NFL Insider Ian Rapoport: Why the Bills Passed on Drafting a WR in 1st Round | The Rich Eisen Show
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- Опубликовано: 25 апр 2024
- NFL Insider Ian Rapoport tells Rich Eisen why the Buffalo Bills traded out of the first round.
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Unpopular take- The KC Buffalo trade helped both teams. They both landed the type of WR they're missing and kind of need. Buffalo may have gotten the better of it due to the 3rd rounder.
yeah cant wait for that 165 lb wr to snap his thin little bones. great trade. worthy was a reach. the bills 3 rd round and 4th round are great picks as well.
@@user-zn7wc1xv1h in that same vein tho, a wr who runs a 4.61 is not usually the best thing to have as a outside option, especially since I’ve been seeing people compare him to Anquan Boldin but Boldin was smaller and moved significantly better especially burst wise
@@JamesB-mi9uu yeah all im saying is coleman is beetter than worthy and legtte so the trade was amazing
@@JamesB-mi9uu true, but keon is only 20 years old and hasn't properly trained at a pro level....
@@JamesB-mi9uu nobody cares about the 40-times. No receiver will ever start his route from a track-start position like you have to do on the 40-run. The start already makes the difference between running a 4.3 or a 4.6. I rather have a 4.6 guy which can run routes, get off press coverage and catch balls than a 4.2 guys which is injured a lot and drops a lot of balls.
Bills found a keeper in Keon Coleman in Round 2. That kid is precocious & could be a special one. He has off the charts intangibles & is low key hilarious. The only reason the 6’4” 215lb Coleman fell was due to his “slow” 4.6 40 time. We saw how smart that line of thinking was when it was applied to Rams receiver Puca Nacua who ran about the same despite being shorter & lighter.
I’m a Giants fan & love our new dog Malik Nabers, but I’m pulling for the Bills Keon Coleman. I hope that kid does well.🙂👍🤘
If the Bills didn’t want him, what do they care if KC takes him? Were they supposed to draft him just so that the Chiefs couldn’t get him? 😂
No, you don’t make the deal to begin with sir…and if you do you absolutely take them for everything they got if they want it so badly. If they say no then fine, you still got the 28th and KC doesn’t get what they want. Not sure how that’s difficult to understand. Looks like Beane is the best GM the Chiefs have ever had.
@@axe2grind244or they know that he would drop to them regardless and decided to get what they could knowing they weren’t gonna take him anyway. They got a 3 down DT out of the deal which they needed so not sure why the Chiefs are deemed automatic winners out of this
You don't even answer KC's calls
@@jcZo23 Haha! I hear you man. But they did get a good deal, no?
@axe2grind244 they would get what they want either way. At worst, a different team would have benefited from it.
There are plenty of WRs on the board that are rated same tier - so wasn’t a bad idea to move down and acquire more assets
They should have stayed at 28 and picked the guy they got at 33.
@@harrymann5523 No they shouldnt have, they got much better positioning everywhere else because of it.
@@Orto4956 But by trading down, they got a very untalented and player.
@@harrymann5523 What are you on about? You think that the player gets worse by not getting drafted first round? Newsflash, the round you get traded has no effect on how good of a player you are.
@@Orto4956 I think he was being facetious.
Good analysis from Rapsheet
Keon Coleman it is
Maybe further down the line people will be pointing out that the Chiefs traded up and didn't take Coleman.
I know, "day after draft" narratives tend to be bold, and, well, .....wrong, lol
Speed doesn’t automatically mean a receiver will succeed. Worthy is even smaller than tyreek. Who knows, dude could become a HOF or a bust.
But right off the bat, defenses have to worry about that speed. Kc also have no deep threat so it’s a great pickup
Yep, 20lbs of muscle smaller. He’s skinny even for non NFL players.
@@dracowuhan7536yea I mean skyy Moore is also REALLY fast how's he doing so far?
Yes, Buffalo traded back twice in the first round. Yes we let the Chiefs take their coveted wr(they could have just traded for the pick after us. We clearly didnt value him in our offense.) There are a couple reasons I really like this draft. First, salary cap limitations. Second, draft capital. Bills were in cap hell after the season. We had to release the soul of our team. It was sad but it had to be done. We still have the heart(Allen). Alot of people saw this draft as way to conservative and underwhelming. I love what Beane did. The difference in pay between last pick in the first round vs 1st pick in the second round is alot more than you would guess.
Beane had the balls to look ridiculous in front of 98% of the sports world because they don't understand his thought process. Since Beane got here in '17 he's been the best gm is franchise history outside of Bill Pollian. Check every draft Beane had had with the Bills. Josh Allen has been the most valuable part of the Bills organization in the 21st century. Beane has been 2nd.
The Bills already picked up a WR in free agency with Samuel, they don't have the room cap wise. In Worthy he's 165lb that metric hasn't worked in the NFL many times, just a handful in the leagues history. Legette was more interesting, seems like the kind of mentality Buffalo loves, not sure there. Who really knows except a few people in the Bills organization. Maybe Buffalo love the kid out of Georgia or Texas.
Bro what. Read a book lmao
Chiefs wanted Worthy to stretch the field so Mahomes can hit Kelsey underneath!
Bills don't use the same strategy.
@@charlie-obrien wait and see.... bills already had a proven fast guy(samuel) who is nearly as fast as worthy but has proven himself in the nfl, and now have one of the best young TEs in the league.... check back in a year
@@donkeybus
You're right.
Just gotta be faster than the coverage.
Offense is taking a step forward this season!
I believe if Buffalo stuck at 28 and picked, they would’ve ended up with Keon Coleman.
They traded back, got a 3rd, and still got their guy. What’s the big deal?
I think Worthy would have fallen to KC, they overpaid.
Agree, agree, and .......agree. Lol. Another apparently solid draft Beane!
We were looking for size, not a dude that weighs 165lbs..... I think Coleman has amazing hands, yes he ran a 4.61 but who cares. Now hes another end zone threat for Allen, .... with Knox, Kincaid, shorter, Hollins and now Coleman. I would say thats pretty darn good, dont forget Shakir and Samuel.
It was a damn good trade. We'll eventually see just how good of a trade . But right now on paper, Bills won that one.
@@KaBaSki714 I dunno, ...we "only" gained a net 90 spots forward in those 2 trades that landed us 5 spots back, and still landed our target WR. Sounds like Beane should be fired, ...out of a cannon onto a pedestal, where we can praise him rightfully, lol
2 things i keep hearing...1 the bills handed mahommes to the Chiefs...that was 7 years ago before Bean was GM.
2 we handed Worthy to the Chiefs...We weren't taking that dude just to take him away from the Chiefs, he didn't fit.
the BILL traded down with the Chiefs so they could get the Patrick Mahomes I always want to thank the bills for everything they have done for KC
Why would the Bills pick someone they didnt want? Just so you cant have him? You really think thats how this whole thing works?
You are welcome. The Bills in return thank you for the picks that let the Bills draft Tre White, Tremaine Edmunds, and Josh Allen. It took Allen a couple years to get up to speed, but Tre and Tre were immediate impacts on defense and helped the Bills get over the hump to win their Division and get to the playoffs in those early Allen years.
Mahomes is great, no doubt, but he wouldn't be the same Mahomes if he was drafted in Buffalo in 2017, with a RB and mediocre TE as his two leading receivers and a mediocre OC calling the plays, behind a line that couldn't block. So I think the 3 for 1 trade really helped both teams.
Yeah I mean it’s not like the Bills traded the pick that KC used to draft Mahomes or anything
Agreed
Bills arent afraid of the Chiefs. Respect, sure, but not trading there would be fear. Bills got draft capital from the Chiefs and they both got probably the same wide recievers they would anyway.
Worthy is a toothpick, I'm sure he will end up being like John Wall, injured all the time, not much production. What I am concerned about with the Bills is that they didn't pick up a second WR earlier in the draft, they had a chance to get 2 good WRs AND could have gotten their S in the next round. Bishop would have been there at 95, they should have double dipped and grabbed a second WR at 60.
I think the bills like Mack Hollins a lot and expect him to get some targets this year
A lot of fans have said the same about double dipping with WR but Buffalo mainly plays 3 wide receiver sets so let's see here: Samuel, Shakir and Coleman, they also have back ups KJ hanker, Andy Isabella, Mack Hollins, Justin shorter and quintez cephus. So where does this extra WR fit in? Historically the bills don't do well when double dipping a position in the draft. 2020 they drafted Gabe Davis and Isiah hodgins. 2021 they drafted DE Rousseau and Basham, OTs Spencer Brown and Tommy Doyle. Seems like the 2nd player always gets no reps and either gets traded or washed up. I'm glad Buffalo filled other needs.
@@joshuaphilbert7995 Almost all the starters or back ups aside from Shakir and Samuel are worse than the options they had to pick up a WR. Trade those bums off.
Bishop was not going to be there. Buffalos d is predicated on good safety and Lb play.
@@TylerLutseo-rp9uu Bishop would have been there in round 3, guaranteed. He wasn't even ranked in the top 10 DBs at the time. He was 19th/20th, roughly.
I’m just glad the Chiefs took a 165 lb mouse again. Would’ve hated to see them get one of the others WR’s.
We’ll have 13 million on June 1st. Plus u can rework their contract and gain some more money.
Coleman will have a better career, he 100% has a better attitude going in.
Remember last time you know it alls went against Beane and he drafted one of the best quarterbacks in the league and you were all stupid?
How can the Bills HELP make the Chefs better by trading with them when NO ONE ELSE between the BIlls and Chefs were going to take Worthy, including the Bills themselves?? The Bills should have drafted Worthy just so the Chefs couldn't have him?
The Bills took an asset from the Chiefs because the Chiefs couldn't be sure the Bills wouldn't take Worthy. The Bills had a choice: 1) Refuse the extra third round pick which they coveted because they had none, or 2) pick someone else at 28 and let KC have Worthy anyway. The obvious choice is: 1) TAKE THE PICK.
The Bills then got MORE value by trading one spot with the Panthers because they did not want Leggette either. People are just begging to me made mad, even when there is nothing to be mad about.
The logic is wrong. In the case of the Chiefs...yes, the Bills should take Worthy (even if it is only to prevent the team that keeps beating them from getting the player they want). It's not like the Bills offense can't use speed either. If the Chiefs keep beating the Bills and winning trades, why would anyone in the Bills organization think that they are on the winning end of the trade?
Mind you, the Bills also traded Diggs and two picks for a second round pick next year. What second round pick (watch, it'll be a late 2nd round pick) will be better than Diggs?
I love the support for Beane, but if the Bills don't make the playoffs or if they lose to the Chiefs again, then what?
@@Ash-ng4mnthe bills have to get better any way they can. They can't worry about what another team is doing they don't control that aspect nor should they lose sleep on it. kC is beating everyone, not just Buffalo🤷. Worthy was NOT their guy, they want an alpha WR, not a one trick pony who's probably the 2nd smallest WR ever.
@@Ash-ng4mn Sorry, but this is absurd. You don’t draft players based on what some rival is trying to do. You have your own board, your own needs and on top of that, the Bills couldn’t even KNOW who they are going to draft. This is not supporting Beane. This is just common sense.
The Chiefs had other options to trade up and didn't want the guy. They thought there was better value on day 2 and now have 3 players that can contribute.
Way I see it, if the Bills don’t trade and draft Keon with their original pick, the the Chiefs probably just pick Worthy with the 32nd or trade to get him with another pick. It seems like the Bills got they guy they wanted, and the Chiefs probably get Worthy anyway
they liked the sweet spot ...on the picks
On the Penix?
On the Penix?
Less money for a second round pick then a first round pick
I think the Bills made the decision based upon THEIR needs and the best fit. I personally dont think Worthy was a great fit for our team ...Coleman is in my opinion. GO BILLS!!!
Go Bills!
I don't understand those who wanted us to trade up, or grab Worthy. I want a speed receiver too, but Keon is plenty fast, way more durable, and we can still address speed later on. Let's not forget that we have Samuel, Shakir and Cook on the roster... Plus, Coleman has everything I hoped we'd get in a receiver, with plenty of ceiling and a good character, his game speed seems under a 4.6, but hey, that's just a bonus...
Bills fan not concerned with any of this. Glad we didn’t follow the raiders model and draft the fastest small guy. Chiefs are not in our division. I don’t assume KC or Buffalo will meet in playoffs. In Beane we trust. Go Bills!
Go Bills!
The Raiders. Fastest (driving) small guy.
I mean, now they can get Cooper DeJean and finally have a good CB tandem. They don’t actually imminently need a receiver, they have Dalton Kincaid.
Yeah and the run game is great right lol
The only thing about dejean is that he had a broken leg.. that’s the only thing about the kid I don’t know what the medical staff is saying about him we shall see what we do!
@@tylerhibbs7086 yeah it is with cook and johnson... was that supposed to be sarcasm?
@@donkeybus barely scraping 1000 yards in a 17 game season with 2 tds is far from great lol and Johnson isn’t even rb2 he’s rb4 lol
@@donkeybus Kyren Williams had more yards and 10 more tds and didn’t play for about 6 weeks lol
Worthy is just fast. He has no great route running ability. We already went down that road when we took Marquise Goodwin. He ran a 4.27. So speed don't equal good skills.
Have you actually watched him play? If you have, you'd know what you just said is absolutely asinine
@@D1ggl3s Yes! I also seen Marquise play. Have you? Same person. Yes they can break one but there is more physical wr's left. We have Curtis Samuel who is an outstanding route runner he also run a 4.31. We have that type of guy already. Washington didn't use him like the Bills will. Be excited bro. We gonna do big things.
@@natanyahubanyahsharal5734 Worthy wasn't drafted by the Bills. Also yes I watched Marquise, My brother competed against him in Track and Field. Great WR, but maybe you should do more research and realize your team didn't draft Worthy
He is talking about samuel.
@@Andy-ui9ur I don't know what he's talking about
They did it all because of the salary and an extra pick.
Let the hysteria begin...It'll play out so everyone can calm TF down and see how it plays out.
Bills should drat that 6'5 reciever that runs 4.3. Csnt trmeber his name but he was projected like 3rd or 4tg round
Devontez Walker, ravens got him.
NFL fans really need to watch college football. Both Xavier picks were strange to a lot of us that love college football. They are both physically gifted, but the skills are really rough. I was thinking both would go mid second round. Honestly they both struggle technically for completely opposite reasons. Worthy cannot handle physicality that well and he hasn’t quite figured out how to overcome his hand size. I know Devonta Smith is undersized, but he seemed pound for pound way stronger than Worthy. Legette seems to just give up on his routs and settle for bullying his way through a contest. Go watch any game where he’s playing a nfl sized CB and you can seem him struggling to get open. I’m still amazed 2 teams traded up for projects.
Worthy is an immediate starter,keep trying to convince yourself
Decent analysis, I was initially hoping we would grab Legette, but after watching a real amount of Coleman game tape, I see why the Bills and Beane (and Josh, lol) landed on him. He is 20 and fairly raw, a freak athlete by all rights, and all the big-time skills are present, or outstanding. His lack of blazing speed is his only real weakness, and his game speed tells me that if he is really a 4.6 guy, then he is a fast 4.6 lol. The more I see of the kid, the less I care about sending Legette over to Bryce Young. Keon is a project in his own right, no doubt, but the kind of project you actually look forward to doing hahaa
@@seanguitarman5594 honestly thought they were going for AD, but overcoming his Type 1 is a real struggle.
@@AAblade7 I guess a lot of teams had AD lower on their boards. He really dropped from just months back
@@seanguitarman5594 he’s got a pretty serious case of Type 1 DB. The kind that honestly needs a pump. Since he’s playing football he can’t have one on the field. So that’s a big issue for mental focus. Was hoping Baltimore could grab him so Mark Andrew’s would mentor him
The bills are in their 28th reset year! 😂😂😂
Trading out was fine but the pick makes no sense. If you wanted a WR why give 2 teams a chance to take your guy. They will say they wanted Coleman but we will never know if that's true.
We know they didn't grade Legette or Worthy higher than Coleman.
They wanted Coleman. Josh expressed that prior to the draft
Adonai Mitchell
0:31 Ian is forgetting that the reason the Chiefs are this good is because the BILLS are the team that traded w/ them so they could get Mahomes so technically they are the reason they got this good lol
What's that have to do with this year's draft?
Beane thought Thomas was gonna fall in his laps …. He was wrong …. Bills should never answer the call when chiefs all them ……. They always get hustled by leach lol
GoBills🦬 on the clock ⌚⏰
Xavier Worthy would have been a great pick for them!
nah, already got samuel do'nt need smaller unproven guy to do the same role
Get Dejean and just take several WR’s later on
i think we should go OL. maybe the center JPJ or something. for me the OL is the most concerning
Beane is an absolute failure!!! Trading with KC for Worthy and giving Houston Diggs is unforgivable!!
No. Diggs brought drama 2yrs in a row and was totally NOT the same productive player last year, good riddance. Why would the Bills want another short, 165lb WR that drops passes? Just because he had a fast 40? Nah, KC can have him and gave up more draft capital.
Coleman is an athletic BEAST has some hands! Only 3 dropped passes last season with 87 targets.
wow you have a crystal ball or something? The bills owned the chiefs on that trade, got the same pick they wanted plus more while kc got the guy they would have gotten anyways..... check back on this comment in 1 year
Bills are basically rebuilding
Hey! We are not. We are simply "restructuring" several key pieces of our organization in a way that will benefit us down the road. Not even close! Lol. 🦬🦬🦬
Ian said well it's not like buffalo made the chiefs good, well they kinda did. Buffalo traded the pick that landed mahomes back in 2017.
Bills fans are still in anguish about the fact that the pick they traded to KC turned into Patrick Mahomes which subsequently has been the near sole roadblock between them and a SB
No one actually cares about that. Everyone in Buffalo would rather have Allen.
Basically what Orto said. I have no problem saying Mahomes is greater than Allen so far in their careers, but I 100% would rather have Allen on my team. Plus the picks KC gave Buffalo let us draft Tre White and Tremaine Edmunds in additional to Allen, so that trade worked out great for us as well. Nice when trades can be mutually beneficial.
What the hell is wrong with you people 🤣🤣🤣r
Rather have Allen over Mahomes
Everyone in the trailerpark that is KC forgets that they care more about Buffalo than Buffalo does about you. Bills live rent free in the head of every casual kc bandwagon on the planet.
@@Orto4956lmfao quit lying to yourself
Coleman will be a bust and I’m a bills fan, he’s slow, not a good route runner… nfl has faster, stronger, more athletic dbs then college, bust written all over it
bro, he's only 20 years old and already an nfl quality athlete, and was playing bball have the time.... give him 2 years
@@donkeybus that’s half the problem I have with Beane, we just going to keep getting Allen no help year after year, before we know the best qb we ever had will be wasted talent , solely on the shoulders of our GM not getting the man any real help
@@donnyfoster1859 I think he is putting together a good roster of weapons with the money available. Yeah the bills came up just short 2/3 the last years and didn't have great weapons, but Beane hasn't failed them. IT took balls to trade diggs but I think it was the right move. Coleman, sameul, kincaid, cook, shakier.... to me this roster is more of a threat than last year. Diggs and Davis weren't delivering when it mattered, coleman has way better upside than davis, the future looks bright to me.
Stupid move by the Bills. Why in the world do you help your biggest opponent?
help them how? the bills basically stole a 3rd round pic from kc and everyone got what they would have gotten anyways
@@donkeybusand saved cap money as being drafted in the 2nd round is a lower rookie pay scale it’s exactly why Beane traded down
@@lesliechow7286 good point I didn't even think of that. Beane is brilliant IMO, people take shots cause he doesn't get every pick right and doesn't control injuries and refs....
@@donkeybus fire McDermott, fire Beane, ,,, that’s what fans are saying when things don’t go perfectly. Those 2 and other built the program that formed the team. Right now the offense is better than what it was last year on paper. Hopefully the transition at center goes smoothly into feel confident they put at least 3 newcomers at Wr that are better than Gabe Davis in Gabe’s best day. They finally have some big guys that can run routes and catch
I don't get why everyone thinks the 9ers will make a move. They're good enough to win the superbowl this year, why not just keep the same team?
The bills stupid move will cost them in a BIG game in the playoffs. New math
What are the lotto ticket number nostrodamus
Bills are in trouble....we need a new GM
Your profile pic is an accurate representation of this hot take
Lmao
....priceless @@hillsonn
Yes... Gooood. Continue to fall apart Bills. Jk, Idc what they do. They're no SB team and it's been proven
I’m sure your very proud yourself for this one. Never seen someone want the downfall of a team that didnt make the playoffs for 15 years prior to this unless they saw said team as a threat to them.
No one wants to play in frozen 🥶 weather in Buffalo 🦬 especially with hero ball 🏈 Josh Allen 😂😂😂😂😂
Doesnt even make sense what you just said.
☝️ -This one is "special."
You know Coleman played in Michigan right? Latitude checks out, lol
@@seanguitarman5594 ☝️out of ✌🏾isn’t bad.😂😂😂😂😂😂🥶🥶🥶 Just watch some recap of hero ball 🏈 Josh panic and became selfish against my Chiefs, which is the reason why your team continue to lose. Remind your QB it’s not about him it’s a team sport.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾
@@jameskellyii4425 Okay, I'll be sure to tell that one to Josh after I get back from golfing with Aaron Rodgers... 😂
The Bills let KC win the draft. That's what happened.
Worthy is not a first round pick. He’s to small, db’s will push him all over. This draft is loaded w/ receivers and history shows that some of the all time greats were certainly not first rounders. Smart move by Buffalo
@@JMC786 too*
There has been only 1 wideout with that type of speed in the 1st round that worked and it was Santana Moss. Hill was a fifth round pick.
@@JMC786I think in years past this may have been the case but the biggest thing for those guys is getting off the line cleanly and with all the motion in offenses now that is almost a non existent issue for these players
What a ridiculously unintelligent thing to say. The Bills drafted the guy they were always going to draft and then got two new picks at earlier times. The Bills outsmarted literally everyone with this move, including you, evidently.