The Reality of Defunding the Police | States of Unrest
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- Опубликовано: 29 окт 2020
- In the wake of the killing of George Floyd, all eyes turned to Minneapolis as the city became the center of the debate over calls for police reform, defunding, and abolishment. VICE makes its way to the city to spend time with residents trying to reimagine the role of the police in their communities.
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This guy doesn't realize that the minute one of his social workers is attacked they will become a defacto police force he just doesn't realize it
As a former social worker, we employ a whole long list of de-escalation tactics but we’re also used to attacks, both emotional and physical. I never even dreamt of using a weapon other than my mind.
@@phoenixfox2697 how do you de-escalate a paranoid schizophrenic that's coming at you with a blade? Do you say pretty please?
@@ohnowhathappend you call police in dangerous situations. Police can escalate violence in other 'routine' situations.
@@aaronfuentes5919 "routine situation" that statement makes no sense at all but believe what you want.
@@ohnowhathappend I don't think you understand how often the police are called on mentally ill people, who are completely non-violent. What ends up happening, is little autistic boys get shot by the police for having a fit, and schizophrenic men get shot for being paranoid, regardless of how unarmed or non violent they are. If you care about our police forces, you should want social workers to take over, because police stations are all ridiculously overworked and unprepared for said work.
Bro having untrained people "patrolling" and responding to threats is a recipe for disaster. What happens when they have to respond to a shooter.
lmao i know. One of those guys actually said he can "de-escalate" the situation even if a violent gang member is packing heat. Yeah RIGHT.
Might know how to handle it better than a “trained” police officer.
@@jelissasmith6971 not at all bro
@@jelissasmith6971 yep, some random dweeb on a bike with a notepad is def gonna be able to de-escalate a potentially violent situation between armed gang members better than a police officer. I'm sure they'll just talk them down lol...right.
@@jelissasmith6971 how much do you know about police officers? do you judge them by a few cases of misconduct?
Crime is up 50%! I live in south Minneapolis. This is my life. You can’t call the cops. The second night of the protest a woman was beat up and thrown out of her car and her car was stolen she had a baby with her and 911 said you gotta deal with it. We need more cops not less. More training.
My sympathy but your own citizens need to get behind the camera and stand up. Need to pull the bs barriers down yourself.
More training = its too soicalist according to conserative
@Tyson Romero more training = more tax money spend
Also conserative always see police and public service as useless, look at their movie about school shooting. Run hide fight back or what ever the name was.
Movie pictured police as they were doing nothing...
I also live in south Minneapolis and I agree that getting rid of the police is a very bad idea. Last summer crime was insanely high. You could hear loud explosions from homemade bombs, gunfire. Cars were being stolen in the middle of day the with dogs or children in the back like it was grand theft auto. It’s easy to say abolish the police until the time comes that you need them. IMO I think they need more funding for proper training and they need to restructure a few things. Civilians on bicycles won’t stop a violent crime. America is in major danger if we continue down a path of trying to get rid of the police.
@@fbyi2940 you do realize that was just a shitty movie by Ben shapiro about the 2nd ammendment, right?
I grew up in London. I've had friends get robbed at knife point for just sitting in a park. There is no, "let's walk up and talk to them." Just looking at these people the wrong way will get you in the gutter.
You mean kangz?
Exactly! Guarantee no one who has had a knife pulled on them wants to defund the police
@@HugeStirz someone pulls a knife on you, what are the police supposed to do? "oh yeah, hold up, don't stab me until the police get here" i work as a bouncer, i've been threatened dozens of times twice with a knife. the number of times the cops helped has been zero. the best thing the nypd could do to stop crime is take that $475000000 they're wasting on overtime and give every homeless person $2k and a free apartment. don't defund the police, get rid of them.
@@blackmasknyc2478 LOL give them free homes he says anyone with a brain that functions properly knows that will never work many dont want a home its been tried and it doesnt work if you really think that getting rid of the police is a good thing i wish you all the well in your no mans land country!
It was bold of Vice to keep the comment section open.
Haha
They stopped giving a f a long time ago lolol
@@armyofautistics nah they still close the comments on trans videos lol
They like to stir the pot. You will never see the impartial sort of journalism that people deserve on Vice.
There was just a rash of gang shootings in my neighborhood and no national attention. Lol!
So Brave.
Imagine hopping on discord instead of calling 911.
Imagine owning a gun instead of requiring your nanny state to come protect you 🤣
Imagine calling the police because someone is being noisy - and then the police shooting them dead because of your call
Imagine wearing a mask even if you don’t need it; like carrying a gun even if you don’t need it.
@@matamorosa Imagine police arriving at your pad and telling you to telling you to turn your music down and then getting pissed and getting a weapon.
@@Manny-ok7fv imagine wearing a condom if you don't need it :D ;) like a gun even if you don't need it :D lol
So now we’re going from barely trained police to not trained at all
It's better tho because they are strengthening the social connections or whatever. /S
Seriously tho it's funny because soon enough they will start doing the same training as cops have to do. It's inevitable that at some point someone's gonna die for no reason. Then it's gonna get real for them.
Or better yet people arming themselves and making it EVEN WORSE.
Imagine getting off your shift at Starbucks and hopping on the old Schwin, ready to respond to a strong armed robbery with your skinny jeans and Discord dispatch.
I am sadly more for that if they semi arm themselves than a 300 lb dude who once within the last 8 years passed a 75% accuracy test at 50 feet within a perfectly windless environment armed to the teeth and who probably scored bottom 30 percent in his school at everything, which is why he got stuck with choosing to be a cop. Or he likes to powertrip, those are your only two real options statistically, getting a full length career pensioned clean cop is less likely than getting shot by a shitty one even if you're white. Just saying 🙂
I actually work at Starbucks and am training to be a cop😭 I also live in a more rural area. I totally get what you mean tho lots of those types too..
Right? Lol dude thinks he’s so good at talking he thinks he can talk down gang violence with his voice only lol
@@dennythedude2070 i dont understand why "better cops" isnt an option for you all. remember, the rich will always have armed security and protection. it will be the poor who suffer the most from not having police.
@@kingjoe3rd the rich aren't gonna stay rich when the miners aren't giving them what they mine and the oil refinery is powered by employees not a rich fool
Here’s a novel idea.....instead of defunding, abolishing, reimagining etc.....how about we just hold the bad cops accountable?
All cops are bad because the system they operate in is bad.
@@dragonslayer6401 no, you aren’t a bad person because you lived in Nazi germany, you are bad because you were a nazi
@@nolanowens4780 no, you are bad because you didn’t actively fight the nazis. Doing nothing is helping.
Here's an idea: When cops go to the right house on the warrant and do their job correctly like with Breonna Taylor. They literally did everything exactly how they were told and you call them murderers.
because that doesn't prevent more black people from dying does it
Lol seriously violent crime is way up and some hipster in a vest thinks he's helping
nah man you're just ignorant he's gonna strengthen the social fabric ;) ;)
"Do you need help? I can't do anything about it, but I'll show up on my bike"
Lol 😂
The bike man is gonna stop a gang with some 45's lol geeeezzzz. Dudes gonna get hurt.
Is ok. No worries. The criminals. Are just. Waiting. And celebrating.
Man with an automatic rifle literally shooting everybody in the neighborhood.
Neighbours: "we ain't calling the cops, let's try to talk to him"
Sure the social worker will have a great time with him😂😂😂
Man highly unlikely to have fully automatic rifle!
If he was reasonable enough to hear them out and stop, he wouldn’t have been shooting up the block in the first place! 🤣🤣
Bruh like half the people they interviewed said they would still need some form of police for that, it shocks me how far off you people land watching the same video I just watched.
@@cowboythomas5904 the FASCIST LEFT are completely okay with illegally purchased and black market guns in the hands of criminals so it is VERY LIKELY
Hey vice ride around with a cop for a week in some of these cities. Tell me your experiences.
Why would anyone want to see the police as human? You're probably one of those "Golden Rule" type of guys.
the reporter didnt survive for a day
@@sixteennumberthree5544 a police officer is a human??
@@jackpanozzo6004 get out of town!
Someone made a book for the car glove compartment titled "Police Stops Notebook" that helps people to protect their rights for court etc. Has really good questions and gives power back to the people. Share it! It's on amazon. Every car should have one.
Why is it called “Defund” and not “Reform”?
Because with Reform you don't take funds away from a system. Defunding is just that 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
@@hinchman101 the country is not for backwards people to decide. Mexico has a ceremonial police and that is not the answer
There is a massive messaging problem with BLM that is preventing ppl from getting on board and making it really hard to defend positions that you constantly have to explain over and over.
Defund and reform are two different things thats why
I think the question was why defund? Why not just reform?
This looks like a city from fallout
America is just a game of GTA SA.
You got the unlimited weapons, the looting, fires, the Crocked cops.
Watching this from Australia is baffling.
@@foxtailedcritter I’m from America and I’ll be very surprised if there isn’t a civil war after this election.
I live here, it's nothing like fallout mate. Just a city thats unified more than ever.
Chaos cheatcode irl
7 hours ago Can I pay you to make me a logo?
Defunding the Police is possibly the most ignorant things we have yet to see in 2020
Did they say *ABOLISH* the pigs? Local PDs have too MUCH money; they need an immediate withdrawal.
@@moret25 seeing as a lot of police departments in the USA don't even have enough money to issue tasers to all of their officers, what do you think they're gonna do when they can't afford to give ANY of their officers less-lethal weapons? They definitely don't have "too MUCH money"
@@moret25 interesting you say that considering now all these liberal cities are having to increase police budgets after crime skyrocketed over the past year.
@@cameronmehrdad5145 You don't handle crime with over policing, every time an area is over policed they never actually reduce the crime. The best way is to get these neighborhoods over the poverty line at least among other things
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undark.org/2016/05/16/deterrence-punishments-dont-reduce-crime/
@@firefocusphotography Actually alot of money gets funneled to police unionsist lobbyist that pay themselves hundreds of thousands dollars as well as getting mass benefits from the government. I keep telling people government is always inefficient once you privatize police you will start to see more accountability, better managing of funds, and better citizen, police encounters.
reason.com/2015/07/21/san-franciscos-private-police/
“We respond to gun shots and interfere with police investigations and do more harm before paramedics arrive”
They're literally behaving as a mobile eyewitness. This type of volunteer local dispatch is absolutely critical to maintaining a strong community.
We can't just throw tax dollars and guns at the police department and expect this to go awaym
@@conlinbryant5037 The community has its own obligation to maintain it's strength. What they are doing ... its community watch. And it was an effective method until people started to get lazy. So it stopped and the cops had to fill that roll. Defunding the police has nothing to do with the community empowering the community. And like everyone interviewed said ... you dont' have to call the cops for everything, something they have been abusing previously. So yes what they are doing is good for the community. Cos you know the people in your own community. But it has NOTHING to do with defunding the cops. You just need people to stop being lazy and do a bit more. That is all. Agree with your last statement ... you cant expect things to go away without making changes. The change is not with the police but with the community. They started the community watch program again. And it will work to a certain degree. But they need to work with the police not against them to get the crime rates down again. Know when and how to call them, by talking to them, not just doing things separately. And you will see the results in no time. Crimes rates are up cos they refuse to call the cops at all right now. If i were the criminals, i'd go on a crime spree now with a gun. Nothing those people can do to stop me.
@Tyson Romero that's an F for English comprehension. Please report to the afternoon English Teacher for remedial learning. Thanks
"We can deal with these hard core gang members and people like that walking around with guns. we can talk to them and de-escalate it". Lmao, ok then...
For real.
They're talking about sending social workers to help people in mental health crises or dealing with other forms of stress/trauma. The idea of sending cops to deal with things like autistic meltdowns is just as crazy as what you're proposing, but it's actually happening all over the country right now. A 13-year-old boy was shot & almost killed in his own home by police recently during an autistic freakout. He wasn't armed with a gun, knife or anything else. There are hundreds of similar stories that prove this way is not working.
@@MsNooneinparticular you understand when someone is mentally unstable they are more likely to become violent. idk if youve seen the stereotypical social worker but they are not the type of people to deescalate it. nor are they equipped for when people having a mental attack decide they dont want to "talk" and most the time they dont
Let’s be honest, when do we see the police break out their military surplus gear outside of a black protest ???
@@Tr3yification when there are large crowds. Why would I bring riot gear where there is no chance of riot? Also I see more white people than black people at these riots, liberals giving the black community a bad name as usual.
How will Defunding the police stop Police Brutality?...will crime go down?... Will inner cities be more safe without the police. None of these Questions were never answered
@MexicanTacos 07 what you mean so many black lives were lost in the riots thats just not true
Let them kill each other lol
defunding the police limits the amount of training that police get soooooo
@Jurassic Pork but no police means crime goes up and then people relies that they have to protect people so they make privet security for all thus making the police
@@jakethsnaake8768 www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/18/fact-check-more-black-people-killed-police-than-floyd-protests/5323116002/ this isn't near the amount of black people killed. This source is bias. There are a lot more and more than the unarmed black men killed in 2019. Unarmed means no gun, not no threat
George Floyd square looks like a street in a post apocalyptic dystopian city in a dying civilisation
Daniel Moncaster thats the American dream
“This is my neighborhood”, one of the poor communities in Minneapolis, vs wearing a $500 Canada Goose vest.
powderhorn aint that bad of a place to be
And? Are you one of those people that think folks shouldn't save up for nice things based on where they live? Weirdo
@@sarah2172 500$ for vest that's too much .here 1 vest cost under 2$
@@sarah2172 no Sarah, it's calling prioritizing kids, family, shelter and food over spending money you can I'll afford on crap like Gucci and Armani !
It's really cold in Minneapolis...maybe it makes sense to invest in something very warm? I dunno why else you would spend that much on a vest if you claim to be poor.
Six ad breaks in twenty minutes? C'mon, man
if you don't watch the ads, you ain't black
@@Graymenn hahaha wtf
@@Graymenn lmaoooo
Joe biden that you?
Using a free platform, which provides you endless content. But complains about ads?
Vice did a report a couple years ago about the impact that reducing the funding of Police department in Detroit;had lead to the rise of private security. They should do a update on that issue🤷♂️
Iv seen it here in Indianapolis the police can’t handle the crime rate so you see many businesses just hire private security
Well we have private military companies so why not private police (THIS IS SARCASM)
We already have the hospitals and insurance privatized let’s not privatize the police too.
Not part of the narrative tho lol
@@themanwithallthewrongopini3551 😂Sounds good. Only the rich get healthcare, now only the rich get actual police protection.
Next, maybe we'll start erecting castles and fiefdoms, where the lord lays down the law because he can hire strong men (aka knights) to 'protect' his kingdom.
Man, I like your sense of humor. Keep 'em coming!
Just a few days ago I heard Minneapolis wants to hire cops from other municipalities to cover the call volume from citizens, good luck mofos.
Not surprised.
They defund the police.
Criminals be like: Now is my time to shine.
Oh nooooo... people are able to sell plants without getting attacked and people are able to buy guns that would normally be illegal to defend there communities...
@@haydenbob5974 Oh noooo... my friend just got shot 20 times by a rival gang and his body was dragged through the streets and now his body rots there because no one wants to pick it up...
@@themanwithallthewrongopini3551 Shouldn't have been in a gang then
@@johndoe3788 That’s not the point. Who is going to stop the violent crimes? No civilians are going to get near the same training or funding as police do. Hayden thinks all criminals are just there for pot and get guns to protect themselves. There are real violent and dangerous people in every community. I don’t care whether you got a gun or not. Police are always going to be better than a “militia” on bikes.
@@themanwithallthewrongopini3551 Nope. Police need to be defunded
Defunding the police doesn't bring police accountability.
ruclips.net/video/ay3tsUjTkyw/видео.html
Or better policing.
Criminals: stonks
It's not so much about getting those individuals to be held accountable. It's more about fundamentally changing things so those types of things stop. In other words, its not about revenge, it's about justice
@@DZ-hh5dw OK so who enforces Justice if there's no police
Help!!! Im getting robbed by armed gunman
*couple dweebs on a bike* we got this fam
lol
next evening news: 3 people have been robed by one armed gunman!
You can meme all you want they been dealing with it since March and they still alive without guns so idk wym
Mumen Rider
the assailants will be gone by the time the police respond and the crime will not be investigated....
The solution to all this is Robocop
judge dredd
Ahahaha
The funny thing is a lot of people in the comments are calling for just that. "Just keep increasing the budget, the size of the guns, the amount of cops, don't do anything to change society. Let it go to hell, let the poors create bigger gangs, the only solution is more power and harsher sentences. No prevention, just strap some cyber technology to officer Doofy and stop making him wear a body cam". We have the dystopia, all we need now is the technology.
hopefully he will be allowed to be as violent as he was in the movies.
The exact opposite needs to happen. Police need to be paid MORE so that the selection process becomes tougher, which means they'll get better cops overall. With the pay being as low as it is, police forces have had to routinely lower requirements which police departments far less choosy about who becomes a cop.
Black lady says everyone chips in and the vice reporter asks how she chips in and she says “I protest and I’m black”
It's a fucking joke right
so useful
"I contribute by just being myself"
Skin color is currency these days
Only thing they are good for anyway. And when they don't work cos they standing around all day ... they demand money. And when that small amount isn't enough, they protest more. No need to work but expect money.
My guy for real just started his own “Knights of the Night”
Like in the Office with Dwight
Dudes a hero. I’m not that brave. I don’t agree with defunding but props man. Hope dwights safe.
Let’s get our training in: who’s down for some flashlight tag?
George Floyd was faded he wasn’t killed by faulty training he was killed by his actions of taking two drugs that put him at risk of overdosing even the autopsy showed that drugs killed him the officers body cam showed he was on drugs and what led up to his death the officer didn’t even place him on the ground he put himself there. The cops training was to put his knee on peoples neck he was taught this and people tried to deny it. When the autopsy was performed they tried to prove that the knee on his neck caused his death wish isn’t true. I definitely think the cop should have called an ambulance to check that he was alright. People just choose to listen when it fits their narrative.
Yes
I always wanted the bagger at my grocery store to be responsible for the life and safety of my family!
Better than what we have now. Suburban cops get paid by a city they don’t live in to police people that aren’t their neighbors. Literally taking money out of the town and they have no reason to protect the area they work in cause they aren’t from there
@@farty555 You really think that's better? If you really did then why don't you join the force and be the change you want to see instead of depending on someone else to do it for you?
Good luck in 5 years when no one has jobs cause businesses sure as hell aren’t opening up shop there any time soon.
Maybe they should do some proper police reform then instead of just putting their hands over their ears
@@user-rt8sh7xt1d or maybe the citizens should recognize that police aren’t the problem. That small insignificant in percentage acts of violence against people are not an excuse to uprise against the government. You act as if it’s the police, that’s the problem. People hate police for fun. It’s a fad. You are prime example of that.
That’s what these idiots don’t understand. Dumbass liberals will say “InSuRaNcE” without understanding that the insurance rates will skyrocket due to all of these claims, leading very few businesses able to continue their work in the area. Businesses and families will leave in droves, and the area will become poorer with fewer opportunities for upward social mobility. If these idiots could just think about the consequences for 5 seconds they would benefit greatly
@@georgep9993 There's still a lot of things that need to change in policing. Qualified immunity needs to change, officers need to be held accountable for their actions and they need WAY more training in conflict resolution and de-escalation tactics that don't involve threatening the citizen into submission. American policing literally makes no sense, it's excessively violent and is devoid of any communication.
I always think back to the murder of Daniel Shaver, who feared for his life and was literally begging to not be shot. The officer was very aggressive, and wasn't willing to communicate. Citizens aren't animals, citizens are human beings. And these officers aren't being taught how to interact with fellow human beings at all.
@@georgep9993 it’s not only about the violence it’s also the way they treat us and the policy’s they have and use against us everyday
Damn they really turned that neighborhood into South Africa....
South Africa's WAYY nicer than that. Has some of the most modern, beautiful cities in the world. JS.
This here is the problem people make racists comments and then they don’t want to be called racist.
I can tell who hasn’t even googled South Africa. Lmao 😂
@@maddie9185 which comment is racist?? I feel like your just itching to call someone racist for no reason, other than to make yourself feel better
yoh I live in south africa and a lot of inner cities look way worse than this.
In my 29 years I have never once felt in danger with the police, no I'm not rich or privileged. I grew up poor, my parents worked hard. And now so am I. I live a comfortable life. I drive for a living and have been pulled over more than most. Never had a bad experience with any officer across the nation.
I go for evening walks regularly in my neighborhood (which is middle class and upper-middle class) and have been harassed, detained, and followed numerous times by cops.
@@protestadventures
Wear something bright, wired earbuds or a device. That seemed to work alot with me. Hell I even said Hello to them and talked about life outside of jobs
This is exactly like when my friends and I were kids and would fight against imaginary enemies.
This comment section gunna be saltier than the dead sea in about an hour
Why is that?
😂💀
We on the salt lake now boy
@Apeman Commeth "comment failed to post"
🤔Welp🤷🏽
Im for defunding the police. Put the power with private security only rich people like me can afford!
#constitutionalcarry
MAKE OPEN CARRY GREAT AGAIN!
Hey, if you're all for untrained Paul Blarts to help you sleep at night then god bless ya
If you defund the police, call to order food and call the police, one of them will get there first and he doesn’t have a badge
Imagine if everyone just behaved themselves...
On the night of the rioting I was there. The conflagration which I witnessed burned a scent in the air, and the flames had warmed the chilly night.
Many neighbors came out to watch the blaze, ohblivious to the fact that people walking back and forth carried valuables from the ransacked mini-marts.
In the fray of the chaos I and the crowd looting behind me was approached by a lady wearing a BLM shirt. She said "Hurry everyone we need more people in the frontlines. We are being outnumbered by the cops!". To her surprise no one cared. Everyone went back to looting.
Many small businesses and large alike were vandalized, hurted financially, and will never be the same.
On the night of a fallen community I was there, the thoughtless looting will forever leave a scent in the air, the nights will be colder for family owned businesses here.
Great Larpinig novel intro
Dude let’s do it. It’ll be like the Wild West again. Meet me at the Saloon at noon.
wild west had sheriffs
My city defunded police 10 years ago, the only thing it accomplished was getting rid of the corruption in the department. The basically defunded the department and rehired a new police force.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Wild west bounty system would be cool
In Minneapolis, the saloon is a gay bar.
9:10 she sounds delusional. She just got used to people committing crimes in front of her eyes. “I guess we don’t need police because crime is legal now” 😂
i wouldnt want police around either if i was doing shady stuff too
She was scared of speaking out directly because she didn't want her house firebombed. How else do you explain her, "there's lots more crime now but I'm ok with it" attitude. She knows what's up in Lil Fallujah...I mean Minneapolis.
@Aldridge Gonzales dude thats not the case in anyway. I can't discount your personal experience with cops but you can't discount mine or others. It rly depends on the individual officer, don't assume all cops are bad cuz thats just fighting fire with fire. Make peace, not division. People love conflict, and people love to hate... don't be another pawn who hates just because someone wronged you or someone else. Try to rise above it, and be the better person.
@Brian Thomas lol maybe. I dont think legalizing murder would make it decrease... ask literally any 3rd world country.
She's saying the police aren't needed for most of that, obviously. Police are not the appropriate response to homelessness.... seems like common sense.
Defund police movement be like: "Idk how, but we still don't know how to control violent crime. I wonder why?" Like DUH, there will be more crime when there is no police
I really wish the police would resign in solidarity and move where law and order and accountability is valued. Please give Minneapolis what they are asking for.
Yes. Don't police the woke areas at all. Let them burn themselves out. F them.
Instead of Defund, how about ASSIST the Police?
Community Policing can handle non violent crime. Where there’s a will there’s a way.
That's too rational a solution for these extremists...
I understand what you’re saying but there’s violence that can happen in all crime, where there’s a will there’s a way
Good idea! Also, we must end the war on drugs, and racial profiling.
i wish everyone that wants social workers and healthcare professionals to take over certain roles would acknowledge that theres a chance that that professional might die or get seriously injured. i get the feeling that they think someone having a mental breakdown can always be reasoned with 100%.
@@jkteddy77 cause that would be logical... alot of people wouldn't have the common sense to see it that way. but that makes perfect sense.
No one ever said social workers and healthcare workers should respond ALONE to calls of distress. Even the people interviewed say they should respond alongside with police officers.
@@jkteddy77 They love to act like nurses and social workers aren't already dealing with these people nonviolently on a regular basis...
also they would need more funding for police. the police in my city can't even afford tasers. adding social workers to the mix would require a lot of funding. On the other hand the rich suburbs with little crime were overfunded and had to ask my friend to park their extra squad cars near their house. The places that are poor with the most crime don't get nearly enough funding so defunding the police could be a disaster. The way America works with schools and police and public services is that a lot of the funding comes from local taxes mainly property taxes for the local town so rich towns have good services and schools. Cities based on how they are so condensed and have poorer citizens get less funding so they get bad schools and public services. Its the same for funding in extremely rural areas. They have no money from housing so the schools and police force are underfunded as well. Defund the police is not the right approach for poor areas if we want to add social workers. We could easily defund the police in rich neighborhoods with no repercussions, but the money will just go to wealthy households in the form of tax cuts if not administered properly. If they get fearful they will just get private policing instead.
@@H3LLS4NG3L So then what's the difference? If the social worker says, okay cops go ahead and take him in so we can treat him in a hospital, and the person still resists the officers once they move in, or pulls a knife on them, its still gonna lead to the same result where a fight ensues and it can escalate to deadly force.
"this was a hopeful time" as he describes the burning police station and looting .
I want to see what the patrol safety guy is gonna do when a neighborhood pit meets that great Dane walking around.
I live in the kings field/powderhorn neighborhood. People still call the police. Especially with the all homeless who have moved in. This story is bs.
I am in Field, this story is so not an accurate representation of the city as a whole. Not even close. Disappointed in this one by Vice.
I guess you are in the minority. It's expected that not everyone agrees, and that is stated many times in this piece.
@@katblue1460 no one is ever excited to call for help. But a nerd with a walki talki isn’t going to talk down a domestic dispute or handle potentially violent situations. I get the need for police reform, but this is a pathetic representation. It feels more like an interview with a couple of vice buddies in south mns more than something I’m going to take seriously. I’m not in the minority, people are laughing at this.
Kat Blue you are completely ignorant to any aspect of reality and it shows by your words. It’s asinine to think you know more than people living where something is transpiring. You should be ashamed of yourself as an adult to have an opinion like that. Goes to show how many people are truly uneducated in this country and it’s sickening.
It's almost like VICE is brainwashing trying to make us into sheep
So they're replacing the police with a police force
And with even less trained individuals....its a genius idea if you really think about it
With a volunteer police force
@@laurenlopresti6191 LMFAO its a joke
Least the untrained guys won't shoot my pet dog or plant drugs on me unlike Baltimore PD.
@@foxtailedcritter yes all police think the same those damn devils! When could the possibilty of a untrained barely accountable group of randos do bad things? Impossible!
I hate the “private security argument” I’ve been poor most of my life, and here’s what will happen, poor people won’t have cops, and rich people will. And so poor people will be robbed, raped, you name it, constantly.
10:37
"are u in favour in favour of abolishing the police?"
“yes, but there have to be plans for how to deal with violent crime”
ok, like uhhhhh... the police maybe? 🤔🤔🤔
lmao exactly
lol. Love how they believe criminal organizations are stupid and won't take advantage of this movement.
The same people who cry defund the police are the same ones to call them for any little thing.
Exactly bro
Incorrect
Lol no nice try
@@Hoopergames correct
@@Hoopergames 100% correct.
Lol all this over a damn criminal...this is a joke... let them have that pos city. .
will turn into detroit
"They don't respond to our calls"
Well you did burn down the police station. So...
If anything, we need to give MORE funds to the police. We need a police force whether we like it or not and defunding them, isn’t going to help. With more funds there could be more and better training, which could’ve avoided tragic situations like George Floyd it the first place.
big fax.
EXACTLY
Nolan I agree with your point the issue we have at least in Minneapolis is police wise is common sense no amount of training can bring that. You right now if you were on george call wouldn't have done what the cops did and your not even cop. That seems to be the issue.
You need to actually train your police. US police are a joke.
@@Valkatron would if they had the funds
I appreciate what they are doing, but if I lived in the community, I couldn't commit to patrolling. That's just not something I'm interested in doing. I also wouldn't feel comfortable with somebody completely unregistered responding to incidents. Bad guys join the patrols, then you're back to where you began, possibly worse. I'm for change, but I'd support another way
You might not want to be the one patrolling the street of your neighborhood but there definitely are people who feel that call to help their community in that way. People who already have the training and people who are wanting to gain that experience in order to help. You seem to have a call for a different type of community service. It all appears to be needed to help change our communities at large. It doesn’t seem like a bad idea altogether.
@@smalltittycowgirl We have a name for people like that in England... Police
SublimeSparo haha you beat me to it!
Community Led would work if maybe there was a little regulation to ensure some basics training: like CPR Certified, how to handle gunshot wounds etc.
@@odst2247 thats literally just called a public service aka police/ambulance/firefighter lol. Just ensure officers get better education/training before joining. Your country allows anyone who graduated highschool to join the force... literally anyone can graduate nowadays so that doesn't say much :( maybe have stricter bars to reach inorder to become an officer.
11:45 listen to them describe their police work. These guys are just making things worse.
Patrolling in bikes and walking during snowstorm... can’t wait to see it 😆
I left Minneapolis in 2015. It was going downhill fast and will only continue. Amazing to see the things happen in Minneapolis that happens to every other city run by that same belief system. A lot of serious mental health issues have overrun the people moving to Minneapolis also. God help that former great city from the blatant destruction of the belief system within.
Yeh it’s not like the poorest states are ran by conservatives and republicans
I grew up in Mpls when we had a general surplus of funds and they were most definitely allocated towards social programs. The fact that those programs have waned in the last decade or so is a big part of the problem. They should have listened when we were marching for the boys and girls club to keep the pool. Macro/micro. Also...police harrassment was always a thing here. I was a 14 y/o girl with a job, heavily involved in school and community activities and parents that like me and I was accused of being a drug dealer.
The mental illness is psychosis from drug use. We need to stop pretending the mental illness and drug issue aren't connected.
We wuz kangz
@@lponm We need to stop pretned what you said isnt laughably-wrong.
Its debunked by 'Some More News'.
Defunding police will only hurt the people its trying to help
This isn’t what defund the police means 🤣 they painted this image so wrong.
It’s a phase , they’ll beg them back
then you misunderstand the concept
and who do you think the police are "trying to help"?
And doing nothing will change things...tf outta here😂😂
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. All lives matter
If you want to affect change within a system, get yourself involved with it. You want to carry some of the weight, talk to your local PDs, your local governments, there are pathways to get into policing with scholarships to pay for schooling and training, you just gotta be willing to ask.
Not so simple! You're being quite disingenuous with ur assertion of how easy it is to be a part of a law enforcement agency. Individuals must get thru the training process, providing they can clear a background check. A misdemeanor of perjury alone or act of dishonesty will automatically disqualify you even if the record has been expunged!
I’m be back when the comments marinate
Horrible like expected
Ha!
Lol
@MexicanTacos 07 ooood dad o s ddd
@@IndicatedGoodLife [9o
Patrolling using Discord, thats nice
I cant see any issues coming up from that. Whats thier discord btw?
lmao
Lmfaooo yep someone is getting robbed at gunpoint help come to the rescue Dead*
I thought it would be a different app but it was discord
Why not double it by using reddit aswell.
Just let these people handle themselves. Don’t send police. It’s what they want so let them have it
I took criminal justice classes in college, and in one for our final project we had to build a police department for a town given a population and budget. And we had to include EVERYTHING. Every single cost associated. By far and away the most expensive thing is the people. Paying the salaries. This also makes training very expensive because you have to pay the people doing the training and the people being trained. Reformation starts and ends with training. Bottom line. Defunding the police will literally take you further away from your goal. Trust me I am all for reform and I think it’s needed very very badly, but defunding is not the answer. I understand the calls to implement more social programs to help with addiction and domestic violence so that the police don’t have such a heavy burden, and in that way they can be defunded, ONCE THOSE PROGRAMS ARE IN PLACE. It will take years to get them in place. The wheels of government practically turn backwards it’s so slow so in the meantime the best solution is more training. Making better cops. And that costs money.
Leftists don't have the common sense to see that better police training requires money. They think that cutting their budget will magically create better cops. The lunacy of the left is astonishing lol.
How about these people put their vests on and ride around the projects on their bikes instead of their cushy neighborhoods. I bet they’d change their minds real quick.
Some crackhead would stab them with a broken beer bottle
Hood hopping isn't what time it is.
They are riding around the projects you moron. How about you watch the video.
@@mswen1983 chicago and new york
@@mswen1983 no they aren’t, that’s powderhorn neighborhood. Not projects by a long shot. Only reason it looks that way is the homeless encampment that was ok’d by city council after they kicked out homeless from vacant hotel.
Defunding or even getting rid of the police would make things worse I mean like the lady said she saw so much going on in a month than majority of her time living there and eventually had to call the police, now let’s remove the police completely and it’ll never stop until everything is burned down or nothing of value is there
Yeah just remove police
@@dodgedemonsrtx no don’t remove police.. who would you call to help you if someone know was shot or killed, all police can’t be blamed for the bad ones
She was a fucking coward of no moral principles. Truly believing in something to that extent should mean you are willing to die for your beliefs, and she just wasn't.
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@@garfe5555 I DON'T WANT SOME KIND OF LAWSUIT FOR SLANDY SO I USE DIFFERENT PRONOUCIATION. SORRY I OFFENDED U
Also how are you “preventing” crime and violence but literally earlier in the video gun violence was increased by 300%?
I am from the future and I can tell you this is going to be a disaster.
@to themoon when tf did he said "tough on crime?"
Minneapolis is going to become the new Detroit in 5 years time !
Defunding the police is a euphemism for saying we all want to be vigilantes
Is the guy @ 7:15 serious? The criminals are in stolen cars flyin down lake street. A dude that’s willing to rob somebody and steal their car is going to be like “oh no, these people on bikes are after me!” Bruh.
The semantics shouldn’t be tricky. It should be fixed by being literal. That’s just one step tho. But it’s very clear how the policing system needs to be updated. But...Abolishing police? Nah. The military is funded with the idea to protect the country from outside terror. The police is funded with the idea to protect the country from inner terror. Just reorganize the training, the evaluations, the roles and the repercussions.
I truly don’t think we should abolish the police that’s stupid but the amount of money is put into the police compared to other things in the community is so uneven and also the whole system just needs to update and is blacks should hold eachother accountable when we are wrong 🤷🏽
MoodyHD yes thank you for providing a logical argument, ppl are too quick with their emotions and that is a big problem
@@andrewlam4890 I mean it’s really simple when the before the war on drugs gangs were stable they had a leader and all but once the police started locking up the leaders everybody wanted to be the big dog instead of getting outta the gang/game it’s time they grow up I have seen some lowdown cops but we also have to hold are self accountable
I disagree. “defunding” the police is just one crucial aspect of reform that has to happen.
@@Fabi_87 Again i disagree, “defunding” them is the answer. This is an issue that “retraining” isn’t going to fix.
It will always get out of hand. When you're dealing with people who have no respect for other people, eventually you'll need the police.
The nature of crime has changed so much.
I just don’t understand why the murder rate and crime statistics are literally through the roof 12 months after this.
“Mr. Simpson, how do you respond to the charge that petty vandalism such as graffiti is down 80% while heavy sack beatings are up a shocking 900%?”
graffitti is alive and well on the west coast tho.. Covid had all the bombers out spraying all night
Oh people can come up with statistics for anything, Kent. Forfteen percent of all people know that.
I’m glad they are doing this. Now people are understanding how chaotic and difficult it is to police. This creates a great joint effort by the community and the police.
Thats what everybody wants only a few dipshits want anarchy
until one of the bicycle boys gets shot and the police would be shat on and told they didnt do their job
Well said 👏👌
And here we are 18 months later , I'm curious who polices this area now ... the police again or the collective and is there still a no go FLoyd Free State ? DOES ANYBODY KNOW ?
The police the reason it's chaotic
“I didn’t need to call the police to come..but then it got out of hand and the police needed to come…”
“the police respond to violence... they don’t prevent it.”
No
They do prevent it. There have been tons of studies showing that increased police presence leads to lower crime because criminals decrease criminal behavior when their likelihood of being caught goes up
9:18 that's a 3rd world country
i live in 3rd world country and i can confirm that kind of situation happens often here
lol
Do they honestly think they are going to be able to keep this up for a long period of time? For free?
That’s a key point. Who, really wants to give up their free time, to patrol the neighbourhood? Especially once the cameras and media attention leaves.
@@davidhey7017 I think they really care for their community and are willing to risk that for a better future
“Egalitarian leadership”
*zips up canada goose bodywarmer*
Don’t know why people need to know this but here’s a equation, Less police and less police funding = More crime.
looks like a dump.
8 mins in and im already giving up on any logic being here
3mins lol
😆
1 mins
same
This is...cringy at best. I can't believe this is reality. That people can be this delusional so many at once...God help us. U need the police. Don't let innocent people suffer because of the stupid peoples decisions.
Two and half years later and these Defund Police clowns are now quiet.
What are these people patrolling going to do when someone tries to kill them? Just let them do it!?
Worked for the social worker in Seattle
Why would someone try to kill them? Also, how do you know they don’t have guns? There are no police in the area, it’s open season when it comes to concealed carry.
So you're willing to live in a society where people just carry guns with no repercussions of using them on each other? Is this the wild west?
@@haydenbob5974 if they are gonna have guns why not just have the cops come?
"We use an app, called Discord"
Laughed because it made me noticed now that Discord isn't just used mostly with gamers or gaming communities now. Its interesting.
Discord and baofeng radios without a license👌
Probably 95% of discord servers are gaming related. Your statement is incorrect
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'Round 2021 I was with a youth program that basically took Seattle teens to Guatemala for a few weeks to do volunteer stuff likenminor construction and clearing out small trees and foliage from the coffee plantation of one of the program leader's families. I was talking with a lot of kids who participated in these protests, sometimes without the knowlege of their parents. One of the kids- we celebrated his 18th birthday during the trip- was tear gassed during one such protest. He told us how, when he got home and took a shower, the tear gas that was stuck in his hair fell down into his eyes.
The experience was exactly as exceuciating as getting tear gassed a second time.
Everybody wants to butt in on the conversation, because it's topical. You hear it on the news.
And full disclosure, _I wasn't there._
I was not at any of these protests and my experience of the movement as a whole was positive. I went to the occupied block! It was great! We found a hat that said "make red hats wearable again!"
But another thing
I myself am white
I live in a neighborhood where I do not encounter the police.
And as far as I'm concerned, I actually have little at stake personally regarding the outcome of these events.
In a way,
I just _live_ here.
2:33 what is your role here? *I'm a black person*
Yes like thats a victim card, i used to avoid saying i am BROWN on internet, my parents are white and black. Cant believe i have to say that i am brown just so that i and you have some credibility you have to add if your black or brown or white, and then some groups come and say -stop racism. I mean like wtf, no white ever came out and said i am white, only black started it. When will they learn to stop talking about race altogether. Makes me brain vomit thinking about the hypocrisy.
She just said she’s a resident and a mourner too as well as a civil rights activist but you just heard “black” because that’s what your bias tells you to hear. And yes black people have a role because they have largely been the primary victims of systemic discrimination and racial injustices in the past 3-400 years in America
@@words007 Exactly. We shouldn’t be divided on race. In the end, we’re all AMERICANS.
ok lets see how that peacefull protroling goes if he sees someone with a gun and robbing someone ? like really what would he do Ask for the gun ? LOL
Try to talk to the person out of a bad decision the point is cops shouldn't be called for domestic violence or dispute, because they do not know how to handle minor situations with out killing someone.
@@Ilovetheskunk whats the statistics where an unarmed person is killed by cops? who are those who know how handle domestic violance situation? social workers? still they would need be accompanied by police officer just in case of worst case scenario.
@@mike.studios7969 thanks for saying seeing his comment hurt my brain
@@Juozaps What the data shows
The Post’s database documents fatal police shootings that have happened since Jan. 1, 2015. The Post said its team relies “primarily on news accounts, social media postings and police reports” in addition to its own reporting.
This data does not include “deaths of people in police custody, fatal shootings by off-duty officers or non-shooting deaths.”
The Post’s data shows police fatally shot 13 unarmed Black men in 2019, five more people than Kirk claimed. Also, police fatally shot an unarmed Black woman, Atatiana Jefferson, 28, on Oct. 12 in Fort Worth Texas. But the Post's database covers only shootings. It does not include deaths caused by beating, tasering or vehicles. George Floyd’s died in police custody after a police officer knelt on his neck for several minutes, which would not have been included in the Post’s data set.
www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/23/fact-check-how-many-unarmed-black-men-did-police-kill-2019/5322455002/
He's gonna "stay in his lane."
Scrolling through the comments is hilarious since GFS is still in operation to this day. And the local governments are working with them.
This is genius. Instead of giving police the training they need just put hippies on bikes