Note: As of patch version 1.04, this video is now obsolete, the Bleed Dogs have been fixed. Fun fact, that 11,640 damage is before counting the blood loss, which will vary wildly depending on your HP, since it's percentage based. The exact reason why the game clears the attack array when the small dog does that one specific attack is owed to some complicated interactions with the behavior data for the various dog enemies, which would've taken quite a bit longer to explain. Simply put, it's caused by the small dog's behavior data being unable to account for the large attack correctly, so the game mistakenly thinks there's no valid attack in the array and clears it. If the small dog data were moved to a new index, it would see the invalid attack data in index 0, but notice the still valid attack data in index 1 and not clear the array.
@@Zavyyn I'd wager it's either C# or C++ which are the most commonly used languages to make video games but since FromSoft uses an in-house engine I can be wrong.
"This means the attack deals damage every frame you're within the hitbox" Feels good to be running 12 FPS. You all laughed at me, but who is laughing now?
It's always so funny how the smallest oversights have some of the craziest consequences in this game. Attack array on this specific dog gets emptied by accident? Here, have a dog that even Mohg has nightmares about.
or that one weapon in Doom where the devs apparently forgot to program it to pause during time slows? They DID program the animation to move slower, but the hit check isn't slowed... so tiem slow makes it do MORE damage.
@@marhawkman303 The BFG tendrils in Doom 2016? The BFG shoots a big green energy ball, and when it gets near an enemy, the ball shoots a continuous arcing lightning-beam at the enemy until the ball itself either flies past or hits something. When you open the weapon selection wheel, the movement of everything slows down, but damage doesn't, so the BFG ball takes longer to go away while its tendrils deal damage at the same rate. This is basically THE speedrun trick for boss fights, and sometimes it can actually be more rewarding to shoot past a bulky enemy than to hit them with the ball.
@@ZullietheWitch at this point, I think they’re just forever cursed to work with whatever scuffed system they programmed years ago for the dogs in souls games
I remember when I saw a message of this dog being, "Be wary of ill omened creature" and saw the dog and said, "It can't be that bad" I died in 1 hit. Well they were right.
@@lelagrangeeffectphysics4120 the main complaint which Zullie has adressed before us how they calculate unloaded enemies and camera view check out there old Souls digs video for a better explanation
@@zephyrthepuppeteer5737 you are not answering the question, the question is not what has been wrong with them the question is why is it always the dogs that get problems
The dogs...it always has to be the dogs! Staggering, stamina killing skeleton dogs, horrendous hitbox dogs, petrifying and toxic rat-dogs, teleporting dogs, Bloodborne's giant flaming one-hit killing dog, T-Rex dogs....and now this doggo. Miyazaki has a dog fetish, or something...
SO happy to see this is a genuine glitch. I was FURIOUS when I first met one of these things because I thought that someone at Fromsoft intentionally made a variant of one of the most annoying enemies that could instantly one shot you. I'll take "what an oversight" over "what were they thinking"
i mean honestly its kinda funny since it doesnt have a lot of health, i think it should stay in the game its not entirely game breaking just dont fight the blood dogs if its too hard.
Yet another piece of evidence that these so-called "dogs" should be removed from the game and the TRUE slow green shelled dogs should be left to rule the lands between without these mangy pretenders running around.
I was having such a good time scampering around collecting stuff, but the primal fear I had upon being jumpscared by my entire 2000hp bar being drained INSTANTLY will forever be burned into my memory.
I was trying to get the blood helice in my first playthrough and I died, i spawned at the statue and got jumped by one of these, instantly died, lost enough runes to lvl up a bunch of times, was big sad that day
Ever since Capra Demon, I have three deep seated instinctual responses whenever I see any Fromsoft Doggo. ~ 1) Keep my distance ~ 2) Prioritize them ~ 3) Screaming It's usually mostly the third. This video only reinforces that this is the correct response. Cheers!
Yeah, every time I see a dog among other enemies I make sure to get rid of them first. Larger enemies are in most cases easier to deal with than something small that jumps all over the place
I knew this was a some sort of bug! When I brought up how a dog 1 shot my entire health bar with a single bite attack I just had people tell me "oh you're just underleveled/bad/can't dodge, it's obviously meant to be that strong cuz it's a souls game". So thank you Zullie! I Finally have a good argument to respond with!
I dunno what it is about ER but that attitude is particularly prevalent compared to previous FS games. If you dare point out something that is clearly broken or jank, you get dogpiled by the armchair heroes because Miyazaki-sama doesn't make mistakes, you're just bad. A game this massive and complex is bound to have bugs, and FS is still actively bug and balance fixing. But nah, game was a 10/10 flawless masterpiece on release.
I think the reason people are reacting this way so much with Elden Ring, is, well, it is jank. At least compared to Bloodborne or Sekiro. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing game, but damn at the Bethesda/CDPR style openworld jank so many are trying to pretend is not happening.
@@robocannon2712 yeah, I don't know why it's so much worse this time around. I personally feel like some of the later game areas are jumping in difficulty a bit too much in terms of enemy health/damage compared to the area just before, but God forbid if I bring it up in any way 🙄
The difficulty spikes are very noticeable. I'm on my 3rd full playthrough and going from being able to handle Fire Giant with ease to getting absolutely dominated by the knights in CFA is really jarring. Even after beating Malenia, I still can't consistently manage the dual-wielders in Castle Sol that you have to kill to get to her in the first place.
Zullie went from helping discover unused content and making it work to straight up just helping make the patches for Fromsoft. Quality work dosent even begin to describe it.
I thought I was going crazy getting slaughtered by these dogs even by being close to them. The first attack that took around 80% of your hp is exactly what I experienced
not just dogs though... ive noticed Redmanes kill me in 1 hit from time to time... they do it standing still. I think they go into their 3 to 4 hit combo but the animation for it doesnt trigger, itll look like they just got tired and gave up... then next thing you know youre either dead or almost dead.
People who datamine fromsoft games at the start of their path: huh, there's a reference to unused characters, neat! Same people now: not only do I found precise reason for this bug to happen, I also singlehandedly created a workaround and tested it to see if it will work. Smh souls-like mindset extends beyond gaming.
That's their way to cope with some of the trauma caused by the Souls-games. Not all though, you would need a Factory Reset for your brain to clear that shit.
@@omnibeta1876 I'm watching the POST of a human now, I don't wanna ever be factory reset. Elden Ring taught me the reason I never ran from a souls game, is b cuz I started with Monster Hunter way back on the PS2. For anyone who doesn't understand that; I'd clarify with it taking similar levels of masochism to cope with, thus souls was just familiar
@sk they were designed to take as long as possible to play, so the levels were ridiculously difficult, requiring precise timing for no reason, or including mistranslations that made puzzles impossible.
IMO if you want to learn programming, make a game. Having something fun to work on, even if you're not aspiring to be a professional game designer, is the best way to actually grasp abstract code concepts because you now have a context for *WHY* they exist as opposed to someone just saying "this is how class inheritance works" and expecting a person hearing that the first time to be able to understand.
There are quite a few games where when you take damage from (or parry/dodge/etc) an attack, the game internally flags that particular attack as unable to hit again should you contact the hitbox later in the animation. It's normally hard to spot without knowing what to look for, but... One of the easiest examples I know of is from Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate. A massive monster called Ukanlos has one move where it digs through the ground directly towards you and causes damage on contact, but the entire (and rather lengthy) sequence is internally counted as a SINGLE attack which means that if you just raise a shield and block it, any further collisions with the hitbox are ignored.
@@Stratelier Certainly depends on the game, in Vindictus there seems to be multiple triggers for an attack over it's sequence that forces players to either dodge outta the way or continue blocking the attack if possible, it discourages "block once hammer away" kind of strats and makes you work with your team properly. Also for Ryan, even just getting into modding should be enough for some people, allows you to get an idea for what goes on in the code and you can build your code around a set example and get similar results. A lot of "optimization" mods typically start in this fashion, allowing the modder to see why things are happening and then modifying or changing code to do the same thing but more efficiently, a prime example of this would be Skyrim's optimization mods as well as Stellaris' communities attempt at centralizing data sets to better expand upon modding capabilities(in other words another form of optimization).
So funny how out of all the enemies, this happened with one of the fastest, most notoriously disliked and most unpredictable ones, and out of those , specifically the bleed variants. Well, I'm just glad the Revenants data didn't get mixed in such way... Just imagine that...
As happy as I am to see Zullie get her classic outfit modded in, I was REALLY curious to see how she would've recreated it in this game with the available equipment pieces
Hmm... What's worse, Stormhawks and their "Lmao, can't touch this" or the Chanting Winged Dame and their "Lmao, I'm gonna scream in yo face and one-shot you"?
That's so wild! It's crazy how easy it is to forget how much math is going on behind the scenes in games, and how FAST. As a player it feels like simple cause and result, but the console has to blast through these flow charts so fast!
@@spacegoat_3d801 If the code works the way described here then it's inherently badly designed code not a mere bug. Anyway, you don't have to catch every single bug, but something like this should be patched very fast after release.
@@xenodude4718 their history says otherwise. DS3 servers on PC are still down. Bloodborne hasn't gotten a single patch to improve fps and resolution on better hardware. Dark Souls on the 360 was never fixed. And so on. I'm very happy that they fixed it but it's not at all characteristic.
In my experience, the ants' spit attack has similarities to this; it seems like it hits way harder than it should and I'm pretty sure I heard overlapping sound effects. Could it be the same error or is it something different entirely?
the ant blast fires many small projectiles with trails to make it look like a spray, you can get hit by 1 and take little damage, or many for alot. i wondered the same thing and sat observing them for a while while they shot at me
I KNEW there had to be something buggy going on with those bleed dogs in Altus Plateau. I knew it! I told my friends how they seemed to be one-shotting me when no other enemy in the entire Altus Plateau region had been able to do so, not even the giant, red-lightning dragon. Good to know I'm not just crazy. Thanks for the thorough explanation!
Crazy how I never got killed by one yet ive been hit by dogs plenty in elden ring. I must just be getting lucky and not taking any hits from these monstrosities lol
@@ruski77 In one area I easily beat the giant dragon boss, then got my shit wrecked three times by some random prawns who lived behind it And I've said before on other bits.. but even after beating all those gods and lords and stuff.. .. I take a wide berth round Rune Bears
@@FluffyDragon rune bears and those damn lobster, prawns, cfish, or whatever they are can be such a bitch to fight. I'm always trying to find a good strategy to counter them but it seems like it's just GET LUCKY lol
Fascinating! I teach linear algebra and probability for computer science majors, and have used elden ring briefly in the classroom before to talk about how we might program the mechanism that causes the enemy to “choose” what attack to use, and I’ve shown graphs of Per level change in HP to Vigor in my precalculus class.
There's that one area in Mohg's Palace with these blood dogs. I cleared all of them but the last one, which killed me twice in a row. I'm pretty sure this is the only area in the game where I just noped out and never returned.
I just tried to ignore the dogs. There’s another place where you can get to that doesn’t have a lot and you can pretty much sneak around them easily. You can also take them all in out when they’re grouped together with a ash of war for zoning.
@@jamesvarela233 I just ran around picking up items while being chased by the dogs, the 2 birds, and the white masked invader lol. I died ofc but managed get all the items hahahaha that place was horror even without the 1 shot dogs
From Software has spend the past 13 years presenting dogs as some of the most vile and despicable creatures imaginable. When one of these dogs touched my leg and all of my veins instantly exploded it didn't even make me blink, it is just par for the course at this point. Heh...
I was lucky enough to kill these dastardly puppers quick enough whenever I encountered them, so I thought their infamy was overblown. I have been proven wrong.
I died a few times to them before learning it’s easier for my character if I use my staff and shoot magick at them from a spot they can’t jump to. That may sound bad but I’m still bolstering my health bar so I gotta be careful not to loose my lvl ups
I was on my way to reclaim 200k souls when a swarm of these dogs obliterated me, and only now do I understand why I died so quickly LOL Amazing work as always Zullie!
@Richie Godsil - that's bad, but how would you feel if you lost over a Million Souls ! This happened to me in Bloodborne a few times. Keep in mind that my character is over level 400 and I need a little over 500,000 souls to go up one level so you can imagine the rage i felt experiencing this. In Soulsborne games you're going to hear a lot of these story's happening to tons of players.
@@drfaustus8694 That's pretty wild, but with the soft and hard caps in Bloodborne's leveling there's almost no return on investment after level 40 in like any stat
I love how the community is cracking their bugs and game design and revealing it to the players. I love this kind of thing, Zullie, TOP STUFF. 👍 I'm looking forward to FromSoft taking notes and patching this. 👌
It’s a clear sign of people loving a game. To crack bugs and get a better solution takes research and time to handle. Not only do the coders have to read the codes, they have to see what’s wrong with said code
Zullie, you continue to impress with the actual 1's and 0's in how everything works. Can't tell you how much it is appreciated for those who understand the art behind the art.
I recently had a similar bug in my own game: an enemy would deal exorbitant amounts of damage - but only if you shot at it. Turns out I forgot to check WHO's inside its hitbox - so every discarded bullet casing from your gun counted towards more damage to the player.
what... what if you turned it into extra difficulty, it will act as penalty if player miss headshot. though if it's a tank or something similar it won't work, i guess
Honestly, I already knew about the broken bleed dogs but was interested to see the science behind it. Thanks for very clearly laying it out so almost anyone can understand it. And I might add that the music was an insanely good touch.
This is an amazingly succinct yet in depth, technical yet understandable analysis of a game system flaw in a game made by someone else. Holly hell Fromsoft hire this dude as a QA lead
Progamming in general actually. Game design is made a lot easier with the use of engines (predesigned modular code frameworks) and then becomes harder again as the game gets progressively more complex. Programming always has a huge element of challenge to it and no game is perfect. One of my favorite games, battletech, seems like a bugless game. The irony is that it has a minor case of a particularly severe bug that is invisible and doesn't cause issues until you mod it. The issue, called a memory leak, basically means that every time the game loads assets and unloads then it fails to release some of the memory. This compounds to eventually cause a CTD, freeze, or BSOD and mods make it exponentially more dramatic the larger the mod is. Basically, imagine memory as a work table. Every time you make something you put tools and supplies on your table. Except the catch is once your done you cut off 5% of your table (or 10-15% for complex projects). By the time you hit your 5th project you will have less than 50% of your starting working space. At some point you won't have enough space left to work with and the table falls or 'crashes'.This is basically what happens to the computers memory in that game and the only workaround is a periodic restart (starting with a whole new table).
Size os a problem with many more things that you'd imagine. Even visual novels must go to great lengths to compress their data to make sure they're not unduly large.
i like seeing these game development sort of breakdowns giving players a look into how the code functions in gameplay its very interesting and helps understand a lot with the game although some things may be bugs its nice to visually see a hitbox for instance and to understand when an attack is broken causing a double hit.
Love how you literally show how it can be fixed and if this isn't token into account I would be so sad Zullie because you are more than just a witch you are a genius.
This is the first and only Elden Ring video I've watched since the game came out because I'm still not done with the game. But as soon as I saw the title I was like "I knew there was something up with that shit!" And had to click.
I spent a lot of time slowly and methodically killing the blood oozes in part of that ruin. I then walked into another part with the dogs, where I killed all of them without taking a hit. I was quite confident when facing the last dog and decided to trade hits with it. First attack took me from 100 to 0 and I finally remembered that you should never underestimate dogs in Fromsoft games.
You know, I really thought something was up when I saw that their attacks stacked on bleed so quickly and the dev part of my brain went "That just feels like the script for the hitbox isn't exiting/breaking after I've already been hit" but I dismissed it as my imagination as I didn't think From Soft could make such an error, because it's an error that I've made several times in my own projects; but alas, to err is human, and let us not forget that From Software are also humans capable of minute oversights that can slip through the cracks of such a large game. I still love this game though.
I'm gonna say it. After watching you at 1:01 I beg FromSoftware to add those other mount types as ultra-rare drops from their riders. I don't care if they'r gonna have a 0.1% drop rate. I HAVE to have them.
@@nunaalsoknownasohare6388 I would be willing to make any sort of compromise tbh. But as huge World of Warcraft player my heart gets heavy while looking at all those beautiful steeds knowing they can't be mine.
Awesome video, thanks a lot for your work ! As a dev, i would immediatly patch it if someone report a bug like this ahah, you already gave the answer to the problem !
Thank you so much for the explanation, now I know why my stamina depletes so quickly when I block against the bleed dog's attacks. The hit box array gets cleared and resets, only to do a consecutive attack per mil-second to you... I hope that since you've mentioned that one of the experts in decoding from Form Software helped explain this to you, that they're already working on the bug and fix it in the next upcoming update for Elden Ring.
Lol I remember looking like 16k runes to these dogs in early game and just being flabbergasted that I was murdered by the same little dog twice in a row. This makes me feel a lot better
man you folks crying over a few thousands runes lost. Try millions! like the one time I lost 10M, it's even more frustrating when you die and lose your runes to TRASH MOBS. I only accept those kinds of losses from bosses. 😅. looki
My first experience with this was when I tried to do a challenge of killing every enemy in mohgwyns area and did the blood lake last. The very final enemy I had left was ONE single blood dog. I found it and got distracted by my son and looked away. I looked back to see my 2k health went to 0 instantly. I dropped 10 million runes. I was hyperventilating 😂
@@joshuagonzalez2594 Moghwyn Palace is an optional area you can access early through doing Varre's quest, or later in the game by reaching Consecrated Snowfield the normal way and finding a specific waygate. The Rune farming trick involves one of those giant crow monsters you see in Caelid, bit because this is an endgame area it's roided up way more than the ones in Caelid could ever hope to be. Anyway, there's this one spot with a grace right on the edge of a cliff overlooking a bottomless chasm, and a ginormous pit of scarlet rot on the other side where there's a giant crow wandering around near the edge. And also conveniently in range of your bow. From the grace, you walk 10 feet to the edge, aim at the crow manually, hit it with an arrow, the crow gets pissed and charges headfirst into the chasm trying to reach you and forgetting it can fly. Then you do two rolls back to the grace, reset, repeat until God Tier. There's videos of it on youtube, just look up something like 'Elden Ring best rune farm' and it'll be one of the top results. EDIT: Oh yeah, the crow gives you over 13,000 runes each time it jumps into the chasm. More with the Golden Scarab and eating gold chicken feet.
@@joshuagonzalez2594 its got 2 ways in. One is in the consecrated snowfield and the other is to do the white mask varre quest which is the maidenless guy. You can get there after defeating godrick finding him in liurnia at the rose church
I deadass thought this was a glitch the first time, so I went back to that ruins to find those dogs and avenge my dumbass and I got one-shot again. That completely killed my mood for the rest of the session and I went on a murdering spree across Atlas Plateau.
"won't take long to fix" yesterday, just casually walking at altus, got ganked by a single smol bleed dog, one bite and 90% of my health pool got sucked out
"This should apparently be a fairly simple thing to patch, so with the issue identified, hopefully it won't take long to fix" -looks at the RCE situation, presses X to doubt-
This is the only enemy I fought in this area and I just thought I was super under-leveled for it. Good to know those ruins are just bugged until next patch. Thanks, Zullie!
The dog-type enemies have to be my least favorite enemy in Elden Ring so far other than the big birds, they're not fun to fight at all or anything, they're just really annoying. Caelid is essentially just your worst nightmare with those crows and huge dogs around. They dodge too much, they run and tackle you, they bite and come in groups, it's awful
The huge dogs arent so bad, except for the attack where they slide on the floor and you have to dodge a couple times or get snapped up. why can dogs do the worm, idk
'The dog-type enemies have to be my least favorite enemy in Elden Ring' welcome to souls games 😂 dogs have been a pain in the ass in every single fromsoft game they have been in. That said, I can't help but get the impression Miyazaki Sat down and thought to himself, how can I make the one enemy nobody likes even more annoying?.
I paused the game with the "menu explanation" trick and this dude was about to bite me, oh my God the nightmare fuel this dog gave me when I returned to my game ....
since you cannot be invaded unless in multiplayer, i don’t know why From doesn’t just add an actual pause option when playing solo. it’s kinda pointless really.
@@mkv2718 yeah it's really dumb that they didn't put it in ER when Sekiro had a pause button, and games like Nioh also have pause buttons. They don't even have to let me mess with my equipment while it's paused, literally just stop the game please. And no one better reply to this and say "Just quit out" because that isn't the same and is still no excuse
@@jeremyabbott4537 In nioh you had to go into the menu then pause the game, then after unpausing you can't input dodges or attacks for some frames. It's not exploitable. They have no excuse. Sekiro pauses the game like any other action game by obscuring the entire screen and allowing you to change your items and abilities. I doubt anyone paused the game everytime they had to parry something
I'm not sure if I should be proud that the players are finding and making their own bugfixes or ashamed that the devs are being so slow on it themselves
One person being faster is not a surprise. There's no oversight. No committees, no jealous coworkers to be careful of. No office politics. One warrior in a jungle can be a lot scarier than an army you can clearly see. This person has no oversight and this is their hobby I'm absolutely not surprised that they get it done faster. From is a Japanese company and you know how Japan loves its rules and customs. Who knows how annoying it is to get something this small done lol. Not every employee is a Miyazaki lol.
Every time I see a Zullie video I watch it, thinking "oh I'll just watch this real quick" An hour later and I can't fucking stop watching Zullie's content
I heard about the bleed dog bug since yesterday. So when i got to mogh's side of nokron today on ng+ i decided i'd run past all the dogs to loot the area instead of engaging them... it didnt help and just made thigns worse being chased by half a dozen demidogs and 2-3 giant meat birds. Lost 1.5 million runes to them... (really shoulda used a branch talisman)
There's a flask tear that works like a branch without wasting it and lasts for a very long time. So unless you using it for cheese strats, run it so you can safely keep your runes when doing dangerous stuff or you wanna stop fighting a boss.
@@Raikos100 but ... but... if i put that in my flask i cant nuke things with comet azur! In all seriousness tho i have a looot of branches to sacrifice and can make more, i was just beign a lil too reckless the one time. Also i'm at level 230+ and don't really use the runes anymore besides buying arrows cause if i level any higher i risk not being able to find anyone to summon since you can only summon people around your level(unless you have friends :') )
Can you talk about the ai input reading next. I think it would be an interesting subject to deep dive into and to see best ways to avoid some of the enemies smoking you because of it.
Honestly once I figured out certain actions from me provoke a punish attempt from enemies, I know to play around it for the most part. As in, "I can't safely heal unless this godskin asshole is in an attack animation or he'll toss a fireball my way, so I have to bait him to attack and get distance"
@@MattR8605 yeah it’s a good mechanic but it happening every single time can get annoying. I fought one of the dudes and trying to bait an attack and get distance all at once made the fight feel like a chore. Too much micromanagement. In bloodborne they had some ai input reading but it never felt as bad as this. IDK it’s a fun game but some of the stuff in it felt unnecessary to add just for some more difficulty.
@@kitzi4470 I mean, the general sentiment is understandable, but the main, advertised dish of this game is supposed to be it's genuine difficulty, if they just left out sophisticated methods of ruining your day we'd be stuck with bullet sponges.
@@slyseal2091 Yeah I don’t view input reading as actual difficulty. Granted I probably wouldn’t mind it if some of these bosses had less health or if the rolling felt better and quick. Like I said idk games fun but it feels like they’ve just stacked too much against the player for a “relaxed ride” of a game as they’ve advertised. I knew it was gonna be difficult when I got into the game just would be nice if some of the difficulty was similar to the difficulty in bloodborne or dark souls where they had little to none input reading.
It's a misunderstanding to call it input reading, it's actually animation reading. The game doesn't detect you pressing a button to heal and preemptively begin heal punishing you before you even start, the AI can read your current animation and rushes to punish you when it registers you're actively performing the heal animation.
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Note: As of patch version 1.04, this video is now obsolete, the Bleed Dogs have been fixed.
Fun fact, that 11,640 damage is before counting the blood loss, which will vary wildly depending on your HP, since it's percentage based.
The exact reason why the game clears the attack array when the small dog does that one specific attack is owed to some complicated interactions with the behavior data for the various dog enemies, which would've taken quite a bit longer to explain. Simply put, it's caused by the small dog's behavior data being unable to account for the large attack correctly, so the game mistakenly thinks there's no valid attack in the array and clears it. If the small dog data were moved to a new index, it would see the invalid attack data in index 0, but notice the still valid attack data in index 1 and not clear the array.
Dog...goD ?
Is this all in C?
Would be OP if same bug applied to Rotten Strays summon.
So ive been made fun of for saying this game is too hard and youre basically telling me that its broken?
@@Zavyyn I'd wager it's either C# or C++ which are the most commonly used languages to make video games but since FromSoft uses an in-house engine I can be wrong.
Thank you for carefully explaining why this dog could single handedly become the Elden Lord if it tried
Radagon is immune to bleed tho
@@shelbyseitzinger927 it's still biting on every frame for some amount of physical damage, so it'll still mow through his hp in a few attacks.
Dog > God
@@SalmanRavoof I remember that Super Mutant.
Dog stands for Devourer of God in Terraria, so yeah there's still a chance
This makes alot more sense than my hypothesis of each tooth being a tiny chainsaw
Well, the Chainsaw thing is probably the lore behind the dogs. FROM just used a bug to integrate the lore into the game
@@Tim_593 *feature
@@Tim_593 just sum to cover it up that’s all
Tiny chainsaws are Canon now
So what your saying is the bleed dogs are the ancestral inspiration for blade wolf
"This means the attack deals damage every frame you're within the hitbox"
Feels good to be running 12 FPS. You all laughed at me, but who is laughing now?
Bleed dog will come to fear my potato powers
@@zealousdoggo But then what will _Zealous Doggo_ fear?
Bloodborne dogs be like "this dog does 5.820 damage per second"
Lol it’s just like DS2 weapon durability
Still laughing
It's always so funny how the smallest oversights have some of the craziest consequences in this game. Attack array on this specific dog gets emptied by accident? Here, have a dog that even Mohg has nightmares about.
2 of those dogs could wipe mog in 2 seconds
or that one weapon in Doom where the devs apparently forgot to program it to pause during time slows? They DID program the animation to move slower, but the hit check isn't slowed... so tiem slow makes it do MORE damage.
@@marhawkman303 The BFG tendrils in Doom 2016? The BFG shoots a big green energy ball, and when it gets near an enemy, the ball shoots a continuous arcing lightning-beam at the enemy until the ball itself either flies past or hits something.
When you open the weapon selection wheel, the movement of everything slows down, but damage doesn't, so the BFG ball takes longer to go away while its tendrils deal damage at the same rate. This is basically THE speedrun trick for boss fights, and sometimes it can actually be more rewarding to shoot past a bulky enemy than to hit them with the ball.
so thats what the dog doing
the dog is doing your moder
After last time, you'd think they'd be especially careful about letting big dogs and small dogs share animations.
clearly the dog is doing a miracle build 🧙♂
@@ZullietheWitch at this point, I think they’re just forever cursed to work with whatever scuffed system they programmed years ago for the dogs in souls games
"WhErE mIraCLe BUilD oLd MAn?"
It was explained so well, that I understood it like 95% of it , without having any significant programing knowledge
Yo no se casi nada de ingles ni de programacion
Y tambien lo entendi
Definitivamente una buena explicación
Hotdog 🔥
Same though.
what about the other 5 percent
You clearly haven't seen Shounic's graphic explanations of TF2 spaghetti code lol.
This explanation is good, but it could be way better.
I remember when I saw a message of this dog being, "Be wary of ill omened creature" and saw the dog and said, "It can't be that bad"
I died in 1 hit. Well they were right.
To be fair dogs have always been annoying. Now with Torren teleporting dogs are more obvious.
"Just look at the bones!"
I hope you went back and upvoted the message.
@@DamnDaimen That dog's dynamite!
@@DamnDaimen "Brother Maynard, bring up the Holy Pot Grenade"
I always knew the dogs were the most OP From Soft enemies. Elden Ring has proved my theory
Yo wssup man of action? Hope you're doing great
Most OP? The name itself implies that there can only be one thing that is overpowered and trumps the others
@@Mrcoldy1988 that implies that theres a thing thats the most overpowered, not that theres only one overpowered thing
@@satgurs wtf?
this dog looks like rabid dog, and rabies has 100% mortality rate. that's why this dog is OP.
“Why is it whenever anything happens it’s always you three?”
>Status spam
>Cliff detection
>Dog
@Wonton Kasmir id say dog enemies are proooobably deprecated... just dont get much love and animation wise are probably more complicated
@@lelagrangeeffectphysics4120 the main complaint which Zullie has adressed before us how they calculate unloaded enemies and camera view check out there old Souls digs video for a better explanation
@@zephyrthepuppeteer5737 you are not answering the question, the question is not what has been wrong with them the question is why is it always the dogs that get problems
@@lelagrangeeffectphysics4120 generally how they're programmed in games which is how I answered technically lol
I heard this in Maggie smith’s voice..
The dogs...it always has to be the dogs!
Staggering, stamina killing skeleton dogs, horrendous hitbox dogs, petrifying and toxic rat-dogs, teleporting dogs, Bloodborne's giant flaming one-hit killing dog, T-Rex dogs....and now this doggo. Miyazaki has a dog fetish, or something...
The dogs right before Farron Swamp are the worst, ledging you!
He is the Anti-Araki. The dogs brutally kill you.
I’ll say it once I’ll say it again, animal enemies suck in souls games. Dogs, rats, reindeer, octopi, they all suck and are super annoying to fight
I thought dogs were the things with long necks in shells
to add; there is also a bugged goodboy in Elden Ring that doesnt attack you.
SO happy to see this is a genuine glitch. I was FURIOUS when I first met one of these things because I thought that someone at Fromsoft intentionally made a variant of one of the most annoying enemies that could instantly one shot you. I'll take "what an oversight" over "what were they thinking"
i mean honestly its kinda funny since it doesnt have a lot of health, i think it should stay in the game its not entirely game breaking just dont fight the blood dogs if its too hard.
I think it says a lot about the late game in ER that I also had to wonder whether or not this was intentional lol
@@Jackbonenate It is kind of funny, I agree. I didn't even know they did so much damage, I don't think I've been hit by a smaller one.
Finally, people are starting to realise that this game is literally broken ::)
@@yesdude3914 Chill out homie. You’re gonna be in for a surprise if you ever get around to playing New World, 2042 or Cyberpunk
Yet another piece of evidence that these so-called "dogs" should be removed from the game and the TRUE slow green shelled dogs should be left to rule the lands between without these mangy pretenders running around.
🐢 dog?
@@biggiecheese2004 Dog ahead
Be wary of dog 🐢
Could this be a dog? 🐢
dog ahead,
time for joy
Super clear and concise, I LOVE seeing massive games like this with thousands of moving parts peeled back so we can see how they work
so lewd
wtf
It is
Elden ring next ?
Yo its Xploshi 😳
I was having such a good time scampering around collecting stuff, but the primal fear I had upon being jumpscared by my entire 2000hp bar being drained INSTANTLY will forever be burned into my memory.
I was trying to get the blood helice in my first playthrough and I died, i spawned at the statue and got jumped by one of these, instantly died, lost enough runes to lvl up a bunch of times, was big sad that day
This exactly happened to me as all my 1.8k HP bar and all of torrents and my blood bar filled in less than 10 frames
Ever since Capra Demon, I have three deep seated instinctual responses whenever I see any Fromsoft Doggo.
~ 1) Keep my distance
~ 2) Prioritize them
~ 3) Screaming
It's usually mostly the third. This video only reinforces that this is the correct response.
Cheers!
What pisses me off even more is that they backstep away from you lol.
Swing first, ask questions later.
@@bimmer8602 the backstep is infuriating. I find that roll attacking works okay, sometimes.
My response is to block everything out except my urge to kill and spam r1.
Yeah, every time I see a dog among other enemies I make sure to get rid of them first. Larger enemies are in most cases easier to deal with than something small that jumps all over the place
Ah, I can already tell. This dog is perfectly balanced. It understands how to make the most out of game exploits.
You remind me of a certain extremely nice British fellow
I knew this was a some sort of bug! When I brought up how a dog 1 shot my entire health bar with a single bite attack I just had people tell me "oh you're just underleveled/bad/can't dodge, it's obviously meant to be that strong cuz it's a souls game". So thank you Zullie! I Finally have a good argument to respond with!
Souls fans can be… annoying to deal with. It’s like they see criticism as a threat to their very lives.
I dunno what it is about ER but that attitude is particularly prevalent compared to previous FS games. If you dare point out something that is clearly broken or jank, you get dogpiled by the armchair heroes because Miyazaki-sama doesn't make mistakes, you're just bad.
A game this massive and complex is bound to have bugs, and FS is still actively bug and balance fixing. But nah, game was a 10/10 flawless masterpiece on release.
I think the reason people are reacting this way so much with Elden Ring, is, well, it is jank. At least compared to Bloodborne or Sekiro. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing game, but damn at the Bethesda/CDPR style openworld jank so many are trying to pretend is not happening.
@@robocannon2712 yeah, I don't know why it's so much worse this time around. I personally feel like some of the later game areas are jumping in difficulty a bit too much in terms of enemy health/damage compared to the area just before, but God forbid if I bring it up in any way 🙄
The difficulty spikes are very noticeable. I'm on my 3rd full playthrough and going from being able to handle Fire Giant with ease to getting absolutely dominated by the knights in CFA is really jarring. Even after beating Malenia, I still can't consistently manage the dual-wielders in Castle Sol that you have to kill to get to her in the first place.
Zullie went from helping discover unused content and making it work to straight up just helping make the patches for Fromsoft.
Quality work dosent even begin to describe it.
Can't forget Meowmaritus either, though this is the first I've heard of him
ah, Patches
I just hope these kinds of content creators are being paid (by Fromsoft, YT, etc) enough for their QA test work.
@@TiddyTwyster Meowmaritus is pretty the much *the* dude. MF is on a different level.
Welcome to modding, I can see it's your first day here
I was stunned when I got absolutely murdered through my greatshield by blocking a single attack. This explains so very much.
Same. Greatshield, 125 Stamina, 1600ish HP and got killed in milliseconds. While tanking Morgott all day.
“Why does everything 2 shot me…”
I thought I was going crazy getting slaughtered by these dogs even by being close to them. The first attack that took around 80% of your hp is exactly what I experienced
not just dogs though... ive noticed Redmanes kill me in 1 hit from time to time... they do it standing still.
I think they go into their 3 to 4 hit combo but the animation for it doesnt trigger, itll look like they just got tired and gave up... then next thing you know youre either dead or almost dead.
@@ShadowDeus que tjytnhqt
Nt
People who datamine fromsoft games at the start of their path: huh, there's a reference to unused characters, neat!
Same people now: not only do I found precise reason for this bug to happen, I also singlehandedly created a workaround and tested it to see if it will work.
Smh souls-like mindset extends beyond gaming.
That's their way to cope with some of the trauma caused by the Souls-games.
Not all though, you would need a Factory Reset for your brain to clear that shit.
@@omnibeta1876 I'm watching the POST of a human now, I don't wanna ever be factory reset. Elden Ring taught me the reason I never ran from a souls game, is b cuz I started with Monster Hunter way back on the PS2. For anyone who doesn't understand that; I'd clarify with it taking similar levels of masochism to cope with, thus souls was just familiar
@sk Try ninja gaiden
i'll take this as a joke of april fools. dont be fooled people
@sk they were designed to take as long as possible to play, so the levels were ridiculously difficult, requiring precise timing for no reason, or including mistranslations that made puzzles impossible.
not only did i learn about the game, i also learned about arrays, optimization, hitboxes, and programming. amazing stuff
IMO if you want to learn programming, make a game. Having something fun to work on, even if you're not aspiring to be a professional game designer, is the best way to actually grasp abstract code concepts because you now have a context for *WHY* they exist as opposed to someone just saying "this is how class inheritance works" and expecting a person hearing that the first time to be able to understand.
There are quite a few games where when you take damage from (or parry/dodge/etc) an attack, the game internally flags that particular attack as unable to hit again should you contact the hitbox later in the animation. It's normally hard to spot without knowing what to look for, but...
One of the easiest examples I know of is from Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate. A massive monster called Ukanlos has one move where it digs through the ground directly towards you and causes damage on contact, but the entire (and rather lengthy) sequence is internally counted as a SINGLE attack which means that if you just raise a shield and block it, any further collisions with the hitbox are ignored.
@@Ryan-nm8pw Thanks for the advice Ryan
@@Stratelier Certainly depends on the game, in Vindictus there seems to be multiple triggers for an attack over it's sequence that forces players to either dodge outta the way or continue blocking the attack if possible, it discourages "block once hammer away" kind of strats and makes you work with your team properly.
Also for Ryan, even just getting into modding should be enough for some people, allows you to get an idea for what goes on in the code and you can build your code around a set example and get similar results. A lot of "optimization" mods typically start in this fashion, allowing the modder to see why things are happening and then modifying or changing code to do the same thing but more efficiently, a prime example of this would be Skyrim's optimization mods as well as Stellaris' communities attempt at centralizing data sets to better expand upon modding capabilities(in other words another form of optimization).
big TIL
So funny how out of all the enemies, this happened with one of the fastest, most notoriously disliked and most unpredictable ones, and out of those , specifically the bleed variants.
Well, I'm just glad the Revenants data didn't get mixed in such way... Just imagine that...
Don't even say that you're scaring me
As happy as I am to see Zullie get her classic outfit modded in, I was REALLY curious to see how she would've recreated it in this game with the available equipment pieces
I assume she would have used Ranni's outfit or Seluvis's outfit.
Zullie made an attempt at her Melina fight video, she was using Snow Witch set
Zullie used the Snow Witch outfit as a close approximation for a bit.
Oh I thought it was Alberich's hat+Fia's dress :'(
She?
Dogs, people with torches, and flying enemies.
The true bosses of Fromsoft games.
The final boss of elden ring: A flying, torch-wielding Dog!
Bro those fucking flying demi-humans in stormveil.
Hmm... What's worse, Stormhawks and their "Lmao, can't touch this" or the Chanting Winged Dame and their "Lmao, I'm gonna scream in yo face and one-shot you"?
@@Lizzardtong Close enough to the annoying ass flying fire breathing birds with literal swords on their feet (it sounds fake but I'm not lying)
@@Lizzardtong that's it, I'm never sleeping again 😂
The bonewheel lives on, in one form or another, we cannot escape.
In Mohg's Swamp, the red albunaurics have a bonewheel attack. There's also like, 5 of them right next to a really good farming spot. It's HELL.
visit the blood swamp
@@honeycrisp808 haha Sacred Relic Sword’s Wave of Gold goes brrrrrrrr
@@honeycrisp808 bait the roll toward the cliff and dodge left. cheers lol
That's so wild! It's crazy how easy it is to forget how much math is going on behind the scenes in games, and how FAST. As a player it feels like simple cause and result, but the console has to blast through these flow charts so fast!
This is a masterclass
The programming skills of the devs might need a masterclass or two...
@@zolikoff nah it’s hard to catch every single bug. Even with a full QA team
@@spacegoat_3d801 If the code works the way described here then it's inherently badly designed code not a mere bug.
Anyway, you don't have to catch every single bug, but something like this should be patched very fast after release.
Yes it's a masterpie...class class, a masterclass of course
@@zolikoff bet you can’t do better. Get a job on their dev team. You talk the talk but you can’t walk the walk. Very sad.
2:52 Man, bleed builds are getting really insane these days....
Dude I wish my bleed build could do that imagine just blood letting these bosses to death
Why can't we just copy Godrick, but instead of attaching a dragon head to our arm, we attach this dogs head. Creating the most op bleed build ever.
@@Kadze_15 That’s what we need perfect build right here
When the players are spamming rivers of blood and you aren't even safe from bleed offline
@@Kadze_15 in PvP you see a guy w/ Grafted Dog-Head &No Weapon.... &You fking RUN!!
I knew what was going on as far as damage per frame goes, but the in depth explanation was super interesting, glad you made this
"This should apparently be a fairly simple thing to patch"
Ok, that means it won't be fixed for years.
If ever. Edit: In a glorious show of unforseen character; they fixed it.
So about that...
Aged like milk
They ain't EA you know.
@@xenodude4718 their history says otherwise. DS3 servers on PC are still down. Bloodborne hasn't gotten a single patch to improve fps and resolution on better hardware. Dark Souls on the 360 was never fixed. And so on.
I'm very happy that they fixed it but it's not at all characteristic.
In my experience, the ants' spit attack has similarities to this; it seems like it hits way harder than it should and I'm pretty sure I heard overlapping sound effects. Could it be the same error or is it something different entirely?
Me too
the ant blast fires many small projectiles with trails to make it look like a spray, you can get hit by 1 and take little damage, or many for alot. i wondered the same thing and sat observing them for a while while they shot at me
JOSEJU??! what are you doing here?
Same here
josejuan
This is AMAZING. As a developer, I can't say how amazed I am. Seriously Zullie, amazing.
Yes, this guy fixes a bug for the game haha
@@surprisedhamster5576 I think shes a girl?
@@mordogonofastora3421 nah he might be cosplaying as one
@@mordogonofastora3421 oops my bad
I KNEW there had to be something buggy going on with those bleed dogs in Altus Plateau. I knew it! I told my friends how they seemed to be one-shotting me when no other enemy in the entire Altus Plateau region had been able to do so, not even the giant, red-lightning dragon. Good to know I'm not just crazy. Thanks for the thorough explanation!
Crazy how I never got killed by one yet ive been hit by dogs plenty in elden ring. I must just be getting lucky and not taking any hits from these monstrosities lol
I love how I can literally slay lords, gods, and great space generals of war without much issue then get mauled by a single dog.
Fromsoft for you.
@@ruski77 In one area I easily beat the giant dragon boss, then got my shit wrecked three times by some random prawns who lived behind it
And I've said before on other bits.. but even after beating all those gods and lords and stuff.. .. I take a wide berth round Rune Bears
@@FluffyDragon rune bears and those damn lobster, prawns, cfish, or whatever they are can be such a bitch to fight. I'm always trying to find a good strategy to counter them but it seems like it's just GET LUCKY lol
Fascinating! I teach linear algebra and probability for computer science majors, and have used elden ring briefly in the classroom before to talk about how we might program the mechanism that causes the enemy to “choose” what attack to use, and I’ve shown graphs of Per level change in HP to Vigor in my precalculus class.
There's that one area in Mohg's Palace with these blood dogs. I cleared all of them but the last one, which killed me twice in a row.
I'm pretty sure this is the only area in the game where I just noped out and never returned.
That is the scariest area in the game. Period
I just tried to ignore the dogs. There’s another place where you can get to that doesn’t have a lot and you can pretty much sneak around them easily. You can also take them all in out when they’re grouped together with a ash of war for zoning.
@@demoniummacuarum7486 Pun intended?
Yeah, I just didn't feel like going back there after beating Mohg by going through a different area.
@@jamesvarela233 I just ran around picking up items while being chased by the dogs, the 2 birds, and the white masked invader lol. I died ofc but managed get all the items hahahaha that place was horror even without the 1 shot dogs
From Software has spend the past 13 years presenting dogs as some of the most vile and despicable creatures imaginable.
When one of these dogs touched my leg and all of my veins instantly exploded it didn't even make me blink, it is just par for the course at this point.
Heh...
Turtles were the real doggos all along.
I was lucky enough to kill these dastardly puppers quick enough whenever I encountered them, so I thought their infamy was overblown. I have been proven wrong.
I died a few times to them before learning it’s easier for my character if I use my staff and shoot magick at them from a spot they can’t jump to. That may sound bad but I’m still bolstering my health bar so I gotta be careful not to loose my lvl ups
@@PinkWytchBytch No wrong way to play
@@PinkWytchBytch bro I ritualistically hunt them down with the jar canon, do what you want and have fun!
@@AutumnReel4444 Don't lie to the man. If you're not using an ultra greatsword you are playing wrong. BIG BOYS BIG POISE ROLL OUT
Or maybe slowly walk out
Very well explained, I was able to understand almost all of it without any prior knowledge about programming! Subbed
I was on my way to reclaim 200k souls when a swarm of these dogs obliterated me, and only now do I understand why I died so quickly LOL
Amazing work as always Zullie!
200k, dude?! I almost went hollow just reading that
Same. I hate dogs in FromSoft games
@Richie Godsil - that's bad, but how would you feel if you lost over a Million Souls ! This happened to me in Bloodborne a few times. Keep in mind that my character is over level 400 and I need a little over 500,000 souls to go up one level so you can imagine the rage i felt experiencing this. In Soulsborne games you're going to hear a lot of these story's happening to tons of players.
think i saw ur reddit post and was just about to comment a link to this on it.
@@drfaustus8694 That's pretty wild, but with the soft and hard caps in Bloodborne's leveling there's almost no return on investment after level 40 in like any stat
I love how the community is cracking their bugs and game design and revealing it to the players. I love this kind of thing, Zullie, TOP STUFF. 👍
I'm looking forward to FromSoft taking notes and patching this. 👌
It’s a clear sign of people loving a game. To crack bugs and get a better solution takes research and time to handle. Not only do the coders have to read the codes, they have to see what’s wrong with said code
Thanks Zullie, I knew you’d eventually explain the Hyper Bleed Murder Dogs
Zullie, you continue to impress with the actual 1's and 0's in how everything works. Can't tell you how much it is appreciated for those who understand the art behind the art.
I recently had a similar bug in my own game: an enemy would deal exorbitant amounts of damage - but only if you shot at it. Turns out I forgot to check WHO's inside its hitbox - so every discarded bullet casing from your gun counted towards more damage to the player.
what... what if you turned it into extra difficulty, it will act as penalty if player miss headshot. though if it's a tank or something similar it won't work, i guess
@@slate3998 that sounds sadistic
@@evorm7329 that's why it's extra difficulty, you know like extra option in customizable difficulty for veteran player.
@@slate3998 nah bro that's just fucked up
what? It sounds like you were counting spent bullet casings as separate player hitboxes, so your "who's inside the hitbox" doesn't make much sense.
In a weird kinda way being able to see the code and hitboxes of npcs in the world kinda makes Zullie the true elden lord. She sees and knows all.
Lady Zullie The Witch, The All-Knowing
Gotta have a lot of eyes inside that big ol' hat. I suspect she might be the only one that really does Have the Right
Honestly, I already knew about the broken bleed dogs but was interested to see the science behind it. Thanks for very clearly laying it out so almost anyone can understand it. And I might add that the music was an insanely good touch.
coming back to this video for the nostalgia of launch elden ring and to see a feral dog chainsaw once again
This is an amazingly succinct yet in depth, technical yet understandable analysis of a game system flaw in a game made by someone else. Holly hell Fromsoft hire this dude as a QA lead
dude?
@@sardette person I guess would’ve been more appropriate
@@Hugop_arts nah u good. Don’t feed the troll
Fromsoft got called out for overworking and ignoring harassment of female employees less than a month ago.
When one of those dogs killed me, i thought it can give instant bleed. scared of those dogs since.
It's not instant it takes like 6 frames! /S
These videos make me appreciate how difficult game design really is.
Progamming in general actually. Game design is made a lot easier with the use of engines (predesigned modular code frameworks) and then becomes harder again as the game gets progressively more complex.
Programming always has a huge element of challenge to it and no game is perfect. One of my favorite games, battletech, seems like a bugless game. The irony is that it has a minor case of a particularly severe bug that is invisible and doesn't cause issues until you mod it. The issue, called a memory leak, basically means that every time the game loads assets and unloads then it fails to release some of the memory. This compounds to eventually cause a CTD, freeze, or BSOD and mods make it exponentially more dramatic the larger the mod is.
Basically, imagine memory as a work table. Every time you make something you put tools and supplies on your table. Except the catch is once your done you cut off 5% of your table (or 10-15% for complex projects). By the time you hit your 5th project you will have less than 50% of your starting working space. At some point you won't have enough space left to work with and the table falls or 'crashes'.This is basically what happens to the computers memory in that game and the only workaround is a periodic restart (starting with a whole new table).
Size os a problem with many more things that you'd imagine. Even visual novels must go to great lengths to compress their data to make sure they're not unduly large.
@@oceanbytez847 I like the table analogy
Pitbull named princess:
*The game reads both small and large attacks at the same time*
“That’s not so bad”
*at the same time*
“Oh.”
Zullie doing good work, hope the devs see this and fix the bug
Even when dealing with headless horses and nightmare dogs, your videos always have such wonderful and cute charm about them. Still the best witch :D
i like seeing these game development sort of breakdowns giving players a look into how the code functions in gameplay its very interesting and helps understand a lot with the game although some things may be bugs its nice to visually see a hitbox for instance and to understand when an attack is broken causing a double hit.
Love how you literally show how it can be fixed and if this isn't token into account I would be so sad Zullie because you are more than just a witch you are a genius.
she the real "ranni the witch" if you catch my meaning
@Radigan no she isn’t? Her twitter literally says “big hat lady”
@@kimmispooks that could be referring to the character Zullie, who is a character from dark souls with a big hat.
possibly?
I guess an rp thing is a possibility
This is the first and only Elden Ring video I've watched since the game came out because I'm still not done with the game. But as soon as I saw the title I was like "I knew there was something up with that shit!" And had to click.
I spent a lot of time slowly and methodically killing the blood oozes in part of that ruin. I then walked into another part with the dogs, where I killed all of them without taking a hit. I was quite confident when facing the last dog and decided to trade hits with it.
First attack took me from 100 to 0 and I finally remembered that you should never underestimate dogs in Fromsoft games.
writheblood ruins, second church of marika, and dogs near murder crows in moghwyn palace are the worst
Every time I see the internals of a fromsoft rpg I hold my head like that Kira youtuber guy.
Well, that explains the huge damage and ridiculous hitbox of this enemy, haha. Thank you very much for the info, and great job.
This was pretty technical, but still interesting and very well explained. It's easy to forget just how many moving parts there are in video games.
Fascinating. Damn debugging an obscure binary like this is absolutely wild, impressive
very cool insight in how identifying and patching bugs happen
You know, I really thought something was up when I saw that their attacks stacked on bleed so quickly and the dev part of my brain went "That just feels like the script for the hitbox isn't exiting/breaking after I've already been hit" but I dismissed it as my imagination as I didn't think From Soft could make such an error, because it's an error that I've made several times in my own projects; but alas, to err is human, and let us not forget that From Software are also humans capable of minute oversights that can slip through the cracks of such a large game.
I still love this game though.
I'm gonna say it.
After watching you at 1:01 I beg FromSoftware to add those other mount types as ultra-rare drops from their riders.
I don't care if they'r gonna have a 0.1% drop rate. I HAVE to have them.
They would be awesome to have tbh, to balance it though they could be faster and have more health than Torrent but not be able to do his double jump
@@nunaalsoknownasohare6388 I would be willing to make any sort of compromise tbh. But as huge World of Warcraft player my heart gets heavy while looking at all those beautiful steeds knowing they can't be mine.
No
Who the hell wants to waste their life away farming a .1% drop? Maybe some no life scrub.
@@solotango5576 a rpg collector that loves farming in these games
NO JUDGING punk
Awesome video, thanks a lot for your work ! As a dev, i would immediatly patch it if someone report a bug like this ahah, you already gave the answer to the problem !
Loved this video. Informative, relaxing, not self absorbed, well edited.
Very well done.
Thank you so much for the explanation, now I know why my stamina depletes so quickly when I block against the bleed dog's attacks. The hit box array gets cleared and resets, only to do a consecutive attack per mil-second to you... I hope that since you've mentioned that one of the experts in decoding from Form Software helped explain this to you, that they're already working on the bug and fix it in the next upcoming update for Elden Ring.
Miyazaki looking at this like "There's nothing wrong with dogs, they're a perfectly balanced enemy that's fun to fight in every Souls game they're in"
Gotta love how a dog is basically the god of power stancing bleed weapons in elden ring
This is the best most detailed bug report I've ever seen
Lol I remember looking like 16k runes to these dogs in early game and just being flabbergasted that I was murdered by the same little dog twice in a row. This makes me feel a lot better
The first time it killed me I thought it was a bug, or maybe got attacked by something else. Returned and killed me in 2 hits, bye 70k runes
@@zerickx i had 180k runes and was ganked by these dogs pain
man you folks crying over a few thousands runes lost. Try millions! like the one time I lost 10M, it's even more frustrating when you die and lose your runes to TRASH MOBS. I only accept those kinds of losses from bosses. 😅. looki
My first experience with this was when I tried to do a challenge of killing every enemy in mohgwyns area and did the blood lake last. The very final enemy I had left was ONE single blood dog. I found it and got distracted by my son and looked away. I looked back to see my 2k health went to 0 instantly. I dropped 10 million runes. I was hyperventilating 😂
Where'd you get 10 million runes???!!!!!!!!
@@joshuagonzalez2594 in the same area. Do you not know about the insane rune farming area in mohgwyns palace? It takes like 30 mins to get 10 million.
@@luigiongaming3959.
Don't know where the palace is at.
Assuming it's in caelid.
@@joshuagonzalez2594 Moghwyn Palace is an optional area you can access early through doing Varre's quest, or later in the game by reaching Consecrated Snowfield the normal way and finding a specific waygate. The Rune farming trick involves one of those giant crow monsters you see in Caelid, bit because this is an endgame area it's roided up way more than the ones in Caelid could ever hope to be.
Anyway, there's this one spot with a grace right on the edge of a cliff overlooking a bottomless chasm, and a ginormous pit of scarlet rot on the other side where there's a giant crow wandering around near the edge. And also conveniently in range of your bow. From the grace, you walk 10 feet to the edge, aim at the crow manually, hit it with an arrow, the crow gets pissed and charges headfirst into the chasm trying to reach you and forgetting it can fly. Then you do two rolls back to the grace, reset, repeat until God Tier.
There's videos of it on youtube, just look up something like 'Elden Ring best rune farm' and it'll be one of the top results.
EDIT: Oh yeah, the crow gives you over 13,000 runes each time it jumps into the chasm. More with the Golden Scarab and eating gold chicken feet.
@@joshuagonzalez2594 its got 2 ways in. One is in the consecrated snowfield and the other is to do the white mask varre quest which is the maidenless guy. You can get there after defeating godrick finding him in liurnia at the rose church
I actually miss these. The danger was fun.
I like how ya'll talk with eachother to figure stuff out, like you all have your own specialties
I deadass thought this was a glitch the first time, so I went back to that ruins to find those dogs and avenge my dumbass and I got one-shot again.
That completely killed my mood for the rest of the session and I went on a murdering spree across Atlas Plateau.
Someone uploaded a clip of 99 Vigor, Full Bull Armor or whatever, and a great shield. Murder Dog still Murdered.
This is a glitch though
But it is a glitch?
@@madmanpecos he meant like a one time thing
Is it fandomically (not a word) called Atlas Plateau insgead of Altus Plateau
"won't take long to fix"
yesterday, just casually walking at altus, got ganked by a single smol bleed dog, one bite and 90% of my health pool got sucked out
I love these type of videos that break down the code aswell
channels like yours are gems
"This should apparently be a fairly simple thing to patch, so with the issue identified, hopefully it won't take long to fix" -looks at the RCE situation, presses X to doubt-
Im just hoping its taking forever because they're focusing on elden ring. Emphasis on hoping.
RCE?
This explains a lot. I was scared at how much damage these dogs do. Even over leveled they do a lot of damage.
Glad to know it's a bug, pretty surprising getting a good chunk of my health drained when I was at around 40 vig the first time I fought the dog
Free QA/QC with clear context, and a way to complete to error.
Give this guy a job.
This is the only enemy I fought in this area and I just thought I was super under-leveled for it. Good to know those ruins are just bugged until next patch. Thanks, Zullie!
np
The dog-type enemies have to be my least favorite enemy in Elden Ring so far other than the big birds, they're not fun to fight at all or anything, they're just really annoying. Caelid is essentially just your worst nightmare with those crows and huge dogs around. They dodge too much, they run and tackle you, they bite and come in groups, it's awful
The huge dogs arent so bad, except for the attack where they slide on the floor and you have to dodge a couple times or get snapped up. why can dogs do the worm, idk
use a colossal weapon on the dogs they stagger in like 2 hits
'The dog-type enemies have to be my least favorite enemy in Elden Ring' welcome to souls games 😂 dogs have been a pain in the ass in every single fromsoft game they have been in. That said, I can't help but get the impression Miyazaki Sat down and thought to himself, how can I make the one enemy nobody likes even more annoying?.
Those huge crows are the WORST, specially in Mogh's palace
For me its those damn 1000 armed weird nobles tbat spit poison and flail about everywhere
More bug than dog
Nice video, I found it more interesting learning a bit about how games are made and how attacks work in the background. Thanks!
Glad to see I wasn’t just crazy when I kept getting absolutely destroyed by those damn things 🥴
As a former programmer, this is the kind of QA I would've loved! Is this your full time job or do you work as a programmer as well?
oh, thank god!! finally someone explaining why this doggo's bleed is so damn stoopid
It's not just the dog's mouth, but each tooth has a separate attack.
If only there was a summon for this dog
There is.
It's for the rot dogs not the bleed dogs
I paused the game with the "menu explanation" trick and this dude was about to bite me, oh my God the nightmare fuel this dog gave me when I returned to my game ....
since you cannot be invaded unless in multiplayer, i don’t know why From doesn’t just add an actual pause option when playing solo. it’s kinda pointless really.
@@mkv2718 yeah it's really dumb that they didn't put it in ER when Sekiro had a pause button, and games like Nioh also have pause buttons. They don't even have to let me mess with my equipment while it's paused, literally just stop the game please. And no one better reply to this and say "Just quit out" because that isn't the same and is still no excuse
I assume they don't want people pause buffering/potentially exploiting pausing in combat to catch your breath, but I never played Sekiro so who knows
@@jeremyabbott4537 In nioh you had to go into the menu then pause the game, then after unpausing you can't input dodges or attacks for some frames. It's not exploitable. They have no excuse.
Sekiro pauses the game like any other action game by obscuring the entire screen and allowing you to change your items and abilities. I doubt anyone paused the game everytime they had to parry something
I'm not sure if I should be proud that the players are finding and making their own bugfixes or ashamed that the devs are being so slow on it themselves
One person being faster is not a surprise. There's no oversight. No committees, no jealous coworkers to be careful of. No office politics. One warrior in a jungle can be a lot scarier than an army you can clearly see.
This person has no oversight and this is their hobby I'm absolutely not surprised that they get it done faster. From is a Japanese company and you know how Japan loves its rules and customs. Who knows how annoying it is to get something this small done lol. Not every employee is a Miyazaki lol.
Every time I see a Zullie video I watch it, thinking "oh I'll just watch this real quick"
An hour later and I can't fucking stop watching Zullie's content
I heard about the bleed dog bug since yesterday. So when i got to mogh's side of nokron today on ng+ i decided i'd run past all the dogs to loot the area instead of engaging them... it didnt help and just made thigns worse being chased by half a dozen demidogs and 2-3 giant meat birds. Lost 1.5 million runes to them... (really shoulda used a branch talisman)
There's a flask tear that works like a branch without wasting it and lasts for a very long time. So unless you using it for cheese strats, run it so you can safely keep your runes when doing dangerous stuff or you wanna stop fighting a boss.
@@Raikos100 but ... but... if i put that in my flask i cant nuke things with comet azur!
In all seriousness tho i have a looot of branches to sacrifice and can make more, i was just beign a lil too reckless the one time. Also i'm at level 230+ and don't really use the runes anymore besides buying arrows cause if i level any higher i risk not being able to find anyone to summon since you can only summon people around your level(unless you have friends :') )
Lol the same exact thing happened to me I had around 1.2 mil runes.
what da dog doin
Can you talk about the ai input reading next. I think it would be an interesting subject to deep dive into and to see best ways to avoid some of the enemies smoking you because of it.
Honestly once I figured out certain actions from me provoke a punish attempt from enemies, I know to play around it for the most part. As in, "I can't safely heal unless this godskin asshole is in an attack animation or he'll toss a fireball my way, so I have to bait him to attack and get distance"
@@MattR8605 yeah it’s a good mechanic but it happening every single time can get annoying. I fought one of the dudes and trying to bait an attack and get distance all at once made the fight feel like a chore. Too much micromanagement. In bloodborne they had some ai input reading but it never felt as bad as this. IDK it’s a fun game but some of the stuff in it felt unnecessary to add just for some more difficulty.
@@kitzi4470 I mean, the general sentiment is understandable, but the main, advertised dish of this game is supposed to be it's genuine difficulty, if they just left out sophisticated methods of ruining your day we'd be stuck with bullet sponges.
@@slyseal2091 Yeah I don’t view input reading as actual difficulty. Granted I probably wouldn’t mind it if some of these bosses had less health or if the rolling felt better and quick. Like I said idk games fun but it feels like they’ve just stacked too much against the player for a “relaxed ride” of a game as they’ve advertised. I knew it was gonna be difficult when I got into the game just would be nice if some of the difficulty was similar to the difficulty in bloodborne or dark souls where they had little to none input reading.
It's a misunderstanding to call it input reading, it's actually animation reading. The game doesn't detect you pressing a button to heal and preemptively begin heal punishing you before you even start, the AI can read your current animation and rushes to punish you when it registers you're actively performing the heal animation.
Might be late to the party but glad to see your stuff on my feed again, and happy you're back at it. Thank you for the content, keep it up!