@@NitroKitKatIn competitve, every action u take, is tracked, so riot has the chance to prove if its a bug or not. So it must be a player error, competitive integrity is rly important for Riot, idk if u watch esport but yeah
@@NitroKitKatyeah I can agree 100 percent from the amount of times I’ve had heal flash when it should be ignite teleport.. Came back to league after 10 years and holy heeeeelll the launcher has so many bugs before you even start a game. Sometimes I can’t pick mid lane in conjunction with any other lane so I have to pick Jungle as my second role and I don’t jungle So then we end up loosing cause the game wouldn’t let me choose anything besides jungle as my 2nd role. Truly ridiculous
@@ronalynpua8176 might be a game sponsorship. If normal players follow these players, they would be tempted to buy the skin they use, especially in a tournament.
but the issue with the banning is there tho. any side might protest not to recreate the hero selection, but rather do a new one completeley, especially if a team already knows they are at a disadvantage based on their hero picks.
If it's about the skin issue, there's no problem with that, but if it's about the second part of the video about the smite issue, the other team would deem it very unfair.@@ducite9943
@@woojinbloo44they dont change anything its set in stone… just a game reset, nothing wrong there even if it wasn’t a bug.. its one minute and it doesnt change anything
@@TonicPotionTTV Not really if you think, his "official" salary is normally about a 20-25% of all his total income counting streams, media aparitions, sponsors and posible own merch.
fair, but salary is supposed to be the safe income right? The rest could amount to 0 in a terrible month. I mean I get you, but in normal businesses you would never see this. Imagine not getting salary because you forgot something at work.@@seikkv4371
@@BlanKMin It wasn't a competitive match, it was a showmatch between LCK midlaners and another role (I think LCK adcs), faker was the jungler for the LCK midlaners
from what I heard from the caster, Crazy didn't mistakenly pick the skin, he picked the correct skin, and a different one appeared in-game, which is not his fault at all however, for the smite/ignite case, at least from what was said, the player seems to have picked ignite on his own
@@xuryuu8800 Yes. Think of it as if you were ordering something, if the item is faulty you can request a refund however, if the item was damaged because of the customer's carelessness the item cannot be refunded (warranty can only be granted mostly if the item is faulty). In this case the skin appearance in game was bugged so it's a technical error from the game however, the summoner spell selection was completely human error from the player hence why they didn't give him a chance to remake that game for that reason.
It's actually so messed up that he lost a month of pay. NFL kickers miss kicks, basketball players miss layups, baseball players drop the ball. But they would never not get paid. A contract is a contract.
This mistake is similar to a badminton professional going to a competition while wearing slippers. He wasn't fined because he made a bad decision in the game/misclicked an ability during a fight; He was fined because he made a mistake that should not have happened (more similar to negligence).
This would be more like showing up to football without a helmet on. It was a dumb mistake, yeah, but at this level of play you shouldn't be making those kinds of mistakes.
more like going to the line of scrimmage with a full hockey goalie outfit on something that should just never happen because its due to negligence whereas NOW league has this pop up that says "the skin you selected did not load properly"
@@frostedfox8813 hard disagree. it is so easy to forget smite, it's a matter of a missed click after not jungling last game. 0.5 seconds of a mistake. it'd be more like that badminton professional losing their month's pay for tripping.
Depending on the game, a skin can actually give you an advantage as some of the skill effects can be less noticeable than other skin, the same goes the other way around
@@TerraLuna2001 well, you cant be ambushed if ur support is zombie brand because his movement changes when hes running towards an enemy. no matter if he can physically see them. some champions animation canceling is also easier with certain skins which results in an actual dps increase. also the skin was proven as a bug whilst not picking smite is a player mistake or a player choice.
And some skin actually puts your team at disadvantages. I've fallen for my teammate's skill that's colored bright red multiple times. I actually hate that skin, like it can really throw you off on a team fight
@@3twibles4sweetrevengeit's justified thou. Forgetting the smite was a player's mistake not a bug that's why it was denied. If it was really a bug then it will not be denied. Riot had video evidence to make sure that it was really a bug or not.
Obvi that's why he cared. Regardless, the first is a programming issue and was caused by a bug, hovering 1 skin and getting another in this case. The 2nd was a player error, forgetting to change his summoner spells, not a bug. Skill issue, play on.
To anyone that wants to argue: Literally this last World's a jungler forgot to buy items and it took him 2 whole camps to realize his mistake. Should the game be remade? I get not taking smite is literally game losing, and Riot pls fix that, but it's still player issue. Riot shouldn't remake that. You have 60 whole seconds to review everything after locking in before game loads.
@@Raindeux Exactly. How do you practice for months, even years, end up in esports, and then forget to equip such a vital skill in such an important game 😂
the difference is, having (or not having) Smite plays a huge role on the overall outcome of the match. Skins are just cosmetics and add no real value to the match
Actually some skins are banned in pro play, as they have some unfair advantages. iBlitzcrank being one, as the hook shows but the arm extension doesn't and it can be difficult to see properly
It's not about that, if it was, then stopping and remaking the game for a skin and not for wrong summoner would be idiotic. It's because the skin was a bug and the summoner was human error. Crazy picked one skin and he spawned in game with the other (also some shen skins are pay to lose because for example his sword is more visible so it's easier to track it's position) the other guy just picked ignite instead of smite so it was his fault.
@@archniki_ well it is possible, but you're losing out on a lot of XP since you'll be sharing lanes, not to mention your enemy jungler being free to claim all of those jungle creeps for himself, so he would level up faster than any other players in the match
Okay the ruling depends on if it was a client bug or not. Forgetting to take smite is not a bug. The wrong skin appearing in game is a client bug, there have been many situations where playere forget runes and where runes bug out. It varies depending on if the player fucked up or client did. They have video evidence of these things as well.
Select the wrong skin and forget to take smite are totally on different levels of issue. The other team would not mind if you want to change skin, but forgetting to take smite basically guarantee you always lose when it comes to taking dragons or baron.
While I fully understand your point, as a counterpoint the mistake was so punishing to the team that they may as well have called the game there as a loss. Even in low elo that mistake makes the game nearly unplayable and on the pro scene where the enemy knows how to abuse that to the fullest there wasn’t even a chance.
@@KhataFranciaThat there was no point in letting them proceed with the game as this single mistake doomed the match result. So not allowing a sum swap is an automatic win/loss and the game was pointless since the outcome has already been decided.
An error that wasn't the player's fault and could mean there are more bugs going on is definitely the same as a player forgetting to choose his correct summoner spells
your saying this as if you wouldn't be mad if you made a mistake, asked to have his mistake be fixed before it made an impact on the match, and got told no.
The skin thing was a bug, he selected the right skin in selection but got the wrong one in game. Naturally the game got remade cause something like that could imply there's a bug that could have other issues crop up visually.
@@hashiramasenju1839sigh, so many people being obtuse for no reason. Faker's situation was different because he was playing a FOR FUN EXHIBITION match, whereas Wei was playing a COMPETITIVE LPL match. as one was a for fun tournament with 'fun vibes' it makes sense for the refs to be less strict as there is nothing on the line besides the pride of the role. Wei's situation was in a competitive game which affected team standings and thus could have led to more winnings.
Well skins can also have an effect on the game, brighter skins are more noticable while camouflaged skins might be slightly harder to notice on time or hit
In the first game it's a known bug where your selected skin doest appear in game. I the second game he picked ignite, yes it was a mistake, but it's not a bug. It's basically the same as if he accidentally flashed or died 1v1, human mistakes are apart of the game.
Unless the skin for some reason provides an unfair disadvantage, it shouldn't matter what skin you have. Skins do no affect gameplay in any way, so restarting the match for that is crazy. Even if it was just a bug. The fact people are trying to rationalize that is crazy.
Idk about other games but in MLBB some skins actually do hv adv/disadvantages. Some assassins hv bright coloured skins making their skills easier to detect & evade by enemies. So yes, I'd say having skin bugs is detrimental & should be restarted but only if it's a *bug*
the second one reminds me of an arena of valor tournament with the jungler accidentally (or not) bringing flash instead of smite, who somehow ends up carrying the whole game
what about that time when jojo walked onto staged in crocs to play cause he likes crocs, and Rito literally delayed the game purely just to force him to change into shoes?
The reason why some choose specific skins or preferred specific skins on a champion is because some champion skins have visual effects that are easier to see in-game. Maybe that's why he wanted a specific skin on his Shen
Ya , some of the skins may have color advantages and / or effects. Then some skins are banned in some countries and there's also the superstition of a lucky skin.
Yeah, if it is something like during the first 10-20 seconds, then mayyyyybe. But it would be the same as if a laner said “I chose wrong spell”, it would be completely cheating. This situation only happened here because the first issue was a game bug, and the second was not a game bug. Both were found and concluded based on video recording of their screens and of the live cameras.
For everyone saying stuff like "Player error" and "A pro shouldn't pick the wrong skill" as a reply to the fine being too much, that's completely understandable however if the rules were completely set and didn't need to be looked over then there wouldn't have been a long pause and the request would've been instantly accepted or denied so it shouldn't have been on the player as there should've been no point in the request needing that long to be reviewed.
If you always play with the same skin it can make you feel a lot more comfortable to use it, it can also impact visibility positively or negatively based on colours and animation effects.
The skin thing might be more serious bc some skins are banned in pro play for having abilities that are vague or harder to see. Not taking smite however can be massive as I’m pretty sure the offending player was fined multiple months of his salary for that mistake.
You're completely missing the context. Crazy didn't PICK the wrong skin, he chose the right skin, but the wrong one appeared, as in a glitch. The ignite thing was him just not picking smite.
I think in Overwatch, well at least back in OWL, players werent allowed to use skins outside of their teams colors. Im not sure if whether it was their league skins, that cost tokens or just a color change in game. I also dont think they were allowed skins in contenders/tourneys and it was customary in scrims as well. Probably changing now with OWCS, its a lot more lenient on the rules.
Those are two completely different scenarios. One is a player claiming the game incorrectly gave him a skin, a choice that doesn’t affect gameplay. The other is a player negligently choosing the wrong summoner spells, something that greatly affects gameplay
one of the challenger creators i watch plays with specific skins because of the sound effects, seems like not that big of an issue but i can see how it could be for some players that are used to certain skins
It is more better than the tournament we played in. They let out opponent repick all their heroes to counter us. Sadly they delete that live video but the audience booing the entire production is satisfying. 😌
I can see it. One is cosmetic and one is a mechanic (ability). Granted, it was before combat was initiated in both points so LOGICALLY it shouldn't be an issue (especially with jugglers being forced to have smite now days, unless that got changed again).
I mean, there is a glitch with the skins where it'll show you the skin and say you're wearing it but it isn't the one that is being displayed which you won't be able to see until it's too late which could have been valid for a restart. The smite is the dudes fault unfortunately and is probably why they weren't granted a restart.
They should have let the game restart when the jungler realised he didnt have smite lol, the game had only just started and nothing major or match deciding had happened yet and a jungler without smite is absolutely game changing
There are cases of skins actually giving other players an advantage. Just think Fortnite and the flashy skins compared to the normal no flash ones and you can imagine which sticks out more
Having the wrong summoner spell cause you are stupid is one thing. Having the wrong skin because the game didnt give you the correct one is something else. Cause even though it might not seem like it, some skins have visuals that make it harder to see spells or give you the wrong idea about a spells size.
They should have a significant grace period after champ select for the coach and refs to double check settings, skins, runes, and spells for each player. Could be like 2-3 minutes, it'll prevent those 30+ minute delays from restarting the game.
Did you notice the nationality of those players. An American chooses the wrong skin we continue on. In China they require you to represent China and any mistakes result in massive penalties.
I feel like skins are kinda important cause some skins make you stick out more in the screen and some blend well with the map. I mean yeah, there’s the health bar on top of the character but idk maybe it helps
Granted the smite was a player error i would expect some form of amnesty, we've all played jungle and forgotten to take smite at some point or another, especially if you played when it didn't auto select smite for you. Even if the amnesty was something like offering the enemy the option to agree to remake so the opposing team can take smite or reversely accept the advantage of no smite to win.
Skin shouldn't have any effect on the matcg in a game like this, but if he uses a certain skin in tournaments, it will be part of the visual identity of the team - tournament hosts certainly *do* care about ad revenue/sponsorships that they get some kickback from. If someone chose the wong skill and wanted to switch midgame to something that *will* increase their performance, that's when the line gets drawn.
Well it sounds like the skin thing was a bug, and the smite thing was player error.
Jgler here . Sometimes , just like runes , summoner spells dont save ...
@@NitroKitKat You only play quick matches, right?
@@henriqueff1 draft only
@@NitroKitKatIn competitve, every action u take, is tracked, so riot has the chance to prove if its a bug or not.
So it must be a player error, competitive integrity is rly important for Riot, idk if u watch esport but yeah
@@NitroKitKatyeah I can agree 100 percent from the amount of times I’ve had heal flash when it should be ignite teleport..
Came back to league after 10 years and holy heeeeelll the launcher has so many bugs before you even start a game.
Sometimes I can’t pick mid lane in conjunction with any other lane so I have to pick Jungle as my second role and I don’t jungle
So then we end up loosing cause the game wouldn’t let me choose anything besides jungle as my 2nd role.
Truly ridiculous
He picked the skin he wanted but a different one appeared when the game started.
Still he doesnt belong on pro scene just for minor thing
@@ronalynpua8176whomp whomp
They rigged him
@@ronalynpua8176 might be a game sponsorship. If normal players follow these players, they would be tempted to buy the skin they use, especially in a tournament.
Not really
"hey yo, i forgot to change my runes bro"
😂
"well looks like you aint getting paid this month" apparently
Its a professional Match we can't let you change mid game
@@propablyconfused Bitch watch the match.
"Why do you have aftershock on Talon?"
If it happens within the first 30 seconds to a minute, I feel that it’s justified
but the issue with the banning is there tho. any side might protest not to recreate the hero selection, but rather do a new one completeley, especially if a team already knows they are at a disadvantage based on their hero picks.
@woojinbloo44 it is a game reset not a draft reset
If it's about the skin issue, there's no problem with that, but if it's about the second part of the video about the smite issue, the other team would deem it very unfair.@@ducite9943
@@woojinbloo44they dont change anything its set in stone… just a game reset, nothing wrong there even if it wasn’t a bug.. its one minute and it doesnt change anything
Especially since some skins change the animations and looks of skillshots A LOT and can be harder to see
The guy having to sacrifice his salary is wild tho.
Yeah, a whole month is insane to me
@@TonicPotionTTV Not really if you think, his "official" salary is normally about a 20-25% of all his total income counting streams, media aparitions, sponsors and posible own merch.
fair, but salary is supposed to be the safe income right? The rest could amount to 0 in a terrible month. I mean I get you, but in normal businesses you would never see this. Imagine not getting salary because you forgot something at work.@@seikkv4371
@@seikkv4371unless he doesnt stream or make that much money off media?
bought by the CCP a salary fine is on the low side of punishments
While a couple weeks ago, Faker forgot to take smite.
But it was in a less serious occasion, so it was more laughs than anything
Faker is a mid laner why would he want to take smite anyway?
@@BlanKMin It wasn't a competitive match, it was a showmatch between LCK midlaners and another role (I think LCK adcs), faker was the jungler for the LCK midlaners
@@thecosmicmyth2164 yep
@@BlanKMinsomeone doesnt watch lck full enough
Because it was a showmatch for fun
from what I heard from the caster, Crazy didn't mistakenly pick the skin, he picked the correct skin, and a different one appeared in-game, which is not his fault at all
however, for the smite/ignite case, at least from what was said, the player seems to have picked ignite on his own
humans mak mistakes and forgetting smite is gamelosing most of the time
So they can restart a game for a fxcking skin but not smite?
@@xuryuu8800 Yes.
Think of it as if you were ordering something, if the item is faulty you can request a refund however, if the item was damaged because of the customer's carelessness the item cannot be refunded (warranty can only be granted mostly if the item is faulty).
In this case the skin appearance in game was bugged so it's a technical error from the game however, the summoner spell selection was completely human error from the player hence why they didn't give him a chance to remake that game for that reason.
@@xuryuu8800Basically yeah. That's why it called "professional"
Bug are mistake of the game.
@@xuryuu8800it's like changing a hero bro/sis
Don't Forget that some skins are banned in Tournaments.
can you please tell me why. if it's such a big difference?
I don't play the game I just get shorts recommended since I watch similar types of videos.
@@MataOKsome skin have advantage with their skill effect colour that blend well with the environment, so it hard to see and dodge.
@@GoingRogues ah I understand. thanks
@@GoingRogues I think they are pros so they could handle it... Or should... Because that's the game and "they are best of the best"
@@slider1073 bro, they cant even handle given the wrong skin and forgot taking smite.
It's actually so messed up that he lost a month of pay. NFL kickers miss kicks, basketball players miss layups, baseball players drop the ball. But they would never not get paid. A contract is a contract.
This mistake is similar to a badminton professional going to a competition while wearing slippers. He wasn't fined because he made a bad decision in the game/misclicked an ability during a fight; He was fined because he made a mistake that should not have happened (more similar to negligence).
This would be more like showing up to football without a helmet on. It was a dumb mistake, yeah, but at this level of play you shouldn't be making those kinds of mistakes.
more like going to the line of scrimmage with a full hockey goalie outfit on
something that should just never happen because its due to negligence
whereas NOW league has this pop up that says "the skin you selected did not load properly"
@@frostedfox8813 hard disagree. it is so easy to forget smite, it's a matter of a missed click after not jungling last game. 0.5 seconds of a mistake. it'd be more like that badminton professional losing their month's pay for tripping.
@@entitledindustries9135He had a lot of time to get Smite and he didn't. So yes, it is negligence and should be punished.
Depending on the game, a skin can actually give you an advantage as some of the skill effects can be less noticeable than other skin, the same goes the other way around
I think not having smite as jg is more game changing than a skin....
@@TerraLuna2001 well, you cant be ambushed if ur support is zombie brand because his movement changes when hes running towards an enemy. no matter if he can physically see them.
some champions animation canceling is also easier with certain skins which results in an actual dps increase.
also the skin was proven as a bug whilst not picking smite is a player mistake or a player choice.
@@Schon1Kevin well if proven a bug the Ok ig
@@TerraLuna2001The problem is forgetting smite is Human Error that's why it was denied.
And some skin actually puts your team at disadvantages. I've fallen for my teammate's skill that's colored bright red multiple times. I actually hate that skin, like it can really throw you off on a team fight
I want to see the day were politicians and managers are fined for making a mistake at their jobs.
Yes please
Are you talking about corruption or just mistake
@@andrewcacayan8136 both, depending on severity
The skin mix-up was likely a bug, but the smite choice was definitely player error. In pro tournaments, every detail can make a big difference.
Bro is everywhere
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I cant believe you people are justifying this
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@@3twibles4sweetrevengeit's justified thou. Forgetting the smite was a player's mistake not a bug that's why it was denied. If it was really a bug then it will not be denied. Riot had video evidence to make sure that it was really a bug or not.
I think it's a valid reason since some skin has better animation
Obvi that's why he cared.
Regardless, the first is a programming issue and was caused by a bug, hovering 1 skin and getting another in this case.
The 2nd was a player error, forgetting to change his summoner spells, not a bug. Skill issue, play on.
To anyone that wants to argue: Literally this last World's a jungler forgot to buy items and it took him 2 whole camps to realize his mistake. Should the game be remade?
I get not taking smite is literally game losing, and Riot pls fix that, but it's still player issue. Riot shouldn't remake that. You have 60 whole seconds to review everything after locking in before game loads.
@@Raindeux Exactly. How do you practice for months, even years, end up in esports, and then forget to equip such a vital skill in such an important game 😂
@@RaindeuxActually nope. The reason is because not taking smite is a player's error rather than a bug. Unlike the Skin is a bug.
I literally can’t play rumble with any skin besides the default one
the difference is, having (or not having) Smite plays a huge role on the overall outcome of the match. Skins are just cosmetics and add no real value to the match
Actually some skins are banned in pro play, as they have some unfair advantages. iBlitzcrank being one, as the hook shows but the arm extension doesn't and it can be difficult to see properly
@@LiquidSan iblitzcrank are legal to play now
It's not about that, if it was, then stopping and remaking the game for a skin and not for wrong summoner would be idiotic. It's because the skin was a bug and the summoner was human error. Crazy picked one skin and he spawned in game with the other (also some shen skins are pay to lose because for example his sword is more visible so it's easier to track it's position) the other guy just picked ignite instead of smite so it was his fault.
I think its possible to play without jungle lmao
@@archniki_ well it is possible, but you're losing out on a lot of XP since you'll be sharing lanes, not to mention your enemy jungler being free to claim all of those jungle creeps for himself, so he would level up faster than any other players in the match
Okay the ruling depends on if it was a client bug or not. Forgetting to take smite is not a bug. The wrong skin appearing in game is a client bug, there have been many situations where playere forget runes and where runes bug out. It varies depending on if the player fucked up or client did. They have video evidence of these things as well.
We Don't Talk About That Chun li mod in That Street Fighter 6 Tournament 😂
The months salary fine would LITERALLY kill me and my dad
A skin can make someone play better but a miss click on a character can cost u the actual game
Bro paused an online game 💀
At first, I was calling foul, but if you're used to looking at a particular skin, it will impact your performance for certain.
Definitely. It was also a bug that occurred, so he had every right to ask for a remake.
"I forgot to wear my lucky gstring, paused so i can do a change "
Totally legit if you actually put it on in the morning and for some reason it disappeared before game-time.
The fact that a full on professional player, on live tv, forgot to equip smite makes me feel way better about my own mess-ups lol
Select the wrong skin and forget to take smite are totally on different levels of issue. The other team would not mind if you want to change skin, but forgetting to take smite basically guarantee you always lose when it comes to taking dragons or baron.
Yes but thats Not the issue. One Thing was a Game bug and the other a Player mistake. You cannot restart a Game because of a Player mistake
Simple. The wrong skin was a BUG but the forgetting to take smite was a Player's error.
“guys i messed up can we restart”
This is pro level tournament, if u accidently pick the wrong loadout thats on you.
While I fully understand your point, as a counterpoint the mistake was so punishing to the team that they may as well have called the game there as a loss. Even in low elo that mistake makes the game nearly unplayable and on the pro scene where the enemy knows how to abuse that to the fullest there wasn’t even a chance.
@@sephirothslayer1152yes but if they are really a pro player, they should know how to check everything including the spells.
@@sephirothslayer1152what's... What's the counterpoint?
@@KhataFranciaThat there was no point in letting them proceed with the game as this single mistake doomed the match result. So not allowing a sum swap is an automatic win/loss and the game was pointless since the outcome has already been decided.
An error that wasn't the player's fault and could mean there are more bugs going on is definitely the same as a player forgetting to choose his correct summoner spells
homie literally had one job
signs of love for background music is craxy
2nd situation is player error, when you're a pro, you are expected and paid to not make this mistake.
But a fine of one month’s salary is insane
your saying this as if you wouldn't be mad if you made a mistake, asked to have his mistake be fixed before it made an impact on the match, and got told no.
At least it wasn't the player who forgot to turn off their special Chun-Li mod during the tournament 💀
Taking the wrong skill is a skill issue, wrong skin could be a bug.
in this years tournaments faker also forgot smite but he didn't suffered any consequences but instead the game was remade
The skin thing was a bug, he selected the right skin in selection but got the wrong one in game. Naturally the game got remade cause something like that could imply there's a bug that could have other issues crop up visually.
@@hashiramasenju1839 it was a showmatch lol. It doesnt amount to anything
@@hashiramasenju1839sigh, so many people being obtuse for no reason. Faker's situation was different because he was playing a FOR FUN EXHIBITION match, whereas Wei was playing a COMPETITIVE LPL match. as one was a for fun tournament with 'fun vibes' it makes sense for the refs to be less strict as there is nothing on the line besides the pride of the role. Wei's situation was in a competitive game which affected team standings and thus could have led to more winnings.
@@hashiramasenju1839Faker is playing For Fun Match but Wui is playing Competitive Match. That's the difference.
I didn’t realize how strict the pros can be if a player won’t get paid for a month if he takes the wrong spell and they lose 🥶
Sign of love in background W
In LoL skins actually make some difference, because some of them change the hitboxes of the campions slightly.
2nd guy is a definite denied it's different when comes to a hero the game is gonna move forward
Well skins can also have an effect on the game, brighter skins are more noticable while camouflaged skins might be slightly harder to notice on time or hit
Amd then there's Street fighter 6 where they forgot to turn off the mod for Chun-Li
Some skins are pay to win or lose based on color of particles that depending on the skin makes it easier or harder to see abilities.
In the first game it's a known bug where your selected skin doest appear in game.
I the second game he picked ignite, yes it was a mistake, but it's not a bug. It's basically the same as if he accidentally flashed or died 1v1, human mistakes are apart of the game.
They do this when the opposing picks are better
"Restart the game, I forgot to counter the mid pick."
Unless the skin for some reason provides an unfair disadvantage, it shouldn't matter what skin you have. Skins do no affect gameplay in any way, so restarting the match for that is crazy. Even if it was just a bug. The fact people are trying to rationalize that is crazy.
Skin is more likely a bug but the smite? Naaaaah.
It's pretty simple. Look at what the players picked and compare it to the game.
One is a bug while the other is players own fault
@@joonastalvinen exactly.
“Guys I think I started the wrong game”
DENIED
don't pick smite = lose the game
that's such a fundamental gameplay design flaw that carried over forever
LMAO ARE YOU TROLLING 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Skin really can boost your skill for example some skin effects make the hero skills look smoother
Idk about other games but in MLBB some skins actually do hv adv/disadvantages. Some assassins hv bright coloured skins making their skills easier to detect & evade by enemies. So yes, I'd say having skin bugs is detrimental & should be restarted but only if it's a *bug*
Having the wrong skin can definitely put you off
The skin bug still happens to this day as well lol. Happens to me at least once a month.
the second one reminds me of an arena of valor tournament with the jungler accidentally (or not) bringing flash instead of smite, who somehow ends up carrying the whole game
Imagine being in worlds semi finals and suddenly you hear "Oops, I accidentally took Nunu with Ghost"
Friendly reminder Arcade Sona is banned from tournaments
It Is? It's Because of the Indicators?
what about that time when jojo walked onto staged in crocs to play cause he likes crocs, and Rito literally delayed the game purely just to force him to change into shoes?
The reason why some choose specific skins or preferred specific skins on a champion is because some champion skins have visual effects that are easier to see in-game. Maybe that's why he wanted a specific skin on his Shen
Ya , some of the skins may have color advantages and / or effects. Then some skins are banned in some countries and there's also the superstition of a lucky skin.
Definitely, but it could also just be what he preferred. If a bug happens, it is always within your reason to ask for a remake.
I feel this makes sense if the change can be made quickly then it’s acceptable but if it takes for too long, then that’s not excusable
Yeah, if it is something like during the first 10-20 seconds, then mayyyyybe. But it would be the same as if a laner said “I chose wrong spell”, it would be completely cheating. This situation only happened here because the first issue was a game bug, and the second was not a game bug. Both were found and concluded based on video recording of their screens and of the live cameras.
This is one of the worst rules, it's literally free advertising for them.
Making errors leads to loss.
Having bugs appear should lead to remakes.
I dont see the problem here, big w for the judges
For everyone saying stuff like "Player error" and "A pro shouldn't pick the wrong skill" as a reply to the fine being too much, that's completely understandable however if the rules were completely set and didn't need to be looked over then there wouldn't have been a long pause and the request would've been instantly accepted or denied so it shouldn't have been on the player as there should've been no point in the request needing that long to be reviewed.
difference is in one case the SELECTED skin didn't appear. The other is FORGOTTEN. Not the same.
Correct.
If you always play with the same skin it can make you feel a lot more comfortable to use it, it can also impact visibility positively or negatively based on colours and animation effects.
100%
"wrong skin"
Yeah dont pick the wrong skin guys 💀
In dota 2, a player named insania picked the wrong hero because he thought it was still a banning time.
LMAO
I wish my junglers would get fined irl like this.
The skin thing might be more serious bc some skins are banned in pro play for having abilities that are vague or harder to see.
Not taking smite however can be massive as I’m pretty sure the offending player was fined multiple months of his salary for that mistake.
Man had his priorities
Overwatch tournament: umm... can we restart the game pls? I forgot to give my Mercy the skin... The barefooted one.
being fined a months salary for a mistake is WILD
You're completely missing the context. Crazy didn't PICK the wrong skin, he chose the right skin, but the wrong one appeared, as in a glitch. The ignite thing was him just not picking smite.
The thing is, if you don’t have the skin you are used to, it can throw you off. I know from experience
"You had one job"
Jungler not picking smite is like water not watering
lmao yep
People that think You don't get used to a skin are crazy. The difference was first situation was a bug and second was a mistake
I think in Overwatch, well at least back in OWL, players werent allowed to use skins outside of their teams colors. Im not sure if whether it was their league skins, that cost tokens or just a color change in game. I also dont think they were allowed skins in contenders/tourneys and it was customary in scrims as well. Probably changing now with OWCS, its a lot more lenient on the rules.
The SF6 Chun Li incident
Even if it wasnt a bug. The skin was just optical change, the smite though is literally a game changing change
This reminds me of the Chun-Li incident
Those are two completely different scenarios. One is a player claiming the game incorrectly gave him a skin, a choice that doesn’t affect gameplay. The other is a player negligently choosing the wrong summoner spells, something that greatly affects gameplay
Imagine the intense regret he felt :(
thats crazy, in fgc tournaments, usually pausing(even accidentally) at anytime is a forfeit.
Pausing for a bug is normal competitive behaviour.
Skins should be explicitly prohibited in esports
one of the challenger creators i watch plays with specific skins because of the sound effects, seems like not that big of an issue but i can see how it could be for some players that are used to certain skins
If a bug happens, you can always request a remake
It is more better than the tournament we played in. They let out opponent repick all their heroes to counter us. Sadly they delete that live video but the audience booing the entire production is satisfying. 😌
I can see it. One is cosmetic and one is a mechanic (ability). Granted, it was before combat was initiated in both points so LOGICALLY it shouldn't be an issue (especially with jugglers being forced to have smite now days, unless that got changed again).
I mean, there is a glitch with the skins where it'll show you the skin and say you're wearing it but it isn't the one that is being displayed which you won't be able to see until it's too late which could have been valid for a restart. The smite is the dudes fault unfortunately and is probably why they weren't granted a restart.
They should have let the game restart when the jungler realised he didnt have smite lol, the game had only just started and nothing major or match deciding had happened yet and a jungler without smite is absolutely game changing
Nah man let him choose skin, you got a get into your groove
There are cases of skins actually giving other players an advantage. Just think Fortnite and the flashy skins compared to the normal no flash ones and you can imagine which sticks out more
for those who dont know the second guy is a 2 time msi champion jungler
Yup. He caused an entire game loss for his whole team as well as his coach and everyone else working for the team. It was a very big mistake.
Having the wrong summoner spell cause you are stupid is one thing. Having the wrong skin because the game didnt give you the correct one is something else.
Cause even though it might not seem like it, some skins have visuals that make it harder to see spells or give you the wrong idea about a spells size.
They should have a significant grace period after champ select for the coach and refs to double check settings, skins, runes, and spells for each player. Could be like 2-3 minutes, it'll prevent those 30+ minute delays from restarting the game.
Did you notice the nationality of those players. An American chooses the wrong skin we continue on. In China they require you to represent China and any mistakes result in massive penalties.
2024 LCK season first pause, "Faker. THE FAKER forgot to take smite and he was playing jungle." 😂😂😂😂
In LCK it is a Fun Match but in LPL it's a Tournament Match so it's his fault to not change his Spell..
@@cyruss9455 heh? What?
A cosmetic appearance was more important apparently 😭🤣
I feel like skins are kinda important cause some skins make you stick out more in the screen and some blend well with the map. I mean yeah, there’s the health bar on top of the character but idk maybe it helps
The forgetting smite one hurts
Never forget Police volibear ... lol
Granted the smite was a player error i would expect some form of amnesty, we've all played jungle and forgotten to take smite at some point or another, especially if you played when it didn't auto select smite for you. Even if the amnesty was something like offering the enemy the option to agree to remake so the opposing team can take smite or reversely accept the advantage of no smite to win.
They should allow a match remake but limit it to only one for each team per match regardless of reason.
No. You can pause or remake any game if a bug occurs with your software or hardware. You cannot remake a game for any other reason.
The difference is; mistake from the game = riots fault, player forgetting to click smite = 2 min noodles for a month
Hey i don't play lol so i want to know if even skins matter in gameplay
The guy was likely already a millionaire, I don’t think it mattered as much as that 😂
Skin shouldn't have any effect on the matcg in a game like this, but if he uses a certain skin in tournaments, it will be part of the visual identity of the team - tournament hosts certainly *do* care about ad revenue/sponsorships that they get some kickback from.
If someone chose the wong skill and wanted to switch midgame to something that *will* increase their performance, that's when the line gets drawn.