This Subaru CVT is really well engineered for right gear at right condition without lagging. Throttle reaponse is immediate. Much better than most automatics.This is the future for cars to have both fun and fuel economy.
No its not lmfao. Ive owned a cvt rex for almost 2 years now and it is by far one of the worst CVT's ive ever driven. Hondas Civics CVTs are better than the rexs.
If you want a CVT, buy it. Who gives a shit what people say about it. It's your car. I personally love my 2020 CVT WRX. It's nice to just put it in 1 gear and go and not have to worry about shifting or clutches, etc. Be proud that you have a CVT
Exactly I'mna but one day because I have a 2010 legacy cvt and it goes beast when it wants to even though it only has 175 to 178 HP but I want a wrx or a new legacy because they have over 200hp
The most important thing about WRX CVT that nobody mentioning is that this CVT has true AWD with center planetary differential (not symmetrical🤣) + VTD system which gives you 45front/55rear all the time. Currently you can only get this type of CVT with WRX. Even Ascent doesn't have it.
@@Brandonmac-kg6xo yeah, it is faster than the manual 0-60 for 90% of drivers out there since magazine results are best times of multiple runs with a 5 mph rollout; humans tend to not be as fast as something THAT DOESN'T FUCKING SHIFT AT ALL. So outside of perfect shifts, the 1-2 shift will put most people behind the CVT, which is only 0.1 seconds slower to 60. Good thing you knew that and corrected them. Good job making sure bullshit shit talking doesn't happen to the CVT. You are a real car enthusiast that doesn't discriminate. Real support to the entire car community. Unless you are a absolute fucking moron who doesn't care about science or facts and think the earth is flat with an ice wall around it or some crazy shit. PS: Give me a 7 speed with an actual overdrive gear for highway cruising on the STI and I'll be happy. Prefer manual personally, but to each their own. Some people HAVE ONE GOD DAMNED LEG or maybe broke a leg, are weak from illness, like being in the fucking ICU. FFS morons that hate on any kind of auto need to take their head out of the ass and their dicks out of their mouths and get a fucking clue. Have a great day!
Jimbo Jones yes manual mode on a cvt does just that. the majority of car enthusiasts prefer manual because they are more fun and take way more skill to drive. you can't have half the fun in a cvt as you could a manual imo
Almost every car I've owned has been a manual, and I prefer them, but... I have to say, I personally really like the CVT.. I guess that makes me less of a gear head :)
Its all about moving forward , lol pardon the pun , the car industry has introduced certain technologies by momentous amounts , this CVT is one of the most intelligent technologies for Subaru , it also provides XT Foresters with near the same giddy up hp as WRX , bravo Subaru for your vision of the future and continued success in class leading vehicles , for the CVT haters out there , there are manual units available.
Yeah the CVT has nothing to do with the horsepower lol. I'm doubting the acceleration is much better in a CVT than it was in a standard automatic either. Soo.. you don't know what you're talking about?
I own a 2015 wrx CVT. I enjoy every bit of it... Manual wasn't an option for me as I drive approx 25 miles every day in stop and go traffic and my wife needs to drive it occasionally. She loves the car as well. I am sure manual is fun, but in stop and go traffic automatic is a better option. Great car subaru....
Subhadip Chakraborty who says it's a better option? I've been driving a manual since 16 and even took my driver's lisence test in a 5 speed manual. for 5 years I drove my 500whp EVO IX with an aftermarket clutch in heavy Los Angeles traffic 6 days a week. still have the EVO but only as a weekend car and now I use my new wrx 6 speed manual as my daily driver.....it's not a big deal in traffic but hey I've never driven an automatic so I never noticed or cared.
Try driving 30 miles every day over a mountain with frequent traffic jams. 10 miles uphill in stop and go traffic requires hundreds of shifts. After a few years of that, it's tiring and annoying. I've been doing that drive for over 5 years in manual transmission cars. I've had enough. The WRX CVT is a great compromise. I still get the great handling car, manual shifting if I want using paddles, and many different auto driving modes. I can also get safety features not offered with the MT.
I'm disappointed there wasn't a good driver POV shot of a 0-60 run. CVTs have a potential to deliver amazing acceleration at low to medium speed so long as they're tuned properly.
as of right now the cvt 0-60 is about .3-.4 seconds slower and the 1/4 mile is half a second slower on paper at 14.5 seconds stock compared to 14 flat with a standard. I work at a dealer that has a subaru franchise, mind i'm certified for our ford fanchise though. I plan to pick up a 2018 with this setup simply because i have standard classic cars and enjoy an easy ride with my daily which is what i plan to make this one.
NasferatuTheImmortal The difference in the 0-60 and the 1/4 mile is the launch. The manual is quicker off the line. WIth the manual, you can get the RPMs high and build up the turbo boost. WIth the CVT, you can use launch mode, but it's still slower initially. But after the initial slower launch, the CVT is quicker than the manual. Check the speed at 1/4 mile. The CVT, while having a slightly slower time, is going faster at the end of the 1/4 mile. So, in real world driving situations (like passing) where the car is already moving, the CVT is slightly faster.
I was learning the mt in my brothers nova years ago. He moved , so I never finished learning how to drive an mt. :( I've driven many cars over the years. From suburbans to a Mini Cooper . One thing I've always loved was driving fast. When I saw the wrx , I fell in love. It's an understated beast of a car. It's not flashy at all. So , I loved it for that reason. The dealership only had one with an mt on the lot. So I drove shotgun for the test drive. I was sold !!!! The way this car moves is amazing and what I've always wanted. I ended up buying the 2017 limited in black . This car is fast . To hell with mt... you don't need it with this car. I'm. Not a legit car enthusiast, I just need to be able to move on the road. This car is powerful , fast and gorgeous ! Perfection :)
Justin, it's nice to see that you were able to be objective about the CVT even though your a manual transmission gearhead. I consider myself one as well, but purchased the CVT. I don't think it's quite as good as a manual, but there were reasons other than just pure driving satisfaction that weighed on my decision. Although it's not quite as good as a manual, as automatics go, it's damn good.
I love mines jus got a 2016 premium edition cvt since da 2016 and 2017 is basically the same. Still breaking it in and the power is awesome so far. I got a 2017 Audi A4 also which is very powerful. Cnt wait til I reach 1000 miles to really test out da WRX.
I'd love to have an WRX in manual but I just know I'll find it obnoxious down the road. I see this as a great candidate to replace my 2008 Legacy which has a hundred less HP and doesn't look nearly as sporty. This would definitely provide some fun pick up but yet still be a practical driver. If I could have two cars I would get this in stick, but since I'll likely be stuck with 1 car I'd rather it be an automatic. With a little pick up of course.
anyone that says they only drive manuals because they are true gearheads are usually the same guys that spend most of their time in mall parking lots looking at their cars, anyone who actually enjoys driving fast will take what ever option does that better.
sandy wallace stop being a girl. it's not about going fast it's about the raw experience and feel when driving. ya sure an automatic is faster that's why the GTR has one but faster shifts doesn't make it fun.
Mike Hundredson did you watch the video or fully understand my comment that was related to the video? they assumed that only true gear heads drive manual. drive what you enjoy, I took a shot at that not manual vs auto enjoyment. also replying with don't be a girl will never help your argument.
sandy wallace - I bought the CVT WRX. It's a great car and it's fun to drive, but for pure excitement, driving the manual WRX is more fun. It's not just hype. Driving a sports car, shifting at just the right places, clutching just right while matching RPMs, is difficult to get perfect, but fun to try. As someone else mentioned, most manual drives think that they are highly skilled at shifting, but few really are. You buy a MT because of the simplicity, reliability, and pure fun. You buy the CVT if you need an auto transmission.
Actually regarding your comment on fuel economy, the manual transmission in this particular case does get better fuel economy according to the EPA. The 2016 is rated at 20/27 for the manual and the CVT is rated at 18/24 for the 2016
Yu Liu I'm getting similar in mine as well. 26.4 mpg city and 39.8 highway obviously this is while driving like a granny. when I'm raping it I get 18 city 21 highway
Fart Knocker I'm averaging 26 MPG (CVT) on my daily commute, which involves going over a mountain and frequent traffic jams. It's about 50% city driving. If I baby the throttle, I've gotten 29 MPG on that trip.
Why people gotta hate what another person drives , I never understood this. If you want a manual ,get yourself a manual, if you want the CVT , then do that. Why manual drivers gotta attack those with CVT's ?
Evo - Some people NEED to know that they have the best, the fastest. Accepting a CVT means that the MT is only the best for them. Some people's egos can't handle that.
because only a man child who's worried that he isn't manly enough for the girls in the parking lot, is making fun of someone for having a CVT... LOL it's pathetic, same type of guys who buy a huge truck, put huge wheels on them, and then race from stop light to stop light while pulling one off
compensation syndrome. These people: don't wear pink, only drive manuals, wear too much cologne, have huge mustaches, hate themselves at night, are jealous/envious of someone who doesn't give a fuck what others think and still tries to throw shade, ... etc. These idiots have complained to car companies so much, they've made engineers RUIN the CVT by adding 'stepped gearing patterns' to 'simulate a normal auto' because the general public are a bunch of dumbasses who don't understand efficiency and power, and how the CVT will put you in one or the other based on demand from your right foot. It is absolutely moronic the car goes into stepped gearing above 30/40% throttle for its respective setting. Put that fucker at peak power and let it sit until I back off like it is supposed to do or people should just buy a manual (since a normal auto isn't available) if they want to shift/feel shifts imo. 'we designed this amazing transmission' 'yeah, but people complain, RUIN it, instead of informing them of the advantages and why its awesome. Imagine airplane engines being stepped because people are used to that for acceleration LOL I had a CVT Honda for a while, 50 mpg to go with my 17 mpg 6 speed RX8, friends/family said it sounded like riding in a jet :p
Thank you Subaru for perfecting the automatic transmission some people just like to enjoy seamless driving without having to shift a manual transmission without substituting on performance. Maybe now all these manual lovers can just chill and realize there not always better or faster. The future of going fast practicality and fuel economy is in the Automatic transmission just looks what Lexus and Mitsubishi have to offer as well. Good job Subaru can't wait for the 2017 Wagon with these features.
I think what makes people most upset is not that Subaru offers the WRX in an automatic option. Now this isn't the first time they have offered a WRX in a automatic option but I believe it's the fact that it's a CVT! Subaru should have made this car with a dual clutch automatic like other sport cars out there. The CVT is obviously less expensive then then Dual Clutch but if you ask me I'd rather spend the extra money on a dual clutch is having a manual was not an option for reasons like stop and go traffic like many of you have stated. Just seems like Subaru went really cheap with the transmission choice and I hope they replace this CVT with a Dual Clutch Automatic in the near future.
I drive a truck for a living. I get sick of changing gears and after 10 - 12 hours a day of it. The paddles of the CVT give you "manual feel" without the loss of power from the clutch. I prefer them over manuals now. Especially after beating manuals consistently from a stop start because there's no clutch. How many gears do you go through on the highway? Most people who don't like auto's have never driven one with paddles and used them.
The CVT WRX is a great car but for enthusiasts looking to modify the car like the majority of the WRX/STi drivers, the CVT is not for you. I personally have a 15 CVT and I've been trying to do modifications to it responsibly. So far I've done the intake, BOV, axleback exhaust and running on Cobb AP stage 1+ map. Was looking forward to going stage 2 with a down/J pipe but the guys at Cobb said they are not releasing any stage 2 tunes/maps for the CVT because the transmission is limited to at around 310lbs of torgue... the CVT gave out on their test car at around that point so they highly recommended staying at just stage 1+ and nothing pass it. I am still pretty bummed about it so I'm starting to think about trading it in this summer for the 6 spd..
I would have thought that a twin clutch system like they use on the GTR or Evo would have made more sense. That said I'm going to go test drive one and see for myself.
anyone wanting to buy the cvt thinking its better on fuel i can tell you no its not i had the cvt wrx and got bored after 6 months now i have the manual and i can say that it does better fuel than than cvt and not by a little either.
I fail to see the point in these tests/opinions which are subjective. If you prefer a Manual by all means buy one. I have good personal reasons for buying the CVT and it should not concern anyone else. 😎
How do paddle shifters work on a CVT transmission? Are there preset gear ratios that will be engaged on a "shift"? I don't have much experience driving a CVT car, I would think the car would automatically control the gear ratios with the pulleys to get optimal performance,
Yes, the CVT has preset ratios that the paddles "shift" to. I and S modes have six preset ratios, and S# has eight. The CVT is programmed to mimic a quick shifting automatic under certain conditions, and it's very good at it. (I own one, so I'm not just talking out my arse here.)
Brian Sullins my fiance just got a Forester a few months ago with the CVT. First time I had been in a CVT car. I expected not much "engine revving" and fairly constant rpms. But it feels/sounds like an automatic. Except in the "low" gears, it can rev for a long amount of time when you are giving it gas.
amaroudis The CVT in the Forester and the one in the WRX are the same mechanically, but the computer tuning is different. The one in the WRX has three modes that will emulate an automatic transmission. If you use the automatic mode in either "I" or "S" mode under light throttle, the transmission acts as a standard CVT and allows the engine to rev to and hold an RPM as the car continues to accelerate. However, if you are a bit harder on the gas, hard enough to get the engine to rev past 3,000 RPM or so, then both modes start acting like a six speed automatic with six preset ratios on the CVT. In "S#" mode, the CVT emulates an eight speed auto without any of the "rev and hold" of a normal CVT. Add in the paddle shifters and manual mode and it becomes a really interesting transmission.
Brian Sullins CVT sounds like a very "versatile" transmission. I think the stick shift cars will be obsolete in a few years...even on the sports cars. I actually learned to drive on a Honda CRX stick shift. Then my first car was actually and automatic, and then an automatic ever since. I love driving stick though.
It's not just the weight. When testing for 0-60 or the 1/4 mile, the MT has the advantage in first gear. You can run the RPMs up and drop the clutch. With the CVT, you can use launch control, but the RPMs and boost are lower. The main difference is in first gear. So unless you are racing people, the performance while driving is almost the same.
THe CVT version has one more BIG advantage....you can get it with Eyesight. That version has many great safety features that make me feel better when the wife drives the car.
You mention better on fuel. Really? I'm getting 32 on the highway with my 6 speed 2015 wrx. As long as I stay off boost which is really freaking tough to do ;)
neirboca I don't drive Subarus, but my 2014 sentra does awesome on the highway. I still get beat by the high end sports cars "duh", but if I need to pass someone, You can be sure I'll pass.
You can only do that in Launch Mode. Subaru programmed the CVT to act like a regular auto transmission unless you are in I mode (acts like a CVT up to 40% throttle) and S mode (acts like a CVT up to 30% throttle). Btw, it's not a "pretend" shift. It really does shift, but the shift points chosen will vary depending on the mode, the speed, and the accelerator position. The difference is that the CVT changes ratios by varying pulley diameters instead of using fixed gears.
***** weird haha im in canada and mines a premium with all the stuff the limited gets same wheels inside everything. but we get shafted on lots of options or models sometimes haha
People with families, people who wanna travel. Can you imagine how hard it is to find someone who can drive stick AND you can tolerate for long periods of time in a car?
As much of a car guy I am, the ability for a CVT to keep the car in it's efficient low RPM band means you're saving a lot of gas. So you get WRX proformance without the issues of the consumtion of gass at higher revs unless you want that.
@@RottenJeeves it definitely does because the idiot public and reviewers demanded engineers to ruin the CVTs design. the way it works in the WRX, under certain throttle points (30/40%) it won't shift; go above that and it will stay in high rpms and simulate a tight ratio gearbox, with shift points. Launch control will make it work like a proper CVT until you let off.
He said its no longer made of those poor plastics like the previous models. The future subarus will all use premium feel interior. However they need a design team for interior and need to be more artistic to compete
Ok, so if its so good why is it slower to 100(62mph) then the manual ? When if you look at everything with a DCT its much quicker then the manual variants why is this not the case the the WRX CVT ? Even a standard auto (3 series) is quicker then the manual variant. Thats the only thing that really puts me off the CVT.
The CVT is only marginally slower than the MT, about 0.3 seconds 0-60. The difference is due to a few things. The CVT weighs 200 pounds, and you can't run up the rpms and drop the clutch, so you lose that time in the beginning, mostly.
CanadianPeanuts CVT is automatic. I checked the Canada website and it did seems vague. The US one has a lot more info on the transmission. The CVT can switch to manual mode to use paddle shifter for a set 6-speed configuration, but the transmission by default is automatic CVT.
But is it a subaru wrx with a cvt because I know other companies have been having problems with cvt tranny but have not heard about subaru having problems with their cvt
There will always be a market for Manual sports cars. There is also a large market for Auto sports cars. Why exclude one market? In recent years performance, fuel economy and cost are about even. If you want a Manual you can get one. I support both.
Wow. So I guess you'd turn down a high-end Porsche, or BMW M5 because they only come with automatic transmissions. In fact, most high-end super cars only come with auto transmissions. You also probably can't watch F1 races because those cars are all autos. If you like the MT, then fine. Enjoy it. No reason for you to tell everyone else that your preference is the only way it should be.
NEPTUNE117 I like how you go straight to bitch boy like I personally attacked you. Im guessing you are under 30 by using a term like bitch boy. I also have a CDL A for 20 years now. Manual never gets annoying to me, wrx should only be manual. If you want to be lazy and a sissy buy a standard impreza.
+bloozer666 It's not always about one's ability to drive manual but rather one's physical state too. I currently own a 6 speed manual Jeep Wrangler and like many prefer shifting my own gears, but I've had spinal issues that led to a failed surgery and now I'm left with permanent nerve damage that's led to extreme pain and weakness in my hip and all down my left leg to my foot which now makes driving a manual very very difficult. Now I'm probably going to trade my Jeep in for a cvt WRX because I want the performance of the WRX and the awd capibilties for handling and inclement weather along with still having fun. So for some it's not about not knowing or wanting to learn how to drive a stick but rather health and age issues can arise that make it not possible is all and I really don't want a low horse powered Impreza, so thank goodness the WRX is offered in an auto for those of us that simply have no other choice.
Almost every car I've owned has been a manual, and I prefer them, but... I have to say, I personally really like the CVT.. I guess that makes me less of a gear head :)
This Subaru CVT is really well engineered for right gear at right condition without lagging. Throttle reaponse is immediate. Much better than most automatics.This is the future for cars to have both fun and fuel economy.
No its not lmfao. Ive owned a cvt rex for almost 2 years now and it is by far one of the worst CVT's ive ever driven. Hondas Civics CVTs are better than the rexs.
My brother broke his left leg when he fell on a ditch. he test drove the wrx cvt and the next day I just woke up having it in our garage
If you want a CVT, buy it. Who gives a shit what people say about it. It's your car. I personally love my 2020 CVT WRX. It's nice to just put it in 1 gear and go and not have to worry about shifting or clutches, etc. Be proud that you have a CVT
Thanks for sharing your feedback!
I have a 2020 Subaru WRX CVT too. I feel you on that. And I'm so in love with it. I'm not going to trade it or sale it. I'm keep it forever.
Amen dude ! I tried both manual and CVT. Went with the CVT not only because it's my daily driver but was impressed with how it performed. Zero regrets
Exactly I'mna but one day because I have a 2010 legacy cvt and it goes beast when it wants to even though it only has 175 to 178 HP but I want a wrx or a new legacy because they have over 200hp
Well said I have a s4 wrx jdm 2015, love that car it’s too fun
The most important thing about WRX CVT that nobody mentioning is that this CVT has true AWD with center planetary differential (not symmetrical🤣) + VTD system which gives you 45front/55rear all the time. Currently you can only get this type of CVT with WRX. Even Ascent doesn't have it.
The CTV is better than you think, and it does both fast and relaxed styles of driving. Outside of 0-60 it is faster than the manual.
100% false.
@@Brandonmac-kg6xo yeah, it is faster than the manual 0-60 for 90% of drivers out there since magazine results are best times of multiple runs with a 5 mph rollout; humans tend to not be as fast as something THAT DOESN'T FUCKING SHIFT AT ALL. So outside of perfect shifts, the 1-2 shift will put most people behind the CVT, which is only 0.1 seconds slower to 60.
Good thing you knew that and corrected them. Good job making sure bullshit shit talking doesn't happen to the CVT. You are a real car enthusiast that doesn't discriminate. Real support to the entire car community.
Unless you are a absolute fucking moron who doesn't care about science or facts and think the earth is flat with an ice wall around it or some crazy shit.
PS: Give me a 7 speed with an actual overdrive gear for highway cruising on the STI and I'll be happy. Prefer manual personally, but to each their own. Some people HAVE ONE GOD DAMNED LEG or maybe broke a leg, are weak from illness, like being in the fucking ICU. FFS morons that hate on any kind of auto need to take their head out of the ass and their dicks out of their mouths and get a fucking clue.
Have a great day!
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Spot on mate, they are quick 👍
Yep spot on. From memory MT 0-60 is 6.0sec and CVT 0-60 is 6.3sec.
I test drove the CVT, honestly its got pick up and go, I prefer automatic, but yes i understand car enthusiast like Manuals. It's all up to opinion.
ya but to my surprise, the stick is actually faster, likely because excess power loss through this transmission
Jimbo Jones what if you do lol?
Jimbo Jones are you asking what will happen?
Jimbo Jones no but it will simulate the engine speed as if you were shifting gears
Jimbo Jones yes manual mode on a cvt does just that. the majority of car enthusiasts prefer manual because they are more fun and take way more skill to drive. you can't have half the fun in a cvt as you could a manual imo
I'm gonna get one as soon as possible. I love this car but I can't drive stick to save my life so the CTV release was a dream come true.
Fluffinatrix Driving stick is pretty easy, but the CVT is good!
Fluffinatrix I also like Canadian TeleVision. :)
I dont care what anyone else is saying bout the wrx cvt. This car is beast.
🖕 to all haters
Nice review. I love a reviewer who can admit his wrong doings (thrash talking about something he/she hasn't even tested yet). Well done.
Almost every car I've owned has been a manual, and I prefer them, but... I have to say, I personally really like the CVT.. I guess that makes me less of a gear head :)
Not happening until a wagon version comes out. A super fast car that you can also haul to the campsite or the hardware store... THATS versatility.
simpleman35 turbo the crosstrek pleeeeaassse
Subaru Levorg - CVT WRX wagon
CVT great car to drive & fantastic daily driving 👍
Its all about moving forward , lol pardon the pun , the car industry has introduced certain technologies by momentous amounts , this CVT is one of the most intelligent technologies for Subaru , it also provides XT Foresters with near the same giddy up hp as WRX , bravo Subaru for your vision of the future and continued success in class leading vehicles , for the CVT haters out there , there are manual units available.
+Bill Wong Lol, it's the engine that provides Forester with the power -.-
Yeah the CVT has nothing to do with the horsepower lol. I'm doubting the acceleration is much better in a CVT than it was in a standard automatic either. Soo.. you don't know what you're talking about?
I own a 2015 wrx CVT. I enjoy every bit of it... Manual wasn't an option for me as I drive approx 25 miles every day in stop and go traffic and my wife needs to drive it occasionally. She loves the car as well. I am sure manual is fun, but in stop and go traffic automatic is a better option. Great car subaru....
+Subhadip Chakraborty Glad I am not alone. I drive 60 miles back and forth to work, and traffic jam, urg.
Still having fun with it. Feel like a rock star on road :).
better of getting an electric car
Subhadip Chakraborty who says it's a better option? I've been driving a manual since 16 and even took my driver's lisence test in a 5 speed manual. for 5 years I drove my 500whp EVO IX with an aftermarket clutch in heavy Los Angeles traffic 6 days a week. still have the EVO but only as a weekend car and now I use my new wrx 6 speed manual as my daily driver.....it's not a big deal in traffic but hey I've never driven an automatic so I never noticed or cared.
Try driving 30 miles every day over a mountain with frequent traffic jams. 10 miles uphill in stop and go traffic requires hundreds of shifts. After a few years of that, it's tiring and annoying. I've been doing that drive for over 5 years in manual transmission cars. I've had enough. The WRX CVT is a great compromise. I still get the great handling car, manual shifting if I want using paddles, and many different auto driving modes. I can also get safety features not offered with the MT.
I'm disappointed there wasn't a good driver POV shot of a 0-60 run. CVTs have a potential to deliver amazing acceleration at low to medium speed so long as they're tuned properly.
as of right now the cvt 0-60 is about .3-.4 seconds slower and the 1/4 mile is half a second slower on paper at 14.5 seconds stock compared to 14 flat with a standard. I work at a dealer that has a subaru franchise, mind i'm certified for our ford fanchise though. I plan to pick up a 2018 with this setup simply because i have standard classic cars and enjoy an easy ride with my daily which is what i plan to make this one.
NasferatuTheImmortal
The difference in the 0-60 and the 1/4 mile is the launch. The manual is quicker off the line. WIth the manual, you can get the RPMs high and build up the turbo boost. WIth the CVT, you can use launch mode, but it's still slower initially. But after the initial slower launch, the CVT is quicker than the manual. Check the speed at 1/4 mile. The CVT, while having a slightly slower time, is going faster at the end of the 1/4 mile. So, in real world driving situations (like passing) where the car is already moving, the CVT is slightly faster.
I was learning the mt in my brothers nova years ago. He moved , so I never finished learning how to drive an mt. :( I've driven many cars over the years. From suburbans to a Mini Cooper . One thing I've always loved was driving fast.
When I saw the wrx , I fell in love. It's an understated beast of a car. It's not flashy at all. So , I loved it for that reason. The dealership only had one with an mt on the lot. So I drove shotgun for the test drive. I was sold !!!! The way this car moves is amazing and what I've always wanted.
I ended up buying the 2017 limited in black . This car is fast . To hell with mt... you don't need it with this car. I'm. Not a legit car enthusiast, I just need to be able to move on the road. This car is powerful , fast and gorgeous ! Perfection :)
I want Subaru Wrx CVT so bad!! 😊😊
Justin, it's nice to see that you were able to be objective about the CVT even though your a manual transmission gearhead. I consider myself one as well, but purchased the CVT. I don't think it's quite as good as a manual, but there were reasons other than just pure driving satisfaction that weighed on my decision. Although it's not quite as good as a manual, as automatics go, it's damn good.
Great review! It's succinct yet it explores the doubts and questions of prospective CVT WRX drivers.
Turbo builds boost. Transmission changes ratio. Seamless. Like a woosh. Its a strange experience.
manual in wrx is juvenile super fun. cvt is cool though, still fun.
I love mines jus got a 2016 premium edition cvt since da 2016 and 2017 is basically the same. Still breaking it in and the power is awesome so far. I got a 2017 Audi A4 also which is very powerful. Cnt wait til I reach 1000 miles to really test out da WRX.
Auto. Manual. I don't care if its foot powerd like Fred Flinstone. Give me a fucking WRX
I'd love to have an WRX in manual but I just know I'll find it obnoxious down the road. I see this as a great candidate to replace my 2008 Legacy which has a hundred less HP and doesn't look nearly as sporty. This would definitely provide some fun pick up but yet still be a practical driver.
If I could have two cars I would get this in stick, but since I'll likely be stuck with 1 car I'd rather it be an automatic. With a little pick up of course.
He didn't show the manual option of the CVT which is remarkable. Shifts are faster than MT
no need to lift shifting up. In S# mode you have 8 speeds.
sport sharp mode in cvt, it doesnt function as cvt but it will let me manually use paddle shift right? ,or it automatically shift for me?
Both
anyone that says they only drive manuals because they are true gearheads are usually the same guys that spend most of their time in mall parking lots looking at their cars, anyone who actually enjoys driving fast will take what ever option does that better.
sandy wallace stop being a girl. it's not about going fast it's about the raw experience and feel when driving. ya sure an automatic is faster that's why the GTR has one but faster shifts doesn't make it fun.
Mike Hundredson did you watch the video or fully understand my comment that was related to the video? they assumed that only true gear heads drive manual. drive what you enjoy, I took a shot at that not manual vs auto enjoyment. also replying with don't be a girl will never help your argument.
Lol so true about the mall dudes
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sandy wallace - I bought the CVT WRX. It's a great car and it's fun to drive, but for pure excitement, driving the manual WRX is more fun. It's not just hype. Driving a sports car, shifting at just the right places, clutching just right while matching RPMs, is difficult to get perfect, but fun to try. As someone else mentioned, most manual drives think that they are highly skilled at shifting, but few really are.
You buy a MT because of the simplicity, reliability, and pure fun. You buy the CVT if you need an auto transmission.
Actually regarding your comment on fuel economy, the manual transmission in this particular case does get better fuel economy according to the EPA. The 2016 is rated at 20/27 for the manual and the CVT is rated at 18/24 for the 2016
I got 35 on highway, and 25 local on 2017 wrx
Yu Liu I'm getting similar in mine as well. 26.4 mpg city and 39.8 highway obviously this is while driving like a granny. when I'm raping it I get 18 city 21 highway
Fart Knocker those numbers for the cvt are the avg on the I S and S#. Cvt gets better you want to believe it or not.
I'll believe it if I can find some good documented proof.
Fart Knocker
I'm averaging 26 MPG (CVT) on my daily commute, which involves going over a mountain and frequent traffic jams. It's about 50% city driving. If I baby the throttle, I've gotten 29 MPG on that trip.
Definitely considering this a 2015-2018 CPO cvt wrx.
Why people gotta hate what another person drives , I never understood this. If you want a manual ,get yourself a manual, if you want the CVT , then do that. Why manual drivers gotta attack those with CVT's ?
Evo - Some people NEED to know that they have the best, the fastest. Accepting a CVT means that the MT is only the best for them. Some people's egos can't handle that.
because only a man child who's worried that he isn't manly enough for the girls in the parking lot, is making fun of someone for having a CVT... LOL it's pathetic, same type of guys who buy a huge truck, put huge wheels on them, and then race from stop light to stop light while pulling one off
compensation syndrome. These people: don't wear pink, only drive manuals, wear too much cologne, have huge mustaches, hate themselves at night, are jealous/envious of someone who doesn't give a fuck what others think and still tries to throw shade, ... etc.
These idiots have complained to car companies so much, they've made engineers RUIN the CVT by adding 'stepped gearing patterns' to 'simulate a normal auto' because the general public are a bunch of dumbasses who don't understand efficiency and power, and how the CVT will put you in one or the other based on demand from your right foot. It is absolutely moronic the car goes into stepped gearing above 30/40% throttle for its respective setting. Put that fucker at peak power and let it sit until I back off like it is supposed to do or people should just buy a manual (since a normal auto isn't available) if they want to shift/feel shifts imo. 'we designed this amazing transmission' 'yeah, but people complain, RUIN it, instead of informing them of the advantages and why its awesome.
Imagine airplane engines being stepped because people are used to that for acceleration LOL I had a CVT Honda for a while, 50 mpg to go with my 17 mpg 6 speed RX8, friends/family said it sounded like riding in a jet :p
Thank you Subaru for perfecting the automatic transmission some people just like to enjoy seamless driving without having to shift a manual transmission without substituting on performance. Maybe now all these manual lovers can just chill and realize there not always better or faster. The future of going fast practicality and fuel economy is in the Automatic transmission just looks what Lexus and Mitsubishi have to offer as well. Good job Subaru can't wait for the 2017 Wagon with these features.
I think what makes people most upset is not that Subaru offers the WRX in an automatic option. Now this isn't the first time they have offered a WRX in a automatic option but I believe it's the fact that it's a CVT! Subaru should have made this car with a dual clutch automatic like other sport cars out there. The CVT is obviously less expensive then then Dual Clutch but if you ask me I'd rather spend the extra money on a dual clutch is having a manual was not an option for reasons like stop and go traffic like many of you have stated. Just seems like Subaru went really cheap with the transmission choice and I hope they replace this CVT with a Dual Clutch Automatic in the near future.
I drive a truck for a living. I get sick of changing gears and after 10 - 12 hours a day of it. The paddles of the CVT give you "manual feel" without the loss of power from the clutch. I prefer them over manuals now. Especially after beating manuals consistently from a stop start because there's no clutch. How many gears do you go through on the highway? Most people who don't like auto's have never driven one with paddles and used them.
BonesTheCat I have driven both and Cvt doesn't have the same feel like a manual.
The CVT WRX is a great car but for enthusiasts looking to modify the car like the majority of the WRX/STi drivers, the CVT is not for you. I personally have a 15 CVT and I've been trying to do modifications to it responsibly. So far I've done the intake, BOV, axleback exhaust and running on Cobb AP stage 1+ map. Was looking forward to going stage 2 with a down/J pipe but the guys at Cobb said they are not releasing any stage 2 tunes/maps for the CVT because the transmission is limited to at around 310lbs of torgue... the CVT gave out on their test car at around that point so they highly recommended staying at just stage 1+ and nothing pass it. I am still pretty bummed about it so I'm starting to think about trading it in this summer for the 6 spd..
The CVT is great, but if you ant to mod it, I'd choose the MT.
Man, slow down a little bit, my head is exploding!
I would have thought that a twin clutch system like they use on the GTR or Evo would have made more sense. That said I'm going to go test drive one and see for myself.
anyone wanting to buy the cvt thinking its better on fuel i can tell you no its not i had the cvt wrx and got bored after 6 months now i have the manual and i can say that it does better fuel than than cvt and not by a little either.
When my 8th gen Si bites the bucket I might have to consider a CVT. I love driving stick but in traffic it's a nightmare.
I fail to see the point in these tests/opinions which are subjective. If you prefer a Manual by all means buy one. I have good personal reasons for buying the CVT and it should not concern anyone else. 😎
I had to give up my BRZ for a WRX CVT! Due to daily traffic
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How do paddle shifters work on a CVT transmission? Are there preset gear ratios that will be engaged on a "shift"? I don't have much experience driving a CVT car, I would think the car would automatically control the gear ratios with the pulleys to get optimal performance,
Yes, the CVT has preset ratios that the paddles "shift" to. I and S modes have six preset ratios, and S# has eight. The CVT is programmed to mimic a quick shifting automatic under certain conditions, and it's very good at it. (I own one, so I'm not just talking out my arse here.)
Brian Sullins my fiance just got a Forester a few months ago with the CVT. First time I had been in a CVT car. I expected not much "engine revving" and fairly constant rpms. But it feels/sounds like an automatic. Except in the "low" gears, it can rev for a long amount of time when you are giving it gas.
amaroudis The CVT in the Forester and the one in the WRX are the same mechanically, but the computer tuning is different. The one in the WRX has three modes that will emulate an automatic transmission. If you use the automatic mode in either "I" or "S" mode under light throttle, the transmission acts as a standard CVT and allows the engine to rev to and hold an RPM as the car continues to accelerate. However, if you are a bit harder on the gas, hard enough to get the engine to rev past 3,000 RPM or so, then both modes start acting like a six speed automatic with six preset ratios on the CVT. In "S#" mode, the CVT emulates an eight speed auto without any of the "rev and hold" of a normal CVT. Add in the paddle shifters and manual mode and it becomes a really interesting transmission.
Brian Sullins
CVT sounds like a very "versatile" transmission. I think the stick shift cars will be obsolete in a few years...even on the sports cars. I actually learned to drive on a Honda CRX stick shift. Then my first car was actually and automatic, and then an automatic ever since. I love driving stick though.
amaroudis I think anybody who learned to drive stick on a CRX would love driving stick. GREAT car to learn on.
The only reason to buy the CVT is for the Eyesight safety system. Might even be worth it.
But will you ever be able to sell one? That's the question.
Cvt is 130 lbs heavier that's why 0-60 and 1/4 miles are slower
It's not just the weight. When testing for 0-60 or the 1/4 mile, the MT has the advantage in first gear. You can run the RPMs up and drop the clutch. With the CVT, you can use launch control, but the RPMs and boost are lower. The main difference is in first gear. So unless you are racing people, the performance while driving is almost the same.
+29erFreak yea and drop it a few more times and you will be in the shop changing out the clutch
How much the price sir..? The cvt? Thankz.
You have no traffic where you live? You like to row your own gears in traffic?
Dude traffic jams on 35 is the reason why I want the cvt lol
Walter Black Living in a rural area has its perks, manual ftw.
manual = indeed a badass driver who does row dem gearzz
Please develop a dual-clutch system Subaru!
I do not see the problem with the CVT. if I have a family and would like to drive a WRX, why not?
THe CVT version has one more BIG advantage....you can get it with Eyesight. That version has many great safety features that make me feel better when the wife drives the car.
Manual = more fun | Auto = easy in traffic
You mention better on fuel. Really? I'm getting 32 on the highway with my 6 speed 2015 wrx. As long as I stay off boost which is really freaking tough to do ;)
Kuth70 On the highway/cruising the CVT is probably also better because it has a lower gearing/rpm at those speeds.
neirboca I don't drive Subarus, but my 2014 sentra does awesome on the highway. I still get beat by the high end sports cars "duh", but if I need to pass someone, You can be sure I'll pass.
LightTheEntertainer yea right
LightTheEntertainer Are you implying that a Sentra could out run a WRX?
Mine? No, not likely. lol
My dads Spec V with a turbo, would probably make short work of both of them though.
Is there a way to disable the pretend shift and keep it at peak power?
You can only do that in Launch Mode. Subaru programmed the CVT to act like a regular auto transmission unless you are in I mode (acts like a CVT up to 40% throttle) and S mode (acts like a CVT up to 30% throttle).
Btw, it's not a "pretend" shift. It really does shift, but the shift points chosen will vary depending on the mode, the speed, and the accelerator position. The difference is that the CVT changes ratios by varying pulley diameters instead of using fixed gears.
are there leather seats on a wrx, or any package that has leather seats?
+Fappolice premium is the top model it has all the options
***** weird haha im in canada and mines a premium with all the stuff the limited gets same wheels inside everything. but we get shafted on lots of options or models sometimes haha
lol I put a turbo On my CVT FRS, boost never goes is that awesome ahah
i'm so confused!! if it's automatic why does it have 3 pedals??? someone please answer my question!!
+Chayyy Garcia It doesn't have 3 pedals, it has two pedals plus a footrest for your left foot.
+xsquid99 I'm so short I can't even reach that "third peddle" lmao
Is it still AWD in automatic CVT?
+le Anthony Yes its still AWD, Subaru's only non-AWD car is the BRZ.
@@xsquid99 Because it's developed with Toyota.
Dude, there is a reason why the "period" and "comma" were invented...slow down and properly punctuate your sentences when you talk!
wish it had a head up display
Oh gawd, who would want a CVT in this car. I'm sorry, but the MT is the way to go. I don't care how fast an AT is.
A good MT is a joy to operate.
People with families, people who wanna travel. Can you imagine how hard it is to find someone who can drive stick AND you can tolerate for long periods of time in a car?
People who want to save fuel.
As much of a car guy I am, the ability for a CVT to keep the car in it's efficient low RPM band means you're saving a lot of gas. So you get WRX proformance without the issues of the consumtion of gass at higher revs unless you want that.
I wish you wouldve stopped talking for a few seconds so I could hear the car shift!!!!
it does not shift...
RottenJeeves It does
@@RottenJeeves it definitely does because the idiot public and reviewers demanded engineers to ruin the CVTs design.
the way it works in the WRX, under certain throttle points (30/40%) it won't shift; go above that and it will stay in high rpms and simulate a tight ratio gearbox, with shift points. Launch control will make it work like a proper CVT until you let off.
Lined with melted tupperware plastic... Classic.
Eh? Spoken like true troll.
+neirboca the guy in the video said it moron
He said its no longer made of those poor plastics like the previous models. The future subarus will all use premium feel interior. However they need a design team for interior and need to be more artistic to compete
Ok, so if its so good why is it slower to 100(62mph) then the manual ? When if you look at everything with a DCT its much quicker then the manual variants why is this not the case the the WRX CVT ? Even a standard auto (3 series) is quicker then the manual variant.
Thats the only thing that really puts me off the CVT.
The CVT is only marginally slower than the MT, about 0.3 seconds 0-60. The difference is due to a few things. The CVT weighs 200 pounds, and you can't run up the rpms and drop the clutch, so you lose that time in the beginning, mostly.
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What about a brz/fr-s CVT?
CanadianPeanuts I don't know if it's different in other countries but US FRS/BRZ all have CVT.
CanadianPeanuts CVT is automatic. I checked the Canada website and it did seems vague. The US one has a lot more info on the transmission. The CVT can switch to manual mode to use paddle shifter for a set 6-speed configuration, but the transmission by default is automatic CVT.
Don't use image stabilization in RUclips. Looks like you're filming through a fish tank.
people say they need the cvt for there stop and go traffic, hahahahhha!
you should see my left leg! haha
to bad they introduced fake gear shifts and a flicker screen.
dont get the cvt!!! 6k miles on my friends car and it failed already.
he has a subaru wrx with a cvt?
+Alexander Turcios cvt
But is it a subaru wrx with a cvt because I know other companies have been having problems with cvt tranny but have not heard about subaru having problems with their cvt
+Alexander Turcios its a 2015 WRX
I'm not worried. Under warranty.
Burn it for god sake burn it to ashes
They put a freaking CVT in a WRX?WTF????
You talk too fast
tick tack too
reduced reliability
good car for an amputee
david bednarik boo hoo.
i cannot believe they are doing that , hopefully the STI will stay Manual with no CVT automatic bull S***
There will always be a market for Manual sports cars. There is also a large market for Auto sports cars. Why exclude one market? In recent years performance, fuel economy and cost are about even. If you want a Manual you can get one. I support both.
Wow. So I guess you'd turn down a high-end Porsche, or BMW M5 because they only come with automatic transmissions. In fact, most high-end super cars only come with auto transmissions. You also probably can't watch F1 races because those cars are all autos.
If you like the MT, then fine. Enjoy it. No reason for you to tell everyone else that your preference is the only way it should be.
Blah. Subaru you commited a sin with an auto twice now! Please stick with manual only! And to those who cant drive a manual.......learn.
Bitch boy. Is not about learning or not knowing. I have a class a license. Eventually it gets old and annoying in heavy traffic.
NEPTUNE117 I like how you go straight to bitch boy like I personally attacked you. Im guessing you are under 30 by using a term like bitch boy. I also have a CDL A for 20 years now. Manual never gets annoying to me, wrx should only be manual. If you want to be lazy and a sissy buy a standard impreza.
+bloozer666 they offer 2 options? What else do you want?
+bloozer666 It's not always about one's ability to drive manual but rather one's physical state too. I currently own a 6 speed manual Jeep Wrangler and like many prefer shifting my own gears, but I've had spinal issues that led to a failed surgery and now I'm left with permanent nerve damage that's led to extreme pain and weakness in my hip and all down my left leg to my foot which now makes driving a manual very very difficult.
Now I'm probably going to trade my Jeep in for a cvt WRX because I want the performance of the WRX and the awd capibilties for handling and inclement weather along with still having fun.
So for some it's not about not knowing or wanting to learn how to drive a stick but rather health and age issues can arise that make it not possible is all and I really don't want a low horse powered Impreza, so thank goodness the WRX is offered in an auto for those of us that simply have no other choice.
Almost every car I've owned has been a manual, and I prefer them, but... I have to say, I personally really like the CVT.. I guess that makes me less of a gear head :)