Video idea: Do the pit but spin a wheel before each floor and do Grubba's challenge for that floor. If you fail you restart the run or die and restart the floor. You can even add you own challenges like "Badgeless, partner-less, damegeless, etc"
@captainb4 In cases where you fail the challenge, there should be a second wheel with a bunch of penalties, like not using your partner or even doubling the amount of challenges you have on the next floor. Also, they are named bob-bulk or something similarly spelled.
Clearly the only way forward now is to do all three on one save.. Chapter 1 Bonetail, which will set up for pre Chapter 6 Whacka, with an inbetween of Early Mush
I can see the appeal in keeping him looking normal but I think it would’ve been hilarious if he climbed out of his hole and revealed that he’s a giant terrifying monster for the fight.
@@GabrielleHolgate-oh1jk Personally I'm glad they managed to retcon the whole "Wacka suffers" story so instead of us players being sadists, they made it a "game" for Wacka. His dialogue is different where instead of moaning in pain, he now screams "Direct HIT!" as if implying that he sees it as a game, and then him saying "It was fun, hope to see you again" and him attacking himself to spawn the bumps, it just feels "better". One of the several ways the remake toned down the ultra cynical and stoic dialogue of before and made the game feel more enjoyable and easier to read. Even the part where Mario "sells out Luigi" by pretending to be him is played more as Mario saying "Eh...he'll be alright...." than him deliberately threatening to get his brother arrested. Plus the Toad girl reveals in sheer embarassment that she acted way out of character. Making that infamous scene a lot easier to swallow than just "lol Luigi's getting bullied".
The fact that they turned a meme into an ascended meme fight really was the biggest glow up. This is the kind of stuff you expect to see in game mods like the excellent Paper Mario Master Quest (which does stuff like this a few times), but to see them add it to an official game was peak!
@@Warhead7199He doesn't even technically "fight" you. He believes you're just playing with him. If he actually does go on an all out brawl, I don't think Prince Mush would be needed.
@@SpadeOfNadesWhacka becomes danger whacka on steroids and Mush is his backup in case something were to go wrong (which is very unlikely, but hey never hurt)
@@SpadeOfNades That's even implying Whacka has an "all out brawl" mode, the little guy seems to be absolutely clueless all the time. Still, though, were it not for Rawk Hawk's poison cake, Mush would've solo'd Macho Grubba and thus could definitely mop up the Shadow Queen by himself (invincibility phase nonwithstanding because he'd definitely have the support of his sis and fans). Whacka would probably tag along with him just to have an opportunity to "play" more though.
11:51 Just wanna mention, Shell Shield is really good for this fight It absorbs every single whacka bump hit Mario would've taken because the shell doesn't break until after the enemy finishes attacking
same case with vivian's move too though right? Cause honestly, that's what ruins the challenge tbh. there's ways to counter whacka's really high damage and that's even assuming he gets a turn. Same can be said about prince mush as well. I feel like both needed higher stats to not get steamrolled by the DPS strats.
fun fact on whacka fight if you use Miss Mows (fight me she's my favorite party member) her basic attack every time the animation hits whacka a bump spawns even though she only does one instance of damage
Yeah, I really don't get why so many people call her the worst partner. It's true that she's not the strongest and is somewhat disappointing as the secret optional partner, but she's still useful. Her basic attack pierces defense, and being able to steal items before opponents use them can be quite helpful. Also, being able to steal badges is really cool, too. She's actually my go-to partner for the Pit, given how many items/badges enemies seem to have.
Honestly I feel like whacka could of been a lot scarier if they let him have his heal and still attack. Either way he's a really fun little secret boss which in the end is good enough.
Imagine if the Reward from Prince Mush was not ONLY the Belt but he became your Partner and litterally the Best Partner in the Game as he starts off at Ultra Rank.
Kind of wish the Mush Belt was a badge that worked like that "Debug Badge" where it would automatically have Mario pull off successful action commands (though not super guards, just regular guards and only capping Power bounce at 7 so you don't soft lock, also like the Debug badge, manual input moves like sweet treat/feast still have to be manually done). THAT would be a really nice touch. and I guess the Gold Wacka Bump could just be an indefinite Wacka bump, healing 25 HP and FP but never disappearing from your inventory. The game is pretty much over by then so having those to just "play with" would be cool.
I just want to mention that +4/+4 from Power Lift isn't that easy if you're using a wireless controller and playing on an LCD/LED TV. The remake does not handle input lag especially gracefully, and special moves are one of the places where you can see that the most.
Yeah that 30 FPS effectively cuts the visual timing cues in half. The timing is still the same as inputs are still grabbed when they are, but you kind of feel it when trying to do things fast and seeing the curser kind of lag. I've accidently hit SO many poison shrooms cause of that. Fortunately I got good at the timing of the various slot effects like the Pianta Parlor and the bonus cards in battle as the timing is consistent, so you just have to count it out.
I like the Mover to floor 50, but I wish there was some other requirement to unlock an option to skip even more. Beyond a certain point, everything up to floor 80 starts to feel like it's just wasting time.
Honestly, anything feels more tedious than difficult with the right setups, even before you beat bonetail. You have to basically hold back to have a challenge, cause this game is honestly quite easy when you learn how OP some stuff is.
Agreed, honestly should make it so you can skip to 90. the only floors that really matter in the post game and would be the fastest way to level up. Alas....back to the bullet bills in key hall with an automatic button presser and leaving the game running for a few days.
I was unaware you had to *meet* Whacka to have the Pit superboss... I was thinking he was like.. a different one of the same species kinda thing so was 100% expecting practically a Chapter 1 run of him.. since the one on Keelhaul Key talks like he doesn't want you to hit him and the Pit one seems like he's just seeing it as a game Also.. interesting that Gale Force actually is somewhat based on Mario's level.. the instakill move being kinda balanced is surprising... if only other strats were more balanced so it wasn't outshined lol Part of me wished he could attack both party members.. or at least swap when one is definitely KO'd
Strats? I have a late game Mario and still spammed Gale force. XD TTYD fans seem to watch these videos and think the only thing worth doing is Danger Mario without the danger stuff, but by actually playing the game, I made good use of EVERY partner, including Ms Mowz's defense piercing slap attack that costs 0 FP to clear out some bosses and single enemies. In fact, I literally used Gale Force with 2 Flower Saver Ps (so it cost 2 FP per use) to clear out like 80% of the floors after doing the pit 3 times cause I didn't know how to get Wacka to appear. The biggest reason Flurrie is kind of forgotten about is because A. it's kind of RNG, and B. there's no real point in Ultra ranking her as Gale force doesn't improve with her tier. But hey, definitely don't discount other abilities. There is more to the game than Peril Yoshi and Multi bonk. (heck I diddn't even equip Power bounce, but mostly cause I suck at it and really didn't want to do peril strats. Just stick to Power Plus badges and seeing what I can do at any HP. No Pseudo Danger Mario stuff cause I REALLY couldn't be bothered to get myself to peril every fight.)
Vanilla Thousand Year door , yes , the hardest part is to get to them and if you lose or manage your resources badly , you are screwed TTYD remake however now gives you the option of "retrying" the same battle , which pretty much is "try until you win"
I like how both of the new bosses in the remake try to get you to use your hammer more often, with Prince Mush's stances and hammer being a single hit instead of a multi hit like jumping, making it better for Whacka.
You inspired me to try the pit of 100 trials early when I got the game a month ago, except I completely forgot to gear up which meant Flurry’s gale force CARRIED me, I only lost when I got to bonetail. It’s really funny to see it mentioned now. (I had literally just escaped chapter 2. I hadn’t even brought the emerald star to the door.)
I'm surprised you didn't kill whacka after finishing keelhaul key, because at that point the loading zone from the cave to whacka is much shorter than the loading zone of the camp to whacka
He probably did that more to make a point about the absolute earliest point you can interact with Wacka. It'd be even faster to just blow him up with Bobbery since that "kills" him instantly, though you don't get any bumps. Doesn't save you from having to finish chapter 5 anyway.
I love ❤ the ranking of the difficulty and layout with the bosses as well as any post chapter 6 if that's the earliest you can fight Whaka or pre chapter 6. I love that add I didn't know about to ever have played the remake before that you can mover coins to floor 50 and only have to do half the pit after beating it for the first time. Just wow 😮
The title is "How Early," not "Lowest Chapter", so I think it makes sense not to progress any of the story that you don't have to. So no returning the star. More debatably, I think it makes sense to only be able to level up your partners as far as you could before completing the prerequisites. So level them up before chapter 6. In short, I think what you did is the most authentic version of this trial. (Though a Low% Beat Whacka run could be cool, too. Avoid all unnecessary level ups.)
The easiest strat I found was Do nothing -> Wacka spawns tons of bumbs -> Jump + Veil -> Bumps hit nothing -> Veil mills a turn -> Wacka spawns tons of bumps again -> repeat.
I like how Mush and Wacka actually PUNISH the most op strats. Wacka is basically anti-Yoshi/Multi bonk. Shame they undertuned him as I'd have loved it if he ate a bump EVERY turn (and multiple if he had a lot of spares) and would randomly attack Mario and partner instead of just one at a time to REALLY make you regret attacking him multiple times in one turn. Thus making Bobbery and Hammer shine. He also needed WAY more health so you cant just charge Peril Yoshi or Goombella and beat him in like 2 turns. Give Mush 300 HP and Wacka 999 HP and the fights would be perfect.
The best way to finish the pit, is to lower your max hp to 5 by talking to Chet Rippo and wearing lots of power rushes, which cost 100 piantas each in the pianta parlor.
Fun fact about Whacka that I learned while just messing around: Superbova only does about 15 or 20 damage to Whacka, I didn't pay attention to the exact numbers but it is around that kind of damage.
Could you do a challenge without using any special moves? They can carry fights and it would be interesting to see what badges and strategies you'd have to resort to without go tos like power lift.
No Power Lift would make Wacka a bit more interesting, but the problem is he doesn't "heal" every turn like he honestly should. having to make sure you do more than 25 damage to him per turn or maybe use a move like Gale force or bobomb blast to remove the bumps from the field would make the fight a lot more interesting, but the only real "Time bomb" is that he does so much damage to Mario, he might kill him. Even then his bumps aren't too hard to super guard.
i can't wait for some totally legit thousand year door remake games where you fight whacka in chapter 1. you just do too much damage when you can fight him first when he in could be insanely threatening with the healing + potential 100 damage in 1 turn split over multiple attacks. in my first fight i won in like 3 or so turn by just buffing and attacking
Love the content 😊 has anyone else noticed the “spell” seems to activate less often during battles? I swear it feels like it got changed. I only got buffed like 3 times the entire trial and one double xp after a fight
Made Like A Dark Fucked Up Version Of Blue Diglett From Paper Mario Haha. A Full Stare Into My Twisted Perspective Would Make Most Simply Go Insane LMAO.
I always like two fight whacka with strong single hit damage like charged power smashes and explosions, coz yknow, whack also he has unique dialogue when you power shell and blast him when you attack him in the overworld
Hehe Flurrie clears the pit SO much! Even the 5x Elite Wizzerds get one shotted by Flurrie. Add 2 Flower saver Ps and she carries... Really made having to redo the pit like 3 times cause I couldn't figure out how to get Wacka to appear (tried to avoid spoilers, but had to look it up after doing it twice...) Personally I do wish that Mush and Wacka had 300 HP and Wacka would ALWAYS eat one of his bumps as well as attack at the same time to really make the fight more strategic, since i love the mechanic of it being an anti-Yoshi/Power Bounce boss, though him being able to one shot Mario if he chooses to target him and you fail to guard/super guard does make him a high risk boss. I used Boo sheets after dying the first time to him, but he kept targetting my partner... personally I think the attack should've randomly targetted both Mario and Partner. Or at least on a refight against him maybe. All in all though, like Mario RPG Remake, the super bosses were excellent and a great test of the skills and prep you learned through the game. Still personally would've loved if they had like 999 HP to really make you exhaust your items and options, but I'll take what I can get.
13:11 For me, it’s swapping Bonetail and Prince Mush. I did not come close to a game over with Bonetail but I kept dying over and over again to Prince’s Mush’s attacks. His multi-hit attacks do major damage and I’m not the best at super guarding. What’s worse is that when your partner dies, they can also use life shrooms so tere goes one of Mario’s lives in the trash.
Yeah Bone tail is more a war of attrition, but Mush is a test of skill. Especially since when he has less than 25 health, he will perfectly parry EVERY attack you can throw at him, including item and effect damage (like return postage, which he already parries perfectly). So the ONLY way to damage him is to super guard to get him tired, then you can finish him off. Excellent EXCELLENT boss fight, but gosh I wish he had a lot more health so more people would notice. the whole "Charge Peril Yoshi/Goombella" seems to be the only way people act like the game can be played. and they laugh at how easy "Danger Mario" makes the game. I'd argue Peril Yoshi/Goombella is far worse when it comes to cheese strats. Especially since it's not even optimal in a lot of cases, just overkill. (Seriously, give Ms Mowz some power plusses and slap a chain chomp for 0 FP defense piercing. Other partners ARE useful in their niches.)
...so you _can_ fight Whacka before postgame. I'll have to see if I can proc the email during the Chapter 7 Bonus segment. I already recorded Chapter 7, but didn't get around to editing the footage for YT.
I had heard whacka was at the bottom of the pit after beating it once and whacking him, so I went without waiting for the email and wasted like an hour or 2 just to get to an empty floor😭
There is a way to beat whacka without taking so much damage. He'll only heal once so power bounce and multibonk on turn one to force the heal then switch into vivian. Power bounce with mario and veil with vivian. You'll never take damage. But I guess that isn't fun for a challenge video
Yes it always did. Oddly Fright Jar does not. Oh and fun fact, Show stopper, the 2SP star move that does the exact same thing as gale force ALSO gives star points...and only costs 2SP. Really you only avoid using it cause it takes the fun out of the game.
and multiple can spawn, so these super bosses are out for BLOOD. Most players won't bother having Mario with over 100 HP but it does prevent you from just equipping tons of defense pluses and being physically immune to damage (though bonetail's defense piercing would still get past that, you need P down D up badges to realistically negate all damage in the game.)
Didn't other people show you can beat Prince Mush much earlier, due to figuring out how the email mechanic works? It depends on the number of battles you have. So, by avoiding battles, you made it take longer.
i found whacka....extremely easy. i just did normal power bounce shenanigans and literally super-guarded every single one of his attacks the first time fighting him. very lackluster for a superboss even if he was a joke one
He and Mush have far too little health. Great offense, but they die in a few charged/Peril Yoshi or Goombella attacks. at least Mush's 6 defense makes you work for it a bit, but still... they both needed at least 300 HP. I'd have honestly given Wacka 999 to really make you work for it. AND make him heal every turn there's an available bump so you need to really plan your attack and you get hard punished if you power bounce him.
I know this is not relevant to your video but I watch your videos all the time. Would you try a supergaurd run only run if possible? I know all attacks can't be super guarded but maybe u could do something else in them circumstances. If you could that would be super cool
It's based on the US Super Guards, so the original game's "No attacking" run would look very similar. In fact I recomment watching that video, it was really cool how creative he got. Also, not all enemies can be hurt with super guards. enemies that attack indirectly (except Pokeys for some reason) will just sit there endlessly if you only superguard, and some bosses even when attacking directly won't be countered by super guard. Makes me REALLY wish Return Postage reflected ALL damage regardless, then it might actually be worth the 7 BP and doing the hardest challenge in the game, but GET THIS....Return postage doesn't work at all on Prince Mush. UTTERLY USELESS. (and naturally it doesn't work on wacka cause all his attacks are indirect)
Do a pit of a 100 trials with just vivian/ only speacials prior to art attack…. Basically the nameless run… edit: given it’s impossible to go only Vivian… the other partners have to get killed off as you take w.e nessicary damege (no super guards) in that processs..:let’s make things challenging 😅
I swear I guess I just had great RNG in the Whacka fight. He rarely healed, and I was pretty good and super guarding, so in my two fights with him, I beat him first try both times
What is the music in the background at the beginning. I remember it from my childhood but can’t recall where it’s from. It’s like a worm in my brain now, internet plz help!
Wacka Cheats, you might as well Multibonk/Power Bounce because if you try to go with single powerful hits he eventually shakes the arena and hits himself a ton of times spawning a full inventory of bumps anyways
Okay but what if you took on Whacka restricting yourself to only the badges, partners, and upgrades you had access to in chapter 1? Continuing from a prehooktail pit of 100 trials save file and using bump attack to ignore all the enemies in ch1-ch5
I think the superbosses in the dlc dont lend themselves well to challenge runs unfortunately because they feel too intricately designed compared to Bonetail. Mega Rush Goombella would need a few turns to do it plus a bit of Mario chipping in as well and if you theoretically superguarded enough I suppose you could win? Charge isnt available by that point and neither is power rush p or either rush for Mario so I don't know how one would do this besides being lucky or insanely skilled as Goombella wont be able to get back to 1 HP most likely even if they use a life shroom. The main issue is how efficient and infinite Whacka's heal is. As far as I know as long as he has bumps to eat he can infinitely heal unlike Bonetail's finite 3 times to heal. Mario with only CP1 badges cant do that damage so Mega Rush P is the only strat and you would need to be a god to do that (Or get quite lucky, but that also isnt very interesting).
@@jxgalaxy3810 challenge runners have certainly dealt with worse (looking at you pre-starpoints pit). I do agree it'll be a total super guard fest. You can reduce Whacka's damage for yellow bumps to 2 with the two available Last Stand P. And I think Koops is kind of key here, but I need to test the shell shield interaction more
The biggest problem is the red bump heal, that'll put a damper on things. But at least everything Whacka does can be super guarded, so it's a bit of an endurance battle
@@justwantawholename 2 will still kill a 1 HP partner. I’m not saying it’s impossible but I think it will be mostly luck and superguard based with no real strategy
No for me it's bonetail easiest 3. wacka second hardest 2 and prince mush being the hardest I have died 6+ times to him all together on my first and second playthrough. I would agree with you if it was the original for bonetail but you can just retry him again but this is my opinion.
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Video idea: Do the pit but spin a wheel before each floor and do Grubba's challenge for that floor. If you fail you restart the run or die and restart the floor. You can even add you own challenges like "Badgeless, partner-less, damegeless, etc"
That would be cool as hell
"Take damage 5 times" against three [Big Bomb Enemy whos name I didn't forget]
Jokes aside: Awesome idea
"Badgeless". You're sick lol
Fantastic idea!
@captainb4 In cases where you fail the challenge, there should be a second wheel with a bunch of penalties, like not using your partner or even doubling the amount of challenges you have on the next floor.
Also, they are named bob-bulk or something similarly spelled.
Now, realistically, it's probably the mover that makes the report on whacka. however, i can get behind the serial killer whacka theory lmfao
@Soc_Man member supremacy am i right?
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Maybe, but isn’t mover blind? I was about to say isn’t he stuck but then I realised he can take you back to the entrance… good theory!!
@superstar7playes303 is he blind? I haven't really done the pit much so I haven't seen much of his dialogue :O
@@vundesheart8835 I meant judging by Mover's design...
Random fact: Whacka has unique dialogue in keelhaul key if u use koops or bobbery to hit him
Yeah explosions usually kill Wacka instantly, so a 100% speed runner may opt to use Bobbery to save the time of going back and forth 8 times.
Clearly the only way forward now is to do all three on one save.. Chapter 1 Bonetail, which will set up for pre Chapter 6 Whacka, with an inbetween of Early Mush
"TTYD remake but I go for superbosses as early as possible"
exactly whan I'm doing on my current save :D
Hell
I can see the appeal in keeping him looking normal but I think it would’ve been hilarious if he climbed out of his hole and revealed that he’s a giant terrifying monster for the fight.
I’m kind of glad they kept the wholesome cutesy vibe, but it does make losing a little more embarrassing. I beat him first try though.
@@GabrielleHolgate-oh1jk Personally I'm glad they managed to retcon the whole "Wacka suffers" story so instead of us players being sadists, they made it a "game" for Wacka. His dialogue is different where instead of moaning in pain, he now screams "Direct HIT!" as if implying that he sees it as a game, and then him saying "It was fun, hope to see you again" and him attacking himself to spawn the bumps, it just feels "better". One of the several ways the remake toned down the ultra cynical and stoic dialogue of before and made the game feel more enjoyable and easier to read. Even the part where Mario "sells out Luigi" by pretending to be him is played more as Mario saying "Eh...he'll be alright...." than him deliberately threatening to get his brother arrested. Plus the Toad girl reveals in sheer embarassment that she acted way out of character. Making that infamous scene a lot easier to swallow than just "lol Luigi's getting bullied".
@@MarioMastar That's the first time I've seen Paper Mario referred to as "ultra cynical".
I can't wait for Bringle to suddenly put out a 30 minute documentary detailing the insane whacka lore he's been holding on to for all these years
whacka being added as a boss is honestly more satisfying than prince mush. we finally find out what this blue diglett can do
The fact that they turned a meme into an ascended meme fight really was the biggest glow up. This is the kind of stuff you expect to see in game mods like the excellent Paper Mario Master Quest (which does stuff like this a few times), but to see them add it to an official game was peak!
If Whacka and Mush joined forces, they could beat the Shadow Queen easy
Whacka would probably agree, since they seem to be a kind person and only fights because Mario is hitting him for bumps
@@Warhead7199He doesn't even technically "fight" you. He believes you're just playing with him. If he actually does go on an all out brawl, I don't think Prince Mush would be needed.
@@SpadeOfNades fair point
@@SpadeOfNadesWhacka becomes danger whacka on steroids and Mush is his backup in case something were to go wrong (which is very unlikely, but hey never hurt)
@@SpadeOfNades That's even implying Whacka has an "all out brawl" mode, the little guy seems to be absolutely clueless all the time.
Still, though, were it not for Rawk Hawk's poison cake, Mush would've solo'd Macho Grubba and thus could definitely mop up the Shadow Queen by himself (invincibility phase nonwithstanding because he'd definitely have the support of his sis and fans). Whacka would probably tag along with him just to have an opportunity to "play" more though.
11:51 Just wanna mention, Shell Shield is really good for this fight
It absorbs every single whacka bump hit Mario would've taken because the shell doesn't break until after the enemy finishes attacking
same case with vivian's move too though right?
Cause honestly, that's what ruins the challenge tbh. there's ways to counter whacka's really high damage and that's even assuming he gets a turn. Same can be said about prince mush as well. I feel like both needed higher stats to not get steamrolled by the DPS strats.
fun fact on whacka fight if you use Miss Mows (fight me she's my favorite party member) her basic attack every time the animation hits whacka a bump spawns even though she only does one instance of damage
Also my favorite party member.
Yeah, I really don't get why so many people call her the worst partner. It's true that she's not the strongest and is somewhat disappointing as the secret optional partner, but she's still useful. Her basic attack pierces defense, and being able to steal items before opponents use them can be quite helpful. Also, being able to steal badges is really cool, too. She's actually my go-to partner for the Pit, given how many items/badges enemies seem to have.
7:18 Whacka with eyelash-teeth is terrifying
Honestly I feel like whacka could of been a lot scarier if they let him have his heal and still attack. Either way he's a really fun little secret boss which in the end is good enough.
Challenge idea: Equip hammerman and Jumpman at the same time so you cant attack with mario
Imagine if the Reward from Prince Mush was not ONLY the Belt but he became your Partner and litterally the Best Partner in the Game as he starts off at Ultra Rank.
Kind of wish the Mush Belt was a badge that worked like that "Debug Badge" where it would automatically have Mario pull off successful action commands (though not super guards, just regular guards and only capping Power bounce at 7 so you don't soft lock, also like the Debug badge, manual input moves like sweet treat/feast still have to be manually done). THAT would be a really nice touch.
and I guess the Gold Wacka Bump could just be an indefinite Wacka bump, healing 25 HP and FP but never disappearing from your inventory. The game is pretty much over by then so having those to just "play with" would be cool.
I just want to mention that +4/+4 from Power Lift isn't that easy if you're using a wireless controller and playing on an LCD/LED TV. The remake does not handle input lag especially gracefully, and special moves are one of the places where you can see that the most.
they are indeed easy, use the + not the analog stick.
@@ThePolulos It's called the "D-Pad."
@@TicTacToeCraft thanks wasn't sure about it's name in english
Yeah that 30 FPS effectively cuts the visual timing cues in half. The timing is still the same as inputs are still grabbed when they are, but you kind of feel it when trying to do things fast and seeing the curser kind of lag. I've accidently hit SO many poison shrooms cause of that. Fortunately I got good at the timing of the various slot effects like the Pianta Parlor and the bonus cards in battle as the timing is consistent, so you just have to count it out.
How could a game handle input lag gracefully?
I like the Mover to floor 50, but I wish there was some other requirement to unlock an option to skip even more. Beyond a certain point, everything up to floor 80 starts to feel like it's just wasting time.
Honestly, anything feels more tedious than difficult with the right setups, even before you beat bonetail.
You have to basically hold back to have a challenge, cause this game is honestly quite easy when you learn how OP some stuff is.
Agreed, honestly should make it so you can skip to 90. the only floors that really matter in the post game and would be the fastest way to level up. Alas....back to the bullet bills in key hall with an automatic button presser and leaving the game running for a few days.
10:04 HE SAID IT for all you complaining about him saying Badge Power here you go
I was unaware you had to *meet* Whacka to have the Pit superboss... I was thinking he was like.. a different one of the same species kinda thing so was 100% expecting practically a Chapter 1 run of him.. since the one on Keelhaul Key talks like he doesn't want you to hit him and the Pit one seems like he's just seeing it as a game
Also.. interesting that Gale Force actually is somewhat based on Mario's level.. the instakill move being kinda balanced is surprising... if only other strats were more balanced so it wasn't outshined lol
Part of me wished he could attack both party members.. or at least swap when one is definitely KO'd
Strats? I have a late game Mario and still spammed Gale force. XD TTYD fans seem to watch these videos and think the only thing worth doing is Danger Mario without the danger stuff, but by actually playing the game, I made good use of EVERY partner, including Ms Mowz's defense piercing slap attack that costs 0 FP to clear out some bosses and single enemies.
In fact, I literally used Gale Force with 2 Flower Saver Ps (so it cost 2 FP per use) to clear out like 80% of the floors after doing the pit 3 times cause I didn't know how to get Wacka to appear. The biggest reason Flurrie is kind of forgotten about is because A. it's kind of RNG, and B. there's no real point in Ultra ranking her as Gale force doesn't improve with her tier. But hey, definitely don't discount other abilities. There is more to the game than Peril Yoshi and Multi bonk. (heck I diddn't even equip Power bounce, but mostly cause I suck at it and really didn't want to do peril strats. Just stick to Power Plus badges and seeing what I can do at any HP. No Pseudo Danger Mario stuff cause I REALLY couldn't be bothered to get myself to peril every fight.)
Bonetail and Whacka: They're not the hard part, getting there is the hard part.
yeah no, try doing the pre-hooktail pit. Bonetail is definetely the hardest part.
@@ThePolulos now how Abt impossible Mode pit
@@RandomDude-k7w we are talking about the base game
Vanilla Thousand Year door , yes , the hardest part is to get to them and if you lose or manage your resources badly , you are screwed
TTYD remake however now gives you the option of "retrying" the same battle , which pretty much is "try until you win"
I like how both of the new bosses in the remake try to get you to use your hammer more often, with Prince Mush's stances and hammer being a single hit instead of a multi hit like jumping, making it better for Whacka.
THe fact that they counter strats is what makes them so well designed. Just wish they had more health.
You inspired me to try the pit of 100 trials early when I got the game a month ago, except I completely forgot to gear up which meant Flurry’s gale force CARRIED me, I only lost when I got to bonetail. It’s really funny to see it mentioned now.
(I had literally just escaped chapter 2. I hadn’t even brought the emerald star to the door.)
WOOHOO! new bringle!! thanks for the videos !
Great stuff as always! Glad to see the Bringle squad growing with each video!
7:20 I'd call this more a revenge plot than a serial killing
Whacka does peacefully leave you alone at the bottom of the pit until you whack him.
Bonus points he "remembers" who you were with his "Oh so THAT'S Why you're here!"
I'm surprised you didn't kill whacka after finishing keelhaul key, because at that point the loading zone from the cave to whacka is much shorter than the loading zone of the camp to whacka
He probably did that more to make a point about the absolute earliest point you can interact with Wacka. It'd be even faster to just blow him up with Bobbery since that "kills" him instantly, though you don't get any bumps. Doesn't save you from having to finish chapter 5 anyway.
poor wacka, so strong, but his power is to doable for him to ever be a true challenge. if only he could be faught way earlier.
I love ❤ the ranking of the difficulty and layout with the bosses as well as any post chapter 6 if that's the earliest you can fight Whaka or pre chapter 6. I love that add I didn't know about to ever have played the remake before that you can mover coins to floor 50 and only have to do half the pit after beating it for the first time. Just wow 😮
The title is "How Early," not "Lowest Chapter", so I think it makes sense not to progress any of the story that you don't have to. So no returning the star.
More debatably, I think it makes sense to only be able to level up your partners as far as you could before completing the prerequisites. So level them up before chapter 6.
In short, I think what you did is the most authentic version of this trial.
(Though a Low% Beat Whacka run could be cool, too. Avoid all unnecessary level ups.)
Banger video as always, you are the goat
I haven't had the chance to play TTYD remake yet so I would appreciate if spoiler videos had *vague titles*
This is probably the one boss where using the hammer could arguably be a safer strategy than multibonks.
More thematic too
The easiest strat I found was Do nothing -> Wacka spawns tons of bumbs -> Jump + Veil -> Bumps hit nothing -> Veil mills a turn -> Wacka spawns tons of bumps again -> repeat.
I like how Mush and Wacka actually PUNISH the most op strats. Wacka is basically anti-Yoshi/Multi bonk. Shame they undertuned him as I'd have loved it if he ate a bump EVERY turn (and multiple if he had a lot of spares) and would randomly attack Mario and partner instead of just one at a time to REALLY make you regret attacking him multiple times in one turn. Thus making Bobbery and Hammer shine. He also needed WAY more health so you cant just charge Peril Yoshi or Goombella and beat him in like 2 turns. Give Mush 300 HP and Wacka 999 HP and the fights would be perfect.
4:30 if i had a nickel for every time a skill called galeforce was overpowered in an intelligent systems game, i'd have a phineas and ferb joke.
The best way to finish the pit, is to lower your max hp to 5 by talking to Chet Rippo and wearing lots of power rushes, which cost 100 piantas each in the pianta parlor.
TLDR: as early as after Cortez, you just have to have killed Bonetail and hit whacka 8 times while on Cortez Chapter.
Fun fact about Whacka that I learned while just messing around:
Superbova only does about 15 or 20 damage to Whacka, I didn't pay attention to the exact numbers but it is around that kind of damage.
Supernova ALWAYS does 15 damage to all enemies (EXCEPT Mush....the GOAT).
Could you do a challenge without using any special moves? They can carry fights and it would be interesting to see what badges and strategies you'd have to resort to without go tos like power lift.
No Power Lift would make Wacka a bit more interesting, but the problem is he doesn't "heal" every turn like he honestly should. having to make sure you do more than 25 damage to him per turn or maybe use a move like Gale force or bobomb blast to remove the bumps from the field would make the fight a lot more interesting, but the only real "Time bomb" is that he does so much damage to Mario, he might kill him. Even then his bumps aren't too hard to super guard.
i can't wait for some totally legit thousand year door remake games where you fight whacka in chapter 1. you just do too much damage when you can fight him first when he in could be insanely threatening with the healing + potential 100 damage in 1 turn split over multiple attacks. in my first fight i won in like 3 or so turn by just buffing and attacking
I think wacky would write it to Mario down to the pit of 100 trials so he can take revenge
Love the content 😊 has anyone else noticed the “spell” seems to activate less often during battles? I swear it feels like it got changed. I only got buffed like 3 times the entire trial and one double xp after a fight
Made Like A Dark Fucked Up Version Of Blue Diglett From Paper Mario Haha. A Full Stare Into My Twisted Perspective Would Make Most Simply Go Insane LMAO.
Whacka is a serial killer...but that's just a theory. A game theory!
thanks for making me feel terrible about my skills…
again
To be fair, he's been playing this game since he was a child
There's no competing with the ultimate veteran
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Whacka was honestly easy after my first playthrough cause any other playthrough I realized "oh, i can use shell shield and negate all damage lmao"
I always like two fight whacka with strong single hit damage like charged power smashes and explosions, coz yknow, whack
also he has unique dialogue when you power shell and blast him when you attack him in the overworld
Would love to see you attempt "Disabled Mario"
Hehe Flurrie clears the pit SO much! Even the 5x Elite Wizzerds get one shotted by Flurrie. Add 2 Flower saver Ps and she carries... Really made having to redo the pit like 3 times cause I couldn't figure out how to get Wacka to appear (tried to avoid spoilers, but had to look it up after doing it twice...)
Personally I do wish that Mush and Wacka had 300 HP and Wacka would ALWAYS eat one of his bumps as well as attack at the same time to really make the fight more strategic, since i love the mechanic of it being an anti-Yoshi/Power Bounce boss, though him being able to one shot Mario if he chooses to target him and you fail to guard/super guard does make him a high risk boss. I used Boo sheets after dying the first time to him, but he kept targetting my partner... personally I think the attack should've randomly targetted both Mario and Partner. Or at least on a refight against him maybe.
All in all though, like Mario RPG Remake, the super bosses were excellent and a great test of the skills and prep you learned through the game. Still personally would've loved if they had like 999 HP to really make you exhaust your items and options, but I'll take what I can get.
I can't wait for mods for the game, if that happens someday.
Fun Fact: Whacka always heals in the first turn (if damage was delt earlier).
13:11 For me, it’s swapping Bonetail and Prince Mush. I did not come close to a game over with Bonetail but I kept dying over and over again to Prince’s Mush’s attacks. His multi-hit attacks do major damage and I’m not the best at super guarding. What’s worse is that when your partner dies, they can also use life shrooms so tere goes one of Mario’s lives in the trash.
Yeah Bone tail is more a war of attrition, but Mush is a test of skill. Especially since when he has less than 25 health, he will perfectly parry EVERY attack you can throw at him, including item and effect damage (like return postage, which he already parries perfectly). So the ONLY way to damage him is to super guard to get him tired, then you can finish him off. Excellent EXCELLENT boss fight, but gosh I wish he had a lot more health so more people would notice. the whole "Charge Peril Yoshi/Goombella" seems to be the only way people act like the game can be played. and they laugh at how easy "Danger Mario" makes the game. I'd argue Peril Yoshi/Goombella is far worse when it comes to cheese strats. Especially since it's not even optimal in a lot of cases, just overkill. (Seriously, give Ms Mowz some power plusses and slap a chain chomp for 0 FP defense piercing. Other partners ARE useful in their niches.)
@@MarioMastar I thought he had 96 hp.
...so you _can_ fight Whacka before postgame. I'll have to see if I can proc the email during the Chapter 7 Bonus segment. I already recorded Chapter 7, but didn't get around to editing the footage for YT.
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I had heard whacka was at the bottom of the pit after beating it once and whacking him, so I went without waiting for the email and wasted like an hour or 2 just to get to an empty floor😭
There is a way to beat whacka without taking so much damage.
He'll only heal once so power bounce and multibonk on turn one to force the heal then switch into vivian. Power bounce with mario and veil with vivian. You'll never take damage. But I guess that isn't fun for a challenge video
Whacka is a pretty cool dude.
Question: did Flurries gale force give you star points on the GameCube? That’s OP
Yes it always did. Oddly Fright Jar does not. Oh and fun fact, Show stopper, the 2SP star move that does the exact same thing as gale force ALSO gives star points...and only costs 2SP. Really you only avoid using it cause it takes the fun out of the game.
The red whacka bump actually does 27 damage
and multiple can spawn, so these super bosses are out for BLOOD. Most players won't bother having Mario with over 100 HP but it does prevent you from just equipping tons of defense pluses and being physically immune to damage (though bonetail's defense piercing would still get past that, you need P down D up badges to realistically negate all damage in the game.)
i just kept hitting whacka with a hammer and make jinx hide me lol fit was over so quickly
Have you jumped on whacka or did other fun things with him on keelhaul key?
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I just kept doing spin jumps to beat wacka when I fought him
Didn't other people show you can beat Prince Mush much earlier, due to figuring out how the email mechanic works? It depends on the number of battles you have.
So, by avoiding battles, you made it take longer.
i found whacka....extremely easy. i just did normal power bounce shenanigans and literally super-guarded every single one of his attacks the first time fighting him. very lackluster for a superboss even if he was a joke one
He and Mush have far too little health. Great offense, but they die in a few charged/Peril Yoshi or Goombella attacks. at least Mush's 6 defense makes you work for it a bit, but still... they both needed at least 300 HP. I'd have honestly given Wacka 999 to really make you work for it. AND make him heal every turn there's an available bump so you need to really plan your attack and you get hard punished if you power bounce him.
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I know this is not relevant to your video but I watch your videos all the time.
Would you try a supergaurd run only run if possible? I know all attacks can't be super guarded but maybe u could do something else in them circumstances. If you could that would be super cool
It's based on the US Super Guards, so the original game's "No attacking" run would look very similar. In fact I recomment watching that video, it was really cool how creative he got.
Also, not all enemies can be hurt with super guards. enemies that attack indirectly (except Pokeys for some reason) will just sit there endlessly if you only superguard, and some bosses even when attacking directly won't be countered by super guard. Makes me REALLY wish Return Postage reflected ALL damage regardless, then it might actually be worth the 7 BP and doing the hardest challenge in the game, but GET THIS....Return postage doesn't work at all on Prince Mush. UTTERLY USELESS. (and naturally it doesn't work on wacka cause all his attacks are indirect)
Ok thank you
Wacka is really weak Bom-ombast. Since it's single attack move with lots of power, it's great for this battle despite the cost.
Do a pit of a 100 trials with just vivian/ only speacials prior to art attack…. Basically the nameless run… edit: given it’s impossible to go only Vivian… the other partners have to get killed off as you take w.e nessicary damege (no super guards) in that processs..:let’s make things challenging 😅
Can you even FIGHT Whacka floor 100 WITHOUT beating the GAME at least ONCE first.
I swear I guess I just had great RNG in the Whacka fight. He rarely healed, and I was pretty good and super guarding, so in my two fights with him, I beat him first try both times
He only seems to heal once....which is a massive shame. I was looking forward to this being an attrition battle.
This is one wacky video
What is the music in the background at the beginning. I remember it from my childhood but can’t recall where it’s from. It’s like a worm in my brain now, internet plz help!
Macho Grubba fight from gamecube thousand year door
Wacka Cheats, you might as well Multibonk/Power Bounce because if you try to go with single powerful hits he eventually shakes the arena and hits himself a ton of times spawning a full inventory of bumps anyways
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I need Prologue level-0-only Pit again!
the power lift abuser strikes again
5:35 my honest framerate reaction:
7:07 LMAO wtaf
Item only run
What are the lowest stats hp/fp/bp needed to beat him?
I beat the pit before I finished chapter 3 like I had 3 enemies to fight and I didn't get the email until I beat the game.😢
Whack-hooo
I wonder what ur fastest .. while skipping 80% of the fight. To get to the end the fastest
Okay but what if you took on Whacka restricting yourself to only the badges, partners, and upgrades you had access to in chapter 1? Continuing from a prehooktail pit of 100 trials save file and using bump attack to ignore all the enemies in ch1-ch5
I think the superbosses in the dlc dont lend themselves well to challenge runs unfortunately because they feel too intricately designed compared to Bonetail. Mega Rush Goombella would need a few turns to do it plus a bit of Mario chipping in as well and if you theoretically superguarded enough I suppose you could win? Charge isnt available by that point and neither is power rush p or either rush for Mario so I don't know how one would do this besides being lucky or insanely skilled as Goombella wont be able to get back to 1 HP most likely even if they use a life shroom.
The main issue is how efficient and infinite Whacka's heal is. As far as I know as long as he has bumps to eat he can infinitely heal unlike Bonetail's finite 3 times to heal. Mario with only CP1 badges cant do that damage so Mega Rush P is the only strat and you would need to be a god to do that (Or get quite lucky, but that also isnt very interesting).
@@jxgalaxy3810 challenge runners have certainly dealt with worse (looking at you pre-starpoints pit). I do agree it'll be a total super guard fest.
You can reduce Whacka's damage for yellow bumps to 2 with the two available Last Stand P. And I think Koops is kind of key here, but I need to test the shell shield interaction more
The biggest problem is the red bump heal, that'll put a damper on things. But at least everything Whacka does can be super guarded, so it's a bit of an endurance battle
@@justwantawholename 2 will still kill a 1 HP partner. I’m not saying it’s impossible but I think it will be mostly luck and superguard based with no real strategy
Whacka is easier then bonetail and mush In my opinion but mush is the hardest in my opinion.
How early can u whack whacka
YES YES YES
No for me it's bonetail easiest 3. wacka second hardest 2 and prince mush being the hardest I have died 6+ times to him all together on my first and second playthrough. I would agree with you if it was the original for bonetail but you can just retry him again but this is my opinion.
3:06 You can get the Up Arrow as soon as you have Bobbery. You only need to hold up the Sapphire Star so that you can give Merlon the Up arrow.
Block tales
Video Idea: Hammer only, Zess T. items only, One Badge at a time limit
This video is so whack. Also amazing song choices
I dont like this