Driver Ball Position Mistake That Nobody Tells You!
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- The subject of Ball Position in golf doesn't get much attention, but it plays a significant role in how you deliver the club to the ball and the resulting shot that you hit.
Ball position should not be set in stone. Instead, ball position is a variable and should be used to manage your swing path and intended shot shape which we can do with the Stack & Tilt GRID system which I explain in more detail here.
The biggest mistake made with Ball Position happens with the Driver and comes about because people are incorrectly using the FEET as the reference point for measuring their ball position. The correct place to measure the Ball Position from is the lead shoulder, as this is the centre of the swing.
In this video, I'll demonstrate this common error and show you how to measure the Ball Position correctly to help you improve the quality and consistency of all your shots and show you how to DRAW and FADE the ball at will.
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Omg! This is a life changing concept. I can’t wait to go back to the driving range! That lean back flaw speaks volumes!
You are such an outstanding instructor, Rob, and you don’t know how grateful I am for the many valuable videos that you have provided to us. Like the other videos, I think this one will help me a lot. Thank you!!!
Thank you so much! 🙏🏻
I’ve heard in front of your lead armpit. One ball position. Your trail foot gets closer your lead foot as the clubs get shorter, but the ball doesn’t move relative to the lead armpit.
I’ve never heard anyone break this down how you have. Pretty much every PGA Pro I’ve had lessons from, say to lean back to add more distance and power when you use driver. I won’t be doing that ever again! And no more foot reference setup. Had no ideal that it’s the front shoulder that is the center of the entire swing! Incredible, thank you sir! I subscribed just now!🫡
Brilliant! I’ve seen many things/lessons on hitting driver but never like this. Nor have I seen any as detailed and explained so well. Thank you so much Rob
I often make the mistake of watching RUclips videos and then heading out to play. I watched this video last night and let it sink in. I hit a few balls at the range before went out and played and noticed a difference. Then went out and shot the best nine holes of my life. I think this tip is a game changer.
A follow-up thought to this as well..
The whole issue of Axis Tilt has always aggravated me. It's never worked to try and drop my left shoulder and always created issues with hitting the ball "fat or thin".
If I keep my left shoulder as the "radius of the circle" and keep my left shoulder in line with the ball (vs. shifting to the right), I believe I was hitting the ball WITH axis tilt much more accurately and straighter.
I need to get out again and see if it was a fluke (as golf can often do to you), but again - best score of my life today - 10 pars in a row, almost every single GIR (or just 5-10 feet off the green), no lost balls, etc.
That’s amazing! 😎
Straight forward useful information that any player can put into practice in a short range session. Rob is simply one of the best!
Thank you, Ed! 🤩
Since lining up the ball with my left armpit or shoulder & not inside the left heel, my driving has been a joy. I would encourage everyone to follow your advice, Rob.
That's great to hear! 👍🏻
It's basically the same thing isn't it - if your feet are spaced appropriately to optimally hit a driver? Or does lining it up with armpit put the ball further forward?
@@MMcG25 Further forward & exactly where it should be.
You are absolutely the best at making sense of the golf swing !
Thanks! 👍
At last, someone that explanes an easy way to hit the driver. Always struggling to know why sometimes I hit right and others left and very little straight.
Fantastic tuition which most golfers don't consider.
THIS! Having struggled with ball positioning for a few decades ... I recently threw that out and said Forget it! My lead shoulder is my new reference point, feet be damned. And the results have been phenomenal. Thanks for such a great video overview AND confirmation... Outstanding teaching.
The explanation was clear, concise and well demonstrated. Thank you 😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks Rob, this has been the missing piece of info that's been frustrating me for past few years. Very well explained and demonstrated!
My first time watching one of your videos, and I know that I've learned something new. Can't wait to try this out at the range. Good work, keep it up!
Straight up, no bull instruction. Appreciate this.
Thanks for watching! 👍🏻
HOLY SHIT....I'm not sure what else to say. I've never seen this explained this clearly or in this detail. I think you just explained to me why I'm struggling with pulling the driver.
I really like your videos. You get to the point. Too many instructors on the site spend 15 minutes on background and chatter. Love your style.
THANK YOU!
Glad it helped! Thanks for watching! 👍🏻
Rob is one of the best golf instructors on the planet. I’m SO tired of seeing these other “instructors”, who post videos of swings, then ask the public what they see. How is that helpful to the golfing public at large?!? There are a small handful of amazing teachers, who provide clear and concise explanations for helping the average player. Rob is one of them. Tom Saguto and Dan Grieve are a couple others…👍
Your lessons are solid gold!
This instruction has made a lot of sense to me. I can't wait to try it out on the range.
Impeccable timing…, a few of your lessons have coincided with the exact problems I have been experiencing…, my last trips to the driving range have revealed a severe hook to the right, after hitting my irons relatively straight…, I noticed when I move the ball back in my stance with the driver I was able to correct the problem but didn’t understand why…, this lesson reveals my problem👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
best coaching content on YT....applied a few of your set up methods on course and balls are shaping at will now. cheers
Happy to tell you that on this Sunday morning in France, everybody in my collective class has been watching your video with a lot of attention. It was also a good translation exercise.
Keep up the fantastic work !!
That's incredible! Thank you for sharing! 🙏🏻
Thanks Rob.Your description is spot on. I have had a number of lessons where I have been told to place the ball further forward for the driver, resulting in in a slice. I now have a better understanding of the mechanics.
Gotta luv the simplicity in this approach! Nice work here!
This and your driver video from a few weeks ago really helped - found a groove and striping some well hit drives. THANK YOU
Thanks Rob!! Very helpful. I have adopted the S & T philosophy for the past few months and it has really helped me 'bring together' so many different swing thoughts and practice techniques. I was able to break 80 for the first time yesterday and as I hopped on the struggle bus for the last few holes I was able to tap back in to my S & T principles and your teachings and bring it home hahaha. Thanks for so freely sharing your passion and knowledge.
That’s amazing! Thanks for sharing! 👍🏻
That's awesome Steven! Congrats on breaking 80!
My god, another video!. Excellent as usual. Never stop learning. Thank you.
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Thanks Rob, Happy Golfing ⛳️
I can't wait to try this. I have had a difficult time drawing the driver and I've always placed the ball just inside my left toe and so as not to get my body out in front of the ball and club head, I would lean my head back behind the ball.
These "pointers" were picked up by other "instructors" and now I know why it has been almost impossible for me to draw the driver.
Essentially the ball has been too far forward and despite trying to swing inside out, I still was swinging outside in and coming over the top.
Small changes such as this can give big results. Can't wait to try it soon.
Straightforward presentation, subbed. Forgot about the lead shoulder alignment and been putting the ball so far forward. Major slice city. Club path also clearly explained.
Thank you! Glad the video was a good reminder for you! 👍🏻
Wow, I'm going to say it, You are the man! I just came from the driving range and this is exactly what I needed. I kept shifting around trying to get my ball position in the best place for me, and now voila', this was in my recommended videos. I am now going to watch your other driver videos. Thanks a million, you now have a new Subscriber.
That's great to hear! Thanks for subscribing, I hope you enjoy the other videos! 👍🏻
Great video Rob, thanks!
Looking forward to practicing this!
Really good clear video. Great content. Thanks.
This was so helpful. I’ve been hitting every club in the bag, but driver, including my five wood, great, and a big part of it was trying to overexaggerate the tilt. I hit a very soft draw in all clubs and then have been hitting a push fade with my driver and lower than all the other clubs this totally explains it, going to the range now to test it.
Excellent explanation sir. Makes perfect sense. Can’t wait to see my stock 260 fades turn into 270 straight drives
Very well done, Rob. Thank you so much I will give it a try and leg you know the outcome.
Yet another great video, Rob! I'm one of the people who struggles with driver. I will concentrate on placing the ball under my lead shoulder.
Props on this video
Rob you are spot on! You fixed how I set up for sure. Thanks sir.
Glad to help! 👍🏻
1st time on a big course last weekend Shore cliffs and man I needed this lol ty for this what a blessing!
CANNOT WAIT TO TRY THIS - awesome explanation, thanks
Good luck! 😉
Great video, and superclear information!
This made me think about why my "stinger" drives were much more accurate and safe, rather than my standard drives where i always aim to have the ball further forward towards the lead heel, will be a fun experiment to see if i can keep the ball back just a little and launch it higher for a more straight standard drive!
Rob, thanks for this, a really great expiation of something I did not fully understand. My aiming direction and stance i.e. square, open or closed is also highly impactful on the resulting shot.
Wow! I love your videos. Thank you very much for helping me with my driver.
great video!
Wish I had seen this earlier, went to range after watching this and it works instantly, hopefully translates to the course 🙃
Great illustration ❤
Thank you so much 😀
Excellent
This is a very solid vid! Thank you!
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it! 👍🏻
Great job and excellent video! I am very decent with my irons but not good with my driver. Now, I know..Thanks! Too bad that I can’t be there for you to check my swings.
This is huge and crazy underrated from a coaching perspective
Thanks Rob
Great video.
Thank you, John!
Rob, you do such a great job on your videos. I run 2 golf leagues and a golf tour in Florida, and I've recommended your channel to lots of my 750+ players. Hopefully we can help grow your reach! I have been struggling mightily with my driver, and heading to play now. I think part of my issue is ball too far forward, as I've topped several lately or hit them thin and weak to the right. Trying to not stand up in the downswing, but I think ball position might also be too far forward.
Wow, that's very kind of you to recommend the videos. I'm happy they are providing you with such value. I appreciate the support! 🙏🏻
Do you lead arm pit or lead shoulder? Seems to me it is the lead arm pit where the lead shoulder begins. Lead shoulder is at least four inches in width so what d o you mean?
He mentions the center of the shoulder around the 11:40 mark. I'm not sure if that's it or not
This is a good question
Just subscribed brilliant vid
Thanks for the driver videos, huge help. I gave up on stack and tilt even the my iron play was the best ever, cause I never could figure out the driver. Thanks to your videos I’m close to the best ball striking in years! One question, weight distribution and transfer. Starting about 60/40 left , what’s the weight at the top, then impact. That would be a huge help, please point me to one of your videos for explanation. Thanks again and looking to get back to scratch!!
Thanks Rob! I have struggled with my driver the past few months. I’ve been adopting the S and T principles and the driver has been my biggest problem. I’ve always hit a slight draw with my irons but the driver wants to fade or slice to the right. This May be the missing piece of the puzzle!
You have some great videos
Glad you like them, Bob! Thanks for watching! 👍🏻
All i can say is THANK YOU Rob. A light bulb moment for me!
If I could post a GIF here it would be the Tim & Eric 'Mind Blown' one, you just described every problem I have with my game. The longer the club the more it fades / slices, and no matter what I try with my wrists I keep hitting booming slices or hooks and my best drives are fades. I definitely haven't been paying attention to where my lead shoulder is, just where my feet are and how wide my stance is.
So happy to hear that the video was helpful for you! 👍🏻
Nice, thank you. When i set up in such a manor, i feel cramped at setup and dont feel i have the room to get through contact. Solution?
Excellent video as usual. Can you do a video on stack and tilt release .
Thanks.
This makes perfect sense and it works for me with my driver. How about showing the same principle but with say a 4 hybrid, 7 iron, and pitching wedge. I'm expecting the orientation of the left shoulder may change with the shorting of the club vs. the driver.
Hi Rob -- super video. I think it rivals (at least for me) the swing hard/stop fast, which I thought was the best ever. That said, I already took today's thought to the range and noticed my first few swings had the feeling of too much right hand trying to find the low spot. However, after about five swings, I felt a much more 'left arm' -- I'm thinking that's way better -- swing and really better low point and strike. From here: how about a more in-depth video on aim? Not so much alignment, but 'aim,' as I tend to either get my shoulders more open or closed with this new positioning. Again, great video -- Tom in Texas
Great explanation. Is there a video explaining the tilt of the upper body with the driver? This also has an effect on the position of the ball. You obviously play without a large lateral tilt.
I enjoy all your videos going back several years. Great communicator. I would like some feedback on what the measurements are on the Grid Diagram with the tee claw devices. I have a copy of the original Stack & Tilt book but there is no picture of the Grid Diagram in it. Keep up the good work. Thank you.
This is really helpful. I find with driver it’s easier to make contact high enough on the face if I play the ball more forward so I play more of a slight fade. Do you mess around with tee height at all depending on where you have the ball position
I only just started moving the ball just a bit towards centre of my stance before I saw this video and I started hitting straighter drives . This video confirms what I started to think anyway . Where were you 4 years ago ..😂 only joking great video rob . 👍
Excelente lección Master !!
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Gracias, amigos! 🙏🏻
Rob, Great video, never seen it broke down so simple before. I actually used this technique last night and it worked for my driver and woods. Where would the lead shoulder be for irons? Is is different for each set of irons (high irons to mid, to wedges)? Thanks, Bill
Rob is that a 905R? great video as always!
Hi Rob, thanks for the video, and the online lesson! I have a question about this topic. Placing the ball further ahead would promote a more out to in swing path on the arc as you have mentioned but it would also give more time for the club face to close. As per Adam Young the club face direction has a greater impact on ball flight direction than the path so how do you reconcile increased fades by putting the ball forward with a more closed face? Thanks!
Great explanation of ball position. Just going down the S&T path. Already more compression. But getting sloppy with my ball position is hurting me. Crazy that your slice swing didn’t look that bad, but how much position affected the result
Thanks for watching! Happy the video was helpful for you! 👍🏻
I was fade slicing during yesterday's round and now I see why. I think I had too much spine tilt placing the ball more forward than normal. I will have to concentrate on where my lead shoulder is at set up.
Never been a bad driver. Lately I've been playing all my irons further back, and moved the driver ball position back a bit, kind of where you are at. Used to play it much further up... my occasional hook was a direct result
When referencing your own swing, you draw the line down from the very INSIDE of you shoulder. When setting up for a fade, you say the ball is well forward - it is more like the outside of your shoulder. But then you show Rory, seemingly to back up your theory, but the line to the ball is on the outside of Rory's shoulder, a position you are arguing leads to a natural fade, which is not what Rory is setting up for. On the whole I am unconvinced, but nevertheless will give it a try next time I hit the range, especially since so many commenters had good results. I'm also curious about your foot alignment - seems closed / well right of target and I wonder how that interacts with your ball position. I do wonder if maybe this is good advice for high handicappers but not helpful for people who already understand the swing pretty well.
Thanks Rob. so position the ball opposite the heel; the amount of body lean back determines position of ball, relative to shoulder, at IMPACT? If I want a positive angle of attack, say 5 degrees, and lean back, will that not put ball ahead of shoulder and lead to a slice? what if I want a positive angle of attack draw? Thanks for the video, I subscribed and liked.
Them kicks OG 🤤🫡
Rob, do we keep the leading arm also in position 3?
Rob,
Manipulating your setup while referencing your mat appears fairly simple, but how do you ensure proper alignment when you're in the tee box? What's the best way to align the ball with your lead shoulder during your on course set up?
And all of the pros have been doing it wrong for all these years ...amazing !!!
Rob, I tried this yesterday on the course, had a hard time lining up the lead shoulder in front of the ball for a draw. My problem was once I set my shoulder in front of the ball, the ball was lined up more almost center of my feet? Any suggestions? Bill
Thanks for this. No wonder I can't get the driver right coz my ball is so far forward.
Glad to help 👍🏻
I think the other key is finding the golfers most effective position. I noticed on the ball that went 245 carry the Smashfactor was an amazing 1.51 but a 98 club speed vs. the last shot which was 108 speed but 1.4 smash and had 20 yards less carry.
“The lead shoulder is the center of the golf swing.” I went back and listened multiple times to make sure I heard this right. How in the world could the lead shoulder be the center of the golf swing? Could you explain how that is possible?
I understand how this may work better, but even when you had the ball at your lead shoulder, the line to the ball from your left foot was still at your left heal.
What about with irons?
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Can u still hit up on the golf ball like this?
Unusual set the ball up in front of my front foot.... I'm a baseball guy tho so it's more comfortable for me
I see you repositioning your angle of tilt with driver - not necessarily where you position the ball - am I missing something?
Do you think eye dominance plays any role here?
Aha this explains my hooks and slices with my driver... off to d range.. lol
Good luck!
When I place the ball further back I tend to hit big pushes. What’s the fix?
Close the club face more
@@robcheneygolf1release the club more maybe?
@@robcheneygolf1 sometimes the most obvious answer is the best answer! Thanks!
I’ve tried all of this and I still draw/hook the ball. I’ve tried opening the face wide open and hitting down on the driver and it still draws. The further forward I put it the more it pull hooks. The further back- the more it snap hooks
The face must still be closing as you swing to produce the shots you’re describing.
Never understood Why golfers tweak their set up because of swing faults instead of fixing their swing faults
Why can’t we see him swinging his club from the front view, the rear view is useless.
I have a draw biased driver how would the setup differ than what you've shown on the Video.