Sagola 4600 DVR v Devilbiss DV1 C2 Clear For Clear Coat
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- Опубликовано: 9 ноя 2022
- My ramblings on the Sagola 4600 Xtreme DVR Clear and the Devilbiss DV1 C2 cap combination, both really good clear guns but quite different the way they go about there work, hope you enjoy the video, thanks for watching 👍
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How did I miss this awesome video ? Better late than never ! Thank ! I love the Sagola
Hi Mitchell, where have you been 🤣😂, good to hear you liked it, buddy, cheers 👍
AWESOME content and not too long 👀💯👍 TYVM
Just got a sagola 4600 1.3xl and its great. I normally use a devilbiss prolite. Sagolla is definitely takes some getting used to. But when you do,it's awesome.
Hi Oscar, they are a lovely gun, faster than the Pro Lite so you need to get used to that but, as you say, when you do they are great guns, really well made as well, glad you like it 👍
I just ordered a Sagola 4600 Xtreme 1.3 Titania. I hope it does high solids clear and maybe single stage. I have a Tekna Copper now that works great for base coats and medium solids clear coats.
Hi buddy, I don't think you'll be disappointed with the Sagola, the Titania cap is a great all rounder, it has slightly less delivery than the DVR Clear cap but i think you'll like it 👍
Hello Pete wow wow that’s two very nice flat finishes , well done mate !!!
I love the 4600 1.3 XL DVR Clear, I really like the speed of the gun . In all this time I’ve just never considered the Devilbiss GTI Pro Lite but I can certainly see it’s value in your video Pete , great comparison 👍
Hi Roger, the finish was more or less identical, it's just the Sagola got there 10 seconds a coat faster! , quite a difference, its a great gun as you know, I really enjoy using it, cheers mate 👍
Good
Thanks, buddy, much appreciated 👍
Hi Pete, it's surprising how 2 different guns with the same size tip sprays so differently the Sagola is a lot faster than the DV1, it goes to show that the aircap influences the gun speed almost as much as the tip size🤔
It's interesting that you find both the C1 and C2 cap gives the same finish but I think the C1 gives the same finish as the T110 and the C2 gives the same finish as the TE20, yeah they are similar but I find the C1 gives a slightly flatter finish and likewise the same with the T110, I think how the painter sprays also plays a part in the finish🤔🤷♂
Really good finish on both of those panels mate, lovely flat finish from both guns, great job Pete👏👍
Hi John, yes, quite stark when you look at the second coat, the Sagola is 10 seconds faster, the cap is without doubt the most influential part of the gun, quite striking though.
I can seem to get as good a finish from the C1 as C2, although the C1 1.2 combination does seem a little flatter than the 1.3. but there's very little in it.
As with all these gun's they are getting expensive so the Sagola is not the clear cut winner it always was for me buy its right up there still, I just have to think a little harder now to make a choice 😉 cheers mate 👍
Yeah I was looking at getting a Sagola at some point but the price has gone up so they are nearly the same as the other top end guns which is a shame, atm I'm quite happy with the clear guns I have but I would like to add another basecoat gun which hopefully will be the WS400S2 OBS but again it's the price which is quite painful😅👍
I love my 1.2 and 1.2xl. I like to go back and add more if i need to but once you get that fatty chop in clear thats it
I went form a sata 5000 1.2 rp to a c2 and after a week or so I sold it and bought a 5500X 1.2i . I think my 5000 was the best I have ever owned .
Hi buddy, yes, sounds like you like a faster gun which the 5000 certainly is, the 5500 is faster than the Devilbiss but not as fast as the 5000, i think you would like the Sagola 4600 by the sounds of it 👍
I will let you know. Thanks
Just got the dv1 clear gun and was wondering could u spray base coat with this gun?
I recently switched over from my 3 walcom guns the gensi 360 light base hte, genesi 360 light clear hte, and ego 190 hte mini to the 3 DV1 guns. I prefer the C1 cap with 1.2mm for high solids. At first i was concerned about slower sweep speed but i actually like it better because i can follow what im doing while hammering high solids down at 10psi. My walcoms were faster but also using 25psi to 30psi. I also find i get way less overspray with dv1 over walcom hte
Hi buddy, did you get the DV1s mini gun as well? , I find it much better than the Ego 190
Hi Pete, good points about the gun being right for the painter, I have found my ANI F160 is very slightly faster than my R160Q, the F160 has a much bigger fan on it and seemingly like a hose compared to the R160Q they was for completely different applications though so not surprising really but felt so much faster to me and personally with the small amount of spraying I have done I wouldn’t want to go much faster, well not yet anyway 😅
I forgot to say in your last video, I’m surprised that other painters count the turns from fully unwound 😮 as you say from fully in and counting the turns out is in my opinion the most accurate and repeatable I was amazed that people done it that way. Thanks for another great video Pete as always. Cheers.
Hi Steve, as you say the F160 is more of everything, can seem a bit daunting at first but you'll get used to it and I'm sure you'll love it especially doing full bumpers and the like.
Shame we have winter coming as it makes it more difficult but it will soon pass.
Yes, it seems a lot of people do it the fluid the other way, the idea I've been told is to tighten the rear adjuster until you feel the needle start to move wile you have the trigger in, then it's whatever number of turns in that suits your particular requirements, seems easier to me to just wind it in and out, cheers mate, thanks for watching 👍
I haven't got the gun yet, but I'm excited
I know the feeling 😁
sorry forgot to ask about the titania cap looks like it a great option Also I learned to spray in a cabinet shop years ago and we had to spray full out so I spray very fast that's what took me to Sagola
It you spray fast the XL tips will be better, the DV1 isn't a fast gun so you would be better off with the Sagola
Hi Peter great video as always just a quick one where did u get the sagola from? Cheers
Hi mate, I got this one used on eBay in the UK, it was really good condition and it had 2 extra caps, the Titania and the Aqua as well as the DVR cap, i got it at auction and it was £270 GBP, a bargain when you consider how much they are now
I bought the Sagola 4600 DVR clear 1.3XL per your recommendation and I absolutely love it. It is a very fast gun with an outstanding finish. What more can you ask for? Granted I’ve never tried the dv1. Thanks Pete.
Hi Mate, Good to hear you like it. It's one of my favourite guns.
Not everyone will get on with it as it is definitely fast. Even if you go down in tip size, it's still trucks along.
If you like the Sagola, you probably won't like the DV1 as it's goes about things in a different way. Cheers, buddy, thanks for letting me know 👍
I just purchased a DV1, I was kinda scared Iwata and a sogole because I didn't want to get any runs. I don't see the best and I like moving a little slower
Hi Gary, Did you get it with the C1 cap? , it sounds like exactly what you want, I think it is ideal for painters that want more control with a quality finish. It would be interesting to hear what you think when you have used it. If you would let me know, cheers 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 I'll let you know. I think it came with c1.
Would love to see the sagola 4600 vs walcom 360 lite/evo 😇👍 , these two seem to be the best on the market at the moment!
Hi Andrew, I'll sort it out one day, I have a Walcom v Sata 5000 RP one done, battle of the canon's 🤣 , will get one done when I can, they are my favourite guns so should do really, cheers 👍
😅 , cannons are great! . For honesty there's a reason I ask ... I'm looking for a new gun and narrowed it down to these two , I'm an industrial painter of weekdays (trays , trailers , caravans and sundries ) which includes a lot of what requires high quality finishes , and car ~restoration of a weekend . My current guns are getting a bit old and worn , with exception to my advance hd , which is probably what's making my other guns feel avg 😳(ws400 , w400wb1 , pro , pro lite and some other randoms) but it's a pot gun so not usable in all situations . Anyways , looking forward to it and thanks for all of your great vids 👍
Hi Pete. You say that you prefer the Sagola over the DV1 for clear.
Now I know that the Meiji Finer Core is probably one of the better made guns that you own, but how does it stack up against these two guns as far as speed and finish is concerned. With that said, I don't recall you comparing the Meiji to any of your other guns. Please do a comparison if you don't mind. Thanks and Cheers!
Hi Morlino, I will do a few comparisons with the Meiji Finer Core, the Sagola I really like as it's fast, not for everyone but I like it, the Finer Core is certainly more like the Devilbiss speed wise, they are all capable of excellent quality finishes
Yes its a like from me pete I love them sogola 4600 pete mate what temperature 🌡 is the clear coat paint and do you use that setting all the time for the clear coat just i think I have a temperature gun 🔫 the finsh is outstanding 👌
Hi Andrew, hope you're well mate, yes, most times i spray clear i have the fluid on full and the fan on full
@@peteshobbies5383 pete the temperature 🌡 mate in them paint cups 🥤 is it the same temperature 🌡 all the time
For Clear i try and keep it around 35c but it will depend on the clear and hardener , the ambient temperature and how much you have to do, if it's just a panel or 2 and it's not hot weather then 35c is a good temperature
Thanks pete I liked the DV1 but I'm a devilbis guy 👍👍👍
Hi Dean, yeah, they are a good gun, it's quite interesting though how different these two are in how they go about laying clear, huge speed difference, cheers mate 👍
I have both and you definitely can't go wrong with either. The Sagola is definitely faster. My question is how is the Sagola compared to the ANI skull gun?
Hi Jeremy, I think i prefer the Sagola, although if someone was to ask me to recommend one i would say the Skull because it's clearly better value i think the Sagola is better made, although the ANI is well made it's not as substantial as the Sagola if that makes sense.
Performance wise it's close, the ANI is very good and having 3 caps is a great idea for people that don't want loads of different guns
Just picked up the new Sagola 4600. Definitely a smaller and lighter spray gun than the extreme. I haven't got to spray it yet, but I am looking forward to it!
@jeremyoetken2094 Hi Jeremy, It's on my list to get, I'm not surprised it's lighter than the older model as it's quite a lump. Hopefully, it will retain the durability shown by the original model.
Be interesting to hear what you think 🤔, cheers 👍
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Thank you buddy, hope alls well with you 👍
I have a chance to buy the set of 3 dv1
DV1 PLUS PRIMER 3 GUN B UNDLE
DEV704702 $1334.00 or get the Sagola 4600 with titania cap 1.2xl or 1.3 xland add the aqua cap that combo is $900 or 1100 digital air which way would you go and on the sagola would you do the 1.2 or 1.3 cap and would you do them in standard or xl I want to spray primer, base, single stage and clears and with the cap change I talked to Sagola they said that's not a problem on base and clear but on primer might need to change needle or get there 3300 model your help please
Hi Shannon, the Sagola is not really a primer gun, not heard of the DV1 for primer although they do make a big range of tips, certainly the 3300 is available in 1.8 so is a good HB primer gun, what DV1 are you thinking of for primer?
i have an old sata 3000 1.3 for solid bases that i will never replace, 33 psi at the regulator it will lay down glass clear as well but its wasteful.. although i only use it for bases... i bought a ws400 1301hc s1 supernova which i also slow down a bit , its probly just my setup but i have to run 2-3.5 psi higher to get the size droplets i like ... thanks for an honest review, i personally do not like fast guns and slow then to my pace.. your right about everyone likes different things, but usually its not the gun its the gunman that cannot use it right. it does seem however that some guns are a bit easier to get really flat clear with these days .... and you have to know your clear, hardener and reducer if using and mind the actual temperature, they all make a difference.
Hi Rick, your right, there are so many variables that needs to be taken into account, I try and explain as best i can what i find with all these gun's.
I'm in quite a privileged position to be able to use and afford all these, I'm not trying to sell anything I'm just passing on what i find and indeed people can see for themselves and be the judge but there are so many variables particularly the temperature, humidity, type of clear used as well as the style of the individual and of course what's required for the final finish.
You mention your WS400 have you seen my videos on the series 1 and setting the tip cut outs level with the air horns? , it does make the gun atomise finer so maybe something to try of you haven't already, thanks for watching buddy 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 yes sir i did,
Best setup for the sagola?
I think I gave the settings in the video. Normally, I use full fan and fluid at 2 bar or 29psi, depending on what you are doing and what tip size you have, materials and temperature, etc
ANi Black the best gun 😁😁👍😄👍😄
Hi Buddy, it's certainly a really good gun but not sure it's the best 😂 👍
Great great videos as always" i have been in the auto body trade since 1999; & I have been working in a production shop as a journey level painter for 8-9 yrs & I always learn something from watching your videos": Thanks Pete :🏌️🏌️
Thanks David, I genuinely enjoy making them and i think you'll agree there's something we painters can learn all the time weather it be technique, products or equipment.
I really enjoy the different spray guns and seeing what if any the difference is, I have an engineering background so it tends to lead from that i guess, thanks for watching 👍
DeVilbiss DV1 Guns and GPG Primer Gun 3-Gun Bundles
DeVilbiss DV1 Guns and GPG Primer Gun 3-Gun Bundles include:
* One DV1 base coat gun (704504) with 1.2, 1.3, 1.4mm fluid tips and a B Plus HVLP air cap
* One DV1 clear coat gun (704521) with 1.2, 1.3, 1.4mm fluid tips and C1 Plus and C2 Plus air caps
* One cupped GPG primer gun (905026) with 1.4, 1.6mm fluid tips and PR10 and PR30 air caps
this is the guns and tips that come in the set.
That makes sense, the GPG is a good primer gun, i haven't used one but i have the Pri Pro Lite PR10 and that is more or less the same and very good
The Devilbiss DV1 Base is also very good.
The DV1 Clear gun even with the C2 cap is much slower than the Sagola.
If I was to choose i would go with the Sagola 3300 for primer, the Sagola 1.2 xl 4600 Aqua for base and the Sagola 4600 DVR in 1.3xl for clear
@@peteshobbies5383 I think I am going sagola 4600 non digital with titania cap in 1.2 xl and maybe anthor size for single stage paints and getting a sagola 3300 for a primer gun ? is the air gauge in the gun worth the extra 300$
where does the Titania cap follow into your spraying solution
No, you're better off getting a good-quality regulator with a diaphragm, keeps the air flow nice and even
The Titania is a really good all round cap, it's a bit slower for clear compared to the DVR cap
Diantara keduanya mana yang paling bagus pak Pete??
Hi buddy, of these 2, I prefer the Sagola , it's quite expensive in some markets though these days
@@peteshobbies5383 terimakasih pak Pete informasinya 🙏🙏
@rudinew4412 You're welcome, buddy 👍
I think sagola is still slow for big painting i have same sagola and sata 5500 digita and sata is faster
Hi Buddy, it's depends on the setup. What setup are you using in the Sagola?