Jacob Collier is the “hyper realistic painting” of the music world. Just because something is technically impressive. Does not make it listenable, good, or artistically significant.
Honestly, one of the best comparisons. I honestly do not get people who like looking at hyper realistic painting, what truly sets it apart from photography.
@@mocapcow2933 to appreciate the skill involved with making it mostly. It's cool to look for small details the artist included, or appreciate how techniques like color choice and lightning are used to their fullest extent.
@@mocapcow2933 I mean I agree when it comes to art of stuff you could just easily photograph and jt would look exactly the same, but I absolutely see the appeal of hyperrealistic fantasy or science fiction art, and think it definitely involves some form of creativity and sense of aesthetic.
That's the best analogy ever. But what I'm hearing actually is that this is a person that has never had to struggle in his life for anything. He's musically very proficient obviously but his music has absolutely no substance. Under the surface these are all silly pop songs and nothing more
His musical/production style reminds me of Bill Wurtz (with the vocal harmonies & complex chord progressions) but Bill has a clear artistic and thematic vision that Jacob is lacking
Bill Wurtz is someone who doesn't just know complex music theory stuff, he knows how to make really cohesive and satisfying _songs._ Also he's wayyy more skilled of a producer at making his music sound good.
Brad claiming that the poor quality mix would be the most memorable thing about the first song and then getting blindsided by the “Radio Song” ass switch up was maybe the most entertaining thing I’ve seen all month.
The most frustrating thing is if Jacob completely nixed lyrical content and made all his music instrumental it would be 100% more enjoyable. Dude has absolutely nothing to say in any of his music and it's so clearly an afterthought; it's like getting a great meal at a restaurant but having plain water dumped all over it. The entire project suffers from his tasteless, vague, nothing lyrics
I would agree that his lyrics suck, but the music is so terribly basic and forgettable. It's more like getting a loaf of bread, *then* dumping water on it
We used to call this music Adult Contemporary. It doesn't rock. It's not punk. It isn't art. There's no soul. It isn't metal. No dirt. No style. It's all the way up it's own butt.
True, the worst part is that it doesn’t even have the same soulful romance of Bolton or the rocking energy of Bon Jovi, it’s just a big floppy sack of an album
Collective Soul 🤮🤮🤮 We had great songs like Smooth Operator by Sade and Wicked Game by Chris Isaak that were classified as adult contemporary, although Sade definitely leans into soul territory.
Those two are great comparisons. Like Thundercat has the technical skill of someone like Collier but he ALSO has really interesting creative ideas and knows when to flex his chops and keep it in the background so it's all coherent.
Sounds like a perfectionist to me. I've never heard any of these guy's music but I feel like even simple & imperfect non-academic genres like punk or hiphop have more soul to this than Jacob Collier music
@@samwilson3329 of course you would think that, being the self-centered ignoramus that you are. But let me tell you. We're not pretending. We actually adore the music. Sucks to be you, not just because you can't, but mainly because you have the audacity to then think your musical perception is the hallmark of musical ability in this world. In other words, not everyone is as deaf as you are.
It feels like nothing has ever happened to Jacob Collier, you know? Like, he's never had an experience he didn't fully expect to have. He's never looked before crossing a road and he doesn't know that you're supposed to, the cars simply do not hit him. He creates music for a world without friction.
I showed my friend your comment and we both laughed out loud. Then she said “yeah, it’s like nothing has ever happened to him, but something happened to the person next to him” then someone chimes in “Jacob knows all of these great things about music, he just never learned there were also bad things too. 😂 love your comment.
I agree he need to go on a weekend bender and walk next to somebody who doesn't know and doesn't remember meeting. Or get his heart smashed in 17 places. Or even just going hiking in some Chinese mountains surrounded by fog. For all it's complexity it is wrapped up in WAY too much bubble wrap.
@@bigbonesbrian this is so true. The same thing happens everytime a classical singer tries to folk or jazz too the lack of edge or twang is so ugly and bland to ears with all of the arrangement and sound design. Wellll is a crappy song regardless but if he just did sing it from a different register it would change the whole song.
@@flopster8139actually Morrisey kinda uses his nasal overtones like any other singer like listen the big mouth strikes again for example the upper placement still cuts through the instruments a lot especially in the end of the sentences. But i get what you mean because he is kinda sounds like both i think his voice is just unique or weirdly uncommon about that. Jacob kinda sounds like a very bad Morrisey impression lmao
I was one of those musician kids that was always “supposed” to go to Berkelee (I actually got in but didn’t want my mom to give up her fucking house) but going to it’s summer programs and being around that community they all tend to see Jacob as like Jesus Christ in the flesh and I never understood this. He’s fine, he’s extremely smart in musical knowledge and theory, but it’s like this stuff is so damn basic for someone who’s supposed to be all over the place with what he can do
berklee jacob collier fans are the worst people on earth. a lot of people who love him have superiority complexes the size of Texas simply because they have perfect pitch, or know neopolitan 6th chords.
@@vulfura I auditioned for jazz drums I’ll just say everyone’s kinda the same regardless. The issue with berklee, at least for me, is that I would’ve probably gotten tired of it all with so many people there. That’s how a lot of people end up dropping out. It’s just a very little fish gigantic pond environment. Not tryna discourage you but that’s been my experience
The feeling I get with Jacob is that if one knows so much of something, they won’t even have any coherent idea of what to do with all that knowledge (if that even makes sense) lol
As a anthro-crit lit-history major turned educator, I find that this often happens because the spaces and groups in which acquisition of knowledge and execution of wisdom occur hardly ever cross over until a person has trekked a significant amount of time into their life. The film Good Will Hunting touches on these themes well.
Okay but Paul McCartney is a good example of having that knowledge and knowing how to use it. He has so many key changes and even genre changes within songs but it feels effortless and interesting rather than over zealous elevator music 😭😭✋
Domi and Jd Beck, Thundercat, Flying Lotus, Anderson paak are good examples of artists with very high amounts of musical knowledge who are still capable of making very enjoyable music. It can be done. I think Jacob relies on grounding his ideas in very generic pop sensibilities that result in, well, very generic pop unfortunately
I'd add Dirty Loops just because they too make really corny, upbeat pop about nothing at all while permanently showing off their incredible individual technical skill, and yet their songs are really memorable earworms. I don't even like that I like Dirty Loops, that's how bad/good they are.
If you think Jacob's music is "generic pop" you obviously haven't checked out his albums in detail 🤣🤣🤣 he literally goes through 20 different styles that have nothing to do with pop. God forbid he tries to write simple songs too once in a while 🙄
@@IlIlIlIlIlIlIllIlIII Lol, you call them corny cause you don't like the genre, it's ok. The thing is, Dirty Loops are actually probably the best "pop" group on earth right now, and they are both much more sophisticated and proficient than Jacob Collier, and they have good songwriting skills... People think Jacob Collier is a genius but there are tens of thousands of people like him out there, dirty loops has no equivalent out there, and they actually make objectivelly good music.
@@Proghead88 its 2024, everyone has already done the genre hopping pop album thing already . its undeniably well done, but its boring & not compelling and would only be original if it was released decades ago
@@grizzlixx that is a gross generalization of the reality of his music. It isn't simply because he's diverse. It is the degree of vision, passion, excitement, spontaneity, creativity and connections between ideas that most people don't have, let alone think to combine into a cohesive musical ecosystem. You basically might as well just said "he makes modern music, so what?". There is a lot more to his world and you either spend the time to appreciate it or you don't. It is a personal choice anyways. Millions of people find it exciting for many reasons, including some of the most unique, well-known, and creative musicians across many styles and countries. If you study the diversity of his fans and especially the opinions of the artists he has worked with, you will notice a very deep appreciation that is unlike pretty much anyone currently creating. Forget your own taste for a minute when studying this.
Someone said "This is just ajr-ified ween" during she put sunshine, and i completely agree, reading the lyrics i thought it was going to sound exactly like a ween song.
If you want some music that is also that "ambitious pop" kind of thing, I'd recommend Louis Cole a lot. His LPs "Quality over opinion" and "Time" are also ambitious af, creative af and not soulless at all. This music is much more complex that most of songs, but never more complex than necessary. Some intentionally quirky stuff and a great listen all the way.
@@mocapcow2933 i think it's cause of how indie/real he is it comes from an actual personal place. not like, some random 16yo saying "i was born in the wrong generation"
If y’all don’t understand the complex nature if making a 5 q sharp harmonization sound natural, you don’t get to criticize this album (I don’t listen to music, I just read it)
There is no 5 q sharp. You could theoretically sharp an extension of a chord. Honestly the more you stacked those chords the more things get complicated
Dunno if you're trolling but if you were trying to make a joke that's quite hilarious cause you're basically right. If you can't listen to his stuff and understand what's going on they you have no business criticising it. Most of the comments in this video are the equivalent of saying Dostoyevsky is sh*t because they only had a copy of his original works and they can't read Russian.
I think Charli’s recent statement of how artistry is more important than technicality is perfectly displayed on this record. Makes me like and appreciate Charli’s work even more tbh lol. Great video brad
if u literally knew anything about jacob youll know how he went out of his way to leave imperfections and MAKE imperfections in the songs cuz he felt music being "too perfect" was not something he wanted from the new album but yeah whatever youtuber says i follow amirite
@@taann7360 But you're proving the point. Jacob "going out of his way to leave imperfections" and (even worse) "MAKE imperfections in the songs" is robotic, sociopathic, non-artistic behavior.
while i agree with the sentiment of that statement, insinuating in any way that it's objectively wrong for Jacob to literally just explore and carry out musical concepts he thinks are cool makes it more difficult for artists who are inspired by him to explore musical ideas they think are cool too. Jacob has never said that it's more important for technicality to be on display than whatever "artistry" means to him (and it means different things to everyone, might i add). no one aspect of music is "more important" than the other, and if you wanna stack a bunch of harmonies on each other and switch time signatures a bunch cuz you think it's cool (just like Jacob does), i believe you have every objective right to do that and it's dangerous to say there's a right and wrong way to approach how you make music, let alone how you listen to and interpret it.
Fascinating how so many think he’s either the best or the worst. And the comment sections create these two bubbles as well corresponding to the reactor
I wonder if he made this album, in a highly polarized world, to give people what they want - something to argue with each about. That's REALLY what we want. I wonder about that because I noticed what you observed. People seem to want to badmouth it or stan it, with very little "meh, it's decent I guess. Nothing to complain about".
Because that is everything these days, literally you have to hardline stance "your side" or you're just being a little fence sitting bish. This is Israel/Palestine extrapolated to everything, you are not allowed to say both sides bad doing bad things, each interaction has its own merits with a LOT of background and historical influence. No, no you must pick your side and stick with it through everything that happens no matter how heinous your take or what they might do is you have picked your team and cannot change. This Album is not even the best of the Djesse volumes, it has some good songs and I like Jacob overall. He is still young af and has a lot to learn both for himself and music overall still even though he is still very talented. If you wanted to go with MOST opinions it would be closer to mine than the "Jacob is trash" or "Jacob is the music Messiah" takes. The loudest voices drown everything out including what would be the actual consensus.
He is by no means the only person who knows theory who makes music. I know artists who know theory, and as long as im on the planet and making music, there will be.
If you want to find artists who know theory and use it well with their music, you gotta go underground. If theory is the only good thing going for your music, then your ideas aren't good in the first place. Collier's music is effectively polishing turds of half baked pop songs he comes up with and tries to pass off as this great thing and people eat it up. Reddit mode engaged.
Jacob Collier being interviewed for a job at the music factory: I understand that you're an expert in music theory? Jacob: Yes, I'm a theoretical expert in music 😎😎😎 *Makes this album and gets fired immediately*
I say this all the time as someone who’s studied music theory for years - you cannot take a purely logical approach to something as subjective as sound. Theory is only one side of music. You can’t treat it like math where every tiny thing must be explained with formulas and reasoning because then you just prevent yourself from seeing the bigger picture. I truly love music theory but I’ve found that focusing too much on it really hinders my creativity. It’s like comparing a robot to a human - robots can understand human emotions, but they’ll never completely grasp the human experience because it’s more than what can be explained with programming. Same thing with music.
i mean one of them has won a grammy multiple times. Not a fan of the guy, i like only one song actually, but the way people talk about him putting themselves above him and his craft when he is the only one in this equation actually producing art is really off and 10x more pretentious to me
Chris Martin is a huge Collier fan. Discovered him entirely by accident when listening to a playlist, and a song came on which he loved; turned out to be Jacob.
As a casual fan of his work, this album did a great job of highlighting all the weakest aspects of his music (maximalist production, random genre switching ) I believe he’s at his best with being simplistic (All I Need, Never Gonna Be Alone, Little Blue)
I'm a breakdown-loving metalhead with no critical analytical skill, but my minimal input to this is that the ending breakdown to the first song is one of the most out of place and least enjoyable breakdowns I've ever heard.
1:11:07 I was listening to this in the background. When the last song came on, I thought "okay, this is actually alright. Not great, but not as bad as the rest of the album." Then, a voice came out of nowhere talking about a Toyota sale, and I realized the only good song turned out to just be a Toyota ad.
im honestly so tired of the mentality that knowing music theory automatically equals better music. plenty of musicians, especially nowadays, can't even read sheet music, because they just don't need to, and their music sounds great regardless. just cause your music is more technically complicated and has an intentional lack of consistency does not make it better. i think good music can be enjoyed _and_ dissected, but it's clear that this album wants nothing _but_ to be dissected.
Collier has his issues, but I think it is more attitudinal than it is about his knowledge. In general, musical education is a good thing. I think it's a very bad thing that so many musicians today can't read sheet music. Even if your music sounds good to the ear, I have a hard time calling those people credible musicians if they can't read music. It's much like how someone shouldn't take a person's political views seriously if they don't know how to read or write properly (see many of our high school and college students today).
@@TheZenomeProject i feel like being unable to read at all is infinitely more detrimental than not being able to read music? i know its a hypothetical but that seems like a wicked dramatic leap to me. imo if a song sounds good and i can connect with it, i couldn't care less if the person who made it can transcribe it into sheet music, but that's just me!
@@braydengeorg The real impact of not knowing musical theory is the closed doors that we don't realize are being closed. The benefit of being fluent in musical theory is that it expands artistic horizons. It's interesting because a lot of bands who are now seen as legends, such as The Beatles, never learned how to read sheet music, and still made great, interesting music regardless of that, but I always wonder just how much better would that music had been, especially over the long-term, if they did take the step to do that.
@@TheZenomeProject i guess i just cant relate to the idea that finding out a band i enjoy (especially one that's influential to millions of other people) cant read/write sheet music would make me yearn for how much "better" they would sound if they could. if i already like them, i feel like it'd just be kinda depressing to keep thinking "they could be _better_ if they knew more about music theory". obviously i can't really dismiss the concept of music theory altogether, i just think treating a deep knowledge of it as a "requirement" is kinda reductive.
@@TheZenomeProject "Even if your music sounds good to the ear, I have a hard time calling those people credible musicians if they can't read music." bruh, what? Hendrix couldn't read music. Django Reinhardt could barely read *period.* if you "have a hard time calling those people credible musicians," you don't know what a musician is.
Exactly what I was thinking. And not the common idea of artificial intelligence, but the reality of it. All the complexity and ostentatious elements of the best music made in different genres, but none of the focus or human flair.
@@gutsFunnyman exactly, and it's usually so busy, with superfluous details, while missing the actually striking and engaging qualities. Didn't expect humans to make ai music before ai.
Some thoughts from me, a failed nobody musician. JC's voice is an interesting spectacle. He's got impeccable technique and the intonation is perfect, but the simple fact is the tone of his voice is deep, throaty, and not all that expressive. It's the kind of voice that works great in an ensemble (hence why he was so successful with those vocal covers he was doing a few years back) but doesn't work as a lead voice. And this new album to me seems like a betrayal of where he comes from musically. Think one more light by linkin park. Collier is a pretty capable jazz pianist. How many people have heard his first album? 'In My Room' is actually pretty decent because it's a lot more focussed than his new stuff. It's modern jazz/neo soul. No doubt about it. Pretty much all 4 djesse albums (yes there are 4 of them) are very broad in their scope, array of different timbres and genres. Doing that and getting it right takes a group of very talented people, usually a band. Sure, he's super talented, but he's the sole artistic director for all Djesse albums despite the massive number of feature artists. And these tracklists read like the most generic pop albums ever. Every song having multiple features is what I'm getting at there. Not good, not the sign of innovative and interesting music. I've never liked how he's sometimes upheld as the most talented musician in the world. "Multi-instrumentalist". Sure, I'm a little jealous. But I'm a guitarist with 15+ years experience I can tell you that when he plays guitar or bass, it's all flashy stuff that sounds harder to play than it actually is. On live shows, he might pick up the bass for a few minutes and show off a bit but no way is he doing a whole show on bass. Doing that is a physical role. The instrument is heavy, big, the strings are tough to pick, tough to fret. Hard on the fingers. Only an experienced bassist who has put in a lot of time on the instrument can keep it up for a whole show without fatiguing. He tunes guitars differently so that it's easier to play chords. Not knocking that technique, but it's something to keep in mind. It's a way to avoid putting in the hard work required to be able to play loads of chords on standard tuning. Percussion is another issue. All 4 albums are full of sped up fills and grooves. It's like studio trickery/magic turned up to a deceptive level. And I get the sense that his fame comes more from videos of him doing tricks than the music he makes. Videos of him doing a 2:3:4:5 polyrhythm with his fingers come to mind. 21:22 polyrhythm. Making drawings on a piano roll with a midi keyboard. Singing microtones inbetween semitones. What do you think he gets out of showing off like this? It's all flash. I mean, try and make an impactful piece of music with any of those tricks. Maybe it's possible, but has he done it? Show me. Listen to Louis Cole if you want a good version of Jacob Collier. He plays loads of different instruments like JC, but uses that multi instrumentalism to make captivating and hard hitting music. His 2018 album Time is better than his new album.
@@Yvelluap the first video Collier posted doing midi drawing he said either in video or comments he’d seen it online and been inspired but did not give any indication of who he’d seen it from
@@Yvelluap it’s an inference based on the fact GLASYS had been going somewhat viral on the music production side of RUclips shorts right around the same time, while I could be wrong I find it unlikely Collier hadn’t seen his work given how similar their content was
Not sure if this makes sense but all these songs sound like they're being recorded. Most songs sound like I'm just listening to them or hearing people play, for this all I can see is people in a sound booth with no collaboration
As a metalhead, this guy reminds me of a ton of bands with virtuoso musicians with a lot of technique but 0 interesting songwriting or heart. Also prog bands that seem to be focused on having 50 genres in a song without making any narrative or artistic sense.
Artistic sense is such bull. The artistic sense can come from the artist AND the listener To him and his fans, it has artistic merit but to you and the others that don’t like it, it doesn’t. It’s entirely subjective and depends way more on the style, execution and context. Most people are just immediately turned off by the kind of pop he makes.
I dont like his music but I do think it has artistic merit, I never said it doesnt, where did you get that? Also, its kind of funny that you need to explain to me that art is subjective in my comment that has a subjective opinion about art. I guess that I need to write "in my personal, subjective, opinion" at the end of every observation.
Metalhead is all I needed to know here. I think that describes Brad and many others here, although that may just be a metal plate in the skull. If anything, his songs have too much heart and not enough grit. What's with this simplistic nonsense that an album has to be a uniform concept album? The goal of it was to do international collaborations.
Jacob Collier seems to be the opposite of the Bruce Lee quote “I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times”. He may know how to do a ton of genres but i wouldn’t choose him over any artist that specializes in that sound.
I listen to mostly electronic music and I do think some of the inclusions on here do already sound dated. Like, I get the impression Jacob doesn’t really listen to much music like this and plays around with these genres anyway, maybe including a surface level idea of what future bass or brostep for example sound like. It’s kind of neat, I would see it as an outsider perspective where his own sound always shines through, but sometimes generic. Like, just because a kpop group is on a song for example.
the supersaws (and the way they are used) aren't good tho, it's literally default serum wavetable with the unison cranked up. it sounds dated because supersaws in 2024 have evolved so far beyond that
@@christopherswanson5849 everybody and their mother has been stacking unison supersaw chords since like 2012. It's nothing new but it's also nothing old. The sound is still very pervasive in electronic music. The argument could definitely be made that a lot of this edm is derivative of older sounds, but that requires a knowledge of the genre that I am very skeptical to think Brads fan base has. From what I've noted these people have piss poor knowledge of electronic music outside of a few artists. So to me their complaints just read the same as calling edm "youtuber intro music." I should also add that it seems to me as though the reason they think supersaws sound like 2013 music is because that's when it was generally breaching into the mainstream. But anyone who has kept up with edm since then would know it hasn't exactly fallen out of general use. A large large number of future bass and melodic dubstep artists are doing the same or sonically similar stuff to the example in this video.
I made EDM for years, and I know of literal free DAW websites, not even programs, where you can make nearly those same supersaws with two sawtooth waveforms, high unison, a bit of detuning, and maybe a bit of reverb/delay in like 3 minutes. It’s not that supersaws sound dated, it’s that this kind of supersaw sounds dated and generic.
@@rileysummers9757 well, not really. it's been common in edm since like 2010 and hasn't stopped being used. maybe you could argue it's overused, but it's like saying that the lex luger clap is "dated."
I genuinely think the guy's problem is that he's so gifted, he sees music in a way most people can't relate to, nor do they notice the things the impressive bits. It makes sense that so many musicians speak highly of him, but I've never heard anyone say he's their favourite artist. It's like a chef that mastered chemistry instead of cuisine. Alright, your omelette uses lab-made eggs and salt distilled from Himalayan salt blessed by the Dalai Lama, that's impressive, but my favourite diner's over-salted omelette makes me feel happy, and that's what I'd rather have.
I have to disagree. Many of these songs have much simpler time signatures, melodies, and even harmonies than many progressive rock classics or jazz tunes, they feel truly sanitized. I mean simply compare Close to the Edge to anything from this album: that's "also" a meticulously crafted song, that's arguably way more intricate and incomparably more impactful.
@@lomstair7546 Yes, I never listened to his music and was expecting cut meters, microtonality or smthg like that. My god, this music is so bland.! And to be clear, there is nothing wrong with "normal" music, it just becomes weird if someone presents themselves as this kind of innovative, crazy avant-gardist and doesn`t really deliver anything new at all. Suprised of how many people fall for that marketing.
Speaking about having a "favorite musician" puts the music and the musicians in a field of competition, which is not at all. Some opinions about music have a higher value than other ones (such as, for example , an opinion of a doctor about human health have more value than an opinion from a person who doesn't know anything about medicine). The greatest of all time loves jacob and completely respects his music.
I’ve been meaning to get into Jacob’s music because of his association with Lizzy Mcalpine so, when I saw you reacting to this, I decided to check it out and…. To quote the genius poet that is Masta Artisan: OH MY GOD, I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS. This was PAINFUL to listen to. It just felt like auditory overload for the sake of it. Apparently people in the comments have said that the other parts of his genre spanning, multi part Djesse project are better and maybe I’ll check them out. This was a horrible introduction and if I want music where the artist flexes their musical knowledge and is around the same age as Jacob, I’ll stick with Laufey and the afformentioned Lizzy McAlpine. I’ll say this though: I now understand what it felt like when you listened to the Lizzy album I paid you to react to
Honestly, Lizzy McApline was the best part of this album. Will definitely check out her album. Don’t know how good I’ll like it, but I like “Phoebe clones” so I’m hopeful
@@mocapcow2933I’d say start with her first album, give me a minute, which is much more intimate, acoustic and I would say is less “Phoebe lite” due to it coming out in 2020 before Phoebe really blew up and everybody started trying to copy her. Not that she was an unknown before Punisher came out, but I’m sure you get what I mean. Honestly, I’ve never really gotten the Phoebe clone comparisons and think that she’s more of a blend of Phoebe’s style of music and sound with Olivia Rodrigo’s penchant for writing songs that play into theatrical, over the top, melodrama without being annoying. I think it’s at least worth checking out her stuff. Her music is certainly not as up its own ass with her musical knowledge as Djesse vol. 4, so that’s.. something
@@david_lynch_gaming Dang I didn't know there was so much hate lmao. Maybe it's their fanbase or something. Metal heads are the worst gatekeepers in all of music. But I find their music enjoyable, and the vocals are very pristine-pop sounding. Not for everyone.
everyone is like "oh he knows so much why his music so bad?" but tbh I doubt he knows substantially more about music theory than your average jazz / conservatory student. He's just good at selling the image of being the music theory genius guy. He's like the Neil DeGrasse Tyson of music.
You probably don’t know much about him then. People always love doing this whole “idk much about a person but i’ll assume something” schtick Look at his new interview with “paul davids” where he gives his outlook on guitar despite being a complete novice. He absolutely does more than your jazz student
@@Blockoumi most musicians i know at that level would have around the same amount of knowledge/insight as displayed in that interview, pretty much any advanced musician has a solid understanding of the instruments they don't play
The thing about him is his live shows are AMAZING. I’ve seen him live and it brought me to tears. but it’s because he can’t play 300 instruments at once on stage and has to rely on other people .when he limits himself it’s so good but when he can do whatever he wants it’s just far too much
28:17 I think that this is why many people dont like Jacob's music. On a fundamental level, people are looking for different things to connect to. Jacob's music is driven by his curiosity to see what he can do. He's very talented in some areas, but he does have his shortcomings. Above all, he's here to have fun making music. I want to give you the perspective of a person who has been a fan of Jacob for years, but kinda grew out of it (me): i got into Jacob as I just started studying music. My views of music were pretty narrow to be honest, i didnt really know a lot of music, nor did i appreciate all of the details of what makes a song good. That made me feel a bit like an imposter. I was also super interested in learning more theory because I believed it would open the doors to writing good music (it certainly did, but there's so much more to making a good song). So when Jacob Collier came around it created the perfect circumstances for me to like his music: - I was looking for harmonically complex music to feed my hunger for theory and Jacob certainly delivered. - Musicians I personally knew and looked up to praised him, so that gave me the idea that it must be good and that if i didnt think it was, my ears were just untrained. Me liking his music made me also feel less like an imposter. It was easier to grasp what made his music impressive As the years went on and I listened to more and more music, I started looking for different things in music, and subsequently I started feeling more and more disconnected from his music. My two main motivators initially for liking his music aren't nearly as important to me now, but i still occasionally put on a song of his, though it will usually be one of the ones where he keeps it simple.
This is the best comment on Collier and it sums up my feelings for him. I don’t think he’s dry everywhere on this album. I genuinely like his songs such as never gonna be alone, bridge over troubled waters, and little blue, but as you said, a good chunk of this is him experimenting with different genres and not getting much out of it because it’s not made with the intent to invoke an emotional message (such as the butt Rock well.) And that’s a large criticism I have for him to: love songs. A good chunk of these are not helped by the stereotypical love lyrics in some of these songs. DJesse 3 was better because it pushed beyond the lyrics of falling in love; it talked about miscommunication, loneliness, and break ups.
one of the biggest things i’ve learned in the 20 years of playing and listening to music i have had is that just because i enjoyed listening to or writing a song, doesn’t mean it’s a good song. and there is no shame in having certain artists or songs that you know objectively don’t make “good” music but you still enjoy listening to them for one reason or another.
I think you have more musical maturing to do to actually enjoy Jacob's music on an emotional level combining the harmonic landscapes with his messages and personality showing through in the music. Rhythmic themes and ideas also carry emotion. All of this takes years to appreciate and I have a feeling you'll be able to appreciate it more in the future.
@@juicyjames2074 every single second of his music is meant to invoke an emotional message. It is up to you to listen and find a part of yourself in the journey. He is always emotionally driven, and it is the reason why he explores so much.
This is the definition of what I’m against when it comes to music as a musician myself lol. Making music that might be technically “good” but has no emotion in the music. I want to feel what the artist is making and that they care
@@retorikhal you should, you know... actually watch interviews with him to know how deep and humble he is at the same time. You're speaking out of ignorance.
His music is all about emotion. Just because he can do technical things easily doesn't mean that's what the music was made for. Watch his interviews and you'll see someone totally in love with expressing their deepest passions and emotions through music, in a very spontaneous and humble way.
being a jacob collier fan that really connected emotionally with the album, i am curious to see the perspective of other people. it's really amazing (and kinda scary at the same time) that so many people can have radically different opinions on this. it really shows that nothing is objectivally good or bad
@@88qwop yeah dude, your musical taste is objectively the BEST. i listen to him for years by myself because i like pretending 🙌 one day i will have your superior taste
@@opedroarte it is not about musical taste, is about creating something that has meaning, and transmits emotion, and this does not. I can feel emotion about music I don't like, this is just pretending to do music.
@@88qwop meaning and emotion are also abstract concepts. i can cry to movies that you find extremely boring or vice-versa. i get very emotional with a lot of jacob's work. so you prefer thinking that i must be pretending since you can't feel what i am feeling? what about assuming that everyone's emotional reactions to things are different because people are different from each other?
I respect Jacob Collier's music knowledge. That being said, he really needs to either work on his song writing, or get ghost writers to write for him. A huge problem is his "dull" lyrics. Like I don't mind a "happy"/ "non confrontational" album, but at least have some meaningful lyrical content.
he discussed that in a reddit ama. he didn't know it was a discord sound effect so he put it in because it sounded neat to him. ofc we've been pavloved by the sound so it stands out to us but to him it likely blended in
This album is kinda trash, but Djesse Vol 2 is genuinely a great album. It has a much more intimate vibe, and Jacob practices restraining his more self indulgent tendencies and focuses on good songs and good songwriting. Volume 1 is also pretty good.
Volume 1 was boring Volume 3 was inconsistent and all over the place but Vol 2 was great. Still some absolute skips but Vol 2 is very good, the best one
This is such a sad comment section. Just because you don’t relate to the music doesn’t mean it’s soulless. A lot of people, especially classically trained musicians or jazz musicians, really connect to his music. This feels so mean spirited for no reason and there’s no real objective critique aside from “this is ai music” “I don’t wike it”.
Spot on. For me a the comforting realisation was that the vast majority of criticism of JC comes from either jealousy or profound ignorance. Once you realise that it's less bothersome. Secondly the number of people who love JC (including most of the world's best loved musical minds) vastly outnumbers the weirdly obsessive haters (and I mean HATErs) .
The general criticism is even though JC is incredibly talented, this project *sounds* plain and soulless. Intent does not equal output. This can also go the other way. There's artists who can put little thought their work but still have people heavily relate to it. Soul and heart in music is all heavily subjective stuff which is okay. To call what people are saying here mean spirited is something I don't understand, because honestly it seems people here are respectfully acknowledging JC's talent while simultaneously just being "meh" on his music.
Jacob Collier has a thousand music awards, millions of sales and the acclaim of most of the music industry; you don't need to protect him - he's fine. If I think his music is souless, which I do, I'm going to say as much, and you know how much he'll care? Not one bit. If you're incapable of enjoying music without feeling insecure about other people's negative opinions, that's _your_ problem.
@@OwenEastwoodMusicIf you feel the need to dismiss criticism of your favourite artist as either 'jealousy' or 'ignorance' you either have an unhealthy parasocial relationship or just a lot of insecurity. Music is subjective; if you can't handle that, you have a problem you should work to fix.
@@Eden_Laika Haha utter nonsense. There's a difference between legitimate lack of interest in someone's music, and people going out of their way to hate on Collier. If you can't see that the vast majority of the hate against Collier comes from jealousy and/or ignorance then you have your eyes closed, because it's *blindingly* obvious.
Jacob collier is the perfect example of "just because you can, doesnt mean you should". Like he can play 50 different instruments and has all of the technical knowledge in the world, but all of that is useless if the song doesnt sound good.
@@IEatAssSometimes who to trust.. this guy's ears, or Jacob's millions of listeners & most of the best musicians on the planet inc Quincy, Herbie, Chick, John Mayer, Hans Zimmer, Pat Metheny, Jamie Cullum, Ben Folds, Chris Martin, Stormzy, Daniel Ceaser, David Crosby, Disclosure, Steve Vai etc ... So hard to know which to believe 😭
The feeling I got while listening to this album was exactly like when you’re watching a boring musical and no matter how pretty or put together the songs may be when the actors start singing you can only think “oh god here we go again”
Yes good one. It's totally like a bad musical where they sing some dialog. There are some great musicals. But there are also musicals with some of thee worst music ever written.
I don't really think this album is about flexing or sth like that. It's more about looking for new sounds, exploring new music and colaborating with more and more artist to see what's going to be created. Jacob is experienced with music enough to just create something more tasteful for his listeners, but that's not the point. He even said in one of the interviews, that all the DJESE albums are about his journey trough exploring new music and for example for my fellas (all of them are musicians) this album is something that they really appreaciate and treat as a new experience and something that we can learn from. For my parents some of the music from this album i showed them was really enjoyable for them (not all of them). Saying that this album is simply horrible is not okey. There's even that saying that when it comes to art, you can't just say is good or bad, but how you received it. In my opinion this album is something new, that should not be criticized for it's original form and I actually really liked it.
Privileged, aloof happiness is extravengent and unreserved because it can be observed without consequence. Dare I call it a class issue? The privileged lover would "weave you a tapestry of the stars." The common lover would "drive all the way to in my car."
I was a Jacob collier fan for a long time. I actually really like some of his early catalog. He’s really great in concert… I wish he would just make jazz instead of sellout overproduced pop music :/
Jacob Collier interests me, in many ways. What makes his stuff sound so...tasteless...and then you go to a Black Midi album like Cavalcade or Hellfire, another album made by musical prodigies who know every note, time signature, and progression in the book, and it just sounds so much more exciting?
a lot of reasons, but a big one is that Black Midi commits to making weird, unique stuff, while Collier uses his theory knowledge to make finely blended musical paste, a bland pastiche.
@@bryanleggo3489They are critically acclaimed or something like that. Calling them the best is an opinion that is unchanged by how popular they are or how big of a venue they can fill
Jacob Collier has never been told sometimes less is more, it's exhausting to listen to. I imagine his fans are made up of people who deeply understand music theory (or pretend to and just want to sound smart) and theatre kids.
I'm in a lot of my school's music programs, and I can confirm his only fans are people that are walking music textbooks, and/or are in theater. The groups typically overlap.
@@futurfry I think the Gecs’ appeal is that they obviously don’t take themselves seriously with the music they make. Jacob Collier wants to be taken seriously, and he’s trying way too hard.
As a person and musician with perfect pitch, I wanted to add on to Brad's points during track 3 and his thoughts on perfect pitch. By definition, perfect pitch doesn't let you do anything except know what a note is without hearing any reference note before it. Literally everything else comes with the way you're taught. A lot of musicians, especially classical, with perfect pitch tend to be pretentious because they are taught to be - they're taught to be special, unique. Of course, it is a great tool to have, but the culture behind it very often causes people to roll their eyes when they find out you have it. I am at a classical music academy, and I try to avoid ever mentioning or showing my perfect pitch because I know the reputation it gets. So yeah, great tool, shitty people. Oh and terrible album wow
@@88qwop because i was responding to brad's comment about perfect pitch and because i have an opinion that's based on experience i believe the honesty is good. are you seriously questioning me on this...
Those are totally valid opinions. Watching this video I paid attention to his lyrics closely for the first time and they’re very uninspired and surface level in my opinion. BUT he offers a lot of other really great stuff with his harmony and adventurous genre and production ideas. I think that he’s very anti-mainstream in that his lyrics and vocals totally aren’t great but I also think where his hardcore fan base lies is the music students who don’t care much about that stuff either
The fact that every time an artist from a different culture comes on they get their own intro filled with a bunch of stereotypical sounds from their culture 💀 he treating em like overwatch characters
45:21 dude, the music is Indian. He is playing there with Anoushka Shankar which is a great sitar player, daughter of the late Ravi Shankar. I don't like the album but c'mon. For someone who claims to listen to a lot of music, how is difficult to tell when the music is Indian or from an arid country?
Brad always refers to the artistic elements when he judges a song, but never refers to the musical aspects. Sometimes the only thing that makes a song great is how the melody is conposed, how it corresponds with the rest of the song, how the chord progressions and harmonies work or how the rythm fits to the song.
@erikdaniels0n absolutely agreed! Precisely why I mentioned it - don't think I've ever seen anything like it. It's probably closer to 200 people in total working on writing producing or guesting on it. Some of my favorite old albums have a total of like 8 names associated with the whole thing.
huh, sure a lot of names appear as features, but I did not expect that. I suppose this is often the case with some pretty huge pop albums and names might be credited for very small contributions, but I didn’t think jacob was making those kinds of albums exactly.
@@erikdaniels0n It's not a good thing or a bad thing, it's just a thing. There are incredible albums made entirely by one person. There are incredible albums made by hundreds of people (I happen to think this is one). 'Excessive' means 'more than is desireable'. Jacob is the artist, and therefore it can't be excessive, because it was exactly as he desired. It also happens to be exactly how millions of listeners desired, but that's besides the point.
Bruh several hours ago I’ve just saw that Vox video of Jacob Collier explaining a really great analysis for the song Sir Duke by Stevie Wonder. That first song just ruined any mythical connotation that I bad on him lmfao. PLEASE make that scream your new soundboard Brad (also go listen to Beautiful Things by Benson Boone if you want to hear another of these goofy ass jumpscare song)
Yes the channels pay him to analyse great music, doesn’t mean the mf can write it. By the way Stevie Wonder didn’t know any music theory for all you nerds reading this and I’m speaking as someone who does... you know because he’s legally blind and all.
This reminds me a joke from Big Bang Theory.. "Anybody know anything about internal combustion engines?" of course "anybody know how to fix an internal combustion engine?".. no not a clue..
but why would you have to say that? what kind of discussion culture would that be where no one says their real opinion and isn't 'allowed' to back it up?
@@salty_3k506 It would be a “discussion culture” that tries to be in touch with reality and understands the subjective nature of these assessments. Look at the “discussion culture” currently on display in this video. Brad childishly yawns, gets distracted, goes on meaningless tangents, then concludes with some remark like “this really sucks”, all while the chatters mindlessly parrot whatever sentiment he’s already expressed. They are just going to follow whatever he says. I guarantee if Brad instated a somber atmosphere and then said something like “ya know, this one actually sounds kinda nice”, the chat would instantly start parroting “oh yeah this one actually is alright.” There is almost nothing of substance going on in this “discussion” and at the very least, it’s just mean-spirited. But if you at least start at the more open-minded baseline that I initially mentioned, there is at least hope of a real discussion occurring.
Totally agree but it goes both ways. There are a lot of fans of his that feel attacked when someone says they don’t like it and start lengthy discussions.
@@Joey_Fury hm okay i can see your point. it just seemed to me like your point was to say "it doesn't do it for me" and then leave the discussion, as if there's nothing worth to discuss and as if opinions aren't worth sharing.
@@salty_3k506 I see I see. Opinions are definitely worth sharing. I just really think there is a world of difference between “I don’t like his voice” and “he’s a bad singer” for instance, though these remarks can sometimes be offered interchangeably. Or “this music doesn’t emotionally affect me” and “this is unemotional music.” It’s good to be mindful of such nuances when people offer their critiques.
@@gaynebula6439 Then why are you here if that so offends you? Brad is the epitome of smug and elitist minus having any actual reason to think he's an elite. It's all ill-educated noisy hubris from someone who's in his 20's and barely heard a wealth of music. Literally. Or is your life is just as limited? In your life? Grow up? LOL!
I really like it when an artist brings together disparate elements and the music zigs when you are expecting it to zag. The problem with this is that he attempts to do this with all of the rough edges polished off. So when it switches, it feels vapid. Compare to Mr. Bungle, Gomez or Regurgitator or any number of alternative bands in 90s-00s even Beck. They all had moments where they could feel pretentious, but they were chasing sounds that evoked something. This evokes Muzak.
This is off-topic but I just wanted to say that I really relate to Brad's humour and commentary, I don't have many friends and the ones that I do have do not even know what RUclips is. This is kinda like a safe space for me, especially seeing how Brad is open minded, welcoming to all kinds of people and doesn't shy away from speaking his true mind. Just sharing some sudden positive vibes I got because I rarely have these positive moments in my life anymore.
There’s always two schools of thought when I listen to music as a musician. It’s either “That’s very technically impressive.” and then there’s “That’s an incredible song.” Jacob falls almost always strictly into the former category for me. He’s an amazing musician, but I feel like he isn’t the best at structuring songs in a digestible format for the average listener. That’s just me tho.
I feel like Jacob Collier is getting criticized a fair bit too much becuase people have been told and keep on memeing on how bad he is so even If a song that's good like WELLLL they just dismiss it straight up. WELLL's guitar tone critcism is another indication of that dismissal.
I mean, eh, I don't disagree, didn't really vibe with much of this album either, but as much as I don't connect with it, I'm really annoyed by this overdone Jacob hatred on the internet nowadays. I understand that it's a bit frustrating when everyone puts him on this spiritual-miracle pedestal while the music sounds a little bland and manufactured, but to me it's clear that the man REALLY loves his music, pours hours and hours of work into it and tries to bring it to the to world candidly and positively. It's a bit sad that the music community bonds just as much over hatred as they do over love for music. I can already see tons of JC fans being bullied out of liking his music just as it happens with Imagine Dragons, AJR, or whatever other artists. I understand that this is entertainment and part of being a music critic is being harsh, it just doesn't really sit right with me to look down upon something a man spent years of his life working on. Even if I see why Jacob Collier is perceived as pretentious by many, I really don't understand why his candidness & positivity & fascination for music is met with such overwhelmingly negative energy.
I really want to enjoy his music. He has really engaging interviews. I first discovered him when he started popping up on youtube shorts for some reason and they were really cool. I was very surprised at how much i found his actual songs so boring and not interesting
Wasn't his Djesse series always fully about expressing himself and conveying his inner workings into music? I don't think it's trying to be a commercial hit or engaging for a broad mass. It's just a musically talented dude speaking through his chosen language. It's not necessarily meant to be understood imo. I feel like calling his music soulless, heartless, meaningless just for the sole reason one doesn't relate to it is just unfair. But we're all allowed to have our own seperate opinions about it! Some of these comments just made me feel the need to comment too, since they're incredibly insensitive and insulting.
Jacob collier ain’t got nothing on the GOAT pitbull
Agree
I've never even heard of this Jonkler Collie guy and I agree with you!
Mr. Worldwide
MISTER WORLDWIDE🔥🔥🔥 🗣🌏💯
Working 9 to 5 what a way to make a living
Djesse we need to cook
yo mista white!! we forgot to mix!!
🤣🤣🤣
God I hate that spelling. Is that actually like a spelling for a name?
@@dblackout1107 I know, rage boils deep within me every time I think about it.
(He didn’t cook)
Jacob Collier is the “hyper realistic painting” of the music world. Just because something is technically impressive. Does not make it listenable, good, or artistically significant.
Honestly, one of the best comparisons. I honestly do not get people who like looking at hyper realistic painting, what truly sets it apart from photography.
@@mocapcow2933 to appreciate the skill involved with making it mostly. It's cool to look for small details the artist included, or appreciate how techniques like color choice and lightning are used to their fullest extent.
It’s the same as those RUclips guys who think rapping really fast makes you a good rapper.
@@mocapcow2933 I mean I agree when it comes to art of stuff you could just easily photograph and jt would look exactly the same, but I absolutely see the appeal of hyperrealistic fantasy or science fiction art, and think it definitely involves some form of creativity and sense of aesthetic.
@@messucherforever pretty sure he just means taking a high res photo of Morgan Freeman and doing a 1:1 copy of it
i love when theres so much going on in an album that i can barely tell where the actual music starts and brad's soundboard ends
I hate how parts of jacob tracks purely sound like ai and too much ambient again. He does tons of trash ambient sometimes
This album really captures the nostalgic feeling of scanning through every radio station on the dial and not finding anything you want to listen to
BRUTAL😭😭😭😭LMFAO
Agree 100%.
😂😂😂😂too brutal mate
That's the best analogy ever. But what I'm hearing actually is that this is a person that has never had to struggle in his life for anything. He's musically very proficient obviously but his music has absolutely no substance. Under the surface these are all silly pop songs and nothing more
LMAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The most surprising thing about this video is finding out that brad is 23, lol.
Nobody likes you when you’re 23
IKR
He looks like...30? I'm 23 and look nothing like this what was bro doing lol
@@dffgffffffddddddddddehlers danlos
I'm gonna be 22 soon and i feel like this man could be my uncle, idk what's going on
His musical/production style reminds me of Bill Wurtz (with the vocal harmonies & complex chord progressions) but Bill has a clear artistic and thematic vision that Jacob is lacking
I totally get what you mean with the Bill Wurtz vibe.
Bill Wurtz and Jack Stauber are absolute Goats when making music with the kind of vibe you're talking about. They actually put life into their music.
Bill Wurtz is someone who doesn't just know complex music theory stuff, he knows how to make really cohesive and satisfying _songs._ Also he's wayyy more skilled of a producer at making his music sound good.
@@novastanswhitneyhouston Absolute W. I love Bill Wurtz and Jack Stauber.
i was more thinking NSP
Brad claiming that the poor quality mix would be the most memorable thing about the first song and then getting blindsided by the “Radio Song” ass switch up was maybe the most entertaining thing I’ve seen all month.
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@@RedTheThing I’m like Where’s Waldo except I’m terminally online
Radio Song is a masterpiece, never compare it to Jack o cooler again
The most frustrating thing is if Jacob completely nixed lyrical content and made all his music instrumental it would be 100% more enjoyable. Dude has absolutely nothing to say in any of his music and it's so clearly an afterthought; it's like getting a great meal at a restaurant but having plain water dumped all over it. The entire project suffers from his tasteless, vague, nothing lyrics
You're being far too generous.
I think this is the answer. If he didn't have lyrics in his music I'd probably listen all the time.
sloppy steaks at truffoni's?
I would agree that his lyrics suck, but the music is so terribly basic and forgettable. It's more like getting a loaf of bread, *then* dumping water on it
@@adam7280 I was thinking the exact same thing lmao
We used to call this music Adult Contemporary. It doesn't rock. It's not punk. It isn't art. There's no soul. It isn't metal. No dirt. No style. It's all the way up it's own butt.
True, the worst part is that it doesn’t even have the same soulful romance of Bolton or the rocking energy of Bon Jovi, it’s just a big floppy sack of an album
who would you say is a good musical artist from the last decade? might i ask...
Subjective
to be fair "adult contemporary" also includes groups like Elbow who have a couple amazing records in the genre. but i get what you mean
Collective Soul 🤮🤮🤮
We had great songs like Smooth Operator by Sade and Wicked Game by Chris Isaak that were classified as adult contemporary, although Sade definitely leans into soul territory.
Jacob is an incredible musician but a horrible artist
Basically how I feel about him. Can’t deny his obvious talent. Just wish he put it to better use/actually write good music.
@@tylerhackner9731 agreed
I think his arrangements are awesome but his songwriting is pretty bland to me
Arrangements and instrumentation are awesome though
He's a mid songwriter, definitely not a bad artist
But can Jacob Collier play something as fierce and soulful as Thundercat's Dragon ball durag?
Those two are great comparisons. Like Thundercat has the technical skill of someone like Collier but he ALSO has really interesting creative ideas and knows when to flex his chops and keep it in the background so it's all coherent.
@@swagmund_freud6669 and still, Collier doesn't have the groove. Even as a colaborator Thundercat always steal the show.
@@gabrielsyme4550 oh thats so true, you hear him on the background and hes like the most memorable part of the song
Guy puts 500x more effort into his image only to have a fraction of Thundercats swag
The real question is can Jacob look good in a dragonball durag?
Jacob Collier is basically the musical equivalent of a prodigy sculptor who chooses to only sculpt perfect cubes.
they are very nice looking cubes, but i would prefer something a bit more interesting. like a dodecahedron. that's a cool shape.
Sounds like a perfectionist to me. I've never heard any of these guy's music but I feel like even simple & imperfect non-academic genres like punk or hiphop have more soul to this than Jacob Collier music
lmao you guys are deaf af
I would actually argue that he sculpts things so complex and overcomplicated that nobody understands it
@@samwilson3329 of course you would think that, being the self-centered ignoramus that you are. But let me tell you. We're not pretending. We actually adore the music. Sucks to be you, not just because you can't, but mainly because you have the audacity to then think your musical perception is the hallmark of musical ability in this world. In other words, not everyone is as deaf as you are.
It feels like nothing has ever happened to Jacob Collier, you know? Like, he's never had an experience he didn't fully expect to have. He's never looked before crossing a road and he doesn't know that you're supposed to, the cars simply do not hit him. He creates music for a world without friction.
I think you’ve hit the head on the nail here buddy 👏
I showed my friend your comment and we both laughed out loud. Then she said “yeah, it’s like nothing has ever happened to him, but something happened to the person next to him” then someone chimes in “Jacob knows all of these great things about music, he just never learned there were also bad things too. 😂 love your comment.
Wow. Yes
And this album in particular is basically if DJ Khaled did anything at all
I agree he need to go on a weekend bender and walk next to somebody who doesn't know and doesn't remember meeting. Or get his heart smashed in 17 places. Or even just going hiking in some Chinese mountains surrounded by fog. For all it's complexity it is wrapped up in WAY too much bubble wrap.
He sounds like hes constantly yawning as he sings
works for morrissey, not for jacob
@@bigbonesbrian this is so true. The same thing happens everytime a classical singer tries to folk or jazz too the lack of edge or twang is so ugly and bland to ears with all of the arrangement and sound design. Wellll is a crappy song regardless but if he just did sing it from a different register it would change the whole song.
@@flopster8139actually Morrisey kinda uses his nasal overtones like any other singer like listen the big mouth strikes again for example the upper placement still cuts through the instruments a lot especially in the end of the sentences. But i get what you mean because he is kinda sounds like both i think his voice is just unique or weirdly uncommon about that. Jacob kinda sounds like a very bad Morrisey impression lmao
@@flopster8139 Morrissey sounds terrible, he's nasal and sings out of tune most of the time... Doesn't work for most people
This is so accurate though, I can't unhear it 😂
I was one of those musician kids that was always “supposed” to go to Berkelee (I actually got in but didn’t want my mom to give up her fucking house) but going to it’s summer programs and being around that community they all tend to see Jacob as like Jesus Christ in the flesh and I never understood this. He’s fine, he’s extremely smart in musical knowledge and theory, but it’s like this stuff is so damn basic for someone who’s supposed to be all over the place with what he can do
No honestly, I was in choir and the choir boys ride this guys meat like crazy
berklee jacob collier fans are the worst people on earth. a lot of people who love him have superiority complexes the size of Texas simply because they have perfect pitch, or know neopolitan 6th chords.
I wanna go to berklee because the drums side of things seems actually fun. Hope I don’t meet a whole lot of people like what you describe
He has knowledge but no creative ideas
@@vulfura I auditioned for jazz drums I’ll just say everyone’s kinda the same regardless. The issue with berklee, at least for me, is that I would’ve probably gotten tired of it all with so many people there. That’s how a lot of people end up dropping out. It’s just a very little fish gigantic pond environment. Not tryna discourage you but that’s been my experience
This album gives so much theater kid energy
Fucking bingo. There's like a 100% overlap in the people that are into this and AJR. Just the most uncool music I've ever heard.
Jacob Collier is the picture perfect definition of theater kid. Bath Uni student, upper middle class “gifted” kid. Just horrendously irritating.
@@unadventurer_I like AJR. I don’t like this.
a bit of this energy can be good, that much of it is basically jerking off
@@TSE_WOODY yeah he's just the absolute embodiment of this type of person
The feeling I get with Jacob is that if one knows so much of something, they won’t even have any coherent idea of what to do with all that knowledge (if that even makes sense) lol
Tyler joseph was right. " You better educate yourself but never too much"
You can have all that knowledge, but also make better music
As a anthro-crit lit-history major turned educator, I find that this often happens because the spaces and groups in which acquisition of knowledge and execution of wisdom occur hardly ever cross over until a person has trekked a significant amount of time into their life. The film Good Will Hunting touches on these themes well.
Okay but Paul McCartney is a good example of having that knowledge and knowing how to use it. He has so many key changes and even genre changes within songs but it feels effortless and interesting rather than over zealous elevator music 😭😭✋
@@natalialondono1356 ehh, depends. Are we talking about his Beatles days or his solo stuff? His solo stuff is very debatable 😂
Domi and Jd Beck, Thundercat, Flying Lotus, Anderson paak are good examples of artists with very high amounts of musical knowledge who are still capable of making very enjoyable music. It can be done. I think Jacob relies on grounding his ideas in very generic pop sensibilities that result in, well, very generic pop unfortunately
I'd add Dirty Loops just because they too make really corny, upbeat pop about nothing at all while permanently showing off their incredible individual technical skill, and yet their songs are really memorable earworms. I don't even like that I like Dirty Loops, that's how bad/good they are.
If you think Jacob's music is "generic pop" you obviously haven't checked out his albums in detail 🤣🤣🤣 he literally goes through 20 different styles that have nothing to do with pop. God forbid he tries to write simple songs too once in a while 🙄
@@IlIlIlIlIlIlIllIlIII Lol, you call them corny cause you don't like the genre, it's ok. The thing is, Dirty Loops are actually probably the best "pop" group on earth right now, and they are both much more sophisticated and proficient than Jacob Collier, and they have good songwriting skills... People think Jacob Collier is a genius but there are tens of thousands of people like him out there, dirty loops has no equivalent out there, and they actually make objectivelly good music.
@@Proghead88 its 2024, everyone has already done the genre hopping pop album thing already .
its undeniably well done, but its boring & not compelling and would only be original if it was released decades ago
@@grizzlixx that is a gross generalization of the reality of his music. It isn't simply because he's diverse. It is the degree of vision, passion, excitement, spontaneity, creativity and connections between ideas that most people don't have, let alone think to combine into a cohesive musical ecosystem. You basically might as well just said "he makes modern music, so what?". There is a lot more to his world and you either spend the time to appreciate it or you don't. It is a personal choice anyways. Millions of people find it exciting for many reasons, including some of the most unique, well-known, and creative musicians across many styles and countries. If you study the diversity of his fans and especially the opinions of the artists he has worked with, you will notice a very deep appreciation that is unlike pretty much anyone currently creating. Forget your own taste for a minute when studying this.
Someone said "This is just ajr-ified ween" during she put sunshine, and i completely agree, reading the lyrics i thought it was going to sound exactly like a ween song.
At least Ween's fun
Jacob Collier could never do Waving My Dick In The Wind
If you want some music that is also that "ambitious pop" kind of thing, I'd recommend Louis Cole a lot. His LPs "Quality over opinion" and "Time" are also ambitious af, creative af and not soulless at all. This music is much more complex that most of songs, but never more complex than necessary. Some intentionally quirky stuff and a great listen all the way.
Also LC is known for his work with Knower and (possibly) Clown Core.
I feel like, without knowing Louis Cole, this describes George Clanton too. He not only knows music, but knows what makes people feel the music
@@mocapcow2933 i really liked slide, but i didn't get into rap ya
probably cause i listened to the stone roses to contextualise it
@@moresnqpI’ve honestly still not heard it, but I’m obsessed with slide. It feels like it should be pretentious, but it’s just fun.
@@mocapcow2933 i think it's cause of how indie/real he is it comes from an actual personal place. not like, some random 16yo saying "i was born in the wrong generation"
If y’all don’t understand the complex nature if making a 5 q sharp harmonization sound natural, you don’t get to criticize this album (I don’t listen to music, I just read it)
it's not that hard imo
@@normanj4007found the collier fan
There is no 5 q sharp. You could theoretically sharp an extension of a chord. Honestly the more you stacked those chords the more things get complicated
Dunno if you're trolling but if you were trying to make a joke that's quite hilarious cause you're basically right. If you can't listen to his stuff and understand what's going on they you have no business criticising it. Most of the comments in this video are the equivalent of saying Dostoyevsky is sh*t because they only had a copy of his original works and they can't read Russian.
@@c.l.368 least obnoxious jacob collier fan
Jacob's like the middle-aged guys from guitar gear promos who very proficiently shred the most uninteresting licks you've ever heard on everything
This is such a good comparison omg
Nah
@@larryjackson1742yes
@@ImpendingRiot83 lmao
It sounds like the type of music 60-80 year old mccartney has been trying to make. Completely corny
I think Charli’s recent statement of how artistry is more important than technicality is perfectly displayed on this record. Makes me like and appreciate Charli’s work even more tbh lol. Great video brad
Quando não se tem técnica para coisa alguma, caso dela, o melhor é falar contra a técnica do que se aperfeiçoar 😅
if u literally knew anything about jacob youll know how he went out of his way to leave imperfections and MAKE imperfections in the songs cuz he felt music being "too perfect" was not something he wanted from the new album but yeah whatever youtuber says i follow amirite
@@taann7360 But you're proving the point. Jacob "going out of his way to leave imperfections" and (even worse) "MAKE imperfections in the songs" is robotic, sociopathic, non-artistic behavior.
@@kqatsi ok then who do u consider real artists?
while i agree with the sentiment of that statement, insinuating in any way that it's objectively wrong for Jacob to literally just explore and carry out musical concepts he thinks are cool makes it more difficult for artists who are inspired by him to explore musical ideas they think are cool too. Jacob has never said that it's more important for technicality to be on display than whatever "artistry" means to him (and it means different things to everyone, might i add). no one aspect of music is "more important" than the other, and if you wanna stack a bunch of harmonies on each other and switch time signatures a bunch cuz you think it's cool (just like Jacob does), i believe you have every objective right to do that and it's dangerous to say there's a right and wrong way to approach how you make music, let alone how you listen to and interpret it.
Fascinating how so many think he’s either the best or the worst. And the comment sections create these two bubbles as well corresponding to the reactor
Well let me help you: i dont think he is the worst. Maybe I am wrong in that. But he is surely far from the best music. This is a fact.
I wonder if he made this album, in a highly polarized world, to give people what they want - something to argue with each about. That's REALLY what we want. I wonder about that because I noticed what you observed. People seem to want to badmouth it or stan it, with very little "meh, it's decent I guess. Nothing to complain about".
@@AppearDispairDisappear-xi1gt he’s said he’d rather people have strong negative feelings about his stuff than none at all
Because that is everything these days, literally you have to hardline stance "your side" or you're just being a little fence sitting bish. This is Israel/Palestine extrapolated to everything, you are not allowed to say both sides bad doing bad things, each interaction has its own merits with a LOT of background and historical influence. No, no you must pick your side and stick with it through everything that happens no matter how heinous your take or what they might do is you have picked your team and cannot change. This Album is not even the best of the Djesse volumes, it has some good songs and I like Jacob overall. He is still young af and has a lot to learn both for himself and music overall still even though he is still very talented. If you wanted to go with MOST opinions it would be closer to mine than the "Jacob is trash" or "Jacob is the music Messiah" takes. The loudest voices drown everything out including what would be the actual consensus.
Jacob Collier knows Music Theory and makes music. Unfortunately, he "knows" Music Theory.
He knows theory, but most people listen to music because it makes them feel something. And the only thing I feel when listening to him is boredom.
He is by no means the only person who knows theory who makes music. I know artists who know theory, and as long as im on the planet and making music, there will be.
If you want to find artists who know theory and use it well with their music, you gotta go underground. If theory is the only good thing going for your music, then your ideas aren't good in the first place. Collier's music is effectively polishing turds of half baked pop songs he comes up with and tries to pass off as this great thing and people eat it up. Reddit mode engaged.
Wait wtf is wrong with mobile youtube
“he’s one of the only people that knows music theory that makes music” obviously not lol
Jacob Collier is for sure the of all time
Certainly a guy who makes sounds professionally
he is one of the of all time ngl
i can’t help but with you
Jacob Collier is.
He just... is.
Jacob collier is the the of time all
Jacob Collier being interviewed for a job at the music factory:
I understand that you're an expert in music theory?
Jacob: Yes, I'm a theoretical expert in music 😎😎😎
*Makes this album and gets fired immediately*
W fnv refrence
@YellowFrog__ that's fantastic
New Vegas reference in the wild always makes my day
I just barked how loud I laughed at this comment.
Fallout New Vegas reference at Brads channel it's amazing
I say this all the time as someone who’s studied music theory for years - you cannot take a purely logical approach to something as subjective as sound. Theory is only one side of music. You can’t treat it like math where every tiny thing must be explained with formulas and reasoning because then you just prevent yourself from seeing the bigger picture. I truly love music theory but I’ve found that focusing too much on it really hinders my creativity. It’s like comparing a robot to a human - robots can understand human emotions, but they’ll never completely grasp the human experience because it’s more than what can be explained with programming. Same thing with music.
i just love watching pretentious guy talk shut abt other pretentious guy
yes it's like a gladiator battle
Erm well...🤓👆At least Brad has some good points and he admitted other people might be able to connect with the music *adjusts glasses*
i mean one of them has won a grammy multiple times. Not a fan of the guy, i like only one song actually, but the way people talk about him putting themselves above him and his craft when he is the only one in this equation actually producing art is really off and 10x more pretentious to me
@@Gabi-nn6xuoh wow won a Grammy, oof big respect
Not like Oscars and Grammy(s) and what have you aren’t totally political and snobby and whatnot.
Music theory is not the same as songwriting.
Music theory has rules. Songwriting doesn't.
@@benmorgan9748 I mean, yes, but actually no
@@loz6445 go on
@@benmorgan9748 Yeah cos Collier is notoriously a rule follower lmao
@@OwenEastwoodMusic That's my point, try to keep up
i still cannot process the fact that jacob collier got aespa and chris martin to be on the same song with him...
Chris Martin is a huge Collier fan. Discovered him entirely by accident when listening to a playlist, and a song came on which he loved; turned out to be Jacob.
& aespa's there 4 all of like 5 seconds djhdgfgd
money and fame, powerful drugs
As a casual fan of his work, this album did a great job of highlighting all the weakest aspects of his music (maximalist production, random genre switching ) I believe he’s at his best with being simplistic (All I Need, Never Gonna Be Alone, Little Blue)
Genre switching! LOL! That's a weakness now? LOL! Simp. And the "poor mixing" comment is just delusional.
I feel like Kami's Journey is still his best album. Much more authentic and personal
Djesse 2 had some really good ones. I found his recent majogany session recordings very good.
What do you mean by maximalist production and poor mixing? Aren't those terms an oxymoron in relation to each other?
@@alexanderlozanov8744 Maximalist production makes the job of mixing harder - It's only an oxymoron if you assume the result is good.
I'm a breakdown-loving metalhead with no critical analytical skill, but my minimal input to this is that the ending breakdown to the first song is one of the most out of place and least enjoyable breakdowns I've ever heard.
apparently Willow Smith is the person "screaming" during that part too...
1:11:07 I was listening to this in the background. When the last song came on, I thought "okay, this is actually alright. Not great, but not as bad as the rest of the album." Then, a voice came out of nowhere talking about a Toyota sale, and I realized the only good song turned out to just be a Toyota ad.
im honestly so tired of the mentality that knowing music theory automatically equals better music. plenty of musicians, especially nowadays, can't even read sheet music, because they just don't need to, and their music sounds great regardless. just cause your music is more technically complicated and has an intentional lack of consistency does not make it better. i think good music can be enjoyed _and_ dissected, but it's clear that this album wants nothing _but_ to be dissected.
Collier has his issues, but I think it is more attitudinal than it is about his knowledge. In general, musical education is a good thing. I think it's a very bad thing that so many musicians today can't read sheet music. Even if your music sounds good to the ear, I have a hard time calling those people credible musicians if they can't read music. It's much like how someone shouldn't take a person's political views seriously if they don't know how to read or write properly (see many of our high school and college students today).
@@TheZenomeProject i feel like being unable to read at all is infinitely more detrimental than not being able to read music? i know its a hypothetical but that seems like a wicked dramatic leap to me. imo if a song sounds good and i can connect with it, i couldn't care less if the person who made it can transcribe it into sheet music, but that's just me!
@@braydengeorg The real impact of not knowing musical theory is the closed doors that we don't realize are being closed. The benefit of being fluent in musical theory is that it expands artistic horizons. It's interesting because a lot of bands who are now seen as legends, such as The Beatles, never learned how to read sheet music, and still made great, interesting music regardless of that, but I always wonder just how much better would that music had been, especially over the long-term, if they did take the step to do that.
@@TheZenomeProject i guess i just cant relate to the idea that finding out a band i enjoy (especially one that's influential to millions of other people) cant read/write sheet music would make me yearn for how much "better" they would sound if they could. if i already like them, i feel like it'd just be kinda depressing to keep thinking "they could be _better_ if they knew more about music theory". obviously i can't really dismiss the concept of music theory altogether, i just think treating a deep knowledge of it as a "requirement" is kinda reductive.
@@TheZenomeProject "Even if your music sounds good to the ear, I have a hard time calling those people credible musicians if they can't read music." bruh, what? Hendrix couldn't read music. Django Reinhardt could barely read *period.* if you "have a hard time calling those people credible musicians," you don't know what a musician is.
George Collier > Jacob Collier
Funnily enough
George Clanton > George Collier > Jacob Collier
George Clanton is lit lol
George clanton is a chill ass dude
@@mocapcow2933George Clinton > George Clanton > George Collier > Jacob Collier
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I haven't heard fully ai-generated music before but i think it would sound like Jacob Collier.
Ai could never make those harmonies like jacob. I actually think there is a lot of soul in his music.
Exactly what I was thinking. And not the common idea of artificial intelligence, but the reality of it. All the complexity and ostentatious elements of the best music made in different genres, but none of the focus or human flair.
@@DaWelshman yeah like how the ai pictures have all the things that "good" art has but very flat composition
@@gutsFunnyman exactly, and it's usually so busy, with superfluous details, while missing the actually striking and engaging qualities.
Didn't expect humans to make ai music before ai.
@@kolo5086harmonies are literal math, I'm pretty sure they could figure it out.
Some thoughts from me, a failed nobody musician.
JC's voice is an interesting spectacle. He's got impeccable technique and the intonation is perfect, but the simple fact is the tone of his voice is deep, throaty, and not all that expressive. It's the kind of voice that works great in an ensemble (hence why he was so successful with those vocal covers he was doing a few years back) but doesn't work as a lead voice.
And this new album to me seems like a betrayal of where he comes from musically. Think one more light by linkin park. Collier is a pretty capable jazz pianist. How many people have heard his first album? 'In My Room' is actually pretty decent because it's a lot more focussed than his new stuff. It's modern jazz/neo soul. No doubt about it. Pretty much all 4 djesse albums (yes there are 4 of them) are very broad in their scope, array of different timbres and genres. Doing that and getting it right takes a group of very talented people, usually a band. Sure, he's super talented, but he's the sole artistic director for all Djesse albums despite the massive number of feature artists. And these tracklists read like the most generic pop albums ever. Every song having multiple features is what I'm getting at there. Not good, not the sign of innovative and interesting music.
I've never liked how he's sometimes upheld as the most talented musician in the world. "Multi-instrumentalist". Sure, I'm a little jealous. But I'm a guitarist with 15+ years experience I can tell you that when he plays guitar or bass, it's all flashy stuff that sounds harder to play than it actually is. On live shows, he might pick up the bass for a few minutes and show off a bit but no way is he doing a whole show on bass. Doing that is a physical role. The instrument is heavy, big, the strings are tough to pick, tough to fret. Hard on the fingers. Only an experienced bassist who has put in a lot of time on the instrument can keep it up for a whole show without fatiguing. He tunes guitars differently so that it's easier to play chords. Not knocking that technique, but it's something to keep in mind. It's a way to avoid putting in the hard work required to be able to play loads of chords on standard tuning. Percussion is another issue. All 4 albums are full of sped up fills and grooves. It's like studio trickery/magic turned up to a deceptive level. And I get the sense that his fame comes more from videos of him doing tricks than the music he makes. Videos of him doing a 2:3:4:5 polyrhythm with his fingers come to mind. 21:22 polyrhythm. Making drawings on a piano roll with a midi keyboard. Singing microtones inbetween semitones. What do you think he gets out of showing off like this? It's all flash. I mean, try and make an impactful piece of music with any of those tricks. Maybe it's possible, but has he done it? Show me.
Listen to Louis Cole if you want a good version of Jacob Collier. He plays loads of different instruments like JC, but uses that multi instrumentalism to make captivating and hard hitting music. His 2018 album Time is better than his new album.
He took the idea for the writing with midi from a youtuber called GLASYS and didn’t credit him, it’s always annoyed me
@@o_dubski is there proof of this?
@@Yvelluap the first video Collier posted doing midi drawing he said either in video or comments he’d seen it online and been inspired but did not give any indication of who he’d seen it from
@@o_dubski if he never said where it was from how are you sure it was from glasys? though he is the most prolific person who does that i assume
@@Yvelluap it’s an inference based on the fact GLASYS had been going somewhat viral on the music production side of RUclips shorts right around the same time, while I could be wrong I find it unlikely Collier hadn’t seen his work given how similar their content was
Not sure if this makes sense but all these songs sound like they're being recorded. Most songs sound like I'm just listening to them or hearing people play, for this all I can see is people in a sound booth with no collaboration
As a metalhead, this guy reminds me of a ton of bands with virtuoso musicians with a lot of technique but 0 interesting songwriting or heart. Also prog bands that seem to be focused on having 50 genres in a song without making any narrative or artistic sense.
Artistic sense is such bull. The artistic sense can come from the artist AND the listener
To him and his fans, it has artistic merit but to you and the others that don’t like it, it doesn’t.
It’s entirely subjective and depends way more on the style, execution and context. Most people are just immediately turned off by the kind of pop he makes.
I dont like his music but I do think it has artistic merit, I never said it doesnt, where did you get that?
Also, its kind of funny that you need to explain to me that art is subjective in my comment that has a subjective opinion about art. I guess that I need to write "in my personal, subjective, opinion" at the end of every observation.
Metalhead is all I needed to know here. I think that describes Brad and many others here, although that may just be a metal plate in the skull. If anything, his songs have too much heart and not enough grit. What's with this simplistic nonsense that an album has to be a uniform concept album? The goal of it was to do international collaborations.
@@bryanleggo3489 ... Jesus fucking christ, you people absolutely are the most insufferable bunch of arrogant *and* insecure pricks, aren't you?
Jacob Collier is what tool sounds like to people who hate tool
Or how modern (except for the last album) dream theater sounds like to normal people
Jacob Collier seems to be the opposite of the Bruce Lee quote “I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times”. He may know how to do a ton of genres but i wouldn’t choose him over any artist that specializes in that sound.
Collier be like: "don't feel, think."
a great way to put it.
His music sounds better than any of your favorite artists
@@lenathemaid yeah... no, it doesn't
@@nondescriptcat5620 😭
as a fan of electronic music it pisses me off sooooooo much when people hear supersaws and instantly go "DATED DATED SOUNDS LIKE 2013 ITS DATED"
I listen to mostly electronic music and I do think some of the inclusions on here do already sound dated. Like, I get the impression Jacob doesn’t really listen to much music like this and plays around with these genres anyway, maybe including a surface level idea of what future bass or brostep for example sound like. It’s kind of neat, I would see it as an outsider perspective where his own sound always shines through, but sometimes generic. Like, just because a kpop group is on a song for example.
the supersaws (and the way they are used) aren't good tho, it's literally default serum wavetable with the unison cranked up. it sounds dated because supersaws in 2024 have evolved so far beyond that
@@christopherswanson5849 everybody and their mother has been stacking unison supersaw chords since like 2012. It's nothing new but it's also nothing old. The sound is still very pervasive in electronic music. The argument could definitely be made that a lot of this edm
is derivative of older sounds, but that requires a knowledge of the genre that I am very skeptical to think Brads fan base has. From what I've noted these people have piss poor knowledge of electronic music outside of a few artists. So to me their complaints just read the same as calling edm "youtuber intro music."
I should also add that it seems to me as though the reason they think supersaws sound like 2013 music is because that's when it was generally breaching into the mainstream. But anyone who has kept up with edm since then would know it hasn't exactly fallen out of general use. A large large number of future bass and melodic dubstep artists are doing the same or sonically similar stuff to the example in this video.
I made EDM for years, and I know of literal free DAW websites, not even programs, where you can make nearly those same supersaws with two sawtooth waveforms, high unison, a bit of detuning, and maybe a bit of reverb/delay in like 3 minutes.
It’s not that supersaws sound dated, it’s that this kind of supersaw sounds dated and generic.
@@rileysummers9757 well, not really. it's been common in edm since like 2010 and hasn't stopped being used. maybe you could argue it's overused, but it's like saying that the lex luger clap is "dated."
The album art is surprisingly accurate to the sound. Scattered, bright, and tacky.
I genuinely think the guy's problem is that he's so gifted, he sees music in a way most people can't relate to, nor do they notice the things the impressive bits. It makes sense that so many musicians speak highly of him, but I've never heard anyone say he's their favourite artist.
It's like a chef that mastered chemistry instead of cuisine. Alright, your omelette uses lab-made eggs and salt distilled from Himalayan salt blessed by the Dalai Lama, that's impressive, but my favourite diner's over-salted omelette makes me feel happy, and that's what I'd rather have.
100% agree. It’s so painstakingly carefully tweaked and crafted that it lacks the grit and imperfection of a lot of other music.
I have to disagree. Many of these songs have much simpler time signatures, melodies, and even harmonies than many progressive rock classics or jazz tunes, they feel truly sanitized. I mean simply compare Close to the Edge to anything from this album: that's "also" a meticulously crafted song, that's arguably way more intricate and incomparably more impactful.
@@lomstair7546 his music is truly sanitary, in every facet of the word.
@@lomstair7546 Yes, I never listened to his music and was expecting cut meters, microtonality or smthg like that. My god, this music is so bland.! And to be clear, there is nothing wrong with "normal" music, it just becomes weird if someone presents themselves as this kind of innovative, crazy avant-gardist and doesn`t really deliver anything new at all. Suprised of how many people fall for that marketing.
Speaking about having a "favorite musician" puts the music and the musicians in a field of competition, which is not at all.
Some opinions about music have a higher value than other ones (such as, for example , an opinion of a doctor about human health have more value than an opinion from a person who doesn't know anything about medicine). The greatest of all time loves jacob and completely respects his music.
An ad started in the middle of one of the songs and I thought it was a switch-up for a second
I’ve been meaning to get into Jacob’s music because of his association with Lizzy Mcalpine so, when I saw you reacting to this, I decided to check it out and…. To quote the genius poet that is Masta Artisan: OH MY GOD, I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS. This was PAINFUL to listen to. It just felt like auditory overload for the sake of it. Apparently people in the comments have said that the other parts of his genre spanning, multi part Djesse project are better and maybe I’ll check them out. This was a horrible introduction and if I want music where the artist flexes their musical knowledge and is around the same age as Jacob, I’ll stick with Laufey and the afformentioned Lizzy McAlpine. I’ll say this though: I now understand what it felt like when you listened to the Lizzy album I paid you to react to
Honestly, Lizzy McApline was the best part of this album. Will definitely check out her album. Don’t know how good I’ll like it, but I like “Phoebe clones” so I’m hopeful
@@mocapcow2933I’d say start with her first album, give me a minute, which is much more intimate, acoustic and I would say is less “Phoebe lite” due to it coming out in 2020 before Phoebe really blew up and everybody started trying to copy her. Not that she was an unknown before Punisher came out, but I’m sure you get what I mean. Honestly, I’ve never really gotten the Phoebe clone comparisons and think that she’s more of a blend of Phoebe’s style of music and sound with Olivia Rodrigo’s penchant for writing songs that play into theatrical, over the top, melodrama without being annoying. I think it’s at least worth checking out her stuff. Her music is certainly not as up its own ass with her musical knowledge as Djesse vol. 4, so that’s.. something
ONCE AGAIN THIS CRAP KEEPS HAPPENING, FEELING LIKE I TOOK FOUR SHOTS TO THE ABDOMEN
Don’t start with this album. If you like Lizzy McAlpine, Djesse volume 2 might be far more enjoyable for you.
Laughey? LOL! She's a tranquilizer. Pleasing, but still a snooze and sedative. She sure isn't jazz.
If AJR was inspired by Peter Gabriel and sleep Token instead of twenty one pilots
AJR is inspired ny twenty one pilots????????
Nah, Sleep Token and Genesis actually sound good
@@arunkarthikma3121 I’ll just take the genesis
@@arunkarthikma3121 sleep token is the worst band in the history of music
@@david_lynch_gaming Dang I didn't know there was so much hate lmao. Maybe it's their fanbase or something. Metal heads are the worst gatekeepers in all of music.
But I find their music enjoyable, and the vocals are very pristine-pop sounding. Not for everyone.
everyone is like "oh he knows so much why his music so bad?" but tbh I doubt he knows substantially more about music theory than your average jazz / conservatory student. He's just good at selling the image of being the music theory genius guy. He's like the Neil DeGrasse Tyson of music.
You probably don’t know much about him then. People always love doing this whole “idk much about a person but i’ll assume something” schtick
Look at his new interview with “paul davids” where he gives his outlook on guitar despite being a complete novice. He absolutely does more than your jazz student
@@Blockoumi most musicians i know at that level would have around the same amount of knowledge/insight as displayed in that interview, pretty much any advanced musician has a solid understanding of the instruments they don't play
@@BlockoumiA lot of people are jealous of him, and to be honest, I'm jealous too 😂
It’s clickbait. “Reinvent the guitar?” Haha
The thing about him is his live shows are AMAZING. I’ve seen him live and it brought me to tears. but it’s because he can’t play 300 instruments at once on stage and has to rely on other people .when he limits himself it’s so good but when he can do whatever he wants it’s just far too much
28:17 I think that this is why many people dont like Jacob's music. On a fundamental level, people are looking for different things to connect to. Jacob's music is driven by his curiosity to see what he can do. He's very talented in some areas, but he does have his shortcomings. Above all, he's here to have fun making music.
I want to give you the perspective of a person who has been a fan of Jacob for years, but kinda grew out of it (me):
i got into Jacob as I just started studying music. My views of music were pretty narrow to be honest, i didnt really know a lot of music, nor did i appreciate all of the details of what makes a song good. That made me feel a bit like an imposter. I was also super interested in learning more theory because I believed it would open the doors to writing good music (it certainly did, but there's so much more to making a good song).
So when Jacob Collier came around it created the perfect circumstances for me to like his music:
- I was looking for harmonically complex music to feed my hunger for theory and Jacob certainly delivered.
- Musicians I personally knew and looked up to praised him, so that gave me the idea that it must be good and that if i didnt think it was, my ears were just untrained. Me liking his music made me also feel less like an imposter. It was easier to grasp what made his music impressive
As the years went on and I listened to more and more music, I started looking for different things in music, and subsequently I started feeling more and more disconnected from his music.
My two main motivators initially for liking his music aren't nearly as important to me now, but i still occasionally put on a song of his, though it will usually be one of the ones where he keeps it simple.
This is the best comment on Collier and it sums up my feelings for him. I don’t think he’s dry everywhere on this album. I genuinely like his songs such as never gonna be alone, bridge over troubled waters, and little blue, but as you said, a good chunk of this is him experimenting with different genres and not getting much out of it because it’s not made with the intent to invoke an emotional message (such as the butt Rock well.)
And that’s a large criticism I have for him to: love songs. A good chunk of these are not helped by the stereotypical love lyrics in some of these songs. DJesse 3 was better because it pushed beyond the lyrics of falling in love; it talked about miscommunication, loneliness, and break ups.
Awesome insight!
one of the biggest things i’ve learned in the 20 years of playing and listening to music i have had is that just because i enjoyed listening to or writing a song, doesn’t mean it’s a good song. and there is no shame in having certain artists or songs that you know objectively don’t make “good” music but you still enjoy listening to them for one reason or another.
I think you have more musical maturing to do to actually enjoy Jacob's music on an emotional level combining the harmonic landscapes with his messages and personality showing through in the music. Rhythmic themes and ideas also carry emotion. All of this takes years to appreciate and I have a feeling you'll be able to appreciate it more in the future.
@@juicyjames2074 every single second of his music is meant to invoke an emotional message. It is up to you to listen and find a part of yourself in the journey. He is always emotionally driven, and it is the reason why he explores so much.
>Get compared to limp bisquit because they do better 😭😭😭
This is the definition of what I’m against when it comes to music as a musician myself lol. Making music that might be technically “good” but has no emotion in the music. I want to feel what the artist is making and that they care
But he has emotion in his music. I feel like this is a personal artistic expression of himself.
@@kolo5086dang he must be really shallow
This how I feel about post-LP5 & much of autechre's later releases too.
@@retorikhal you should, you know... actually watch interviews with him to know how deep and humble he is at the same time. You're speaking out of ignorance.
His music is all about emotion. Just because he can do technical things easily doesn't mean that's what the music was made for. Watch his interviews and you'll see someone totally in love with expressing their deepest passions and emotions through music, in a very spontaneous and humble way.
being a jacob collier fan that really connected emotionally with the album, i am curious to see the perspective of other people. it's really amazing (and kinda scary at the same time) that so many people can have radically different opinions on this. it really shows that nothing is objectivally good or bad
this is objective bad, you are just pretending to like this
@@88qwop yeah dude, your musical taste is objectively the BEST. i listen to him for years by myself because i like pretending 🙌 one day i will have your superior taste
@@opedroarte it is not about musical taste, is about creating something that has meaning, and transmits emotion, and this does not. I can feel emotion about music I don't like, this is just pretending to do music.
@@88qwop meaning and emotion are also abstract concepts. i can cry to movies that you find extremely boring or vice-versa. i get very emotional with a lot of jacob's work. so you prefer thinking that i must be pretending since you can't feel what i am feeling? what about assuming that everyone's emotional reactions to things are different because people are different from each other?
I respect Jacob Collier's music knowledge. That being said, he really needs to either work on his song writing, or get ghost writers to write for him. A huge problem is his "dull" lyrics. Like I don't mind a "happy"/ "non confrontational" album, but at least have some meaningful lyrical content.
This feels like music of the spheres
Edit: oh my god they actually have Chris Martin on a song. Jesus Christ.
Jacob collier was on a song in that album he was on ❤
If you listen closely at 1:21 in the first song (not this video), there’s a discord notification sound that’s left IN. ITS IN THE SONG
there’s no way lol
Oh wow, you're right. That's quite unheard of..
he discussed that in a reddit ama. he didn't know it was a discord sound effect so he put it in because it sounded neat to him. ofc we've been pavloved by the sound so it stands out to us but to him it likely blended in
Yeah, of course, he likes all kinds of sounds. What do you mean it was "left in"? You think it was left on accident? 😂
I remember listening to the song and checking my discord to see if I received a message lmao, but tbh I don't think it was left in by accident.
This album is kinda trash, but Djesse Vol 2 is genuinely a great album. It has a much more intimate vibe, and Jacob practices restraining his more self indulgent tendencies and focuses on good songs and good songwriting. Volume 1 is also pretty good.
It feels more like he was having fun making music for that album instead of just trying to show off his musical chops yk
yes i love djesse vol 2!!
definitely!! It don't matter, Feel and Make me cry are great and memorable songs
add time to rest your weary head to that!! @@adrvapor9433
Volume 1 was boring Volume 3 was inconsistent and all over the place but Vol 2 was great. Still some absolute skips but Vol 2 is very good, the best one
This is such a sad comment section.
Just because you don’t relate to the music doesn’t mean it’s soulless. A lot of people, especially classically trained musicians or jazz musicians, really connect to his music. This feels so mean spirited for no reason and there’s no real objective critique aside from “this is ai music” “I don’t wike it”.
Spot on. For me a the comforting realisation was that the vast majority of criticism of JC comes from either jealousy or profound ignorance. Once you realise that it's less bothersome. Secondly the number of people who love JC (including most of the world's best loved musical minds) vastly outnumbers the weirdly obsessive haters (and I mean HATErs) .
The general criticism is even though JC is incredibly talented, this project *sounds* plain and soulless. Intent does not equal output. This can also go the other way. There's artists who can put little thought their work but still have people heavily relate to it. Soul and heart in music is all heavily subjective stuff which is okay.
To call what people are saying here mean spirited is something I don't understand, because honestly it seems people here are respectfully acknowledging JC's talent while simultaneously just being "meh" on his music.
Jacob Collier has a thousand music awards, millions of sales and the acclaim of most of the music industry; you don't need to protect him - he's fine. If I think his music is souless, which I do, I'm going to say as much, and you know how much he'll care? Not one bit. If you're incapable of enjoying music without feeling insecure about other people's negative opinions, that's _your_ problem.
@@OwenEastwoodMusicIf you feel the need to dismiss criticism of your favourite artist as either 'jealousy' or 'ignorance' you either have an unhealthy parasocial relationship or just a lot of insecurity. Music is subjective; if you can't handle that, you have a problem you should work to fix.
@@Eden_Laika Haha utter nonsense. There's a difference between legitimate lack of interest in someone's music, and people going out of their way to hate on Collier. If you can't see that the vast majority of the hate against Collier comes from jealousy and/or ignorance then you have your eyes closed, because it's *blindingly* obvious.
I can't even imagine how mindblowing and revolutionary Jacob's music could've been if he just had good taste lol.
Jacob collier is the perfect example of "just because you can, doesnt mean you should". Like he can play 50 different instruments and has all of the technical knowledge in the world, but all of that is useless if the song doesnt sound good.
Who determines whether or not he 'should'?
@@OwenEastwoodMusic My fucking ears
@@IEatAssSometimes who to trust.. this guy's ears, or Jacob's millions of listeners & most of the best musicians on the planet inc Quincy, Herbie, Chick, John Mayer, Hans Zimmer, Pat Metheny, Jamie Cullum, Ben Folds, Chris Martin, Stormzy, Daniel Ceaser, David Crosby, Disclosure, Steve Vai etc ...
So hard to know which to believe 😭
@@OwenEastwoodMusic My ears, because I'm the one who owns them.
@@IEatAssSometimes Your subjective feeling has no bearing on what JC 'should' or 'shouldn't' do, hope that helps.
The feeling I got while listening to this album was exactly like when you’re watching a boring musical and no matter how pretty or put together the songs may be when the actors start singing you can only think “oh god here we go again”
The oh god here we go again is all too familiar and real to me 😭
Yes, exactly what I thought. Needed to scroll over an hour to find a comment like this! Nice.
Yes good one. It's totally like a bad musical where they sing some dialog. There are some great musicals. But there are also musicals with some of thee worst music ever written.
@@urbancanyons8871 which musicals have the worst music ever written?
if you think the little 'go' is cringe, he has songs where he has the guest artists hype him up, saying stuff like 'yeah, play it, J' 😫
Oh no. Which songs?
@@klodinkediloni762 it don't matter is the one where they say that. it's a really good song actually, but that moment is a bit silly
ew lol
Omg no
I don't really think this album is about flexing or sth like that. It's more about looking for new sounds, exploring new music and colaborating with more and more artist to see what's going to be created. Jacob is experienced with music enough to just create something more tasteful for his listeners, but that's not the point. He even said in one of the interviews, that all the DJESE albums are about his journey trough exploring new music and for example for my fellas (all of them are musicians) this album is something that they really appreaciate and treat as a new experience and something that we can learn from. For my parents some of the music from this album i showed them was really enjoyable for them (not all of them). Saying that this album is simply horrible is not okey. There's even that saying that when it comes to art, you can't just say is good or bad, but how you received it. In my opinion this album is something new, that should not be criticized for it's original form and I actually really liked it.
between this and the ajr hate i mostly just get the impression that brad doesn't enjoy music by happy people
Privileged, aloof happiness is extravengent and unreserved because it can be observed without consequence.
Dare I call it a class issue?
The privileged lover would "weave you a tapestry of the stars."
The common lover would "drive all the way to in my car."
Happy? More like vapid, hollow people.
wasn't a big part of brad's problem with the new AJR album that it's such a downer though?
didn't he lay into the last ajr album for essentially being self-masturbatory depression theatre?
Imagine hyperrealistic 3D dragons
I was a Jacob collier fan for a long time. I actually really like some of his early catalog. He’s really great in concert… I wish he would just make jazz instead of sellout overproduced pop music :/
sellout is a stretch tbh
You don’t like his pop music but think he has something deep to say through jazz? Maybe you’re just as pretentious.
Jacob Collier interests me, in many ways. What makes his stuff sound so...tasteless...and then you go to a Black Midi album like Cavalcade or Hellfire, another album made by musical prodigies who know every note, time signature, and progression in the book, and it just sounds so much more exciting?
a lot of reasons, but a big one is that Black Midi commits to making weird, unique stuff, while Collier uses his theory knowledge to make finely blended musical paste, a bland pastiche.
LOL! Tasteless? That would be you. Just look who you are citing.
@@bryanleggo3489 black midi is the best band of the last 20 years
@@NathanielSnider1017 LOL! Yeah, that's why they are are an international household name filling large venues everywhere.
@@bryanleggo3489They are critically acclaimed or something like that. Calling them the best is an opinion that is unchanged by how popular they are or how big of a venue they can fill
Jacob and Tori Kelly did a song on his previous Djesse album called Running Out of Love that's really, really good.
"He sounds out of place on his own music." You hammered many nails like this squarely on their heads throughout this vid.
Jacob Collier has never been told sometimes less is more, it's exhausting to listen to. I imagine his fans are made up of people who deeply understand music theory (or pretend to and just want to sound smart) and theatre kids.
He actually did comment on that, I think he said something about not knowing what too much is or something. Idc, stop talking to me, I’m driving rn.
@@mocapcow2933 dude, I am driving right now why did you make me read you comment?
@@gabrielsyme4550dude, don’t reply to me while I’m on the highway
I'm in a lot of my school's music programs, and I can confirm his only fans are people that are walking music textbooks, and/or are in theater. The groups typically overlap.
Yikes, they sounded very pretentious asf. They made Radiohead fans sound cute.
One of my friends said that Jacob Collier's music is like if 100 Gecs went to Berklee
Thinking about that made me throw up in my own mouth a little lmao
thats actually hilarious
insulting gecs like that..?
@@futurfry I think the Gecs’ appeal is that they obviously don’t take themselves seriously with the music they make. Jacob Collier wants to be taken seriously, and he’s trying way too hard.
Dude you seem way more energetic in this vid. Good video bro
He stopped smoking weed a couple hours ago.... we're all so proud of him
That samba into heavy metal vocalization track has the same energy "The Most Unwanted Song" does.
An ad started playing and when I tell u that I literally couldn’t tell the difference between that and Jacob Collier’s music 💀🤦🏽♂️
JUST 5 MORE MINUTES GUYS
As a person and musician with perfect pitch, I wanted to add on to Brad's points during track 3 and his thoughts on perfect pitch. By definition, perfect pitch doesn't let you do anything except know what a note is without hearing any reference note before it. Literally everything else comes with the way you're taught. A lot of musicians, especially classical, with perfect pitch tend to be pretentious because they are taught to be - they're taught to be special, unique. Of course, it is a great tool to have, but the culture behind it very often causes people to roll their eyes when they find out you have it. I am at a classical music academy, and I try to avoid ever mentioning or showing my perfect pitch because I know the reputation it gets. So yeah, great tool, shitty people. Oh and terrible album wow
Yeah, big misconception. I have perfect pitch but i'm not a musician. It gives you nothing if you don't actually train how to use it
it was literally the first thing you said, so how is that avoiding to say it?
@@88qwop because i was responding to brad's comment about perfect pitch and because i have an opinion that's based on experience i believe the honesty is good. are you seriously questioning me on this...
i just don’t think he’s that good at singing and his vocals are deeply uninteresting… and he’s not a good lyricist either.
You don't think at all. Brad and this page is perfect for you.
Those are totally valid opinions. Watching this video I paid attention to his lyrics closely for the first time and they’re very uninspired and surface level in my opinion. BUT he offers a lot of other really great stuff with his harmony and adventurous genre and production ideas. I think that he’s very anti-mainstream in that his lyrics and vocals totally aren’t great but I also think where his hardcore fan base lies is the music students who don’t care much about that stuff either
Que?Ele canta extremamente bem
@@bryanleggo3489collier sounds like an animal getting probed
The fact that every time an artist from a different culture comes on they get their own intro filled with a bunch of stereotypical sounds from their culture 💀 he treating em like overwatch characters
This album gives the phrase "perfection is the enemy of progress" a whole new meaning.
It’s not perfect it’s sloppy I say this as someone who knows music theory and studied sound engineering.
This is like angelic 2 the core with 1000% more talent but just as little taste, oh my god
Nah, Angelic is levels beyond this void
I mean angelic 2 the core has some soul
wait this ISN’T a sound bite but an actual part of the song 😭😭😭7:12
Jacob really just shouldnt do rock ever
AJR but for kids that brag that they can read sheet music and understand ‘obscure’ time signatures
Hey! Loved your worst albums vid!
Shoutout AJR fans 🙏
45:21 dude, the music is Indian. He is playing there with Anoushka Shankar which is a great sitar player, daughter of the late Ravi Shankar. I don't like the album but c'mon. For someone who claims to listen to a lot of music, how is difficult to tell when the music is Indian or from an arid country?
Brad always refers to the artistic elements when he judges a song, but never refers to the musical aspects. Sometimes the only thing that makes a song great is how the melody is conposed, how it corresponds with the rest of the song, how the chord progressions and harmonies work or how the rythm fits to the song.
there are well over 150 guest musicians and co-writers on this album - that's nuts!
That is NOT a good thing and I think speaks to how excessive this album sounds
@erikdaniels0n absolutely agreed! Precisely why I mentioned it - don't think I've ever seen anything like it. It's probably closer to 200 people in total working on writing producing or guesting on it. Some of my favorite old albums have a total of like 8 names associated with the whole thing.
@embermist3910 I'll check those out - thanks
huh, sure a lot of names appear as features, but I did not expect that. I suppose this is often the case with some pretty huge pop albums and names might be credited for very small contributions, but I didn’t think jacob was making those kinds of albums exactly.
@@erikdaniels0n It's not a good thing or a bad thing, it's just a thing. There are incredible albums made entirely by one person. There are incredible albums made by hundreds of people (I happen to think this is one). 'Excessive' means 'more than is desireable'. Jacob is the artist, and therefore it can't be excessive, because it was exactly as he desired. It also happens to be exactly how millions of listeners desired, but that's besides the point.
Bruh several hours ago I’ve just saw that Vox video of Jacob Collier explaining a really great analysis for the song Sir Duke by Stevie Wonder. That first song just ruined any mythical connotation that I bad on him lmfao. PLEASE make that scream your new soundboard Brad (also go listen to Beautiful Things by Benson Boone if you want to hear another of these goofy ass jumpscare song)
Yes the channels pay him to analyse great music, doesn’t mean the mf can write it. By the way Stevie Wonder didn’t know any music theory for all you nerds reading this and I’m speaking as someone who does...
you know because he’s legally blind and all.
Still waiting for the vultures stream to start
It’s all good, just another 5 minutes
Any minute now! It’s coming!
if his dad Fantano said un reviewable then he won’t i guess
This reminds me a joke from Big Bang Theory.. "Anybody know anything about internal combustion engines?" of course "anybody know how to fix an internal combustion engine?".. no not a clue..
It's always crazy how difficult it is for people to just say "It doesn't do anything for me. To each their own."
but why would you have to say that? what kind of discussion culture would that be where no one says their real opinion and isn't 'allowed' to back it up?
@@salty_3k506 It would be a “discussion culture” that tries to be in touch with reality and understands the subjective nature of these assessments.
Look at the “discussion culture” currently on display in this video. Brad childishly yawns, gets distracted, goes on meaningless tangents, then concludes with some remark like “this really sucks”, all while the chatters mindlessly parrot whatever sentiment he’s already expressed. They are just going to follow whatever he says. I guarantee if Brad instated a somber atmosphere and then said something like “ya know, this one actually sounds kinda nice”, the chat would instantly start parroting “oh yeah this one actually is alright.”
There is almost nothing of substance going on in this “discussion” and at the very least, it’s just mean-spirited. But if you at least start at the more open-minded baseline that I initially mentioned, there is at least hope of a real discussion occurring.
Totally agree but it goes both ways. There are a lot of fans of his that feel attacked when someone says they don’t like it and start lengthy discussions.
@@Joey_Fury hm okay i can see your point. it just seemed to me like your point was to say "it doesn't do it for me" and then leave the discussion, as if there's nothing worth to discuss and as if opinions aren't worth sharing.
@@salty_3k506 I see I see. Opinions are definitely worth sharing.
I just really think there is a world of difference between “I don’t like his voice” and “he’s a bad singer” for instance, though these remarks can sometimes be offered interchangeably. Or “this music doesn’t emotionally affect me” and “this is unemotional music.” It’s good to be mindful of such nuances when people offer their critiques.
James Blake deserve more the title of Genius than this guy.
LOL! AMazing ignorance there.
@@bryanleggo3489 you are just a snob.
@@bryanleggo3489 Because?
Absolutely
Ok Brad being in Love with his Fiance is the cutest damn thing. You try to act like a hard ass but we know you're a softie
He’s engaged? Omg
Jacob Collier is the final endpoint of the phrase "all the talent in the world can't grant you good taste"
How would you even pretend to know what taste is?
@@bryanleggo3489 huh??
@@spacebook8923 Gosh, I hope not. Yeah, vulgar and stupid is common enough here. Unsurprising.
@@bryanleggo3489literally one of the most smug and elitist comments I've ever seen in my life. Grow up.
@@gaynebula6439 Then why are you here if that so offends you? Brad is the epitome of smug and elitist minus having any actual reason to think he's an elite. It's all ill-educated noisy hubris from someone who's in his 20's and barely heard a wealth of music. Literally. Or is your life is just as limited? In your life? Grow up? LOL!
I really like it when an artist brings together disparate elements and the music zigs when you are expecting it to zag. The problem with this is that he attempts to do this with all of the rough edges polished off. So when it switches, it feels vapid. Compare to Mr. Bungle, Gomez or Regurgitator or any number of alternative bands in 90s-00s even Beck. They all had moments where they could feel pretentious, but they were chasing sounds that evoked something. This evokes Muzak.
This is off-topic but I just wanted to say that I really relate to Brad's humour and commentary, I don't have many friends and the ones that I do have do not even know what RUclips is. This is kinda like a safe space for me, especially seeing how Brad is open minded, welcoming to all kinds of people and doesn't shy away from speaking his true mind. Just sharing some sudden positive vibes I got because I rarely have these positive moments in my life anymore.
fr I am at university with zero friends and sometimes it is nice to just hear brad talk
There’s always two schools of thought when I listen to music as a musician. It’s either “That’s very technically impressive.” and then there’s “That’s an incredible song.” Jacob falls almost always strictly into the former category for me. He’s an amazing musician, but I feel like he isn’t the best at structuring songs in a digestible format for the average listener. That’s just me tho.
I feel like Jacob Collier is getting criticized a fair bit too much becuase people have been told and keep on memeing on how bad he is so even If a song that's good like WELLLL they just dismiss it straight up. WELLL's guitar tone critcism is another indication of that dismissal.
I mean, eh, I don't disagree, didn't really vibe with much of this album either, but as much as I don't connect with it, I'm really annoyed by this overdone Jacob hatred on the internet nowadays. I understand that it's a bit frustrating when everyone puts him on this spiritual-miracle pedestal while the music sounds a little bland and manufactured, but to me it's clear that the man REALLY loves his music, pours hours and hours of work into it and tries to bring it to the to world candidly and positively. It's a bit sad that the music community bonds just as much over hatred as they do over love for music. I can already see tons of JC fans being bullied out of liking his music just as it happens with Imagine Dragons, AJR, or whatever other artists. I understand that this is entertainment and part of being a music critic is being harsh, it just doesn't really sit right with me to look down upon something a man spent years of his life working on. Even if I see why Jacob Collier is perceived as pretentious by many, I really don't understand why his candidness & positivity & fascination for music is met with such overwhelmingly negative energy.
Yes, i don't understand.
I really want to enjoy his music. He has really engaging interviews. I first discovered him when he started popping up on youtube shorts for some reason and they were really cool. I was very surprised at how much i found his actual songs so boring and not interesting
Wasn't his Djesse series always fully about expressing himself and conveying his inner workings into music?
I don't think it's trying to be a commercial hit or engaging for a broad mass. It's just a musically talented dude speaking through his chosen language.
It's not necessarily meant to be understood imo.
I feel like calling his music soulless, heartless, meaningless just for the sole reason one doesn't relate to it is just unfair.
But we're all allowed to have our own seperate opinions about it! Some of these comments just made me feel the need to comment too, since they're incredibly insensitive and insulting.
Na bro he's just masturbating in music form