Adam you must now watch my life in gaming channel on RUclips to fine tune your frameister. what you are seeing is basic non adjusted settings. when you change the settings it can be a game changer. (trust me I know, I have one too.) I'm glad to finally hear you got one. I knew someone would have to get one for you. looking forward to seeing your future videos about it.
I eventually finished it. you will never be done fine tuning this. can't wait to see what else you do with it. Again Happy your finally enjoying the RGB God.
The Framemeister is an excellent piece of tech, glad to see you have one! Although only recommended if you're serious about your upscaling and want to plop down the cash. If you're all down for that though it's totally worth it!
You should also use an Indeger-Based Scaling like 4x and 5x Scaling for more sharper image and a perfect image without slight stretching (Because 240p doesn't fit perfectly into a whole 1080p display, 1080 divided by 240 equals 4.5) There is a guy named Pixel Purist that made custom profiles for the Framemiester for basically most retro consoles to have even scaling. Also you shouldn't use any cheap Scart Switches that aren't powered!! Because of how Analog Video works when an RGB Scart cable is run through those switches they WILL lose video quality and sharpness. Just plug the Scart Cables individually one at time for best results. There do exist very good Switchers like the GScart Switch box but they are very expensive but come with many features.
The reason why the N64 via RGB Mod doesn't look nice is because the N64 has a hideous Anti-Aliasing Filter. Please go see My Life in Gaming on RUclips for much more information, but the whole point is that Anti-Aliasing plus 240p looks nasty because the resolution is so low. As for the PS1 every version and the Slim models support a very sharp 240p image through RGB Scart, I think you just might have confused multiple JP-21 and EuroScart Cables together.
I believe why the Amiga CD32 doesn't support the Framemiester may because of the Refresh rate. You see, older consoles didn't always (And usually didn't) output in a pure 60hz refresh no matter the cable type. Usually for consoles before the PS2 (The Dreamcast has a wierd refresh rate too) it was around 59.8 hz 240p which is very off spec compared to the regular NTSC Standard which is 59.97. One exception is the NES and SNES which output at around 60.7 hz which is even more off spec, and even worse is the Game Boy Advance at 59.71. But the Neo Geo AES and MVS are the most extreme (because it's arcade hardware) at around 57hz which happily the Framemiester can handle with special settings. The Framemiester can't handle every refresh rate but it can handle most.
Congrats on getting a Framemeister. Now with that out of the way, there's alot you still need to learn about this subject lol. First of all not all SCART cables carry an RGB signal, hell SCART cables can carry S-Video or Composite even and look identical on the outside. Second of all there are many different internal revisions of the SNES, the earlier models have a softer RGB signal output. But the later models, usually called 1CHIP, look way sharper through RGB SCART, at the cost of small graphical glitches in a handful of games. Lastly, you can make the most out of your Framemeister by utilizing its features better. I recommend checking out the preset profiles from this website (www.firebrandx.com/framemeisterprofiles.html), he makes specific profiles for each console and it makes them look amazing. Happy retro gaming. :)
Nice shout out to MyLifeinGaming...they do a great job going over all the technical aspects of RGB and getting the best possible picture from your older consoles. I think Adam does a good job at making things simple for people looking to start down the road of RGB. I know his RGB videos were some of the first ones I looked at when trying to learn about RGB connectivity. Thank you for making these videos, Adam.
The XRGB mini is a 240p monster. I use mine with my Neo Geo systems and Dreamcast with a torro box and it does a great job with upscaling games and with latency. This scaler is well worth the money. Awesome video.
It's about time. Welcome to the Framemeister family. Now hit up Firebrandx's custom profiles and do it right. Glad you've finally arrived, Adam. Just remember with your Dreamcast (your favourite console, right?) that you can go VGA 480p through a SCART cable because the Framemeister accepts 480p through SCART. That means you only have to flip the switch to RGB on the Toro when required by those few games (Dino Crisis, for example) and then flip it back to VGA when needed. No need for any adapters or extra cables. Awesome.
If you were going straight from the Dreamcast to the Framemeister via an official Dreamcast RGB cable then, no, you wouldn't be able to send through a 480p signal via SCART cable. This is not a limitation of the cable itself cause they can actually handle 480p, just a failsafe from the console since most displays that took RGB directly back in the day didn't support 480p. By using the Toro though, you are pulling 480p directly from the console, which can then be sent through either the D-Sub15/VGA or SCART ports. The Framemeister accepts this signal from SCART. So if you were switching cables to play those SCART games or using a VGA adapter into the Framemeister, that's not necessary. Just use a Male to Male SCART cqble from Toro to XRGB-Mini. Done. Check Junkerhq for any XRGB-mini info. junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/Dreamcast
The deal breaker for me with the Framemeister has always been the fact that it can't handle the resolution switch in PS1 games seamlessly. Driver uses 288p for Gameplay, but 576i for the load screens, cutscenes and everything else. I already had two of those generic scalers and I learned that they can handle the switch seamlessly. Yesterday the RGB cables for the PS1 and my other consoles arrived. But when I tested Driver on the PS1, the scaler switched from PAL to NTSC and back to PAL again just before the first cutscene in Driver. What's even stranger is when I tested a game that sticks to 288p, the same thing happened before the first cutscene. This problem did not reoccur on my PS2, which suggests the problem is with my console. Do you have any ideas what could be causing this?
Just to clarify some aspects: first, there are virtually no lag using it; that thing was made to reduce lag as much as possible. Second, the "SCART" cable that comes with it is actually a JP-21 cable (it looks identical to european SCART, but the pins are assorted in a different way), meaning you must have JP-21 cables to use it. Now, my thoughts on it: I tried the XRGB Mini a while ago. It may work fantastic with 3rd and 4th gen consoles, and even 6th gen consoles, but... I'm a huge fan of the N64, it is my favorite console of all time, and it does have a HUGE issue with that. When you play a game that may switch from 240p to 480i during gameplay (that includes Resident Evil 2, Majora's Mask, all three Tony Hawk, Pokémon Stadium 1 and 2, World Driver Championship and probably many others), it simple can't handle it well. It goes to a black screen for a while until it recognizes the "new" resolution and adjusts to it. It is very annoying. I also know most Playstation games have that issue, but you can just play them on the PS3 to solve the problem. But with the N64, if you want the best experience possible, you probably should go with a PVM. Also, I recommend you to see this channel: ruclips.net/p/PL4ngkmg51Bea36_jKwc8cjf7fCVunV6MR There are a lot of setups for a variety of consoles, and you'll probably found them pretty good to use with your consoles.
I am very glad to hear you got one donated too the channel. people can think or feel however they want about people supporting your channel or you setting up a patreon but honestly I'm glad people who have awaome shows like yours have people that show you that kind of love. you always make great content that's very informative and it's channels like yours that keep me comming back to youtube. very glad we ever yiu get donations and such because I know there will always be an awsome video on them items in the future. most people don't relise the time and effort thst goes into running and channel and keep the shows intresting, you happy console gamer, gamster 81 and a few other have been my favorite gaming channels for years and o always happy when I see a new video of yours pop up. much love from over here in Maryland brother, keep up the good work and forget what any of the haters gotta say man!!!
I'm using the $50 cheap box you've talked about before and mentioned in here. I think I'm good with that as it is probably 85% as good as the Framemeister. $400 is a tough pill to swallow for something like this even when there is a marked improvement in image quality. This is an excellent breakdown video of the device though, learned quite a bit and know exactly where my current set up stands now. Thanks for doing it and thanks to Kyle for donating it to make it possible.
I held off on getting an xRGB Framemeister until right after the RetroTink 5x came out and drove down the price, so I was able to get it for ~$275. At that price, I think it's a great accessory for anyone who has multiple original retro consoles and a large smart TV. I can't even imagine trying to play NES, Genesis, or SNES games on my 85" 4K TV without a quality upscaler. This video is a great primer for people who are curious about getting an xRGB and want to know the basic features and benefits as well as what it'll take to get started. There are a couple things I'd add with the benefit of my hands-on experience: 1) Get a microSD card and install it so you can save various settings profiles. It'll make your life so much easier when switching between consoles. 2) Learn about all the various settings and play around with them on each individual console until you feel like you've optimized the image as much as you can. While it can provide a lot of improvements as a plug'n'play device, the added value of a Framemeister really shines through customization.
Fyi, the vast majority of PS2 games run at 480i. So using RGB SCART for the PS2 will result in a better picture quality over component for most of its library.
I find when it comes to 480i and 576i consoles, there's little incentive to buying a Framemeister over a cheap converter since the resolution is on par with what you'd get from DVD recorders and VCRs. If you don't care about recording from the PS2, you could just buy some official PS3 component cables and plug them into your HDTV if it still supports component.
Finally you're doing it right. My CRT still slays though. SCART is SCART and JP21 is JP21. The connector is the same, but the standard is defined by the wiring. If you're overwhelmed with technical details when buying your SCART leads, go speak to the guys at Retro Gaming Cables in the UK. First time I was buying it asked what Sync I wanted, so I just shut down my PC, turned around and walked away. Each console has different capabilities, each display has different capabilities. For example, if you're using a PVM, you want composite sync (CSYNC/Pure Sync) from all of your consoles. If they can't do this, you want a sync stripper in the cable so that your PVM thinks it has csync otherwise. Scart equipped TVs don't usually care as much, but CSYNC will usually give better results compared to other options. Sync on composite (a different standard with a similar name) uses the composite video signal to sync the RGB signals. This has potential interference issues and the end result is less likely to be as perfect as a pure sync/csync image. Not all consoles can output a CSYNC signal so you really have to be sure what cables to buy. Retro Gaming Cables in the UK will help you here. Lastly, for RGB mode to be enabled on most SCART equipped devices, there's a +5v signal that tells the display to use RGB. Instead of Composite or S-Video. Oh, and for PAL N64 users who aren't interested in RGB modding, get a "Modified S-Video" cable. S-Video was available in the PAL N64, but the brightness is "over 5000!", so a resistor or two in the cable (from memory) brings it down to levels of normality so it's actually playable. Looks good, superior to the composite signal and well worth the ~$18. HDMI mods are increasing in popularity, and except for light-guns, are the better way to do it in the modern age.
Definitely agree on the switch boxes. Worth mentioning that if you're going to use a scart switch box, make sure it's one with buttons (whether on the device or a high end one with a remote) to change which signal it's passing through manually. There are some splitters without buttons that will just detect which device is sending a signal through, but these often degrade the signal quality and most noticeably will darken the picture. In regards to sending scart straight through to a modern TV, here in Europe some higher end new TVs still support scart, and the built in upscalers aren't bad provided it's a decent brand name. Of course this varies between each model. 2007-2012 HDTVs were terrible for SD inputs, but they're not bad currently. My 2014 Panasonic Viera and my 2016 Hitachi do a very good job with my PAL Mega Drive's 288p signal.
Adam, for any that didn't work via scart, try adjusting your sync level on the xrgb mini. That's what I have to do with my playstation and it then works great. Good luck and I'm happy you finally have one.
Great work mate! Im just watching now, got a beer and settling in to finally see what this 'fantastic' Framemeister is all about!!! Cheers from aus bud!
Hate to say it Adam, but there's a very good chance your CD32 isn't properly modded for full RGB or the RGB cable you are using for it isn't properly wired , the Framemeister will ONLY accept property wired RGB scart through its RGB input. I have found this to be the case with some cheap "RGB" cables for my megadrive which although looked like scart was only outputting s-video, but a properly wired cable from retro gaming cables worked perfectly
The Framemeister is also great if your using a Sony Bravia 4k TV with the Dreamcast and the VGA HDMI box as if I just used the VGA HDMI box I got no picture but when I had a brain wave and decided to put the VGA HDMI box into the HDMI input on the Framemeister and then use the output HDMI port to connect the Framemeister to my 4k TV it worked perfectly and actually looked much better than when I used to just use the VGA HDMI box on my old 1080p TV not sure whether other 4k TVs have this issue or if it's just the Sony's or my particular model.
Duuuude, it took you 32 minutes to mention MLiG?! ;) Seriously though, those guys have done an AWESOME job at explaining all the details, so Kudos for giving them the nod.
I grew up hating scart as they would be the most unreliable thing in the world. The ports would fill with dust on my TVs and would be unclean able. Point of the story, keep your ports clean and be careful.
point is the grass always seems greener on the other side. everybody i knew growing up used the yellow composite cable and we had a blast. its better to just be happy with what you have and not be overly obsessive compulsive about things.
I just installed internal HDMI ports into my NES top loader and my N64... AMAZING!!! I used the HiDef NES mod to upgrade my NES. I used the UltraHDMI kit to upgrade my N64. The upscaler in the HiDef NES is INCREDIBLE! It can add scanlines, run a variety of pixel scalers that include 2x, 3x, and 4x standard and HQ scalers, and It's upscaler generates the HDMI data stream without a frame buffer. The lag is only 7 scanlines! Racing the beam for an HDMI stream! :D The UltraHDMI mod doesn't have pixel scalers like the HiDef NES, just converts to HDMI HD resolutions, but it has a very impressive scanline generator, CRT emulation options, and VI De-Blur mode, that cancels the N64 "blur" effect that it was notorious for. Personally, I hope the UltraHDMI is updated to include better scalers in future firmwares. The HiDef NES mod is just SO incredible. Seeing pixel level 1080p from an NES is inconceivable! Hearts in Zelda are round and heart shaped. Text is smooth! It's beyond incredible to see that come from original Nintendo hardware!
Almost all PS2 games are 480i, which is what the Framemeister handles like a boss (as long as you use the RGB SCART cable, NOT a component cable.) Even OSSC cannot handle 480i as well (and it's half the price, so I wouldn't expect it to.)
Adam, great video. I'm glad you mentioned My Life in Gaming near the end of the video as those guys have a whole series on this. It's funny you mention the Sega/Nintendo angle. I'm a huge Nintendo fan and it's why I've avoided getting the Framemeister. The cost is just too high. Glad to see you've enjoyed it!
After YEARS I've been telling you in almost every post how good this devise really is!..Finally you've got one!! Fair play to the dude that bought you this, not cheap but so worth it!!!
So does Mike Matei and James Rolfe, but they just run composite through it upscaled to 1080p on a 60" TV and drool on themselves derpy eyed. Amazing how some people just choose to be willfully ignorant.
I eat this video up! Love it! Congrats on getting a Framemeister. I'm rocking the cheapo box with a Bandridge SCART switch , but hope to one day get the courage to lay down almost half a grand for one of these. How is your Saturn collection? I still need about 38 games to complete my N.A. collection.
Purchased one a few months back and it is fantastic for playing retro rgb enabled consoles on your HD TV. It is pretty damn pricey(around 350 dollars us), if you are super into retro games... It is well worth it. I first heard about it from the RUclips channel "My Life In Gaming". They have several videos on the framemeister and some cheaper alternatives as well.
you can plug your toro into it if you use the correct input cable, it will take 240p/480i/480p rgb directly with the correct profiles fbx, you can hook your ps2 & Xbox & GC via component through the back. I wrote this in the first 3min of the video.
So Adam, what are you doing to do with the cheap upscaler box? Might be worth hanging on it, does a great job of stripping HDCP. It also seamlessly handles 240p to 480i switches that happen in some PS1 and Saturn games.
Great comparisons. Really highlights the difference between various outputs. I will say that the Amiga has better color through RGB cheap box versus smoother motion through S-Video Framemeister.
i think it'd be cool if a company that made TVs worked together with the company that makes Framemiester to make a TV with one built on.....It'd be the perfect TV for modern and retro gamers.....
Until a few years ago, I had a 19" RCA Colortrak-2000 (Manufactured Cir. 1992) that had SCART amongst it's various inputs & outputs. I mean, here's an set sold in the U.S. that has not-only the "Common" component I/O's & S-Video input, but SCART and a composite-video output! I could use it as a inline monitor to whatever external recording device I chose! One guess how that came in handy with a Tiger Electronics TvNow & transferring old VHS tapes & DVDs... of various sorts.
True, plus the PS2 also supports 480p over SCART via "sync on green" if you have a device that can accept the signal like an OSSC. Looks better than 480p over component does.
Yeah, honestly, I've never really understood the obsession with getting your old consoles to look absolutely perfect. Playing SNES and Genesis on a decent CRT isn't going to make you enjoy the games any less than paying an extra $400-600 to make it a little better. I'll deal with the scanlines and be okay.
26:40 "Some cables work with some [PS1] consoles, some cables work with other consoles" O_O Is that why I'm getting issues with issues with the RGB for it I received yesterday? My console was purchased around 1998, it's a SCPH-9002 and I purchased a Sync on Luma cable from Retro Gaming Cables in the UK. I'm using the generic SCART box. It's supposed be able to handle the switch from 240/288p to 480/576i seamlessly. But when a cutscene is about to start, even in games that stick to 288p, the resolution changes from PAL to NTSC to PAL again within a fraction of a second. The problem does not reoccur with that same cable plugged into the PS2. What cable would you recommend for my unit?
I wish there was a company that would compete with the Framemeister. Part of the reason it is so expensive is because there is no competition, as well as being import only of course. There are the cheap converter boxes but like you said, they're budget options.
theres now one the ossc and other i dont remeber the names and are more cheaper , check out the channel my live on gaming the have review of ossc and others
Adam. Please make a video of the new component cables that are being manufactured for the SNES/N64/Genesis. I would love to see how these would hold up against SCART cables. By the way, this video has convinced me to purchase a Framemiester! Thank you so much for this video!
I can see where the Framemeister is better, but honestly it only seems marginally better, and I prefer the more saturated colors of the cheap box, even if they aren't as accurate. If they ever come down I might consider it, but for now I'm totally happy with my $30 converter.
Here's a thought for a new video, Adam. Do you have any recommended Framemeister profiles? There are so many settings that it can become user-unfriendly, especially with the ideal settings varying from console to console. I tend to favor the OSSC over the Framemeister since it seems to be more plug and play. Turn it on, select the line multiplication mode of choice, and go. With the Framemeister, there seems to be no one-size-fits-all. There also doesn't seem to be many recommended PAL profiles or settings online, all the recommendations I can find seem to be for NTSC consoles.
There is an adaption cable you can get for the GX4000 that draws from the 8 pin DIN to SCART which is RGB output. I soo want a framemeister, want to capture hi def from my amstrad cpc. again, via a rgb scart cable which I have already. good coverage Adam.
Nice vid! Only one note though, I think the white balance in your Framemeister footage with Sonic CD is somewhat off. My guess is that red and blue gain is slightly lower than optimal. Otherwise it all looks great! I really like my XRGB-Mini and wouldn't want my setup to be without it. :)
I picked up one of these awhile back, and it is worth every penny. I use it on my SNES, Genesis, 32X, and Sega Saturn, all through SCART Cables. Also use with my N64 through S-video (console doesn't support SCART). Even if you don't want to use SCART and just want to stick with S-Video, it still looks amazing on all these consoles (except Genesis and 32X, which doesn't support S-Video). Even my NES through Composite looks better through the Frameister, but I plan on HDMI modding that in the near future. The only older games I don't play through it are Dreamcast (using VGA) and Playstation 1 or 2 games (using my PS3). I am however considering giving the Open Source Scan Converter (OSSC) a try, since it cuts down on input lag even more than the Frameister does. However, I heard there are issues with the SNES with it, cause of the 224p resolution.
Yeah, I am focusing on modding my NES first though, and worrying about modding the N64 later down the road, since I am satisfied with the S-Video picture right now. The HDMI mod does look amazing though.
Regarding the D-terminal RGB cable for Gamecube (DOL-009), these are more common and often (somewhat) cheaper than the Gamecube component cable (DOL-010). These can be converted to component RGB or plugged directly into the Framemeister. Great setup along with a GB Player and a Hori SNES-styled GC controller.
I think the scart to mini rgb adaptor having a power usb power cable if something to do with macro-vision where the screen has a green tint to it which from the days that i had my ps2 required me to buy a scart lead that disabled the macro.. some dvd players etc required their relevant cable to.
Also in regards to capturing footage, if you use OBS as your capture software you can set it to 4:3 during recording/production rather than doing it in editing afterwards.
Glad you finally got the XRGB. I know you're not into scanlines but you could maybe just try to enable them (I think B1 or B0 mode?) XRGB upscalers are famous for authentic scanline emulation. but i was just curious to get an opinion of someone who isn't a scanline freak like myself, lol..
Early LCD screens made by compaq had D terminal for digital picture actually. That was before DVI HDMI or Displayport broke through.this is mid to late 1990's though. They called it DFP as I remember.
I recommend the Gscart switch to go with the framemeister. It's the Rolls Royce of scart switches with 8 inputs and auto changing. But also has a big price tag.
I will invest in a Framemeister now once I figure out how to composite mod a Fairchild Channel F. Playing Videocart-21 in HDMI would be the shit man....
"like, i'm a nerd, but there are some people on another level man" -Adam Koralik 2016
Adam you must now watch my life in gaming channel on RUclips to fine tune your frameister. what you are seeing is basic non adjusted settings. when you change the settings it can be a game changer. (trust me I know, I have one too.) I'm glad to finally hear you got one. I knew someone would have to get one for you.
looking forward to seeing your future videos about it.
I echo Austin, please watch MLIG, this will help you so mech.
Funny meeting you in the comments section @BladeBlur...LOL
Just guessing you didn't finish the video. ;)
I eventually finished it. you will never be done fine tuning this.
can't wait to see what else you do with it.
Again Happy your finally enjoying the RGB God.
Raven575 I saw Austin so I was like, gravitating him there. And I did, I just don't remember .
The Framemeister is an excellent piece of tech, glad to see you have one! Although only recommended if you're serious about your upscaling and want to plop down the cash. If you're all down for that though it's totally worth it!
Yep, thanks again for your help.
Adam Koralik, you should use the Toro with the Dreamcast using 480p Scart! You have everything to do it!
You should also use an Indeger-Based Scaling like 4x and 5x Scaling for more sharper image and a perfect image without slight stretching (Because 240p doesn't fit perfectly into a whole 1080p display, 1080 divided by 240 equals 4.5) There is a guy named Pixel Purist that made custom profiles for the Framemiester for basically most retro consoles to have even scaling. Also you shouldn't use any cheap Scart Switches that aren't powered!! Because of how Analog Video works when an RGB Scart cable is run through those switches they WILL lose video quality and sharpness. Just plug the Scart Cables individually one at time for best results. There do exist very good Switchers like the GScart Switch box but they are very expensive but come with many features.
The reason why the N64 via RGB Mod doesn't look nice is because the N64 has a hideous Anti-Aliasing Filter. Please go see My Life in Gaming on RUclips for much more information, but the whole point is that Anti-Aliasing plus 240p looks nasty because the resolution is so low. As for the PS1 every version and the Slim models support a very sharp 240p image through RGB Scart, I think you just might have confused multiple JP-21 and EuroScart Cables together.
I believe why the Amiga CD32 doesn't support the Framemiester may because of the Refresh rate. You see, older consoles didn't always (And usually didn't) output in a pure 60hz refresh no matter the cable type. Usually for consoles before the PS2 (The Dreamcast has a wierd refresh rate too) it was around 59.8 hz 240p which is very off spec compared to the regular NTSC Standard which is 59.97. One exception is the NES and SNES which output at around 60.7 hz which is even more off spec, and even worse is the Game Boy Advance at 59.71. But the Neo Geo AES and MVS are the most extreme (because it's arcade hardware) at around 57hz which happily the Framemiester can handle with special settings. The Framemiester can't handle every refresh rate but it can handle most.
Congrats on getting a Framemeister. Now with that out of the way, there's alot you still need to learn about this subject lol. First of all not all SCART cables carry an RGB signal, hell SCART cables can carry S-Video or Composite even and look identical on the outside. Second of all there are many different internal revisions of the SNES, the earlier models have a softer RGB signal output. But the later models, usually called 1CHIP, look way sharper through RGB SCART, at the cost of small graphical glitches in a handful of games. Lastly, you can make the most out of your Framemeister by utilizing its features better. I recommend checking out the preset profiles from this website (www.firebrandx.com/framemeisterprofiles.html), he makes specific profiles for each console and it makes them look amazing. Happy retro gaming. :)
Nice shout out to MyLifeinGaming...they do a great job going over all the technical aspects of RGB and getting the best possible picture from your older consoles. I think Adam does a good job at making things simple for people looking to start down the road of RGB. I know his RGB videos were some of the first ones I looked at when trying to learn about RGB connectivity.
Thank you for making these videos, Adam.
No problem dude, thanks for watching.
The XRGB mini is a 240p monster. I use mine with my Neo Geo systems and Dreamcast with a torro box and it does a great job with upscaling games and with latency. This scaler is well worth the money. Awesome video.
Bought this little box of tricks 2 years ago. It has been an integral part of my setup ever since! A fantastic bit of kit!
Honestly for 400$ I would expect this thing to make a Nes Mario look like the Mario on Wii U lol
it looks better than mario on wii u that is if you are talking about the virtual wii u super mario bros
You're stupid:]
It's about time. Welcome to the Framemeister family. Now hit up Firebrandx's custom profiles and do it right. Glad you've finally arrived, Adam. Just remember with your Dreamcast (your favourite console, right?) that you can go VGA 480p through a SCART cable because the Framemeister accepts 480p through SCART. That means you only have to flip the switch to RGB on the Toro when required by those few games (Dino Crisis, for example) and then flip it back to VGA when needed. No need for any adapters or extra cables. Awesome.
I'm a tad confused on how that's possible. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't a SCART cable be unable to carry a 480p VGA signal?
If you were going straight from the Dreamcast to the Framemeister via an official Dreamcast RGB cable then, no, you wouldn't be able to send through a 480p signal via SCART cable. This is not a limitation of the cable itself cause they can actually handle 480p, just a failsafe from the console since most displays that took RGB directly back in the day didn't support 480p. By using the Toro though, you are pulling 480p directly from the console, which can then be sent through either the D-Sub15/VGA or SCART ports. The Framemeister accepts this signal from SCART. So if you were switching cables to play those SCART games or using a VGA adapter into the Framemeister, that's not necessary. Just use a Male to Male SCART cqble from Toro to XRGB-Mini. Done.
Check Junkerhq for any XRGB-mini info.
junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/Dreamcast
Is it that hard to have actual side by side, half/half screen, comparison in this vid?
Figure it out! lol
Watch My Life in Gaming for that.
LMAO! nice one
The deal breaker for me with the Framemeister has always been the fact that it can't handle the resolution switch in PS1 games seamlessly. Driver uses 288p for Gameplay, but 576i for the load screens, cutscenes and everything else. I already had two of those generic scalers and I learned that they can handle the switch seamlessly. Yesterday the RGB cables for the PS1 and my other consoles arrived. But when I tested Driver on the PS1, the scaler switched from PAL to NTSC and back to PAL again just before the first cutscene in Driver. What's even stranger is when I tested a game that sticks to 288p, the same thing happened before the first cutscene. This problem did not reoccur on my PS2, which suggests the problem is with my console. Do you have any ideas what could be causing this?
I like old consoles in high definition quality for some reason XD
I'm that one guy that uses an Elgato as a passthrough and found that useful! Thanks Adam!
Glad I could help!
Congrats on getting your framemeister. I'm interested in seeing your future videos featuring it.
Thanks.
The differences are amazing with the right cables, I didn't realize it would be so drastic.
Just to clarify some aspects: first, there are virtually no lag using it; that thing was made to reduce lag as much as possible. Second, the "SCART" cable that comes with it is actually a JP-21 cable (it looks identical to european SCART, but the pins are assorted in a different way), meaning you must have JP-21 cables to use it.
Now, my thoughts on it: I tried the XRGB Mini a while ago. It may work fantastic with 3rd and 4th gen consoles, and even 6th gen consoles, but... I'm a huge fan of the N64, it is my favorite console of all time, and it does have a HUGE issue with that. When you play a game that may switch from 240p to 480i during gameplay (that includes Resident Evil 2, Majora's Mask, all three Tony Hawk, Pokémon Stadium 1 and 2, World Driver Championship and probably many others), it simple can't handle it well. It goes to a black screen for a while until it recognizes the "new" resolution and adjusts to it. It is very annoying. I also know most Playstation games have that issue, but you can just play them on the PS3 to solve the problem. But with the N64, if you want the best experience possible, you probably should go with a PVM.
Also, I recommend you to see this channel: ruclips.net/p/PL4ngkmg51Bea36_jKwc8cjf7fCVunV6MR
There are a lot of setups for a variety of consoles, and you'll probably found them pretty good to use with your consoles.
And one more thing: try the 2-player split view mode in Sonic 2 with it, and see what happens.
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Thanks man, much appreciated!
I had no idea how expensive the framemeister was what nice thing for Kyle to do thanks Kyle and thanks Adam for sharing!
I'm using the $50 cheap box you've talked about before and mentioned in here. I think I'm good with that as it is probably 85% as good as the Framemeister. $400 is a tough pill to swallow for something like this even when there is a marked improvement in image quality. This is an excellent breakdown video of the device though, learned quite a bit and know exactly where my current set up stands now. Thanks for doing it and thanks to Kyle for donating it to make it possible.
Thanks for watching!
One pin is for green
One pin is for blue
One Pin is for me
One Pin is for you
One pin separates the last two
I held off on getting an xRGB Framemeister until right after the RetroTink 5x came out and drove down the price, so I was able to get it for ~$275. At that price, I think it's a great accessory for anyone who has multiple original retro consoles and a large smart TV. I can't even imagine trying to play NES, Genesis, or SNES games on my 85" 4K TV without a quality upscaler.
This video is a great primer for people who are curious about getting an xRGB and want to know the basic features and benefits as well as what it'll take to get started. There are a couple things I'd add with the benefit of my hands-on experience:
1) Get a microSD card and install it so you can save various settings profiles. It'll make your life so much easier when switching between consoles.
2) Learn about all the various settings and play around with them on each individual console until you feel like you've optimized the image as much as you can. While it can provide a lot of improvements as a plug'n'play device, the added value of a Framemeister really shines through customization.
Fyi, the vast majority of PS2 games run at 480i. So using RGB SCART for the PS2 will result in a better picture quality over component for most of its library.
I find when it comes to 480i and 576i consoles, there's little incentive to buying a Framemeister over a cheap converter since the resolution is on par with what you'd get from DVD recorders and VCRs. If you don't care about recording from the PS2, you could just buy some official PS3 component cables and plug them into your HDTV if it still supports component.
Agree
Awesome review Adam! That was nice of Kyle to send you that.
Thanks!
Finally you're doing it right. My CRT still slays though.
SCART is SCART and JP21 is JP21. The connector is the same, but the standard is defined by the wiring.
If you're overwhelmed with technical details when buying your SCART leads, go speak to the guys at Retro Gaming Cables in the UK. First time I was buying it asked what Sync I wanted, so I just shut down my PC, turned around and walked away. Each console has different capabilities, each display has different capabilities. For example, if you're using a PVM, you want composite sync (CSYNC/Pure Sync) from all of your consoles. If they can't do this, you want a sync stripper in the cable so that your PVM thinks it has csync otherwise. Scart equipped TVs don't usually care as much, but CSYNC will usually give better results compared to other options.
Sync on composite (a different standard with a similar name) uses the composite video signal to sync the RGB signals. This has potential interference issues and the end result is less likely to be as perfect as a pure sync/csync image. Not all consoles can output a CSYNC signal so you really have to be sure what cables to buy. Retro Gaming Cables in the UK will help you here.
Lastly, for RGB mode to be enabled on most SCART equipped devices, there's a +5v signal that tells the display to use RGB. Instead of Composite or S-Video.
Oh, and for PAL N64 users who aren't interested in RGB modding, get a "Modified S-Video" cable. S-Video was available in the PAL N64, but the brightness is "over 5000!", so a resistor or two in the cable (from memory) brings it down to levels of normality so it's actually playable. Looks good, superior to the composite signal and well worth the ~$18.
HDMI mods are increasing in popularity, and except for light-guns, are the better way to do it in the modern age.
i will stick to my CRT tv for the old consoles. its working for the past 18 years without any kind of needed service ever. seriously old is gold
I cannot believe you've got it.. I'm still saving for one.
This is a GREAT ad for RetroBit and the AVS, Adam.
Definitely agree on the switch boxes. Worth mentioning that if you're going to use a scart switch box, make sure it's one with buttons (whether on the device or a high end one with a remote) to change which signal it's passing through manually. There are some splitters without buttons that will just detect which device is sending a signal through, but these often degrade the signal quality and most noticeably will darken the picture.
In regards to sending scart straight through to a modern TV, here in Europe some higher end new TVs still support scart, and the built in upscalers aren't bad provided it's a decent brand name. Of course this varies between each model. 2007-2012 HDTVs were terrible for SD inputs, but they're not bad currently. My 2014 Panasonic Viera and my 2016 Hitachi do a very good job with my PAL Mega Drive's 288p signal.
I use the Framemeister for my Vectrex. Its great.
Adam, for any that didn't work via scart, try adjusting your sync level on the xrgb mini. That's what I have to do with my playstation and it then works great. Good luck and I'm happy you finally have one.
Great work mate! Im just watching now, got a beer and settling in to finally see what this 'fantastic' Framemeister is all about!!! Cheers from aus bud!
Hate to say it Adam, but there's a very good chance your CD32 isn't properly modded for full RGB or the RGB cable you are using for it isn't properly wired , the Framemeister will ONLY accept property wired RGB scart through its RGB input. I have found this to be the case with some cheap "RGB" cables for my megadrive which although looked like scart was only outputting s-video, but a properly wired cable from retro gaming cables worked perfectly
Thanks Kyle! Love these videos with comparisons. You should do some more of them Adam.
The Framemeister is also great if your using a Sony Bravia 4k TV with the Dreamcast and the VGA HDMI box as if I just used the VGA HDMI box I got no picture but when I had a brain wave and decided to put the VGA HDMI box into the HDMI input on the Framemeister and then use the output HDMI port to connect the Framemeister to my 4k TV it worked perfectly and actually looked much better than when I used to just use the VGA HDMI box on my old 1080p TV not sure whether other 4k TVs have this issue or if it's just the Sony's or my particular model.
Duuuude, it took you 32 minutes to mention MLiG?! ;)
Seriously though, those guys have done an AWESOME job at explaining all the details, so Kudos for giving them the nod.
I grew up hating scart as they would be the most unreliable thing in the world. The ports would fill with dust on my TVs and would be unclean able. Point of the story, keep your ports clean and be careful.
point is the grass always seems greener on the other side. everybody i knew growing up used the yellow composite cable and we had a blast. its better to just be happy with what you have and not be overly obsessive compulsive about things.
I just installed internal HDMI ports into my NES top loader and my N64... AMAZING!!! I used the HiDef NES mod to upgrade my NES. I used the UltraHDMI kit to upgrade my N64. The upscaler in the HiDef NES is INCREDIBLE! It can add scanlines, run a variety of pixel scalers that include 2x, 3x, and 4x standard and HQ scalers, and It's upscaler generates the HDMI data stream without a frame buffer. The lag is only 7 scanlines! Racing the beam for an HDMI stream! :D The UltraHDMI mod doesn't have pixel scalers like the HiDef NES, just converts to HDMI HD resolutions, but it has a very impressive scanline generator, CRT emulation options, and VI De-Blur mode, that cancels the N64 "blur" effect that it was notorious for. Personally, I hope the UltraHDMI is updated to include better scalers in future firmwares. The HiDef NES mod is just SO incredible. Seeing pixel level 1080p from an NES is inconceivable! Hearts in Zelda are round and heart shaped. Text is smooth! It's beyond incredible to see that come from original Nintendo hardware!
Almost all PS2 games are 480i, which is what the Framemeister handles like a boss (as long as you use the RGB SCART cable, NOT a component cable.) Even OSSC cannot handle 480i as well (and it's half the price, so I wouldn't expect it to.)
Adam, great video. I'm glad you mentioned My Life in Gaming near the end of the video as those guys have a whole series on this. It's funny you mention the Sega/Nintendo angle. I'm a huge Nintendo fan and it's why I've avoided getting the Framemeister. The cost is just too high. Glad to see you've enjoyed it!
Yep, it's great!
Shout out to Kyle you really needed an XRGB Mini man.
After YEARS I've been telling you in almost every post how good this devise really is!..Finally you've got one!!
Fair play to the dude that bought you this, not cheap but so worth it!!!
Yep, it's pretty great!
Lol holy shit finally, took you long enough, welcome to the FRAMEMEISTER master race Adam
mark from ClassicGameRoom has a framemeister
Framemeister! *reverb*
...framemeister *reverb needs turned down*
I think he'd be happier with a PVM.
So does Mike Matei and James Rolfe, but they just run composite through it upscaled to 1080p on a 60" TV and drool on themselves derpy eyed. Amazing how some people just choose to be willfully ignorant.
I will never use composite again as long as I can help it.
This seems to work a lot better for people then generic SCART to HDMI converters. I just wish it didn't cost so much.
I eat this video up! Love it! Congrats on getting a Framemeister. I'm rocking the cheapo box with a Bandridge SCART switch , but hope to one day get the courage to lay down almost half a grand for one of these.
How is your Saturn collection? I still need about 38 games to complete my N.A. collection.
Thanks.
It's certainly not bad. Haven't had much of a chance to upgrade it though.
I have a pal N64. With the correct S-video cable the picture is brilliant
Purchased one a few months back and it is fantastic for playing retro rgb enabled consoles on your HD TV. It is pretty damn pricey(around 350 dollars us), if you are super into retro games... It is well worth it. I first heard about it from the RUclips channel "My Life In Gaming". They have several videos on the framemeister and some cheaper alternatives as well.
you can plug your toro into it if you use the correct input cable, it will take 240p/480i/480p rgb directly with the correct profiles fbx, you can hook your ps2 & Xbox & GC via component through the back. I wrote this in the first 3min of the video.
So Adam, what are you doing to do with the cheap upscaler box? Might be worth hanging on it, does a great job of stripping HDCP. It also seamlessly handles 240p to 480i switches that happen in some PS1 and Saturn games.
Nice video dude you really make this easier with all the explanations
Happy to help.
Thanks for the video, I've been on the fence about this since I heard about it, and this is super helpful.
thanks Klyle!!!
Sega for life!!
Great comparisons. Really highlights the difference between various outputs.
I will say that the Amiga has better color through RGB cheap box versus smoother motion through S-Video Framemeister.
i think it'd be cool if a company that made TVs worked together with the company that makes Framemiester to make a TV with one built on.....It'd be the perfect TV for modern and retro gamers.....
Hail friend, welcome to the guild.
hdmi has revisions - could your cables be different revisions and the framemeister doesnt like earlier ones?
I'm 5 years late but Thank you Kyle
You Sir are awesome. Thank you so much for your simplifications.
Thank you Kyle and thank you for sharing the wonderful video
+Jean-Paul Mantilla Thanks for watching!
I was waiting for you to get the XRGB mini.
Thank You Kyle - hope I spelled it right... Thanks Adam - love the channel.
Thanks!
Everyone's on the Framemeister train lately. Choo Choo
You're a cool dude Kyle.
Very informative.
Thanks for the information in the description too.
the xrgb mini can be bought with the euroscart connector now (they started doing this earlier this year)
Until a few years ago, I had a 19" RCA Colortrak-2000 (Manufactured Cir. 1992) that had SCART amongst it's various inputs & outputs. I mean, here's an set sold in the U.S. that has not-only the "Common" component I/O's & S-Video input, but SCART and a composite-video output! I could use it as a inline monitor to whatever external recording device I chose! One guess how that came in handy with a Tiger Electronics TvNow & transferring old VHS tapes & DVDs... of various sorts.
I prefer RGB Scart for Ps2 over Component... because most games are 480i and 480i looks kinda worse with component.
True, plus the PS2 also supports 480p over SCART via "sync on green" if you have a device that can accept the signal like an OSSC. Looks better than 480p over component does.
welcome to the club.
You can still use the scaler function on HDMI inputs on the FM, FYI.
Cool, I'd love to get better image quality out of my old consoles, let's see how much they charge for it... ... ... NOPE.
Jokes aside, if I had the money I would think about it, but I prefer spending them on new stuff.
Yeah, honestly, I've never really understood the obsession with getting your old consoles to look absolutely perfect. Playing SNES and Genesis on a decent CRT isn't going to make you enjoy the games any less than paying an extra $400-600 to make it a little better. I'll deal with the scanlines and be okay.
peaceandmetal88 It's upscaling is much more than "a little better", and it saves u carting around super heavy old tvs with limited life spans.
Welcome to the frememeister master race
I like that you used a SegaCD game for your first demo. :-)
Thought it'd be unique.
I was a huge fan of Sega as a kid, but SegaCD was "the" console for me (I was 12 and it was like living in the movies).
You finally did it!
26:40 "Some cables work with some [PS1] consoles, some cables work with other consoles"
O_O Is that why I'm getting issues with issues with the RGB for it I received yesterday? My console was purchased around 1998, it's a SCPH-9002 and I purchased a Sync on Luma cable from Retro Gaming Cables in the UK. I'm using the generic SCART box. It's supposed be able to handle the switch from 240/288p to 480/576i seamlessly. But when a cutscene is about to start, even in games that stick to 288p, the resolution changes from PAL to NTSC to PAL again within a fraction of a second. The problem does not reoccur with that same cable plugged into the PS2. What cable would you recommend for my unit?
I wish there was a company that would compete with the Framemeister. Part of the reason it is so expensive is because there is no competition, as well as being import only of course. There are the cheap converter boxes but like you said, they're budget options.
theres now one the ossc and other i dont remeber the names and are more cheaper , check out the channel my live on gaming the have review of ossc and others
Good job on this video. Thank You for this review. I will definetly buying one right now.
Thanks for watching!
Welcome to the world of true RGB upscalling Adam.
Also Adam, plug your Toro box of your Dreamcast to your XRGB-Mini.
Adam. Please make a video of the new component cables that are being manufactured for the SNES/N64/Genesis. I would love to see how these would hold up against SCART cables. By the way, this video has convinced me to purchase a Framemiester! Thank you so much for this video!
Thanks for watching!
I likely won't do anything with those component cables. I see them as a massive downgrade.
I can see where the Framemeister is better, but honestly it only seems marginally better, and I prefer the more saturated colors of the cheap box, even if they aren't as accurate. If they ever come down I might consider it, but for now I'm totally happy with my $30 converter.
Here's a thought for a new video, Adam. Do you have any recommended Framemeister profiles? There are so many settings that it can become user-unfriendly, especially with the ideal settings varying from console to console. I tend to favor the OSSC over the Framemeister since it seems to be more plug and play. Turn it on, select the line multiplication mode of choice, and go. With the Framemeister, there seems to be no one-size-fits-all. There also doesn't seem to be many recommended PAL profiles or settings online, all the recommendations I can find seem to be for NTSC consoles.
Not me personally, I just grabbed some pre-sets off the internet.
There is an adaption cable you can get for the GX4000 that draws from the 8 pin DIN to SCART which is RGB output. I soo want a framemeister, want to capture hi def from my amstrad cpc. again, via a rgb scart cable which I have already. good coverage Adam.
Nice vid! Only one note though, I think the white balance in your Framemeister footage with Sonic CD is somewhat off. My guess is that red and blue gain is slightly lower than optimal. Otherwise it all looks great! I really like my XRGB-Mini and wouldn't want my setup to be without it. :)
I know i've been pestering you about this but.... PLEASE GIVE US A SETUP TOUR!!!
Another good resource on RUclips for Framemeister settings is Implant Games :)
I picked up one of these awhile back, and it is worth every penny. I use it on my SNES, Genesis, 32X, and Sega Saturn, all through SCART Cables. Also use with my N64 through S-video (console doesn't support SCART). Even if you don't want to use SCART and just want to stick with S-Video, it still looks amazing on all these consoles (except Genesis and 32X, which doesn't support S-Video). Even my NES through Composite looks better through the Frameister, but I plan on HDMI modding that in the near future. The only older games I don't play through it are Dreamcast (using VGA) and Playstation 1 or 2 games (using my PS3).
I am however considering giving the Open Source Scan Converter (OSSC) a try, since it cuts down on input lag even more than the Frameister does. However, I heard there are issues with the SNES with it, cause of the 224p resolution.
itchyisvegeta n64 can be modded for scart/HDMI
Yeah, I am focusing on modding my NES first though, and worrying about modding the N64 later down the road, since I am satisfied with the S-Video picture right now.
The HDMI mod does look amazing though.
Regarding the D-terminal RGB cable for Gamecube (DOL-009), these are more common and often (somewhat) cheaper than the Gamecube component cable (DOL-010). These can be converted to component RGB or plugged directly into the Framemeister. Great setup along with a GB Player and a Hori SNES-styled GC controller.
yep i have one looks exactly the same as the component cables
I do use D-Terminal (Japanese YpBpR connector) with my Gamecube. Same quality, but cheaper cable. I DID have to adapt it to RCA though.
I think the scart to mini rgb adaptor having a power usb power cable if something to do with macro-vision where the screen has a green tint to it which from the days that i had my ps2 required me to buy a scart lead that disabled the macro.. some dvd players etc required their relevant cable to.
PS1 games need to be played on PS2 through component on a good HDTV. Spyro games look great.
Also in regards to capturing footage, if you use OBS as your capture software you can set it to 4:3 during recording/production rather than doing it in editing afterwards.
I still need to take the plunge and dive into this. I kinda held off recently since I Hi-def HDMI modded my NES. Someday...
Thanks Kyle!
Going from composite to s-video was massive on the Saturn, I can only imagine the jump to SCART converted...
Yeah, it's amazeballs.
Glad you finally got the XRGB. I know you're not into scanlines but you could maybe just try to enable them (I think B1 or B0 mode?) XRGB upscalers are famous for authentic scanline emulation. but i was just curious to get an opinion of someone who isn't a scanline freak like myself, lol..
Early LCD screens made by compaq had D terminal for digital picture actually. That was before DVI HDMI or Displayport broke through.this is mid to late 1990's though. They called it DFP as I remember.
I recommend the Gscart switch to go with the framemeister. It's the Rolls Royce of scart switches with 8 inputs and auto changing. But also has a big price tag.
I probably should have one of these!
I will invest in a Framemeister now once I figure out how to composite mod a Fairchild Channel F. Playing Videocart-21 in HDMI would be the shit man....
Thank you, Kyle!
You are the best greetings from sweden!! If you ever happen to visit here let me know!!
Wow that modded snes jr looks so sick!!