POUND PS2/PS1 HDMI Cable! - Adam Koralik
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- Опубликовано: 22 дек 2018
- It's Adam Koralik here and today we're discussing the Pound HDMI Cable for the Sony PlayStation 2, this is the revision 1. It's an HDMI cable that taps into the console's RGB signal for a convenient gaming experience. This is my review!
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Bit of a misconception. PS2 can play PS1 games with component cables with similar quality to the PS1's RGB. It's just that most PS1 games are 240p and a lot of TVs don't support that especially through HDMI.
This! If you use any kind of intermediate scaler or a proper tv it can function with component.
I can't take credit for knowing that for a long time. MLIG talked about it. That's why I'd get a CRT with component.
Yup. Component support is also patchy. My old TV did support 240p over component...and it looked pretty damn amazing. These days I'm looking to get an oldschool CRT setup though.
Indeed. Why some HDTV's don't work PS1 game over component cables is because some TVs don't support 240p over component output. MY Samsung UHD actually passes 240p and converts it to 480p very well without using my XRGB mini.
@@Waifu4Life I heard Vizio's and Samsung's TVs handle 240p well.
I watched so many reviews of this cable on RUclips and by far this is the best and most informative review 👍
the one by Metal Jesus Rocks is far better... more side by side comparison...+ this cable has been available ( in the US... Pound don't ship to Europe direct) for quite some time now
7:42 You can have both actually. A lot of people don't realize this, but the PS2 DOES support 480p and 1080i over RGB SCART. The trouble is that it uses a rather obscure way of doing it. The PS2 usually uses RGB Sync on Luma or Sync on Composite, meaning that the sync information is carried with the S-video luma wire or composite video wire. When 480p is enabled, the console switches over to RGsB or Sync on Green, meaning that the sync information is bundled with the green colour information. Most TVs and scalers don't understand Sync on Green. The only one I know that supports it is the OSSC. The Framemeister and the cheap SCART to HDMI can't understand sync on green.
Old computer screens did support sync on green, that is why it was made for, to use with VGA Adaptor and PS2 Linux, the only disc who is natively compatible with VGA
"HOW DARE YOU NOT LIKE CAKE ADAM!"
Haven't seen your videos in like 3 years and I remember you saying "video quality is not the same as graphics" and you still always say it!
Welcome back.
Adam Koralik The Cable Guy
Always love going back to Adams vids. Wealth of Knowledge.
Honestly its really entertaining to see what the 6th gen console video interface is actually capable of
I like how Adam is wearing his Vader hoodie just like when he did in his other PS2 HDMI video
Every time Adam opens a package during filming, it looks as though he’s been waiting all mfin day to open that package
Actually, some times it can literally be months.
Adam has the best game splaining videos. You should have a million subs by now. You deserve it!
Can’t wait for the ps2 classic!the ps1 classic was the system of the year!!!....said no one ever
It is if you add a usb drive and in turn add 300 games. I’ve barely put mine down since doing that.
not gonna lie, you had me in that first half
Ps1 classic is amazing if you mod it… I have dozens of games on it
I gave mine away to a friend. My eyes cannot handle that low resolution now that I am old.
Actually Component cables work with ps1 games but it's dependent on if your tv allows 240p on component.
Yeah, that's what people have been telling me. Color me surprised.
It's a fair mistake - TVs that support 240p over component are so few and far between that the difference between these statements is basically pedantry.
I heard Samsung tv usually support it
Exactly
@metroidfan220 Samsung HD TV support 240p over component. They are not so rare.
Another informative and interesting video, thanks Adam!
Ok, you convinced me to finally buy this cable specifically for PS1 games on PS2. For such an affordable price it sure is worth it to upgrade from composite (my TV doesn't support 240p through component).
I just picked this cable up today. Thanks for the review my man. Appreciate the honesty & depth you went into. Great video Adam. Cheers!
Appreciate the profile picture, Max Payne forever..
Happy Christmas. Another cable video... love it🤣
hi adam, just wanted to say great vid. Also while many had issues with brightness, including me, i had MAJOR issues with the softness. Like i mentioned in a earlier vid my tv sony bravia handeld component amazing through a basic component to hdmi converter, but the ps2 hdmi was so soft bumped up my sharpness from 60...to max 100 😔 & its still super soft. any way great vid 👌
Great video. I think a fair assessment. Have a great Christmas, dude.
Amazing work Adam!!! Congrats!! Thank you for your video!
I played the hell out of ps2 back in the day, definitely my fave system ever!!
I talk about videos cables on my education channel and you'll be surprised how many get offended when you say AV cables suck
Dude, your awesome your channel is fantastic and you talk that talk - phenomenal 😄👍.
great video adam, im pretty sure gt4's 1080i setting isn't available in the europe version unfortunately - why did europe always get worser video options during the sixth gen haha like the gamecube
Good news for me! I don't own a PS2 and was looking for a review on this product and how it works with the original Playstation. sounds like it works well! I'm sold. Thanks Adam.
Looking back at this product. I wish they treated it as a component cable but had the built in upscaler. That way you'd have PS1 support as well as progressive scan support for PS2 games.
I know this is an older video, but, just happened to come across this exact cable in a thrift store today,had to grab it
Yup I'm getting that cable for my ps1 and will test it on my ps2. Will also try it along side of my component to HDMI converter.
I love it with my ps1, but I don't use it on ps2. It's just nowhere near as good as the component cables
So I binge watch a lot of the videos on this channel and I went to watch the review or whatever on the cheaper device and Adams beard was out of control and it made me realize we have come a long way since then
Thank you for showing the mcable for PS2 games on the PS3! I'm gonna buy it now. Cheers Adam!
Yep! But remember, that game supported progressive scan which is important for it to look THAT good.
It's not just the brightness that is wrong with this Pound cable, it's also the gamma and the saturation. The last two are completely off, which is what makes the cable totally not worth it.
I dont know if i ever told you??that i love ur channel and ur Vader jacket !!
I'm currently running PS2 RGB through my ONKYO Receiver HDMI to TV. The big problem I have is sound, its so bad I have to turn it down.
5:49 I can say even back in the day I noticed it, specifically with Chaos Legion. I use to have to sit with my eyes practically touching the CRT tube to make out what was on the screen. A lot going on and looked blurry as all hell.
That’s a badass hoodie bro. : )
19:58 Interleaving visually observable at her nose (and along the whole time/scene)!
PS3 really looked amazing! I hope the PS2HDMI can do that with 0/less lag and possibly even some improvements!
I wonder if it would ever be possible for these ps2 HDMI devices to have up scaling options like the PCSX2 ps2 emulator, like the HDMI device can have software and an interface where u could select your own resolution, probably would be hella expensive though
So does this cable have input lag ? Because I'm debating whether I should get the HD resolution cables or this one because the input lag is horrendous with component cables on my TV. Because I use component cables for a Wii and it works perfectly fine but not with a PlayStation 2 for some reason.
even while playing PS1 titles with the pound cable, while the image is clear and focused, I have noticed that the Pound cable had given a very dark and the reds were oversaturated as all hell, essentially making this whole thing pointless, and making me go back to conponent.
Great review Adam!
I use to have a couple fat PS2s but those are long gone. Thank goodness I can just play my games on my PS3 which has no issues playing any ps1 or ps2 game through hdmi.
Awesome video buddy
I always used composite cables for my ps1 and ps2 since Iaunch (literally just found out about component cables).
I just ordered the pound cable since my current tv does not have component ports. I think I will enjoy the jump from composite to this cable :D
Well, as long as you're happy.
cool video adam about the ps2 ps1 hdmi cable did it work good
I have the ps3 fat model 60gb model took out the drive and out a 160gb in it Love it
I love the idea of being able to have a hdmi switch with all my old consoles. I know they won't look like I remember but that doesn't bother me
Wow that launch PS3 footage through the Mcable looks beautiful. I'd really love to import an a North American Launch PS3 for playing PS2 games (I'm in the UK) but they're so unreliable and expensive to ship that I'm not sure I ever will. Region coding wouldn't be much of an issue though as most of my PS2 collection is imported from the US anyway for greater 60HZ and progressive scan compatibility.
Just got one for my dreamcast. So much better than composite. Eventually want to get the DCHDMI board but this is awesome for now.
Gran Turismo was not the only PS2 game to use 1080i. Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria also supported it, although Japanese release only.
I recently got a PS2 RGB Scart cable and have it hooked up to my Sony 1954Q PVM. Looks really nice. Tried SOTN and that looks fantastic as well.
not only Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria supports 1080i, it runs dithering free in this mode , which is heavily present on gt4 in 1080i
1080i in GT4 is just upscaled picture. Even 480p looks much better on my TV (simply because my upsclaing is much better compared to soft PS2 upscaling).
Just found out there is an official PS2 composite cable that wasn't sold with the PS2. It has gold tips on the wires it's called the Sony SCPH-10500 you can only find by searching for it that way. It's gonna be great on my CRT TV
i'm sold on the PAL conversion stuff. man the PS2 has so many short comings it's crazy how much i still love it
WOW. I didn't know they made one for the ps2. I got to pick that up!
Great video.
I really like what pound are trying to do, I know they’re not perfect but they are reasonably priced.
Great review. After testing the Pound cable on my 2017 OLED I have discovered a couple of other quirks which may be a deal breaker for some.
Not fully optimzed for PAL resolutions:
The built in scaler is optimized for 240p and 480i sources. I have tested a couple of PAL titles which only support 576i output and with the Pound cable I get slight but udefeatable overscan in the top and the bottom of the screen. At first the overscan was severe, but I managed to almost defeat it by engaging "just scan". Still, the top and the bottom is slightly cut off.
RGB full range:
The Pound cable outputs RGB full range (0-255) which is probably why many think gamma is off. This may cause problems since RGB full range is optimized for computer monitors. It's not a big deal for users which use modern tv's, but it may be a hassle to switch between RGB full and limited all the time for different sources.
I recently received a refurbished fat PS2 (5000 model) and after some more testing I've grown quite fond of the Pound cable for PS1 gaming. Color reproduction in PS1 games is excellent and to my eyes is just as good as component or RGB SCART. And as a bonus the 720p upconversion even removes the the ugly black bars on the top and bottom when I play lazy PAL ports such as Resident Evil 3 which are not properly optimized for 288p :-)
I still think the PS2 support is of questionable quality. Colors look washed out compared to component and RGB SCART and the 720p upconversion makes the picture look fuzzy and text unreadable. It's a smeary mess and looks like composite through a cheap HDMI converter.
Bottom line:
As others have noted this product is a well crafted PS1 HDMI plug and play solution with extra (but questionale) PS2 support as a bonus.
This is why component cables are the best option HDMI also F up the widescreen if the game already has widescreen... those 200 480p games some are widescreen especially the PAL version have options at start of the game
Hey buddy. First time watching. Thx for your take on the cable. I have a question and maybe you can help me out here. Does it matter if I'm using a PAL PS2/PS1 or an NTSC version of these consoles? As a European I want to make sure that I can use it before buying.
I don't have a PAL PS2 to test, but as it seems to just convert whatever to 720p, it SHOULD work.
@@AdamKoralik I think so, too. But I was hoping that you have hard evidence for it. No problem though, of course. Thanks a lot for your quick response! I appreciate that. 😊
If I ever test a cable myself I will update you here. Have a good day 👋
@@AdamKoralik Hey buddy. I had the chance to test the cable with my PAL PS2 and PS1 and as I promised, here is an update.
Short version: It works. Video and audio are there.
Long version: On my pal ps2 I had the issue that all pal games that run exclusively on pal mode (50hz/576i) the picture outputed by the cable was zoomed in and would cut of areas on top and bottom. This wasn't an issue of the ps2's video output settings or my tv, I tested everything. The image itself is not displayed correctly (for example in the pal version of god of war the blade on the top left corner that contains the healthbar etc is cut of a decent chunk) . Also, just to be clear, I do not mean the stretching thing that this cable does that you have to fix with your tv settings.
PS1 pal games on the other hand run good and issue free on pal ps2 and ps1 consoles (tested games were herc's adventures and frogger)
There is one solution for certain ps2 games that fixes the zooming issue. And that is the ntsc mode that came with certain pal ps2 games. I tested it with resident evil 4 (pal) and killzone (pal). Both of these games have a optional ntsc/60hz mode that you can switch on in game. That combined with the 16:9 output option of the ps2 results in a great 720p wide-screen experience with perfectly rounded buttons in menus. 😅
I guess that although this cable works with every ps2 it was designed to work with 480i/60hz signals and it therefore treats 576i/50hz signal as if they were ntsc, resulting in a uncorrect zoomed in image (imo at least).
So I conclude that this cable is not a plug n play solution for pal ps2 consoles. For ps1 pal consoles it is.
Have a nice day. 🤘
I have one, but I’ve only used it with my PSONE. I thought it looked great for that.
While I didn't understand everything being said, still a very nice video to consider while I look at options.
I was going to say that PS2s can play PS1 games through component, but only in 240p, and most modern T.V.s don't support it, but thankfully someone else said it. I'm just lucky that I have a pretty good Modern TV that still natively supports 240p. It's a 27" Samsung T.V. that was made in, I think, the early 2010s, when 4K was new but not a lot of people had it. I just want to say though that the internal scaler on my T.V. is a powerhouse and way better than anybody would think. It not only natively supports 240p, but it also handles games like Silent Hill 1 (Probably my favorite game on PS1) that change resolutions on the fly so well that I didn't even know that it was a problem until I saw that it was online.
I found pound cable dark as well but cause it only runs rgb I changed rgb to full format on tv hdmi option, picture improved perfectly.
I was extremely impressed with how haunting ground looked on the backwards compatible PS3 using the mcable. Damn.
If you want to play PS1 games with component cables, run GSM with the SDTV PAL/NTSC modes enabled.
Component cable for life.
RGB Scart!
So I noticed when you spoke about the difference between the Pound cable and component, you mentioned that the brightness looks different. I think this is a difference in color range, not the cables itself. With SD/480 using Rec. 601, you're locked to a "limited color spectrum". HD content uses the Rec. 709 standard, which allows video signals to have a slightly wider color pallet, darker blacks, and brighter whites. RGB actually uses much closer to the full color spectrum of Rec. 709, and thus, what you're seeing is the image looking closer to what is actually coming off the video chip. Component cables themselves limit the color space so that the "newer" TVs at the time didn't lose their shit over the conflicting standards.
Basically, if you need coming in more layman terms, the Pound cable to giving you a signal much closer to what the PS2's video chip is spitting out, rather than the degradation component cables do by design. This is why your PS3 footage looks much, much closer to what the Pound cable was putting out color and brightness wise.
Maybe time for a much anticipated Pound vs Hyperkin vs Levelhike PS2/PS1 link cable showdown?
Do you think if you plugged the ps1 to a pound cable, then run it through the rgb mini , would there be any benefit be able to configure it ?
Question, if this cant really upscale to 720p does the n64's ultra HDMI do that? And if it doesn't why does the image look so much cleaner?
Very nice job explaining. Who would know you have to deal with all that.
Adam is lovin' life...
Happy Christmas Adam by the way. :)
Adam, bae you did it again! A great video, that is!
Hello Adam, will you be giving badges for subscribed members? I share this as a thought. Happy Holidays bae!
This does the job for me. The darkness is somewhat cured by changing the RGB range to full on my LG C8, the picture looks great for what this is. I used to have a framemeister but sold it because I was only using it with PS2 and needed money at the time. Obviously the framemeister is superior, but I’m not sure if it is £400+ superior if I’m honest, unless you have multiple other systems to connect and take advantage.
Now I remember, it was the Dreamcast video I saw, and not this ps2 one I saw a month ago. 😆
Will this work on my sony bravia x85k tv? I got that cheap ps2 hdmi adapter and doesn't display an image. Hoping this is a full proof solution?
Bit of a misconception #2. Ps2 is able to display hd/progressive scan in RGB but then sync is switched from composite to sync on green, which most of displays don't support.
I use my PS2 Fat with a Cheapo RGB Scart cable straight to my 29" Sony Trinitron and it simply looks amazing !!
Any game I throw at it looks beautiful
Well, as long as you're happy with it.
I wish there was an easy way for you guys in the US to import TVs from the UK. Our TVs still do a great job of handling SD signals. We didn't get component in the mainstream until HDMI was a thing so a lot of people still used SD devices. This meant that TVs needed to be good at supporting SD well for longer to get people to transition from CRT to flat screens.
Seriously our legacy technology support is insane. Component is still widely supported as standard with many TVs supporting 240p/288p over component. We still get built in SCART on our TVs as well and it actually looks good (provided the TV isn't cheap shit).
@@AdamKoralik Oh very true. 50hz slowdown, removal of 480p options from most 6th gen games, the aforementioned late arrival of component, borders resulting from 288p/576i... The list could go on.
American consoles with a current UK TV would be the ideal setup IMO if it wasn't such a hassle to acquire.
It’s been a while that you haven’t made a ps2 video lol
I've noticed every time you do a video on the ps2, the darth Vader hoodie makes a cheeky appearance
I love your hoodie.
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HEN: allow me to introduce myself...
Do you think you'll be trying out the RAD2x cables? I'd love to see your take on those when they come out.
I'm game.
Excellent video. Will it be compatible with Japanese PS2 consoles though??
No reason it shouldn't be.
RGB cables for PS1 and PS2 are different so if ps1 games look better I’m assuming the pound cable is using the specifications for PS1 cables
A direct comparison between the Pound-cable and the PS2 HDMI-Adapter (the one which works with HD-modes), produces a better visual quality if the games are forced to 1080i via "GSM"... That function is also implemented in "OPL" ("Open PS2 Loader") 's "per-game-settings"!!!
pound cable for ps1 vs HD retrovision cables for ps1? any idea what is better?
I'm a diehard PS1/PS2 fan, I have 2 different versions of Monster component cables for PS2/PS3, and the PS2 just was not made for modern televisions, it has outlines and jaggies out the ying-yang. I'm so mad I nvr bought a frame meister(and even then).
Actually, at least with my component cables, every PS1 game I play on PS2 works with modern televisions and actually looks quite nice, razor sharp, no issues really, just make sure you're in 4:3. Didn't even notice the input lag (however much there is). Kinda weird how PS1 games play better on modern TV'S through a PS2 than the PS2's own games.
Oh, and Jackass PS2 is the other game that runs in 1080, and I think it's 1080p but it's probably 1080i, but it's the only other game I know that has that.
I fixed this by playing my PS1 on my PS3.
When I use my SCART to HDMI converter the ps one games heavily pixelate on all of my HD TVs. Will they still pixelate on this cable or does it smooth that out like on emulation/ps3/sd tv? When I use my old lcd tv that is 480p the ps1 games look epic (as long as the sharpness is down). Thanks.
Yeah, the PS3 looks the best here, but I have to say, I think the "darkness" of these cables helps, because the native signal seems quite flat and lacks contrast, whilst the cables add a lot of that in without making it that dark. Now fair, I'm only comparing the footage here, but still, the cable ain't doing a bad job all things considered.
Maybe I'm just lucky, but I've never had a TV that wouldn't support 480i over HDMI or trouble with PS1 games on PS2 with component cables. I've only seen the later issue once on a friend's TV.
I was interested despite having already seen Metal Jesus's take on this, and I completely agree - I WISH the PS2 had better output options. They'd basically corner the market on PS2-optimized video cables, because frankly, the M Cable is fucking pricey. Awesome, but pricey as all hell.
Happy Christmas Adam. I would love to see a saturn hdmi but I doubt it will happen.
I need the Saturn and Genesis, they're already working on a SNES one which SHOULD work for rgb modded n64
@@steviebhoy25 that's awesome 👌 I'm definitely going to get one 😁 🎮
Pixel Junkie Holy fuck, I can’t wait to see the TG-16 one!
Great Job!
I have to reduce the interal ps3 resolution when i play ps2 games + mClassic to get the best image quality? Because when i test, for instance, Shadow of the Colossus (which has progressive scan) and add the mClassic in the mix, i don't see any improvement (and i SEE improvement when using mClassic + wii games on wii u).
I just don't know how to improve ps2 games on Backward compatible PS3 :/
Set the PS3 to 720p.
Its so annoying that TV manufacturers have ditched the component input standard. I have 2 Panasonic Plasma's that both have component inputs and they display ps1 and ps2 games just fine. Im kind of screwed when i need a new tv as the majority of these converter boxes etc just don't do a good enough job.
What do you think of the ossc or some of the retrotink products?
I just got a component to HDMI upscaler. I found the video quality and compatibility to be way better, and ps1 games work.
Hey, I'm interested in that alternative too, can you tell me which one you have and how does it come its better than pound? Dont get me wrong, I mean isn't it technically the same, as the pound is already a compoment to hdmi converter and upscaler? I would use it for PS1 and PS2 games on the PS2 on a 4K LG television. Got no other option. Would it work? Thank you in advance.
Ironically, the Pound cable was brighter than that knockoff PS2 HDMI adapter. (for me at least)
I'm happy with just some ps3 component cables for the ps2.
It'll do a much better job than this cable anyways. This cable really should've been marketed as mainly for psx and just happen to work on ps2 instead of vice verse. It's gorgeous for psx
I agree but a lot of tv manufacturers are doing away with Component inputs unfortunately. I was looking at a tv and all it had was composite and obviously HDMI :/
Nicholas Cheney time to get a old school crt for your old consoles.
@@deafbyhiphop Yeah I got a 36 Sony trinitron HDCRT with an HDMI port in my basement that i use for my SNES and Mega Drive but id really like to get a SD Trinitron but I never see them on Offer Up or Craigslist anymore. At least not the ones with Component inputs
Component cables on a CRT for PS1 games through a PS2 is by far the best resolution you will find without breaking the bank
When you put it in your component cables you put in all the cables in a line in the back of the TV and the video cable is in its own row by itself and then you have to go through the TV and you have to set the input to component it will pop up in the input menu and then you push on that and that should make a major difference and then you have to go into your your PS2 and you have to set it for the the yellow green blue mode and then it will not look not blurry at all.......
Uh, yeah, we're familiar with how to access component modes on our TVs man.
I've just purchased the pound adapter great picture ,but it goes to black screen about every 20 /30 minutes can anyone help?
Looks nice on PS3 MCable. I emulate them upscaled because it's convenient. I "do" have all the consoles, but I don't have the space to set up everything.