True this chick on this channel always says "this knob is doing something" not sure if she's describing the plugin or herself working in the studio....
Thanks for the no-nonsense and brief take on this. If you did purchase it, please follow up with a "how I use this" tutorial. Maybe not a comprehensive one, but just your favourite features and use cases. Cheers!
KIRCHHOFF - THX Brother - God Bless you and thx for the great Comments and all the small phlosophical input - like "there is no winner in a war" :-) so true and your show is so much benefit for me and the World
I have been using Mdynamiceq for most of my workhorse eq jobs and it works pretty well. I just wish it had more bands. The fact that I can ad harmonics to each band though does make it feel like it has a lot more.
@@russell_szabados it’s really good! My only two complaints are that it doesn’t have mid/side controls on the low and high pass filters and that it only has 5 changeable bands. Honestly though it’s not hard to work around that though.
@@lawinter1949 thanks for the info. Yeah, like you said the mid/side is easy to work around. I never even heard of M/S until around 2009 when someone explained the vert/lat on a Fairchild to me, then I happened to buy the original FabFilter Pro-Q and it all made sense. Now it’s a crucial part of my workflow.
If I was somehow unhappy with Pro-Q 3, or wouldn't already have it, or would have too much money, I'm sure I'd buy this. Choosing between this and Pro-Q 3 it looks like this one would be better. But anybody who already has Pro-Q 3 will have to think three or four times whether this really improves their workflow this much. I don't see that happen for me, but it's great that there's some real competition in that space!
Thanks for this! I may pick this one up for the the multifunction capability. I use EQ for correction rather than an effect. I really like tweaky EQ's in the studio or in post production. I do a lot of location recording and tweaky EQ's can save a live capture. I don't like tweaky live, decisions need to be made fast so too many choices don't facilitate a live mix. I would agree that the most useful thing about analog emulations IS the imparted nonlinearity and again I find that most useful for post production duties. I appreciate an associated RTA or FFT display while applying EQ, it helps to zero in on the offending frequencies. I have a bunch of EQ's and lately I've found the Sonible Smart EQ 3 for mastering and the Radial Surfer EQ 2 for fixing leakage and other problems. I also like DMG Audio's EQuick and have used it on a lot of releases over the last few years. I do a lot of M/S and Blumlein mic techniques in my live work and like DMG Audio's [free!] TrackControl to process M/S to stereo in post. For that matter ReaEQ that comes with Reaper keeps improving and I do find it useful and quick. I'm not a fan of Fabfilter due to their feature for price ratio which I perceive to be a bit high for what's offered similar to the ProTools model.
What would be interesting is if you were to look at stock plugins for a daw of your choice! Logic, ableton, reaper, it’s kind of useless sense you mostly do analog and 3rd party plugin reviews but it would be nice to see someone like you to review if stock plugins are up to the task. Ableton is one i would like to see you try out
Oh you don`t think that FabFilter is literally kicking themselves and the shareholders telling their developers to make Q4 as you have mentioned or get the pink slip??!?!!
SIR Audio Standard EQ is also an excellent and well priced EQ that gets no attention at all. Well worth a look, it's my EQ of choice for a lot of things.
Well to me a good plugin is not about all the features a developer can cram into its code. I like the idea that this is a limitless Fabfilter Pro-Q3 but I'm pretty sure I'd use it like a Fabfilter Pro-Q3 99% of the time and use the additional features occasionally. Yes, Pro-Q3 is kind of limited but it's also waaaay more focused and you don't need to spend too much time in the settings to get amazing control over your EQ. It already is extremely powerful (enough for me anyway) and, to a certain extent, it can already ruin your mix if you don't use it carefully. Putting the Kirchhoff into the wrong hands could be devastating for their mix.
Yeah, the analogue-style filters are totally useless without non-linear behaviour. That should be one of their top priorities for their next feature update.
The relative dsnamic eq if using with a wide band trigger (missed in this vieeo) is absolutely stunning and amazanigly helpful to even out a signal. I dont know any other plugin which offer this.
Not quite sure what you mean exactly, but it makes me think of the 'spectral' crossover mode in melda plugins. It can separate audio based on the amplitude of frequencies.
Livin in the land down under, where EQ's play and people blunder... I have so many EQ's that I could make a vegamite sammich, digitally. UVI Shade EQ is another one that does a ton. With some of these plugins, its hard to ever learn how to use every single thing.
I have to say that I really enjoy your videos! One of the things I like is your Dutch accent, I'm used to it because I lived in Amsterdam for a while :)
I love how the only negative thing you hear from people is that it has too many options. LOL I bought it a few hours ago. Just got to the studio, about to put it through its paces!
I'd Like to see your take on UVI Shade, as it is another very interesting EQ plugin, with great capabilities but more catered towards sound design than actual Mixing and Mastering as far as i know. But it's the most dynamic EQ there is so that's saying something.
Imagine upgrading from an older iPad Pro to the latest one, that’s the same thing for this plugin. You don’t need it, but it’s gonna be better if you have it. Anyone should look at it on its own, or rather to look at it with a mindset of if you have not bought pro-q.
To me this ends up in the "multiple plugins smashed together" class. There are a lot of great features here, but I can already do all of this if I just use more than one plugin... And I think I can get the different tasks done BETTER by using multiple plugins instead. Like the analog style filters, I would rather just use an actual analog emulation EQ. And for dynamic EQ, I would rather use either a multiband comp or one of the fully featured dynamic EQs I have. The list goes on. I see this being great FOR THE MONEY though, like if you don't have all these different plugins you can get a TON of utility for very little money (relatively speaking).
I feel the same way. Pro Q3 is still untouchable for mixing imo. Nothing allows me to do what need to do so fast and lets me stay in a creative flow. I can do so much with it but that's not even the point, it gets it done the fastest, which is worth more than anything to a working engineer
@@photicsonar I guess that would be the one thing unique to this. You can still do that if you just have a sidechain input and two tracks both going into the sidechain. You can filter one sidechain and then have the other one be the "relative" part, whether it be broadband or filtered to a different part of the spectrum.
you will struggle really hard to find ANY "fully featured dynamic EQ" that can do what this one can. This is the best dynamic EQ out there - to my knowledge.
Gimmicks for audiophiles and audio guys hoping that the next plug (in) will make it sound better. Science guys know the deal and setup. These guys (and most audio programmers) are not making new audio secret techniques. New setups would be making your own panning algorithm between 10 speakers or making an eq plug that can make all speakers sound different but you use one GUI|[graphical user interface]. Or making an eq scan for feedback and remove it. Or making an equalizer that scans mobile phone signals|[5g] for a single voice. Good video.
I don't know if you've addressed this, but having the curves without the saturation is advantageous and not snake oil, since it gets you where you need to go faster. Especially if you are familiar with how the curves work. It's the same as having different curve types in the Sonnox EQ, etc, etc.... There are plenty of saturation plugins that let me create the tone I need.
As a developer, this plugin is a mathematics e information technology masterpiece. Probably most of us are not able to hear the superiority though. I just would like to point out that it's a shame Fabfilter stuff still work at 32bit floating point in 2022 for that crazy price.
I think SplitEQ should be the first EQ on the chain. --> Kirchhoff EQ for damage control EQing --> Weiss EQ1 and/or Chandler Ltd. Curve Bender for post-additive EQing IMHO.
You can get the same result with a dynamic eq and with an huge plus: with a dynamic eq you can set many curves with different thresholds and attack times whereas you have only a global attack time in spliteq for all curves. Moreover, spliteq has an huge latency, then it's not viable for tracking.
@@ucproductions1491 The problem, it's impossible to nail the threshold, ratio and attack/release times... There's way too much going on. Split EQ uses AI to get the components of the mix or enhance each one, tends to infinite for the amount of bands. Split EQ is more as a recording enhancement or for a master. It's very CPU heavy for obvious reasons.
@@saricubra2867 sorry, I love Eventide stuff but there is no machine learning or AI mention in theirs website. You separate transients and tonals with a threshold that you have to set manually in percentage, technically I don't "see" AI magical stuff in this approach. Moreover they developed Physion some years ago which uses the same approach of spliteq but with a different interface. Spliteq is a good tool and you can get good results faster but nothing you can't get with a dynamic eq, a multiband transient designer or a multiband compressor/expander.
This plugin is insane. Its dynamic eq is superior than FF and the rest of EQ plugins. The amount of settings it has is amazing. Im a nerd when it comes to this stuff and I like to have as many features a plugin can get, and I think the developers got it perfect.
@@eagleflies8681 only bc it has more knobs to tweak doesn't mean it's superior for me. I often feel like with FF i turn on the dynamic option and set the db reduction i want and i get the result i was searching for. With 3 clicks and 10 secs spend. Whereas with this ie u have to tweak so many knobs to get the eq behave like the FF. So when it just takes me longer to get the same result, i prefer FF bc of the workflow and the easyness of setting up things. Why should i decide to use a plugin that takes me 40-60 secs for 1 subtle change when i can have the same result in 10 secs?
@@lennartstein3024 I used both, Pro-Q3 and Kirchhof and im being honest... Kirchhof is way better in many ways, it also has better workflow in my opinion.
used it to de-ess tonight and it worked like a charm (opted for "minimum" phase setting) 2024: Introducing "Nonlinear Kirchoff"! 😃 (well, prob not but a decent suggestion)
Can someone pls tell me how to do that flat top filter at 2:04 in Pro q 3? or basically any other EQ plugins. Thanks, I'm trying to figure it out and failing....
@@michaelwirth6843 That is subjective. I do like Kirchoff EQ don't get me wrong, but do your ears tell you the explicit truth? Some prefer the distortion introduced by Pro-Q 3 which you, funnily enough, can't hear or differentiate through the blind eye if you really, REALLY pay close attention. Kirchoff EQ doesn't do anything special to your sound, its a tool just like Pro-Q 3. A linear equalizer. However, its features got me after mere minutes of playing with the demo so now, im just hoping they would introduce "nonlinearity" for their "analog" filter types in some way.
It feels like kirchoff is pro q but with much more control over the dynamic function well for me I don't like too many options I just want something that just works the eq is amazing though
A plug-in for your consideration: Flatline by Submission Audio. Demo version available and promises to add that high-end analog converter crunch to your masters.
I use the mastering-profile filtres that comes with DynOne 3 and Flatline and it sounds straight analog yet full and transparent. So much love, man! xxoooo
Flatline laimd are total BS. It's a completely generic clipper that performs exactly like any other clipper (including free ones). There is a video here on YT proving it.
Not modeling non linear effects is much like factory produced food with out seasoning . I am left at a loss as to why ? Has some very interesting tools as to purpose to fix some things.
Ive been using this and the SSL E eq with the global setting at Analog...is really working for me, I use this in conjunction with Acustica Audio Taupe, Sand 2, Sand 3 and SSL Fusion plugins with my analog rack and mackie mixer...on mixbus with pipeline in Studio One...........it seems to be more musical than Fab Q3 and it just matches my SSL Mastering Chain better... If your using a Neve or SSL Mastering Chain in the DAW or Hybrid Mixing like me... I believe this EQ is going to compliment your sound better....
The video is wrong. The non-linearities are modeled. You can even choose between a mix of non-linearity and linearity at a given cross fade frequency. Best of both worlds!
It's a shame that ThreeBodyTech is not more widely recognized. Beyond Kirchoff they have made virtual instruments of a REALISM to this day, unmatched in many ways, even though they are a few years old now. Such is the case of Heavier7Strings, a virtual guitar with an ultra-realistic sound... A pity that they are kind of abandoned
I'd be curious if you throw in Weiss Eq1 into this battle. Yes, less lines and not that flexible, but it should definitely compensate in filter quality and whatever comes out of the speakers.
Good contender EQ1, but EQ1's HF introduces distortion when turned too highly whereas au contraire Kirchhoff EQ does not distort no MATTER HOW high you turn up the HFs. Weiss EQ1 should only be used as colourisation additive post comp EQ like Chandler Limited Curve Bender is a colourisation additive EQ as well with different colourisation algorithms though.
@@TheReal_E.IRIZARRY I have no clue where you get your info from, but EQ1 is the cleanest eq I've ever tried, tested and sweared up by loads of hi level engineers as being the cleanest eq they've ever used. So you saying it colorises is absolute non-sense. I used it on most of my masters and it does quite the contrary.
@@CeZarMusic As the ole adage goes, "When you assume, you make __ ___ out of you and me". Ask before you jump into the fray, "genius". When I speak of colourisation, I'm saying it pumps in a nice analogue sound, not based of fake artifacts, "genius". Why do I bother articulating to charlatans is sometimes beyond my altruism. You must be a GearSlutz divestor and detractor.
It’s almost like they crammed tooo much into the UI though. My favorite plugins/gear lets me find a sound extremely quickly, but this is like selecting from menus upon menus.
Um, are we just ignoring UVI Shade then..? Seems very similar, but with way more filter types and the addition of deep modulation options which also make it a one stop wonderland for phasing/chorus and experimental sound design...
If memory serves, it was missing a couple important features (phase options maybe? Can't quite remember) when I tested it. It's also cheaper than this or FabFilter to begin with, plus they had a 50% off sale in January which had it going for 65 USD!...
I hate when developers can't make a decision and just throw everything at you. I like tweaking interfaces and settings but it has nothing to do with music production.
Pro-Q3 has already hit the limit of what an intuitive, easy to learn & use but effective and killer EQ plugin should feature. Anything more and it descends into diminishing returns…like the Kirchhoff.
Raise you hand if you think the learning curve for DAW based recording keeps getting steeper and steeper. Who has time to: 1) understand the parameters/features of such a plugin, and 2) get enough practice with it so that it becomes a second nature part of your workflow? One thing could be said for analog gear in this case - the limitations of having just a few knobs and faders might actually work in your favor. We are so caught up in minutiae these days . . . .
i feel like the way my professor explained it really said it best. some sessions you’ll actually be working on music and some you’ll be experimenting with plug-ins to see how they work and how it fits into YOUR signal flow or not
I guess its fine. I mean, If I diddn't own FF MB and EQ, It would be nice. Although in practice, MB and EQ behaves so differently and is PROs in their fields that I doubt it. To add, FF MB don't split up the bands (like it looks) so its basically dynamic eq with MB interface
What eq nonlinearities do other people regularly use? For me it's the pultec trick and Siemens w295b's sparkle. Hell I don't really use the pultec much anymore.
I'd really like to hear your impression of the new Tukan plugins (JSFX - but loadable in other DAWs via the reaperscript VST-wrapper)? (this is not meant as comment on the Kirchhoff plugins in any way)
I need some help with this - I'm trying to make sense of what the plugin is doing when using external sidechain, and I click on the Detect & Relative "Free" buttons one by one (or both). I've got a Kirchhoff EQ on a bass, and the kick is sidechained to that bass. Kirchhoff is listening to it. At this point I'm clear on why the dips are occurring based on the bass frequency activity. Where it gets foggy is not when I click "Relative", but when I Click Detect (both are SC enabled). Do you guys understand how this is working? Obviously Kirchhoff is supposed to be reacting to any signal coming from the sidechain input that occupies the regions where I have my Detect and Relative horizontal lines spread within the audio spectrum, right? In this case what's happening is that the kick is short, and the attack and release is set the same as another bell doing the same thing on a different frequency. However, in the 2nd frequency, when I switch from Relative to Detect (both have SC enabled) the dips go way out of sync, possibly a 16th out of sync! I don't think there is an increase of frequency material coming in that late from the sidechain input from the kick, if you see what I mean.
Hey Wytse, why don't you cover the Kirchhoff EQ? You know if you covered, the Kirchhoff it would be good. Yeah that Kirchhoff is da bestest, why don't you make a video telling me what I know so I feel good about myself!!! LOL
We need a Dan Worrall summoning light to project onto the clouds when we need something explained
Agreed!
Dan is the man!!!
We absolutely do!
True this chick on this channel always says "this knob is doing something" not sure if she's describing the plugin or herself working in the studio....
yes! we absolutely need a dan video about kirchoff!
Thanks for the no-nonsense and brief take on this. If you did purchase it, please follow up with a "how I use this" tutorial. Maybe not a comprehensive one, but just your favourite features and use cases. Cheers!
Dan has the voice of truth, and the voice of reason. Praise be.
best EQ out there... period. Ive been using it for months now and it does....everything
KIRCHHOFF - THX Brother - God Bless you and thx for the great Comments and all the small phlosophical input - like "there is no winner in a war" :-) so true and your show is so much benefit for me and the World
Finally someone who's not making my ears bleed by absent-mindedly pronouncing Kirchhoff completely wrong
Thank you, Wytse 👍☺
I’m Dutch, I live close to Germany 😂
I love coming here and getting completely entertained, while also being educated.
This plugin has excellent demo option. Fully functional, just no save/load. The best approach!
How many days?
I never saved and loaded in a plugin ever so that's excellent indeed
@@AboveEmAllProduction so you can actually use this without time limit? I dont even need those saved presets anyways.
tOO GOOD TO BE TRUE
@@CharLessMajor7Music is not preset is that if you are mixing and you save your project and come back the pluguin will be reset to default
Movable trigger for dynamic EQ was likely inspired by the Sonnox Dynamic EQ. It's a great feature. Nice to have a Pro Q3 and Sonnox in one plugin.
UVI Shade has this as well
I have been using Mdynamiceq for most of my workhorse eq jobs and it works pretty well. I just wish it had more bands. The fact that I can ad harmonics to each band though does make it feel like it has a lot more.
I didn’t know Mdynamicseq could do that. I’ll have to demo that plug-in.
@@russell_szabados it’s really good! My only two complaints are that it doesn’t have mid/side controls on the low and high pass filters and that it only has 5 changeable bands. Honestly though it’s not hard to work around that though.
@@russell_szabados although if I were you I would check out mautodynamic eq. It has mor bands and more features and it’s not much more expensive
@@lawinter1949 thanks for the info. Yeah, like you said the mid/side is easy to work around. I never even heard of M/S until around 2009 when someone explained the vert/lat on a Fairchild to me, then I happened to buy the original FabFilter Pro-Q and it all made sense. Now it’s a crucial part of my workflow.
I was sooooo shocked ...it sounds great...its harmonic feature is quite exquisite 🎉🎉
If I was somehow unhappy with Pro-Q 3, or wouldn't already have it, or would have too much money, I'm sure I'd buy this. Choosing between this and Pro-Q 3 it looks like this one would be better. But anybody who already has Pro-Q 3 will have to think three or four times whether this really improves their workflow this much. I don't see that happen for me, but it's great that there's some real competition in that space!
we are in the same boat
Kirchhoff is a workhorse and the cowboy boss driving it in one.
I find my self using Sonnox's Claro for broad EQing because of its insanely good auto gain and Pro-Q3 for notching/liner EQ.
Not modelling the non-linear characteristics makes that snake oil for sure.
It is modeled! The video is wrong…
@@samuelcerrito No, it is not. It's even stated in the official documentation. Only the curve shapes are modeled.
Thanks for this! I may pick this one up for the the multifunction capability. I use EQ for correction rather than an effect. I really like tweaky EQ's in the studio or in post production. I do a lot of location recording and tweaky EQ's can save a live capture. I don't like tweaky live, decisions need to be made fast so too many choices don't facilitate a live mix. I would agree that the most useful thing about analog emulations IS the imparted nonlinearity and again I find that most useful for post production duties. I appreciate an associated RTA or FFT display while applying EQ, it helps to zero in on the offending frequencies. I have a bunch of EQ's and lately I've found the Sonible Smart EQ 3 for mastering and the Radial Surfer EQ 2 for fixing leakage and other problems. I also like DMG Audio's EQuick and have used it on a lot of releases over the last few years. I do a lot of M/S and Blumlein mic techniques in my live work and like DMG Audio's [free!] TrackControl to process M/S to stereo in post. For that matter ReaEQ that comes with Reaper keeps improving and I do find it useful and quick. I'm not a fan of Fabfilter due to their feature for price ratio which I perceive to be a bit high for what's offered similar to the ProTools model.
What would be interesting is if you were to look at stock plugins for a daw of your choice! Logic, ableton, reaper, it’s kind of useless sense you mostly do analog and 3rd party plugin reviews but it would be nice to see someone like you to review if stock plugins are up to the task. Ableton is one i would like to see you try out
I was thinking the same thing, would love to see a Logic Pro review about every plug-in that it has and their analog simulation algorithms...
Dan Worrall has a very in-depth series of videos on this topic
I'd like the same on Studio One.
Great idea, I mainly only use the stock plugins that are in Cubase Elements.
@@omicron-prsnl9806 I'll definitely check them out and I'd love to see them here from Wytse too!
just hope pro q4 will be a kind of pro q3+kirchoff+split eq+ cubase frequency 2 (great great daw stock eq)+dmg equilibrium
Oh you don`t think that FabFilter is literally kicking themselves and the shareholders telling their developers to make Q4 as you have mentioned or get the pink slip??!?!!
@@TheReal_E.IRIZARRY Are you talking about Acoustica's Pink vst ? Gearslutz people say great things about it btw. I need to try it
@@KOjoeBeats You're kidding right?
SIR Audio Standard EQ is also an excellent and well priced EQ that gets no attention at all. Well worth a look, it's my EQ of choice for a lot of things.
SIR are underrared, they make great plugins, StandardClip is great too.
Well to me a good plugin is not about all the features a developer can cram into its code. I like the idea that this is a limitless Fabfilter Pro-Q3 but I'm pretty sure I'd use it like a Fabfilter Pro-Q3 99% of the time and use the additional features occasionally. Yes, Pro-Q3 is kind of limited but it's also waaaay more focused and you don't need to spend too much time in the settings to get amazing control over your EQ. It already is extremely powerful (enough for me anyway) and, to a certain extent, it can already ruin your mix if you don't use it carefully. Putting the Kirchhoff into the wrong hands could be devastating for their mix.
Yeah, the analogue-style filters are totally useless without non-linear behaviour. That should be one of their top priorities for their next feature update.
It just different curve styles, wide narrow... it's like what the sonnox eq is doing since decades
I'm super impressed with this plugin from a small dev. Super super impressed. Well done Kirchoff.
The relative dsnamic eq if using with a wide band trigger (missed in this vieeo) is absolutely stunning and amazanigly helpful to even out a signal. I dont know any other plugin which offer this.
An eq that can only affect back ground while leaving source in tact. That would open a new world.
Not quite sure what you mean exactly, but it makes me think of the 'spectral' crossover mode in melda plugins. It can separate audio based on the amplitude of frequencies.
Please review DMG equilibrium
and DMG Limitless.
Im really glad you made this video because I didnt knew this plugin
I love this eq. 🙏🏼
Have you ever done a snake oil on DMG plugins? LIMITLESS and EQUILIBRIUM are my go to's. Love me some DMG and they're not talked about as much
Livin in the land down under, where EQ's play and people blunder... I have so many EQ's that I could make a vegamite sammich, digitally. UVI Shade EQ is another one that does a ton. With some of these plugins, its hard to ever learn how to use every single thing.
I have to say that I really enjoy your videos! One of the things I like is your Dutch accent, I'm used to it because I lived in Amsterdam for a while :)
I love how the only negative thing you hear from people is that it has too many options. LOL I bought it a few hours ago. Just got to the studio, about to put it through its paces!
I'd Like to see your take on UVI Shade, as it is another very interesting EQ plugin, with great capabilities but more catered towards sound design than actual Mixing and Mastering as far as i know.
But it's the most dynamic EQ there is so that's saying something.
Imagine upgrading from an older iPad Pro to the latest one, that’s the same thing for this plugin. You don’t need it, but it’s gonna be better if you have it. Anyone should look at it on its own, or rather to look at it with a mindset of if you have not bought pro-q.
DAN WE NEED YOU
To me this ends up in the "multiple plugins smashed together" class. There are a lot of great features here, but I can already do all of this if I just use more than one plugin... And I think I can get the different tasks done BETTER by using multiple plugins instead. Like the analog style filters, I would rather just use an actual analog emulation EQ. And for dynamic EQ, I would rather use either a multiband comp or one of the fully featured dynamic EQs I have. The list goes on.
I see this being great FOR THE MONEY though, like if you don't have all these different plugins you can get a TON of utility for very little money (relatively speaking).
I feel the same way. Pro Q3 is still untouchable for mixing imo. Nothing allows me to do what need to do so fast and lets me stay in a creative flow. I can do so much with it but that's not even the point, it gets it done the fastest, which is worth more than anything to a working engineer
Which dynamic EQ you have can do the „relative“ feature.? . I have many dynamic EQ‘s but none of them has this feature…
@@photicsonar I guess that would be the one thing unique to this. You can still do that if you just have a sidechain input and two tracks both going into the sidechain. You can filter one sidechain and then have the other one be the "relative" part, whether it be broadband or filtered to a different part of the spectrum.
you will struggle really hard to find ANY "fully featured dynamic EQ" that can do what this one can. This is the best dynamic EQ out there - to my knowledge.
@@akagerhard That might very well be true.
Take a look at Hornet multicomp, such a small quality team that needs some attention.
This EQ looks really great, but I stick to my Pro Q3. Hope Fabfilter took notes tho...
Gimmicks for audiophiles and audio guys hoping that the next plug (in) will make it sound better. Science guys know the deal and setup. These guys (and most audio programmers) are not making new audio secret techniques. New setups would be making your own panning algorithm between 10 speakers or making an eq plug that can make all speakers sound different but you use one GUI|[graphical user interface]. Or making an eq scan for feedback and remove it. Or making an equalizer that scans mobile phone signals|[5g] for a single voice. Good video.
I don't know if you've addressed this, but having the curves without the saturation is advantageous and not snake oil, since it gets you where you need to go faster. Especially if you are familiar with how the curves work. It's the same as having different curve types in the Sonnox EQ, etc, etc....
There are plenty of saturation plugins that let me create the tone I need.
I've been waiting for this one ever since I got your email :)
Got it for 25 dollars. What a bargain!
As a developer, this plugin is a mathematics e information technology masterpiece. Probably most of us are not able to hear the superiority though. I just would like to point out that it's a shame Fabfilter stuff still work at 32bit floating point in 2022 for that crazy price.
LOL men...
Still Split EQ is the most innovative one. I can remove loudness war from a master just by using that thing, really impressive.
I think SplitEQ should be the first EQ on the chain.
--> Kirchhoff EQ for damage control EQing
--> Weiss EQ1 and/or Chandler Ltd. Curve Bender for post-additive EQing IMHO.
You can get the same result with a dynamic eq and with an huge plus: with a dynamic eq you can set many curves with different thresholds and attack times whereas you have only a global attack time in spliteq for all curves. Moreover, spliteq has an huge latency, then it's not viable for tracking.
@@ucproductions1491 The problem, it's impossible to nail the threshold, ratio and attack/release times...
There's way too much going on.
Split EQ uses AI to get the components of the mix or enhance each one, tends to infinite for the amount of bands.
Split EQ is more as a recording enhancement or for a master. It's very CPU heavy for obvious reasons.
@@saricubra2867 sorry, I love Eventide stuff but there is no machine learning or AI mention in theirs website. You separate transients and tonals with a threshold that you have to set manually in percentage, technically I don't "see" AI magical stuff in this approach. Moreover they developed Physion some years ago which uses the same approach of spliteq but with a different interface. Spliteq is a good tool and you can get good results faster but nothing you can't get with a dynamic eq, a multiband transient designer or a multiband compressor/expander.
Lweitt is nailing the marketing.
Another another EQ.
This plugin is insane. Its dynamic eq is superior than FF and the rest of EQ plugins. The amount of settings it has is amazing. Im a nerd when it comes to this stuff and I like to have as many features a plugin can get, and I think the developers got it perfect.
@@johns.7592 Yes, the dynamic engine is superior. It has way more features, it sounds just as good.
@@johns.7592 We, the Detractors of FFQ3, are quite IN of our minds. Thank you, genius :)
@@eagleflies8681 only bc it has more knobs to tweak doesn't mean it's superior for me. I often feel like with FF i turn on the dynamic option and set the db reduction i want and i get the result i was searching for. With 3 clicks and 10 secs spend. Whereas with this ie u have to tweak so many knobs to get the eq behave like the FF. So when it just takes me longer to get the same result, i prefer FF bc of the workflow and the easyness of setting up things. Why should i decide to use a plugin that takes me 40-60 secs for 1 subtle change when i can have the same result in 10 secs?
@@lennartstein3024 I used both, Pro-Q3 and Kirchhof and im being honest... Kirchhof is way better in many ways, it also has better workflow in my opinion.
dynamics eq is the best on melda plugin by far the most snappiest dyanmic eq ever made only miss the detection frequency range
used it to de-ess tonight and it worked like a charm (opted for "minimum" phase setting)
2024: Introducing "Nonlinear Kirchoff"! 😃 (well, prob not but a decent suggestion)
Can someone pls tell me how to do that flat top filter at 2:04 in Pro q 3? or basically any other EQ plugins. Thanks, I'm trying to figure it out and failing....
Seems really awesome but, having PROQ3, I will probably wait to get it.
Believe me, Kirchhoff sounds way better!
@@michaelwirth6843 That is subjective. I do like Kirchoff EQ don't get me wrong, but do your ears tell you the explicit truth? Some prefer the distortion introduced by Pro-Q 3 which you, funnily enough, can't hear or differentiate through the blind eye if you really, REALLY pay close attention. Kirchoff EQ doesn't do anything special to your sound, its a tool just like Pro-Q 3. A linear equalizer. However, its features got me after mere minutes of playing with the demo so now, im just hoping they would introduce "nonlinearity" for their "analog" filter types in some way.
If this plugin does nonlinearity with the analog EQ modes, i would choose it over Fabfilter (Pro Q3 and Volcano 3).
Best thing no iLok nonsense.
It feels like kirchoff is pro q but with much more control over the dynamic function well for me I don't like too many options I just want something that just works the eq is amazing though
I wouldn’t say proQ3 feels ancient at all. I actually think proQ is much more polished and has a better/quicker workflow!
I could not stop laughing!
Wytse, I like that British jam as the first song you demo'ed here. LoL :-P
A plug-in for your consideration: Flatline by Submission Audio. Demo version available and promises to add that high-end analog converter crunch to your masters.
I believe he already did a video on that.
Yep:
ruclips.net/video/IdGa3k2v87U/видео.html
@@austinhayman7023 Yes, he did! My bad. How did i miss it? Link: ruclips.net/video/IdGa3k2v87U/видео.html
I use the mastering-profile filtres that comes with DynOne 3 and Flatline and it sounds straight analog yet full and transparent. So much love, man! xxoooo
Flatline laimd are total BS. It's a completely generic clipper that performs exactly like any other clipper (including free ones). There is a video here on YT proving it.
Review some Tokyo Dawn Labs!!
Not modeling non linear effects is much like factory produced food with out seasoning . I am left at a loss as to why ? Has some very interesting tools as to purpose to fix some things.
Wytse, would love to see a review of the new GOLY CrossComp EQ. Especially in comparison to what Kirchoff can do.
I'm just jealous of the mic.
me 2!
Ive been using this and the SSL E eq with the global setting at Analog...is really working for me, I use this in conjunction with Acustica Audio Taupe, Sand 2, Sand 3 and SSL Fusion plugins with my analog rack and mackie mixer...on mixbus with pipeline in Studio One...........it seems to be more musical than Fab Q3 and it just matches my SSL Mastering Chain better...
If your using a Neve or SSL Mastering Chain in the DAW or Hybrid Mixing like me...
I believe this EQ is going to compliment your sound better....
Yes, what are the analog models about? Can anyone explain what its better for? If the filters are linear, maybe I don't know what they're going for...
The video is wrong. The non-linearities are modeled. You can even choose between a mix of non-linearity and linearity at a given cross fade frequency. Best of both worlds!
It's a shame that ThreeBodyTech is not more widely recognized. Beyond Kirchoff they have made virtual instruments of a REALISM to this day, unmatched in many ways, even though they are a few years old now. Such is the case of Heavier7Strings, a virtual guitar with an ultra-realistic sound... A pity that they are kind of abandoned
I'd be curious if you throw in Weiss Eq1 into this battle. Yes, less lines and not that flexible, but it should definitely compensate in filter quality and whatever comes out of the speakers.
Good contender EQ1, but EQ1's HF introduces distortion when turned too highly whereas au contraire Kirchhoff EQ does not distort no MATTER HOW high you turn up the HFs. Weiss EQ1 should only be used as colourisation additive post comp EQ like Chandler Limited Curve Bender is a colourisation additive EQ as well with different colourisation algorithms though.
@@TheReal_E.IRIZARRY I have no clue where you get your info from, but EQ1 is the cleanest eq I've ever tried, tested and sweared up by loads of hi level engineers as being the cleanest eq they've ever used. So you saying it colorises is absolute non-sense. I used it on most of my masters and it does quite the contrary.
@@CeZarMusic As the ole adage goes, "When you assume, you make __ ___ out of you and me". Ask before you jump into the fray, "genius". When I speak of colourisation, I'm saying it pumps in a nice analogue sound, not based of fake artifacts, "genius". Why do I bother articulating to charlatans is sometimes beyond my altruism. You must be a GearSlutz divestor and detractor.
big shoutout to Dan. And this EQ looks very nice, but I am struggeling, if it will be this, Eventide or if I safe up for the Fab³ Bundle
fabfilter all day!
Man....thier SSL E.....EQ...they nailed it........
Thanks a lot mr. White Sea :-) But more important than an awesome EQ … I suspect that the Danish football team will beat the dutch tonight ;-)
Bad luck 😁
@@RutgerSteenbergen :-)
It’s almost like they crammed tooo much into the UI though. My favorite plugins/gear lets me find a sound extremely quickly, but this is like selecting from menus upon menus.
Show request alternative: Chris From Airwindows v Dan Worrall celebrity deathmatch. (Undercard: Adam Neely v Beato)
MixbusTV did a great overview. Highly recommended.
Cheers everyone.
That first horn part intro reminds me of Tommy Boy music from the film.
Any chance you will make and release your own plugins some day? I'd definitely buy 😉
He will make a plugin that does nothing, raise the loudness by 1dB and sell it for 50 bucks :))
@@shogunarki1139 with screws on the gui so that users will have trouble uninstalling it lol 😂 and no gain compensation for sure
yes, and also make it look rusty
And excessive cpu use.
Why would he have the skills? That's like asking Lewis Hamilton to design and build a car because he's a good driver.
Do a Stillwell Audio Vibe EQ. Oldie, but goodie.
Man some people really like equing
"Coils and inductors"?? HAHAH
Um, are we just ignoring UVI Shade then..?
Seems very similar, but with way more filter types and the addition of deep modulation options which also make it a one stop wonderland for phasing/chorus and experimental sound design...
If memory serves, it was missing a couple important features (phase options maybe? Can't quite remember) when I tested it. It's also cheaper than this or FabFilter to begin with, plus they had a 50% off sale in January which had it going for 65 USD!...
Do we need another EQ ?
and here I said I would never buy another EQ.......Hah!
Does it features track comparisson? (Can you see overlaped frecuencies of different tracks?)
That’s what is missing. You can’t see the frequency visual of the side-chained input channel
I hate when developers can't make a decision and just throw everything at you. I like tweaking interfaces and settings but it has nothing to do with music production.
As somebody who already has the FF bundle, I’ll probably still look at getting Eventides Split EQ next. This does look & sound great though.
Snag both while you're at it. :)
Dude it's way too expensive for an EQ
Pro-Q3 has already hit the limit of what an intuitive, easy to learn & use but effective and killer EQ plugin should feature. Anything more and it descends into diminishing returns…like the Kirchhoff.
Raise you hand if you think the learning curve for DAW based recording keeps getting steeper and steeper. Who has time to: 1) understand the parameters/features of such a plugin, and 2) get enough practice with it so that it becomes a second nature part of your workflow? One thing could be said for analog gear in this case - the limitations of having just a few knobs and faders might actually work in your favor. We are so caught up in minutiae these days . . . .
Cool thing about this plugin is that it “hides” a lot of advanced features out of sight, and it works universally “out of the box”
i feel like the way my professor explained it really said it best. some sessions you’ll actually be working on music and some you’ll be experimenting with plug-ins to see how they work and how it fits into YOUR signal flow or not
the experimenting session would be followed with detailed notes on what you observered
@@itsnrv1817 ⚡⚡ I think people forget the if it sounds good it sounds good rule that makes mixing fun.
Just because these more complex things exist doesnt mean you have to use them.
This seems derivative of the Fabfilter PROQ3. I don't feel compelled to even try this one.
I still don't get it Tone boosters EQ4 has had everything in an EQ for the most part for 3 years including saturation per band.
I guess its fine. I mean, If I diddn't own FF MB and EQ, It would be nice. Although in practice, MB and EQ behaves so differently and is PROs in their fields that I doubt it. To add, FF MB don't split up the bands (like it looks) so its basically dynamic eq with MB interface
he doesnt just take a look...
he takes a **luuk**
I've been planning on buying proq3 for over a year now. I've just bought Kirchoff EQ. It's your fault. You are influential.
What shock and pop is he using?
Wooww They Literally Copied & Paste Fab Filter Pro q3 🤦😂
isnt pro q easier to use?
well I was considering getting FF Pro Q3 ... but now ... it's interesting reading through the comments as a non FF user.
The verdict 8:48
Please do a video about UAD Spark!
What eq nonlinearities do other people regularly use? For me it's the pultec trick and Siemens w295b's sparkle. Hell I don't really use the pultec much anymore.
I'd really like to hear your impression of the new Tukan plugins (JSFX - but loadable in other DAWs via the reaperscript VST-wrapper)?
(this is not meant as comment on the Kirchhoff plugins in any way)
I need some help with this - I'm trying to make sense of what the plugin is doing when using external sidechain, and I click on the Detect & Relative "Free" buttons one by one (or both). I've got a Kirchhoff EQ on a bass, and the kick is sidechained to that bass. Kirchhoff is listening to it. At this point I'm clear on why the dips are occurring based on the bass frequency activity. Where it gets foggy is not when I click "Relative", but when I Click Detect (both are SC enabled). Do you guys understand how this is working? Obviously Kirchhoff is supposed to be reacting to any signal coming from the sidechain input that occupies the regions where I have my Detect and Relative horizontal lines spread within the audio spectrum, right? In this case what's happening is that the kick is short, and the attack and release is set the same as another bell doing the same thing on a different frequency. However, in the 2nd frequency, when I switch from Relative to Detect (both have SC enabled) the dips go way out of sync, possibly a 16th out of sync! I don't think there is an increase of frequency material coming in that late from the sidechain input from the kick, if you see what I mean.
Hey Wytse, why don't you cover the Kirchhoff EQ?
You know if you covered, the Kirchhoff it would be good.
Yeah that Kirchhoff is da bestest, why don't you make a video telling me what I know so I feel good about myself!!!
LOL
Great show, I just wanted to know something about this eq, thanks !
Does the Kirchhoff EQ have a keyboard you can pull up and use to eq like pro-Q 3?
Yes
snake in the mierder oil ????