Star Trek Discovery Season 5 Episode 10 Breakdown & Review!
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- I go through the season finale for Star Trek Discovery Season 5 Episode 10 entitled "Life, Itself" give my breakdown and review including some big reveals and surprises!
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With the number of times the main deflector dish or the transporters did something we didn't know they could do for the first time to save the day and never did again, I think I can accept this spectacular and imaginative way of using the spore drive.
Made me laugh out loud when Tilly suggested hiding in the plasma, and everyone was like omg your a genius. Like it’s the go to move in trek 😂😂😂
I'm pretty sure Daniels died on Enterrpise because of too many time jumps... but I realize it's time travel, so perhaps he never dies...
I feel like the writers don't actually watch star trek. Kovich said he's actually 'agent Daniel of the USS Enterprise' the NX 01 was never a USS enterprise. It's the little attention to detail the fans pick up on.
It's an Enterprise later than Enterprise J. He didn't mean NX-01.
Actually the NX 01 was an "Enterprise". Maybe not "USS" initially because the federation was being formed at the time but it is likely that it would have become a USS designation after the formation of the federation.
I really like those far future uniforms.
Yeah! Me too....
we NEED those in the game (star trek online)
Nick, Zora’s Red Directive is to save Craft. She didn’t know it would take a thousand years before it would be completed. Agent Daniels likely sees him as pivotal or potentially pivotal a figure as Archer, Spock, Khan and Burnham. Saving Craft if it leads to an Alcor IV victory over the V’Draysh could bring the collapse of that alliance and the restoration of its predecessor the Federation. Agent Daniels likely doesn’t want any fingerprints leading back to the 32nd century Federation so Discovery ends up restored to its original 23rd century tech and look. Plausible deniability, in case the V’Draysh find it. He undoubtedly would have reclassified all knowledge about the Discovery under Red Directive secrecy to aid in that plausible deniability. FYI showrunner Michelle Paradise has said that season 6 would have been about the lead up to Zora’s mission to the 42nd century.
Why can't Zora leave after she finds Craft? Now that we hear Burnam give the orders we know it is to find Kraft.
@@Ruhnald She can. Nothing to stop her from heading home once she completed her mission. She lied to Craft that she had orders not to leave her position.
Aahhh!
I watched the last couple of seasons of this just because I’d invested so much time into it. Thank heavens it’s over. Still, it gave us Strange New Worlds and that will be back soon.
Exactly how I felt watching the last 2 seasons. I had come this far, may as well see it through. So glad it's over. By far the weakest major Trek show in existence. Sad considering how much money and time and talent they had available to them.
Burnham never left the portal. Once the Progenitor saw her hesitation at 'inheriting' the tech, she sends Burnham on nice life-long dream, to await the next suitor. Burnham is isted as missing in action, and the portal dissapears. That's how I would have ended it.
I was waiting for exactly that to happen for the last 30 minutes!!
Or squashed like a bug after the inertial dampers failed. Which means the Star Trek Universe don't need a freaking Mary Sue named Michael also we learn that Michael was Intersex (XY) all the time
this is why she got a masculine name from the beginning!
Booker Cleveland married Maul who lost La'ak or Obajuwon.
*I actually like the "Progenitors" having another creator I would called them the "Originatiors"* 😂 and then the ones that came before that the "Precursors"
how about Original Gangsters? O.G.
The alpha inseminators
The endless stack of turtles 🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢
I don't know, but it feels like many people missed the meaning of it all, paying too much attention to parts and events. In a mission a person can get lost in, she kept saying it was another test. life is a test. The next one will be with new faces and descendants of this crew. life goes on. It was the mission in itself, what they became, and what they accomplished as a whole. Did anyone understand the technology? "discovery". Life, what each of them discovered, the experiences as their mission unfolded, The building of trust and relationships, love, unity, family, our strengths and weaknesses that make us stronger, and who we are, the bonds we build together, and all the things that give meaning to life and what makes it worth living it, until the end, if there is an end.
That is what I got from it. I must admit. this was by far one of the best ones.
This should be the end of the series. No movies. No spin-offs.
Totally agree with you on that one!
kovitch part was cool
I always appreciate your honest, balanced interpretation of the episode.
Loved it. Hate that it’s over.
Why did they send Zora away? I would think that her sentience gives her rights?
Yeah that is odd
It's weird as, like West did they do just leave her in a hangar for a few decades like solitary, then send her our to a nebula? So weird
Maybe part of it is to keep Zora and the spore drive from being captured if the Federation falls which apparently Daniels knows will happen.
Probably just me, but I got a lot of "Star Wars: Ahsoka" (or the animated series Star Wars: Rebels) vibes from the portal... ala World Between Worlds, and there was a lot that still wasn't explained even with the longer finale.
Also a bit funny, and Star Trek didn't let us down in this respect (which you sort of alluded to in your breakdown/review) ... but Burnham really is "Space Jesus" isn't she? (don't get me wrong, I enjoyed all 5 seasons of Discovery ... but I cracked up when my friend first coined that phrase haha.)
Loved the show! Finally a woman of color in charge, and not just background dialog. I do agree the bridge staff needed more dialog, and input. It would have been nice to see episodes about their background history, but with only 12 episodes each season, I can see how it would be difficult, but not impossible. The short comment about the show being all about Burhnam was only partially correct, but no different from any other ST tv series.
TOS was all about Kirk, TNG all about Picard, Enerprise etc DSN had more bridge staff background than any show,
Maybe if the Discovery bridge crew was made up of mostly command staff like TNG, and TOS, the writers would have put more time and commitment into their stories
All I can say about Sinequa’s role and Discovery is “It is about time, and bring on more”
Currently Beckett Mariner is my favorite character.
I enjoyed your review!!
Kovich is Daniels?! Nice move Star Trek! Almost cried seeing Geordi’s visor and Sisko’s baseball on his office shelf. So, he’s been observing this whole time. Hmmmm.
Loved that we got to glimpse the future. It was somehow important that Book and Burnham be together. It was awesome seeing Book and Culber working together Admiral Burnham made me smile. As did Tilly being the longest serving Starfleet Academy instructor Loved Rayner sending that Breen ship off to the edge of the galaxy 😮 Of course, that will come back to haunt them if and when that ship limps its way home. I felt that it was a bit of a letdown to never meet whoever made the tech. Poor Moll didn’t get her wish and I felt that she accepted that a little too easily. That saucer separation was cool.
Overall, I found this to be a good finale. Not a great one but acceptable. Too many incidents of suspended belief , as you’ve said here, Nick.
Wait but he was from 29th century.
Spot.
On.
@@sw-gs Human in star trek could lived more than 100 years, maybe Daniels in and out of time travel and him going old and young again make him live abit longer than others?
@@sw-gsI think Daniels is from the 31st century. Apparently Future Guy was from the 28th or 29th century.
10:50 I loved the idea of a constructed galaxy over a naturally forming one. This might be the result of a Kardashev Type V civilization. A cool interpretation of it.
I would’ve told “ Michael” “let me Google binary Black holes and I will get back at cha.
WOW, I never would’ve thought of 2 “Black” holes and using the gravity to escape. Good job. Discovery would still be stuck if that was me. LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Discoverys biggest issue is always failing to deliver in finales.
The Burn was an interesting idea, but the explanation ended up being really weak. The 10C were cool, but the ending was super rushed. The Progenitor tech was a good idea, but the conflict with the Breen and the fact it was even older was weak and just not needed.
Also by sending it trought the blackhole it can end up where the progenitor found it in the first place. because Space-Time is a Continuum.
We kind of got to see the pathfinder drive in action. Looks like faster than warp in its own bubble but can go straight to warp after
It's star trek and actually all star trek shows does stuff that does not make sense its just not a star trek Discovery thing
So Discovery/Zora waited 1k years for the red directive - so how did Burnham know about Craft? Time travel shenanigans??
Daniels reveal was just 👌👌 and I truly hope we get more of this type of Trek.
Wasn't Daniels not killed in Enterprise show by Silik a Suliban?
Ok... 1st off i like Discovery. BUT i have a couple of issues with the final episode. How did Zora, Burnham, and Discovery spore drive away by themselves withut Stamits or Book to nsvigate? Also, if navigation was possible then why not have Stamits credited for his legacy? Discovery shoud have ended up in the fleet museum as an interactive exhibit under or recrew with Zora made a member of Starfleet
Zora has always reminded me of Cortana.
That was stupid for me.....
Now all of a sudden the computer is AI........
GTFOH!
too bad they never used Annabelle Wallis to play a physical form of her in even just one episode.
Disappointed they had to cobble together some mystery as to why Zora is left in her own, was expecting a noble/tragic sacrifice of discovery but nothing.
I still dont get how this ties into calypso. I just watched calypso and Zora said she was waiting for her crew for over 1000 years. So are we saying that Michael Burnham is over a 1000 years old at the end of Discovery ? Or does Calypso take place after Discovery ?
@@anthonygordon9483 technically speaking Burnham is over 1000 years old by the time she landed in the 32nd century, but it's most likely the latter option and that Calypso takes place 1000 years after Discovery Season 5
@@anthonygordon9483 Calypso takes place after Discovery. Thats what 'old' Burnam was doing, taking Discovery/Zora off to wait.
@@midniteoyl8913 Yeah I was just a little confused because in that episode, Zora said she was waiting on her crew to return and said she has been waiting for 1000 years. If Micheal was living her life raising her family the entire time, she should be dead by the time Calypso started.
Didn’t see the episode or any this season. I do plan on buying it on DVD.
I had hoped Owo and Detmer would show up at the final battle with the recently acquired ISS Enterprise.
I don’t love the instant technology and triple taps of the 32nd century.
The bridge has always been too dark for me.
I have enjoyed the looks at aliens who serve in Starfleet that Discovery has afforded as well as peeks at earlier eras of Starfleet history.
Thanks for the videos.
See you “Out There”!
The gates in the Progenitor’s portal that lead to different sceneries and environments Burnham called “labs”, could actually be jump gates and those “labs” could actually be real planets, not just labs mimicking planets. It seems to me a bit silly to design life for a specific environment and then go search the entire galaxy for a planet with such an environment. So maybe this portal contains jump gates connecting to places all over the galaxy, jump gates leading to many, maybe even to all, planets in the galaxy.
The Finale was both satisfying but underwhelming, I liked the wrap up for the arc with the Progenitors, i liked the Nostolgia references to Sisko's Baseball, Geordie's visor and Picard's wine but the big reveal that Kovich was agent Daniels, I had a sneaky feeling they would add him in with the way everything was pointing out, the temporal wars mentioned in season 3, Archer spacedock reveal in season 4, think it was always going to be the case we was going to run into him and got it in the form of Kovich which would make sense to give him a code name due to the temporal accords, overall loved that, my main critique about this tho has been the way the cast has been overlooked and hardly any closure, was nice to see Saru and T'Rina get married and Saru also being promoted to Admiral, but would have been nice to see what happend to the rest of them, lets just hope we get that in any spin offs they do, Burnham's arc was an amazing wrap up on her character from Mutineer to Hero, getting to see her life fulfilled.
The ending of it all, i liked but was underwhelmed again, it was nice that they tied it into calypso and everything but it would have been to know what that directive was and why Discovery/Zora was picked for it would have made not only the ending a bit more satisfying but also would have wrapped up more info on the Calypso mini episode.
was nice to see discovery back in her original design for one final time
Now I do this there are still stories they could tell, those red directive missions, but i think that will more then likely come in the form of books and potenial spin off cameos and maybe just maybe a film that being in TV form or hitting the big screen but overall a good ending just could have been so much better.
overall for me season 5, was an improvement on season 4 and i feel it had the right balance in the end just a shame its came too little too late to carry on Discovery for another season or two.
Overall for me star trek discovery while it may not have been the finest of star trek shows ever produced and not the best in the modern era
it certainly helped and paved the way for even more star trek
plus it will hold some sentimental value due to personal reasons but lets just say watching star trek discovery and kept me from dark paths so for that i fully thank it
big thanks to everyone involved on the show
from the current cast to previous cast, will be a shame to see them all go but one can hope they may return at some point or in some fashion
Discovery its been a pleasure and been "Fascinating"
so for the final time let's fly and i shall leave my rank of what seasons i enjoyed the most to least favourite
1.Season 2
2.Season 3
3.Season 5
4.Season 1
5.Season 4
Live long and prosper
Is it bad I was hoping Kovich was Sisko when I saw the baseball? lol
For me it’s S2>S1>S5>S3 followed by a whole lot of nothing and then S4.
I think Burnham was told that the Red Directive is to save someone or something named Craft in the distant future. That’s the info she gave Zora. Discovery had to be at those precise coordinates in order to pull off that rescue. And remain undetected. The ship was restored back to what it looked like in the 23rd century to give the 32nd/33rd century Federation and Daniels/Kovich plausible deniability, I think. Somehow, he was told or found out or just believed that Craft was someone who could be as pivotal to galactic history as Archer, Spock, Khan or Burnham. Either Craft himself or his descendants. Maybe his continued presence results in an Alcor IV victory over the V’Draysh, causing its collapse and the rebirth of the Federation. If that’s the intent, then Agent Daniels/Kovich would be literally playing the long game. Why Zora and the Discovery for the mission? Because she was a sentient AI with access to all the knowledge of the Sphere Data and it was simply easier to revert Disco to it’s original 23rd century configuration than it would be to modify one of the other Starfleet ships, which would all likely have the Pathway drive installed.
For me it's S2, S1, S5, S4, S3...
I thought your thoughtful response needed a response.
I think the Moll turned out just to be an idiot. She fires at the Breen even though they are allies. She fights with Burnham and then makes up and then fights again for no reason.
I think Burnham's reason for rejecting the tech was irrelevant. Either we had a lot of diversity or we didn't but I think the argument was that this tech to create life was what, important? It wasn't about if there was enough or not enough diversity.
I didn't like the series finale ( or the series for that matter), but I did like what you appear to dislike the most. They were severely outnumbered, so wiping out all the enemy ships at once was tactically good and efficient, giving more time for story and relationships. And I thought separating the saucer was an ingenious solution. I love any solution that involves quantum entanglement.
I think was a good ideea to go back before the Progenitors, makes everything more relatable to the school of thinking from the present days - life on Earth was altered by an alien species, but they were not the...originals. Before them was someone else, maybe a Creator etc etc. These Progenitors couldn't be The Creator, is too easy.
It didn't make sense to abandon voyager in deep space at the end. Putting it into a museum would be something star fleet would have done
But Daniels was still working. And he had the perfect tool in Zora and Disovery, no bloody A.
@@ArtistryBransonwas Daniels not killed by Silik a Suliban in the Enterprise show?
It's a ship with the only spore drive. Museum would not make sense.
Note that Dr. Derex left the station and went to live out the rest of her life in that library.
It was just okay. SO what happened with the Breen? Did they just go home because Saru told them to?
Kind of. It was suspect the breen with the 3 dreadnots has hidden base and a lot of other enemys. And it looks like this guess was right. "Go home or we tell everyone"
Sara Mitich! She played Cmdr. Airiam in the first season then Lt. Nillson later. Too bad she wasn't in this season.
She was off doing multiple movies. But it’s a shame that they weren’t able to get her back for that finale reshoot scene with Burnham and her Disco family, including Owo, Detmer and Bryce. Nilsson should really have been there, too.
I think Burnham trusting Mol in the portal was stereotypical Burnham. She always seemed to give her trust to people who would wind up causing her grief. Lorca, Georgiou, Book. Seems on brand for her.
Georgiou shouldn’t be on that list. Saving the Emperor was a case of Burnham not wanting to see another Philippa Georgiou die right in front of her again. Michael never really trusted her.
What about the Federation 's Genesis Project? 😉 Starfleet has been capable of creating life even before the 31st century (Star Trek 2, Star Trek 3)
Really interesting series finale, is the Captain taking the Discovery back to her original time period.
I don't think so.
I wish this had been written better from the get go.
I knew it I knew and I knew it! isaid it here like five or six weeks ago about Kovich he was in diferente time-line but never expected to be agent Daniel
Better Daniels than Control.
Was that bone pistol in Kovich's collection from eXistenZ?
Ya there was not a lot of character build on the rest of the crew for this series. Traditionally, star trek series spend a great deal of time developing the entire main crew and even dedicating a lot of episodes to various other crew members.
“Follow the Progenitor road” 🎵😉
This was utterly disappointing. I know they had to go back and reshoot to wrap it up but this sucked arse. And I have defended Discovery from day 1. The way they dismissed the whole season arc, Progenitors tech, Laak was shocking. Mol is suddenly a good guy. Even after betraying Micahel. The rewatchability of the show is zero for me. Shame for the actors but they show runner and writers should never be near Star Trek again. Rant over.
What about something like the treatment of Adira? It seems like they relegated them to technobabble and a Wesley Crusher type character. Why did they do that?
Did Burnham really say that we had enough diversity?
The show was just fine sir
I disagree with the apparent selling of Paramount + they had to wrap up the show. I cried at the end, and no matter what, I will always LOVE Star Trek. Burnham was wonderful for women and especially women of color. I just loved Saru, and I wish we had more of Rayner. How refreshing. Hope to see them again in future shows. It is disappointing to see them go this way, but they had to go... 😔
I'm compelled to agree. It was a giant cop- out. Why not bring back Laak anyway as a clone? Test it out, at least Moll and Laak could reunite. No explanation on the Breen after all.
@@nadiagreenidge797yes she was so wonderful, started a huge battle, tausend of people died, gets fired…gets a new position in one episode.
This was not Star Trek, it was a bad sci-fi show with Star Trek skin
Hi Nick, Thank you for all your reviews, across the different Trek shows. As a video producer and editor I appreciate the time and effort you put into creating content. You deserve to have many more subscribers and likes. I think that the way the bridge crew has been underdeveloped and overlooked has been very poor, particularly in the last few seasons. It seemed so appropriate that Michael Burnham was on her own at the end of the finale. It was a mediocre ending, but I didn't have high expectations given the season as a whole.
Hey.
Have you read 'All Our Wrong Tomorrows'; and/or 'Dark Matter'? I genuinely believe these new Treks borrow concepts from these books...which is fine by me because they are great!!!
I think the final moments should have been Discovery being placed in the Starfleet museum. They could have shown the newly rendered Enterprise J. The Altair class, and maybe a few others to bridge the gap. Being in a museum, the ships would have survived the burn because their warp cores would not have been active.
Starfleet would not put the only spore drive ship in a museum.
@@robertemard9452 why not? It's useless unless your DNA has been altered to use it like Stamets. The new prototype drive was destroyed thanks to Book, which is why Starfleet abandoned the tech and went with the Pathway drive.
I wonder if ties into section 31
Agent Daniels of the "USS ENTERPRISE J* not NX01!
I think its a later Enterprise if Daniels is assigned to it in hos time. Ent. J is in his past.
I was disappointed that we didn’t see any Klingon in the 32nd century. Are they a part of the federation etc?
The saucer separating from the rest of the ship is not really new. Almost every starship had that ability - and was shown graphically in the last movie. Klingon Birds of Prey could separate the command module from the rest of the ship (and crew) in emergencies.
So, since Michael spored away, does this explain why the spore drive isn't around in the future?
Starfleet chose to use the Pathway drive instead of adopting the spore drive.
I never watched the show but they did say that in this episode....
Do they ever use it?
Or is it something they have to get,?
@@PhillipLemmon If you mean the Pathway drive, Saru’s shuttle used it to get to the Breen fleet.
How is Discovery able to jump without Stammetts on board? Is he there?
@@Ruhnald Extremely likely.
Thank goodness it’s over. At least it led to Strange New Worlds.
My thoughts exactly, Discovery is terrible. I pretend it doesn’t exist.
all in all, it was epic and the great cgi really enhanced everything, especially in the last season where they meet aliens
Wibble!!!! XD
Just once Id love to have the chance to actuality have the opportunity for serious discourse. Give the heart a chance
Just watched the finale episode. I agree with your comments but I find your delivery to be too kind, or maybe that's just you😂. It felt like half the episode was saying goodbye (seemingly glad goodbyes coz no tears in evidence - it's like everyone's happy it's over). The progenitors where brought back but didn't take center stage. They were also diminished. They weren't "progenitors" after all. They're more like "preservers". So, what was the point of it all? Expectedly, (I wonder who didn't expect it) Michael Burnham won the challenge, despite the predictable and flawed weak character of Moll (pls. the name?) as competitor, and, of course, didn't take the reward. The common "it's too dangerous" cop out was speechified. Then, after a brief, "we're gonna keep this secret" session the tech-whatever it was coz it was never shown-was dumped in the blackhole. Now, that's not logical! Burnham ALONE learned all the stuff revealed by the progenitor, the logical thing to do, since she concluded that the secret is too dangerous for anyone to control, is to tell a white lie then proceed to dump the portal in the black hole cause that too is dangerous. Then the long goodbyes begin with smatterings of easter eggs and long standing characters who were not seen in any part of the episode appear suddenly to get a hug from Burnham. And, some reveals, w/c are nice but have nothing to do w/ the story. The proper term overall is indeed "disatisfying" (honestly, it could apply to the entire season. Rainer was the only thing relatively good in the whole arc and yet, he "magically" (like that term you used) appeared in the story. That scene of the starships diving saucer sections first into the sand of a planet would make a good epitaph. Goodbye, indeed. I feel like you won't be missed!'
so does Burnham just die on the ship or what? having a hard time figuring what possible in-universe explanation there would be for the de-re-fit to fit in with a Short Trek.
I believe Burnham and other implied crew members depart after that via shuttle.
Did anybody else think that the older Burnham looked a little like Oprah Winfrey? 😆
Nope.
Not sure how much of this is the director's choice, but the constant spinning and spinning of the camera really took away from some otherwise great exterior space scenes. They went heavy CGI with this episode and it was all done very well, but the spinning and rotating was a bit overboard.
I also think that destroying the Breen fighters with plasma and sending the Dreadnaught to the far side of the galaxy was probably a part of the rewrite/reshoot that occurred after it was announced that Discovery was getting cancelled.
I now think that the rewrite/reshoot only involved the scenes after Saru’s wedding. Not sure that Saru’s promotion to admiral or the Burnham and Book beach scene would have happened regardless of the series cancellation. Destroying the Breen fighters with plasma and sending the Dreadnaught to the Galactic Barrier sounds like something always intended to be the climax of the season and not a reshoot.
I was shock to know that Kovich is Daniel's, this revelation makes me expect that "Trip" Tucker would suddenly makes an appearance.
Also, I'm surprised that L'ak wasn't revived, in previous season they figured out how to revived both Gray and Book. Even in Picard they figured out how to revived both Picard and Data.
P.S.
The wedding is my favorite part of this episode.
What's the episode name from is the "CRAFT" referenced from?
It's a short trek called Calypso...
So lok was just left dead ? They totally dropped him from this ep
Random but what was the pathway drive supposed to be / do, just looked like warp
Lol yeah I think it was something they just said like words. Cuz they NEVER used it... Lol
@@PhillipLemmon a big fuss about it being installed on the shuttle but then no visual impact at all, wasn’t it supposed to be that instant travel portal thing the Vulcans worked on ? I’m so confused
@@JohnWayne119 you ain't the only one dude, lol
It's a Sci-Fi how many times do you have to hear it it's fiction it doesn't have to be science it doesn't have to be based on reality because its sci-fi, and it's cool. I love Next Generation I love the fact that Discovery can detect its hole don't write on My Parade cuz you dislike this show so much and why are you even if you don't like this show
If there's not science in it, at least somewhat possible science, it's not SCIENCE fiction. It may be good in other ways, but that's part of the actual definition.
Okay so it is over. It is NuTrek so I guess it was good. A few things always got under my skin.
1. In Discovery and Strange New Worlds why are things so freaking big? Disco’s bridge was like a fricken meeting hall!
I know the ship is larger than what was the biggest and most advanced Constitution class but the bridge was just too big. Hey but at least they fixed the issue by taking them to the future.
2. One thing I also never understood was the familiarity between the captain and the crew. Every time Captain Burnham sees Saru they hug? She hugged many of them while on duty. Archer,Kirk,Picard,Sisco, Janeway never had hugs with their crew.
3. I know that Disco was a different kind of Trek but could Captain Burnham ever give her crew missions to do? I thought that a first officer’s job was to protect the Captain? Not on Discovery! Captain Burnham leaves the bridge and throws her life on the line again and again. I would have loved to see some of her bridge crew get a mission and some work. We never got to know any of them.
The good Captain had an interesting story. She was a decommissioned officer and worked her way through hundreds of years and back into the captain’s chair. She has done more than any Starfleet Captain ever will do.
Now maybe the Section 31 movie will be decent.
The first officer going on away missions instead of the captain was a TNG and Lower Decks kind of thing. Captains like Archer, Pike, Georgiou, Kirk, Sisko, and Janeway always led from the front and didn’t let their first officers stop them from what they wanted to do. The Disco regular bridge officers who never went on missions were Nilsson, Linus, Osnullus, Christopher, Gallo, Asha, Naya and Jemison. Saru, Rhys, Detmer, Owosekun, Bryce, Tilly and Airiam have all gone on missions, if I recall correctly. Burnham wasn’t a hugger when she was first officer of the Shenzhou or during her early days on the Discovery. She was still in her Vulcan stoic phase. Blame the hugging on having Tilly, a constant hugger who wears her emotions on her sleeve, as her roommate. And I doubt that the bridges on the Disco and Pike’s Enterprise are that much bigger than the one on the Enterprise-D.
@@thomashong2938Okay I can accept that. But I don’t know what you are watching because the Disco bridge is HUGE compared to all the 1701s and every other older ship! Look at the space between the pilot and the Ops. And just look at a wide shot from the view screen and compare it to the same shot from any other ship. Disco is much bigger.
too bad they never used Annabelle Wallis to play a physical form of Zora in even just one episode.
I'm in the the minority, obviously. I enjoyed it.
I did too! I feel like Disco has never gotten to be just enjoyed by people. When it’s emotional, it’s too emotional, when there’s action, it’s too much action…
I did, too. I noticed things that were a bit off, like Daniels mis-naming the NX01 Enterprise as a "USS" designation. But I also overlooked it so it wouldn't take me out of an otherwise rather good story.
He wasn't referring to the NX-01, its a future Enterprise.
@Ruhnald where he went by Daniels?
Well he could have been posing as anyone or been the Daniels on the Enterprise E, but he originated from a time before Burnham's arrival 900 years from Archer so seems like he would have been assigned to an Enterprise in the K-L range,
Great Episode Nick!! Keep up the great work mate!!
im bawling at Zora not gonna meet the crew ever again huhuhuhuhu... she understood that it is the end of the road for them and she has to move on too
Zora hadn’t seen the crew in a long time before this final goodbye.
Doesn’t she contain the sphere data which is so precious ???
Well it's just a TV show, But the writers convinced us that Zora was sentient. And then they just leave her on the ship for eternity? That is horrific. It should have taken her program and put it in a box and put it in the new ship with all the crew. That's what they did to TNG's Moriarty, And we think that is what happened to the doctor in Voyager.
I think the writers were pressed for time and this whole script could have gone through many rewrites.
@@AnnoyingCritic-is7rp Burnham and Zora didn’t know that the Red Directive mission would take a thousand years. Maybe a century or two, at the most. Maybe just a few decades. FYI showrunner Michelle Paradise is saying that season 6 would have been about the lead up to Zora’s Craft rescue mission in the 42nd century. Even if she had known it would take a thousand years to complete the mission, Zora would have done it anyway if she had been told that it would have the same impact on the galaxy and the Federation as the 930-year time jump that Burnham and Disco took.
Glad it’s over. Looking forward for anything new
Well you'll see tilly in the new show "starfleet academy"
Lol
@@PhillipLemmon well I didn’t like her at first but her character grew on me. I also wish they would’ve explored the other characters a bit more. The helmsmen for example
Makes perfect as the saucer section as the one section that spins drive
Loved, he is a doctor, not a physicist ....
I feel like Kovich being Daniels was a bit of fan service as it is a theory that some were positing over the last couple of seasons and they likely threw it in as a gimme as part of the re-records. Having not seen the Short Treks the ending was quite confusing... and how messed up is it they are sending Zora, a sentient being off the sit in a nebula for a thousand years alone!!!! Seems quite nasty. On the whole it feels like she was one of the characters that was left out of the show for the last season and a half.
The Red Directive mission is to sit for a thousand years at those co-ordinates so that Craft could be saved from his deteriorating escape pod. In Daniels eyes, Craft must have the same importance to galactic history as Archer, Spock, Khan and Burnham. Reverting the Discovery to its original 23rd century configuration gives Daniels and the 32nd century Federation plausible deniability, especially if all knowledge of the Discovery gets reclassified under Red Directive secrecy. An Alcor IV victory over the V’Draysh might lead to its collapse and the restoration of its predecessor the Federation.
It took them until the end of a pathetic last ep. of season#5 to finally realize they don't need anyone to fly this ship.
Ah yes, we have an advanced AI to do all this, nobody needs to wait for a whispering captains "evasive manoeuvres"-command. We could always reroute auxilliary.... omg.
5 full seasons and nobody thought of giving their superstar an actual voice ?
The last few scenes with this way too much lipstick were cruel. What was that about ?
Great cgi some say? 2 fighting girls in an average forest using a magenta filter, now that is advanced cgi!
On the bridge, unrelated flames popping out here and there, someone had "fun" with flamethrowers - ya, great cgi it is.
Star Trek discovery have always been bad when delivering its main plot line, the previous seasons all had been just weak conclusions that really don't make sense. This season is probably the slightly better among those. They just keep using Michael way too much and hell the final episode she owned the whole screen, might as well be called Star Trek Burnham. The other characters which could have been interesting with their characterization were just fighting just to get some reasonably spotlight. Moll conclusion the end really don't make sense for her character. Seriously when Michael woke her up after she had been electrocuted and told her that nothing could be done for L'ak she just accepted it like that LOL. Throughout the entire season she was willing to do anything for L'ak not caring much all about the consequences and suddenly say to her no she accepted it and now ok with everything. No she would have claim the tech herself and even if it kills her find a way to bring L'ak back.
I will always put Strange New Worlds as the current standard for our modern day Trek and Discovery just isn't making it at all. They keep using galaxy ending plot with little to no payout at the end really lets down the series.
I loved it and was very sad at the same time. I really like seeing the original discovery, which I still think looked the best. I will miss this show, a great deal, with the way too short seasons. Discovery was a very fresh take on Star Trek, which is really needed. I think it is among my top 3 trek shows, with Enterprise being #1 by a long shot, Voyager #2 maybe closer to Enterprise's #1 than I thought, and Discovery #3. ...And yes, I watched all the Trek since the 1960s.
I’ve watched Trek since the early 70s and I agree with what you posted. My top Trek shows are Discovery, The Next Generation, Strange New Worlds, Picard and Voyager, in that order. #1 and #2 have a firm grip on their spots while #3, #4 and #5 are in flux. I have a strong dislike for the cheap-looking bridge on Archer’s ship and for the Riker holodeck series finale. The Voyager pilot scene with Commander Cavit running in a panic toward his electrocution was bizarre and not easily forgotten or forgiven. Neither is never giving Harry Kim a promotion for the entire series run. Love Strange New Worlds, but Pike and his bridge crew don’t seem as alert or as efficient and quick thinking as their Disco and Enterprise-D counterparts. Pike was at his best as acting captain of the Discovery. DS9? Can’t forgive the show for blowing up the Galaxy-class Odyssey. I feel that it was out of spite for TNG, Gene Roddenberry and their writing counterparts on that show. TOS? Like classic Doctor Who, looking antiquated these days, especially Kirk giving soliloquies like he was on a Shakespearean stage and those beehive hairdos and female officers wearing skirts.
@@thomashong2938 Now I especially likes the Enterprise bridge. It kind of reminded me of a submarine. I liked the "crudeness" of it. I also like that they had to think their way out of a problem (Archer's best thinking was with his back turned towards the crew - lol). In TNG, they are going to die until the last 5 minutes when Jordy thinks to reverse the polarity of the chronotrons inside the Heisenberg compensators. They they all smile and fly off in to the starset (That really is the lasting impression I have of TNG. There are exceptions with some really good episodes, but they used too much "magic"). Poor Voyage had to be the ship of Theseus by the time it returned to the Alpha Quadrant. I still think it had the best writing and stories of all of Trek. DS9 had good writing too. It's had to rank the shows, it really is: #1 Enterprise, #2: Voyager, #3: DS9, #4: Discovery, #5: Lower Decks, #6: SNW, #7: Picard, #8: TNG, #9: Prodigy, #10: TOS (it really can be hard to watch these days, but it gave us all the other Trek, so you have to still love it), #11: TAS. I am probably missing one or two? Any of those shows can turn to my #1 on any given day - lol. I WILL MISS DOSCOVERY GREATLY.
I love this season and finale! I think it was one of the best seasons of Discovery. I didn’t need another huge battle at the finale, this season was more cerebral than action packed and I loved it.
I felt sad for Discovery/Zora being taken and left alone somewhere.
Bit harsh in places, Nick! Always best to remember we arent watching a documentary and if the ship needs to separate and magic a spore drive bubble around the deardnought..... well it can!
A bit of a mystery why Detma and Owo disappeared - and I was getting just a bit fed up with their replacements who'se only acting contribution to the series was to glance at each other whenever an order was given... they did that a LOT.
I agree that there was no need to reset the ship back to old tech and specifically reference Calypso - for many they wouldnt have seen the short trek anyway and wonder what the hell that was all about. it could have been easily swept under the carpet as another alternate timeline... no need to address it at all.
I thought that we were travelling with Burnhams son for the launch of the all new Discovery D which he was going to captain... alas not.
Also... Zora... what a terrifying end for her - they were taking her out and abandoning her to go mad - I thought they had more respect for her 'life' than that.
Reset the ship back to old tech was to give the 32nd century Federation plausible deniability in case the ship was found by the V’Draysh. Likely, knowledge of Discovery’s existence would have been reclassified under Red Directive secrecy. Zora’s Red Directive mission is to rescue someone or something called Craft. Daniels likely sees Craft as someone as pivotal or potentially pivotal a historical figure as Archer, Spock, Khan and Burnham. An Alcor IV defeat of the V’Draysh might lead to its collapse and the restoration of its predecessor the Federation. If that’s Daniels intent, then he’s literally playing the long game this time.
I don't see why it matters if Disco is retro- retrofitted. Its still a Federation starship.
It just feels like an awful ending for Zora. Discovery should be in a fleet museum and not abandoned in some nebula just to satisfy a Short Trek. Was this really the best idea out of the writers room??
THANK YOU! Terrible ending for the ship just for a Short Trek which could’ve easily been explained away as an alternate timeline.
Left a sentient being lying in a hangar for years then left her in a nebula for longer. Like just makes no star trek sense
I'm not going to pass judgement on this series. TOS was reviewed as a failure TV series back in the late sixties. NOW, TOS is a classic TV series that created the Star Trek Series of movies and other TV series. Discovery could have the same effect for future generations to come.
People hated the Star Wars prequel trilogy. Now, those three films look like cinematic masterpieces compared to the sequel trilogy.
You sell it all to easily . Do some serious investigation of cosmology . Take a bit of Star Gate universe blend in a bit of Nobel prize and there you have it. I would truly love to discuss this with you . I've followed you for years now and typically you are spot on.
Just my personal gripe but I really dont like the choice to demystify the Breen. They could have used any existing aliens with an imperial society and infighting. The same plot could have even worked with the Orions or even the Andorians.
Instead of spending so much time on new breen politics that didn't matter, they could have let the breen remain unknown and unknowable. They didn't even resolve the breen plot.
It's similar to how VOY demystified and overused the Borg.
While I'd normally agree with you how the answer to problem was too easy, this time about the spore drive you have to honestly ask yourself, you can believe in the spore drive, but you can't believe that they can't use that same technology to jump something else the exact same way? Just something to think about. Kind of sort of like when somebody jumps on somebody being transported away (Kirk and that woman in Star Trek 4), they're transported too. Now, I think they should have had Discovery jump with the Breen ship, then have the saucer section and drive section rejoin and jump back. That would have made it easier to believe, possibly?
Now that you mention it that made no sense. Wouldn't the parts of Discovery have jumped with the Breen. Then it could reassemble and jump back.
Totally agree with your review, it was all too easy! I did not think much of the ending. Did not really like how they rapped it up. I know they had to do some reshoots because it was cancelled but I thought it was very poor Ending.
Imperfect, but a decent finale to a decent show. Great performances from the cast, sometimes despite the scripts they were given. I enjoyed it and have no regrets about watching it, but I am looking forward to the other ST series and what they have in store for us. Long live all iterations of Star Trek!
Thank God its over. I remember when it all began in 2017 with Captain Lorca and the Klingons and just watched in horror as it descended into this. I really hope that Strange new Worlds doesn't end up like this.
I second that!
In retrospect, that crew hug scene should have been the last scene...Burnham is surprised when the entire older crew comes on the bridge to join her and Zora on that last ride...
Bit disappointed. The whole crew should have physically been there for discovery send off and not just a fleeting memory, but hey ho still not a bad ending if not for that part and Burnham away to drop the ship off somewhere with a poor explanation that the ship has to sit in a nebula until someone turns up lol. Daniels was a nice touch though.
Great review as always :)
Not just a random someone. Craft. Agent Daniels AKA Kovich must consider him as important to galactic history as Archer was. If Discovery hadn’t been there to rescue Craft from his failing escape pod, he would have died. Maybe he ends up leading Alcor IV’s rebellion against the V’Draysh and wins the war, causing the collapse of the V’Draysh and the revival of the Federation. Just like the arrival of the Discovery and Michael Burnham into the 32nd century ended up solving the mystery of the Burn, caused the defeat of the Emerald Chain and brought the Federation almost back from the dead.
By the way, this episode put a tear in my cheeks at the end 😢
Same,as soon what the Burnham saw her friends(family)from the Discovery crew,I have a same feel.
This really made me emotional and I almost cried😥😥.
But otherwise the final episode was really awesome 👍✌️🎉
Me, too. Me, too.😢🖖
Yeah it was really awful lol
Great show! Great ending!
SO Moll just lives happily ever after and doesn't face numerous murder charges?
Well, the Federation doesn’t know about any murders other than Fred the Data-like android. And Burnham doesn’t know whether it was Moll or L’ak who committed that killing and if it was self-defence. She would have no knowledge on how Primarch Ruhn ended up dead or that Moll and L’ak got rid of the trader who gave them the time bug. And Burnham isn’t going to shed any tears for the Breen that Moll shot right in front of her.
In my opinion the finale was spectacular. One of the best Star Trek finales.
Agreed with you
Wow really? Imho it is only better than Enterprise’s finale. Voyager, DS9 and TNG all had huge whoppers of series finales. Those finales had way more depth plot wise and a lot of surprises. This finale was mostly a collage of emotional moments after the problems were solved way too easily.
The Daniels connection was a nice nod and closure to Enterprise. As much as Raymer grew on me, I did wish Prime or Mirror Lorca came back as her new commanding officer to make this series full circle ⭕️ but Strange New Worlds might be a place for that too.
Nothing left of Mirror Lorca to make a comeback. How would Prime Lorca end up in the 32nd century?
Les 3 dernières saisons, les scénaristes ont plutôt biaisé les histoires, et cela manque de cohérence. Le dernier épisode , m'a interpellé sur la série. En faite, a la différence des autres franchises. D'habitude, on voit l'histoire d'un vaisseau avec un capitaine à son bord. Mais celle du Discovery, c'est plutôt l'histoire d'une évolution personnelle de Burnham. 1er personnage qui n'est pas capitaine au début de la série