Dragon Age: Origins - Part 15 - A Rock And A Hard Place

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  • @AdMerIin
    @AdMerIin 3 года назад +430

    I didn't even realize you could fail against that Desire Demon that way and I've got 200 hours in Origins. Congrats Jon, you're delivering never before seen results

    • @salasy
      @salasy 3 года назад +9

      I actually only knew about that outcome because I was messing a lot with the keep to get a good background for inquisition

    • @polygondwanaland8390
      @polygondwanaland8390 3 года назад +74

      Many a True '"Died to Deadeye Duncan" Nerd

    • @martanowicka3340
      @martanowicka3340 3 года назад +2

      Exactly! I had no idea you can do that! My first playthrough I couldn't resque a girl. But once I learned, what to do, I never tried anything else :)

    • @kc12311
      @kc12311 3 года назад +31

      A couple of episodes ago I said the girl was doomed. Well, she probably still is, but not for the reason I originally thought...

    • @agrippa2012
      @agrippa2012 3 года назад +1

      Am i seeing a super best friends/yakuza reference?

  • @evilbob840
    @evilbob840 3 года назад +99

    I don't know if Wilhelm's last words were "Golem, stop crushing my head!", but I do know what his death scream sounded like.

    • @cochemoche
      @cochemoche 3 года назад

      That's right!! Except Jon kept saying Wilheim I think

    • @CH-ml4rz
      @CH-ml4rz 3 года назад +2

      Headcanon from now on

  • @Aleswall
    @Aleswall 3 года назад +161

    I love the transition from begging for episodes for a healer, getting a healer, and then immediately abandoning the healer.

    • @dontmisunderstand6041
      @dontmisunderstand6041 3 года назад +5

      Well, healing is not a viable strategy in this game. Conceptually it makes sense that it'd work, but in reality the combat of the game is so heavily favoring offense that sacrificing a party member for it just doesn't work. Especially since a few gold provides hundreds of potions, which are far superior to anything a healer can do.

    • @Sanvone
      @Sanvone 3 года назад +5

      @@dontmisunderstand6041 Yea. It is easier to make functioning damage oriented team rather than turtling. It is possible to use healing and tanking but it requires deep knowledge of items and encounters to be up to par. That said Wynne is excelent candidate for Haste buff for your whole warrior/rogue lineup (+20% attack speed and movement speed; stackable with others). By spending 2 more talent point she can also unlock either Frost or Fire weapons.

    • @deeh6564
      @deeh6564 3 года назад +2

      I run double mage, double rogue. Wynne for healing and Primal, Morrigan for Entropy and Spirit, Leliana for bard support and range, me with dual wield. Granted I don't play on extreme difficulties but I haven't needed a tank. Good offense and if things go south my spirit healer can revive and clear injuries.

    • @Aleswall
      @Aleswall 3 года назад

      @@dontmisunderstand6041 I knew that was the case before he picked one up, I just find the transition funny to note.

    • @LadoTsulukidze
      @LadoTsulukidze 3 года назад

      @@deeh6564 But you can't bring Morrigan to Flemeth

  • @davidthomason788
    @davidthomason788 3 года назад +185

    Jon: You can't negotiate with demons
    Also Jon: Let the negotiations begin

  • @aerialmacaroon6312
    @aerialmacaroon6312 3 года назад +146

    The fact he brought three warriors as backup on his first fight with flemeth amuses me

    • @ewan121
      @ewan121 3 года назад +27

      It troubles me that he thought magic was a bad counter for magic.

    • @aerialmacaroon6312
      @aerialmacaroon6312 3 года назад +6

      @@ewan121 this series will get even more interesting I promise

    • @ewan121
      @ewan121 3 года назад +9

      @@aerialmacaroon6312 oh I am well aware. I know this game, and I know jon.... After seeing his attitude towards blood mages, I can only hope he plays the second one as well

    • @aerialmacaroon6312
      @aerialmacaroon6312 3 года назад +3

      @@ewan121 indeed I want to see his opinion on the companions in 2

    • @martanowicka3340
      @martanowicka3340 3 года назад +2

      Yes! I was never able to win that fight without a mage with a con of cold, blocking her movement turn after turn. And then healing others.

  • @We_Are_Exodus
    @We_Are_Exodus 3 года назад +267

    Man I didn't even know you could mess up with the Desire Demon like that and I've had countless playthroughs of Origins.
    Then again I'd never seen anyone lose to Dead-Eye Duncan before either.

    • @benk50000
      @benk50000 3 года назад +11

      Worst part of what happened with the demon is that if you don't kill it you miss one of the best helmets in the game.

    • @ViccVegaa023
      @ViccVegaa023 3 года назад +2

      What? How did he manage that? Did he forget to equip weapons or something?

    • @Bubbles99718
      @Bubbles99718 3 года назад +3

      @@benk50000 1 of? Try the best.
      Oh well. Live and learn. I still occasionally blow Lilianna's quest among other things

    • @benk50000
      @benk50000 3 года назад +2

      @@Bubbles99718 Cailan's helm is defiantly better. The set bonus from Cailan's armor is stupid strong. Also, Cailan's helm can be acquired at tiers 5-7, while Helm of Honnleath is always tier 2. I would also say some of the other helms from other armor sets are better as well just because of their higher armor rating and allowing you to get set bonuses.

    • @brad7504
      @brad7504 2 года назад +1

      It never occurred to me that I could just leave that room and run back to the father. I figured it was either do to the puzzle now or kill the thing and lose the girl.

  • @Silverhawk100
    @Silverhawk100 3 года назад +66

    Cat possesses father, Morrigan approves +7.
    Given Jon's enthusiasm for Shale, I cannot wait for Orzammar. It should be wonderful to watch. No matter the outcome.
    That encounter with Flemeth was A+. Well edited and everything.

    • @Bubbles99718
      @Bubbles99718 3 года назад

      That seductress is truly evil yet I fall for her every time.

    • @volourn9764
      @volourn9764 Год назад

      Hates templats fir them imprisoning mages.. supports demons who enslave loving fathers...

  • @JhenMaster
    @JhenMaster 3 года назад +40

    Jon: *Hears the Golem tempered, articulate voice*
    Jon: "Can I romance him?! I want to romance him!"

    • @chupathingy6626
      @chupathingy6626 Год назад +2

      Little did John know at this point, that would have been the perfect lesbian golem romance.😂

  • @JXRC1
    @JXRC1 3 года назад +91

    I had no idea if was possible to end the cellar quest that way (and miss one of the best helmets in the entire game). Well done 😂👍

  • @jazzlovr6515
    @jazzlovr6515 3 года назад +65

    Jon, I've played Dragon Age: Origins I-don't-know-how-many times, but your running commentary makes the whole game fresh, new, and hilarious. I enjoy your play more than my own.

  • @radicalantitheist
    @radicalantitheist 3 года назад +40

    we are now at the point in the series where jon drops all pretense of being a good guy.

  • @queenannsrevenge100
    @queenannsrevenge100 3 года назад +33

    “I’m gonna toss dirt in her eyes… IT DID NOTHING…”
    😂😂😂

    • @farshnuke
      @farshnuke 3 года назад +1

      He says attacking her butt.

  • @torstenschneider670
    @torstenschneider670 3 года назад +9

    Seeing how he resolved the demon cat situation, I hereby declare Jon's allignment to be chaotic helpful.

  • @CaptainHightop
    @CaptainHightop 3 года назад +60

    Jon, you had already agreed to free the demon when you went to talk to the girl's father. There is no way to end that quest without angering Alistair and freeing the demon in some way after you tell the demon you will free it.. You really need to pay more attention to the dialouge options.

    • @slimp6532
      @slimp6532 3 года назад +22

      Like seriously lol the (lie) was right above it he didn't even have to commit

    • @killean2645
      @killean2645 3 года назад +7

      You can tell it you'll free it, do the puzzle and kill it afterwards. There is no benefit to it other than different approval changes compared to just killing it outright, but it is possible.

    • @vaspeter2600
      @vaspeter2600 3 года назад +2

      @@killean2645 You can only do that if you used the (Lie) option. You can turn on it if you sincerely promised to free it. At least I'm 80% certain, anyhow.
      Edit: I'm half asleep and misremembered. Yeah, you can promise to free it and still kill it. You cannot, however, kill it if you promised to let it possess the kid.

    • @TheRoyalFamilyII
      @TheRoyalFamilyII 3 года назад

      @@killean2645 If you lie to it, it will see through the lie and possess the girl, and you have to kill her. If you tell it you will free it, and then backstab after doing the puzzle, the girl gets away (and presumably you kill the cat).

    • @HoHhoch
      @HoHhoch 3 года назад +1

      @@TheRoyalFamilyII That's only if you fail the persuasion check.

  • @nolagale
    @nolagale 3 года назад +30

    Are we the baddies, Jon? We're the baddies, aren't we?

  • @shotgunshells2
    @shotgunshells2 3 года назад +27

    Watching Jon get slaughtered by Flemeth was hilarious. I'm in tears.

    • @williamplummer7059
      @williamplummer7059 3 года назад +1

      The anticipation of Jon’s reaction when Flemeth transforms was even better! I laughed until my sides hurt!

    • @volourn9764
      @volourn9764 Год назад +1

      And, his next major move is Haven...

  • @Carrrnage
    @Carrrnage 3 года назад +65

    Loved watching Jon walk into the Flemeth fight with so much confidence, knowing the absolute wreckfest awaiting him.
    Anyone think that will help with Jon jumping to conclusions? Nah, me neither.
    EDIT: Also, don't think I've ever seen the Superman reference before, pretty cool

    • @raph-mt
      @raph-mt 3 года назад

      @@oliviawilliams6204 I'm playing right now without any DLC and I had that encounter. Looked it up and it seems you can get it without having Warden's Keep.

    • @oliviawilliams6204
      @oliviawilliams6204 3 года назад

      @@raph-mt hum possible then i guess, but there's nothing you can do with it, you can only use the metorites at Soldier Peak

    • @Sanvone
      @Sanvone 3 года назад

      Without mods increasing encounter frequency it is really rare. It might take you so many travels between certain areas to spawn some of them.

    • @drackestalentorgen166
      @drackestalentorgen166 3 года назад +2

      its part of the warden keep dlc you can take that meteorite to be turn into a sword (the superman reference)

    • @oliviawilliams6204
      @oliviawilliams6204 3 года назад

      @@drackestalentorgen166 yeah it’s what I was saying.

  • @RainbowLizardOne
    @RainbowLizardOne 3 года назад +51

    I like how Origins doesn't make every single Intimidate opportunity an auto-success.

    • @5Andysalive
      @5Andysalive 3 года назад +4

      There was a time before New Vegas, when real RPG rolled dice. Not give you precise predictions (34/40) on your skill checks. And your character stats changed threshholds and chances. Maybe it's ok to tell you how a lockpick will go. But you should not have a guarantee on how a person will react. DAO is a proper RPG with proper RPG mechanics. Without bogging you downtoo much into into the technicalities, unless you want to.
      Too many games do that 34/40 thing now and NV might have been the influencer there.

    • @augustburning3045
      @augustburning3045 3 года назад +10

      "Intimidate" is also tied to Strength, whereas "Persuade" is tied to Cunning. Coercion is only one of two factors, so maxing it doesn't guarantee the highest probability for success on a speech check.

    • @dungeonmaster201
      @dungeonmaster201 3 года назад +3

      @@augustburning3045 there are some checks though that will fail no matter what though

    • @vaspeter2600
      @vaspeter2600 3 года назад +12

      @@5Andysalive The biggest problem with real RPGs rolling real dice was that real players savescummed their way past real skillchecks really often.

    • @Aleswall
      @Aleswall 3 года назад +5

      @@vaspeter2600 This is the real answer, when you can save-scum a random chance, the chance may as well be irrelevant.

  • @koko01116
    @koko01116 3 года назад +30

    If you brought Zevran with you when waking Shale you could have tried to command it to hug him

  • @davidriley8316
    @davidriley8316 3 года назад +8

    BioWare knew how to write back in these wonderful days.

  • @hoabinh555
    @hoabinh555 3 года назад +29

    "Ah, yes. I have the key to this barrier."
    "Ah, so you're a mage?"
    "Nope, just have the key."
    "Good, as a mage you can take on a demon right?"
    "No, not a mage! I've already told you!"
    "Demon it is then."

  • @katieheys8564
    @katieheys8564 3 года назад +12

    "oh no she's doing something....coooooooock!!" hahahaha you and all of us Jon, you and all of us

  • @rcblazer
    @rcblazer 3 года назад +21

    Flemeth is one of the tougher battles in the whole game. You're going to want to either go back at a higher level, bring Wynne for healing, or both if you don't plan to take her deal.

    • @martanowicka3340
      @martanowicka3340 3 года назад

      Yeeeeeaah... and now he goes after the Urn of Ashes ;) Like that is an easier dragon battle!
      For me that is a test - if I can kill Flemith I might just have a slight chance to go for the Ashes!

    • @vaspeter2600
      @vaspeter2600 3 года назад +3

      @@martanowicka3340 To be fair, it's not *much* harder. They're the same level, with the mountaintop dragon having slightly higher stats.

    • @martanowicka3340
      @martanowicka3340 3 года назад +1

      @@vaspeter2600 Really? So it must be the case of a choice of companions. Becoise I can quite easily kill Flemith, but the Ash-Andreaste Dragon is always the worst nightmare for me. And I wen through 7-8 games with different original character :) Shame to admit but I usually just end up turning the difficulty level down for that one fight...

    • @pamjarvis2318
      @pamjarvis2318 3 года назад +2

      Wynn and Lelianne as distance archer with added frost to arrows are good combination in this battle. You do need distance fighters in dragon fights. Mountain Dragon fight is best with two mages or mage and archer who stand in safe distance.

    • @Seemond3
      @Seemond3 3 года назад +1

      @@martanowicka3340 just double mage/ 1 rouge/ 1 warrior tank (you or alistair) it.
      if you build all mages as healers with spirit healer and just pump lyriumpotions you can simpley clear all the stuff in origin. Also double ice cone/ double glyph of paralyze and double paralyze are pretty funny even vs a boss if you chain it rigth.
      I also recommand a mod to respec companion.
      Also pack lyrium potions and heal potions.

  • @Lonnloven
    @Lonnloven 3 года назад +2

    The fact that you stumbled upon a really rare outcome for Shale's cellar quest proves why you did the right thing playing ahead to avoid spoilers! It's just better content! Hopefully the whiny people in the comments who can't stand anyone not playing the game the same way they do will eventually realise this as well.

  • @trevorchristensen4541
    @trevorchristensen4541 3 года назад +59

    Jon, about your problems with Denerim, did you install the 4gb patch for DA:O? If you haven't you should probably install that ASAP.

    • @AndreasHagelberg
      @AndreasHagelberg 3 года назад +4

      Unfortunately the 4GB patch doesn't help much. The problem seems to be that the game has a 1GB limit on video memory and has no check if it runs out. The 4GB patch won't change the video memory limit. You can alleviate the problems a lot by setting the texture quality to low. The game will look worse, but it won't crash all the time at least. You can increase the quality again when you're not in Denerim market.

    • @themurmeli88
      @themurmeli88 3 года назад +5

      @@AndreasHagelberg It did help with me. The game kept crashing constantly, but with 4gb patch it didn't crash once with all settings set to max.

    • @LadoTsulukidze
      @LadoTsulukidze 3 года назад +1

      Just lowering the graphics solved it in my case. And I didn't even lower them very much.
      Set Graphics detail: High; Texture detail: medium; Anti-alising: Off...
      barely noticing the difference in visuals to be honest and no more texture glitch or crash in denerim anymore.

    • @fatal_error_3
      @fatal_error_3 3 года назад +4

      The 4GB patch solved all my crash-problems in Denerim. Highly recommended.

    • @EmeraldEyesEsoteric
      @EmeraldEyesEsoteric 3 года назад

      I have ultimate edition and denerin is usually fine. I've had an occasional crash anywhere in the game and sometimes denerin load times are extremely long.

  • @Hamji
    @Hamji 3 года назад +9

    haven't you noticed that on the map the "stupid ways" they take are the roads because they don't want to go through mountains and forests without a raod

    • @volourn9764
      @volourn9764 Год назад

      A lot of let's players miss this. Lol

  • @Dead-EyeJuncan
    @Dead-EyeJuncan 3 года назад +53

    Looks like Shale's quake is going to go make the amount of damage done to his own his party go to whole new levels. Jon's friendly fire blindness is not helpful in this game, not to his potion supplies anyway!

    • @Sanvone
      @Sanvone 3 года назад +6

      Thankfully on normal he only takes part of friendly fire. That said, not using Shale as primary tank seems like such a huge oversight with stupid amounts of armor she has on her "tank" mode early game on top of passive health regen.

    • @MrGhosta5
      @MrGhosta5 3 года назад

      Frendly fire is disabled on nornal dificulty.

    • @Sanvone
      @Sanvone 3 года назад +5

      @@MrGhosta5 Only on consoles. He plays PC. 50% modifiers applies to AoE.

    • @smward87
      @smward87 3 года назад

      @@Sanvone Direct friendly fire is disabled, but secondary effects still apply. You can nail your party with a Fireball and they won't take damage from the initial blast, but they will still get knocked down and be set on fire. So the Quake won't hurt his party, but it will absolutely still knock them on their asses and he probably won't put 2 and 2 together and notice he's doing it to himself.

    • @Sanvone
      @Sanvone 3 года назад +1

      @@smward87 I'm confused as to why did you worded your message as you did. Friendly fire is not disabled in his case (he takes half od dmg cause he plays on PC normal difficulty. Friendly fire is disabled on Casual PC difficulty and Casual+Normal for consoles). Quake doesn't deal damage it only offers crowd control effects. You can check it on wiki or in the video itself as Shale damages his party with Quake which is example of friendly fire.

  • @wsconsn
    @wsconsn 3 года назад +53

    Seeing Jon love Shale makes me sad that he never got HKs story in KOTOR.

    • @legion999
      @legion999 3 года назад

      Wait what do you mean he never got it? What happened?

    • @piratekingomega3292
      @piratekingomega3292 3 года назад +7

      @@legion999 your suppose to repair him over time and each time he tells you a bit of his past. jon just never did that

    • @Magmakojote
      @Magmakojote 3 года назад

      @@piratekingomega3292 oh no.

    • @wsconsn
      @wsconsn 3 года назад +6

      @@legion999 plenty of us told him to get to repair 17 so he could get the stories of his previous masters but Jon never saw it. I wish he’d just use console commands and make a short video of him reacting to the stories but I doubt it’d ever happen.

    • @kc12311
      @kc12311 3 года назад +7

      What was even funnier was how Jon decided to devote some level ups to repair for that reason, and got repair up to 3 and thought it was a real accomplishment

  • @noraye2500
    @noraye2500 3 года назад +50

    Jon: "I don't want to think about the ethics of having a gollum for a slave"
    Also Jon: "Okay so there's another demon let loose in the world who's possessed a father and taken his daughter captive, and I'm responsible. Let's not tell anyone about it, im sure it's fine"

    • @drackestalentorgen166
      @drackestalentorgen166 3 года назад +4

      (spoiler)
      and he doesnt know the golems are real people yet...as far as he knows they are like droids (another debate there)

    • @o-mangaming5042
      @o-mangaming5042 3 года назад +1

      @@drackestalentorgen166 Not a debate. Droids are real people too. Only reason they don't rise up is because folks in the Star Wars galaxy regularly purge their memories most of the time. Because they know if they don't, the droids really will rise up.

    • @legion999
      @legion999 3 года назад +1

      @@drackestalentorgen166 You should spoiler this before he sees

    • @legion999
      @legion999 3 года назад

      @@o-mangaming5042 Not all droids are sentient and can be limited by their programming

    • @drackestalentorgen166
      @drackestalentorgen166 3 года назад

      @@o-mangaming5042 Oh, i actually agre with you Droids have clearly an Ego they are people...but the Galactic community just refuses to accept that out of History and convenience...
      However in Dragon age souls can be seen and spirits can be interacted with in the Fade.. Golems have much more of a claim of Personhood in a world like Thedas.

  • @xianartman
    @xianartman 3 года назад +25

    Fascinating. 04:38. Jon hears Shale was found alone surrounded by dead bodies and immediately assumes Shale was defending, but when hearing that Sten was found alone surrounded by dead bodies he was attacking…. Hmmmmm

    • @TheFanoren
      @TheFanoren 3 года назад +2

      I mean, sten confessed and all...

    • @xianartman
      @xianartman 3 года назад +1

      @@TheFanoren actually he was very noncommittal, except for accepting the punishment for his own reasons that he doesn’t talk about. No one saw him kill, he confessed to being the cause of death, but there was a reason if I remember correctly.
      However Sten doesn’t look at explanation or apologies in positive terms. He only likes facts, thus being there with dead bodies, he deserves the fate of the survivor, for not defending those in need of defense.
      His words are nuanced sure, but like Shale, the death in their story where they were found is ambiguous at best.

    • @smward87
      @smward87 3 года назад +2

      @@xianartman No Sten absolutely did kill all those people. He woke up without his sword, and in Qunari culture losing your weapon is basically losing who you are as a person. So he flew into a blind rage and killed everyone around him because he no longer has a purpose to exist in the eyes of the Qun until he gets his sword back.

  • @seanmcloughlin5983
    @seanmcloughlin5983 3 года назад +31

    I never appreciated how subversive Dragon Age was until Jon started playing.
    Hear Sten was accused of murdering a whole family, immediate assumption is he was framed and you need to clear his name, but nope he 100% did it.
    Wilhelm was found broken and bloody next to an incapacitated Shale, so obviously something attacked them, Shale tried to defend him but was disabled, nope Shale 100% did it and even hopes it hurt ,”my favorite line being ‘I hope his last words were Golem stop crushing my head!”
    Lovely how it can take things in different directions than the typical western RPG.

    • @Mobysimo
      @Mobysimo 3 года назад +6

      Dragon Age has always been good at things like this. It's one of the reasons I prefer it to Mass Effect

    • @kc12311
      @kc12311 3 года назад +15

      Jon is very quick to jump to conclusions and very slow to ever change them, even with mounting evidence. Like how he thought Mission in KotOR would happily help him conquer the galaxy just because he found her worthless brother lol

    • @Mobysimo
      @Mobysimo 3 года назад +13

      @@kc12311 Yeah. He seems to think that doing a companion a small favor makes them willing to do whatever you want to do.
      And completely missing the mark on characters personalities. Like in Kotor where he kept thinking he could make Juhani a dark Jedi, despite her multiple times saying that she regrets it and would rather die than do that again

    • @mushyroom9569
      @mushyroom9569 3 года назад

      So it’s subversive in not trying to subvert your expectations? That’s certainly a take.

    • @vaspeter2600
      @vaspeter2600 3 года назад +6

      @@mushyroom9569 Hey, if subverting the player's expectations in a certain way had been done so often that it becomes an expectation in and of itself, then yeah, absolutely.

  • @crescentmethod
    @crescentmethod 3 года назад +3

    Jon really earning the "Shame of the Couslands" nickname this episode

  • @camdenbarron2376
    @camdenbarron2376 3 года назад +2

    Jon shouting c*** when flemeth turns into a dragon slays me. I remember my very first reaction to that encounter being very similar. Absolutely delightful series to watch someone play for the first time yet again.

  • @gostchiken
    @gostchiken 3 года назад +14

    "Chaos and Nonsense"
    Found the title for Jon's autobiography.

  • @ArcAngle1117
    @ArcAngle1117 3 года назад +43

    You should do Soldier's Peak. It will help with your inventory problems

  • @valthorix7347
    @valthorix7347 3 года назад +12

    Jon please, please bring Shale with you when you go to Orzammar. It's very important to... "their" questline.

    • @martanowicka3340
      @martanowicka3340 3 года назад +4

      Yeah, but he should also pay a bit more atantion to the "frendship" stuff. Not only it gaves additional abilities, but at that point nobody really likes him within the team. And - exept from Morrigan, they will just not ask for their personal quests... :( They don't trust him.

    • @AvatarNaty
      @AvatarNaty 3 года назад

      a bit on the nose there with the quote marks. you basically spoiled their gender related discovery.

    • @Aeroldoth3
      @Aeroldoth3 3 года назад +3

      I wish people would stop asking LPers to play a certain way. I also wish they would stop posting spoilers, rules, hints, suggestions and explanations. LPers are perfectly capable of RTFM and reading FAQs so if they don't, if they actually want to play blind, being "helpful" robs both them AND the viewers of that virgin experience. I'm here to watch a BLIND play with BLIND choices, warts and all, not watch someone play perfectly.
      I would request Val delete this entire thread.

    • @valthorix7347
      @valthorix7347 3 года назад +1

      @@Aeroldoth3 Jon absolutely is not capable of RTFM. And no, bite me.

  • @vaspeter2600
    @vaspeter2600 3 года назад +18

    With these effects on party approval, I feel like Jon is subconsciously trying to achieve a no-companion playthrough.

  • @ZakisHereNow
    @ZakisHereNow 3 года назад +1

    Jon…. You literally tried to bargain with a demon… the things that you’ve been told cannot and should not be bargained with. This is amazing.

  • @JeanLucPicard85
    @JeanLucPicard85 3 года назад +6

    Morrigan cosplaying as a "domestic goddess" by wearing Wynne's apron.

  • @leafruns7672
    @leafruns7672 3 года назад +8

    I seem to remember several ways to accidentally let the demon walk away in this DLC. This one though, I didn't know about. Its always educational Jon.

  • @supermansweightbench
    @supermansweightbench 3 года назад +3

    😂 I have never seen that ending in all my many playthroughs with that quest. Bravo Jon that was amazing.

  • @rayadisurya2904
    @rayadisurya2904 3 года назад +4

    Jon, you need to raise Zev's approval if you want to learn the assassin spec without the manual. Just give him some silver/gold bars. You can also give him the rare antivan brandy from the camp shop to essentially bribe him to teach you the spec.
    And if I remember correctly, you can randomly find him piss out drunk in the camp after that, which is silly.

    • @Incoherent-excitement
      @Incoherent-excitement 3 года назад

      Also, befriending Zev is beneficial story-wise, definitely consider it.

    • @volourn9764
      @volourn9764 Год назад

      ​@@Incoherent-excitement zevran IA evil. He deserves to be executed not befriended.

  • @AndreasHagelberg
    @AndreasHagelberg 3 года назад +3

    I've played through this game at least 10 times and I had no idea you could fail the demon cat quest so badly. Hilarious!

  • @onlychild5213
    @onlychild5213 3 года назад +15

    Me silently judging Jon as he thinks flemeth is gonna be a “quick smashy smashy stabby stabby” and then brings no healers on top of it 😂😂😂😂

    • @whiteraven562
      @whiteraven562 3 года назад

      I mean, I also went into the Flemeth fight assuming i'd be fighting a mage. I'd completely forgotten she and Morrigan were shapeshifters by that point of the game lol

    • @onlychild5213
      @onlychild5213 3 года назад

      @@whiteraven562 I brought sten and shale and wynne but much later like before the landsmeet lol

    • @sympunny8636
      @sympunny8636 3 года назад

      @@whiteraven562 i mean the thing is, even if she was a mage, mages are good at aoe, so taking three melee dudes that have to clump around the target is questionable

    • @volourn9764
      @volourn9764 Год назад

      Hey, she's just one old woman. Lol I mean Morrigan just randomly knows shape-shifting even though the only person she only interacted closely with pre DA is Flemeth... I wonder where she learned it...

  • @Josh-ye9ol
    @Josh-ye9ol 3 года назад +5

    Ah, the Flemeth fight for the first time.... oh the painful painful memories

  • @TheOneOrMore
    @TheOneOrMore 3 года назад +22

    It's so Jon to immediately assume that Shale didn't kill Wilhelm, when all he knew at that point was that Wilhelm was crushed and Shale was standing above his corpse. Also, when reading the journal, Wilhelm wonders about the demon influencing Shale, while also mentioning his own experiments on the golem being a possible cause. Of course, Jon immediately assumes that the demon did it and ignores that Wilhelm might have done it himself.
    Edit: Also, It doesn't say in the description if you have it, but the 4 GB patch works wonders for stability. I've used it on a very recent playthrough, and it saved my game, since I couldn't load without crashing before that.

    • @tite93
      @tite93 3 года назад +3

      Jon definitely needs to do the 4gb patch thing. Otherwise the game is almost unplayable in cities

    • @l33tspaniard
      @l33tspaniard 3 года назад +2

      “A GOLEM CHOOSES - “ *squish*

    • @Aeroldoth3
      @Aeroldoth3 3 года назад +6

      @@LordDarrenysus
      Is there a reason you're posting spoilers when Jon might read them?

    • @LordDarrenysus
      @LordDarrenysus 3 года назад +2

      @@Aeroldoth3 yikes I legit didn't think of that 😬 sometimes you just get too caught up and excited by the lore that you can forget these kinda things

    • @lucasgonzales4260
      @lucasgonzales4260 3 года назад

      iirc the steam version doesn't work with the 4gb patch anymore, it just breaks the exe. You actually have to go find the old exe to download somewhere if you want to use the patch, unfortunately.

  • @troyserdynski4030
    @troyserdynski4030 3 года назад +3

    Jon's reaction to Flemeth's dragon form had me dying, pretty sure that's the general tone I had when I first realized the fight is against a dragon

  • @giga-chicken
    @giga-chicken 3 года назад +2

    It does and also doesn't matter when you visit Flemeth. The game will scale every encounter to your level including hers, though having more skills and powers available does make a difference. I won't pretend she's an easy fight though.

  • @heartlacies
    @heartlacies 3 года назад +3

    Wow... I've played this game so many times and have over 600 hours and I never knew the dad could get possessed. There's a reason why this is my favourite game of all time, there's just so many things to discover. Also Shale isn’t a male golem.

    • @lixyororke
      @lixyororke 3 года назад

      iirc shale doesn’t seem to care what pronouns you use, it’s just the community that has decided that because shayle was a woman, shale must be too, which just isn’t supported by the game. if i’m forgetting some dialogue or something, my bad, but i seem to remember that shale explicitly says that after being turned into a golem, shale no longer identified as shayle, which i assume includes gender

    • @heartlacies
      @heartlacies 3 года назад

      @@lixyororke Oh, I know. Just pointing it out.

  • @juggalox1000
    @juggalox1000 3 года назад +4

    Jon: I picked up a bloody Key
    Me: and? Jon you pick up a lot of Bloody Keys

  • @chriswoodend2036
    @chriswoodend2036 3 года назад +5

    For those of you who thought Deadeye Duncan couldn't be topped, I present to you the desire demon.

  • @simmerplayer2747
    @simmerplayer2747 3 года назад

    Another great episode! I thoroughly enjoyed this one, this playthrough is a lot of fun thank you!

  • @PavelD83
    @PavelD83 3 года назад +2

    Jon: We can’t kill a dragon yet, let’s go to Haven instead! 😂😂😂

  • @AmadeuszKlodawski
    @AmadeuszKlodawski 3 года назад +1

    The realization of just how badly shit hit the fan during the Flemeth fight amused me greatly. 😂

  • @steffenkaae4803
    @steffenkaae4803 3 года назад +22

    Clearly evil demon: Is it wrong to as a parasite invade someone's body and forcefully control them so i can see the world with mortal eyes? Clearly oblivious Jon: When you put it like that no.... I love this!! :D

    • @raph-mt
      @raph-mt 3 года назад +8

      Jon would be made a tranquil so fast.

    • @dontmisunderstand6041
      @dontmisunderstand6041 3 года назад +1

      @@raph-mt Being fair... that only speaks to how openly evil the Chantry is. Being tranquil is fundamentally worse than demonic possession for the victim. Their soul is destroyed and they become a slave that cannot know anything but obedience. At least demons abandon their host at some point, and can be reasoned with. The rite of tranquility is permanent, and absolute.

    • @Silverhawk100
      @Silverhawk100 3 года назад +5

      @@dontmisunderstand6041 Very mild spoilers for Inquisition, but tranquility does not destroy a soul. It can be reversed. It likely has to do with the lyrium.

    • @lixyororke
      @lixyororke 3 года назад +5

      @@Silverhawk100 imho making tranquility reversible is one of the worst things da:i did to the lore. part of what makes the chantry/mage conflict interesting is that both sides are kind of equally terrible options. despite most people’s knee-jerk reaction, mages shouldn’t just be set out on the world with no supervision, just like you probably shouldn’t give every 3rd kid in the world a gun. it’s a challenging problem to think about, but by making magical lobotomies reversible, you inherently shift the power balance. its a blatant attempt to “soften” the chantry and it just makes the conflict booooring

    • @Silverhawk100
      @Silverhawk100 3 года назад

      @@lixyororke That's an interesting way of looking at it because I'd say it's even more damning. Because they put forward this "solution of last resort" as a leash for incompetent mages and hide the fact that the leash can be removed. In the end, tranquility was used as a sword the Chantry hung over the Circles to stay in line. Mages saw the Tranquil every day and could say "there but for the Grace of the Maker, go I," all the while living with the fear it could be turned on them too.

  • @moretimeproductions
    @moretimeproductions 2 года назад

    I love how Kate Mulgrew has just such a distinctive voice, it made me go "Waiiiiiit a minute, thats Captain Janeway!!"

  • @rozzyroo3494
    @rozzyroo3494 3 года назад +20

    Loving this series thank you so much Jon, can’t wait to see who you romance

    • @rollingstoned8665
      @rollingstoned8665 3 года назад +2

      Shale is certainly a female and no.. you can't romance her

    • @jackdudley3755
      @jackdudley3755 3 года назад +2

      I feel like it needs to be siad how fun this series is to watch. I know many of the viewers offer advice and stuff but it is worth mentioning that this series is great. And yeah if jon can romance a rock golem there is no choice

    • @rozzyroo3494
      @rozzyroo3494 3 года назад

      @@rollingstoned8665 Alistair is the only romance option for me, I always say I’ll choose different but he’s just too sweet 😂

    • @matthewwoods366
      @matthewwoods366 3 года назад

      Based on gift giving and approval points from conversation he might not get to any romance point. Maybe "Claire"..... Maybe.

  • @nabinoorshahil2715
    @nabinoorshahil2715 3 года назад +7

    It seems like The first enchanter knew of Wills experiments and his attempt to research demons and find a way to cure demonic possession and the first enchanter did not try to stop him.

    • @leafruns7672
      @leafruns7672 3 года назад +1

      Researching demons and finding a way to cure possession sounds like a good thing though. it's makeing deals and getting possessed that's a no-no.

    • @nabinoorshahil2715
      @nabinoorshahil2715 3 года назад +2

      @@leafruns7672 Yes he was trying to do a good thing. My point was focused on John saying the Circle would not be ok with it if they knew what he was doing. So I pointed out that they did know about it and were ok with it. Now although he was trying to do a good thing. It can not be argued that his actions led to a lot of problems and in Johns playthrough it led to the possession of his son and the freedom of a powerful desire demon on the mortal world.

  • @rickyvandusen1744
    @rickyvandusen1744 3 года назад +4

    18:00 classic oops hit the reset button situation😱

  • @5Andysalive
    @5Andysalive 3 года назад +6

    "Here in the real world"
    That's the RP spirit!

  • @salasy
    @salasy 3 года назад +11

    shale is probably one of the best companion in any Dragon age
    it's a shame that she never came back

    • @aerialmacaroon6312
      @aerialmacaroon6312 3 года назад +2

      Technically it is with wynne in asunder novel

    • @seanmcloughlin5983
      @seanmcloughlin5983 3 года назад +6

      Shhh don’t spoil her pronouns, I wanna see Jon refer to Shale with masculine pronouns the whole game just to get to Caradin and be super embarrassed.

    • @salasy
      @salasy 3 года назад +6

      actually before watching Jon it never actually passed in to my mind that someone would think she was a man
      not only shale has a pretty feminine voice but also her whole demeanor told me that she was female before

    • @seanmcloughlin5983
      @seanmcloughlin5983 3 года назад +1

      @@salasy well that’s our Jon, perceiving things wrong never thought possible lol

    • @ewan121
      @ewan121 3 года назад +1

      @@salasy also at this point all we know is shale is an enchanted pile of rocks... So any gender is kind of redundant

  • @DaveLemmens
    @DaveLemmens 3 года назад +1

    I really like this let's play, it's one of the best I've found of DA:O. Couple of things with a minor spoiler in point 2:
    1. You can expand the ability bar at the bottom of the screen by dragging the right edge to the right
    2. Shale is female (although I don't see any other comments about this, and I'm only halfway through this video, so you might have figured that out already)

    • @AlwaysSomeone
      @AlwaysSomeone 3 года назад

      Point 2 is a spoiler
      Not a major one, but it’s a funny little surprise after doing a quest. But you know, a RUclips comment is a good way to find out, too. Doesn’t kill the impact or anything.

    • @DaveLemmens
      @DaveLemmens 3 года назад

      @@AlwaysSomeone Is it really? I always assumed Shale was female while playing, and I don't remember a quest about it. Anyway, thanks for telling me. I edited my original comment.

  • @mortdeath1674
    @mortdeath1674 3 года назад +1

    Brilliant, absolutely loving this, brings back happy memories ❤️

  • @twitchyb9950
    @twitchyb9950 3 года назад +2

    Shale is the best! Make sure to bring her along with you when you go to Orzammar!

    • @Bubbles99718
      @Bubbles99718 3 года назад

      Why.
      Really only need her for the deep roads.
      Not one mention of her strolling around, which is crazy they didn't include that. Other npc's notice certain characters but no notices a Bloody Golem walking around Orzamar.
      Talk about a lost oppurtunity

    • @volourn9764
      @volourn9764 Год назад

      ​@@Bubbles99718 the shaper notices.

    • @Bubbles99718
      @Bubbles99718 Год назад

      @@volourn9764 True

  • @threerings13
    @threerings13 3 года назад +2

    Glaring at everyone in the comments trying to spoil a Shale-related reveal that doesn't happen till much later. You are clearly intended to make the assumption that Jon made only to be surprised. Correcting him now just ruins the reveal.

  • @kevinmoran3508
    @kevinmoran3508 3 года назад

    Jon, you can expand the ability bar by clicking the lock in the bottom left to "unlock it" and then dragging the tab on the right of the bar.

  • @toaofpi
    @toaofpi 3 года назад

    Huh, I never even thought a bout running back and telling her dad about the demon, so I had no idea you could resolve the quest that way! That's neat.

  • @jameslewis2635
    @jameslewis2635 3 года назад +8

    Yeah, Jon. That was more than a little bit dumb.

  • @spartannell
    @spartannell 3 года назад +3

    When it comes to Denerim crashes, when I did my playthrough I was plagued by it to the point I initially couldn't even load the save files in the city. After doing some digging I found the solution that worked for me was two fold. First, there's a patch that increases the amount of memory that the game can access (I am probably explaining that awfully) but it helps a lot. Secondly, if you're using an Nvidia GPU there's a set of legacy drivers you can find and install that Nvidia keeps around specifically to help older games run. Doing both of those alleviated the crashes and instability completely from my run. Might be worth having a look into?

  • @librarianseth5572
    @librarianseth5572 3 года назад +5

    Day 526 of requesting Zoo Tycoon. From the dressed-up golem to the beatdown from a demon, this really was a rollercoaster ride

  • @fuzzymurdermittens
    @fuzzymurdermittens 3 года назад +37

    And once again, Jon's unwillingness to listen when the game explains to him REPEATEDLY that demons are untrustworthy and must *never* be bargained with backfires in his face.

    • @o-mangaming5042
      @o-mangaming5042 3 года назад +12

      Except that's not what happened here. He wasn't bargaining, he was feeling out the game itself. The game didn't hint that the father would run in and get possessed, or that asking "what now?" would immediately end the mission with no way to step back and choose something else.

    • @TitanDarwin
      @TitanDarwin 3 года назад +3

      @@o-mangaming5042 I mean, he could have just dealt with the demon then and there instead of going back to the dad first.

    • @aleksanderanan2119
      @aleksanderanan2119 3 года назад +5

      @@TitanDarwin Funnily, he'd then probably be accused of not checking all his possible choices, similar to the Connor/demon situation from a couple of episodes ago.

  • @FrogRaider1
    @FrogRaider1 3 года назад

    This is exactly why this playthrough is so amazing. I can always count on something going incredibly wrong lol. I am so anxious to see who you take to the urn. Darn I wish these weren't just once a week so long to wait. Maybe think about doing the Warden's Keep before it is too late to get any benefit from it.

  • @troyrohler9126
    @troyrohler9126 3 года назад +1

    The golem reminded me of HK-47. If Jon like the golem he will love HK. Meatbag

  • @khajiitten5252
    @khajiitten5252 3 года назад

    All I could think was Illiden from WoW when Jon when to fight Flemeth. "you are not prepared."

  • @tortoiseoflegends4466
    @tortoiseoflegends4466 3 года назад +4

    Denerim is a mess because of your mods. The game crashes if you use too much RAM and Denerim is quite intensive on the textures. It can be solved by turning the graphics down to low whenever you go there or turning off the mods.
    Also, some notes for Alistair:
    -Constitution gives very little health (I think +7 per point) compared to dexterity which boosts his chances to avoid damage completely (I think +1%). Which as a sword and shield tank, he specialises in avoiding damage. Plus enemies are going to be doing more damage as you level up but health always increases at the same rate.
    -Shield Defense is different to Shield Cover. Cover increases defense against missiles specifically. Shield Defense boosts his dodge chance against everything.

    • @killean2645
      @killean2645 3 года назад

      Denerim is a mess in a vanilla game as well, at least at the highest graphic settings. I recently did a run with only the respec mod and always had to put the graphics to lowest (medium probably would have worked, but better save than sorry), or the textures glitched out after 20 seconds and the game crashed shortly after.

    • @Sanvone
      @Sanvone 3 года назад +1

      Con gives +5 hp but each class receives some amount of hp passively with each level. The same as stamina/mana. Enemies scale with player to certain extent depending on area but their stat spread and gear progression makes it viable to just stack dps stack and/or dexterity for defense (chance to not get hit). He really should be using Shield Defense more and ideally Shield Wall. Excellent piece of advice.

  • @Jogproof
    @Jogproof 3 года назад

    I love how nonchalant he was about Superman existing he just rolled with it.

  • @rekadd
    @rekadd 3 года назад +1

    im glad he avoided the flemeth dragon fight to go to haven instead

  • @HaakenSlash
    @HaakenSlash 3 года назад

    Very glad you picked up shale this early I was worried DLC was all gonna be put off for later in the game and make them much less impactful to join the team! Always a go to companion for me

  • @Spootington
    @Spootington 3 года назад +2

    I love the dismayed yell of "COOOOOCK!"

  • @Sara.Space.H
    @Sara.Space.H 3 года назад +1

    Jon's rock puns were the best.

  • @AgentofChaos315
    @AgentofChaos315 3 года назад +4

    That little laughter you hear when you turn in the Red Jenny box is implied to be Sera a companion in DA3

  • @TNeltron
    @TNeltron 3 года назад

    NPC: "Wilhelm." Jon: "Right, Wilheim, got it." I'm laughing harder every time he gets it wrong.

  • @SocratesOnFire7
    @SocratesOnFire7 3 года назад +1

    "I was trying to find a peaceful alternative solution that was going to make everybody happy by going and speaking to a relevant authority, and really when you think about it it's his fault that everything got messed up."
    -Neville Chamberlain, 1938

  • @bulshock1221
    @bulshock1221 3 года назад

    Sten and Shale in the same party. Some of the best banters!

  • @ViralMag_Ravager
    @ViralMag_Ravager 10 месяцев назад

    Jon and Demons
    perception level -10
    And no, Jon, that was Greed (7 deadly sins) not trying find the best solution
    😂

  • @lanceuppercut6168
    @lanceuppercut6168 3 года назад

    Wow. If there's a unique way of breaking something in a game chances are Jon will find it, and I love it! 🤣 Quite hilarious and while very welcoming in a media of entertainment I do so very hope Jon never has a true position of power where someone has to do his bidding 😜 Continue on you marvelous egg carton! 🤩

  • @ditzyhere3138
    @ditzyhere3138 3 года назад

    I was expecting Jon to rage at that puzzle the way I did in my first play through. LOL

  • @mandaloriancrusader6699
    @mandaloriancrusader6699 3 года назад

    Did not know you can lose to Deadeye Duncan or that desire demon but Jon keeps showing us new and exciting possibilities!

  • @joemccarthy57
    @joemccarthy57 3 года назад +1

    Classic Jon. He screws up the demon-questline and misses on the single strongest Helm in all of the game. I mean, I was 100% sure that he will screw this one up but even I wouldn't think that it can be flunked this much.

  • @omgitsnoeee
    @omgitsnoeee 3 года назад +1

    Jon the majority of this episode: "Step on me, rock daddy."

  • @alexhooi7268
    @alexhooi7268 3 года назад

    Two big oof moments in one video, and you can tell the exact moment when the video freezes and a voice over says "and it was this moment he knew, he f*ed up"

  • @aerialmacaroon6312
    @aerialmacaroon6312 3 года назад +10

    I don’t want to spoil so I will keep vague; there are 4 romance options in game, 2 straight and 2 bi, will not say who and what preferences they have
    Shale is considered the HK-47 of this series

    • @legion999
      @legion999 3 года назад +1

      Yeah Shale is the comedic sociopath

  • @willericson2471
    @willericson2471 3 года назад

    Best suggestion for the flemeth dragon is to go to the elves. You can pick up the arcane warrior specialization for Morrigan and Wynn as well as the juggernaut armor for alistair which will make it much easier.

  • @danielabarca1985
    @danielabarca1985 3 года назад +2

    Yay another episode 😊💖 thank you Jon

  • @DreddPirateRoberts
    @DreddPirateRoberts 3 года назад

    52:47 - You won't be able to have the ore made into a weapon until you get the Warden's Keep.

  • @Thepiller
    @Thepiller 3 года назад +1

    I think everyone probably makes that mistake with flemeth the first time.
    I certainly thought "She'll be powerful but not that damage resistant cos she's just a mage".

  • @CommissarMitch
    @CommissarMitch 3 года назад +2

    I love how Jon clearly wanted a Golem Sex Puppet, but also wants it to have free will.
    Golems may be 100% Asexual and Aromantic.

  • @rowwhite9569
    @rowwhite9569 3 года назад +2

    The bear is still around :)

  • @rsync9490
    @rsync9490 3 года назад

    Holy crap I have never seen this scenario before and I have played origins more than a dozen times! If I had known this in my evil play through I would have went with it.

  • @Duransurik
    @Duransurik 3 года назад

    just so you know the ranger spec is one of my favorites, you summon a pet allowing a 5th member of your part and they look cute, it sounds kinda bow archery but it is not