This Zulema character must have cut a deal with the prosecution to gain immunity in exchange for her testimony, otherwise she would have been charged as a co-conspirator and accessory to these crimes. It’s absurd and annoying how the prosecutors and the investigators who interviewed her all treat her like a child and speak to her as if she’s so fragile. She’s a grown woman who has been married several times and has adult children. This sickly sweet act she puts on is just furtherance of her grift. She’s a liar just as every other person who claims to be psychic and the childlike act she plays is to gain trust so she can con people out of money. She’s not meek or mild she’s devious and dishonest on every level.
I couldn’t agree with you more. She is up to her neck in it and should be prosecuted. It’s absolutely despicable how she will get away with her part in this. Those who knew what was going on, Melanie, Zulema etc could of prevented al those who were murdered. They are all guilt. Let’s just hope that Karma catches up with them.
It’s so sad to see women attacking this poor woman without knowledge of her health issues. She turned over everything she had to law enforcement to help arrest these aholes! Let’s have compassion for her!
🐑 yes, however South American people believe in all these things like demon possession etc. however I think they built Z up so she would take out A. And they wanted to worship c and L so she did what her most important mission they told her about . In my humble opinion of course. Also if you think an angel came down from heaven and spoke with JOSEPH SMITH! And that said smith dude could only read some gold tablets with a seeing stone. And no one else saw said tablets. You can fall for anything. Just my opinion. If the LDS people Took a step back they would realize god isn’t the center of their very organized ritualistic religion but a man, Joseph Smith seems to be their messiah. Sick and wrong. If you read the Bible and are a believer (I study religion, I do not partake) then you would know the Bible says you cannot add or detract from the scriptures.
It’s LDS at its very core. Here’s a quote from the church’s third prophet: “You may dig your graves and we will slay you and you may crawl into them.” Nov. 8, 1857. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. v, p. 34-) John Taylor (1 November 1808 - 25 July 1887) was an English-born religious leader who served as the third president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Here’s a book review: The Avenging Angel of Mormonism Reviewed in the United States on August 20, 2021 The Danites were a 19th Century secret group of Mormons who terrorized the enemies of the Church. They included men like Bill Hickman, John D. Lee and their chief, Orrin Porter Rockwell. The Danites were known to harass, intimidate, steal from and kill the foes of the LDS Church. Rockwell is assumed to be the one who attempted to assassinate former Missouri Governor Boggs. This book covers Rockwell's life and activities so much as they can be pieced together. Early Mormon doctrine included the curious concept of "Blood Atonement" wherein a wayward Saint's blood had to be shed to wash away his sins. Slitting the throat was a favorite method used in Danite justice. A less holy way was to ambush someone and shoot them in the back. Danite murders were often blamed on Indians. Once Brigham Young set up his theocratic rule in Utah few apostates from the church made it out of the Great Basin alive. Gentile travelers were often exploited, taxed, robbed and even killed as they passed through the territory. Rockwell might have been responsible for as many as 100 killings. Though authorities might charge him, no Mormon jury would ever convict him. He grew his hair and beard long because "Holy" Joe Smith told him he could never be harmed by a bullet if he did. To make sure, he never faced his prey or gave them any chance to defend themselves. This book has extensive references, but the footnoting isn't very detailed. None of the pictures from the print version are in the E-book. A great read for the Mormon historian, not much appreciated by actual Mormons.
Are they really prophets when none of their prophesies come to fruition? Mormonism is a cult. Lori and Chad took it to the next level and me came their own cult. It’s so hard to believe there are so many gullible people with no thinking skills
The reason why lorie took all of Charles stuff away from him was because she's a hate filled vengeful woman, bent on destroying anyone who made her hate list or was in her way of what she wanted. Like a bulldozer lorie would go after her victim's full force, even to the point of murder. It wasn't enough for her to just murder, she wanted them to suffer.
@Mickey Kyker Eagerly encouraged by loinfire Chad Daybell. When he zoomed in on her, he told friends she was "hot and loaded". This was just days after he unalived his wife. They were birds of a feather. His books are full of extreme violence. Reading one of them, having seen footage of that outwardly "meek hero" was shocking. He has a very dark soul.
1: Casting 2: zombie Spells 3: Zuzu Earth Wind and Fire routine 4: check if you’re still the beneficiary on life insurance 5: kill them Chad and Loris nuggets
@@anafbri04 lol I had to take breaks during it.could have possibly been used to distract train of thought but she’s a dingbat and I had really wanted to here hers too…maddening
Defense attorney reminds me of Chris Farley when he would do those interviews with awkward questions with awkward follow up. Like when he asked Paul McCartney, "You remember when you were with the Beatles?" Paul McCartney : Yes. Chris Farley : That was awesome.
This trial’s attorneys and judge as well as Stauch trial’s attorney’s and judge are so professional and polite. It’s a nice change from what we’ve seen in recent past.
@@dancer49lives6 Defence attorneys often have little to defend. It is certainly the case here. However, I support the fact that defendants are entitled to a fair trial. I don't criticize defence attorneys. They are an integral part of a free and fair trial system.
@@dancer49lives6 devils advocate here…I didn’t like Murdaughs judge. I feel like he was biased in favor of the prosecution. I think he made a few bad calls that will help Murdaugh on appeals. The financial judgement (to let in all of the financial crimes) was a mistake. They proved he was a thief and a liar. They didn’t prove he murdered his family. He probably did, but imo they didn’t prove that with evidence of that crime, they proved he was capable of fraud. Just my opinion. I understand yours.
@@sarac1118 you seem to be blaming that judge for the mistakes of the defence team. He made a ruling to say they shouldn’t come in. Defence bought it up. They made it fair game.
The financial crimes established motive for the murders. He didn’t want the wife to know, and figured if he tried to cast himself as a victim the fraud allegations and investigation would disappear. Very relevant to the murder charges. Similar to the extramarital affair in this case as well. It establishes motive.
@@icyqueen8296 I think the prosecutor is mimicking the witness' abnormal speech pattern so as to make it appear to the jury as less bizarre and irritating. As if to indicate that many people use the language mechanism, just perhaps not in such an extreme manner. It think it is actually an attempt by the witness at exaggerating her lack of fluency in English, so it can be used as excusing her comprehension of what the accused were conspiring to do. The witness is trying to appear as though she doesn't understand the English language therefore she is searching for the correct words and uses 'um' as a placeholder until she comes up with the correct word. I'm not buying it, the 'ums' are just more of her con, as is the innocent, child like voice and demeanor. It's all just more of her con and grift. The accused relied on this same ploy, the sweet, vulnerable, unassuming woman who would never hurt a flea, when in fact they are cunning, devious, and apparently quite dangerous.
There is an excellent interview with Heather Daybell, she is married to Matthew Daybell, Chad's brother. She is very well spoken and tells the truth about Chad, Tammy, Lori and LDS. Heather had Chad figured out before she married his brother.
She sounds guilty AF! Melanie gibb didn’t take near as long to answer anything and way more confident in her answers. And she didn’t receive a “blessing”, Z did. I think she’s pausing so much to make sure she answers innocently.
Melanie Gibb lied through her teeth and was well rehearsed not to further purger herself if you review the two testimonies you can hear clearly how Melanie Gibb won't go into much detail as Zulema Pastenes and to the questions she knows answers to she replies "I don't recall" don't get me wrong in the end the both of them should pay for their capability and involvement.Blatenly this was a cult and all the members should be held accountable.
love the prosecution lady. I feel bad for the defense they have nothing to work with. I am wondering why Lori didn't just plead guilty and try and get a slightly more favorable sentence.I mean does she really think there is even one in a million that she ll be acquitted?
Lori and Chad are a 'done deal'. Send them both off to permanent prison and then focus on all their guilty enablers. Those who had also hoped to gain from victimizing and eliminating innocent men, women and children. They all eagerly awaited a 'pay day' of some description.
You know Z knew. And Lori can’t argue with her. Because she would implicate herself. Why would you marry a man you barely knew? In the 911 call her son was confused about the nature of their relationship. He didn’t say my moms husband, he said I think it’s my moms bf. So we know what important mission chad and Lori sent her on. Mmmhhhmm
I cannot help but wonder if Tylee hit Alex with the bat… his head wound would have been much worse if Charles hit him and Charles sounded very sensible and calm in prior recordings. Or Lori hit Alex to make the story “appear” truthful. Tylee seemed to be catching on to things…everything sounds so planned and staged …
Omg. I pride myself on being smart but I never thought of that, but not as a plan to get Charles but to stop Alex, but honestly I don't think Tylee hit Alex with the bat. Unless she did when she went back in to get the purse and alex made her. Didn't she say lori left right as shots went off and then made Tylee go back in, and she saw what Alex did and she hit Alex out of rage or he told her that if she didn't they'd all go to jail and she'd be saving the family. Making her do an act is insurance for Alex and Lori that she stays quiet. I think if she complied with their wishes though, she wouldn't be considered dark. She'd be seen as light and on their side. Regardless, tylee and jj did not deserve to die and it hurts me every time I think about it. My kids are 14 and 4 and I could never even think of hurting them, let alone think of someone else doing it for me like lori did. I think Alex's death was damn good timing for the timeline, stress induced heart attack or a clot or murder or suicide or whatever, that was out with a bang.
@@TaurusWitch29 Charles had given her a jeep around that time, which would solidify loyalty, or is the Lori reward for cooperation from Tylee. Then Alex ends up with the jeep.
Just forget the trial and throw her in a cell with Jodi Arias, Chris Watts and Scot Peterson, just to name a few. Make sure there I no doors or windows. Feed them bred and water only. NEVER EVER LET THEM OUT, EXCEPT IN A COFFIN !!!
Several of them knew what was going on. They believed in magic. They were there when Lori &Chad made a magical attempt to crash the car with Charles and little JJ in it. So they were fine in principle with ending those lives. Far from giving Charles a heads up and helping him get the children to protect them - they at best shut up, and they even helped to gaslight Charles, which removed his ability to defend the children, certainly.
re: Alex probably killed himself with drugs or some kind of medication after he discovered the Law was onto them, he may have even been 'encouraged' to do it by his 'loving' sister!
Yes, I didn't like much of what she said and there were some very suspicious long pauses, but when she sai "two children died, I consider that evil" , that's where I though that immunity wasn't her only or main motivation in testifying. That sentence was the strongest and firmest from all her claims.
Yeah I gained a teeeeeny bit of respect for Zulema after hearing her testify. I agree that response you mentioned was a fist bump 👊🏻 kinda moment. Listen tho. Zulema could easily have just claimed she didn’t remember a ton of these details. It was a long time ago. But she didn’t. The pauses don’t bother me one bit, bc she answered the questions directly. She’s in court, it’s nerve wracking. And these are all things she’s already answered in prior interviews. So she’s not just sitting there pausing bc she’s thinking of a way out/how to dodge a question…
Wasn’t Zulema present at the “casting” which they believed would crash Charles’s car with him and JJ in it? She’s a trip, and she’s just as much a moral vacuum and sick, enabling puppy as the Melanies.
I don’t think the castings were all spiritual. How do you burn, take apart, and bind up. She said “we” came up with the list. That group was a part of the killings!
Wtf?? Don’t start or end a question with “DO YOU REMEMBER“!!!!! That effing drives me crazy. You are handing them an “out” on a silver platter. Just ask the f*cling question. 🤬🤬🤬
Because she took part in it, so she has to elaborate and omit the parts she was acting against the victims, must likely she has cut a deal with prosecution to avoid sentencing for her complicity.
#1 it wasn’t 5 hours, there was another witness before Zulema. #2 she didn’t take forever to answer questions. She was asked a million questions, bc she remembers a lot of information very relevant to this case. Yes she paused before answering, but that’s a good thing in court. You’re under oath in a murder trial. You’re being asked about numerous events from 2018-2019. It is necessary to think before you speak.
@@brandybiscoff9685 That makes a lot of sense. My only complaint was all the ummms but that could be a nervous tick. It has to be nerve rocking to be involved in something like this in any capacity.
zulema's three types of answers: slow and calculated to avoid any context, being as vague as possible to avoid admitting her full involvement. sounds more like her trying to avoid saying what she knows than trying to remember if she knows. fast answer, no ums or pauses, gives actual information and talks over the attny. doesn't know and quickly says no without saying um or thinking about it because she doesn't have to sit there and calculate her words before she answers. THE FACT THAT SHE WANTED HER OWN LAWYER PRESENT TO MAKE SURE SHE DOESN'T INCRIMINATE HERSELF IN ANOTHER PERSON'S TRIAL 🤔🤔
I am beginning to think that part of the reason that they killed Tylee and JJ was that they had been "witnesses" to the mucher of Charles ! They were "offing" everybody else !
@@awright119021 Chad Daybell didn't want anybody to stand in the way of him being with Lori. They were a match made in hell. I read one of Chad's books, simply in an attempt to understand his mind. That book had extremely violent content. It shocked me. Chad played the role of gentle giant, but he is a vile individual. He lusted after Lori from the moment he met her. He unalived his wife and, with Alex, disposed of Tylee and JJ. Within days of his wife's death, he announced that his "new girlfriend" was hot and loaded. With such a toxic duo, it was never going to end well. Melanie Gibb was in Chad's cult long before she brought Lori in. She lied her way through her testimony. I hope that she too will suffer some consequences.
Why Melanie Gibb stuck around Lori after Lori showed how hateful and vengeful she was. She helped hide his stuff, was this power she was gaining, being one of the 144,000, Just too enticing? Such a huge group aware of this affair and how wrong it all was
I wonder after learning all of this about Lori, did her mother and sister seek some type of therapy after publicly stating that they didn’t believe she was capable of hurting her children and gave numerous false statements to combat all the weird behavior that Lori was displaying. How their public performance could of hindered those children being saved.
Lori’s niece Melani Bordeaux was very active in alienating Charles from Brandon’s help and support by characterising him as angry and paranoid and even abusive, and explicitly saying he should be avoided. Brandon only realised, the day he himself was shot at, that Charles’s fears were justified. She and other of these witnesses, meanwhile knew there was indeed homicidal intent against both Charles and JJ. In fact an *attempt* on their lives, as she understood the situation. It was a hokey absurd magic attempt, but she says *she believed* in that stuff. She has a LOT to answer for, but it seems unlikely in this life.
@@mlee_wood3778 And that sister Summer now getting condolenses, support lovey dovey messages from all money people 😠in even though she has never asked for forgiveness from the real victims's families...
@Stirling Nash I think she may have killed Alex with some kind of poison . Eye drops ingested are lethal. There’s antifreeze that disappears before autopsy . Lost of potions that are lethal. I agree with all the said about Zulema , the young naive girl act is sickening. Proclaims to be deeply religious and God fearing too. I’m open to faith and respect other’s beliefs but have none myself . Awful woman she is.
I do not know if Zulema caused the death of Alex Cox. From my understanding, she was not present when he died on her bathroom floor surrounded by his own excrement, and the coroner's report indicated the cause of his death was pulmonary embolism. This isn't uncommon and could be due to many factors, not excluding increased stress brought on by fear of being convicted of murder. Perhaps he had a brief moment of conscience and the guilt got to him and he offed himself. I personally do not respect religious beliefs, as these ideas represent the most infantile of human comprehension, and as none of them are based on any evidence provided through the scientific method, any ridiculous proposition may be cultivated. This case is the result of the types of juvenile fantasies found in most religions.
1.5x faster works for me. Can’t believe the gullibility of some of these people. Have to say though that Lori and Chad where clever manipulators of people. So sorry for both of there families.
@@maryogan215 that’s a definite from what I’ve heard. She wanted to know what was being said and to whom… and if there was anything incriminating her on there, to get rid of it
I KNEW Lori was munchausen by proxy with poor Tylee That comment to Colby about being in the hospital with her all those times!! Idaho just passed firing squad & Lori Chad deserve it 100%
Apparently these people adhered to a strict 'don't ask, don't tell' policy regarding missing children in their family. As well, the worldly viewer, and seer, and all knowing, self-appointed messiah of this motley crew, who sees beyond the 'veil', Chud Dingbat Daybell, was so ignorant he didn't know that the policy holder can remove any beneficiary of an insurance policy without that beneficiary's knowledge or consent.
So sad only allowed a brief mention regarding Joseph Joe Ryan only because of his Life Insurance policy. But...surely he needs to be associated to all the others that have be murdered. After all it was about 1 year before Charles Vallow death that Joseph Ryan was found deceased in his home. Note that there was $$$$$ attached to his death. To close for comfort if ya ask me.
I bet Zulems was intimidated by Lori every time they looked st each other. She sounds so meek and gullible…however, that could be a ploy also…soooo much manipulation & mind games!!!
She chooses her words v e r y carefully. She just up and married Alex and two weeks later he’s dead. Zulemas son that lived with her didn’t know they had gotten married. I think Alex was husband 6 or 7?
"JJ was playing outside with his friends and then he came in and asked for a snack" Just like a real demon. 🙄 These people are insane. if this woman has minor children they should be taken away from her, the same with Melanie Gibb and beautiful but deadly baby machine, Melanie Pawlowski
I have a lot of Mormon friends. They are all still with their first husbands, who they respect, while ruling the roost, take excellent care of their many children, some of which are adopted or taken in, are warm and welcoming, are very devout, and do not talk of dark and light people. People don't die around them. These characters are not representative of the LDS people that I know.
They go to the temple and wear temple underwear and they talk about reincarnation and past lives, and they talk about ruling planets with Joseph Smith ushering them into heaven alongside Jesus.
My sister married into a mormon family and converted to LDS and I can tell you they do teach these things. They just don’t talk about them with non-Mormons. These are their secret teachings that are not taught or spoken of outside the group. It is a cult and occult. Some are chosen by their elders to receive all the secrets based on how well the LDS leadership thinks they are at keeping the secrets.
That is bc she is guilty as sin and is scared to death to let something slip out that will send her to prison. This is called “treading very carefully.”
I’m in the rabbit hole I can’t stand this lady acting like she had seen stuff in the timple but can’t remember them what crap. She know they were having an affair what the hell. Now she saying she thought Chad and Lori were good people.
Why would you skip Alex dying 2 weeks after he got married, and in the midst of the search for 2 missing kids? His niece and nephew....lorries husband, brother, 2 kids, Chad's wife....whom have I missed? And they thought they would get away with it?
This weirdo woman married a guy who appeared just before everyone started dying. Seriously? Then she says she asked Alex "What do you mean you're going to be the fall guy?" Like she didn't know! She's either gullible, stupid, deluded, dishonest or, more likely, a combination of all four. And I love the way she pauses before answering every question. Obviously she's being very careful about what and how she says what she knows. Demons and possession? Crazy. These people are at the level of Junior High girls at a slumber party.
I didn't understand the point of any of the defense questions. Was he trying to make the point that if she believed lori and Chad that they weren't guilty? Or just trying to embarrass her for being gullible? Guess they don't have much to work with 🤷♀️
Same. I can't listen to it. But I wonder if she maybe a has a disorder that influences her thought process. She did say her thoughts are all jumbled. Maybe she has a little PTSD from all this as well? I'm just going to go ahead and skip most of it and look for a summary of her testimony somewhere. I hope the jury handled it better than us.😅
She sounds like she has a lot of trouble composing her thoughts and saying them. There are many possible medical reasons for that and she was asking for Chad to give her blessings for health reasons. I think the comments have a tendency to turn into nothing but a bunch of judgemental insults. It's how she talks and I don't see how people get upset over something like that. Just listen to the words.
@@awright119021 It is some very damning testimony for sure. Don’t mean to poke fun at her, I’m sure that’s how she talks but I just wanna be like spit it out honey
Zulemia is very meek, mild, and in my opinion very gullible. I feel that Lori had her wrapped around her finger hook line and sinker. I hope this woman is getting mental help so all of the horrific information (and being married to Alex for 2 weeks before his death) won't destroy the rest of her entire life. I feel a little sorry for her as she was severely brain washed in my opinion. Just saying......
She was but she was very complicit as well. I also think Alex was supposed to kill her when they did that massage date in the hotel. I think she dodged a bullet, so to speak. Was the one time alex could not bring his evil self to do it.
Yes she may have been all those things. My sympathy for her ends of course when she starts praying for the deaths of Charles and Tammy. It sounds like she might not have known as much as Melanie G. It's impossible to know for sure with these people who have such convenient gaps in their memory. Her police interviews were very interesting too watch.
@@indigoblue4791 but if she believes what they are saying, which she did at the time, then she would think she was casting out demons and saving someone's soul. Sounds crazy to us, but in that moment that's what she thought.
I wish the witness had not when asked " Who's Hippos",. answered " The entity inside Charles VALLOW" . That's a terrible thing to say. Such an answer falling on receptive ears infers that Charles was evil , possessed , with Hippos. Charles didn't have a demonic presence in him ; this was poor wording though I'm sure it was intentional to infer such a thing. Poor Charles. As loving and frightened as he was , seen in videos , always intended to help his wife Lori. Now he's dead. All the people pumping their egos with this demented thinking played along with nothing restraining their fuel and have responsibility in these deaths. They don't need any more validation . I am so sorry for these senseless murders. I acknowledge the texts and emails forensics were very powerful. This LE officer is excellent and appreciated otherwise. DISGUISTING. "Hippos " , "Ned or Garret" are at best monikers they aren't actually real. Instead they're excuses to justify first degree cruel murders. Thankyou. Karen Morente
These cult witnesses all have such an ick factor. I feel like I need a shower after listening. I find it very difficult to believe they weren't involved in support roles in these murders. Now they are running scared and telling their cult secrets.
I think its her son in law who is one and she was invoking lawyer before she ever got interrogated and she managed to get an immunity for her testimony and it did come out that her lawyer is in the audience and a lot of people are saying the reason she said she was distracted was because she was looking at him for guidance from the stand at times ☕️
She had a spiritual connection with 7-11 and her goddess Slurpee! But that goddess was attacked by the demon Big Gulp so they brought in the healer Nachos to fix everything! 😂😂😂
This prosecutor has the most patient professional I have no idea how she does it! getting answers from this woman . .I am trying to catch up on this trial. Its like come on lady answer the questions!
I just Googled more information on Alex and zulena..it said Alex was a massage therapist. They went down to Walmart and bought a tarp to spread on the bed for her to lay on while he massaged her. She said she had trouble waking up and stayed almost unconscious but could hear him talking in the other room which he denied when she questioned him. Now I am a massage therapist and I have a table made especially for massage therapy. My lotions and oils have never stained my sheets.. .so was he trying to kill her?
Man the prosecutor is so loud and then the witnesses are so low and the judge its like i gota lower it when when the prosecutor speaks. I dont get why the audio is so drastically different.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Its really annoying and frustrating. Almost makes me not want to even attempt to listen to anymore of this terrible audio and just wait for the book and movie to come out.
I cannot believe it ended like that. 😩 Def atty just walked Zulema to the edge and did NOTHING!! How anti-climatic. He’s right there talking about how these entire castes are all “verbal” (so no real harm can be done keeping things so innocent), yet she’s admitted that the body has to die for real, but he doesn’t go there. Ugh!! Now Zulema has a 3-day weekend to prepare to downplay the rest of her testimony. The State better re-direct and get Z to explain. And somebody/anybody BETTER make Z explain to the Jury the text she sent to Chad within 24 hours of Tammy dying saying God is “wonderful” and that she’s already had a vision of helping a bride in white getting ready to marry him. 😤🤯
@Stirling Nash I don’t approve of cult type religions and I’m agnostic ( just incase ) with a huge dash of atheism. I think most religion is crowd control. Some churches do some good deeds for the community etc Personally I can be charitable by my own choice . I don’t need a place or rules to guide me in being kind . I still think it’s down to personal choice whether you worship or join a religion. As long as I’m not having their point of view rammed down my throat , I’m ok with them doing as they believe. Sounds awful re Alex’s condition re his demise . I didn’t know Zumela wasn’t there , thanks for that . Stress is a killer . Thinking of that , I’m now not surprised. I don’t know if I’ve fully explained myself clearly re religion here but I hope you get the gist of my thoughts etc . I’m an open minded and each to their own type of person but would not condone any cruel or wicked actions under the guise of religion etc. This trial reveals some shocking events and exposes the wicked actions of others . I’m reading chat to fill in some blanks in this case as it’s hard to watch everything . I hope justice is served for the poor victims . I feel very sad for everyone hurt by these evil events . I’ve certainly am learning about what can lie underneath the facade of religion when in the wrong hands .
Ok, except religions have never been benign, and the most fundamentally religious societies in the world today have the worst quality of life and the least human rights. The societies today that are the most secular have the highest quality of life and the greatest human rights. It's simply a fact.
I've got the playback speed on 1.75 and there are still huge spaces, many many seconds long, zulema just zoning out or whatever it is she's doing. I don't know who deemef her appropriate for being a witness but I think she should have just made a statement , some sort of affidavit, and entered into the record. She just was not witness appropriate
3:35:24 OMG!! Did Zulema just say under oath on the witness stand she keeps a journal? For the very first time I feel a little grace. I was always so furious that these people KNEW how important their testimonies are (MG and ZP, and hopefully MP), yet they constantly claim they don’t remember. MG wrote a book for Christ sake, u think she could jot down a few key notes and dates to get justice for these murder victims. 😤
I wonder what the church that these people were apart of thinks about all these radical beliefs and their actions with castings and meetings outside of the church in the name of Jesus Christ.
This Zulema character must have cut a deal with the prosecution to gain immunity in exchange for her testimony, otherwise she would have been charged as a co-conspirator and accessory to these crimes. It’s absurd and annoying how the prosecutors and the investigators who interviewed her all treat her like a child and speak to her as if she’s so fragile. She’s a grown woman who has been married several times and has adult children. This sickly sweet act she puts on is just furtherance of her grift. She’s a liar just as every other person who claims to be psychic and the childlike act she plays is to gain trust so she can con people out of money. She’s not meek or mild she’s devious and dishonest on every level.
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As a highly qualified psychiatrist once said: there is a lot of strength in 'her' weakness! FACT right here... Z is a perfect example of that 😡
Truth! Thank you for saying so. ❤
Thank you for writing exactly what I have been thinking. This little girlie girl meek and trusting act is her SCHTICK.
I couldn’t agree with you more. She is up to her neck in it and should be prosecuted. It’s absolutely despicable how she will get away with her part in this. Those who knew what was going on, Melanie, Zulema etc could of prevented al those who were murdered. They are all guilt. Let’s just hope that Karma catches up with them.
During Zulemas testimony, I recommend people to turn the speed on to 1.5 or 1.25 depending, but there's a loooot of pauses and coughs and ums.
Umm thanks
Thank you
Mmmm yeah I had to speed her up umm she was umm driving me crazy Umm ( coughs)
in general, her testimony is brutal to listen to
also, thanks for the playback speed advice.. the only way I can listen...let's see how long I last
Am I the only one that thinks this woman is not the brightest star on the tree? 🤦♀️
Nope
It’s so sad to see women attacking this poor woman without knowledge of her health issues. She turned over everything she had to law enforcement to help arrest these aholes! Let’s have compassion for her!
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🐑 yes, however South American people believe in all these things like demon possession etc. however I think they built Z up so she would take out A. And they wanted to worship c and L so she did what her most important mission they told her about . In my humble opinion of course. Also if you think an angel came down from heaven and spoke with JOSEPH SMITH! And that said smith dude could only read some gold tablets with a seeing stone. And no one else saw said tablets. You can fall for anything. Just my opinion. If the LDS people
Took a step back they would realize god isn’t the center of their very organized ritualistic religion but a man, Joseph Smith seems to be their messiah. Sick and wrong. If you read the Bible and are a believer (I study religion, I do not partake) then you would know the Bible says you cannot add or detract from the scriptures.
This does not sound like Mormonism it sounds like Black magic and witchcraft.
Mormonism is just as ludicrous.
It’s LDS at its very core. Here’s a quote from the church’s third prophet: “You may dig your graves and we will slay you and you may crawl into them.” Nov. 8, 1857. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. v, p. 34-)
John Taylor (1 November 1808 - 25 July 1887) was an English-born religious leader who served as the third president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Here’s a book review:
The Avenging Angel of Mormonism
Reviewed in the United States on August 20, 2021
The Danites were a 19th Century secret group of Mormons who terrorized the enemies of the Church. They included men like Bill Hickman, John D. Lee and their chief, Orrin Porter Rockwell. The Danites were known to harass, intimidate, steal from and kill the foes of the LDS Church. Rockwell is assumed to be the one who attempted to assassinate former Missouri Governor Boggs. This book covers Rockwell's life and activities so much as they can be pieced together. Early Mormon doctrine included the curious concept of "Blood Atonement" wherein a wayward Saint's blood had to be shed to wash away his sins. Slitting the throat was a favorite method used in Danite justice. A less holy way was to ambush someone and shoot them in the back. Danite murders were often blamed on Indians. Once Brigham Young set up his theocratic rule in Utah few apostates from the church made it out of the Great Basin alive. Gentile travelers were often exploited, taxed, robbed and even killed as they passed through the territory. Rockwell might have been responsible for as many as 100 killings. Though authorities might charge him, no Mormon jury would ever convict him. He grew his hair and beard long because "Holy" Joe Smith told him he could never be harmed by a bullet if he did. To make sure, he never faced his prey or gave them any chance to defend themselves. This book has extensive references, but the footnoting isn't very detailed. None of the pictures from the print version are in the E-book. A great read for the Mormon historian, not much appreciated by actual Mormons.
Are they really prophets when none of their prophesies come to fruition? Mormonism is a cult. Lori and Chad took it to the next level and me came their own cult. It’s so hard to believe there are so many gullible people with no thinking skills
Yup. Scary cult
What part of “thou shalt not kill,” “thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife” and “thou shalt not bear false witness” do these people not understand?
The reason why lorie took all of Charles stuff away from him was because she's a hate filled vengeful woman, bent on destroying anyone who made her hate list or was in her way of what she wanted. Like a bulldozer lorie would go after her victim's full force, even to the point of murder. It wasn't enough for her to just murder, she wanted them to suffer.
@Mickey Kyker Eagerly encouraged by loinfire Chad Daybell. When he zoomed in on her, he told friends she was "hot and loaded". This was just days after he unalived his wife. They were birds of a feather. His books are full of extreme violence. Reading one of them, having seen footage of that outwardly "meek hero" was shocking. He has a very dark soul.
That is so true.
Yeah, that's the lady in a nutshell. Imagine the rage that she spews when she isn't the center of attention...
I felt she did that to create a confrontation so they could kill him.
@@elizabethgrogan8553 w
I don't remember her talking in this baby doll voice when she was interviewed by the police.
Chad and Lori giving marriage advice is Rich!!! 😂
1: Casting
2: zombie Spells
3: Zuzu Earth Wind and Fire routine
4: check if you’re still the beneficiary on life insurance
5: kill them
Chad and Loris nuggets
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
She is the biggest liar! She should have been prosecuted, too. She knows a lot more and should have gone down with them.
Let’s all take a drink every time Zulema says, “ummm”. We be drunk in 5 minutes y’all 😂
The prosecutor is also dropping the ummm’s. So annoying
@@dcollins8170 must be contagious ..ummmm let’s hope …ummm it’s not gonna mmm be a pandemic
@@maryogan215 seriously she was driving me nuts. Speeded her right up to 2.25x 😂😂😂
@@anafbri04 lol I had to take breaks during it.could have possibly been used to distract train of thought but she’s a dingbat and I had really wanted to here hers too…maddening
What is wrong with this women?? Simple yes or no answers, but she have to think a minute to answer? Something is not right here.
Defense attorney reminds me of Chris Farley when he would do those interviews with awkward questions with awkward follow up.
Like when he asked Paul McCartney, "You remember when you were with the Beatles?"
Paul McCartney : Yes.
Chris Farley : That was awesome.
The prosecutor doing a great job!
This trial’s attorneys and judge as well as Stauch trial’s attorney’s and judge are so professional and polite. It’s a nice change from what we’ve seen in recent past.
Alex Murdaugh's Judge was super fantastic also. Super kind and fair. Of course his defense attorney Dick H. was not.
@@dancer49lives6 Defence attorneys often have little to defend. It is certainly the case here. However, I support the fact that defendants are entitled to a fair trial. I don't criticize defence attorneys. They are an integral part of a free and fair trial system.
@@dancer49lives6 devils advocate here…I didn’t like Murdaughs judge. I feel like he was biased in favor of the prosecution. I think he made a few bad calls that will help Murdaugh on appeals. The financial judgement (to let in all of the financial crimes) was a mistake. They proved he was a thief and a liar. They didn’t prove he murdered his family. He probably did, but imo they didn’t prove that with evidence of that crime, they proved he was capable of fraud. Just my opinion. I understand yours.
@@sarac1118 you seem to be blaming that judge for the mistakes of the defence team. He made a ruling to say they shouldn’t come in. Defence bought it up. They made it fair game.
The financial crimes established motive for the murders. He didn’t want the wife to know, and figured if he tried to cast himself as a victim the fraud allegations and investigation would disappear. Very relevant to the murder charges. Similar to the extramarital affair in this case as well. It establishes motive.
I've never heard " ummm, ummm " used so much in my life. Every second word is " ummm".
@Cheryl Butler I wonder if the attorney is doing it because the witness is? Regardless, it's quite painful to listen to!
@@cherylbutler2452 Yes!! I noticed that too!😂
@@icyqueen8296 I think the prosecutor is mimicking the witness' abnormal speech pattern so as to make it appear to the jury as less bizarre and irritating. As if to indicate that many people use the language mechanism, just perhaps not in such an extreme manner. It think it is actually an attempt by the witness at exaggerating her lack of fluency in English, so it can be used as excusing her comprehension of what the accused were conspiring to do. The witness is trying to appear as though she doesn't understand the English language therefore she is searching for the correct words and uses 'um' as a placeholder until she comes up with the correct word. I'm not buying it, the 'ums' are just more of her con, as is the innocent, child like voice and demeanor. It's all just more of her con and grift. The accused relied on this same ploy, the sweet, vulnerable, unassuming woman who would never hurt a flea, when in fact they are cunning, devious, and apparently quite dangerous.
It’s driving me mad !! 😅
There is an excellent interview with Heather Daybell, she is married to Matthew Daybell, Chad's brother.
She is very well spoken and tells the truth about Chad, Tammy, Lori and LDS.
Heather had Chad figured out before she married his brother.
where did you see/read this interview?
@@TiggersTuna There are 3 parts. ruclips.net/video/DoiFMYmrRRg/видео.html&ab_channel=HiddenTrueCrime
@@TiggersTuna ruclips.net/video/DoiFMYmrRRg/видео.html
@@TiggersTuna hidden true crime interview with heather daybell on youtube
Good interview.
She sounds guilty AF! Melanie gibb didn’t take near as long to answer anything and way more confident in her answers. And she didn’t receive a “blessing”, Z did. I think she’s pausing so much to make sure she answers innocently.
Melanie Gibb lied through her teeth and was well rehearsed not to further purger herself if you review the two testimonies you can hear clearly how Melanie Gibb won't go into much detail as Zulema Pastenes and to the questions she knows answers to she replies "I don't recall" don't get me wrong in the end the both of them should pay for their capability and involvement.Blatenly this was a cult and all the members should be held accountable.
Melanies probably practiced better. Melanie Gibb apparently had a podcast 😅and also gave interviews. She's had practice
love the prosecution lady. I feel bad for the defense they have nothing to work with. I am wondering why Lori didn't just plead guilty and try and get a slightly more favorable sentence.I mean does she really think there is even one in a million that she ll be acquitted?
Yes, she thinks Jesus will save her.
@@johnnyweekend 😳
She thrives on being the centre of attention. Any way she can get it.
Prosecutor is great.
Maybe she’s hoping the second coming will happen before the guilty verdict comes in
First there was a sniffer, now we have a um er. Sign of a liar 😡
Lori and Chad are a 'done deal'. Send them both off to permanent prison and then focus on all their guilty enablers. Those who had also hoped to gain from victimizing and eliminating innocent men, women and children. They all eagerly awaited a 'pay day' of some description.
You know Z knew. And Lori can’t argue with her. Because she would implicate herself. Why would you marry a man you barely knew? In the 911 call her son was confused about the nature of their relationship. He didn’t say my moms husband, he said I think it’s my moms bf. So we know what important mission chad and Lori sent her on. Mmmhhhmm
She is so annoying with all the umms but think she’s scared off Lori
Yeah definitely signs that she still believes in Lori and Chad’s “teachings” and “castings.” 😧
I cannot help but wonder if Tylee hit Alex with the bat… his head wound would have been much worse if Charles hit him and Charles sounded very sensible and calm in prior recordings. Or Lori hit Alex to make the story “appear” truthful. Tylee seemed to be catching on to things…everything sounds so planned and staged …
Omg. I pride myself on being smart but I never thought of that, but not as a plan to get Charles but to stop Alex, but honestly I don't think Tylee hit Alex with the bat. Unless she did when she went back in to get the purse and alex made her. Didn't she say lori left right as shots went off and then made Tylee go back in, and she saw what Alex did and she hit Alex out of rage or he told her that if she didn't they'd all go to jail and she'd be saving the family. Making her do an act is insurance for Alex and Lori that she stays quiet. I think if she complied with their wishes though, she wouldn't be considered dark. She'd be seen as light and on their side. Regardless, tylee and jj did not deserve to die and it hurts me every time I think about it. My kids are 14 and 4 and I could never even think of hurting them, let alone think of someone else doing it for me like lori did. I think Alex's death was damn good timing for the timeline, stress induced heart attack or a clot or murder or suicide or whatever, that was out with a bang.
@@TaurusWitch29 Charles had given her a jeep around that time, which would solidify loyalty, or is the Lori reward for cooperation from Tylee. Then Alex ends up with the jeep.
There's a police interview with Tylee on RUclips that disputes your theory, unfortunately.
I think Alex hit himself over the head. If Charles hit Alex, he (Alex) would have gone down and out!
@@judynickens6329 If Charles was shot once but didn’t go down immediately, he may have taken a swing at Alex, but partly disabled. He was shot twice.
Just forget the trial and throw her in a cell with Jodi Arias, Chris Watts and Scot Peterson, just to name a few. Make sure there I no doors or windows. Feed them bred and water only. NEVER EVER LET THEM OUT, EXCEPT IN A COFFIN !!!
Horrible monster! Poor Charles new what was going on…found them out! And they killed him so very sad.
Several of them knew what was going on.
They believed in magic.
They were there when Lori &Chad made a magical attempt to crash the car with Charles and little JJ in it.
So they were fine in principle with ending those lives. Far from giving Charles a heads up and helping him get the children to protect them - they at best shut up, and they even helped to gaslight Charles, which removed his ability to defend the children, certainly.
re: Alex probably killed himself with drugs or some kind of medication after he discovered the Law was onto them, he may have even been 'encouraged' to do it by his 'loving' sister!
I think z did it
I’m torn between the 2options. After hearing how surprised Lori was when Melanie Gibb told her what Alex said about JJ
Zulema was a trip. I’m glad she said that Chad & Lori did EVIL deeds that led to the death of two children and a mother of five. Boom!
Yes, I didn't like much of what she said and there were some very suspicious long pauses, but when she sai "two children died, I consider that evil" , that's where I though that immunity wasn't her only or main motivation in testifying. That sentence was the strongest and firmest from all her claims.
Yeah I gained a teeeeeny bit of respect for Zulema after hearing her testify. I agree that response you mentioned was a fist bump 👊🏻 kinda moment.
Listen tho. Zulema could easily have just claimed she didn’t remember a ton of these details. It was a long time ago. But she didn’t. The pauses don’t bother me one bit, bc she answered the questions directly. She’s in court, it’s nerve wracking. And these are all things she’s already answered in prior interviews. So she’s not just sitting there pausing bc she’s thinking of a way out/how to dodge a question…
Wasn’t Zulema present at the “casting” which they believed would crash Charles’s car with him and JJ in it? She’s a trip, and she’s just as much a moral vacuum and sick, enabling puppy as the Melanies.
I don’t think the castings were all spiritual. How do you burn, take apart, and bind up. She said “we” came up with the list. That group was a part of the killings!
Wtf?? Don’t start or end a question with “DO YOU REMEMBER“!!!!! That effing drives me crazy. You are handing them an “out” on a silver platter. Just ask the f*cling question. 🤬🤬🤬
five hours. wow. can someone please tell me why did she take so long to elaborate and answer the questions? nobody could be that prolix
Because she took part in it, so she has to elaborate and omit the parts she was acting against the victims, must likely she has cut a deal with prosecution to avoid sentencing for her complicity.
#1 it wasn’t 5 hours, there was another witness before Zulema. #2 she didn’t take forever to answer questions. She was asked a million questions, bc she remembers a lot of information very relevant to this case. Yes she paused before answering, but that’s a good thing in court. You’re under oath in a murder trial. You’re being asked about numerous events from 2018-2019. It is necessary to think before you speak.
@@brandybiscoff9685 That makes a lot of sense. My only complaint was all the ummms but that could be a nervous tick. It has to be nerve rocking to be involved in something like this in any capacity.
@@brandybiscoff9685
You are under oath in any trial.
She spoke awfully slow and her "ummmmmm" drove me nuts
zulema's three types of answers:
slow and calculated to avoid any context, being as vague as possible to avoid admitting her full involvement. sounds more like her trying to avoid saying what she knows than trying to remember if she knows.
fast answer, no ums or pauses, gives actual information and talks over the attny.
doesn't know and quickly says no without saying um or thinking about it because she doesn't have to sit there and calculate her words before she answers.
THE FACT THAT SHE WANTED HER OWN LAWYER PRESENT TO MAKE SURE SHE DOESN'T INCRIMINATE HERSELF IN ANOTHER PERSON'S TRIAL 🤔🤔
I am beginning to think that part of the reason that they killed Tylee and JJ was that they had been "witnesses" to the mucher of Charles ! They were "offing" everybody else !
All about money
Loose ends is what they were. That and the money was the by product
If they weren't worth money to lori, she would've just given them away and not involved them in the murder.
@@awright119021 Chad Daybell didn't want anybody to stand in the way of him being with Lori. They were a match made in hell. I read one of Chad's books, simply in an attempt to understand his mind. That book had extremely violent content. It shocked me. Chad played the role of gentle giant, but he is a vile individual. He lusted after Lori from the moment he met her. He unalived his wife and, with Alex, disposed of Tylee and JJ. Within days of his wife's death, he announced that his "new girlfriend" was hot and loaded. With such a toxic duo, it was never going to end well. Melanie Gibb was in Chad's cult long before she brought Lori in. She lied her way through her testimony. I hope that she too will suffer some consequences.
Why Melanie Gibb stuck around Lori after Lori showed how hateful and vengeful she was. She helped hide his stuff, was this power she was gaining, being one of the 144,000, Just too enticing? Such a huge group aware of this affair and how wrong it all was
How anyone buys into this crap is absolutely beyond me.
I wish this had a live chat so we could all talk! 😂
I wonder after learning all of this about Lori, did her mother and sister seek some type of therapy after publicly stating that they didn’t believe she was capable of hurting her children and gave numerous false statements to combat all the weird behavior that Lori was displaying. How their public performance could of hindered those children being saved.
i think the sister knew way more and was ok with it. The texts she sent to Alex the day he murdered Charles are suspicious to say the least
Lori’s niece Melani Bordeaux was very active in alienating Charles from Brandon’s help and support by characterising him as angry and paranoid and even abusive, and explicitly saying he should be avoided. Brandon only realised, the day he himself was shot at, that Charles’s fears were justified.
She and other of these witnesses, meanwhile knew there was indeed homicidal intent against both Charles and JJ. In fact an *attempt* on their lives, as she understood the situation.
It was a hokey absurd magic attempt, but she says *she believed* in that stuff.
She has a LOT to answer for, but it seems unlikely in this life.
@@mlee_wood3778 And that sister Summer now getting condolenses, support lovey dovey messages from all money people 😠in even though she has never asked for forgiveness from the real victims's families...
Why did Alex marry this old woman
@@katherineharvey5663 But he was old himself... l am wondering the opposite how could she marry a murderer?
@Stirling Nash I think she may have killed Alex with some kind of poison . Eye drops ingested are lethal. There’s antifreeze that disappears before autopsy . Lost of potions that are lethal.
I agree with all the said about Zulema , the young naive girl act is sickening.
Proclaims to be deeply religious and God fearing too.
I’m open to faith and respect other’s beliefs but have none myself .
Awful woman she is.
I do not know if Zulema caused the death of Alex Cox. From my understanding, she was not present when he died on her bathroom floor surrounded by his own excrement, and the coroner's report indicated the cause of his death was pulmonary embolism. This isn't uncommon and could be due to many factors, not excluding increased stress brought on by fear of being convicted of murder. Perhaps he had a brief moment of conscience and the guilt got to him and he offed himself.
I personally do not respect religious beliefs, as these ideas represent the most infantile of human comprehension, and as none of them are based on any evidence provided through the scientific method, any ridiculous proposition may be cultivated. This case is the result of the types of juvenile fantasies found in most religions.
Alex committed suicide.
The count is 6, 2 husbands, 2 children, lovers wife, brother who is Lori's righthand man. Am I missing anyone?
Don't forget her older sister who died very young, and with only Alex at the time....
1.5x faster works for me. Can’t believe the gullibility of some of these people. Have to say though that Lori and Chad where clever manipulators of people. So sorry for both of there families.
You can tell this chic is nervous and hiding info..
Maybe or maybe she is terrified. People that talked against lori and chad are dead
@@joewright6095 she’s terrified of going to prison she’s definitely flaky she’s apparently a cuddle therapist lol
Lori taking Charles phone that am was to lure him into the house where Alex was waiting for him..
Also, is is just me, or are they all idiots for leaving a child who is autistic in a car alone??
She probably wanted to get rid of incriminating texts photos too
@@maryogan215 that’s a definite from what I’ve heard. She wanted to know what was being said and to whom… and if there was anything incriminating her on there, to get rid of it
The covid caugher needs to make a Dr. App. And stay home
Today it's a lot of Zulema
I KNEW Lori was munchausen by proxy with poor Tylee
That comment to Colby about being in the hospital with her all those times!!
Idaho just passed firing squad & Lori
Chad deserve it 100%
Apparently these people adhered to a strict 'don't ask, don't tell' policy regarding missing children in their family. As well, the worldly viewer, and seer, and all knowing, self-appointed messiah of this motley crew, who sees beyond the 'veil', Chud Dingbat Daybell, was so ignorant he didn't know that the policy holder can remove any beneficiary of an insurance policy without that beneficiary's knowledge or consent.
He is not a very bright individual. How tf anyone could follow that buffoon is mind boggling.
It’s painful to listen to her testimony .its like pulling teeth.
THE ASMR IS KILLING ME!!!!! I really want to hear the testimony but OMG 😡😡😡😡
Zulema was a participant in these murders.
So sad only allowed a brief mention regarding Joseph Joe Ryan only because of his Life Insurance policy. But...surely he needs to be associated to all the others that have be murdered. After all it was about 1 year before Charles Vallow death that Joseph Ryan was found deceased in his home. Note that there was $$$$$ attached to his death. To close for comfort if ya ask me.
I'd like to know how anyone can claim to know about your prior life when they don't even know anything about you in this life! What utter bullshit
I bet Zulems was intimidated by Lori every time they looked st each other. She sounds so meek and gullible…however, that could be a ploy also…soooo much manipulation & mind games!!!
zulema is very dumb.
Yeah I had to keep speeding up the video to 1.25 or 1.5 just to get through it
She chooses her words v e r y carefully. She just up and married Alex and two weeks later he’s dead. Zulemas son that lived with her didn’t know they had gotten married. I think Alex was husband 6 or 7?
@@sherylbarry9143
That shows you how good she is at hiding things.
Meek and gullible...pfff, hardly
"JJ was playing outside with his friends and then he came in and asked for a snack"
Just like a real demon. 🙄
These people are insane. if this woman has minor children they should be taken away from her, the same with Melanie Gibb and beautiful but deadly baby machine, Melanie
Pawlowski
I guess I am more intelligent than I thought.
Crazy how anyone can believe this trash I would laugh my ass off if someone told me this
Someone tell these fools that evil is dark and love is light! Judge them by their fruit.
I have to say, Mr. Archibald is a likable attorney, so gentle and assuming.
IMO Zulema Pastenes comes across as a very naïve simpleton.
Christo! She is crazy and loves to talk.
Tell us more, Zulema… 😜
I wonder if Alex took himself out. Aren't there drugs that simulate heart attack?
It was blood clots in his lungs. There are many things from meds to plants and herbs that can make blood clot.
Something about the malachite always makes me wonder.
Their beliefs are absolutely horrifying
I have a lot of Mormon friends. They are all still with their first husbands, who they respect, while ruling the roost, take excellent care of their many children, some of which are adopted or taken in, are warm and welcoming, are very devout, and do not talk of dark and light people. People don't die around them.
These characters are not representative of the LDS people that I know.
They go to the temple and wear temple underwear and they talk about reincarnation and past lives, and they talk about ruling planets with Joseph Smith ushering them into heaven alongside Jesus.
My sister married into a mormon family and converted to LDS and I can tell you they do teach these things. They just don’t talk about them with non-Mormons. These are their secret teachings that are not taught or spoken of outside the group. It is a cult and occult. Some are chosen by their elders to receive all the secrets based on how well the LDS leadership thinks they are at keeping the secrets.
Have you watched Sister Wives? They are practicing the mormon belief in polygamy that was established by the LDS founder Joseph Smith.
@@HeatherRose2023 Bingo!
The way she continually pauses makes it seem like she has a listening device and is being instructed. ? It’s odd
That is bc she is guilty as sin and is scared to death to let something slip out that will send her to prison. This is called “treading very carefully.”
The same thing came to my mind. She has some device that is instructiong her how to answer.
I’m in the rabbit hole I can’t stand this lady acting like she had seen stuff in the timple but can’t remember them what crap. She know they were having an affair what the hell. Now she saying she thought Chad and Lori were good people.
I have listen to her testimony so many times it is really interesting
Um,um,um,um,um,She said, um,um,um,Chad,um,um,Alex,um,um,fire,um,zombies,um,blessing,um,um.
She also stated “ a bunch clears throat and I don’t remember “ 😂😂😂
If she says, "um" one more time. Even the attorneys say it a lot.
Why would you skip Alex dying 2 weeks after he got married, and in the midst of the search for 2 missing kids? His niece and nephew....lorries husband, brother, 2 kids, Chad's wife....whom have I missed? And they thought they would get away with it?
This weirdo woman married a guy who appeared just before everyone started dying. Seriously? Then she says she asked Alex "What do you mean you're going to be the fall guy?" Like she didn't know! She's either gullible, stupid, deluded, dishonest or, more likely, a combination of all four. And I love the way she pauses before answering every question. Obviously she's being very careful about what and how she says what she knows. Demons and possession? Crazy. These people are at the level of Junior High girls at a slumber party.
I didn't understand the point of any of the defense questions. Was he trying to make the point that if she believed lori and Chad that they weren't guilty? Or just trying to embarrass her for being gullible? Guess they don't have much to work with 🤷♀️
He could have skipped cross.
Could someone please ask the judge to speak up lolz
Please stop saying “UM”! I’m so triggered rn!
About 3 ums in every sentence
Same. I can't listen to it.
But I wonder if she maybe a has a disorder that influences her thought process. She did say her thoughts are all jumbled.
Maybe she has a little PTSD from all this as well?
I'm just going to go ahead and skip most of it and look for a summary of her testimony somewhere.
I hope the jury handled it better than us.😅
She sounds like she has a lot of trouble composing her thoughts and saying them. There are many possible medical reasons for that and she was asking for Chad to give her blessings for health reasons.
I think the comments have a tendency to turn into nothing but a bunch of judgemental insults. It's how she talks and I don't see how people get upset over something like that. Just listen to the words.
Not only is the witness doing it, but also the prosecutor. It's seriously hard to listen to this.
@@awright119021 It is some very damning testimony for sure. Don’t mean to poke fun at her, I’m sure that’s how she talks but I just wanna be like spit it out honey
Lori was getting $6,000 a month in SS benefits, $2,000 per person? I'm sorry, what?!?!
Zulemia is very meek, mild, and in my opinion very gullible. I feel that Lori had her wrapped around her finger hook line and sinker. I hope this woman is getting mental help so all of the horrific information (and being married to Alex for 2 weeks before his death) won't destroy the rest of her entire life. I feel a little sorry for her as she was severely brain washed in my opinion. Just saying......
She was but she was very complicit as well. I also think Alex was supposed to kill her when they did that massage date in the hotel. I think she dodged a bullet, so to speak. Was the one time alex could not bring his evil self to do it.
But he could help kill the children more loyal to her then the kids
Yes she may have been all those things.
My sympathy for her ends of course when she starts praying for the deaths of Charles and Tammy.
It sounds like she might not have known as much as Melanie G. It's impossible to know for sure with these people who have such convenient gaps in their memory. Her police interviews were very interesting too watch.
@@indigoblue4791 but if she believes what they are saying, which she did at the time, then she would think she was casting out demons and saving someone's soul. Sounds crazy to us, but in that moment that's what she thought.
She wasn't so meek in the police interview....
I wish the witness had not when asked " Who's Hippos",. answered " The entity inside Charles VALLOW" . That's a terrible thing to say. Such an answer falling on receptive ears infers that Charles was evil , possessed , with Hippos. Charles didn't have a demonic presence in him ; this was poor wording though I'm sure it was intentional to infer such a thing. Poor Charles. As loving and frightened as he was , seen in videos , always intended to help his wife Lori. Now he's dead. All the people pumping their egos with this demented thinking played along with nothing restraining their fuel and have responsibility in these deaths. They don't need any more validation . I am so sorry for these senseless murders. I acknowledge the texts and emails forensics were very powerful. This LE officer is excellent and appreciated otherwise. DISGUISTING. "Hippos " , "Ned or Garret" are at best monikers they aren't actually real. Instead they're excuses to justify first degree cruel murders. Thankyou. Karen Morente
Don’t worry about it: Hiplos was just something Chad Daybell made up.
Don’t give it any more power than if the jerk had called him a jerk.
I think this trial should be cut short, save tax dollars and put this lori vallow away, lose the key
For God's sake, get her some coffee.
These cult witnesses all have such an ick factor. I feel like I need a shower after listening. I find it very difficult to believe they weren't involved in support roles in these murders. Now they are running scared and telling their cult secrets.
Zulema Pastenes' testimony starts at 1:24:37
Do any of you think Lori will actually testify??
No.
1) her attorneys win’ let her.
2) she has never spoken out in her defense before so why would she now? She is a coward.
No.
Wait till Lori starts talking about zombies in prison😂She is going to be surrounded by some dark stuff everywhere.
Why does it take her so long to answer !!!!!!
Defense was leading with ending his questions with "right" prosecutors should've objected to that line of questioning.
This Z woman better have her own attorney, period because just like some of the other women in Lori's special group....she knows alot more.....period.
I think its her son in law who is one and she was invoking lawyer before she ever got interrogated and she managed to get an immunity for her testimony and it did come out that her lawyer is in the audience and a lot of people are saying the reason she said she was distracted was because she was looking at him for guidance from the stand at times ☕️
She had a spiritual connection with 7-11 and her goddess Slurpee! But that goddess was attacked by the demon Big Gulp so they brought in the healer Nachos to fix everything! 😂😂😂
This prosecutor has the most patient professional I have no idea how she does it! getting answers from this woman . .I am trying to catch up on this trial. Its like come on lady answer the questions!
Lori took all of Charles stuff so she can lure him into the house and start a fight.
I just Googled more information on Alex and zulena..it said Alex was a massage therapist. They went down to Walmart and bought a tarp to spread on the bed for her to lay on while he massaged her. She said she had trouble waking up and stayed almost unconscious but could hear him talking in the other room which he denied when she questioned him. Now I am a massage therapist and I have a table made especially for massage therapy. My lotions and oils have never stained my sheets.. .so was he trying to kill her?
The spectators needed only to remember one thing. Silence your cellphones.
Man the prosecutor is so loud and then the witnesses are so low and the judge its like i gota lower it when when the prosecutor speaks. I dont get why the audio is so drastically different.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Its really annoying and frustrating. Almost makes me not want to even attempt to listen to anymore of this terrible audio and just wait for the book and movie to come out.
@@elledubbleyew5399 right.
Thos audio thing is ridiculous .
SHE SAYS UUMMMM LIKE CHRIS WATTS SAYS LIKE
They sure skipped over Alex Cox death
Reminds me of trumplicans
I cannot believe it ended like that. 😩 Def atty just walked Zulema to the edge and did NOTHING!! How anti-climatic. He’s right there talking about how these entire castes are all “verbal” (so no real harm can be done keeping things so innocent), yet she’s admitted that the body has to die for real, but he doesn’t go there. Ugh!! Now Zulema has a 3-day weekend to prepare to downplay the rest of her testimony. The State better re-direct and get Z to explain. And somebody/anybody BETTER make Z explain to the Jury the text she sent to Chad within 24 hours of Tammy dying saying God is “wonderful” and that she’s already had a vision of helping a bride in white getting ready to marry him. 😤🤯
@Stirling Nash I don’t approve of cult type religions and I’m agnostic ( just incase ) with a huge dash of atheism.
I think most religion is crowd control.
Some churches do some good deeds for the community etc
Personally I can be charitable by my own choice . I don’t need a place or rules to guide me in being kind .
I still think it’s down to personal choice whether you worship or join a religion.
As long as I’m not having their point of view rammed down my throat , I’m ok with them doing as they believe.
Sounds awful re Alex’s condition re his demise . I didn’t know Zumela wasn’t there , thanks for that .
Stress is a killer . Thinking of that , I’m now not surprised.
I don’t know if I’ve fully explained myself clearly re religion here but I hope you get the gist of my thoughts etc .
I’m an open minded and each to their own type of person but would not condone any cruel or wicked actions under the guise of religion etc.
This trial reveals some shocking events and exposes the wicked actions of others . I’m reading chat to fill in some blanks in this case as it’s hard to watch everything .
I hope justice is served for the poor victims . I feel very sad for everyone hurt by these evil events .
I’ve certainly am learning about what can lie underneath the facade of religion when in the wrong hands .
Ok, except religions have never been benign, and the most fundamentally religious societies in the world today have the worst quality of life and the least human rights. The societies today that are the most secular have the highest quality of life and the greatest human rights. It's simply a fact.
Here's a summary: "Um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um... um..." 😏
That's why they killed Charles. And the 1 million insurance
Defense Attorney did more damage than anything in his cross exam of zulema… feel bad for this guy getting stuck with this case
This is probably not one he expects to win
How is possible to listen to this if no audio recording is allowed?
I've got the playback speed on 1.75 and there are still huge spaces, many many seconds long, zulema just zoning out or whatever it is she's doing. I don't know who deemef her appropriate for being a witness but I think she should have just made a statement , some sort of affidavit, and entered into the record. She just was not witness appropriate
Was Cox insured ?
All I can say is wow
3:35:24 OMG!! Did Zulema just say under oath on the witness stand she keeps a journal? For the very first time I feel a little grace. I was always so furious that these people KNEW how important their testimonies are (MG and ZP, and hopefully MP), yet they constantly claim they don’t remember. MG wrote a book for Christ sake, u think she could jot down a few key notes and dates to get justice for these murder victims. 😤
I wonder what the church that these people were apart of thinks about all these radical beliefs and their actions with castings and meetings outside of the church in the name of Jesus Christ.