Instead of having presumably ONE author do the entire manga, I think it would make sense to at least have another author do PLA unless they want to actually have the Sinnoh dex holders actually going back in time then they kinda need the author for characterization.
@revolvingworld2676 I would've loved to see a pla arc or even having Moon show up in the swsh manga. But unless the scheduling of Pokémon games slow down, I don't think we will
I feel like the perfect storyline for PLA would be to have all the protagonist reunite/meet up in the current day. That way the fans could see how each one of their lives went as they grew older. In the actual story, it could follow a similar Story as the jewel of life where they get sent back in time to hisui and have to stop volo. I feel like this would be the perfect way to give fans closure on how characters are holding up. Like what would the original trio be like in their 20s. How would these characters interact with the new characters like sun and moon and X and y. What are their jobs? And who gets together
It makes sense why the USUM content had to be shoved into the SM arc, and thus why we never got to see Team Rainbow Rocket in the manga. It's also why the non-main duo games are now being skipped, because there's literally no room in the publication schedule for all those games, and not all those games have enough new content to justify getting adapted in the manga. While that's all understandable, we lost the interconnected nature of the manga world I've come to love so much. Feels like we'll never get to see a big team-up of dex holders like in the Emerald arc. XY incorporated Blue into the story as a mentor figure, but then SwSh couldn't even let Moon interact with the Galar gang (or show us more than her silhouette or feet) even though she played an integral part in the back half of that story. Before this change, there was always a chance that a hero from a previous story might come back to lend a hand, but now it seems we'll never get to see these heroes ever again.
@owo4288 they could do a split story with the Legends: Arceus plot. Spacetime distortions can connect the two eras, and have the older dex holders meet the Sinnoh trio at long last.
BROOO I heard that Black was sealed in the light stone at the end of the Black and White Arc of the manga BUT I DIDN’T KNOW IT WASN’T REVEALED UNTIL MUCH LATER AFTER THE MAIN CHAPTERS WERE FINISHED WTF??? 💀😭✋
Being 10 when BW manga ended and having excitedly awaited each release to that point, the hiatus between BW-9 and BW2-2 was the definition of misery for me.
Wanna know something funny? In Brasil, they decided to translate the manga beginning with the BW manga, and then decided to GO BACK TO RED AND BLUE and have been releasing the entire previous gens before the BW2 manga, with the cliffhanger still there
You'll notice that the arcs of the manga tend to speed through the region a lot faster now. Compare something like the RGB Arc where you see Red go through every route, city, town, and major location and linger there for a little bit to something like the Sword/Shield Arc where I don't believe we even see most of the Gym Battles.
I think it's because of either the game releases or the author and artists are just.. getting tired at this point. They worked on R/S and FR/LF and even Emerald, all 3 chapters at the same time then
Something I noticed that made me really sad and just, feel bad for the creators, during the Sw/Sh arc... the art was always rushed in same places, you'd get panels that were traced ( maybe even copy-pasted ) off of screenshots of the game. It's so unfortunate because I know that this isn't their fault and that they probably wish they could spend their time to draw something truly great ! I don't blame them in the slightest. This kind of release schedule and pipeline literally kills people. I'm never not gonna be advocating for the greater Pokemon schedule to slow down.
The older games also barely had a story so Kusaka was able to be creative and expound on his own story. The newer games having a much tighter story prevented that, aside from the hectic and scuffed publishing schedule.
Yup, that’s why the first three generations of manga are my favorite. They get time to breathe, really flesh out the world, and were basically free to have their plot/story be mostly original. The latest arcs haven’t been bad, but it’s just not the same.
I was initially upset at how rushed some of the recent stories have felt but honestly this sounds like a scheduling nightmare and I can only imagine how stressed and frustrated the team must be that they can’t tell the stories properly. BW2 is just the most extreme example of being rushed story-wise but i can understand why they’ve been this way in recent years. Hopefully the team eventually get to find the time to write the stories the way they want to without having to rush
you forgot to mention that pokespe was able to handle juggling multiple arcs at the same time (RS, Emerald, FRLG and DP all overlapped at some point), but then the magazines in which the chapters were published were discontinued in the early 2010s, just when B2W2 started.
This i why i always thought the manga should have multiple mangaka working on each arc. Pokemon games get released too quickly for a good manga run to keep up, especially monthly.
SO THATS WHAT HAPPENED, i was reading this manga from elementary school up to middle school and even highschool until it just...stopped one day, and i couldnt finish it till after i was outta school already
I just feel blessed I was able to read both arcs last year without interruption. I cannot imagine how the 7 year delay will have felt to experience in real time. It’s bad enough waiting a few months for translations final chapters of X/Y to become available let alone this…. Mess. I guess this goes some way to explain why some aspects felt incredibly rushed, not sure whether a proper release schedule would make me retroactively like Blake or not though.
@@VeeVoltyeah it’s a shame Blake never got a resolution to his character apparently he was posing as colress during the sun and moon chapters but it’s a shame he never broke free
@@pedroribeirodesousa9152 then again, it make sense, as Blake is a spy. If he were to ever express emotion, it would’ve likely interfered with and jeopardized his mission of arresting the Sages and finding the girl who had the memory card
@@intergalactic92Either have him question what good and bad is throughout the arc, his only preference for that is from the International Police, or have him feel empty due to his lack of emotion.
As a pokespe fan of the 2010s this was my biggest struggle. The bw arc was my absolute FAVOURITE and i wasn't really interested in XY/sunmoon so this was a tough time. Online scanalators saved my ass as VIz was so slow with the volumes as well. What a throwback.
I do remember when the series just kinda stopped after only a single volume into B2W2, and I could not find any explanation online at the time as to why. It was very frustrating.
was thinking the other day if there was a youtuber who made pokespecial videos, lol between that and the quality of this video, i immediately subbed :]
I lived through the hiatus XD I had the english mini Volumes from Black and White and then Germany finnally released the Adventures manga in German again and started with the Black and White volumes (but based on the full volumes), I of course bought them, too and was really suprised that the German version has more content at the end XD And then the wait for Black returns began, it really felt like forever, but I still enjoyed all the other storys we got, while we had to wait for new Black2White2 releases. I still remember how I saw a translation of the Backstory chapter of B2/W2 online and was so excited for the arc XD But...yeah it took forever at least that way we could relate better to the characters and White how it felt to have Black gone for so long :'D And seeing White finding the Whitestone was just so much hype :D
I really liked the Pokemon manga growing up, but as the games started to be released more frequently and consistently over recent years, I always felt it was inevitable that the manga would fall behind and start taking shortcuts. The timeline laid out in this video is a perfect example of how prioritizing the new releases kinda screws things up because it highlights the shakey writing, inconsistent release dates, and burnout. I have massive respect for the mangaka for continuing to create Pokespe, but I gotta wonder how much longer it can last and if the best days of the manga are far behind us already.
I remember buying the physical copies, got 1-3 at once, but then learnt there's only 4 volumes total. Then went down the rabbit hole on what a mess this arc was during publications
Oh my god THANK YOU for covering this! I’ve been out of the Pokémon circles for awhile due to how the community tends to be-people say the manga is the chiller one, but I’ve had so not so great experiences within it-so I had no idea if anyone was ever gonna cover this given the manga is niche but I’m glad it was covered in a formate that’s short and gets to the point! BW was and still is my favorite arc of adventures and black is one of my favorite characters ever, so the hiatus was really rough for me, I kept worrying for the story more and more even after he was free cause it still wasn’t completely finish when SWSH came out, but I’m glad it did get wrapped up despite how people feel about the ending. Though I will say; I feel all of the arcs really did take a hit from this and it didn’t shock me when the author said he had burnout. He is LITERALLY the only person working on the manga besides his artist and editor which I find absurd, but I really felt the arcs post BW2 lost their spark so next to me not really being into Pokémon anymore I lost interest with adventures as a whole. I liked ORAS but XY and SM didn’t hit for me, and Gen 7 my favorite Gen too : /. When SWSH manga came out I couldn’t even bother to read much nor have I touch SV, but maybe one of these days I will cause I hope the author gets back on his feet now he doesn’t have to write two stories. (Even if he has the volume releases)
Man, this Hiatus was wild. I was there during this time, and it was very interesting seeing how fans reacted each time news of a new chapter or hiatus came out. The sad part is that this hiatus, as well as the rapid-fire release of both main game and spin-off titles, really set back the releases of Pokemon Special. As of right now, volume 65, which is supposed to officially end the ORAS arc, has no release date after multiple delays, though we do know that Kusaka and Yamamoto had gotten the greenlight from their publisher regarding something about the ending, so now we know it's coming relatively soon. Or at least in less than a year. That means that, even if they get volume 65 out soon, they still need to catch up on the Sun and Moon arc AND the Sword and Shield arc, which both also suffered from pacing issues, especially the latter. Thankfully, it seems that game releases are going to be spaced out, so this could give them time to catch up, but unfortunately there's still not enough time to explore other angles of the games in Pokemon Special. We'll will likely never get the inclusion of the Rainbow Rocket content in the Sun and Moon chapters, and also likely never get arcs for Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl, as well as Legends: Arceus.
The Pokémon manga was super important to me, despite only ever reading up to about halfway through RSE as a kid. I had no idea about the crazy gen 5 hiatus issues. As a massive gen 5 fan, this honestly breaks my heart
This video, and your channel overall, made me want to go back to the Pokémon manga, and especially to collect them all, since our French edition by Kurokawa has the 5 first gens compiled in "édition double" which makes the volumes bigger but also way better looking on a shelve, with for example the Diamond and Pearl saga being a 5 volumes serie, i can't stress enough how beautiful of an object the mangas volumes can be, and thanks to you it looks like im gonna collect them all starting with the gen 1 and 4 arcs
Let's hope that this current ORAS hiatus (almost 2 years at this point) doesn't wind up being as bad! Though as a Hoenn fan, it's been almost as rough, haha.
It took so long that I already finished highschool when the final chapter was released. I feel bad for Kusaka and Yamamoto who were forced to rush the BW2 arc.
oh my god, i always wondered what happened! I've been reading pokespe since the DPP arc, and this hiatus took up so much space in my mind lol, mainly because the bw cliffhanger had me by the throat for years
The insane scheduling of the games & remakes between late Gen 4 - early Gen 7 took a significant toll on the Adventures Manga & its storytelling. Story arcs felt cut short, there were tons of cliffhangers, and crossovers happened with lesser impacts. There was a prime opportunity to bring all previous characters together to face Team Rainbow Rocket in Gen 7 but sadly that never came to fruition. Sird as the shadow villain behind the criminal teams also fell flat. The BDSP/Legends Arceus Arc was scrapped entirely. Each new generation is a soft reboot that has very little tie-in (if at all) to the previous continuity. The latter generation games also finally have full stories so they don't really feel like they need a manga tie-in, weakening the impact of the Adventures Manga. I don't mean to criticize the Adventures Manga, but it's long lost the spirit & cohesion it once had from its early days in the first 3 generations.
There's a Japanese fan made manga that I've been following for a few years called "Pokemon- Festival of Champions" and it starts off as a "typical" retelling of Red challenging the Pokemon League, but the author adds some elements from newer gens here and there (e.g. Pokemon, characters from other regions, Mega evolution) with some references to some in-game trivia (Tauros shooting Hyper beams etc.) and imo has the feeling of older Pokemon Adventures arcs. Releases are slow as it's only a hobby for the author, but it usually gets TL'd and put on Mangadex soon after.
I was aware of the delays as well as Black being sealed in the Light Stone, but I did not know that the sealing took place in the volume release! I can only imagine being the fandom seeing that extended ending for the first time. Honestly I can't help but wonder if what happened with the manga, the lower sales of BW2, and to a lesser extent, the original Team Plasma not being used in the anime are the reasons sequels aren't made.
1:51 this frame is so fckn hard: Galvantula was actually not wanted by the MC yet it’s just chillin on the sudo-legendary of the region (Hydreigon) and then you got Munna and ‘boar DT the Elektross, Coffigigrous just *smacked down* in the ground and Volc on the floor (I’m assuming vs the Carracosta) 😭😭😭😭
I haven't even read it yet, because at the time I had finished Black & White (my favourite arc in the manga) I couldn't find B2W2 anywhere, and I was shocked to find out it wasn't anywhere near finished. Only recently found it, and I really want to get on to reading it. I hope the break between SV and Legends ZA will give the mangakas the time they need to cook up a banger for the SV arc 🙏.
This whole thing confused me back when I started reading Adventures chapters fully. Someone who already read them basically guided me along, and kept telling me about how Black was "still not freed to this day". And it always just confused me, since they had already tapped into the newer materials as well back then. With the guy who I read it with speculating that they were doing it due to some "gathering of all the dex holders" mass chapter where he would've been freed.
I remember when I was reading through the early chapters around 2015 and being confused why the last chapters were part way through BW, and never seemed to update. I'm glad to finally have that mystery in my life solved
I remember reading the bw2 arc a long time after it concluded and thinking the pacing felt super weird. good to know the reason why, but a 7 year hiatus is honestly wild
And this is why people ask TPCi to not release new mainline games so aggressively frequent. Pokespe BW2 got a shaky release schedule for chapters, USUM had to be merged with SM, no Team RR story, no LGPE, no Legends Arceus. Now that Legends ZA is looming, it is safe to assume that this won't have an adaptation as well as Scarlet and Violet are still running currently.
How this resulted with what we got in Black2 & White2 Chapter, it made me felt UNsatisfied cause I feel there could’ve been MORE from it ESPECIALLY from BOTH Senpai AND Junior Unova DexHolders😓
I feel this with the Nora manga sequel Surebrec. The surebrec manga was never realeased in English and Nora is my favorite manga, idk how many years I waited but one day it finally appeared online for free to read in English. I was so happy!!! I have the Surebrec manga in Japanese and all the Nora volumes in English. Very sad the manga sequal was just a single manga and not multiple volumes but I still loved it❤️❤️❤️
I will have to say, I didn't know that and now finally I have the answer as to why the german release has volume 1 of bw2 in a red spine and 2-4 in a yellow spine I had always wondered who tf had the brilliant idea to color code them so weirdly, but if we say they released so far apart, I can probably understand still looks horrible on a shelf but here we are xD
Personally I haven't read BW and BW yet. I saw on the internet the huge amount of years required to produ d the while story and I didn't understant, because those years didn't relate to the time when the games were released. But now I understand, thank you a lot
Having had adventures as my childhood alongside the anime, the gen 5 anime made me dissapointed. Black/White and Black 2/White 2 were some of my favorite games, and it was sad to see them not get any justice. Strangely enough I picked up the first volume of the Black and White manga and sorta liked it but put it down. Now having picked it back up again and being kinda iffy on it, I was hoping the Black 2 and White 2 manga could perhaps pick things up and make me appreciate the Black and White manga more. It didn't and it makes me sad to see that it was going through so many issue outside of the teams control.
Wow I never have heard of tankoban getting updated panels and pages from their chapter prints. Ofc some mangaka do make revisions / corrections for mistakes, but to add in new information is super odd to me.
Honestly, Black being in the light stone and going in hiatus was the only reason I read other arcs until b2w2 returned. After b2w2 finished, I dropped pokespe and no longer had any interest in other arcs after that and just faced major burnout. I think in the end, I just grew out of pokemon but whenever I see bw/bw2 art, it does warm my heart for a moment.
An additional oddity about the Schwarz2/Weiss2 Volume Releases (so the german translation). Panini Manga usually has a uniform spine design as long as we are in one era and mix it up once we leave for the next. But the first B2/W2 has an all red spine with a light blue 1 and the other three have a yellow spine with the numbers in the same shade of blue and an inconsistant heights? Why?
I actually liked the BW2 arc quite a bit, but it’s sad to realize how stressed the manga schedule is what with TPCi being the literal worst. Like all artists, the mangaka will just have to do what he can.
Growing up as a little kid reading the BW manga and having read the depressing cliff hanger of volume 9 shortly after the book came out, the hiatus left me hollow, It was made worse by the fact the last bw2 volume feels like such an anti-climax after the battle.
when i was younger i used to love reading pokemon adventures and black and white was my favorite game. I read black and white and loved it so i wanted to read black 2 and white 2 and I loved the first 2 volumes but i was never able to find the next volume at the library. I thought they just didnt have it so i waited and waited until like 3 years past and i gave up. Eventually i came back last year and saw the next 2 volumes but at that point i didnt even care. honestly really disappointing
No wonder the BW2 story was so odd. I never did like this story cause it felt rushed... and slow at the same time. The plot just wasn't good compared to the other Adventure stories.
I still rmb as a kid this happening. This is why i never liked Black and White 2. If they never made Blake and Whitley seperate characters to Black and White this would never had happened.
At this point they could’ve said f it and waited for the Unova Remakes and focus on the current games 😂 then when remakes confirmed use that storyline and new content
Hearing this, I'm honestly not that surprised that we never got a PLA manga. That scheduling sounds like an absolute *nightmare*
Instead of having presumably ONE author do the entire manga, I think it would make sense to at least have another author do PLA unless they want to actually have the Sinnoh dex holders actually going back in time then they kinda need the author for characterization.
@revolvingworld2676 I would've loved to see a pla arc or even having Moon show up in the swsh manga. But unless the scheduling of Pokémon games slow down, I don't think we will
I'm really sad we didn't get a PLA manga. It would have been a perfect opportunity to revisit the Sinnoh Dex holders
I feel like the perfect storyline for PLA would be to have all the protagonist reunite/meet up in the current day. That way the fans could see how each one of their lives went as they grew older. In the actual story, it could follow a similar Story as the jewel of life where they get sent back in time to hisui and have to stop volo.
I feel like this would be the perfect way to give fans closure on how characters are holding up. Like what would the original trio be like in their 20s. How would these characters interact with the new characters like sun and moon and X and y. What are their jobs? And who gets together
The irony that this arc took so much time and the games were so story focused THAT THEY GOT A SEQUEL but the monga couldn't keep up
It makes sense why the USUM content had to be shoved into the SM arc, and thus why we never got to see Team Rainbow Rocket in the manga. It's also why the non-main duo games are now being skipped, because there's literally no room in the publication schedule for all those games, and not all those games have enough new content to justify getting adapted in the manga.
While that's all understandable, we lost the interconnected nature of the manga world I've come to love so much. Feels like we'll never get to see a big team-up of dex holders like in the Emerald arc. XY incorporated Blue into the story as a mentor figure, but then SwSh couldn't even let Moon interact with the Galar gang (or show us more than her silhouette or feet) even though she played an integral part in the back half of that story. Before this change, there was always a chance that a hero from a previous story might come back to lend a hand, but now it seems we'll never get to see these heroes ever again.
Not to mention Mohn is barely mentioned eventhough he is very important to S/M, Moon is related to Platinum and they kinda gloss it off.
@owo4288 we saw Platina's boots...and that's all we got. 😑 maybe an early apology for no BDSP, maybe forewarning.
@@stevenpip7339 I doubt they can even write anything for BDSP unless they go full fanfiction like Yellow arc
@owo4288 they could do a split story with the Legends: Arceus plot. Spacetime distortions can connect the two eras, and have the older dex holders meet the Sinnoh trio at long last.
I have faith Adventures will have a resurgence someday, but it probably won’t be this current arc or even the next.
BROOO I heard that Black was sealed in the light stone at the end of the Black and White Arc of the manga BUT I DIDN’T KNOW IT WASN’T REVEALED UNTIL MUCH LATER AFTER THE MAIN CHAPTERS WERE FINISHED WTF??? 💀😭✋
Being 10 when BW manga ended and having excitedly awaited each release to that point, the hiatus between BW-9 and BW2-2 was the definition of misery for me.
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It's not about win or lose 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
It's the path you choose-
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Growing up, the hell that was the BW2 arc hiatus was AGONIZING
YEAH I REMEMBER I WAS ALWAYS WONDERING WHERE THE STORY WENT
Well this explains why Let’s Go, BDSP and Legends Arceus never got an adaptation. It’s insane how Gen 5 was still technically coming out during Gen 8
Wanna know something funny? In Brasil, they decided to translate the manga beginning with the BW manga, and then decided to GO BACK TO RED AND BLUE and have been releasing the entire previous gens before the BW2 manga, with the cliffhanger still there
JAJAJA México 🇲🇽 también 😂 we just got closing in DPPT in Panini Editorial after they first had BW as the only pokemon manga around for yearsssss 😂
You'll notice that the arcs of the manga tend to speed through the region a lot faster now. Compare something like the RGB Arc where you see Red go through every route, city, town, and major location and linger there for a little bit to something like the Sword/Shield Arc where I don't believe we even see most of the Gym Battles.
I think it's because of either the game releases or the author and artists are just.. getting tired at this point.
They worked on R/S and FR/LF and even Emerald, all 3 chapters at the same time then
Something I noticed that made me really sad and just, feel bad for the creators, during the Sw/Sh arc... the art was always rushed in same places, you'd get panels that were traced ( maybe even copy-pasted ) off of screenshots of the game.
It's so unfortunate because I know that this isn't their fault and that they probably wish they could spend their time to draw something truly great ! I don't blame them in the slightest.
This kind of release schedule and pipeline literally kills people. I'm never not gonna be advocating for the greater Pokemon schedule to slow down.
The older games also barely had a story so Kusaka was able to be creative and expound on his own story. The newer games having a much tighter story prevented that, aside from the hectic and scuffed publishing schedule.
@@Iori-kun yea agreed there was more room for interpretation
Yup, that’s why the first three generations of manga are my favorite. They get time to breathe, really flesh out the world, and were basically free to have their plot/story be mostly original.
The latest arcs haven’t been bad, but it’s just not the same.
Image the nightmare that is being the writer of this series, HOLLY SHIT
Drawn mask por aqui huuuuum. Sabia q tu conhecia o mangá de Pokémon não. Bom saber, o mangá merece reconhecimento mesmo
I was initially upset at how rushed some of the recent stories have felt but honestly this sounds like a scheduling nightmare and I can only imagine how stressed and frustrated the team must be that they can’t tell the stories properly. BW2 is just the most extreme example of being rushed story-wise but i can understand why they’ve been this way in recent years. Hopefully the team eventually get to find the time to write the stories the way they want to without having to rush
you forgot to mention that pokespe was able to handle juggling multiple arcs at the same time (RS, Emerald, FRLG and DP all overlapped at some point), but then the magazines in which the chapters were published were discontinued in the early 2010s, just when B2W2 started.
This i why i always thought the manga should have multiple mangaka working on each arc. Pokemon games get released too quickly for a good manga run to keep up, especially monthly.
SO THATS WHAT HAPPENED, i was reading this manga from elementary school up to middle school and even highschool until it just...stopped one day, and i couldnt finish it till after i was outta school already
That happened to me as well. I was always so confused that there just, wasn't more. Especially since I loved Black's character so much.
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I was really confused when colres mentioned alola
This video came out as a surprise. I actually thought that part 5 was coming out next.
Gotta keep y’all on your toes
The lesson here is you need more than one author and one artist to keep up with annual releases.
I just feel blessed I was able to read both arcs last year without interruption. I cannot imagine how the 7 year delay will have felt to experience in real time. It’s bad enough waiting a few months for translations final chapters of X/Y to become available let alone this…. Mess. I guess this goes some way to explain why some aspects felt incredibly rushed, not sure whether a proper release schedule would make me retroactively like Blake or not though.
Oh, so that’s how it happened. I wondered why B2W2 took so long to release over here.
can’t wait for the next summary bro
Nice discussion point. Glad someone spoke of this in an intricate manner. Love both thumbnails btw. Nice AB testing.
Makes you wonder an interesting question: Are Blake and Whitley still good characters, despite the hiatus?
I’d say yes just didn’t reach their potential
@@VeeVoltyeah it’s a shame Blake never got a resolution to his character apparently he was posing as colress during the sun and moon chapters but it’s a shame he never broke free
@@pedroribeirodesousa9152 then again, it make sense, as Blake is a spy. If he were to ever express emotion, it would’ve likely interfered with and jeopardized his mission of arresting the Sages and finding the girl who had the memory card
I like Whitley, I don’t like Blake. I’m not sure what they could do to fix him though.
@@intergalactic92Either have him question what good and bad is throughout the arc, his only preference for that is from the International Police, or have him feel empty due to his lack of emotion.
As a pokespe fan of the 2010s this was my biggest struggle. The bw arc was my absolute FAVOURITE and i wasn't really interested in XY/sunmoon so this was a tough time. Online scanalators saved my ass as VIz was so slow with the volumes as well. What a throwback.
I do remember when the series just kinda stopped after only a single volume into B2W2, and I could not find any explanation online at the time as to why. It was very frustrating.
was thinking the other day if there was a youtuber who made pokespecial videos, lol
between that and the quality of this video, i immediately subbed :]
I lived through the hiatus XD
I had the english mini Volumes from Black and White and then Germany finnally released the Adventures manga in German again and started with the Black and White volumes (but based on the full volumes), I of course bought them, too and was really suprised that the German version has more content at the end XD
And then the wait for Black returns began, it really felt like forever, but I still enjoyed all the other storys we got, while we had to wait for new Black2White2 releases.
I still remember how I saw a translation of the Backstory chapter of B2/W2 online and was so excited for the arc XD
But...yeah it took forever at least that way we could relate better to the characters and White how it felt to have Black gone for so long :'D
And seeing White finding the Whitestone was just so much hype :D
Yk its good when your favourite Pokemon RUclipsr posts an new video
I really liked the Pokemon manga growing up, but as the games started to be released more frequently and consistently over recent years, I always felt it was inevitable that the manga would fall behind and start taking shortcuts. The timeline laid out in this video is a perfect example of how prioritizing the new releases kinda screws things up because it highlights the shakey writing, inconsistent release dates, and burnout. I have massive respect for the mangaka for continuing to create Pokespe, but I gotta wonder how much longer it can last and if the best days of the manga are far behind us already.
I remember buying the physical copies, got 1-3 at once, but then learnt there's only 4 volumes total. Then went down the rabbit hole on what a mess this arc was during publications
Oh my god THANK YOU for covering this! I’ve been out of the Pokémon circles for awhile due to how the community tends to be-people say the manga is the chiller one, but I’ve had so not so great experiences within it-so I had no idea if anyone was ever gonna cover this given the manga is niche but I’m glad it was covered in a formate that’s short and gets to the point! BW was and still is my favorite arc of adventures and black is one of my favorite characters ever, so the hiatus was really rough for me, I kept worrying for the story more and more even after he was free cause it still wasn’t completely finish when SWSH came out, but I’m glad it did get wrapped up despite how people feel about the ending. Though I will say; I feel all of the arcs really did take a hit from this and it didn’t shock me when the author said he had burnout. He is LITERALLY the only person working on the manga besides his artist and editor which I find absurd, but I really felt the arcs post BW2 lost their spark so next to me not really being into Pokémon anymore I lost interest with adventures as a whole. I liked ORAS but XY and SM didn’t hit for me, and Gen 7 my favorite Gen too : /. When SWSH manga came out I couldn’t even bother to read much nor have I touch SV, but maybe one of these days I will cause I hope the author gets back on his feet now he doesn’t have to write two stories. (Even if he has the volume releases)
great vid!
Man, this Hiatus was wild. I was there during this time, and it was very interesting seeing how fans reacted each time news of a new chapter or hiatus came out.
The sad part is that this hiatus, as well as the rapid-fire release of both main game and spin-off titles, really set back the releases of Pokemon Special. As of right now, volume 65, which is supposed to officially end the ORAS arc, has no release date after multiple delays, though we do know that Kusaka and Yamamoto had gotten the greenlight from their publisher regarding something about the ending, so now we know it's coming relatively soon. Or at least in less than a year.
That means that, even if they get volume 65 out soon, they still need to catch up on the Sun and Moon arc AND the Sword and Shield arc, which both also suffered from pacing issues, especially the latter.
Thankfully, it seems that game releases are going to be spaced out, so this could give them time to catch up, but unfortunately there's still not enough time to explore other angles of the games in Pokemon Special.
We'll will likely never get the inclusion of the Rainbow Rocket content in the Sun and Moon chapters, and also likely never get arcs for Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl, as well as Legends: Arceus.
The Pokémon manga was super important to me, despite only ever reading up to about halfway through RSE as a kid. I had no idea about the crazy gen 5 hiatus issues. As a massive gen 5 fan, this honestly breaks my heart
This video, and your channel overall, made me want to go back to the Pokémon manga, and especially to collect them all, since our French edition by Kurokawa has the 5 first gens compiled in "édition double" which makes the volumes bigger but also way better looking on a shelve, with for example the Diamond and Pearl saga being a 5 volumes serie, i can't stress enough how beautiful of an object the mangas volumes can be, and thanks to you it looks like im gonna collect them all starting with the gen 1 and 4 arcs
Appreciate it 🙏
And your right volume covers look amazing on shelf
Let's hope that this current ORAS hiatus (almost 2 years at this point) doesn't wind up being as bad! Though as a Hoenn fan, it's been almost as rough, haha.
Sword and Shield is still getting mini volumes even though Scarlet and Violet, the successive games for the source material, are nearly two years old.
It took so long that I already finished highschool when the final chapter was released. I feel bad for Kusaka and Yamamoto who were forced to rush the BW2 arc.
No wonder why Frieren is popular now. She started with this alongside the Pokemon manga.
I recall making that image shown on 9:59 on that subreddit some months ago
oh my god, i always wondered what happened! I've been reading pokespe since the DPP arc, and this hiatus took up so much space in my mind lol, mainly because the bw cliffhanger had me by the throat for years
The insane scheduling of the games & remakes between late Gen 4 - early Gen 7 took a significant toll on the Adventures Manga & its storytelling. Story arcs felt cut short, there were tons of cliffhangers, and crossovers happened with lesser impacts. There was a prime opportunity to bring all previous characters together to face Team Rainbow Rocket in Gen 7 but sadly that never came to fruition. Sird as the shadow villain behind the criminal teams also fell flat. The BDSP/Legends Arceus Arc was scrapped entirely. Each new generation is a soft reboot that has very little tie-in (if at all) to the previous continuity. The latter generation games also finally have full stories so they don't really feel like they need a manga tie-in, weakening the impact of the Adventures Manga.
I don't mean to criticize the Adventures Manga, but it's long lost the spirit & cohesion it once had from its early days in the first 3 generations.
There's a Japanese fan made manga that I've been following for a few years called "Pokemon- Festival of Champions" and it starts off as a "typical" retelling of Red challenging the Pokemon League, but the author adds some elements from newer gens here and there (e.g. Pokemon, characters from other regions, Mega evolution) with some references to some in-game trivia (Tauros shooting Hyper beams etc.) and imo has the feeling of older Pokemon Adventures arcs.
Releases are slow as it's only a hobby for the author, but it usually gets TL'd and put on Mangadex soon after.
Absolute banger
When is the next pokemon adventures?
I was aware of the delays as well as Black being sealed in the Light Stone, but I did not know that the sealing took place in the volume release! I can only imagine being the fandom seeing that extended ending for the first time.
Honestly I can't help but wonder if what happened with the manga, the lower sales of BW2, and to a lesser extent, the original Team Plasma not being used in the anime are the reasons sequels aren't made.
1:51 this frame is so fckn hard: Galvantula was actually not wanted by the MC yet it’s just chillin on the sudo-legendary of the region (Hydreigon) and then you got Munna and ‘boar DT the Elektross, Coffigigrous just *smacked down* in the ground and Volc on the floor (I’m assuming vs the Carracosta) 😭😭😭😭
They will never understand what a nightmare it was to wait for the manga to continue, how long Black was stuck in a stone...
I haven't even read it yet, because at the time I had finished Black & White (my favourite arc in the manga) I couldn't find B2W2 anywhere, and I was shocked to find out it wasn't anywhere near finished.
Only recently found it, and I really want to get on to reading it.
I hope the break between SV and Legends ZA will give the mangakas the time they need to cook up a banger for the SV arc 🙏.
This whole thing confused me back when I started reading Adventures chapters fully. Someone who already read them basically guided me along, and kept telling me about how Black was "still not freed to this day". And it always just confused me, since they had already tapped into the newer materials as well back then. With the guy who I read it with speculating that they were doing it due to some "gathering of all the dex holders" mass chapter where he would've been freed.
I remember when I was reading through the early chapters around 2015 and being confused why the last chapters were part way through BW, and never seemed to update.
I'm glad to finally have that mystery in my life solved
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I remember reading the bw2 arc a long time after it concluded and thinking the pacing felt super weird. good to know the reason why, but a 7 year hiatus is honestly wild
I waited and waited for 3000 years and it was worth it :3
This was my favorite Pokémon manga and always wondered what happened to it
And this is why people ask TPCi to not release new mainline games so aggressively frequent. Pokespe BW2 got a shaky release schedule for chapters, USUM had to be merged with SM, no Team RR story, no LGPE, no Legends Arceus. Now that Legends ZA is looming, it is safe to assume that this won't have an adaptation as well as Scarlet and Violet are still running currently.
How this resulted with what we got in Black2 & White2 Chapter, it made me felt UNsatisfied cause I feel there could’ve been MORE from it ESPECIALLY from BOTH Senpai AND Junior Unova DexHolders😓
I feel this with the Nora manga sequel Surebrec. The surebrec manga was never realeased in English and Nora is my favorite manga, idk how many years I waited but one day it finally appeared online for free to read in English. I was so happy!!! I have the Surebrec manga in Japanese and all the Nora volumes in English. Very sad the manga sequal was just a single manga and not multiple volumes but I still loved it❤️❤️❤️
I will have to say, I didn't know that
and now finally I have the answer as to why the german release has volume 1 of bw2 in a red spine and 2-4 in a yellow spine
I had always wondered who tf had the brilliant idea to color code them so weirdly, but if we say they released so far apart, I can probably understand
still looks horrible on a shelf but here we are xD
Personally I haven't read BW and BW yet. I saw on the internet the huge amount of years required to produ d the while story and I didn't understant, because those years didn't relate to the time when the games were released. But now I understand, thank you a lot
Having had adventures as my childhood alongside the anime, the gen 5 anime made me dissapointed. Black/White and Black 2/White 2 were some of my favorite games, and it was sad to see them not get any justice. Strangely enough I picked up the first volume of the Black and White manga and sorta liked it but put it down. Now having picked it back up again and being kinda iffy on it, I was hoping the Black 2 and White 2 manga could perhaps pick things up and make me appreciate the Black and White manga more. It didn't and it makes me sad to see that it was going through so many issue outside of the teams control.
Wow I never have heard of tankoban getting updated panels and pages from their chapter prints. Ofc some mangaka do make revisions / corrections for mistakes, but to add in new information is super odd to me.
Honestly, Black being in the light stone and going in hiatus was the only reason I read other arcs until b2w2 returned. After b2w2 finished, I dropped pokespe and no longer had any interest in other arcs after that and just faced major burnout. I think in the end, I just grew out of pokemon but whenever I see bw/bw2 art, it does warm my heart for a moment.
I don't remember when I read the end of the BW chapter but I wasn't aware of the hiatus and was so confused as to why Black's story ended in BW.
An additional oddity about the Schwarz2/Weiss2 Volume Releases (so the german translation).
Panini Manga usually has a uniform spine design as long as we are in one era and mix it up once we leave for the next.
But the first B2/W2 has an all red spine with a light blue 1 and the other three have a yellow spine with the numbers in the same shade of blue and an inconsistant heights?
Why?
this is one of the many reasons why a yearly pokemon game release isnt needed
This makes me glad I wasn't really following the black and white 2 arc at this time in my life haha. Sounds agonizing to have kept up with 😆
I forgot how many jokes about the B&W make protag being a rock
I actually liked the BW2 arc quite a bit, but it’s sad to realize how stressed the manga schedule is what with TPCi being the literal worst. Like all artists, the mangaka will just have to do what he can.
Growing up as a little kid reading the BW manga and having read the depressing cliff hanger of volume 9 shortly after the book came out, the hiatus left me hollow, It was made worse by the fact the last bw2 volume feels like such an anti-climax after the battle.
when i was younger i used to love reading pokemon adventures and black and white was my favorite game. I read black and white and loved it so i wanted to read black 2 and white 2 and I loved the first 2 volumes but i was never able to find the next volume at the library. I thought they just didnt have it so i waited and waited until like 3 years past and i gave up. Eventually i came back last year and saw the next 2 volumes but at that point i didnt even care. honestly really disappointing
Those 7 years pokemon manga fans felt how it feels to be a loomian legacy fan
The Dark Times of the Pokemon Manga ;-;
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The thick of it!!!????
No wonder the BW2 story was so odd. I never did like this story cause it felt rushed... and slow at the same time. The plot just wasn't good compared to the other Adventure stories.
I hate how much I love pokemon
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Blake looks like me during the math exam tbh
pokemons yearly release schedule for the games and its consequences
Man.. I feel kinda grateful I turned to the manga around a year ago. It must have been awful for the wait
I only read up to the Heartgold/Soulsilver arc
Black and white felt like a slow start and i never finished it
B2W2 was a mess
Yup
Why doesn't TPC take a break so the manga can capture? Pokémon is fairly big that they can survive a while without an increase in pay.
They won't adjust to the manga, it's the manga that has to adjust to the games. Sad state of affairs.
Hello,please can you make a video "what if gold and silver were not defeated by the masked man
Yes i read pokemom spec ongoing that time just frustation 😢
Still shorter than the GoT books hiatus
B2W2 is really THE arc that suffered the most, but HGSS is another really rushed and that killed much of the potential of that Story
I've never heard a hiatus being called "cursed", so it sounds like people were really desperate!
It's called cursed because the protagonist was sealed in the ball. People are not desperate, just impatient.
Is it just me or does TPC struggle with sequels as a whole?
when gen 4 manga explaination ?
After part 5 and 6
I still rmb as a kid this happening. This is why i never liked Black and White 2. If they never made Blake and Whitley seperate characters to Black and White this would never had happened.
The Japanese aren't very good at finishing stories and if they do it's usually messy (fingers crossed for One Piece)
At this point they could’ve said f it and waited for the Unova Remakes and focus on the current games 😂 then when remakes confirmed use that storyline and new content
where can you read this
That's why I couldn't read it on manga website
That explains a lot :/
I do like the BW2 arc, however it’s mostly for Whitley’s character, and the payoff for BWs ending.
Wtf red at
What a shock, the EA-like release schedule of the mainline games was not good for multimedia.
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People died during that hiatus, here's to the fans that didn't get to see it return 🫡
And that arc sucked in top of all...the BW1 characters were the best part