These are both such gorgeous watches. Recently I was debating between the two (although different variants) and ended up grabbing a 1601 for a great price, however there’s something so beautifully humble about a vintage Tudor. On a side note, I think the 34/36mm oyster cases are absolutely perfect for all men, away with the huge gaudy pieces!
It’s funny you say that because even the 34mm that seems small to a lot of people wears bigger than what it looks. I have a Oysterquartz 36mm and it feels for sure bigger than it looks as well.
imo, u cant go wrong with either, when we talk vintage/older Tudor/Rolex. its like a Tudor big block VS the Daytona ..both have their glory. watches like these, have SOUL. These days theres a huge marked secondhand, for watches at 34-36mm, and at low price, its a win win in my book, u really get something for your money, contra a new 2017 watch. great review as always, a great way to spent some time on a Saturday evening, so thx:-)
Love em both, I picked the Prince OysterDate 90800 for my collection over the Datejust. Both are pretty similar, but I really like the different styling than the more common Datejust. Both are really nice watches though, thanks for sharing!
A great video of two awesome looking watches. The Rolex seems to have been crippled in value by service changes, I do hope they asked the owner before doing the changes
I would love to say they do, but if it falls under the approved standard overall of $750-$950 they will not call to confirm, unless the client sends specific instructions with the AD that’s sending the watch in.
With hand sets it’s tough. Since they are friction fit and need to be removed for servicing, it’s not usually a good idea to replace them with the originals.
@@AbstractMan23 the hands are press fir against a post that is close enough to the size of the hole that the hands will stay on solely from the friction between the two. As such, over time, the hole in the original hands gets slowly enlarged and eventually they don’t fit quite as snugly as they did when they were new. It’s slight, but over time they wear just like all moving parts. These only move when removed and replaced, but the friction involved is far greater than any other moving part.
Rolex does not set the prices... people do. People buy them at those prices, people then sell them at those prices. Until they just don't buy at the same rate, and then they start lowering again and its and endless loop.
Not to mention the holier than though attitude of Rolex snobs, I mean owners. Tudor is a great brand, it’s a Rolex under a different name, for all intents and purposes it’s a fricking Rolex. Sorry, not sorry Rolex “owners” 😂
Great video. Both look nice. The old Rolex jubilee bracelets I think age well in that they still hold a shine and stretch does not bother me at all. My dad had that same style Rolex but from 1987 and it had a champagne tapestry dial and the DJ became my grail because of it. I have his watch now but achieved purchasing my own mid 2016, a brand new of the year 116234 all silver with jubilee and fluted bezel. I love it to death, but I do wish Rolex made various dials the way they did in the past. My dad's DJ has the date wheel like you mentioned and nothing has be replaced or serviced... it still runs smooth and accurate to less than 1 sec a day (but only wore for 1 day straight). Once again great video.
Venus Dee I agree with you, the variety they used to have was excellent for the consumer. Especially those interesting features like engine turned bezels and tapestry dials. Congrats on yours!
I am also getting on board the small watch train. I have a 40mm chronograph that is starting to seem like a wall clock on my wrist. I have a 36mm that I love. I found a great looking Tudor oyster date on Chrono24 but I was worried 34mm is too small for me till I watched your video. It was especially helpful since I also have a 7.25” wrist. Thanks!
I think the reason why the crown stem is showing is not related to the case being overpolished. I've seen this issue before; when Rolex puts in a new crown and stem in a datejust with an older case, the fit is not 100% perfect and you get that gap.
Also, everyone I talk to about the cyclops who hates it it’s always because it’s just so popular. They just hate the idea of blending in the society and want to stand out somehow. This is what I’ve seen pretty much every single case. It’s iconic, and extremely practical. There’s no reason not to want it.
Wonderful watches! I think the size of both is perfect - they look a millions times better than the dinner plates you see on most peoples wrists these days! I prefer the Tudor bracelet, although I'd have both on leather straps if they were mine. They both are amazing watches!
The watches are really nice and well maintained. Both the watches are from the same category..But still there are some small differences. I do have a black dial tudor prince oyster date and a Black dial rolex date, feels like both are same. No difference ..except movement... 😊
I have the 36mm TUDOR 'Oyster Prince Date - Day' with champagne dial, since new in 1992. It has Rolex Oyster Case (markings on the back) and the Rolex crown. Are there any videos on those ?
Hi, I would be curious to see your comparison between the vintage Tudor Prince and the Seiko 3110 (American Psycho watch). IMO, the 3110 is closer than what most people think.
I passed up the day just for the sole purpose of getting a day function along with the date function. I guess that the date date is supposed to be a special one but like the day is more important to have in the actual dates to me at least
Nice video ! Just purchased a Tudor oyster prince day date 94613 from a friend . It has the same jubilee bracelet as yours has on it. Brought it to a jeweler and they were confused how to remove links for fitting. Any insight on how to remove links from the folded style bracelet
I just bought the 74034. Mine looks just like your but not gold. I keep seeing the same reference number but with different dials, do you know what thats all about? is there a variation with the reference numbers?
Does anybody know where to find an aftermarket jubilee for a vintage Tudor? In my case a have the 76213.(36mm) I am looking desperately for an aftermarket jubilee. Thanks
Dwight Howard if it's in good condition, and you trust the dealer, it sounds like a good deal to me. And if you get box/papers as well that's a double win
I have the same.Tudor but with a.lot.nore dings andndongs. I got.mine from a Saudi Shiek, OMG it's 08:13 ... Hard man with wife and child, waiting, waiting, 08:15 will mean an annointed shiek and other things I cant remember right now. Stay away from drugs everyone
I wouldn’t be caught wearing a “Rolex”. So gauche and “superlative”. Even dare I say it the Datejust. Imagine seeing someone in their 20s-40s wearing a Datejust. It would make you sick. Maybe once I retire, etc. But for now Tudor > Rolex.
I have a chance to buy a Rolex Datejust 1603 from 1972, but no bracelet, no box, no papers.. just on a used brown leather alligator strap .. for $2900 .. he's telling me it's a no brainer and a steal, but I'm not sure .. 1) what's the difference between the 1603 and that 16030 7 years newer from 1979?? 2) is that a bad price for that? it's supposedly serviced, verified, etc.. and he's a reputable dealer..
So the jubilee gold accents on the Tudor bracelet are solid gold and not plated? The older prince oysterdates bracelets were gold plated accents. And one can definitely tell as that plating starts to fade with age. Great upgrade on the new prince date versions if the good accents are solid now. I have both the oysterdate and datejust and to me the size looks the same when I wear either one. I'm old school and love the smaller 34 and 36 classic sizes. The bigger dials are OK it ust wouldn't be my first pick. When I get an explorer I'm sticking to the classic 36 size maybe even an explorer reference 5500. Btw, the Tudor looks cherry like it was just bought yesterday. Either you rarely wear it or you are super duper anal with it lol
I have this Tudor and there are small spaces between the lume dots and indices. My biggest bug bear is the misalignment of the date wheel on my Tudor. Contacted Tudor to have it corrected but they said it’s within their “tolerances”. So whenever my date is in the 20’s, part of the 2 is obscured behind the dial. Annoying in a £2000 watch,
@@AbstractMan23 Hi I bought mine new from a jeweller in birmingham. Just realised that mine isn’t actually this model. Mine is the m76213? It’s a new watch and apparently they are only available to buy new from China. The jeweller had them brought in from a Bern watches Co in macau. Still had plenty of warranty left on it. Bought online though and didn’t think to check datewheel alignment on it with it being a Tudor. Lesson learned I suppose.
@@RustyLongPipe I think that one is Hong Kong only. I would raise the issue with the dealer whom you bought it from. Seems like it's pretty bad if the 2 is obscured. Have Tudor actually seen photos of it?
@@AbstractMan23 yes I had to email them photos. It isn’t massively obscured, but enough that it bugs me on a watch that you’d expect to be pretty perfect in that department. But yeh, Tudor said it was within their tolerance, and that was pretty much that. I actually work in the precious metals industry and I do have a watch repair guy that would be able to align it for me, when I get round to asking him. Lol
Don't be fooled by these two tone Tudors. I owned this same Tudor 74033 and it lost it's appeal quickly as the plated gold on the bracelet started wearing through to the stainless steel. This won't happen with the Rolex as it's real 14k or 18k gold.
@@AbstractMan23 It was approximately a 1993 serial. It was one of the IBM awards engraved on the back that you will see many 74033's have. IBM gave them to executives back then as awards.
The designs, styles and size are good... BUT... the bracelets are just awful.. folded and hollow centre links.. (and they stretch) its just not worth the regret and disappointment you will feel.
Im turning 40 next year and been saving for a DJ but this tudor... its got me thinking. Great video
These are both such gorgeous watches. Recently I was debating between the two (although different variants) and ended up grabbing a 1601 for a great price, however there’s something so beautifully humble about a vintage Tudor. On a side note, I think the 34/36mm oyster cases are absolutely perfect for all men, away with the huge gaudy pieces!
It’s funny you say that because even the 34mm that seems small to a lot of people wears bigger than what it looks. I have a Oysterquartz 36mm and it feels for sure bigger than it looks as well.
It’s been a while since I have seen a Tudor so crispy! Superb find and hold onto it.
imo, u cant go wrong with either, when we talk vintage/older Tudor/Rolex. its like a Tudor big block VS the Daytona ..both have their glory. watches like these, have SOUL. These days theres a huge marked secondhand, for watches at 34-36mm, and at low price, its a win win in my book, u really get something for your money, contra a new 2017 watch. great review as always, a great way to spent some time on a Saturday evening, so thx:-)
A watch don't have a soul .....
Love em both, I picked the Prince OysterDate 90800 for my collection over the Datejust. Both are pretty similar, but I really like the different styling than the more common Datejust. Both are really nice watches though, thanks for sharing!
A great video of two awesome looking watches.
The Rolex seems to have been crippled in value by service changes, I do hope they asked the owner before doing the changes
Watch Geek agreed
I would love to say they do, but if it falls under the approved standard overall of $750-$950 they will not call to confirm, unless the client sends specific instructions with the AD that’s sending the watch in.
With hand sets it’s tough. Since they are friction fit and need to be removed for servicing, it’s not usually a good idea to replace them with the originals.
@@gregwhite5027 thanks for the info, but what exactly is 'friction fit'?
@@AbstractMan23 the hands are press fir against a post that is close enough to the size of the hole that the hands will stay on solely from the friction between the two. As such, over time, the hole in the original hands gets slowly enlarged and eventually they don’t fit quite as snugly as they did when they were new. It’s slight, but over time they wear just like all moving parts. These only move when removed and replaced, but the friction involved is far greater than any other moving part.
I’m partial towards Tudor. I don’t like Rolex’s pricing tactics that have inflated prices so much and I don’t need the name brand recognition.
Rolex does not set the prices... people do. People buy them at those prices, people then sell them at those prices. Until they just don't buy at the same rate, and then they start lowering again and its and endless loop.
Not to mention the holier than though attitude of Rolex snobs, I mean owners. Tudor is a great brand, it’s a Rolex under a different name, for all intents and purposes it’s a fricking Rolex. Sorry, not sorry Rolex “owners” 😂
That is a very clean Tudor I must say.
the center links on the Tudor's bracelet are gold plated, although a very good gold plating its still a big factor in the price difference.
Mine is 18k gold
As ever beautifully shot video hugely interesting and informative. Great job Bruce.
Rolex giving zero fucks about keeping things original
Great video. Both look nice. The old Rolex jubilee bracelets I think age well in that they still hold a shine and stretch does not bother me at all. My dad had that same style Rolex but from 1987 and it had a champagne tapestry dial and the DJ became my grail because of it. I have his watch now but achieved purchasing my own mid 2016, a brand new of the year 116234 all silver with jubilee and fluted bezel. I love it to death, but I do wish Rolex made various dials the way they did in the past. My dad's DJ has the date wheel like you mentioned and nothing has be replaced or serviced... it still runs smooth and accurate to less than 1 sec a day (but only wore for 1 day straight). Once again great video.
Venus Dee I agree with you, the variety they used to have was excellent for the consumer. Especially those interesting features like engine turned bezels and tapestry dials. Congrats on yours!
A very nice pair of watches!
wow that Tudor is exquisite, an absoloute stunner
there’s a certain symmetry in wearing a sub 38mm watch, in the way it sits on the wrist.
Carlos Maeda exactly
I really love TUDOR
These two watches are FANTASTIC!!! Wow
i have a Tudor Prince and i wear it over my Rolex. There is something very special about it to me. I adore my Tudor Prince.
Very nice duo for sure! Had the Rolex on an oyster bracelet and like a dummy I sold it many years ago...:(
Wish the Tudor was 36 case
I am also getting on board the small watch train. I have a 40mm chronograph that is starting to seem like a wall clock on my wrist. I have a 36mm that I love. I found a great looking Tudor oyster date on Chrono24 but I was worried 34mm is too small for me till I watched your video. It was especially helpful since I also have a 7.25” wrist. Thanks!
I think the reason why the crown stem is showing is not related to the case being overpolished. I've seen this issue before; when Rolex puts in a new crown and stem in a datejust with an older case, the fit is not 100% perfect and you get that gap.
chillwill120 ah that makes sense, thanks!
I like both... I enjoy both my Tudor and Rolex .. they have their own charm
Your Tudor is immaculate, but if I ever bought a Rolex it would be a DJ.
I like how you synched both watches. Great video man
getting one soon,
after covid
Also, everyone I talk to about the cyclops who hates it it’s always because it’s just so popular. They just hate the idea of blending in the society and want to stand out somehow. This is what I’ve seen pretty much every single case. It’s iconic, and extremely practical. There’s no reason not to want it.
Wonderful watches! I think the size of both is perfect - they look a millions times better than the dinner plates you see on most peoples wrists these days! I prefer the Tudor bracelet, although I'd have both on leather straps if they were mine. They both are amazing watches!
Bruce...well done as always. Keep it up.
Rocky
The watches are really nice and well maintained. Both the watches are from the same category..But still there are some small differences. I do have a black dial tudor prince oyster date and a Black dial rolex date, feels like both are same. No difference ..except movement... 😊
I hope you dont sell the tudor
AE Garage Why？I want to sell mine
@@allenhu1763 if not yet sell, how much ?
A very detailed review. I'll go for the Prince but with Day-Date and champagne dial.
I have the 36mm TUDOR 'Oyster Prince Date - Day' with champagne dial, since new in 1992. It has Rolex Oyster Case (markings on the back) and the Rolex crown.
Are there any videos on those ?
Hi, I would be curious to see your comparison between the vintage Tudor Prince and the Seiko 3110 (American Psycho watch). IMO, the 3110 is closer than what most people think.
I passed up the day just for the sole purpose of getting a day function along with the date function. I guess that the date date is supposed to be a special one but like the day is more important to have in the actual dates to me at least
There was a video between the ads
i got 2 ads within the first few seconds of the video!
Great video I pulled the trigger and get one with a white roman numerals with jubilee and I am waiting
Nice Tudor, they should make new ones Prince 2025
Nice side by side. I have been debating a new Tudor 76214 as they are easy to get here in Japan....
I have exactly the counterpart to your tudor in Rolex (ref 16013) from 1984, I love it as I love your Tudor cheers!
Wow that Tudor looks brand new. Has it ever been worn?
Yes. In the video :)
Nice video ! Just purchased a Tudor oyster prince day date 94613 from a friend . It has the same jubilee bracelet as yours has on it. Brought it to a jeweler and they were confused how to remove links for fitting. Any insight on how to remove links from the folded style bracelet
super nice tudor, the only difference really is the movement.
I just bought the 74034. Mine looks just like your but not gold. I keep seeing the same reference number but with different dials, do you know what thats all about? is there a variation with the reference numbers?
Im having difficulty finding this tudor watch. Is this the style? The band seems different and can't find it on their website... model please :)
Bruce, the other major difference is the 904 Steel on the Rolex compared to the 316 on the Tudor.
mario siaven thank you, a dj from this era is also 316l
Mason's carnivorous plants. Good to know that although ive always heard 904 was more scratch resistant truth or myth?
I thought the Tudor day date was 36mm? Are they available in 2 sizes?
What is the price on tubor watch ? And the price on the regular Rolex watch !
Please explain
Appreciates
I have the same Tudor with roman numerals. does not have the t's on the swiss made bottom. any idea of the vintage?
Love Both 😍
Does anybody know where to find an aftermarket jubilee for a vintage
Tudor? In my case a have the 76213.(36mm)
I am looking desperately for an aftermarket jubilee.
Thanks
Thinking of buying a Tudor Prince. How much is it now? I don't wanna overpay. Thanks.
Dwight Howard a decent one will probably cost you $2,000 at least, IMO
@@InflamedPancreasShow Thanks. Also, is a 16233 36mm rolex datejust two tone champagne dial worth $4,000 a good deal? Thinking of buying it.
Dwight Howard if it's in good condition, and you trust the dealer, it sounds like a good deal to me. And if you get box/papers as well that's a double win
@@InflamedPancreasShow Thanks so much Aaron. Hope u keep uploading great videos!
Is the Prince's fluted bezel solid gold or plated?
Massively helpful
What’s different between 75203 & 74033 ?
Hi, how do I know the Value of my 1960 Tudor ?
You might find this website helpful. www.chrono24.com/tudor/prince-oysterdate--mod211-4.htm
I have the same.Tudor but with a.lot.nore dings andndongs. I got.mine from a Saudi Shiek, OMG it's 08:13 ... Hard man with wife and child, waiting, waiting, 08:15 will mean an annointed shiek and other things I cant remember right now. Stay away from drugs everyone
hi how mutch for the tudor prince please ? I AM INTERESTED
The Tudor has gold plated links the Rolex is full gold.
Can you tell me if the Tudor bezel and the crown solid gold?
bit late to the party, but yes. Yes they are.
I have the day date variant
Was the Tudor chronometer certified when new?
JungleEddie nope
I wouldn’t be caught wearing a “Rolex”. So gauche and “superlative”. Even dare I say it the Datejust. Imagine seeing someone in their 20s-40s wearing a Datejust. It would make you sick. Maybe once I retire, etc. But for now Tudor > Rolex.
I have a chance to buy a Rolex Datejust 1603 from 1972, but no bracelet, no box, no papers.. just on a used brown leather alligator strap .. for $2900 .. he's telling me it's a no brainer and a steal, but I'm not sure .. 1) what's the difference between the 1603 and that 16030 7 years newer from 1979?? 2) is that a bad price for that? it's supposedly serviced, verified, etc.. and he's a reputable dealer..
Folded links an absolute no go !
Pk tudor, ne vend plus la tudor prince or date just ????
So the jubilee gold accents on the Tudor bracelet are solid gold and not plated? The older prince oysterdates bracelets were gold plated accents. And one can definitely tell as that plating starts to fade with age. Great upgrade on the new prince date versions if the good accents are solid now. I have both the oysterdate and datejust and to me the size looks the same when I wear either one. I'm old school and love the smaller 34 and 36 classic sizes. The bigger dials are OK it ust wouldn't be my first pick. When I get an explorer I'm sticking to the classic 36 size maybe even an explorer reference 5500.
Btw, the Tudor looks cherry like it was just bought yesterday. Either you rarely wear it or you are super duper anal with it lol
3:16 seems there is no space between the lume plots and indices on the tudor, whereas the rolex has a small space.
I have this Tudor and there are small spaces between the lume dots and indices.
My biggest bug bear is the misalignment of the date wheel on my Tudor. Contacted Tudor to have it corrected but they said it’s within their “tolerances”. So whenever my date is in the 20’s, part of the 2 is obscured behind the dial. Annoying in a £2000 watch,
@@RustyLongPipe hmm did you buy it new or second hand? I scrolled through and checked the date wheel on each date before I bought my Tudor.
@@AbstractMan23 Hi I bought mine new from a jeweller in birmingham. Just realised that mine isn’t actually this model. Mine is the m76213? It’s a new watch and apparently they are only available to buy new from China. The jeweller had them brought in from a Bern watches Co in macau. Still had plenty of warranty left on it. Bought online though and didn’t think to check datewheel alignment on it with it being a Tudor. Lesson learned I suppose.
@@RustyLongPipe I think that one is Hong Kong only. I would raise the issue with the dealer whom you bought it from. Seems like it's pretty bad if the 2 is obscured. Have Tudor actually seen photos of it?
@@AbstractMan23 yes I had to email them photos. It isn’t massively obscured, but enough that it bugs me on a watch that you’d expect to be pretty perfect in that department. But yeh, Tudor said it was within their tolerance, and that was pretty much that. I actually work in the precious metals industry and I do have a watch repair guy that would be able to align it for me, when I get round to asking him. Lol
I came from the future (2022) just to say that these Rolexes are now about 4 grand... so buy your rolexes in 2017.
Do you know, Tudor used Sellita? Watchoosy in instagram have photo 1926 with Sellita...
ive heard the same but I have that watch and its an ETA inside it
My my have things changed
ford VS Lincoln
Don't be fooled by these two tone Tudors. I owned this same Tudor 74033 and it lost it's appeal quickly as the plated gold on the bracelet started wearing through to the stainless steel. This won't happen with the Rolex as it's real 14k or 18k gold.
how long did it take for the gold to wear off?
Wow lol 😆
@@AbstractMan23 It was approximately a 1993 serial. It was one of the IBM awards engraved on the back that you will see many 74033's have. IBM gave them to executives back then as awards.
@@theadvocate1925 thanks for the reply. So it's worn off over 27 years, or did you have it from 1993 and wore off soon after '93, I don't understand?
@@AbstractMan23 No idea if I was the second or third owner. I noticed it right away when I received in 2011.
The designs, styles and size are good... BUT... the bracelets are just awful.. folded and hollow centre links.. (and they stretch) its just not worth the regret and disappointment you will feel.
the same...
I'm afraid I'm on the side op the people who hate cyclops lenses. Makes them look like watches for old men.
Rolex 3035 > ETA2824, Tudor 2824 is not "that" highly upgraded
galvdeck this one is