I'M SICK OF IT!! The "I Didn't Know" Steroid Excuse
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- I've had enough. This excuse needs to go away and not be accepted when offered as a reason why players are testing positive for steroids in the NFL, MLB, NBA, and other pro sports. In this day and age there is no reason why players aren't 100% aware of what they are putting in their bodies.
Plus, a possible solution?
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Agree or disagree? Should players be more accountable and at fault here?
Yes, how the hell do you not know what you're putting in your body?
Players should be somewhat more accountable, yes. However, the supplement companies need to be held accountable as well. UFC fighter Yoel Romero successfully sued a supplement company for $27 million this year for wages lost due to a suspension he received because of a tainted supplement. Maybe other athletes need to take legal action as well in order to make sure that companies aren't adding these substances to their products.
www.si.com/mma/2019/05/29/yoel-romero-wins-27-million-tainted-supplement-lawsuit-usada-suspension
Should always go to the AT or nutritionist for the team before taking anything. Otherwise, the “I didn’t know” excuse is just that, an excuse
Totally agree!
So what’s the closest supplement to hgh or steroids that isn’t on the banned list
Can you do a video of the NFL player on the Cowboys who dislocated his leg and snaps it right back in and gets up 😂
Byron Jones
Matt S Correct! Yea they should do a video on him
NFL pain med lawsuit / scandal
Oh hell yea I’d love to see that ! Because the way his knee was I don’t see how he was able to put it back in place or not make it worse .
He didn't dislocate it, his muscle cramped up, that's why it looked like he dislocated it
That‘s actually a pretty good solution for this problem
Seagullman Seagull it makes too much sense... he should really be hired by espn or fs1
No it’s not Bc certain batches get fairy dusted
With the resources that are now available, the "I didn't know" excuse is getting less believable. As a pro athlete your whole career is built around training your body ans keeping it healthy.
@@BaronVonBielski how is what he said untrue? A lot of these drug companies offer lists of supplements they approve of some will even test them for you for free so no it doesn't make sense. If it's so common for these supplements to have other things in them how come a huge chunk of athletes can make it there entire 15-20+ years of there career without testing postive while some keep popping for tainted supplements?
Food that's grown or fed growth hormones can trigger false positives. Players can be given misinformation by trainers or companies. Anything you put in your body can be cross contaminated with illegal substances. We just saw Robert Quinn fail a test because of his seizure medication. Anything can happen.
This guy gets no love on the hard work he does🥺🙌
Please do Prince Fielders career ending neck injury! We need more baseball breakdowns
A large part of the problem is regulations and the lack of oversight. Yes he should know what he's putting in his body, but it's not so cut and dry. The league should have an approved list of products and should actually work with other leagues for approved products or companies.
that’s exactly the solution he proposed in the video.
RdyPlyOne exactly
I recently got arrested for robbing a bank... No idea why, thought banks works that way 🤷🏼♂️
Pat Mcafee talked about this, he said it's pretty common for these players NOT knowing.Things happen and it's hard to tell if absolutely everything on the ban list isn't in their supplements.
I'm not gonna lie tho. When everyone and their mother in baseball was taking roids....it was fun to watch lmao
Saved the sport
Man. You know Brian is serious when he puts on the background music!
Lol jk, but youre 100% right. These people are athletes with more than enough resources to figure out whats allowed in their body. The rules RARELY change. If he truly "didnt know" than he needs to fire his nutritionists. Either way, its 100% his own fault.
They are all on roids
Probably the Kickers too...
I dont understand why they don't just let them take stuff that would help them with recovery as well. Go ahead and take Toridol but god forbid you take Human Growth Hormone.
Thats what unathletic people say 😂
You’ve invoked Nate Diaz
LegendaryStatus5 no that’s actually what people who aren’t living under a rock say, because most of them do take shit, people who don’t know his or deny this are people that don’t know a thing about athletes right now.
Jon Jones: The usada was cheating and thats why i lost to them twice
You should break down Thiago Santos' knee injury vs jon jones
he did it already
bEwater LEE his injuries were similar to Shaun Livingston’s right?
bEwater LEE where?
@@eddygutierrez33 in his channel mate
bEwater LEE I just looked through his channel & there’s no video on that . He slightly mentioned it in the masvidal video but he didn’t explain it. Unless it’s embedded in some other video
Totally agree. Agree with the solution too
I agree with your profile image lol
Lewan wasn't trying to make a video to prove his innocence he is trying to prevent his image from being tainted. He said he fully accepts his mistake but he wasn't trying to cheat.
Exactly. Take responsibility for your own actions. If you didn't know, you should've. They only use it because they think we're stupid.
Michael Hill I knew I would find this argument. Do you know every ingredient in every thing you eat or drink? Now we’re asking athletes to take supplements to independent labs? We don’t do that with the foods we eat. How is that any different?
@@adgee5401 As he mentioned in the video, their entire career is playing sports which requires keeping up with their health. They should have areas where they can check it and they're pro athletes, it isn't like they wouldn't be able to afford having everything tested if they can't find it online.
Michael Hill Not all athletes are rich. That’s another common misnomer. Again, do you take everything you place in your body to an independent lab? If the answer is no, then why place those expectations on someone else?
@@adgee5401 No, I don't but I'm also not a professional athlete. Comparing me to them is a false comparison, my health and sports are not my job. Completely different situation
Michael Hill Should I be able to tell you how you should perform your job? And I didn’t compare your job. I asked you should expectations be placed if you aren’t willing to do the same thing.
But since you want to play the semantics game, do you tell a fireman how they should prepare for their job? I’m pretty sure health is requirement there.
Happens a lot in mixed martial arts. The UFC has spent a lot of money testing athletes. I believe the biggest problem is having supplements over the counter. FDA doesn’t monitor all these crazy things coming out. I do however agree with athletes need to be very careful on what their taking. It’s 2019 and we have the technology. 👍
PED's is so widely used in pro and even amateur sports that they shouldn't be banned. Colleges have steroids programs that they urge their players to use. PED's is the name of the game nowadays, and the injury prevention effects that some PED's have are too good to ignore. Players shouldn't be at fault anymore, because they're so widely used. Unfortunately, a lot of the public still has almost zero knowledge of how steroids/PED's work, and how widely used they are.
Doc I agree. If we are driving and we miss a speed limit sign that changes the speed limit down from 55mph to 35mph, then a mile past the missed sign we get pulled over by a Police Officer for still driving 55...then try telling the Officer the line he probably hears the most often..."I'm sorry Officer I didn't know I never saw the sign" That is a ticket for sure unless you get very lucky.
You did my favorite thing. I hate when ppl point out problems without giving a potential solution. You didn't do that so ty.
This dude should pop on JRE. I feel like we'd all learn a lot
Supplements aren’t FDA approved. What do you expect? Players to go hand test the factory?
extrafreshhh how bout don’t take supplements?
Thats yet another issue. The Govt should truly screen all the things that we put into our bodies. But in the interim athletes got alot more to lose than us. They gotta get get everything verified
@@dmac5472 or the companies could send in an ingredients list into the FDA along with a sample. The FDA will only make things more expensive. Just look at how expensive prescription drugs are if you want evidence of that.
@@scottyhaines4226 hahahahahaha the FDA doesn't make things "more expensive" esp not prescription drugs, they make sure they are safe and contain what the drug companies SAY they do.
@@peterf.229 ask any pharmacist what makes drugs so expensive in the US and they'll tell you the FDA Everytime. The amount of testing and reporting that has to be done before anything hits the market is rediculous. There's no need to do a 10 year study on something that fixes a temporary problem.
there is a measurable difference between supplement contamination and purposefully doping and then making excuses. also if some "supplement" claims to turn you into a superbeast, there is no way that it doesn't include a prohibited ingredient in large enough quantities to create that effect
Even large ‘regulated’ supplement companies like GNC have been caught with batches of product contaminated with banned substances.
If banned substances have been illegally fortified in a product without consumer knowledge the athlete is definitely not culpable.
Yoel Romero is a good example of precedent, a New Jersey court recently awarded him tens of millions of dollars in damages as result of an unscrupulous supplement company contaminating a product with illegal substances.
The solution was not to "trust", but to test all the consumed supplements in a private lab
Damn this is the same things Sean O’Malley tested hot for too...
Just found your channel and subscribed, so interesting. I agree 100% because DE Andre ayton has just been suspended for 25 games and his excuse is I didn't know what I was taking. That is irresponsible, and compromises the whole season for his teammates and fans on Phoenix.
A UFC fighter Sean O'Malley also popped for Ostarine twice in the last year . He also said that there was a tainted supplement.
i didn’t agree with you at first but after hearing your idea it makes a lot of sense and they definitely should do that
I agree with you entirely. You know exactly what you put in your body. The best source of information on this topic is Bisping speaking about it on Joe Rogan's podcast. The guy was in the fight game for over a decade and he said he was not a cautious person. He did not carefully monitor his intake and never failed a test. He said all fighters know when they visit a foreign country to bring their own stuff with them. Bring your own water. Bring your own clothing. Bring your own cleaning products. Trainers will bring guys into camp that will focus on using illegal supplements in small amounts to ensure they can pass a test or it is very deliuted.
what about legal substances that have been contaminated with illegal substances in the factory? do you expect them to take every single container to get tested?
That's why players should their stuff tested first. It's well known certain substances are high risk so they should have everything tested beforehand with so much on the line
steven jefferson it’s called fairy dusting, and supplement company’s usually do it to new products on the market
Only Certain batches get ingredients X
The fines are usually cheaper to pay then class action lawsuits
Always agreed with this, athletes responsibility to know what they're taking, can always ask the teams doctor or nutritionist? Fully agree with your solution too, surely its common sense by know?
On another note I dont know if you're qualified on this but maybe you could do a video on nick kygrios' mentality?
Many supplements products get fairy dusted with certain batches when they first come out
Totally agree. You should absolutely research everything you put in your body. Not knowing the law doesn’t absolve you of breaking the law.
Hunter King banned substances from sports & the law are two completely different subjects
Hgh for example is not a controlled substance. Perfectly legal here in the USA
Dylan Walsh that was an analogy. You could replace law with rules and the meaning stays the same. I give that gotcha attempt a 3/10.
They absolutely should be more accountable and at fault. The bigger problem is (especially in baseball), a player can go out and use all the steroids they want, have a good season or two and they don't care if they get caught or not, because their successful season while doping will still get them paid million (often hundreds of millions) of dollars. Then they'll serve their suspension and still get paid the rest of their huge contract.
Very similar situation to Shayna Jack, an Australian swimmer who was caught for illegal drug use recently and she claimed she didn't know. Athletes should also try and achieve their dietary requirements from diet and supplementation should be used if its necessary, if there's a different situation like theyre travelling or something. An athlete should never use "I didn't know" as an excuse, and should still face the consequences
First Barry Bonds never tested positive for PEDs. Also can you do a video on the yips. I'm not sure if his is more of a mental issue than a medical one. If your the right Dr. please make one. Your channel is the best.
The nfl approved list is small therefore players have to make their own decision to take supplements plus it is well known that places that make supplements can cross different products and taint certain supplements to where they show up on a drug test. So player A can take a supplement for 5 years but one batch can come in contact with a different substance that has a banned substance and therefore would show up on a drug test without the player being at fault but still being punished.
I been thinking, every team should have some sort of a "supplement expert". When you get something, this person will approve it first. Agree with you, players should do their due diligence either way. It seems crazy that this is still such a problem!
Been here since 5k love u man
When a doctor says "I'm sick of it" you shit gets real
What about yoel remerao? He won 27. Million because the supplement was tainted
For an NFL player to independently test every single bottle of product , every time they buy it, would cost and be just plain unnecessary. I mean labels are there so people don't have to do this testing.
Uhuh
This is a great idea Dr. But I don't see the NFL doing that anytime soon. They have other priorities which are much higher on their list. And #1 is "how can we make more money off these athletes?"
sometimes, you remind me of Ben Wyatt from Parks and Rec! haha
They have proven that supplements can be tainted. Yoel Romero won a lawsuit against a supplement company that sold him a container of supplements that were legal, but made at the same facility as a banned supplement. Somehow the banned substance made it's way into the supplement and when he used it he pissed hot on a drug test and earned himself a suspension. A court ruled that Romero was not at fault for taking a banned substance. Most athletes know what is supposed to be in the supplements they are taking, but it is the companies responsibility to make a reliable substance.
Great idea Brian, I agree with your frustration and solution, there's so many problems in sports today that no longer have to exist with the technology and knowledge we currently have, this specific issue is only one of them! Love your work man!
I totally agree. With the resources these guys have, the excuse of “I didn’t know” is pretty ignorant.
It depends on whether the players are instructed, before the season starts, to have their supplements tested. It certainly wouldn't come naturally to me. I think to say otherwise is thinking in hindsight.
If something is in the substance but not on the label, it's like having your drink spiked, if no-one in your club suggested that you should get it tested beforehand.
Sometimes it is not so much about what someone knew but about what that person should have known
I don’t know if it already works like this or not but I think the NFL should work with some of the bigger name companies and have the teams sell these supplements in the teams facility. Therefore if a player fails a test there’s no “I didn’t know”. It limits the player as a far as selection but it will help them not take any harmful substances.
If you think peds are bad in the NFL you should check out track and field
NFL used pain meds as peds
No other sport has sucken that low
Certain things aren’t labeled by supplement companies because the supplement is illegal. Ostarine is illegal so it wouldn’t be labeled by the company which happens this isn’t an excuse but if it’s unlabeled then you wouldn’t know.
But players know this type of stuff happens so they should either only but trusted stuff or they should have things tested. Ostarine isn't ending up in legit good company supplements. It's ending up in shady ones that nobody has heard about
Michael White your an idiot
So you think all these little supplement shops & big companies all illegally sell ostarine & nobody cares ?
It’s actually perfectly legal as a research chemical
It was invented how long ago ? Companies can invent new drugs, faster then politicians can add them to the controlled substance list
It’s not illegal at all
My doctor was working at the Sydney Olympics 2000. I asked him if there's athletes that are on the juice ? He reckons alot of athletes/sports teams are on something they are just way ahead of the testers and the technology & equipment back 1999/2000 would not pick up whats in that person's system
If they set up a lab for for the players, there would be no reasonable excuse for player that are knowingly taking banned substances for their performance benefit. By not setting up a lab they are using this excuse as damage control - which benefits the players, teams, and NFL as a whole.
I agree, athletes making millions could easily test what’s going in their bodies
I fully agree with you on this case, but at the same time I feel like, what if their personal trainer is trying to get more out of them so they throw it in their supplement drinks and whatnot before they give it to the athlete. Again I fully agree that it’s still their fault if they’re being ignorant and buying something online. But if they get a true supplement drink and their trainer thinks throwing in these steroids will help their mentality because they think they’re getting better as well as doing better so now the trainer looks legit.
Same thing happened with Sharapova. She was suspend in 2016 for taking anti-ischemic medication that contained meldonium.
In the UK most sportsman are given a list of banned supplements before their respective season starts, so they know where the lands lies, so no excuse for people to know what is legal and what us not.
It seems like more and more players don't want to know. They want to be able to scream "I didn't know, you can't blame me, how was I supposed to know". And I'm getting tired of it, these are professional athletes, making millions of dollars, any one of these "unknown ingrediants" could end up interacting with something you're prrscribed and then what are you going to do
The mlb made it so that you can only take their supplement sponsor's products. That kills a player's sponsorship opportunities, but it at least stopped the "I didn't know excuse"
Very well said Doc. And for a solution, I really like that idea. Goodell, take some notes on this video.
I totally agree with the solution and somewhat agree that it’s on them. But look what happened to Robert Mathis back when he was playing for the Colts. He was talking fertility drugs because he and wife were having trouble having kids and he got suspended for 4 games because of it. Could he have went to the team doctors to make sure it was safe? Sure. At the same time. You’d think something as simple as a fertility drug wouldn’t have any type of performance enhancers in it. Right?
Yes. Putting chemicals in a product and then not reporting those chemicals on the label is not the athlete's fault. Yoel Romero won several million dollars in court for this very action.
Plausible deniability. That’s why they don’t check.
The players aren't saying "I didn't know" because of any of the reasons you stated. They're saying "I didn't know" in an attempt to save face because they got caught cheating. They're not taking anything accidentally or for lack of knowledge.
Taking whatever white powder someone gives you and mixing it in with your drink is no different from someone giving you a white pill and say "hey, it's good for you man!" and taking it. You should always know what you're putting in your body, whether you're an athlete or not but certainly if you are an athlete, so your livelihood depends on your physical health, and you also have the money to do so.
Can you do a video on the physiology of CBD as there are a ton of athletes now endorsing its use
That’s my guy!!! Gotta teach em a lesson real quick
Multimillion-dollar worth athletes have nutritionists for that, hence there is no excuse. If there were unlabeled banned substances in a supplement, those athletes should sue the supplement companies for 1) putting their health at risk with those substances and 2) career damages and loss of income when they get banned from competition. MMA fighter Yoel Romero did just that and the supplement company was sentenced to pay him $27million. I agree though that athletes should just stick to approved supplements, anything else is (grossly) negligent and they should held accountable.
Love your videos doc. Loved this one too keep growing!
It’s sad that more nfl players take p.e.d’s than not, the majority of nfl players are on something, and it’s only getting worse and worse because other players are having to use them just to compete.
What about an athlete like Yoel Romero? He’s a UFC fighter who just who tested positive for PED. No one believed him but successful proved it was a tainted supplement and won a 28 million dollar suit against the company.
Agreed. A professional athletes every intake should be monitored to produce best results and these drugs may produce effects in the short term, in the long term they endanger the life of the person. It also creates unhealthy competition amongst peers. So all medicine, neutraceuticals or supplements of any kind need to be thoroughly checked.
A player being suspended for using banned substances doesn’t mean steroids, it can mean things like adderall or whatever. They almost never go into specifics in terms of what exactly the substance is. Most people think steroids but no
The phrase “the NFL is doing this for safety reasons” is extremely hypocritical, its a bunch of 300lb men running 20+mph into each other for hours every week for about half the year, then they pump em up with Vicodin and other opioids to make sure even though they’re shoulders, knees and hips are in excruciating pain they can just keep on playing... then when guys take hormones it all of a sudden becomes “player safety” its a bunch of BS! The NFL can care less about player safety, and frankly, pretty much every player in the league knows that! (Disclaimer: this is all my opinion)
I’ve been waiting for opinion pieces from this guy!
i did the same but with a five hour energy and it’s true pressure whenever you feel like you are under performing
The NFL, MLB, UFC, etc should just release their own line of sanctioned supplements for their athletes. That way their athletes get the supplements they need and the organization can validate the accidental claim.
You can either take the supplements provided by us or take a hike. If we make the mistake nothing happens to you, it was on us.
Plus they can market it to the general public and make millions off of it.
Everybody smokes weed in the NFL too. The drug tests are easy to pass and most aren’t actually random. Learned this from a few guys that have played in the NFL.
Agree. You’re making millions of dollars and you have a 6 month long off season. You literally have the time and money to find out everything that’s in that supplement
162 regular game season in the MLB
82 NBA regular season games
16 regular season NFL games (where people are literally putting there bodies at risk for injury EVERY SINGLE GAME) ... performance enhancing drugs are a necessary evil in sports and its about fuckin time people realize it ... and I. D.o.n.t want to here the “its tainting the game” shit anymore , if everyone’s aloud to take something then the playing field is even and the players quality of life will be better do to the ability to recover faster.
To be fair. They could test positive from a prescribed medication. And sometimes they don’t know that, that banned substance was in the medication
And i doubt the first thing for an athlete would be to test their supplement
I agree with you Doc. Sutterer, I am also sick and tired of it.
All major sports leagues should do this
So many excuses nowadays, they know what they are taking and why.
Simply put, they don’t know what they are taking because they don’t bother, it’s as simple as that, they could’ve get one of their entourage to drop it at a lab to test it out before taking it, it cost probably equivalent of 3 mins of what they are being paid to play a game but no, they don’t care and now want to claim innocent, if they actually not doing it on purpose.
I agree with with this.I hope they do the same across all sports. Esp in UFC where we get robbed of dream fights due to issues like these.
I'm sure the NFL could care less about what the players put in their body.
Investigate Tom Brady's "miraculous extended" career at 40+, timed with his "all of a sudden TB 12" supplement and workout company.....Yeah right Tom...🙄😏
@daAnder71 Right on daAnder...😂😂😂🙄
That hgh
It's a PR excuse more than a legitimate excuse if you ask me. Nobody wants to openly admit they wanted an edge
do they test each bottle of supplements?
Yoel Romero actually got away with this excuse because it was legitimate
Stuff Stuff one of the only cases of that
It's not ignorance, quite the contrary, actually. They seek these supplements out purposefully to use as a scapegoat. THAT is why you shouldn't allow yourself to assign any legitimacy to that particular "excuse".
I mean it does make sense if they “didn’t know” wether it was they didn’t know it was a ban or if they didn’t know that a ban item was in a drink. But if they really didn’t know well you gotta pay closer attention
Orrrr, here me out, they took steroids and decided their best plan of action was to blame the supplement company lmao
Totally agree. I mean, I see soccer moms reading the ingredient list on cereal boxes in the grocery store. I'm sure pro athletes can do the same with their supplements.
Once again , you have knocked it out of the park 👍🏽
Thats not even an excuse to taking banned substances. It just make the athletes look even more stupid. You have your body worth ‘’’millions of dollars” and you “don’t know what you’re ingesting”. Thats a pathetic excuse
Sugar Sean O’Malley. A ufc fighter had the same thing. And now the person who made it is going to his court hearing to see if it was on purpose.
And sometimes the people making the powder could’ve had shit in the mixer before.
"I didn't know that arsenic was toxic to add to water" ain't gonna fly in court. Why is this different?