Chanovia While art is subjective and maybe you saw that in FFH, but the theme of living up to Iron Man’s legacy especially postmortem, is a theme that can take multiple movies. I never got the impression that in HC Peter forgoes Iron Man, I just saw it as him accepting that he needs to grow as a hero before trying to take the responsibility of being an Avenger. After Endgame, Peter now is in a place where everyone is looking for him to be greater than he believes he is, and by the end of the movie, with Happy’s speech, he sees that greatness isn’t about being flawless or not making mistakes, it’s just about doing the right thing when you can. But again...art is subjective so I won’t belabor a dead argument.
Well said! Hey may not be torn with finances anymore, but he's still torn socially. Always between the bigger Avengers world "out there" and the "friendly neighborhood" down here. He struggles between both. Homecoming was him trying to be big but accepting to be small. IW was him going big. Far From Home was him struggling to stay small. As you said, he could go cosmic. And that would be awesome. Or he could grow up and get married. That works too.
One important thing you missed was that Peter went big in IW just to stay small since he says "You can't be a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man without a neighborhood. " But he fails to take the gauntlet off of Thanos and says "I'm sorry " to Tony because he thinks he failed. Then he returns only to be greeted with a lot a people wanting him to be the next "Iron Man. " I think that's why I loved FFH because with the context of IW every emotional beat hits hard, especially Tony's grave since Peter blames himself for the death of Tony because he didn't take away the gauntlet. Really looking forward to the future of this Spider-Man because he still has a lot of potential!
I'm glad that we're getting a different Peter Parker story, rather than another version of the same story we've been told hundreds of times before. Thank you for making this
Not really. He pretty much just summed things without dealing what opinion to have about it. He basically just explained that this Peter was introduced as an ensemble character and mainly gets by on crossovers with other characters. For some, that’s enough. For others it isn’t.
Well I love Hitops videos, but my hopes with this video was to mainly try and introduce that this version of Peter who's built on his connected nature has his own worthwhile artistic values and themes that go beyond novelty. Hopefully without too much relying on my opinion or feelings and more on disciplined analysis. But hey, that's my hopes anyways :)
_He didn't do a very good job of actually refuting those points, though, so HiTop's criticisms still stand strong. This version of spiderman just doesn't care about Peter's character in the slightest._
{ FitzPatrick } hitop’s main critique is that this Spider-Man is so different from the source material and doesn’t suffer from the consequences of his actions. This video explains why MCU Spider-Man was never supposed to be like that Spider-Man. He was envisioned as something different from the getgo. I love Hitop films as well by the way but I disagree with most of his analysis on the MCU Spider-Man
@@fitzpatrick4704 MCU Spiderman can still become that Peter though, def since he is still a child and will eventually get older and will have to deal with his own RESPONSIBILITIES.
it annoys me to no end when people constantly compare MCU's spidey to others. It's not meant to be an exact replica of past spidermans otherwise there would be no point in making new renditions. I enjoy seeing multiple unique takes on the character and MCU spiderman is growing to be one of my favourites.
This is what most people who bag on Holland’s rendition of spidey need to see, if you just remake the Raimi movies and don’t change anything then there’s no point in making a new movie. Well put
Spidemian so? I think his motivations throughout his movies aren’t good. His motivations change a lot and it’s not just that. I already knew that was the line he said in civil war and it’s my opinion. I think his fundamentals and especially his motivations aren’t good.
As a huge Spider-Man fan, I keep seeing these sad fanboys that are sad about the mcu version. For me, the comics already do justice to the story of Spider-Man. I don’t need the classic concepts on the big screen. The mcu version is taking the parts of the character that are the punchy, comic-y traits and I think that’s cool! For me, it’s kinda like Peter Pan. There are so many different versions. There’s like 6 different origin stories in the form of novel, cartoon, miniseries, RUclips series and movie. And that’s cool! Want a Peter that’s an old, sad man who’s lost the wonder of his childhood? There’s a movie for that. Want a story that more about a secret society that protects magic? There’s a book series that Peter gets swept up in! The idea of Peter is always roughly the same, but the story that is told is wildly different. I personally LOVE that. Growing up and enjoying each of the iterations at different points of my childhood was awesome! So all the different spideys that exist in comics, novels, cartoons, and movies are still Spider-Man!! And so is the mcu Spider-Man.
Okay... but what if we were to take peter pan, and instead of it being the story of a impish (at times hyperviolent) child whose exiled himself to a swashbuckling fantasy --- and change it to a character who is trapped in Neverland and just is wishing to get out, bitter and depressed about being stuck in Neverland, and carelessly lets Captain Hook take it over because he's instead adolescently nihilistic? You'd probably be upset because right away you would recognize that's *not* Peter Pan. As you referenced Hook to appeal to the versatility of a character, -- yes, changes and reinterpretations of the character and their story can be made. Yes, we can take these stories in directions we've never seen before. But when it gets to the point where it ceases to be subversive and instead effectively *overwrites* the original qualities of the character -- it goes to far and raises the question why the property is even being adapted. That's what's been done to this new take on Spider-Man. All of the surface level components are still there, he's still a young kid, he's a superhero, he has the same powers and he fights the same villains, but the base level personality traits like that Peter Pan analogy I made earlier have been altered to the point of being unrecognizable. Peter Parker is a hyper intelligent nerd who before his spider powers struggled to connect with others and was a subject of ragged bullying. He was a loner who found that his only solution was to recede into himself and immerse himself into his chemistry studies, gifted science abilities, and his Aunt May and Uncle Ben. Leading him to be an emotionally stunted individual who had a variety of neurotic complexes before he even got the spider-bite. Afterwards, -- his call to adventure by becoming a superhero forces him to change his initial tendencies of selfishness and confront his perceptions that the world was out to get him and see the bigger picture -- as well as see that he's found a calling to protect it even at the expense of his own life. At its most basic, Spider-Man's character arc is one from a selfish unsociable character to a dutiful and loyally committed hero. But that's being fundamentally ignored in this version the same way how someone could write Peter Pan to be a nihilistic adolescent to the point that its not a reinterpretation of the character -- it's a reinterpretation of the brand. But to most kids who likely missed the subtext of the original movies and only remember playing with plastic webshooters, I'm sure it makes no difference...
@@nickwalker7850 Peter USED to be a loner before he got his spider powers. In the MCU, Spider-Man’s first appearance is months after Ben died. I still believe that they’ll touch on his origin and his beginning in references and dialogue in the third movie, but the MCU still preserves what makes Spider-Man.. Spider-Man.
Very well constructed video! This is honestly the very first video analysis I've seen of MCU Spidey's actual character and what kind of hero he represents within the MCU. Most video's are primarily just critiques (which I understand), so it's nice to see sommeone at least try to dive into what this version of Peter/Spider-Man has to offer. Just wish we could have more discussions of this nature nowadays.
Thanks! And yeah I also try to put my own personal opinion at the very end rather than shape the whole video to it, so I can be more fair and discover stuff that I may not have realised before, so thanks for noticing!
YES. Yes to all of this. Peter Parker's social connections and the world he lives in now totally alters his circumstances. I'm okay with Tony Stark being this Spider-Man's Uncle Ben figure, I mean he's basically the father of the MCU, so that makes sense. And also, Peter Parker doesn't have to always be a self serious crybaby in a perpetual state of deep depression to be interesting... He can be fun and light-hearted and still have emotional complexity. Not one interpretation of Spider-Man is the same (or right or wrong for that matter)... And also I find a Spider-Man who has opportunities to be in the big leagues but ACTIVELY chooses to be a working class, street level hero (unless it is necessary for him to be a helping hand) is much more interesting and heroic.
One of the main problems with people like HiTop is that their "perfect" version of Spider-man.....is not Spider-man at all, he's basically Angel. Always brooding, constantly mourning Uncle Ben's death, NEVER allowing himself to experience.....life, happiness, not looking up waiting for that shoe to drop. When, in the books, he does just that; and yeah, he has money, problems.....and people problems...and villains who constantly wanna kill him, BUT when that's all sorted out, he can continue living. But according to Hi Top, Peter isn't allowed to go on vacation, or smile.....or celebrate the fact that he saved his friends life.....AND got the girl in the process; which is kinda backwards for someone calling themselves a Spider-man fan.
You perfectly summed up why I love this spider man and why Holland is my favorite live action version. While there are differences that doesn’t mean he isn’t Peter, he’s still the guy willing to get up and fight even when he doesn’t have to or people tell him to stay out of it. He isn’t trying to impress iron man in homecoming but prove that he can be an equal and seen as a great hero. This Peter relates to me, I’m 15 I don’t deal with money troubles, I deal with living up to people I idolize while making my own path, be the best version of me while balancing my responsibility with what I want. Peter Parker is a guy who even when his aunt may is in the hospital, has money problems, loved one died or is being told to stay out of it by a mentor figure, gets up and lives to face another day with his head held up high.
This video is a proper breath of fresh air compared to all the negativity surrounding mcu spooder, and it made me see the character in a relatable perspective that I never considered at first
I’m so tired of people complaining about this Spider-Man’s relationship to Tony Stark, saying he’s not really Spider-Man, and dismissing his defenders as brainless MCU fanboys. He’s different, and that’s not a bad thing.
I love that people love Iron Man being the centre of the MCU until he interferes with other movies lmao. You can't expect him to be the central character and not be a big influence on other characters. The dude was literally Peter's second chance at a father figure.
we can, however, expect not all of peter's narrative to revolve around him. so far all of his villains have been more stark's than his, stark supplied him with his suit and tech, and his personal journeys in both movies revolve around stark and his influence in peter's life. it's tiring and spidey has always been a self made hero
@@ladyus8265 Ffh was the aftermath of endgame & end of all 3 phases if u thought that movie could possibly not deal with ironman in someway ur delusional. It was like the epilogue to Tonys story with the villans being derived from him even after death & marking the beginning of spiderman now being on his own.
This is a very insightful analysis. What you said about a character being recontextualised by their social connections is very true, and it's a big part why I find this iteration of Spidey fascinating. Thank you for summing it up so succinctly! I wish other fans would see it this way instead of bashing the MCU version for not being like the comics or Raimi versions. I'll be checking out the rest of your channel!
Spectacular video, and one that's needed. I feel lately That there's some fans who are still upset that MCU Spidey isn't like the the Rami's Spider-Man.
Mohd Amerul Aidil The MCU Spiderman isn't Spiderman. Spiderman is a character all about doing the responsible thing even if it means giving up stuff that matters to him. I mean yeah, the Raimi movies were corny but that doesn't mean that they're bad. In Spiderman 2 Peter loses his job, his friendship with Harry, his Grades, fails on his rent and loses MJ to another man. And all the bad things that happen to him are a consequence of his double life as Spiderman. When he quits being Spiderman everything in his life improves, but he goes back to being Spiderman because he was given a gift... power and he has to use it to do the right thing. In all of the MCU Spiderman appearances he never had to give up anything major to go and be Spiderman. The only time he gives up anything is any chance to talk to Liz. However this barely matters to him or affects him. In the Raimi films screwing up with MJ made him so depressed he couldn't even use his powers anymore. On another note he's also way too dependent on Ironman. Tony makes his suit and upgrades his Web shooters? What? This was probably done just so they could make Spidey more integrated into the MCU but it makes him less unique. And the fucking boat scene in Homecoming was ruined because there was 0 consequences because Tony Ex Machina shows up and saves everyone. The best part of Homecoming is when he doesn't have the Stark Suit anymore and lifts up the rubble. But still nonetheless the MCU Spiderman faces no consequences where as comic Spiderman views his powers as a curse and even begged Fury once to take them away from him. Even the cartoons did this better, in Spectacular he almost drank a gene cleanser to be normal again but didn't because he was given a responsibility. In the MCU he doesn't view it as a curse and actually loves being Spiderman and is like "yeah I'm an Avenger Ned ain't that cool".
Alpha Jay 3.0 why can't people just accept this version a Peter Parker so what if he doesn't suffer enough consequences it's a different interpretation hell even if Uncle Ben is alive I wouldn't care
what people fail to realize is that Peter Parker's side of life in his school years felt more like a sitcom and were relatively goofy while his spider-man side was filled with drama and mystery and both sides of his life gets filled with more and more drama in his college years , so I'd say MCU spider-man is pretty accurate , I have some complaints like most of the side characters are one dimentional , No mention of uncle Ben , It doesn't have to be a big moment , and I guarantee you the tone will shift in his college years and get more serious like in the comics , some of these video essayists like hitop base their understanding of the character from the raimi movies and claim to know him
THANK you. Absolutely agree with everything you've said. A much more nuanced take that acknowledges the things we lose but highlights the things we GAIN from this version of Spiderman.
I think a part in the middle of the video sums up exactly what I thought was wrong about hi Tom's far from home video. He is too smart in film and I guess spoiled by the stories by rami that he wants spiderman to be exactly like that, but that is that doesn't work. This spiderman is in an universe with iron man and other heroes and has to have a quick pace and build the world, and not just focus solely on spiderman and drama
I’m not big on these MCU Spider-Man films, but honestly this is such a well edited and well constructed analysis video, I genuinely think you’ve allowed me to have a greater appreciation for this version of the character. Still not really a fan of MCU Spidey, I thought he was particularly good in Civil War, but seriously great work!
You know, I want to see MCU Peter use his dumpster findings as a benefit. I LOVED that he was a dumpster diver because it really gave a strong difference of him versus Tony. Tony didn't care for old things, heck he didn't save the arc reactor that kept him alive. Which is why I love MCU Peter, it's because he revels in unappreciated things or things taken for granted. I relate a lot to this Peter, despite the fact we share the same name.
Great video! :D If things work out as they are planned by Marvel Studios we'll get seven more Spider-Man films. So there's always the possibility that we see MCU-Spidey going in the direction of Raimi- or Comic-Spidey. Maybe the first trilogy consists of comedies and the second of dramas. Or maybe Sony makes another reboot, that nobody wants to see...
My hopes is that Sony makes a reboot with Tom Hardy as Spider-man so when the crossover happens he'll be doing dual roles with a bad wig for one character and a schoolboy costume for the other
Damn. I’ve always liked MCU spidey but had some issues and you explained most of them away in this vid. Props this was an amazing video and deconstruction
I think the beginning 3 minutes of this video is something people really need to keep in mind when watching these films. In the context of this universe, Peter probably _wouldn't_ have money problems or some of the other classic "Peter Parker Problems" he's known for, because A) this isn't a comic book where outside of events, other heros don't really matter(or writers ignore them for the sake of a story) or B) It isn't a stand alone property like the Raimi trilogy where other heros don't exist.
You know, I've been trying to explain to people why this version of Spidey is still "comic book accurate," even though it is very different from Raimi or Webb's adaptations. You've succeeded at this marvelously. Thank you.
I'm not being a hater, I LOVE MCU spiderman so much! But I've never read a comic in my life ever before, so what comics is he accurate to exactly? I just wanna know, I mean I don't really care about comic accuracy
@@robl0xgamer258 What an interesting question! I don't know that I would point to specific comics for accuracy. This isn't a cop-out, either. All three movie versions of Spidey have borrowed from different storylines and elements of the character. All of them seem to incorporate elements of the "Ultimate" reboot of the character as well as classic silver-age Spidey (60's and 70's comics). It's more in their use of the stories and incorporation of elements of the character. For instance, both the first Raimi film and the second Webb film incorporated aspects of the Death of Gwen Stacy arc from the early seventies, but went in such different directions with it that the two movies have very few similarities. As far as MCU spidey is concerned, he's still a geek, a bit of a social outcast, he's awkward, he's so busy he barely has time for the few people he calls friends and family. He's very smart, he doesn't have great luck with the ladies, he makes jokes at his enemies' expense while fighting them. All true to the character no matter what version you are talking about. But the minds behind Homecoming and Far From Home intentionally looked to things that hadn't been explored in previous movies. For instance, they intentionally took him out of Manhattan for the majority of both movies because we'd already seen him swing through the skyline of NYC in five movies. This is something that is explored in the comics sometimes but hadn't really been seen on the silver screen. They also avoided the osborn stuff so far, focusing on different villains and story arcs, making a very clever use of the Master Planner arc (I think?), a very iconic moment where Spidey is almost crushed under the weight of a building falling on him, but he summons all of his strength and survives. That came straight from the comics. Peter's relationship with Tony comes from the comics as well, though it is played up in the MCU to make some compelling drama. In the last couple decades of comics, Stark has taken an interest in Peter. He did build him an Iron Spider suit, which he used in the first comic book iteration of Civil War. MCU Spidey is a different take on the character, but few if any of the creative decisions are not in some way based on actual details and plot points from the gigantic library of Spider-Man comics. Hope that helps and isn't too long-winded.
@@xdecatron2985 thats okay my friend! I love thought out comments like this! I wanna add that alot of people hate on me since I like the mcu iron spider suit, the color scheme and design is flawless, but people say, ''you actually like that suit? You're not a real spider-man fan -_-" like that really hurts sometime. Others are like "You like this cgi crap? The suit looks weird!" While yes, its cgi, marvel has good reason for it, that's because like, why would they take time to manufacture a thin bendable like metal for suit? And for the actor to switch in and out of it b/w takes. That would be nightmare full. Plus, I really love the design they went with, if they went with a red and gold version from the comics, people would direct him as iron boy sidekick or something. Also with the character itself! They expect him to grow all by himself in home coming right off the bat, marvel takes time to establish Tom's spidey, and thats what I love about it, the small character development for his character is what makes mcu spiderman great in my opinion!
The thing with HiTop is more that he’s VERY biased when talking about the topics of his videos. He has made some convincing arguments from time to time but they don’t stop being opinion with no value beyond his eyes in an objective manner. He’s a great RUclipsr, but he doesn’t know how to criticize something that isn’t either 100% accurate or something from his childhood.
Lug-Out You explained it better than me. He's a good RUclipsr, and he's worked hard to acquire a respectable following, but he seems to be very black and white about source material accuracy.
patoloquend0 There’s that as well. It’s undeniable that he’s worked his butt off and has put a lot of effort into the editing and writing of his content. While I don’t have an issue with him at all, I feel like his influence in the Spider-Man fandom has also been a factor of the, somewhat, toxic nature of it. Before his essay of Far From Home, he made a thread on Twitter saying how the movie actively hurt him and made him sick. He has the right to say his opinions and dislike the film, like anybody, but he’s continuing to encourage a nasty attitude when talking about movies like MCU Spider-Man’s. For example, the Star Wars fandom felt allowed to get more toxic because they were surrounded by figures being like "yeah, this isn't just a bad film, this actively HURT me" He’s doing the same thing. And so it began with comments like “Good movie, but bad Spider-Man movie”, and so on and so forth.
Lug-Out I agree with you about his influence on the fandom. Before his Homecoming video I can swear I only saw good comments about MCU Spidey. After that, I started to notice more and more people criticizing this iteration of Spidey, and with the same arguments HiTop presented on that video (what a coincidence). I'm not saying he's guilty of this turf war there's going on, maybe I never noticed it before because I never looked in the right places, but he has influenced people's opinion somewhat. It's easier to use another person's arguments rather than coming up with yours.
I'm sure that we will see alot of the "poor" aspects of spiderman either show up when he's in college, or be passed on to miles Morales when he shows up.
Honestly, I think we already have. They've had to move three times since Civil War because of financial issues, it's just never explicitly touched upon in the story of the films (which isn't inherently bad I think).
Please someone show this video to HiTop films so he can understand why people love Tom Holland’s version of Spider-Man, and why it’s different to the Rami films in a good way!
I mean is Tony really taking care of him? Other then the suit he isn’t really well off. He and Aunt May live in a apartment rather then a house in the Suburbs,Peter has a rather small bed room in Civil War and FFH, and Aunt May’s car seems to be really old and crappy.
I'm late (and it's obviously on purpose) but I'm left disgustingly unsatisfied by the exclusion of "WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS" portion of the line. Fantastic work on the whole sir.
Me: This was a nice essay video about Marvel Studio’s Spider Man. I absolutely love this live action movie adaptation of Spidey the best, but also my favourite! I wonder what the viewers gotta say in the comment sec- Looking at some comments are good, but most of them has nothing to do with the video. Me: ........ okay...... I’ll be going now......
Great video man! You showed how this version is different and how Spider-Man can be represented in many ways thanks for the video and keep up the great work
How social connections affect economic status reminds me of how Sam asked Captain America if he found a place in Brooklyn yet and Cap says “I don’t think I could afford a place in Brooklyn”. Him being an Avenger, working close with SHIELD and the government, he still was economically disadvantaged. I don’t think that knowing someone important or even being someone important imply that you’re taken care of
People need to get out of that "everything needs to be as good as spiderman 2 and tobey maguire is irreplaceable" mentality there's no point of making new spiderman movies people will always hate no matter what because they can't accept the fact that it's not the sam raimi trilogy I'm sick of these fanboys that say tobey maguire is the best spiderman because it was their childhood, even if he was part of your childhood (like me) doesn't mean he's the best actor accept the fact that there's a new spider man and stop comparing every detail to the comics and especially not the raimi trilogy I'm really done with that, take the movie as what it is and not to the comics or the raimi trilogy
Same dude, I feel the same way, idk why but I just can't wrap my head around why some raimi fans or spiderman fans in general always compare the trilogy to watts ongoing interpretation, I mean they say stuff like "ah, this is nothing like the raimi films and it'll never be, let it rot in hell" why do they compare the so called "perfect" spiderman with a spiderman film that has the character still undergoing alot of growth within himself as a person and hero. Raimis films about spiderman were incredible, but the development of the characters, while it was good, seemed a bit wonky and unsatisfying to me. Don't get me wrong, I love each interpretation for my own reasons, but I relate to mcu spiderman because of the stakes and problems he has within himself, and I admire that marvel has the guts to explore things like, imposter syndrome and or PTSD that Peter has thanks to Endgame and the death of tony.
@@robl0xgamer258 amazing 👏 You're just spitting facts. And one thing you made me realize that Peter's arc in the og trilogy was a bit unsatisfying, as awsome as these movies were it's just that he feels like he became a hero so easily, he forgives someone so easily etc, he became a saint instantly, don't get me wrong i still like the way they did that but what makes mcu spidey my favorite is that they actually give him a lot of time to become that hero, they don't make him a saint in the first movie, they make him have actual relatble problems that get worse and worse in every movie
@@Whateveridksomething thanks good man! Also, I get shitted on for this because, yknow ffh? People keep saying "Oh peter didn't make his own suit because he used tony machine" like don't they understand that no matter the vessel you use to create something, like a 3d printer to make a figure, you yourself still made that idea happen and come to life (how it looks and fuctions) which means you made it yourself! Same way peter makes his own teched out suit in ffh
@@robl0xgamer258 agreed, i also HATE whenever i go to watch a raimi spiderman scene, there's always comments dissing MCU spiderman, I'd love to go destroy their criticism with someone to help me, you shall receive my trust to destroy those who hate mcu spiderman
@@Whateveridksomething I will, but I wouldn't want to be mean to em, since I don't want to be like the bad guy here. I'll just politely critize them and probably tell them why their claims are invalid and unsupported (because that iron boy claim they use is mostly supported by their bias).
The Raimi movies were about Peter Parker being the defining attribute of his whole world. The Watts movies are about Peter Parker being a small cog in a larger machine. Both are constructed masterfully to fulfill that purpose. And they both make Peter the underdog in a unique and engaging way.
Ya know Mary Jane didn't act like Mary Jane in the raimi movies. She was the one who shot green goblin in the comics. And Spider-Man didn't have organic webbing.
12:00 reminded me of the Harry Potter series. This spiderman could have been a character that people grew alongside over the years! If only SONY and MARVEL would let that happen.
My fear for MCU Spider-Man 3 is that they try to Cater to EVERYONE Critics, MCU fans, General Audiences If they try to do that this Version of MCU Spider-Man is going to be to bland and it will upset everyone they will they cater to, you can't fucking win its either one or the other I think the Whole Uncle Ben stuff should wait until MCU Peter grows up more and enters College, I think that way we can get more of the stories we as fans like but also new ones as well Tom's Spider-Man is going to be here for a while and I think we should let this Peter grow and stop injecting our favorite interpretations into this Version of Spider-Man and see where they go
It's like they get the young Peter Parker everybody wants. But change every little thing around him so we still don't get that solid comic accurate feel. I miss when characters around Peter had more depth than just being comic relief. Ned is always fun but is being the guy in the chair and funny friend all his character has to offer? Or what will his relationship with MJ be now that she knows he's spider-man? Does Aunt May ever mourn for Ben Parker? Do they care that he's dead because of Peter's selfishness? This is why I love the Raimi Trilogy because characters have weight to them. Arcs. Motivation and goals that are clear to understand why they choose certain path.
I agree to an extent, but I also kind of like the more innocuous demeanour the MCU take where all these consequences aren't dwelled upon, in particular it reminds me of the post-ultimatum, ultimate spiderman pop feel that I read and loved as a kid, but hey that's just me
I agree this interpretation of Spider-Man just lacks the depth that famously comes with the character; both in terms of supporting characters and emotinal human consequences.
Usually I'm not really the commenting type but after hearing quite possibly the dumbest analysis of a movie I've ever heard on RUclips a few hours ago, I wanted to pop in and say I really appreciate your thoughts and insights on media and I'm always happy to see content from you. Keep up the great work!
@@TheRealSlimAnus It was some video comparing Peter Jackson's King Kong to Kong: Skull Island. In the middle of the video he goes on a huge rant about how he hates how the US army is portrayed as "heroic" in Skull Island and goes on about how America is the real terrorists or whatever, while blatantly ignoring that the film is blatantly making a statement on how shitty US adventurism is and that dropping bombs everywhere is bad. Kong is blatantly framed as good guy while Samuel L Jackson is pretty clearly a villain, with several characters all but stating this. When called out on it in the comments he said "Well the film should have made that more clear." How else could the film had made its message more clear!? Have Kong turn to the camera and give a huge lecture on the evil of American wars or whatever!? I tend to see this a lot in RUclips analysis, where any ability to see and parse through subtext (and K:SI is pretty much a B movie, it wasn't even subtext it was pretty much text) is almost non-existent. It's why I love Implicitly Pretentious a lot, he sees past the plot and more about the themes and implications of a piece of work.
This was a well an elaborate video you made. Spidey fans need to accept that Marvel's trying something different so what if Uncle Ben wasn't mentionined. The MCU is trying to be creative Plus far from home and homecoming had many Stakes. Why can't people just accept this version of Spider-Man I mean isn't the character opposed to bring us together
@@Legend-io4pz No, are you fucking stupid? Spider-Man fans WILL NOT ACCEPT something THAT BARELY RESEMBLES WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO EMULATE. Peter's character is MISINTERPRETED AND BUTCHERED. It's BLASPHEMY to the SOURCE MATERIAL. You CLEARLY aren't passionate as many of us. Go read a comic and get educated PLEASE.
Completely agree with your points. I love this interoperation of Spider-Man as it’s fits perfectly with the established universe while still being relatively true to the character. On the other hand, I do agree with many people saying that he isn’t really comic accurate, but I’m more than okay with it. I do wish the films rooted his responsibility and heroism to Uncle Ben a little better, not to say there needs to be another death scene but rather a brief conversation with Aunt May about him or him visiting his grave. Beyond that, I have little to complain about this version of Spider-Man. Tom Holland’s Spider-Man is a lighthearted and entertaining character that still manages to tackle themes of self worth and accountability, and it is refreshing finally seeing someone recognize that and objectively talk about what makes this interpretation great.
Well that was cool, I’m glad to see I’m not the only person that analyzes Ironman Spider-Man mcu films like ths ... whew! Ever since the avengers I have really enjoyed the scope that these characters & movies have put everything in. It’s more than exciting to me . I’m an artist and these books have been my inspiration artistically since I was like 12 ... I just hang on my seat for more mcu ... seems like eternities between the films for me . Great channel sir . New sub right here
I think Peter Parkers Cultural Capital can be represented by how we solves de big ant man problem using a reference of Empire Strikes Back, that is also culture and I think it comes and goes in both movies to show the richness of the universe that is now at his disposal.
This video didn't age well especially after this Disney and Sony debacle
"As long as Sony doesn't take him back."
Martin What do you mean?
it's in the past now
Martin well it did now that he’s back in he MCU
@@gavinlopez7302 On jah i want to see what tom holland would look like and act like with the venom symbiote woo
Narrative consistency is more important than comic accuracy. Thank you for this video.
Chanovia Expounding upon a theme especially when said movie is a sequel is not the same as recycling it, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Chanovia While art is subjective and maybe you saw that in FFH, but the theme of living up to Iron Man’s legacy especially postmortem, is a theme that can take multiple movies. I never got the impression that in HC Peter forgoes Iron Man, I just saw it as him accepting that he needs to grow as a hero before trying to take the responsibility of being an Avenger. After Endgame, Peter now is in a place where everyone is looking for him to be greater than he believes he is, and by the end of the movie, with Happy’s speech, he sees that greatness isn’t about being flawless or not making mistakes, it’s just about doing the right thing when you can. But again...art is subjective so I won’t belabor a dead argument.
@@chanovia5912 youre a fucking idiot
Isaiah Goodridge very well said
Comic Accuracy is also still incredibly important and shouldn't be ignored. Just saying.
Well said!
Hey may not be torn with finances anymore, but he's still torn socially. Always between the bigger Avengers world "out there" and the "friendly neighborhood" down here.
He struggles between both. Homecoming was him trying to be big but accepting to be small. IW was him going big. Far From Home was him struggling to stay small.
As you said, he could go cosmic. And that would be awesome. Or he could grow up and get married. That works too.
One important thing you missed was that Peter went big in IW just to stay small since he says "You can't be a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man without a neighborhood. " But he fails to take the gauntlet off of Thanos and says "I'm sorry " to Tony because he thinks he failed. Then he returns only to be greeted with a lot a people wanting him to be the next "Iron Man. " I think that's why I loved FFH because with the context of IW every emotional beat hits hard, especially Tony's grave since Peter blames himself for the death of Tony because he didn't take away the gauntlet. Really looking forward to the future of this Spider-Man because he still has a lot of potential!
@@armchaircritic2248 I didn't look at it that way. I wondered why he said "sorry" in IW.
@@Beastinvader just goes to show how narratively consistent these films are, except the timeline stuff that's an absolute mess
Armchair Critic Good catch about the gauntlet thing. I never noticed that.
@@patoloquend0 I always pay attention to tiny details like that whenever I watch a movie just in case a clever callback might happen at some point
I'm glad that we're getting a different Peter Parker story, rather than another version of the same story we've been told hundreds of times before. Thank you for making this
@@stebanpulido found the raimi fanboy.
@@stebanpulido no you.
@@stebanpulido If you're a Raimi fan you don't deserve it....
In one video, you addressed and explained away all the major complaints Hitop Films and everyone else has with MCU Spider-Man. Perfection
Not really. He pretty much just summed things without dealing what opinion to have about it. He basically just explained that this Peter was introduced as an ensemble character and mainly gets by on crossovers with other characters. For some, that’s enough. For others it isn’t.
Well I love Hitops videos, but my hopes with this video was to mainly try and introduce that this version of Peter who's built on his connected nature has his own worthwhile artistic values and themes that go beyond novelty. Hopefully without too much relying on my opinion or feelings and more on disciplined analysis. But hey, that's my hopes anyways :)
_He didn't do a very good job of actually refuting those points, though, so HiTop's criticisms still stand strong. This version of spiderman just doesn't care about Peter's character in the slightest._
{ FitzPatrick } hitop’s main critique is that this Spider-Man is so different from the source material and doesn’t suffer from the consequences of his actions. This video explains why MCU Spider-Man was never supposed to be like that Spider-Man. He was envisioned as something different from the getgo. I love Hitop films as well by the way but I disagree with most of his analysis on the MCU Spider-Man
@@fitzpatrick4704 MCU Spiderman can still become that Peter though, def since he is still a child and will eventually get older and will have to deal with his own RESPONSIBILITIES.
it annoys me to no end when people constantly compare MCU's spidey to others. It's not meant to be an exact replica of past spidermans otherwise there would be no point in making new renditions. I enjoy seeing multiple unique takes on the character and MCU spiderman is growing to be one of my favourites.
This is what most people who bag on Holland’s rendition of spidey need to see, if you just remake the Raimi movies and don’t change anything then there’s no point in making a new movie. Well put
I see no problem with comparing as long as they show the value of the interpretations as well.
But even when I don't compare him to anything else, and watch him on his own, I don't think his character is fundamentally good.
Spidemian His character fundamentals could be way better. Mainly his motivations. I don’t think they’re good.
Spidemian so? I think his motivations throughout his movies aren’t good. His motivations change a lot and it’s not just that. I already knew that was the line he said in civil war and it’s my opinion. I think his fundamentals and especially his motivations aren’t good.
As a huge Spider-Man fan, I keep seeing these sad fanboys that are sad about the mcu version. For me, the comics already do justice to the story of Spider-Man. I don’t need the classic concepts on the big screen. The mcu version is taking the parts of the character that are the punchy, comic-y traits and I think that’s cool!
For me, it’s kinda like Peter Pan. There are so many different versions. There’s like 6 different origin stories in the form of novel, cartoon, miniseries, RUclips series and movie. And that’s cool! Want a Peter that’s an old, sad man who’s lost the wonder of his childhood? There’s a movie for that. Want a story that more about a secret society that protects magic? There’s a book series that Peter gets swept up in! The idea of Peter is always roughly the same, but the story that is told is wildly different. I personally LOVE that. Growing up and enjoying each of the iterations at different points of my childhood was awesome!
So all the different spideys that exist in comics, novels, cartoons, and movies are still Spider-Man!! And so is the mcu Spider-Man.
I wish everyone would understand it like that...
Preach my guy. If MCU Spider-Man was just a carbon copy of the Raimi films and the Spectacular cartoon, then it would make those less special.
Okay... but what if we were to take peter pan, and instead of it being the story of a impish (at times hyperviolent) child whose exiled himself to a swashbuckling fantasy --- and change it to a character who is trapped in Neverland and just is wishing to get out, bitter and depressed about being stuck in Neverland, and carelessly lets Captain Hook take it over because he's instead adolescently nihilistic?
You'd probably be upset because right away you would recognize that's *not* Peter Pan.
As you referenced Hook to appeal to the versatility of a character, -- yes, changes and reinterpretations of the character and their story can be made. Yes, we can take these stories in directions we've never seen before. But when it gets to the point where it ceases to be subversive and instead effectively *overwrites* the original qualities of the character -- it goes to far and raises the question why the property is even being adapted.
That's what's been done to this new take on Spider-Man. All of the surface level components are still there, he's still a young kid, he's a superhero, he has the same powers and he fights the same villains, but the base level personality traits like that Peter Pan analogy I made earlier have been altered to the point of being unrecognizable.
Peter Parker is a hyper intelligent nerd who before his spider powers struggled to connect with others and was a subject of ragged bullying. He was a loner who found that his only solution was to recede into himself and immerse himself into his chemistry studies, gifted science abilities, and his Aunt May and Uncle Ben. Leading him to be an emotionally stunted individual who had a variety of neurotic complexes before he even got the spider-bite. Afterwards, -- his call to adventure by becoming a superhero forces him to change his initial tendencies of selfishness and confront his perceptions that the world was out to get him and see the bigger picture -- as well as see that he's found a calling to protect it even at the expense of his own life.
At its most basic, Spider-Man's character arc is one from a selfish unsociable character to a dutiful and loyally committed hero.
But that's being fundamentally ignored in this version the same way how someone could write Peter Pan to be a nihilistic adolescent to the point that its not a reinterpretation of the character -- it's a reinterpretation of the brand.
But to most kids who likely missed the subtext of the original movies and only remember playing with plastic webshooters, I'm sure it makes no difference...
@@nickwalker7850 You're late Mr. fanboy, don't like it don't watch it.
@@nickwalker7850 Peter USED to be a loner before he got his spider powers. In the MCU, Spider-Man’s first appearance is months after Ben died. I still believe that they’ll touch on his origin and his beginning in references and dialogue in the third movie, but the MCU still preserves what makes Spider-Man.. Spider-Man.
Putting your key points in text on the screen is really helpful, cuz you talk in a lot of complex terms. Its easier to process what you're saying
Thanks! That's really useful to hear, I'll keep doing it in the future then!
Very well constructed video!
This is honestly the very first video analysis I've seen of MCU Spidey's actual character and what kind of hero he represents within the MCU. Most video's are primarily just critiques (which I understand), so it's nice to see sommeone at least try to dive into what this version of Peter/Spider-Man has to offer. Just wish we could have more discussions of this nature nowadays.
Thanks! And yeah I also try to put my own personal opinion at the very end rather than shape the whole video to it, so I can be more fair and discover stuff that I may not have realised before, so thanks for noticing!
YES. Yes to all of this. Peter Parker's social connections and the world he lives in now totally alters his circumstances. I'm okay with Tony Stark being this Spider-Man's Uncle Ben figure, I mean he's basically the father of the MCU, so that makes sense. And also, Peter Parker doesn't have to always be a self serious crybaby in a perpetual state of deep depression to be interesting... He can be fun and light-hearted and still have emotional complexity. Not one interpretation of Spider-Man is the same (or right or wrong for that matter)... And also I find a Spider-Man who has opportunities to be in the big leagues but ACTIVELY chooses to be a working class, street level hero (unless it is necessary for him to be a helping hand) is much more interesting and heroic.
One of the main problems with people like HiTop is that their "perfect" version of Spider-man.....is not Spider-man at all, he's basically Angel. Always brooding, constantly mourning Uncle Ben's death, NEVER allowing himself to experience.....life, happiness, not looking up waiting for that shoe to drop. When, in the books, he does just that; and yeah, he has money, problems.....and people problems...and villains who constantly wanna kill him, BUT when that's all sorted out, he can continue living. But according to Hi Top, Peter isn't allowed to go on vacation, or smile.....or celebrate the fact that he saved his friends life.....AND got the girl in the process; which is kinda backwards for someone calling themselves a Spider-man fan.
But spiderman isnt always brooding about uncleben in the raimi films abd actually enjoys himself in those filns its just not high lighted.
That is one of my biggest problems about the TASM movies, Spider-Man takes himself way too seriously.
@@rorschach5510 he’s maybe not brooding about Uncle Ben specifically, but Raimi Spider-Man was always crying about something
@@abusalehahmedroop2138 No he doesn’t
@@rnspurgn3015 because in the raimi trilogy peter's life is hell compared to other version's of spidey
You put all the thoughts I didn't know how to express in words. This was awesome
You perfectly summed up why I love this spider man and why Holland is my favorite live action version. While there are differences that doesn’t mean he isn’t Peter, he’s still the guy willing to get up and fight even when he doesn’t have to or people tell him to stay out of it. He isn’t trying to impress iron man in homecoming but prove that he can be an equal and seen as a great hero. This Peter relates to me, I’m 15 I don’t deal with money troubles, I deal with living up to people I idolize while making my own path, be the best version of me while balancing my responsibility with what I want. Peter Parker is a guy who even when his aunt may is in the hospital, has money problems, loved one died or is being told to stay out of it by a mentor figure, gets up and lives to face another day with his head held up high.
This video is a proper breath of fresh air compared to all the negativity surrounding mcu spooder, and it made me see the character in a relatable perspective that I never considered at first
Oh wow thanks!
I’m so tired of people complaining about this Spider-Man’s relationship to Tony Stark, saying he’s not really Spider-Man, and dismissing his defenders as brainless MCU fanboys. He’s different, and that’s not a bad thing.
Mike Jack I found the rami fanboy
@@coolioschoolio4359 Found another Kyle boys recruit him for the area 51 raid
@@PunxTV123 Try to have proper spelling and learn how to formulate sentences correctly
Yonathan Solano You found me. Now give me monster or I’ll punch all of you walls
@Mike Jack nah
Sam Raimi fans: You'll change my mind when you fix this *DAMN* door
Me: groans at this comment
@Vlodiz lol
You spelled HiTop Films wrong
@@7331F0X lol
@@7331F0X Who?
I like what you do, my guy. Keep this stuff up!
Thanks! That's so kind of you!
Yooo channel pup i love your vids bro
I love that people love Iron Man being the centre of the MCU until he interferes with other movies lmao. You can't expect him to be the central character and not be a big influence on other characters. The dude was literally Peter's second chance at a father figure.
we can, however, expect not all of peter's narrative to revolve around him. so far all of his villains have been more stark's than his, stark supplied him with his suit and tech, and his personal journeys in both movies revolve around stark and his influence in peter's life. it's tiring and spidey has always been a self made hero
@@ladyus8265 Ffh was the aftermath of endgame & end of all 3 phases if u thought that movie could possibly not deal with ironman in someway ur delusional. It was like the epilogue to Tonys story with the villans being derived from him even after death & marking the beginning of spiderman now being on his own.
This is a very insightful analysis. What you said about a character being recontextualised by their social connections is very true, and it's a big part why I find this iteration of Spidey fascinating. Thank you for summing it up so succinctly!
I wish other fans would see it this way instead of bashing the MCU version for not being like the comics or Raimi versions.
I'll be checking out the rest of your channel!
Thank you! That's really kind of you!
Agreed.
Spectacular video, and one that's needed. I feel lately That there's some fans who are still upset that MCU Spidey isn't like the the Rami's Spider-Man.
Thanks! And yeah I tried to be as fair as I could and not alienate anyone
I'm more so upset that he's nothing like Peter Parker.
@Mohd Amerul Aidil lol, "for no reason".
Mohd Amerul Aidil The MCU Spiderman isn't Spiderman. Spiderman is a character all about doing the responsible thing even if it means giving up stuff that matters to him.
I mean yeah, the Raimi movies were corny but that doesn't mean that they're bad. In Spiderman 2 Peter loses his job, his friendship with Harry, his Grades, fails on his rent and loses MJ to another man. And all the bad things that happen to him are a consequence of his double life as Spiderman. When he quits being Spiderman everything in his life improves, but he goes back to being Spiderman because he was given a gift... power and he has to use it to do the right thing.
In all of the MCU Spiderman appearances he never had to give up anything major to go and be Spiderman. The only time he gives up anything is any chance to talk to Liz. However this barely matters to him or affects him. In the Raimi films screwing up with MJ made him so depressed he couldn't even use his powers anymore.
On another note he's also way too dependent on Ironman. Tony makes his suit and upgrades his Web shooters? What? This was probably done just so they could make Spidey more integrated into the MCU but it makes him less unique. And the fucking boat scene in Homecoming was ruined because there was 0 consequences because Tony Ex Machina shows up and saves everyone. The best part of Homecoming is when he doesn't have the Stark Suit anymore and lifts up the rubble. But still nonetheless the MCU Spiderman faces no consequences where as comic Spiderman views his powers as a curse and even begged Fury once to take them away from him. Even the cartoons did this better, in Spectacular he almost drank a gene cleanser to be normal again but didn't because he was given a responsibility. In the MCU he doesn't view it as a curse and actually loves being Spiderman and is like "yeah I'm an Avenger Ned ain't that cool".
Alpha Jay 3.0 why can't people just accept this version a Peter Parker so what if he doesn't suffer enough consequences it's a different interpretation hell even if Uncle Ben is alive I wouldn't care
what people fail to realize is that Peter Parker's side of life in his school years felt more like a sitcom and were relatively goofy while his spider-man side was filled with drama and mystery and both sides of his life gets filled with more and more drama in his college years , so I'd say MCU spider-man is pretty accurate , I have some complaints like most of the side characters are one dimentional , No mention of uncle Ben , It doesn't have to be a big moment , and I guarantee you the tone will shift in his college years and get more serious like in the comics , some of these video essayists like hitop base their understanding of the character from the raimi movies and claim to know him
Iron Man: being Feige
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The Sinking Ship: being Sony
I cackled too much
Oh that's good, I wasn't sure if it was a cheap joke or something :)
THANK you. Absolutely agree with everything you've said. A much more nuanced take that acknowledges the things we lose but highlights the things we GAIN from this version of Spiderman.
I think a part in the middle of the video sums up exactly what I thought was wrong about hi Tom's far from home video.
He is too smart in film and I guess spoiled by the stories by rami that he wants spiderman to be exactly like that, but that is that doesn't work. This spiderman is in an universe with iron man and other heroes and has to have a quick pace and build the world, and not just focus solely on spiderman and drama
You really, really, really, really, really, really, really deserve a lot more subscribers.
I’m not big on these MCU Spider-Man films, but honestly this is such a well edited and well constructed analysis video, I genuinely think you’ve allowed me to have a greater appreciation for this version of the character. Still not really a fan of MCU Spidey, I thought he was particularly good in Civil War, but seriously great work!
I just realized. The cop scene. Wasn't in. The movie. GODDA-
Yeah, I cant wait for the short film that it'll include though. That'll be fun hopefully
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You know, I want to see MCU Peter use his dumpster findings as a benefit. I LOVED that he was a dumpster diver because it really gave a strong difference of him versus Tony. Tony didn't care for old things, heck he didn't save the arc reactor that kept him alive. Which is why I love MCU Peter, it's because he revels in unappreciated things or things taken for granted. I relate a lot to this Peter, despite the fact we share the same name.
Great video! :D
If things work out as they are planned by Marvel Studios we'll get seven more Spider-Man films. So there's always the possibility that we see MCU-Spidey going in the direction of Raimi- or Comic-Spidey. Maybe the first trilogy consists of comedies and the second of dramas.
Or maybe Sony makes another reboot, that nobody wants to see...
My hopes is that Sony makes a reboot with Tom Hardy as Spider-man so when the crossover happens he'll be doing dual roles with a bad wig for one character and a schoolboy costume for the other
Damn. I’ve always liked MCU spidey but had some issues and you explained most of them away in this vid. Props this was an amazing video and deconstruction
I think the beginning 3 minutes of this video is something people really need to keep in mind when watching these films. In the context of this universe, Peter probably _wouldn't_ have money problems or some of the other classic "Peter Parker Problems" he's known for, because A) this isn't a comic book where outside of events, other heros don't really matter(or writers ignore them for the sake of a story) or B) It isn't a stand alone property like the Raimi trilogy where other heros don't exist.
You know, I've been trying to explain to people why this version of Spidey is still "comic book accurate," even though it is very different from Raimi or Webb's adaptations. You've succeeded at this marvelously. Thank you.
I'm not being a hater, I LOVE MCU spiderman so much! But I've never read a comic in my life ever before, so what comics is he accurate to exactly? I just wanna know, I mean I don't really care about comic accuracy
@@robl0xgamer258 What an interesting question! I don't know that I would point to specific comics for accuracy. This isn't a cop-out, either. All three movie versions of Spidey have borrowed from different storylines and elements of the character. All of them seem to incorporate elements of the "Ultimate" reboot of the character as well as classic silver-age Spidey (60's and 70's comics). It's more in their use of the stories and incorporation of elements of the character. For instance, both the first Raimi film and the second Webb film incorporated aspects of the Death of Gwen Stacy arc from the early seventies, but went in such different directions with it that the two movies have very few similarities. As far as MCU spidey is concerned, he's still a geek, a bit of a social outcast, he's awkward, he's so busy he barely has time for the few people he calls friends and family. He's very smart, he doesn't have great luck with the ladies, he makes jokes at his enemies' expense while fighting them. All true to the character no matter what version you are talking about. But the minds behind Homecoming and Far From Home intentionally looked to things that hadn't been explored in previous movies. For instance, they intentionally took him out of Manhattan for the majority of both movies because we'd already seen him swing through the skyline of NYC in five movies. This is something that is explored in the comics sometimes but hadn't really been seen on the silver screen. They also avoided the osborn stuff so far, focusing on different villains and story arcs, making a very clever use of the Master Planner arc (I think?), a very iconic moment where Spidey is almost crushed under the weight of a building falling on him, but he summons all of his strength and survives. That came straight from the comics. Peter's relationship with Tony comes from the comics as well, though it is played up in the MCU to make some compelling drama. In the last couple decades of comics, Stark has taken an interest in Peter. He did build him an Iron Spider suit, which he used in the first comic book iteration of Civil War. MCU Spidey is a different take on the character, but few if any of the creative decisions are not in some way based on actual details and plot points from the gigantic library of Spider-Man comics. Hope that helps and isn't too long-winded.
@@xdecatron2985 thats okay my friend! I love thought out comments like this! I wanna add that alot of people hate on me since I like the mcu iron spider suit, the color scheme and design is flawless, but people say, ''you actually like that suit? You're not a real spider-man fan -_-" like that really hurts sometime. Others are like "You like this cgi crap? The suit looks weird!" While yes, its cgi, marvel has good reason for it, that's because like, why would they take time to manufacture a thin bendable like metal for suit? And for the actor to switch in and out of it b/w takes. That would be nightmare full. Plus, I really love the design they went with, if they went with a red and gold version from the comics, people would direct him as iron boy sidekick or something. Also with the character itself! They expect him to grow all by himself in home coming right off the bat, marvel takes time to establish Tom's spidey, and thats what I love about it, the small character development for his character is what makes mcu spiderman great in my opinion!
@@robl0xgamer258 I love the iron spider suit. So glad they used it in Infinity War
@@xdecatron2985 me too! Have a happy Halloween my friend, hope you have a great day, I'm glad I talked to ya!
I would love to watch a debate with hi top films
All HiTop would do is bring up the comics and the Raimi films. It would get boring fast
The thing with HiTop is more that he’s VERY biased when talking about the topics of his videos. He has made some convincing arguments from time to time but they don’t stop being opinion with no value beyond his eyes in an objective manner.
He’s a great RUclipsr, but he doesn’t know how to criticize something that isn’t either 100% accurate or something from his childhood.
Lug-Out You explained it better than me. He's a good RUclipsr, and he's worked hard to acquire a respectable following, but he seems to be very black and white about source material accuracy.
patoloquend0 There’s that as well. It’s undeniable that he’s worked his butt off and has put a lot of effort into the editing and writing of his content. While I don’t have an issue with him at all, I feel like his influence in the Spider-Man fandom has also been a factor of the, somewhat, toxic nature of it.
Before his essay of Far From Home, he made a thread on Twitter saying how the movie actively hurt him and made him sick. He has the right to say his opinions and dislike the film, like anybody, but he’s continuing to encourage a nasty attitude when talking about movies like MCU Spider-Man’s. For example, the Star Wars fandom felt allowed to get more toxic because they were surrounded by figures being like "yeah, this isn't just a bad film, this actively HURT me"
He’s doing the same thing. And so it began with comments like “Good movie, but bad Spider-Man movie”, and so on and so forth.
Lug-Out I agree with you about his influence on the fandom. Before his Homecoming video I can swear I only saw good comments about MCU Spidey. After that, I started to notice more and more people criticizing this iteration of Spidey, and with the same arguments HiTop presented on that video (what a coincidence). I'm not saying he's guilty of this turf war there's going on, maybe I never noticed it before because I never looked in the right places, but he has influenced people's opinion somewhat. It's easier to use another person's arguments rather than coming up with yours.
Laughing so hard at all the rami shills in the comments
This is exactly how I've felt about the character, just explained way better haha. 100% agree with this.
I'm sure that we will see alot of the "poor" aspects of spiderman either show up when he's in college, or be passed on to miles Morales when he shows up.
Honestly, I think we already have. They've had to move three times since Civil War because of financial issues, it's just never explicitly touched upon in the story of the films (which isn't inherently bad I think).
Implicitly Pretentious>>>>>>>>>>>>HiTop Clowns
This Guy Has The Opinion I Have>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This Guy Disagrees With Me
Thank you for making me love this version of Spider-Man again. For once someone on the internet has something actually good to say
I'm glad the RUclips Algorithm led me here, this was a great watch
Oh wow, that's so weird to hear that RUclips would share video, thanks!
Please someone show this video to HiTop films so he can understand why people love Tom Holland’s version of Spider-Man, and why it’s different to the Rami films in a good way!
I mean is Tony really taking care of him? Other then the suit he isn’t really well off. He and Aunt May live in a apartment rather then a house in the Suburbs,Peter has a rather small bed room in Civil War and FFH, and Aunt May’s car seems to be really old and crappy.
You have a great skill for analysis in your videos!
You sum up mcu Spidey perfectly, you put in words I can never put
You definitely deserve more subscribers
Thanks!
agreed
"As long as Sony doesn't take him back" :'(
When did he say this? Time stamp?
I'm late (and it's obviously on purpose) but I'm left disgustingly unsatisfied by the exclusion of "WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS" portion of the line. Fantastic work on the whole sir.
can’t wait for that identity video essay too, i can’t get enough of your ideas dude
Thanks! Now I've got to wait for the home release to get the footage!
Tbh, Homecoming reminded me why I loved Spider-Man in the first place.
Me: This was a nice essay video about Marvel Studio’s Spider Man. I absolutely love this live action movie adaptation of Spidey the best, but also my favourite! I wonder what the viewers gotta say in the comment sec-
Looking at some comments are good, but most of them has nothing to do with the video.
Me: ........ okay...... I’ll be going now......
The 94 dislikes are all hitop films burner accounts
Great video man! You showed how this version is different and how Spider-Man can be represented in many ways thanks for the video and keep up the great work
Thank you!
You should make a video about Ant-Man and the themes of succession (Hank to Scott; Hank to Cross, etc.). Love your content, dude!
*I NEED MORE MCU SPIDEY!!*
How social connections affect economic status reminds me of how Sam asked Captain America if he found a place in Brooklyn yet and Cap says “I don’t think I could afford a place in Brooklyn”. Him being an Avenger, working close with SHIELD and the government, he still was economically disadvantaged. I don’t think that knowing someone important or even being someone important imply that you’re taken care of
People need to get out of that "everything needs to be as good as spiderman 2 and tobey maguire is irreplaceable" mentality there's no point of making new spiderman movies people will always hate no matter what because they can't accept the fact that it's not the sam raimi trilogy I'm sick of these fanboys that say tobey maguire is the best spiderman because it was their childhood, even if he was part of your childhood (like me) doesn't mean he's the best actor accept the fact that there's a new spider man and stop comparing every detail to the comics and especially not the raimi trilogy I'm really done with that, take the movie as what it is and not to the comics or the raimi trilogy
Same dude, I feel the same way, idk why but I just can't wrap my head around why some raimi fans or spiderman fans in general always compare the trilogy to watts ongoing interpretation, I mean they say stuff like "ah, this is nothing like the raimi films and it'll never be, let it rot in hell" why do they compare the so called "perfect" spiderman with a spiderman film that has the character still undergoing alot of growth within himself as a person and hero. Raimis films about spiderman were incredible, but the development of the characters, while it was good, seemed a bit wonky and unsatisfying to me. Don't get me wrong, I love each interpretation for my own reasons, but I relate to mcu spiderman because of the stakes and problems he has within himself, and I admire that marvel has the guts to explore things like, imposter syndrome and or PTSD that Peter has thanks to Endgame and the death of tony.
@@robl0xgamer258 amazing 👏
You're just spitting facts. And one thing you made me realize that Peter's arc in the og trilogy was a bit unsatisfying, as awsome as these movies were it's just that he feels like he became a hero so easily, he forgives someone so easily etc, he became a saint instantly, don't get me wrong i still like the way they did that but what makes mcu spidey my favorite is that they actually give him a lot of time to become that hero, they don't make him a saint in the first movie, they make him have actual relatble problems that get worse and worse in every movie
@@Whateveridksomething thanks good man! Also, I get shitted on for this because, yknow ffh? People keep saying "Oh peter didn't make his own suit because he used tony machine" like don't they understand that no matter the vessel you use to create something, like a 3d printer to make a figure, you yourself still made that idea happen and come to life (how it looks and fuctions) which means you made it yourself! Same way peter makes his own teched out suit in ffh
@@robl0xgamer258 agreed, i also HATE whenever i go to watch a raimi spiderman scene, there's always comments dissing MCU spiderman, I'd love to go destroy their criticism with someone to help me, you shall receive my trust to destroy those who hate mcu spiderman
@@Whateveridksomething I will, but I wouldn't want to be mean to em, since I don't want to be like the bad guy here. I'll just politely critize them and probably tell them why their claims are invalid and unsupported (because that iron boy claim they use is mostly supported by their bias).
BLESS THIS VIDEO
Thank you!
HiTop needs to see this
The Raimi movies were about Peter Parker being the defining attribute of his whole world. The Watts movies are about Peter Parker being a small cog in a larger machine. Both are constructed masterfully to fulfill that purpose. And they both make Peter the underdog in a unique and engaging way.
The MCU does it at the expense of comic accuracy. Simple and that's the fucking problem.
@@TheRobloxianTacoLord So did the Raimi movies.
Ya know Mary Jane didn't act like Mary Jane in the raimi movies. She was the one who shot green goblin in the comics. And Spider-Man didn't have organic webbing.
I have so much fun and find peace in your channel. Thank you.
Oh wow thanks, that's so incredibly flattering!
12:00 reminded me of the Harry Potter series. This spiderman could have been a character that people grew alongside over the years!
If only SONY and MARVEL would let that happen.
When Sony tried to take this from us, they learned the hard way that you don't fuck with the Mouse.
These movies are still shot like a Disney channel movie
My fear for MCU Spider-Man 3 is that they try to Cater to EVERYONE
Critics, MCU fans, General Audiences
If they try to do that this Version of MCU Spider-Man is going to be to bland and it will upset everyone they will they cater to, you can't fucking win its either one or the other
I think the Whole Uncle Ben stuff should wait until MCU Peter grows up more and enters College, I think that way we can get more of the stories we as fans like but also new ones as well
Tom's Spider-Man is going to be here for a while and I think we should let this Peter grow and stop injecting our favorite interpretations into this Version of Spider-Man and see where they go
*reads title*
Damn right Tom Holland is beautiful
Thank you. I wish people could understand this as well as you did.
He is comic book accurate too!
It's like they get the young Peter Parker everybody wants. But change every little thing around him so we still don't get that solid comic accurate feel. I miss when characters around Peter had more depth than just being comic relief. Ned is always fun but is being the guy in the chair and funny friend all his character has to offer? Or what will his relationship with MJ be now that she knows he's spider-man? Does Aunt May ever mourn for Ben Parker? Do they care that he's dead because of Peter's selfishness? This is why I love the Raimi Trilogy because characters have weight to them. Arcs. Motivation and goals that are clear to understand why they choose certain path.
I agree to an extent, but I also kind of like the more innocuous demeanour the MCU take where all these consequences aren't dwelled upon, in particular it reminds me of the post-ultimatum, ultimate spiderman pop feel that I read and loved as a kid, but hey that's just me
I agree this interpretation of Spider-Man just lacks the depth that famously comes with the character; both in terms of supporting characters and emotinal human consequences.
IntRoVertsRus I can’t stand the Raimi trilogy
@@md03250 Why?
Yea I miss MJ being a hoe
This essay is amazingly well done. I've subscribed.
the wrap-up on this video is making me tear up in the wake of the potential sony/marvel split.
This video spits facts and knowledge about mcu spidey. Keep up the great work I’m gonna sub 👍
A sad day for this to be recommended for me. Hoping Sony and Disney find a common ground.
Great video. Far from home fixed all the issues I had with Spidey in the MCU
Is that a good thing? I'm confused about what you said good sir/ma'am. Also, did you enjoy ffh? Its fine if you didn't, we all have opinions here :D
LOL, damn helicopters!! (same crap at my house all day) BTW, love the video
Thanks! And yeah it was my third time recording the video that day so goddamnit I was angry lol
Usually I'm not really the commenting type but after hearing quite possibly the dumbest analysis of a movie I've ever heard on RUclips a few hours ago, I wanted to pop in and say I really appreciate your thoughts and insights on media and I'm always happy to see content from you. Keep up the great work!
Captain Falcon What was the video? Just curious.
@@TheRealSlimAnus It was some video comparing Peter Jackson's King Kong to Kong: Skull Island. In the middle of the video he goes on a huge rant about how he hates how the US army is portrayed as "heroic" in Skull Island and goes on about how America is the real terrorists or whatever, while blatantly ignoring that the film is blatantly making a statement on how shitty US adventurism is and that dropping bombs everywhere is bad. Kong is blatantly framed as good guy while Samuel L Jackson is pretty clearly a villain, with several characters all but stating this.
When called out on it in the comments he said "Well the film should have made that more clear." How else could the film had made its message more clear!? Have Kong turn to the camera and give a huge lecture on the evil of American wars or whatever!?
I tend to see this a lot in RUclips analysis, where any ability to see and parse through subtext (and K:SI is pretty much a B movie, it wasn't even subtext it was pretty much text) is almost non-existent. It's why I love Implicitly Pretentious a lot, he sees past the plot and more about the themes and implications of a piece of work.
@Captain Falcon lol your whole essay about kong came out of nowhere lmao I was not expecting that. I’m gonna watch it know too see for myself
if your videos keep this level of quality and analysis going forward, you will easily be one of the top in this genre of youtubers, great work!
“Simply knowing Iron Man would relieve Peter Parker of the need to deliver Pizzas”
Sam Wilson: “Am I a joke to you?”
I just watched this after finding out the Sony and Disney deal fell apart. Heart = Broken
I appreciate your Ultimate Spider-Man collection.
I really like your videos. I respect being able to say a lot in less time; usually these types of video essays are 30+ minutes
Wow! I never realized that how smoothly he was introduced in Civil War in such a short time.
I’m also excited man. Great video
Thanks!
Thank you for making this video.
RIP Spider-Man :(
Hopefully he will be able to stay
This channel needs way more subs
Well I mean Tom Holland is beautiful so I’m not disagreeing with you
Im just floored by your video essay, well done! Love this and spidey =)
As someone who dresses like spidey thank you for this video
This was a well an elaborate video you made. Spidey fans need to accept that Marvel's trying something different so what if Uncle Ben wasn't mentionined. The MCU is trying to be creative Plus far from home and homecoming had many Stakes. Why can't people just accept this version of Spider-Man I mean isn't the character opposed to bring us together
So what if Uncle Ben was alive or dad I personally don't care to be honest
@@Legend-io4pz No, are you fucking stupid? Spider-Man fans WILL NOT ACCEPT something THAT BARELY RESEMBLES WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO EMULATE. Peter's character is MISINTERPRETED AND BUTCHERED. It's BLASPHEMY to the SOURCE MATERIAL. You CLEARLY aren't passionate as many of us. Go read a comic and get educated PLEASE.
Completely agree with your points. I love this interoperation of Spider-Man as it’s fits perfectly with the established universe while still being relatively true to the character. On the other hand, I do agree with many people saying that he isn’t really comic accurate, but I’m more than okay with it. I do wish the films rooted his responsibility and heroism to Uncle Ben a little better, not to say there needs to be another death scene but rather a brief conversation with Aunt May about him or him visiting his grave. Beyond that, I have little to complain about this version of Spider-Man. Tom Holland’s Spider-Man is a lighthearted and entertaining character that still manages to tackle themes of self worth and accountability, and it is refreshing finally seeing someone recognize that and objectively talk about what makes this interpretation great.
last lines hit different now
Somebody show this to the Hightop Films kid. He needs to see this
Stop pitting people against each other just because they have deferring ideas.
Well that was cool, I’m glad to see I’m not the only person that analyzes Ironman Spider-Man mcu films like ths ... whew! Ever since the avengers I have really enjoyed the scope that these characters & movies have put everything in. It’s more than exciting to me . I’m an artist and these books have been my inspiration artistically since I was like 12 ... I just hang on my seat for more mcu ... seems like eternities between the films for me . Great channel sir . New sub right here
If people who got picked on at work became supervillains I expect Galaga Guy to be the final boss
Why on earth is this comments section full of people talking about the Hitop video instead of this video?
Happy will take care of him.
Cultural Capital is played out with his movie references
THANK YOU for this!
I think Peter Parkers Cultural Capital can be represented by how we solves de big ant man problem using a reference of Empire Strikes Back, that is also culture and I think it comes and goes in both movies to show the richness of the universe that is now at his disposal.
Amazing video, man!
Thank you!