Ant-man admires cap but it isn’t central to his character, it’s just a quirk of his personality that is briefly mentioned, while iron man was central to peter’s arc and was practically peter’s whole character. Scott respects him because he represents how real life people would interact with these heroes if they were real, he just respects him like some real life people do, while spider-man is literally an iron man Stan which isn’t good, Scott is a character who exists and evolves without cap’s influence, he exists without captain America, while all peter’s growth is directly tied to Tony stark, (before no way home) without Tony Peter is just a place holder, not a real character
I think it's worth to mention that Uncle Ben was mentioned in the MCU, just not directly. But yeah it's not much and it's the point. Ben overall in Peter's early career is like your deceased father: you live on your own after his death, try to reach your own goals, but when you're at your worst, you know the memories of him and his values will help you to rise again. It is the case for me for sure!
Also Peter does mention Uncle Ben in What If? So it shows that Uncle Ben definitely had some impact on him, and he’s willing to stay optimistic even after his death and even during the literal zombie apocalypse
I just rewatched Homecoming last night, and more than ever I find a lot of the arguments being responded to here very silly, especially the idea Peter doesn’t suffer “real consequences.” Kid is consistently put through the emotional and physical wringer in every appearance.
Personally I blame hitop films. I know it seems dumb to blame one individual, but he’s the one who pedalled this flawed logic of ‘MCU Peter faces no consequences’ in the first place.
@@extremetoast5723 I kind of feel bad for HiTop Films, because, while I most certainly (respectfully) disagree with his opinions on the MCU Spider-Man Movies, I don't think he ever meant for the toxic elitists to use his videos to 'justify' why people shouldn't like MCU Spider-Man.
"MCU Spiderman isn't relatable" Far From Home: *Peter is trying to destress from his job by going on vacation and Fury keeps telling him he has to go back to work* Me, someone who is just getting stressed from his job: This hurts Peter, I know.
Last time I checked, Spiderman wasn't a job and was more of a freelance thing. Nick fury desperately wanted spidermans help because at the time he thought "The world would end" . I'm pretty sure you can't have a vacation if your planet is destroyed.
@@Gojo13201 You can not tell me Peter doesn't see his role as Spiderman as his job. Not paid, but still his job. And anyone who has ever had job can know, eventually you will DESPERATELY need a break
@@boshwa20 Okay then if it's his "job" why doesn't he get paid for it? No one told him he had to be spiderman. No one told him he had to save people around the clock. That was all on him.
@@Gojo13201 It doesn't necessarily need to be a literal job for Peter. It's a job based on moral responsibility if that makes any sense. Kinda like Clark Kent saying, "This looks like a job for Superman!" Not a pay job, but a heroic duty.
I’d agree except lives are on the line with spideys job , taking a day off is like a firefighter not answering the call to a burning building . just rubs me the wrong way
Amazing way to put it. That’s exactly why people are so narrow minded to movies like this. They pictured another tragic hero spidey that has the weight of the world on his shoulders, however thats the opposite of what Tom Holland and his Spiderman is, and even what his movies are. They have smaller stakes, can be far more light hearted and comedy focused, and approach the character in an unfamiliar manner. They change a lot from the previous live action renditions and do it so very well but it’s the people and their lack of openness that blinds them.
Also he's 15/16... Some of these comments are talking about him like he's double that age. If the story is a metaphor for the travails of teenagers, then having a building dropped on you is probably the limit a character could or should take at that age...
That's the problem right there. Fandom forgot how truly bad Super Hero movies generally were before Spiderman 1. Now the biggest complaints are basically, "They didn't do what I would have done if I'd been in charge"
Having that imo is a gift but also a curse because to me when I'm in the Spidey fandom It's like everyday you have to watch your siblings argue while you're just sitting in the middle thinking "can't we just get along?"
You know, MCU Peter is probably the most modern adaptation of Peter Parker I’ve ever seen. I have no problems with him and I’d be perfectly ok if we see more and more of him
And now we gonna see. NWH doesn't even got realeased and i'm already thinking about the new trilogy. Tom Holland's Peter Parker is becoming the "Harry Potter" of the MCU and this is awesome
@@heitoroliveira5166 Dude the fact that we're getting a MCU HARRY POTTER-esque for Spiderman is so fucking amazing! I just hope that we just get more friendly-neighborhood centric stories in the future!
@@Gojo13201 Miles is overrated. He was created specifically for diversity first, and character second. Ironically, many blacks relate to Peter more, because he's a better written character.
Finally someone that doesn't try to trash other spider men but understands what makes every version great. Also propably the only one that has read the original material
But those issues aren't some random comics. They are literally the original stories created by Stan Lee and Steve ditko. And of course his beliefs can be argued with any other comic, but there are so many interpretations of the character that any spider man can be called wrong version if you try enough.
@@manwithoutfear1 thank you, the biggest issue with the MCU detractors is that they ignore the fact that the Amazing Spider-Man series is THE original and more high school based while many of them claim the MCU version is furthest from the comics due to the focus on the high school aspect of Spider-Man. If we’re judging it based on the comics shouldn’t it mainly be from the original run rather than the extended issues after them? I also don’t understand why many of them feel it’s ok to bash one version but not the version they prefer as all of them have strong foundations based on the comics.
I feel like what makes Spider-Man work isn’t so much any fixed set of circumstances, rather it’s his placement in a given world. I consider Tom and Tobey good representations of the character because in their own way they show a crushing sense of anxiety in living up to other ppls expectations, something that we all struggle with at heart. For Tobey’s Peter it was traversing an early 2000’s post-9/11 New York. For Tom’s Peter it’s growing up in a world filled with larger than life heroes. Both are dealing with a different set of cards but equally having to climb a wall of expectations.
@@obiwankenobi1532 well from what I remember I don’t think TASM movies really do much to show Peter struggling with the weight of everyone’s expectations for him. He doesn’t really have that key theme and living up to expectations doesn’t at all seem like anything that bothered him. The ending of the first film almost had a moment like that where Peter makes a promise to Captain Stacy and grapples with the consequence of delivering on it but the last line was basically him saying he doesn’t really care and going back on the promise anyway. There also really isn’t any identifiable placement he has in those films. There’s nothing relatable he’s ever trying to strive towards. In the Raimi films Peter’s a young adult trying to make a life for himself, in the mcu he’s a high school kid trying to make a name for himself. In TASM movies his main dilemma is that he’s trying figure out the truth about his secret agent parents which…is just not a relatable dilemma, I’m sorry.
@@juicestains52 I don't really like Andrew that much, but didn't Tasm 2 show him struggling with the emotional weight of Stacy's promise? Like didn't he give up Gwen because her dad wanted Gwen to be safe, and being with Peter would risk her life, and he didnt want that? He went back on that promise sure, but if ur gonna tell me that he wasn't under any emotional weight from the expectation I'm not sure what to tell you. I don't like Tasm 2, but what I liked about it is that the emotional weight Peter carried always came to fuck him in the ass, thus being Spider Man can really suck.
@@juicestains52 I don’t think MCU Peter was striving for opportunities to be like his childhood heroes. He’s rejected those opportunities more than he’s chased after them. It’s why Stark had to recruit him through blackmail in Civil War. It’s why “Fury” had to take over Peter’s Europe trip and it’s how Mysterio acquired the E.D.I.T.H. glasses with a satisfied Peter walking away. His involvement in Infinity War and Endgame was just because he wanted to protect his home. Aliens did invade NYC in 2012 so I think I understand why he did what he did. Peter was definitely motivated by the opportunity to be like an Avenger in Homecoming but I think it’s exclusive to that movie.
Honestly watching Homecoming for the first time was what made me fall in love with Spiderman. The movie presented a vibe that was fun and light-hearted with a character that I felt like I could relate too.
People keep on saying things like "I hope Andrew catches MJ to redeem himself from Gwen" or "I hope Tobey is Uncle Ben" and all that shit. And it annoys me, because they're so clearly forgetting that it's NOT ABOUT THEM. This is still 100% Tom's movie and his character should be able to have his moments without being overshadowed by the other actors. The expectations these people have for the movie are not only unrealistic, but they're downright fantasy world.
tbf, Andrew catching MJ could work as a quick moment rather than a big thing, as long as it doesn't take away from anything else Tom does in the battle. You have a point with Tobey being Uncle Ben tho.
Peter becoming the next Iron Man is sorta present in a symbolic sense. When you think about it, the face of Marvel comics is Spider-man, he's the most iconic character out of everyone else. When you look at the MCU, Tony Stark was the face of this movie franchise seeing as he was the one who started it all. So having Spider-man become this new symbolic figurehead of the franchise makes sense, but not as being the next Iron Man, but as simply being Spider-man
Spider-Man can never be the face or symbolic figurehead of the MCU, because Marvel doesn't even own his movie rights. They never know for how long they'll even have access to the character. That is the main thing holding the character back.
@@ventusvanitas7544 Spidey had been reincarnated in various different medias that it doesn't matter which one you like, it is still spidey. Just because Tom's Spidey is different from your version of him, doesn't mean it is bad.
@@josephhugotjiong6741 it’s not just “my vision,” it’s literally the fact that this character is held back and treated like a cash grab. Many people can agree. So 🗿💀
I'll never truly understand the issues people have with MCU spider-man, even growing up with Toby and previously holding a dislike for the Garfield's. There are certainly bad ways to present this character as much as any other but I feel like a lot of what we've had over the years from Toby, Garfield, cartoons, 2018, and etc have all been wonderful in their own right while creating that flow of reincarnated ideas twisting branching each version off into an ever growing tree. Once again another wonderful video that somehow manages to always shine a light on what makes something good without ripping the other iterations apart to do it.
I think spider man fans should be greatful, we have SO MUCH iterations of this character, and i think mostly are very good, from de movies to the cartoons. I never disliked anything i watched from Spider Man (except for TASM 2 and even this movie have its qualities). Now we have the privilege of watching a Spiderman who grows in long term storyline, like Iron Man, who apperared in seven movies before ending his arc. I have the felling that Tom Holland's Spiderman is the equivalent in MCU to watch Harry Potter grows from first year to adulthood 20 years ago. It's the same concept. And it's perfect, because Peter is one of the only characters who actually grows and get old in the comics. He goes to university,, then graduates, became professorm etc. I hope the rumours where right about the trilogy of nine, so we can finaly have university peter and also a full formed adult Peter.
@@heitoroliveira5166 Thats why I still dont think Tom is the best Spider Man (he is my favorite) he still has a lot to grow and develop like Iron Man has in the MCU. Truthfully, I love this concept and Ive feel lile theyve been doing it well. I do have a couple of gripes with MCU Spider Man, but I have faith in Marvel, bc seeing him grow is really fun
As i've believed from the moment he was introduced... the MCU Spider-man is the essential representation of the Ditko/Lee incarnation! 3:52-the best way I describe this run is if the Archie comics were set in the Marvel universe. People forget that the essence of this character is a kid becoming a superhero, which has been done before but perfected around this time!
I think partially, people don't really like Ditko's rendition of Spider-Man , and the one of popular imagination, from the Raimi films and the Romita run, it seems there's a dissonance between the public view and Ditko's view of the characters.
I've honestly gotten tired of the MCU Spider-Man slander on the internet. I just avoid watching videos about him and avoid the subreddit, but once in a while it's nice to see videos where he is appreciated.
@@xOneEyedGhoul I have a consumed A LOT of Spider-Man content as well, and I completely disagree with you. It’s almost like your personal opinion doesn’t matter as to whether or not an adaptation of a character obviously misses the mark or it’s source material or not…🤔
I like how Peter is a underdog in mcu, that makes him very different from other two versions where when civilians see them they’re like “OMG it’s Spidey” cuz u know they’re the only hero in town from those universe, and when they see Pete in mcu they’ll be like “Oh alright” which makes sense in a world full of superheroes and Spidey is just a friendly neighborhood hero
I mean...they technically shouldn't be that towards Spider-Man, in New York, at least since he's their only local hero that they know of and has a bigger brand than...well Daredevil, Luke Cage etc. etc.
I have a strong feeling that No Way Home will end with Peter following through with the initial spell and make the entire world forget he's Spider-man (including MJ, Ned, Aunt May, the Avengers, etc). He will in a sense be going "back to basics" with the usual setup of Spider-man being a solo hero with a secret identity. A big theme that seems to be present is trying to have everything you want. Peter is trying to have this double life but retain the stable aspects of where it converges with his normal life. Homecoming had him learn humility after trying too hard to match up to the big leagues, Far From Home had him learn to trust himself after believing he wasn't good enough to even be Spider-man, and No Way Home could be about learning sacrifice after Peter keeps pushing to have everything work out for everyone (Secret identity but not needing to keep the truth from his loved ones, stopping the villains but still trying to save their lives). I believe NWH is going to capture Aunt May's lesson in Spider-man 2, "Sometimes we have to be steady, and give up the things we want the most, even our dreams". But this would actually follow that lesson better than Spider-man 2 (not throwing hate), because Peter would be giving up the things he wants most, instead of trying to give them up only to still get everything he wanted in the end. If you think about it, it would be a bit of a blend of when he did a similar thing in the comics (making the entire world forget he was Spider-man, including his trusted friends who knew his identity) with a hint of One More Day, where he is actively giving up his relationship with MJ as part of a deal with Mephisto. I'm guessing that When Tobey and Andrew come in, Andrew is going to save MJ from the fall, and this will leave MCU Peter hit with the weight that he couldn't have saved her, she was in danger because of him, everything that happens in the movie is because of him, so he needs to make that sacrifice for the sake of everyone in his life. The difference is that he will remember everything, and he will be back to his roots in more dangerous world with darker tones, but he will have an understanding through his experiences on how to be better. (Such as, making sure his door's closed when he changes into his costume) Just something I've thought about
@@commanderspyder5432 YES EXACTLY! I was talking about this on a subreddit yesterday. He will most likely finish the spell and give up his security blanket he’s had with Spider-Man (stark tech and happy and all that). With everyone’s memory erased, and the suits destroyed (context clues from the trailer), he will figuratively and literally start from the basics. I also think the government or some organization or law enforcement will take away his access to the drones during his questioning and investigation, so he will literally have nothing. And this will fix every gripe people have with his spidey. If they do this, I will be in tears with excitement
I disagree. I think it's lazy aka cheap writing. I much prefer the original format with Spider Man in their Universe rather than copy-passing the exact Spider Man stories. Everything I said is my opinion.
@@hal7741 It would make sense that his access to the drones is taken away. It seems like his name has been cleared of the murder charges (considering he’s able to go to school). But his identity is still out and not everyone will believe he’s innocent. He might even be on some kind of parole that could even involve the Sokovia Accords which impacts his duties as Spider-man
Holy shit, you're the only person I've seen calling out Vulture on his hypocrisy. I've been saying this on forums and comment sections for so long but never have seen anyone resonate with me on this sentiment. It's amazing to see someone with such an audience recognizing the exact same thing I've been preaching about ahaha
The "MCU Peter is Miles" argument always kinda falls apart for me due to the fact, that Miles was initially pretty similar to Peter. Before more recent runs and (of course) Spider-Verse, Miles just felt like less enthusiastic version of Peter.
EXACTLY. And what's worse is I think this take might've been popularized by GodzillaMendoza who made a video saying Miles was too similar to Peter, and still went on to say MCU Spider-Man is just Miles.
Oh wow, thank you for this video. I never knew that Spider-Man actually was inspired more by Fantastic Four than his relatives in the early run of his comics. I also have never known that he started in high school, I thought his story started in university! I think Sam Raimi's take on Spider-Man has overshadowed the real comics storylines and that's why people keep comparing subsequent Spider-Man movies to his movies than the original comics.
The CGI suits are seriously my only gripe with MCU Spider-Man. They all look so great (minus the stealth suit and the iron spider). I’m really glad that the former won’t make another appearance and that the latter will be most likely destroyed. It seems as if Peter combines the upgraded suit and the iron spider in No Way Home to form the integrated suit and due his resources most likely being limited in this one, he’ll be making this suit by hand and getting them dirty which I’m really excited for. Not to mention I’m positive the new suit + the Red and Black suit is practical in NWH so for that, I’m stoked.
the stealth suit didn't really bother me because it's not meant to be taken seriously, i just saw it as another mcu haha funny, the iron spider suit tho, fucking disgusting, i understand what they were trying to do, but honestly should've just went with the comics. at least tom's new suit is looking good, i just hope they get rid of the excessive cgi
E LOVED this video. This is what i'm talking about, people totally forget that the Homecoming trilogy doesn't even try to do epic, it's a sitcom / rom-com. I love Andrew Garfield and he is my favorite spider man iteration and i love Raimi Movies, but homecomming is justo heartwarmming to watch. Every time i want just chill i go for either Homecoming or Far From Home.
But they are spiderman movies. they shouldnt just ty to be sitcoms they should imo be dramas about the hilariously tragic life of Peter parker. Wich doesn't mean I didn't enjoy homecoming.
@@thatoneguy8053 doesnt rlly have to always be like that since this is a completely new version of the character which is obviously trying to switch things around with the big amount of differences it has compared to older films
You do realize spider man is by far the greatest marvel hero? Iron man and captain america were nobodies before the mcu. Spider man has been of the great heroes since day 1. He deserves more then a sitcom
@@thatoneguy8053 i think that one way to take in web of possibilities. Even so, Raimi movies already did that very well and Kevin Feige was there to see. But thats not the only, and this exacly the point of Leo's video. Despite Raimi movies being iconic, the framing he choosed is not the totality of Spiderman range. There was moments, specialy at in first years where Spiderman had a sitcon vibe. Spiderman is also one of the few superheroes where the love history is actually one of his main plots, as we already saw in Raimi, Webb and Watts movies. Sure we love the drama, but theres more in this character tham just de drama and i think Homecoming Series blends it very good. I'm a fan of Spider man, just like Leo. And i think the best way possible to take this character would be a soap opera. Because Peter Parker's life is a soap opera. There's to much layers do show that a 2 hour long movie can't do. And thats way the previous iterations hit specific points. Raimi movies focus on the contrast of his opressive poverty and his heroism and how it afects his personal life and drags him down, picturing life as spiderman as a burden. Webb movies focus on Peter reconciliation with himself and his relationship with Gwen Stacy, wich i think the death is way mor impactful for Peter than Uncle Ben, actually. Watts movies is about Peter learning what is to be a superhero in a world where the exemples are to big and his personal expectations are to high. He is poor, and he's whole life has changed because he is spiderman and is afraid to loose everything spider man gave to him. And in the urge to get the things done without the experience, e fuck things out and need to fix latter. As a spider man fan, i'm happy that i can see diferent iterations and takes on the character ans i can se the resemblance of diferent aspects of the comics in every iteration. Maybe this one doesn't hit the spots you like, but doesn't mean its bad.
@@killerdiva7771 i think this is your opinion and i respect it. But i desagree. And i'm not a comic book fan at all. I'm only fan of spiderman. I neved give a damn about the other 1352535 comics characters. I only read spider man, i only care for spiderman. And i know how great ans important is the character. What i think you and some other fans don't get is there lots of ways to show this character and not only the opressive drama of Sam Raimi movies(witch is great, i think SpiderMan2 is the best classic superhero movie ever made, above Endgame and all other DC ans Marvel movies. Spiderman can be epic, dramatic, a sitcom, a romcom... just depends wich aspect you will highlight in your iterations. I like the rom com aspect of spider, my favorite spiderMan comic ever is Blue, and thats why i love Mac Webb movies, even the second one being a mess. I like the drama aspects of spiderman and i relate to his poverty, as a guy that never had money to buy comics and only read spider man by alternative means and thats why i love Rami movies. And i love rom cons and histories that can blend the drama with good humor, like the Homecomming series, and thats why i like these movies. People insist theres only on right way to adapt a character that have at least 60 years of histories, and i find that boring. I still hope someday Marvel or sony have the balls to adapt Superior SpiderMan. So, don't count on my to praise and ask endlessly for that one itararion that everyone loves that already exist.
This is why I love this mans videos. He makes an effort to see all the Spider-Man for what they represent and try to convey on screen. Rather than see what they aren’t or what they are only on the surface level. Great video essays!
I thank you for doing this topic again, after rewatching both the movies for the amp of NWH, I honestly get it now, the movies around him aren’t perfect, but the vision is clearly there and the arc is ever growing, I agree with all your points
this trilogy is my favorite spiderman trilogy. i was too young when the others came out and didnt relate as much. this one made me care a lot about these characters and i absolutely loved each film.
As a gen z kid, I find mcu peter super relatable. MJ isn't some artificial 'cool girl', she's a person I would genuinely like to be, and Ned is also equally relatable, not just an irrelevant side character that'll one day turn into a villain.
I really needed this video. So hard being a MCU spider man fan these day especially since the tobey hype has returned which means hate for the other spidermen.
people complain about Peter not always talking about his financial problems, but in the comics Peter doesn't talk straight, they also complain about him not talking about Ben all the time all over, but in the comics Ben is practically forgotten, he goes page after page without being quoted, but we know he's there and in the MCU he's THERE, you can see that when Peter saves Vulture. Of course we need to know about your problems but that's a matter for Spiderman 4, 5 and 6
I know right, it's not like peters financial problems has to be shoved in our faces for us to know. In the MCU they hint at it to us like Peter stating he dumpster dives, doesn't have a password, has only drove in parking lots with aunt may etc. Then there's the fact that they say " He's just a kid lol " and I'm like " Bruh, he was a kid in the comics as well ". They must love making idiots out of themselves.
@@oisinreilly2639 they don't need to be shoved in our faces they need show how he isn't living a perfect life and he could at least get a job to help his aunt if they were already struggling with money. And in the comics no, no he wasn't a "kid" was at least always a junior/senior in the comics. And him driving with aunt may could mean anything. Maybe he's not interested in driving that much because he webslings? And what the fuck does "passwords" have anything to do with being poor? Miles Morales is even better then this sad attempt of making a spiderman.
Dude, you are so wrong. He is metioned very often. Peter's story financial problems also appears very much. I mean, did you ever read some Spidey comic?
can you imagine how terrible it would be if the writers actually thought of the "true" fans? if they didn't do anything different what would even be the point of making a different version of Spider-Man?
you know, with the release of Across the Spider-Verse, I've come to my own theory regarding Tony Stark's place in Peter's story. He's not meant to be his Uncle Ben. He's meant to be his Captain Stacy. Think about it. Respected defender of justice, knows Spider-Man's secret identity and serves as a replacement father figure, gives his life defending the innocent, and his death is a source of emotional turmoil for Peter. Not a one to one of course, but it lines up pretty well I feel
Stan once said “If You Have an Idea that You Genuinely Think is Good, Don't Let Some Idiot Talk You Out of It.” I love MCU Spider-Man! And no one is gonna change that! Now I’m gonna wait till toxic Rami fans(Not the CHILL Rami fans but the ones who don’t let people express their opinions) throw dirt in my eyes!
@@ventusvanitas7544 I know everyone can be toxic! Sorry if it came across as pointing fingers! I just experienced a lot of hate for simply enjoying Toms Spider-Man! I love PS4 Spidey and I personally don’t think this videos bullshit! And I have read the first 10 comics! I am still reading the rest! I came up with a similar answer as this guy! But everyone is entitled to have their own opinion! Just so you know I love Rami’s trilogy! I just don’t appreciate when everyone is so toxic! I apologize if it came off as offensive! And please share why you don’t enjoy MCU Spidey if you don’t like him! I love to hear others opinions just not humiliating others for simply liking something different!
@@TupocalypseShakur kinda like how this RUclipsr’s video goes around spreading hate for the Raimi films just because he’s butthurt that people *understandably* had problems with MCU spider-man until No Way Home. Just because this guys screenshots random comic panels and proceeds to make totally invalid claims about them, doesn’t mean he understands the source material. And as a matter of fact, btw, I’ve seen lots of extremely toxic Holland stans that will get super hateful towards anything. That isn’t the new films.
Coming to this video after watching No Way Home, and I think I really need you to make an essay on it as well. That movie had all the fan service I expected and then some, but it also wrecked me emotionally. I can’t be the only one who left the theater a little shaken and caught in their feels.
There is no defense of MCU Spiderman, as MCU Spiderman IS THE BEST live action rendition of Spiderman, ever. It's like trying to "defend" 2+2=4. In other words, there's no need to defend facts.
After seeing No Way Home (spoiler warning) it is sad how many people basically needed Aunt May to die to respect this version of Peter Parker. This video does a lot to argue the ways Tom Holland’s Spider-Man is in keeping with the original run, but that is kind of beside the point when a lot of fans are basically purists for the Raimi version, (seriously, you can’t argue with them point to point because they aren’t mad about those points, they are purists for a specific “traditional” take on the character they feel the MCU violates) and that shouldn’t matter because Homecoming and Far From Home are just damn good movies independent of any expectations from the IP and in relation to the 5 previous Spider-Man movies it is refreshing that they aren’t treading the same ground, and I didn’t have to watch Ben die for the third time. No Way Home’s attempts to reincorporate certain standardized elements of Spider-Man are actually more dramatically effective, specifically because they didn’t immediately go there
I think a lot of the Spider-Man base wants Peter to adopt what I heard one person call "Crime Alley Syndrome". God forbid if Uncle Ben isn't always at the center of his moral compass, and you better believe he will always be bringing him up whenever something big happens in his life. Then I am reminded that if I have to see Thomas and Martha get shot one more time I am going to explode...
@@pacman5698 It is absolutely ridiculous that I had to watch Bruce Wayne’s parents die in both Batman vs Superman AND the Joker solo movie. Batman v Superman is especially notable for how pointlessly it dragged the whole exaggerated sequence out. We’ve got another Batman reboot coming soon, so they probably going to be killed again
@@TheJadedJames I genuinely think Lego Batman is a better movie than every live-action Batman movie, and I joke that I automatically give it a million bonus points solely for the facts I didn't have to see his parents get shot again and Bruce was actually enjoying his life as a superhero. Can Warner Brothers just let those two rich snobs rest in peace for crying out loud?
@@pacman5698 I also like it more because that movie was actually about him accepting family, the whole point of the movie was his fear of losing another loved one and to have him in the end finally accept the people around him is amazing
@@thetempleton6622 The whole movie found a way to be very mature and thoughtful while still portraying a Batman that actually likes what he does when all is said and done. It reminds me of what many think the lost director's cut of Batman Forever is. Which is nice because I don't think those movies or Joel deserved a smudgeon of the enormous loads of fan bile that got sent their way...
If you're going to call MCU Peter a White Miles Morales, then you should also call Spider-Verse Miles a Black Peter Parker. Or you should do that even if you don't call MCU Peter White Miles Morales. Also, I can't be the only person that prefers the more comic-accurate versions of Miles and his family over Graffiti Artist Miles, Cool Uncle Aaron, Nice Cop Dad, and Politician Mom, right? Even if it's a more idealistic narrative, it's still more cynical storytelling. Narrative and storytelling are two very different things. The prevalence of those characterizations in adaptations make those in charge of adapting Miles and his supporting cast look too scared, or just too myopic, to depict characters of color in their stories with major character flaws and the ability to be seriously wrong about certain things that happen in those plots.
This is exactly what I've argued. All Miles is a rip-off of Peter Parker. Besides, it's not like the traits that made Miles quote-on-quote "Unique" couldn't have worked for Peter just as well anyway. Heck, his dad in ITSV was very much like Captain Stacy in The First Amazing Spider-Man. And yes, if you think about it, ITSV made a lot of the supporting characters kind of jerks just to take Miles' side and make him look better. Also to those who have issue with Peter using Stark Tech to made his own suit in Spider-Man Far From Home, may I remind them that in ITSV, Miles literally took one of the late Peter Parker of his world's suits and spray painted it.
Ben is barely mentioned in the comics. We know he's there, but he's not in our faces. The case is the same with MCU. He's clearly there, but he's not mentioned every single minute. As for consequence, fuck off. His identity got fucking leaked in FFH. Hell, even in Homecoming, he has to struggle against the villain of the fucking movie with his homemade suit. Unlike the other Spider-Man movies, the MCU decides to take it slow with his character. He's in high school in his first 3 movies. Pay attention to high school Peter in the comics. MCU Spidey is taken straight from the panels.
To say something like ”MCU Spider-Man isn’t relatable”, you either A) Have never been young before in your life, you were literally born an old man like Patrick Stewart B) You’re delusional. This is by far the more likely explanation.
The entire video was great way you cohesiveness tied all the notes together for every argument was honestly just so cool to watch! But that ending what for the isn't grown up and change felt lowkey grand and almost the perfect ending for this entire mcu Spider-Man analysis journey, I'm honored I had a part in it!
Slightly off topic, but I love Miles Morales ‘ origin in the spider-verse movie. There are no coincidences even though it might seem like it. He’s bitten by the spider because Uncle Aaron brought him to the the tunnel next to the collider because he had access because he works for Kingpin.
Hoo boy, all those people complaining about how MCU Peter Parker doesn't face major consequences for his own actions good or bad are going to be in for a really rude wake-up call.
@@Awesomemusic19 But he can’t rely on the Avengers or Stark Industries like he’s been doing in the first two. Plus him blabbing about his identity to people in those first two movies is what got them in danger in this one. He even loses Aunt May and almost loses MJ because of it.
finally someone who sees all the good of this overhated version of spiderman. im so sick of seeing raimi circle jerks all the time and how they refuse to see how incredible the other renditions of spiderman are. homecoming was a great movie, the lack of consequence argument is absolute bs.
People give MCU Peter too much of a hard time. The haters want him to constantly suffer and that seems kind of backwards to me. How can you be a Spider-Man fan but only seem satisfied if Peter is having a hard life. He deserves happiness too. Also I like how they had Ben be the catalyst to him be Spidey then Tony Stark being the next huge motivator ending it in No Way Home with *** giving him the responsibility speech
NWH Spoilers Well Peter all alone with no friends family or money. But I liked how instead of staying in a circle of depression he got up and rose to the challenge
Spider Ham has no Uncle at all in his universe and yet nobody bats an eye but when the MCU doesn't mention Uncle Ben in the movies everybody loses their minds over it
I know. that's the same deal with Drake Bell as Spider-Man (Which by the way I like him as Spider-Man. Don't judge me) People praise him in Avengers Earth's Mighest Heroes but then if they talk about his role as said character in Ultimate Spider-Man (the show) they won't give him the time of day and just call him terrible. I mean really? it's same guy voicing the same character just from 2 different shows. I really don't see the difference
@@SuperWarrior64 You don't need to worry about how you feel about Drake Bell's Spider-Man with me. I personally like him in the role in BOTH Ultimate Spider-Man and Avengers EMH. He was quite funny in both shows and delivered the heartfelt moments very well in both as well (plus I thought his chemistry with Tara Strong as Peter and MJ was GREAT (I actually didn't hate the Ultimate Cartoon like a lot of people do and I LOVE Earth's Mightiest Heroes (I hold that show as having the best interpretation of the Marvel Universe alongside the MCU of course))). Though I have seen quite a few people criticise Drake Bell's performance in EMH though it mostly comes down to that it wasn't Josh Keaton voicing Spider-man in EMH (When will people move on?).
What’s interesting about the argument of this video with following the first thirty odd issues of amazing Spider-Man is that if you look at the villains they choose to use, they seem to have specifically chosen the best or most well known villains from that run who hadn’t already been used in the movies before. Vulture and Mysterio both appeared during Peter’s high school years and all the villains that showed up before, between, and after them were mostly the ones we had already seen, the only exceptions being villains who aren’t as well known like the chameleon, the enforcers , etc. This lends even more credence to the idea that they are intentionally trying to stay as accurate to that era as possible! It doesn’t seem likely to me but I would really like to see them make at least two more trilogies for the MCU Spider-Man. We had high school, next we can three films in college, and then another three post college. I think it could become an outstandingly great live action run if done that way. But unfortunately I don’t think Sony and Disney will be able to keep getting along for that long. We were lucky to even get No Way Home.
I totally agree. I consider Tom Holland' interpretation of Spider Man the best one ever. His movies are what I imagine a Spider Man movie would be like.
I don't see a need for you to defend anything. The people that think Tobey or Andrew are definitive Spider-Men kind of show that they know nothing about the character and they don't read comics.
Or maybe they just prefer different versions? All of them bring different parts of the comics into their iterations. Tobey brings a classic feel, like a generalization of Spider-Man’s roots and comic vibes. Andrew pulls mostly from the Ultimate comics, and intertwines it with more obscure stories about Peter’s parents. Tom brings a mixture of early Lee/Ditko and some aspects of Miles Morales. All are great in their own ways, despite preferences.
I have no problems if you enjoy the mcu movies and are defensive about it, but raimi definitely understood the comics, he was a big fan, same with Marc webb. Out of all of them, Jon Watts seems like he has the least clue about what the character is, and the writers have been afraid of doing anything that was done in the other movies which has made these movies the furthest from the comics yet.
@@junaydfisher211 Dude, this video just went over how MCU Spider-Man has the same feel as the comics written during Stan Lee and Steve Ditko's run. I think essays like this are needed for people who act like the Sam Raimi invented Spider-Man.
@@tasha7726 no one is acting raimi invented the comics, but he very translated the look and feel of the comics, with tasm going for more accuracy. For the analysis he made on the ditko and Lee comics ti be true you would just have to blindly believe that what he said about them being sitcoms to be true, but they're not, they're more like soap operas.
2017 to me was the ultimate year of two incredibly hyped blockbusters that so many walked away from somehow taking away the exact opposite message of what they were saying. *Homecoming:* "Peter just wanted to be an Avenger!" _(Kid still takes down the Vulture in his onesie and rejects an opportunity to become an Avenger with the Iron Spider suit so he can go back to his neighborhood.)_ *The Last Jedi:* "They're saying Luke Skywalker is a loser coward and that all of Star Wars sucks!" _(Movie takes Rey's side in arguing he needs to come back to inspire others, Luke returns to save the Resistance from imminent annihilation, and the film ends with the original princess assuring everybody they will make it just before a bunch of kids reenact Luke Skywalker's last battle with action figures and looking up to the sky with the hope he gave them.)_
Finally, I feel bad that the MCU spider-man gets so much hate. Not every aspect of a character has to be perfect. That's why we love, feel and empathize with that character.
@@ventusvanitas7544 Actually it isn't and if you watched any of the videos from this channel you'd know it isn't lol. Doesn't make it bad. They definitely adapt things from the source material but not in a accurate way. If they did it actually would be way more like MCU spiderman than you think lol.
@@tyratooOP I watched his video before, lmfao. But it’s okay if you a shill defender for this. Make sure to revive that Avengers game too while you’re at it. Lol!
NWH Spoilers Kinda really waiting for your take cause you've always been there to shrug off all the MCU haters and it's hard not to feel like NWH burned and trashed everything Watts built to make HiTop Film happy. Even the implication of May saying the line is buying into all the idiots who say this Spider-Man isn't REALLY Spiderman cause we didnt see Uncle Ben die and each movie doesn't end with him crying at a grave.
If there was any course correction in NWH, it was the multiverse stuff to satisfy the Raimitards like HiTop Films, even though FFH did loosely built it up, as well as Wandavision and Loki. Overall, I believe that Jon Watts still achieved his vision of MCU Spider-Man in the high school trilogy.
This, the truth is that these are good arguments for all those who complain about the MCU Spiderman, I mean ... it is an adaptation that does not have to be the same as the comics or Tobey Maguire, which tries to be different in my opinion, although if you Allow me to add something else to this is that it is likely that in No Way Home we will see the "consequences" that everyone wants Peter to have, since according to leaks important characters are going to die so he may mature with this (remember that he has suffered consequences but clearly they have not been as hard as the death of someone close to him, except it is not Uncle Ben of course that his death made him become a superhero, so if Aunt May dies that will make him mature which will change his tone in the next trilogy). Although really the "childish mistakes" that I comment would say that Marvel does it on purpose since they want Peter to have brutal changes in the following trilogies so that is why we always see him that way in all the movies. Another thing is that what Peter gave Edith to Mysterio I see well, because Peter cannot fulfill the expectations of being the future great hero of the earth, something that Mysterio could be in Peter's judgment, so that's why He gives Edith because he knew that Mysterio could be the new great hero, that in the end of course he was deceived but I don't see it as a silly mistake.
Man you were kinda right. We didn't get Uncle Ben in NWH but instead we got what he represents to other Spider-men in May. Quite frankly I loved it because we've had May for over 3 movies so it hits much harder than say Uncle ben's death did In TASM (His death scene sucked) or Spider-man 1
The biggest weaknesses so far come from the fact that sony still owns spiderman. Disney knows what they're doing with super heroes about 8 times out of 10. Sony on the other hand gets it right about 1/10 with Spiderverse being a rare exception (which they got cocky about and now they think they have it in them, THEY DON'T). Sony needs to back off and let marvel steer this character in whatever direction they need to. Sony has their shitty character like moribus and venom and they keep trying to cram them in. Even the trailer for the new spiderman as cool as it looks you can also see its taken on some cheesyness from sony.
Sony gave us 2 great spider-man cartoons, the second which was canceled because Disney got the television rights, and Disney followed with the 2 worst spider-man cartoons of all time. Sony also gave us spider-man ps4 and miles morales. And the raimi films have aged beautifully. When you look at the bigger picture, Sony does understand the character and have a lot more wins than losses. The live action movies are a mess because of character rights and a couple of execs. When you look at what Disney has done, some of their best attempts are serviceable at best
When I first watched Homecoming, I absolutely loved it, but then I didn’t like it, but now I like it again! With Far From Home, I loved it, then I hated it, but now I only hate the first 2/3 of it, but the final act is perfect
The other thing people really, really need to understand is that the avengers films actively undid Homecoming and that’s on the Russos and Feige, not on Jon Watts who’s made the solo films. The avengers films stripped away his agency, pushed him into the Iron Spider suit, used him mainly as comic relief, Gen z pop culture reference guy and Tony’s surrogate son rather than as Spider-Man with his own story, had him not give a shit about his secret identity, and not think about Aunt May even once thereby wasting the cliffhanger-just off the top of my head. Far From Home had to both deal with separating Peter from Tony AGAIN and ALSO dealing with the aftermath of Endgame and Tony’s sacrifice. None of that was on Jon Watts or the writers of the solo films, they did everything they could to tell great Peter Parker stories about him growing into Spider-Man. Completely unrelated, why did you say he’s only signed on for two movies?
Before two days ago, Tom was only supposedly signed on for 2 more MCU films - 1 solo film (No Way Home) and 1 more team-up/Avengers film - but now Amy Pascal has revealed more Spider-Man films set in the MCU.
It’s more complex than that. Infinity War pushed the Iron Spider onto Tom and made him an Avenger, which may seem like regression from Homecoming, but not in the traditional sense. Homecoming was about Spidey yearning for something more, and by the end gaining an appreciation for his friendly neighborhood duties because Vulture directly affected the little guy. He understood his worth, and rejected the Iron Spider and Avengers for being a smaller hero. In Infinity War, he only gets the Iron Spider because he’s about to die, and the only reason he hitches a ride into space with Tony and Strange is because “you can’t be a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man if there’s no neighborhood”. If something happens at a cosmic scale, it’ll affect the little guy he stands up for first, which then leads to him becoming an Avenger. Circumstances changed, not his development; it’s regression with a purpose.
@@the1theonlyg248 hmm. I see where you’re coming from, but I respectfully disagree. If it was designed to follow on from Homecoming with respect, at the very least Peter would have talked more about Aunt May and protected his identity. He definitely wouldn’t have spent the whole time making pop culture references and generally being a boomers idea of gen z.
@@adammyers7383 Respect the opinion, and agree somewhat. I wouldn’t have minded if Spidey was a bit more reserved about his identity, but at least No Way Home is going to teach him that lesson by making him suffer for opening up with his identity. I also hope we get more scenes about that period of time between Homecoming and Infinity War where May was getting used to Peter being Spider-Man, like a conversation in No Way Home referencing it.
i hate how people say MCU Peter "always sucked and never had any responsability or consequence" because FFH made him like that, bro he literally left the girl he loved alone because he knew he had to stop Vulture
I'm glad you hit on it a little. I've always said people are wrong about the Iron man/Spider-man similarities because it's more Iron man being written to be more like Spider-man than it is Peter being made to be Iron man.
Think about this for a second tho. Spider-Man Freshman Year is releasing AFTER the first trilogy. It's because of how they will make Uncle Ben important.
@@ericstorm6582 Yea but the guy didn't mention that, I was just saying if he read the comics so much he should know that and what u just said. (I didn't know he "admired" him, I only knew they got to like each other after some time and Tony gave him the Iron Spider suit ,if I'm not mistaken is cuz they worked together on a few missions on the Avengers and that's why they got closer in that comic)
@@kaviasizach8490 Yeah but what you're mentioning about the Iron-Spider is in the 616 timeline, Tony being the admiration for Peter in the Ultimate comics is a whole other story closer to the MCU
Let's just also point out that Ant-man idolizes Captain America like Peter idolizes Tony. But no one says it detracts from Scott.
In all fairness Peter is literally building his suit from Tony’s tech. Scott just admires him.
Ant-man admires cap but it isn’t central to his character, it’s just a quirk of his personality that is briefly mentioned, while iron man was central to peter’s arc and was practically peter’s whole character. Scott respects him because he represents how real life people would interact with these heroes if they were real, he just respects him like some real life people do, while spider-man is literally an iron man Stan which isn’t good, Scott is a character who exists and evolves without cap’s influence, he exists without captain America, while all peter’s growth is directly tied to Tony stark, (before no way home) without Tony Peter is just a place holder, not a real character
Steve isn't rich
I think it's worth to mention that Uncle Ben was mentioned in the MCU, just not directly. But yeah it's not much and it's the point. Ben overall in Peter's early career is like your deceased father: you live on your own after his death, try to reach your own goals, but when you're at your worst, you know the memories of him and his values will help you to rise again. It is the case for me for sure!
Also what if directly mentioned him so it showed that Peter is willing to talk about him at his worst.
This
Also Peter does mention Uncle Ben in What If? So it shows that Uncle Ben definitely had some impact on him, and he’s willing to stay optimistic even after his death and even during the literal zombie apocalypse
Even What If Spidey is better than MCU. Sad
@@ventusvanitas7544 Goblin: “to each his own”
I just rewatched Homecoming last night, and more than ever I find a lot of the arguments being responded to here very silly, especially the idea Peter doesn’t suffer “real consequences.” Kid is consistently put through the emotional and physical wringer in every appearance.
Agreed
Personally I blame hitop films. I know it seems dumb to blame one individual, but he’s the one who pedalled this flawed logic of ‘MCU Peter faces no consequences’ in the first place.
@@extremetoast5723 I kind of feel bad for HiTop Films, because, while I most certainly (respectfully) disagree with his opinions on the MCU Spider-Man Movies, I don't think he ever meant for the toxic elitists to use his videos to 'justify' why people shouldn't like MCU Spider-Man.
@@extremetoast5723 I love Alex, but his MCU Spidey takes are ridiculously knee jerk.
@@sodium285 Right? Dude is one RUclipsr with an opinion.
"MCU Spiderman isn't relatable"
Far From Home: *Peter is trying to destress from his job by going on vacation and Fury keeps telling him he has to go back to work*
Me, someone who is just getting stressed from his job: This hurts Peter, I know.
Last time I checked, Spiderman wasn't a job and was more of a freelance thing. Nick fury desperately wanted spidermans help because at the time he thought "The world would end" .
I'm pretty sure you can't have a vacation if your planet is destroyed.
@@Gojo13201 You can not tell me Peter doesn't see his role as Spiderman as his job. Not paid, but still his job. And anyone who has ever had job can know, eventually you will DESPERATELY need a break
@@boshwa20 Okay then if it's his "job" why doesn't he get paid for it?
No one told him he had to be spiderman.
No one told him he had to save people around the clock.
That was all on him.
@@Gojo13201 It doesn't necessarily need to be a literal job for Peter. It's a job based on moral responsibility if that makes any sense. Kinda like Clark Kent saying, "This looks like a job for Superman!" Not a pay job, but a heroic duty.
I’d agree except lives are on the line with spideys job , taking a day off is like a firefighter not answering the call to a burning building . just rubs me the wrong way
People really write the movie they want in their heads and grade every movie solely on how it compares to their imagination.
Amazing way to put it. That’s exactly why people are so narrow minded to movies like this. They pictured another tragic hero spidey that has the weight of the world on his shoulders, however thats the opposite of what Tom Holland and his Spiderman is, and even what his movies are. They have smaller stakes, can be far more light hearted and comedy focused, and approach the character in an unfamiliar manner. They change a lot from the previous live action renditions and do it so very well but it’s the people and their lack of openness that blinds them.
Also he's 15/16... Some of these comments are talking about him like he's double that age. If the story is a metaphor for the travails of teenagers, then having a building dropped on you is probably the limit a character could or should take at that age...
@@titan2k928 They’ll watch Dark Knight and say “This Batman movie is nothing like the Burton version 👎”
@@CorrectFossa exactly and it’s ridiculous. They can never appreciate the things that make them unique and respectively good
That's the problem right there. Fandom forgot how truly bad Super Hero movies generally were before Spiderman 1.
Now the biggest complaints are basically, "They didn't do what I would have done if I'd been in charge"
Me who likes all three of them
"Business is booming..."
Yeah this sums up my feelings, only SM movie I dislike is TASM2 but the suit looks pretty good. Business booming indeed!
Having that imo is a gift but also a curse because to me when I'm in the Spidey fandom It's like everyday you have to watch your siblings argue while you're just sitting in the middle thinking "can't we just get along?"
@@thetempleton6622 I know the feeling.
Exactly I just see it as 'I'm getting more spiderman. Why should I get mad or dislike the others???'
You know, MCU Peter is probably the most modern adaptation of Peter Parker I’ve ever seen. I have no problems with him and I’d be perfectly ok if we see more and more of him
And now we gonna see. NWH doesn't even got realeased and i'm already thinking about the new trilogy. Tom Holland's Peter Parker is becoming the "Harry Potter" of the MCU and this is awesome
@@heitoroliveira5166 Dude the fact that we're getting a MCU HARRY POTTER-esque for Spiderman is so fucking amazing! I just hope that we just get more friendly-neighborhood centric stories in the future!
Miles Morales is better adapted for the MCU then shitty holland
@@Gojo13201 Miles is overrated. He was created specifically for diversity first, and character second. Ironically, many blacks relate to Peter more, because he's a better written character.
No, but we got Insomniac who gives us the right one!
MCU Spidey is my favourite live-action Spidey. Thanks for this.
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@@Kyle-hb1go Thanks
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Finally someone that doesn't try to trash other spider men but understands what makes every version great. Also propably the only one that has read the original material
But those issues aren't some random comics. They are literally the original stories created by Stan Lee and Steve ditko. And of course his beliefs can be argued with any other comic, but there are so many interpretations of the character that any spider man can be called wrong version if you try enough.
@@manwithoutfear1 thank you, the biggest issue with the MCU detractors is that they ignore the fact that the Amazing Spider-Man series is THE original and more high school based while many of them claim the MCU version is furthest from the comics due to the focus on the high school aspect of Spider-Man. If we’re judging it based on the comics shouldn’t it mainly be from the original run rather than the extended issues after them? I also don’t understand why many of them feel it’s ok to bash one version but not the version they prefer as all of them have strong foundations based on the comics.
I feel like what makes Spider-Man work isn’t so much any fixed set of circumstances, rather it’s his placement in a given world. I consider Tom and Tobey good representations of the character because in their own way they show a crushing sense of anxiety in living up to other ppls expectations, something that we all struggle with at heart. For Tobey’s Peter it was traversing an early 2000’s post-9/11 New York. For Tom’s Peter it’s growing up in a world filled with larger than life heroes. Both are dealing with a different set of cards but equally having to climb a wall of expectations.
I agree but what makes you think Andrew doesn't do this?
@@obiwankenobi1532 well from what I remember I don’t think TASM movies really do much to show Peter struggling with the weight of everyone’s expectations for him. He doesn’t really have that key theme and living up to expectations doesn’t at all seem like anything that bothered him.
The ending of the first film almost had a moment like that where Peter makes a promise to Captain Stacy and grapples with the consequence of delivering on it but the last line was basically him saying he doesn’t really care and going back on the promise anyway.
There also really isn’t any identifiable placement he has in those films. There’s nothing relatable he’s ever trying to strive towards. In the Raimi films Peter’s a young adult trying to make a life for himself, in the mcu he’s a high school kid trying to make a name for himself. In TASM movies his main dilemma is that he’s trying figure out the truth about his secret agent parents which…is just not a relatable dilemma, I’m sorry.
@@juicestains52 I don't really like Andrew that much, but didn't Tasm 2 show him struggling with the emotional weight of Stacy's promise? Like didn't he give up Gwen because her dad wanted Gwen to be safe, and being with Peter would risk her life, and he didnt want that? He went back on that promise sure, but if ur gonna tell me that he wasn't under any emotional weight from the expectation I'm not sure what to tell you. I don't like Tasm 2, but what I liked about it is that the emotional weight Peter carried always came to fuck him in the ass, thus being Spider Man can really suck.
@@juicestains52 I don’t think MCU Peter was striving for opportunities to be like his childhood heroes.
He’s rejected those opportunities more than he’s chased after them. It’s why Stark had to recruit him through blackmail in Civil War. It’s why “Fury” had to take over Peter’s Europe trip and it’s how Mysterio acquired the E.D.I.T.H. glasses with a satisfied Peter walking away.
His involvement in Infinity War and Endgame was just because he wanted to protect his home. Aliens did invade NYC in 2012 so I think I understand why he did what he did.
Peter was definitely motivated by the opportunity to be like an Avenger in Homecoming but I think it’s exclusive to that movie.
But PS4 beats them all!
Honestly watching Homecoming for the first time was what made me fall in love with Spiderman. The movie presented a vibe that was fun and light-hearted with a character that I felt like I could relate too.
People keep on saying things like "I hope Andrew catches MJ to redeem himself from Gwen" or "I hope Tobey is Uncle Ben" and all that shit. And it annoys me, because they're so clearly forgetting that it's NOT ABOUT THEM. This is still 100% Tom's movie and his character should be able to have his moments without being overshadowed by the other actors. The expectations these people have for the movie are not only unrealistic, but they're downright fantasy world.
thats
exactly what i think
tbf, Andrew catching MJ could work as a quick moment rather than a big thing, as long as it doesn't take away from anything else Tom does in the battle. You have a point with Tobey being Uncle Ben tho.
THANK YOU.
Come on. Tom got more movies than them both already. Time to let the OG's shine a little.
@@kabelomakanatlengsundra456 yeah no, it’s time to put the nostalgia aside and accept that Tom’s Spidey is the current Spider Man we have presently
This video makes me glad Tom is gonna be around for longer in the MCU. Wouldn’t feel right to me without Spider-Man.
We always got Insomniac
@@ventusvanitas7544 We’re talking about the movies, shitass
Peter becoming the next Iron Man is sorta present in a symbolic sense. When you think about it, the face of Marvel comics is Spider-man, he's the most iconic character out of everyone else. When you look at the MCU, Tony Stark was the face of this movie franchise seeing as he was the one who started it all. So having Spider-man become this new symbolic figurehead of the franchise makes sense, but not as being the next Iron Man, but as simply being Spider-man
Spider-Man can never be the face or symbolic figurehead of the MCU, because Marvel doesn't even own his movie rights. They never know for how long they'll even have access to the character. That is the main thing holding the character back.
@@Carabas72 true, which is sad honestly
Except MCU ruined Spidey. People are just desperate to defend him.
@@ventusvanitas7544 Spidey had been reincarnated in various different medias that it doesn't matter which one you like, it is still spidey. Just because Tom's Spidey is different from your version of him, doesn't mean it is bad.
@@josephhugotjiong6741 it’s not just “my vision,” it’s literally the fact that this character is held back and treated like a cash grab. Many people can agree. So 🗿💀
I'll never truly understand the issues people have with MCU spider-man, even growing up with Toby and previously holding a dislike for the Garfield's. There are certainly bad ways to present this character as much as any other but I feel like a lot of what we've had over the years from Toby, Garfield, cartoons, 2018, and etc have all been wonderful in their own right while creating that flow of reincarnated ideas twisting branching each version off into an ever growing tree. Once again another wonderful video that somehow manages to always shine a light on what makes something good without ripping the other iterations apart to do it.
I think spider man fans should be greatful, we have SO MUCH iterations of this character, and i think mostly are very good, from de movies to the cartoons. I never disliked anything i watched from Spider Man (except for TASM 2 and even this movie have its qualities). Now we have the privilege of watching a Spiderman who grows in long term storyline, like Iron Man, who apperared in seven movies before ending his arc. I have the felling that Tom Holland's Spiderman is the equivalent in MCU to watch Harry Potter grows from first year to adulthood 20 years ago. It's the same concept. And it's perfect, because Peter is one of the only characters who actually grows and get old in the comics. He goes to university,, then graduates, became professorm etc. I hope the rumours where right about the trilogy of nine, so we can finaly have university peter and also a full formed adult Peter.
@@heitoroliveira5166 Thats why I still dont think Tom is the best Spider Man (he is my favorite) he still has a lot to grow and develop like Iron Man has in the MCU. Truthfully, I love this concept and Ive feel lile theyve been doing it well. I do have a couple of gripes with MCU Spider Man, but I have faith in Marvel, bc seeing him grow is really fun
Because MCU doesn’t do him Justice. Look at Insomniac. They understand and did the best one.
@@ventusvanitas7544 your wrong, MCU did justice to him, you clearly don't understand how art works.
@@warknightxl2167 nah, you don’t understand, normie.
I find myself constantly referring people to this channel (and now this video) when defending mcu Spider-Man. Great vid!
As i've believed from the moment he was introduced... the MCU Spider-man is the essential representation of the Ditko/Lee incarnation!
3:52-the best way I describe this run is if the Archie comics were set in the Marvel universe. People forget that the essence of this character is a kid becoming a superhero, which has been done before but perfected around this time!
Clearly, you don’t read comics. Try reading them actually.
As well as other runs.
Want essential? Insomniac gave it to us all 💀
I think partially, people don't really like Ditko's rendition of Spider-Man , and the one of popular imagination, from the Raimi films and the Romita run, it seems there's a dissonance between the public view and Ditko's view of the characters.
I though it was a boy becoming a man though being spider-man or because he was spider-man
@@daryltor7608 iron boy?
I've honestly gotten tired of the MCU Spider-Man slander on the internet. I just avoid watching videos about him and avoid the subreddit, but once in a while it's nice to see videos where he is appreciated.
But video is half baked and cherry picked so it’s a click bait.
I don't get it either it's a great fresh take on the character and i have consumed a LOT of spider-man content so that's saying something
@@xOneEyedGhoul cap but okay.
@@xOneEyedGhoul I have a consumed A LOT of Spider-Man content as well, and I completely disagree with you. It’s almost like your personal opinion doesn’t matter as to whether or not an adaptation of a character obviously misses the mark or it’s source material or not…🤔
@@ventusvanitas7544 man, you are in every comment saying how mcu spidey and this video sucks, so why are you here?
I like how Peter is a underdog in mcu, that makes him very different from other two versions where when civilians see them they’re like “OMG it’s Spidey” cuz u know they’re the only hero in town from those universe, and when they see Pete in mcu they’ll be like “Oh alright” which makes sense in a world full of superheroes and Spidey is just a friendly neighborhood hero
I mean...they technically shouldn't be that towards Spider-Man, in New York, at least since he's their only local hero that they know of and has a bigger brand than...well Daredevil, Luke Cage etc. etc.
@@ericstorm6582 also remember that he just became Spiderman not long ago
@@ericstorm6582aren’t the avengers from New York?
@@adrianalobo6780 They're upstate and not local
I have a strong feeling that No Way Home will end with Peter following through with the initial spell and make the entire world forget he's Spider-man (including MJ, Ned, Aunt May, the Avengers, etc).
He will in a sense be going "back to basics" with the usual setup of Spider-man being a solo hero with a secret identity. A big theme that seems to be present is trying to have everything you want. Peter is trying to have this double life but retain the stable aspects of where it converges with his normal life. Homecoming had him learn humility after trying too hard to match up to the big leagues, Far From Home had him learn to trust himself after believing he wasn't good enough to even be Spider-man, and No Way Home could be about learning sacrifice after Peter keeps pushing to have everything work out for everyone (Secret identity but not needing to keep the truth from his loved ones, stopping the villains but still trying to save their lives).
I believe NWH is going to capture Aunt May's lesson in Spider-man 2, "Sometimes we have to be steady, and give up the things we want the most, even our dreams". But this would actually follow that lesson better than Spider-man 2 (not throwing hate), because Peter would be giving up the things he wants most, instead of trying to give them up only to still get everything he wanted in the end.
If you think about it, it would be a bit of a blend of when he did a similar thing in the comics (making the entire world forget he was Spider-man, including his trusted friends who knew his identity) with a hint of One More Day, where he is actively giving up his relationship with MJ as part of a deal with Mephisto. I'm guessing that When Tobey and Andrew come in, Andrew is going to save MJ from the fall, and this will leave MCU Peter hit with the weight that he couldn't have saved her, she was in danger because of him, everything that happens in the movie is because of him, so he needs to make that sacrifice for the sake of everyone in his life. The difference is that he will remember everything, and he will be back to his roots in more dangerous world with darker tones, but he will have an understanding through his experiences on how to be better. (Such as, making sure his door's closed when he changes into his costume)
Just something I've thought about
That would be pretty much perfect IMO, since it would fix the majority of the issues that a lot of us have with the MCU incarnation.
@@commanderspyder5432 YES EXACTLY!
I was talking about this on a subreddit yesterday. He will most likely finish the spell and give up his security blanket he’s had with Spider-Man (stark tech and happy and all that). With everyone’s memory erased, and the suits destroyed (context clues from the trailer), he will figuratively and literally start from the basics.
I also think the government or some organization or law enforcement will take away his access to the drones during his questioning and investigation, so he will literally have nothing. And this will fix every gripe people have with his spidey.
If they do this, I will be in tears with excitement
I disagree. I think it's lazy aka cheap writing. I much prefer the original format with Spider Man in their Universe rather than copy-passing the exact Spider Man stories. Everything I said is my opinion.
@@hal7741 It would make sense that his access to the drones is taken away. It seems like his name has been cleared of the murder charges (considering he’s able to go to school). But his identity is still out and not everyone will believe he’s innocent. He might even be on some kind of parole that could even involve the Sokovia Accords which impacts his duties as Spider-man
MCU just failed but normies will support just as the Avengers game still has shills.
Holy shit, you're the only person I've seen calling out Vulture on his hypocrisy. I've been saying this on forums and comment sections for so long but never have seen anyone resonate with me on this sentiment. It's amazing to see someone with such an audience recognizing the exact same thing I've been preaching about ahaha
Hell vulture is basically what tony was pre cave in iron man 1, think about it
“Hot aunt may is still alive” yeah that aged like milk
LOL
This video has aged extremely well with NWH
The "MCU Peter is Miles" argument always kinda falls apart for me due to the fact, that Miles was initially pretty similar to Peter. Before more recent runs and (of course) Spider-Verse, Miles just felt like less enthusiastic version of Peter.
EXACTLY. And what's worse is I think this take might've been popularized by GodzillaMendoza who made a video saying Miles was too similar to Peter, and still went on to say MCU Spider-Man is just Miles.
@@foreverfirebird5712I hate Godzillamendoza
Oh wow, thank you for this video. I never knew that Spider-Man actually was inspired more by Fantastic Four than his relatives in the early run of his comics. I also have never known that he started in high school, I thought his story started in university! I think Sam Raimi's take on Spider-Man has overshadowed the real comics storylines and that's why people keep comparing subsequent Spider-Man movies to his movies than the original comics.
The CGI suits are seriously my only gripe with MCU Spider-Man. They all look so great (minus the stealth suit and the iron spider). I’m really glad that the former won’t make another appearance and that the latter will be most likely destroyed. It seems as if Peter combines the upgraded suit and the iron spider in No Way Home to form the integrated suit and due his resources most likely being limited in this one, he’ll be making this suit by hand and getting them dirty which I’m really excited for. Not to mention I’m positive the new suit + the Red and Black suit is practical in NWH so for that, I’m stoked.
I disagree, I love how the Iron Spider looks
@@racool911 same, probably one of my favorite character costumes in the MCU
the stealth suit didn't really bother me because it's not meant to be taken seriously, i just saw it as another mcu haha funny, the iron spider suit tho, fucking disgusting, i understand what they were trying to do, but honestly should've just went with the comics. at least tom's new suit is looking good, i just hope they get rid of the excessive cgi
@@racool911 I just think it’s overstayed it’s welcome and it’s physical appearance is miraculously inconsistent
@@hashly8521 Like I said, the suits are practical in NWH minus the Iron Spider
E LOVED this video. This is what i'm talking about, people totally forget that the Homecoming trilogy doesn't even try to do epic, it's a sitcom / rom-com. I love Andrew Garfield and he is my favorite spider man iteration and i love Raimi Movies, but homecomming is justo heartwarmming to watch. Every time i want just chill i go for either Homecoming or Far From Home.
But they are spiderman movies. they shouldnt just ty to be sitcoms they should imo be dramas about the hilariously tragic life of Peter parker. Wich doesn't mean I didn't enjoy homecoming.
@@thatoneguy8053 doesnt rlly have to always be like that since this is a completely new version of the character which is obviously trying to switch things around with the big amount of differences it has compared to older films
You do realize spider man is by far the greatest marvel hero? Iron man and captain america were nobodies before the mcu. Spider man has been of the great heroes since day 1. He deserves more then a sitcom
@@thatoneguy8053 i think that one way to take in web of possibilities. Even so, Raimi movies already did that very well and Kevin Feige was there to see. But thats not the only, and this exacly the point of Leo's video. Despite Raimi movies being iconic, the framing he choosed is not the totality of Spiderman range. There was moments, specialy at in first years where Spiderman had a sitcon vibe. Spiderman is also one of the few superheroes where the love history is actually one of his main plots, as we already saw in Raimi, Webb and Watts movies. Sure we love the drama, but theres more in this character tham just de drama and i think Homecoming Series blends it very good. I'm a fan of Spider man, just like Leo. And i think the best way possible to take this character would be a soap opera. Because Peter Parker's life is a soap opera. There's to much layers do show that a 2 hour long movie can't do. And thats way the previous iterations hit specific points. Raimi movies focus on the contrast of his opressive poverty and his heroism and how it afects his personal life and drags him down, picturing life as spiderman as a burden. Webb movies focus on Peter reconciliation with himself and his relationship with Gwen Stacy, wich i think the death is way mor impactful for Peter than Uncle Ben, actually. Watts movies is about Peter learning what is to be a superhero in a world where the exemples are to big and his personal expectations are to high. He is poor, and he's whole life has changed because he is spiderman and is afraid to loose everything spider man gave to him. And in the urge to get the things done without the experience, e fuck things out and need to fix latter. As a spider man fan, i'm happy that i can see diferent iterations and takes on the character ans i can se the resemblance of diferent aspects of the comics in every iteration. Maybe this one doesn't hit the spots you like, but doesn't mean its bad.
@@killerdiva7771 i think this is your opinion and i respect it. But i desagree. And i'm not a comic book fan at all. I'm only fan of spiderman. I neved give a damn about the other 1352535 comics characters. I only read spider man, i only care for spiderman. And i know how great ans important is the character. What i think you and some other fans don't get is there lots of ways to show this character and not only the opressive drama of Sam Raimi movies(witch is great, i think SpiderMan2 is the best classic superhero movie ever made, above Endgame and all other DC ans Marvel movies. Spiderman can be epic, dramatic, a sitcom, a romcom... just depends wich aspect you will highlight in your iterations. I like the rom com aspect of spider, my favorite spiderMan comic ever is Blue, and thats why i love Mac Webb movies, even the second one being a mess. I like the drama aspects of spiderman and i relate to his poverty, as a guy that never had money to buy comics and only read spider man by alternative means and thats why i love Rami movies. And i love rom cons and histories that can blend the drama with good humor, like the Homecomming series, and thats why i like these movies. People insist theres only on right way to adapt a character that have at least 60 years of histories, and i find that boring. I still hope someday Marvel or sony have the balls to adapt Superior SpiderMan. So, don't count on my to praise and ask endlessly for that one itararion that everyone loves that already exist.
This is why I love this mans videos. He makes an effort to see all the Spider-Man for what they represent and try to convey on screen. Rather than see what they aren’t or what they are only on the surface level. Great video essays!
I thank you for doing this topic again, after rewatching both the movies for the amp of NWH, I honestly get it now, the movies around him aren’t perfect, but the vision is clearly there and the arc is ever growing, I agree with all your points
Agreed.
Wrong.
this trilogy is my favorite spiderman trilogy. i was too young when the others came out and didnt relate as much. this one made me care a lot about these characters and i absolutely loved each film.
As a gen z kid, I find mcu peter super relatable. MJ isn't some artificial 'cool girl', she's a person I would genuinely like to be, and Ned is also equally relatable, not just an irrelevant side character that'll one day turn into a villain.
I know it won't happen but imagine if ned comes back the hobgoblin
I really needed this video. So hard being a MCU spider man fan these day especially since the tobey hype has returned which means hate for the other spidermen.
Nah, iron boy gets hate from every other fans of other Spideys. I prefer PS4 over most but I can admit MCU fucked up.
@@ventusvanitas7544 so pathetic that you keep spamming these unnecessary comments on other people who loves MCU Spider Man. Get a reality check
@@warknightxl2167 you’re the one in need of a reality check but aight, tin foil hat. Keep getting mad.
@@ventusvanitas7544 L opinion
@@flmkrp2486 don’t project, amigo 🗿🌚
Hitops made me appreciate the raimi movies, you made me at least appreciate the MCU ver and made me read Stan lee's run,
I salute you sir
Unfortunately, the Stan run is different from this video.
@@nickname2239 uncle Ben is important, human torch is not a role model, Peter doesn’t look up to any super heroes.
people complain about Peter not always talking about his financial problems, but in the comics Peter doesn't talk straight, they also complain about him not talking about Ben all the time all over, but in the comics Ben is practically forgotten, he goes page after page without being quoted, but we know he's there and in the MCU he's THERE, you can see that when Peter saves Vulture. Of course we need to know about your problems but that's a matter for Spiderman 4, 5 and 6
Wasn’t Peter’s financial issues solved after the issue with the Vulture? So issue 2 I think. Issue one had like three parts I believe.
I know right, it's not like peters financial problems has to be shoved in our faces for us to know. In the MCU they hint at it to us like Peter stating he dumpster dives, doesn't have a password, has only drove in parking lots with aunt may etc. Then there's the fact that they say " He's just a kid lol " and I'm like " Bruh, he was a kid in the comics as well ". They must love making idiots out of themselves.
@@oisinreilly2639 they don't need to be shoved in our faces they need show how he isn't living a perfect life and he could at least get a job to help his aunt if they were already struggling with money. And in the comics no, no he wasn't a "kid" was at least always a junior/senior in the comics. And him driving with aunt may could mean anything. Maybe he's not interested in driving that much because he webslings? And what the fuck does "passwords" have anything to do with being poor?
Miles Morales is even better then this sad attempt of making a spiderman.
Peter doesn't talk about his money problems. But we see how it affects his everyday life in certain situations.
Dude, you are so wrong. He is metioned very often. Peter's story financial problems also appears very much. I mean, did you ever read some Spidey comic?
can you imagine how terrible it would be if the writers actually thought of the "true" fans? if they didn't do anything different what would even be the point of making a different version of Spider-Man?
Every live action spiderman has their accuracies. But there will never be a 100% comic book accurate spiderman on film and people need to realize it.
you know, with the release of Across the Spider-Verse, I've come to my own theory regarding Tony Stark's place in Peter's story. He's not meant to be his Uncle Ben. He's meant to be his Captain Stacy. Think about it. Respected defender of justice, knows Spider-Man's secret identity and serves as a replacement father figure, gives his life defending the innocent, and his death is a source of emotional turmoil for Peter. Not a one to one of course, but it lines up pretty well I feel
Hadn't seen the video yet, but considering how good most of your videos are- I should enjoy this.
Stan once said “If You Have an Idea that You Genuinely Think is Good, Don't Let Some Idiot Talk You Out of It.” I love MCU Spider-Man! And no one is gonna change that! Now I’m gonna wait till toxic Rami fans(Not the CHILL Rami fans but the ones who don’t let people express their opinions) throw dirt in my eyes!
Go read some comics, not some RUclipsr’s bull shit.
Also, try playing Marvel’s Spider-Man. Best one there is.
Also, everyone can be toxic 💀 Smfh.
@@ventusvanitas7544 I know everyone can be toxic! Sorry if it came across as pointing fingers! I just experienced a lot of hate for simply enjoying Toms Spider-Man! I love PS4 Spidey and I personally don’t think this videos bullshit! And I have read the first 10 comics! I am still reading the rest! I came up with a similar answer as this guy! But everyone is entitled to have their own opinion! Just so you know I love Rami’s trilogy! I just don’t appreciate when everyone is so toxic! I apologize if it came off as offensive! And please share why you don’t enjoy MCU Spidey if you don’t like him! I love to hear others opinions just not humiliating others for simply liking something different!
@@magmamaze69 that dude is toxic, he's going around spreading his hate for MCU Spider-Man. He got mad you unintentionally called him out
@@TupocalypseShakur kinda like how this RUclipsr’s video goes around spreading hate for the Raimi films just because he’s butthurt that people *understandably* had problems with MCU spider-man until No Way Home. Just because this guys screenshots random comic panels and proceeds to make totally invalid claims about them, doesn’t mean he understands the source material. And as a matter of fact, btw, I’ve seen lots of extremely toxic Holland stans that will get super hateful towards anything. That isn’t the new films.
Coming to this video after watching No Way Home, and I think I really need you to make an essay on it as well. That movie had all the fan service I expected and then some, but it also wrecked me emotionally. I can’t be the only one who left the theater a little shaken and caught in their feels.
There is no defense of MCU Spiderman, as MCU Spiderman IS THE BEST live action rendition of Spiderman, ever. It's like trying to "defend" 2+2=4. In other words, there's no need to defend facts.
Love how nicely this fits into No Way Home.
14:02 "Ant May is still alive and involved"
That aged well.
I'm pretty present in the Spider-Man fan community, so it's really nice to see people who also really love mcu spider-man.
Excellent video! You made good points on the MCU Spider-Man and I love it! As always keep up the good work!
Try reading comics and playing Marvel’s Spider-Man. Who needs RUclips.
After seeing No Way Home (spoiler warning) it is sad how many people basically needed Aunt May to die to respect this version of Peter Parker. This video does a lot to argue the ways Tom Holland’s Spider-Man is in keeping with the original run, but that is kind of beside the point when a lot of fans are basically purists for the Raimi version, (seriously, you can’t argue with them point to point because they aren’t mad about those points, they are purists for a specific “traditional” take on the character they feel the MCU violates) and that shouldn’t matter because Homecoming and Far From Home are just damn good movies independent of any expectations from the IP and in relation to the 5 previous Spider-Man movies it is refreshing that they aren’t treading the same ground, and I didn’t have to watch Ben die for the third time. No Way Home’s attempts to reincorporate certain standardized elements of Spider-Man are actually more dramatically effective, specifically because they didn’t immediately go there
I think a lot of the Spider-Man base wants Peter to adopt what I heard one person call "Crime Alley Syndrome". God forbid if Uncle Ben isn't always at the center of his moral compass, and you better believe he will always be bringing him up whenever something big happens in his life. Then I am reminded that if I have to see Thomas and Martha get shot one more time I am going to explode...
@@pacman5698 It is absolutely ridiculous that I had to watch Bruce Wayne’s parents die in both Batman vs Superman AND the Joker solo movie. Batman v Superman is especially notable for how pointlessly it dragged the whole exaggerated sequence out. We’ve got another Batman reboot coming soon, so they probably going to be killed again
@@TheJadedJames I genuinely think Lego Batman is a better movie than every live-action Batman movie, and I joke that I automatically give it a million bonus points solely for the facts I didn't have to see his parents get shot again and Bruce was actually enjoying his life as a superhero. Can Warner Brothers just let those two rich snobs rest in peace for crying out loud?
@@pacman5698 I also like it more because that movie was actually about him accepting family, the whole point of the movie was his fear of losing another loved one and to have him in the end finally accept the people around him is amazing
@@thetempleton6622 The whole movie found a way to be very mature and thoughtful while still portraying a Batman that actually likes what he does when all is said and done. It reminds me of what many think the lost director's cut of Batman Forever is. Which is nice because I don't think those movies or Joel deserved a smudgeon of the enormous loads of fan bile that got sent their way...
If you're going to call MCU Peter a White Miles Morales, then you should also call Spider-Verse Miles a Black Peter Parker. Or you should do that even if you don't call MCU Peter White Miles Morales. Also, I can't be the only person that prefers the more comic-accurate versions of Miles and his family over Graffiti Artist Miles, Cool Uncle Aaron, Nice Cop Dad, and Politician Mom, right? Even if it's a more idealistic narrative, it's still more cynical storytelling. Narrative and storytelling are two very different things. The prevalence of those characterizations in adaptations make those in charge of adapting Miles and his supporting cast look too scared, or just too myopic, to depict characters of color in their stories with major character flaws and the ability to be seriously wrong about certain things that happen in those plots.
This is exactly what I've argued. All Miles is a rip-off of Peter Parker. Besides, it's not like the traits that made Miles quote-on-quote "Unique" couldn't have worked for Peter just as well anyway. Heck, his dad in ITSV was very much like Captain Stacy in The First Amazing Spider-Man. And yes, if you think about it, ITSV made a lot of the supporting characters kind of jerks just to take Miles' side and make him look better. Also to those who have issue with Peter using Stark Tech to made his own suit in Spider-Man Far From Home, may I remind them that in ITSV, Miles literally took one of the late Peter Parker of his world's suits and spray painted it.
BTW I'm currently making a video called 'Why I don't like Miles Morales (And Why I love the Stone Canyon Trio) if you're interested 😉.
Ben is barely mentioned in the comics. We know he's there, but he's not in our faces. The case is the same with MCU. He's clearly there, but he's not mentioned every single minute. As for consequence, fuck off. His identity got fucking leaked in FFH. Hell, even in Homecoming, he has to struggle against the villain of the fucking movie with his homemade suit. Unlike the other Spider-Man movies, the MCU decides to take it slow with his character. He's in high school in his first 3 movies. Pay attention to high school Peter in the comics. MCU Spidey is taken straight from the panels.
To say something like ”MCU Spider-Man isn’t relatable”, you either
A) Have never been young before in your life, you were literally born an old man like Patrick Stewart
B) You’re delusional. This is by far the more likely explanation.
"Hot Aunt May is still alive and involved."
Damn, that aged like milk.
The entire video was great way you cohesiveness tied all the notes together for every argument was honestly just so cool to watch! But that ending what for the isn't grown up and change felt lowkey grand and almost the perfect ending for this entire mcu Spider-Man analysis journey, I'm honored I had a part in it!
Can’t wait when I put in my own argument for y’all’s half baked stuff and cherry picked stuff as well 🌚
Slightly off topic, but I love Miles Morales ‘ origin in the spider-verse movie. There are no coincidences even though it might seem like it. He’s bitten by the spider because Uncle Aaron brought him to the the tunnel next to the collider because he had access because he works for Kingpin.
which is why Spider-Verse Miles is the best Miles
Hoo boy, all those people complaining about how MCU Peter Parker doesn't face major consequences for his own actions good or bad are going to be in for a really rude wake-up call.
Not really. The new movie fixing it doesn’t mean the last two didn’t have real consequences.
@@Awesomemusic19 Because the third movies is built off the lingering consequences of those first two.
@@immanuela209 really it’s only built off of Mysterio revealing his identity.
@@Awesomemusic19 But he can’t rely on the Avengers or Stark Industries like he’s been doing in the first two. Plus him blabbing about his identity to people in those first two movies is what got them in danger in this one. He even loses Aunt May and almost loses MJ because of it.
10:09 How did I forget Vulture literally killed someone directly and while facing them. Wow.
Wow they literally fixed every issue I had with the character... Tom Holland is now MY SPIDER-MAN
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@@etc8589 hahahah you can't explain why
finally someone who sees all the good of this overhated version of spiderman. im so sick of seeing raimi circle jerks all the time and how they refuse to see how incredible the other renditions of spiderman are. homecoming was a great movie, the lack of consequence argument is absolute bs.
100% Agreed Man.
Almost 20 minutes ? You’re spoiling us
Toomes is literally a petty bourgeois member. It’s like looking up at billionaires when you own like a restaurant and underpay your workers
Hell honestly you could make a fair argument about toomes basically being what tony was pre the cave in iron man 1
People give MCU Peter too much of a hard time. The haters want him to constantly suffer and that seems kind of backwards to me. How can you be a Spider-Man fan but only seem satisfied if Peter is having a hard life. He deserves happiness too. Also I like how they had Ben be the catalyst to him be Spidey then Tony Stark being the next huge motivator ending it in No Way Home with *** giving him the responsibility speech
NWH Spoilers
Well Peter all alone with no friends family or money. But I liked how instead of staying in a circle of depression he got up and rose to the challenge
@@obiwankenobi1532 that's Spider-Man to a T
That last part works so well 😂 “Tom how’re you breathing in space!” “I am so confused right now”
You're video essays are always a delight to view and listen and for that I thank you.
Spider Ham has no Uncle at all in his universe and yet nobody bats an eye but when the MCU doesn't mention Uncle Ben in the movies everybody loses their minds over it
Ikr. It's like some people have double standards 🙄.
I know. that's the same deal with Drake Bell as Spider-Man (Which by the way I like him as Spider-Man. Don't judge me) People praise him in Avengers Earth's Mighest Heroes but then if they talk about his role as said character in Ultimate Spider-Man (the show) they won't give him the time of day and just call him terrible. I mean really? it's same guy voicing the same character just from 2 different shows. I really don't see the difference
@@SuperWarrior64 You don't need to worry about how you feel about Drake Bell's Spider-Man with me. I personally like him in the role in BOTH Ultimate Spider-Man and Avengers EMH. He was quite funny in both shows and delivered the heartfelt moments very well in both as well (plus I thought his chemistry with Tara Strong as Peter and MJ was GREAT (I actually didn't hate the Ultimate Cartoon like a lot of people do and I LOVE Earth's Mightiest Heroes (I hold that show as having the best interpretation of the Marvel Universe alongside the MCU of course))). Though I have seen quite a few people criticise Drake Bell's performance in EMH though it mostly comes down to that it wasn't Josh Keaton voicing Spider-man in EMH (When will people move on?).
If Supaidaman gets his tecnology from someone no one panics but if MCU Spider-Man does that everyone loses their mind
What’s interesting about the argument of this video with following the first thirty odd issues of amazing Spider-Man is that if you look at the villains they choose to use, they seem to have specifically chosen the best or most well known villains from that run who hadn’t already been used in the movies before. Vulture and Mysterio both appeared during Peter’s high school years and all the villains that showed up before, between, and after them were mostly the ones we had already seen, the only exceptions being villains who aren’t as well known like the chameleon, the enforcers , etc. This lends even more credence to the idea that they are intentionally trying to stay as accurate to that era as possible! It doesn’t seem likely to me but I would really like to see them make at least two more trilogies for the MCU Spider-Man. We had high school, next we can three films in college, and then another three post college. I think it could become an outstandingly great live action run if done that way. But unfortunately I don’t think Sony and Disney will be able to keep getting along for that long. We were lucky to even get No Way Home.
Toms spiderman is my favorite and it's great to start and see people appreciating him.
mcu spiderman is honestly the best interpretation of spiderman we have on cinematic screens
Worst*
I totally agree. I consider Tom Holland' interpretation of Spider Man the best one ever. His movies are what I imagine a Spider Man movie would be like.
@@ventusvanitas7544shut up
I don't see a need for you to defend anything. The people that think Tobey or Andrew are definitive Spider-Men kind of show that they know nothing about the character and they don't read comics.
Who hurt you man?
Or maybe they just prefer different versions? All of them bring different parts of the comics into their iterations. Tobey brings a classic feel, like a generalization of Spider-Man’s roots and comic vibes. Andrew pulls mostly from the Ultimate comics, and intertwines it with more obscure stories about Peter’s parents. Tom brings a mixture of early Lee/Ditko and some aspects of Miles Morales.
All are great in their own ways, despite preferences.
I have no problems if you enjoy the mcu movies and are defensive about it, but raimi definitely understood the comics, he was a big fan, same with Marc webb. Out of all of them, Jon Watts seems like he has the least clue about what the character is, and the writers have been afraid of doing anything that was done in the other movies which has made these movies the furthest from the comics yet.
@@junaydfisher211 Dude, this video just went over how MCU Spider-Man has the same feel as the comics written during Stan Lee and Steve Ditko's run. I think essays like this are needed for people who act like the Sam Raimi invented Spider-Man.
@@tasha7726 no one is acting raimi invented the comics, but he very translated the look and feel of the comics, with tasm going for more accuracy. For the analysis he made on the ditko and Lee comics ti be true you would just have to blindly believe that what he said about them being sitcoms to be true, but they're not, they're more like soap operas.
i really love how you made these essays so unbiased
"hot aunt may is still alive and involved" 😬😬😬
2017 to me was the ultimate year of two incredibly hyped blockbusters that so many walked away from somehow taking away the exact opposite message of what they were saying.
*Homecoming:* "Peter just wanted to be an Avenger!" _(Kid still takes down the Vulture in his onesie and rejects an opportunity to become an Avenger with the Iron Spider suit so he can go back to his neighborhood.)_
*The Last Jedi:* "They're saying Luke Skywalker is a loser coward and that all of Star Wars sucks!" _(Movie takes Rey's side in arguing he needs to come back to inspire others, Luke returns to save the Resistance from imminent annihilation, and the film ends with the original princess assuring everybody they will make it just before a bunch of kids reenact Luke Skywalker's last battle with action figures and looking up to the sky with the hope he gave them.)_
Love your spider man videos and other ones too.
Finally, I feel bad that the MCU spider-man gets so much hate. Not every aspect of a character has to be perfect. That's why we love, feel and empathize with that character.
13:57 this line didn’t age well thanks to no way home.
I love this, glad someone recognizes tobey maguire and Sam raimi didn’t invent Spiderman and aren’t the gods of comic book movies
I always disliked the webs shooting out of his flesh so not good I like the Webb shooters much better
But Raimi is more comic accurate than this caca
@@ventusvanitas7544 Actually it isn't and if you watched any of the videos from this channel you'd know it isn't lol. Doesn't make it bad. They definitely adapt things from the source material but not in a accurate way. If they did it actually would be way more like MCU spiderman than you think lol.
@@tyratooOP I watched his video before, lmfao. But it’s okay if you a shill defender for this. Make sure to revive that Avengers game too while you’re at it. Lol!
@@ventusvanitas7544 you while saying this: 😎👹🥶
how you look like: 🤡
14:00 well that didnt age well...
Yup
NWH Spoilers
Kinda really waiting for your take cause you've always been there to shrug off all the MCU haters and it's hard not to feel like NWH burned and trashed everything Watts built to make HiTop Film happy.
Even the implication of May saying the line is buying into all the idiots who say this Spider-Man isn't REALLY Spiderman cause we didnt see Uncle Ben die and each movie doesn't end with him crying at a grave.
If there was any course correction in NWH, it was the multiverse stuff to satisfy the Raimitards like HiTop Films, even though FFH did loosely built it up, as well as Wandavision and Loki. Overall, I believe that Jon Watts still achieved his vision of MCU Spider-Man in the high school trilogy.
@@supersaiyanfox9190 I mean in NWH there is one scene in high school. It's just gonna be on the animated show to do what Sony wouldn't
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No Way Home: Hold my beer
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Hold my beer... again
This, the truth is that these are good arguments for all those who complain about the MCU Spiderman, I mean ... it is an adaptation that does not have to be the same as the comics or Tobey Maguire, which tries to be different in my opinion, although if you Allow me to add something else to this is that it is likely that in No Way Home we will see the "consequences" that everyone wants Peter to have, since according to leaks important characters are going to die so he may mature with this (remember that he has suffered consequences but clearly they have not been as hard as the death of someone close to him, except it is not Uncle Ben of course that his death made him become a superhero, so if Aunt May dies that will make him mature which will change his tone in the next trilogy). Although really the "childish mistakes" that I comment would say that Marvel does it on purpose since they want Peter to have brutal changes in the following trilogies so that is why we always see him that way in all the movies. Another thing is that what Peter gave Edith to Mysterio I see well, because Peter cannot fulfill the expectations of being the future great hero of the earth, something that Mysterio could be in Peter's judgment, so that's why He gives Edith because he knew that Mysterio could be the new great hero, that in the end of course he was deceived but I don't see it as a silly mistake.
Go read comics, boi.
But it is like the comics
@@foreverfirebird5712 not really.
@@ventusvanitas7544 get a life normie
@@ventusvanitas7544 no, no you’re wrong
Really glad you got the chance to answer question 7. Thank you for your powerful story
Man you were kinda right. We didn't get Uncle Ben in NWH but instead we got what he represents to other Spider-men in May. Quite frankly I loved it because we've had May for over 3 movies so it hits much harder than say Uncle ben's death did In TASM (His death scene sucked) or Spider-man 1
14:00 Wow, that hasn't aged well.
What?! People confuse acronyms like BBC for something sexual?! Sounds like they need some CBT!
The biggest weaknesses so far come from the fact that sony still owns spiderman. Disney knows what they're doing with super heroes about 8 times out of 10. Sony on the other hand gets it right about 1/10 with Spiderverse being a rare exception (which they got cocky about and now they think they have it in them, THEY DON'T). Sony needs to back off and let marvel steer this character in whatever direction they need to. Sony has their shitty character like moribus and venom and they keep trying to cram them in. Even the trailer for the new spiderman as cool as it looks you can also see its taken on some cheesyness from sony.
Venom is good Venom 2 too
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Very enjoyable trash is what they are.
Sony gave us 2 great spider-man cartoons, the second which was canceled because Disney got the television rights, and Disney followed with the 2 worst spider-man cartoons of all time. Sony also gave us spider-man ps4 and miles morales. And the raimi films have aged beautifully. When you look at the bigger picture, Sony does understand the character and have a lot more wins than losses. The live action movies are a mess because of character rights and a couple of execs. When you look at what Disney has done, some of their best attempts are serviceable at best
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100% of that post is subjective opinion.
I agree man
When I first watched Homecoming, I absolutely loved it, but then I didn’t like it, but now I like it again! With Far From Home, I loved it, then I hated it, but now I only hate the first 2/3 of it, but the final act is perfect
Kind of the opposite for me lmao
Try reading comics 💀
I'm really happy someone with talent is doing things like this, keep up the good work mate.
This feels so good to watch after no way home.
*Hot Aunt May is still alive and involved.
Well that aged like milk.
Somebody should send this to troyoboyo17
It doesnt need defending, me thinks its pretty popular
The other thing people really, really need to understand is that the avengers films actively undid Homecoming and that’s on the Russos and Feige, not on Jon Watts who’s made the solo films. The avengers films stripped away his agency, pushed him into the Iron Spider suit, used him mainly as comic relief, Gen z pop culture reference guy and Tony’s surrogate son rather than as Spider-Man with his own story, had him not give a shit about his secret identity, and not think about Aunt May even once thereby wasting the cliffhanger-just off the top of my head. Far From Home had to both deal with separating Peter from Tony AGAIN and ALSO dealing with the aftermath of Endgame and Tony’s sacrifice. None of that was on Jon Watts or the writers of the solo films, they did everything they could to tell great Peter Parker stories about him growing into Spider-Man.
Completely unrelated, why did you say he’s only signed on for two movies?
Before two days ago, Tom was only supposedly signed on for 2 more MCU films - 1 solo film (No Way Home) and 1 more team-up/Avengers film - but now Amy Pascal has revealed more Spider-Man films set in the MCU.
It’s more complex than that. Infinity War pushed the Iron Spider onto Tom and made him an Avenger, which may seem like regression from Homecoming, but not in the traditional sense. Homecoming was about Spidey yearning for something more, and by the end gaining an appreciation for his friendly neighborhood duties because Vulture directly affected the little guy. He understood his worth, and rejected the Iron Spider and Avengers for being a smaller hero. In Infinity War, he only gets the Iron Spider because he’s about to die, and the only reason he hitches a ride into space with Tony and Strange is because “you can’t be a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man if there’s no neighborhood”. If something happens at a cosmic scale, it’ll affect the little guy he stands up for first, which then leads to him becoming an Avenger. Circumstances changed, not his development; it’s regression with a purpose.
@@the1theonlyg248 hmm. I see where you’re coming from, but I respectfully disagree. If it was designed to follow on from Homecoming with respect, at the very least Peter would have talked more about Aunt May and protected his identity. He definitely wouldn’t have spent the whole time making pop culture references and generally being a boomers idea of gen z.
@@MarkyMarc413 oh I see! I forgot about that, I thought he was talking about Homecoming and Far From Home for some reason.
@@adammyers7383 Respect the opinion, and agree somewhat. I wouldn’t have minded if Spidey was a bit more reserved about his identity, but at least No Way Home is going to teach him that lesson by making him suffer for opening up with his identity. I also hope we get more scenes about that period of time between Homecoming and Infinity War where May was getting used to Peter being Spider-Man, like a conversation in No Way Home referencing it.
you my dude you are legend !
Since you mentioned it here, would love to hear your thoughts on Spider-Man Life Story
i hate how people say MCU Peter "always sucked and never had any responsability or consequence" because FFH made him like that, bro he literally left the girl he loved alone because he knew he had to stop Vulture
Just curious, when do you plan to release your analysis on Man of Steel?
I'm glad you hit on it a little. I've always said people are wrong about the Iron man/Spider-man similarities because it's more Iron man being written to be more like Spider-man than it is Peter being made to be Iron man.
Don’t believe this guy! Read comics instead of watching videos!
Think about this for a second tho. Spider-Man Freshman Year is releasing AFTER the first trilogy. It's because of how they will make Uncle Ben important.
I am really glad i found your channel through your kara vid cause your videos are detail and easy to understand you have a great channel sir
spider-man twitter mad as hell 😭😭😭
For real tho?
@@tasha7726 Yeah, Spider-Man fans don't like MCU Spider-Man.
The captain America admiration figure isn't only from the Avengers series, it happened in the comics before that 😐
Yeah but MCU Peter's admiration comes from the Ultimate Comics where Tony mentors Peter
@@ericstorm6582 Yea but the guy didn't mention that, I was just saying if he read the comics so much he should know that and what u just said. (I didn't know he "admired" him, I only knew they got to like each other after some time and Tony gave him the Iron Spider suit ,if I'm not mistaken is cuz they worked together on a few missions on the Avengers and that's why they got closer in that comic)
@@kaviasizach8490 Yeah but what you're mentioning about the Iron-Spider is in the 616 timeline, Tony being the admiration for Peter in the Ultimate comics is a whole other story closer to the MCU
@@lonelysatoshi2482 Now that makes sense
No worries we all love Tom Holland's Spider-Man
Well this dude just convinced me to read Stan’s original run
When you read it, the actual run is the opposite of this video