Alright, this is video is part of my experimental phase. However, unlike the Superman Man of Tomorrow essay, I avoided all social theories and tried to put more of myself into it, the plan moving forward is to find a spot that where I can talk about academics without coming off boringly didactic. Regardless, this is the penultimate part of the Comparing Spider-Men series (for now), the final part will put everything together and compare all three adaptions against the original Amazing Fantasy #15 comic to see what major patterns survive or are changed :)
Your videos are always interesting so don't feel the need to change direction but I appreciate and admire your will to grow. I guess what I'm saying is whatever you want to do with your channel, you should do it because your commentary and analysis are fun to watch.
The movie is what it is, but you can’t deny that Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone did amazing with what they were given. To me, Peter and Gwen’s relationship was the heart of these films.
@@2nd3rd1st At this point, the three Spider-Men reassemble the Marvel Trinity Tobey Macguire's Spider-Man is like Iron Man because he is the one that started it. Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man is like Thor because he acts like a boy and a man at the same time, he is kinda of a smooth talker, he is socially out of place at times, a lot of his loved ones die, he has a lot to deal with, and thinks a lot. Tom Holland's Spider-Man is like Captain America because of his refusal to give up, his grit, his duty and wanting to do the right thing, him wanting to look after the little guy and wanting to make the world a better place, and has leadership skills.
@@SpFlash1523 I love how you defined Tom Holland and Andrew Garfield by their characters and qualities and Tobey Macguire it's just ''huh he came first''
Yeah I feel similar about the characters. Toby can be the most experienced, seasoned veteran Spidey who leads, Garfield is the desillusioned one who let himself go a little and needs new hope, and Holland is the spunky young go-getter crowd pleaser type. Miles Morales could bring his own demons and style. Alas, it's just an amazing dream...
I for one actually genuinely enjoy both The Amazing Spider-Man movies. Like for sure they have there flaws but The Amazing Spider-Man movies are the first movies which deal with the idea that none of us ever feel like we have enough time. Enough time to play games, be a kid, enjoy time with your Grandma for example. That's what's so appealing to me.
The only thing that really makes me sad is that we’ll never have another Andrew Garfield that dude had so much passion for Spider-Man and carried the movies although they aren’t perfect or very good
Hey Tobey Maguire and Tom Holland have passion for Spider-Man they just show it in different ways I think because Andrew Garfield is an actor's actor you know not a studios actor and I don't know if that makes any sense it's just because he loves the craft of acting rather than just doing it for the paycheck and given how artsy he is I wonder how well he might have worked inside of the MCU machine I suspect he might have collapsed since he might have
Tom Holland is pretty passionate about the character too, as Andrew, he grew up watching the Raimi trilogy and Holland even said he watched The Amazing Spider-Man a lot. It sucks to see that the direction, writing and executives don't really give them proper stories to tell about the character they love.
@@ImplicitlyPretentious - God I feel that, haha. As nice as it is to try and be as reasonable as you can possibly be, it doesn't exactly make for much of an interesting conversation at times. It's good to be passionate about stuff, and have strong opinions, as much as it's also good to try and be reasonable in what other people like too. I think it's great how much you embrace all of the deeper things that you picked up on in your videos, I really like that. Maybe it doesn't make for as much of a heated debate as a lot of more wide-spread media, but it's still worth talking about. And it really does feel authentic. I love that.
I find it amusing how everyone shitted on TASM movies. I didn't like them that much either, BUT I was a kid and now that I am older I see how they really aren't that bad. TASM 1 I think is okay it is its own thing and you can't hate the for trying. TASM 2 is bad, BUT I can't lie when I say I think Andrew Garfield is my favorite actor to play Spiderman, and the suit in TASM 2 is probably my favorite movie suit. I just like how more people are recognizing that TASM wasn't Amazing but it wasn't bad.
@D1n0k1n9 ㅤ FFH literally has nothing going for it except for the suit though. Except for maybe "biggest villain" and even that is meant in terms of destruction scale, not how good the villain is. When compared to the other Spidey movie it doesn't have: - the best story - the best Spidey - the romance - the best Flash Thompson - The best message - the best characters - the best emotional scenes - the best villain - the best character development - the best humour - the most comic accurate personalities or looks - the best actors This might sound controversial but I literally think it's by far the worst Spider-Man movie. Far below TASM2 and Spider-Man 3.
yeah I mean I like Spider-Man 3 and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 I mean they're not perfect films they are flawed but they're not bad they're not unwatchable it's not like Batman and Robin where it's just so bad you can't even get through it we really don't have a movie that's that awful in the Spider-Man film franchise at least not in my opinion and so far we've had seven live action solo movies so I think that just says a lot.
@D1n0k1n9 ㅤ well I think that's because far from home is just so polished up where the Amazing Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man 3 are so rough around the edges that you can just find so many memorable moments but the MCU is just so obsessed with being polished I think that you'll never see any good memes anyway come out of any of those movies especially the Spider-Man movies that they make
11:30 The difference between the MCU Spider-Man movies seemed inverted to me. The first one was Peter desiring nothing more than to give up on school, join the Avengers and be a hero. The second one was Peter desiring nothing more than to go on a school trip, have a relationship with MJ and be a kid. By the end of the second movie, though, I translated the final battle as him becoming the sum of all his experiences. He appeared to Happy as Stark did when he was working, went to take on the bad guy as Spider-Man on behalf of the world and "Fury" (as an Avenger), and he took on all the drones with a shield (like Cap) and an object that resembled Thor's hammer. Then, he fully honed his Spider-Sense to defeat Mysterio which ended with him finally being THE Spider-Man we all know and love by swinging (and gliding) around NYC which also culminated in him being exposed to the world as SM and PP being one and the same and having to, in a way, grow up and face the legal issues that are somewhat inevitable. I'm rambling, but my point is, FFH is the end of his story arc whereas, I believe, #3 is going to be Spider-Man being exactly who we recognize him as being in the comics. He will be the [almost] in-over-his-head SM while being the down-on-his-luck PP before he completely gets his life together.
The FFH Peter is a bit of a double whammy when it comes to Peter's personal development. On the one hand is exactly what you describe: Peter wants to enjoy being a high school kid. The other side is his role as Spider-Man, an Avenger and the supposed successor to Tony Stark/Iron Man who he still saw as an unflappable mentor. These two sides of him collided and simultaneously collapsed in the airplane scene with Happy, where he breaks down about all these insecurities and contradicting desires only to be told that it's okay to just be himself and not try to live up to this impossible legacy he's trying to live up to. I completely agree with you that the climax of the film is the culmination of him taking his experiences over the past several adventures and letting him reinterpret who those experiences make him. He lets go of his insecurities, embraces his failures, learns from his mistakes, and bundles all that into finally making him the Spider-Man he's meant to be.
I honestly feel that The Amazing Spider-Man 2 should have just focused on 2 of the 6 storylines in this film, I would choose the Gwen and Harry storylines because it would help the series have a stronger thematic thread from the first film to the second one. The first film in my opinion was about Peter's relationship with his father figures; from Richard Parker to Uncle Ben to Curt Connors and the way that Spider-Man defeats the Lizard is by saving him and everyone else in New York from his monstrous form. This forces Connors to redeem himself by saving Peter from falling off Oscorp Tower. If the second one only focused on Peter's relationship with Gwen and Harry then we would have a lot more time to see Harry's desperation and decent into madness as he becomes the Green Goblin and we would have a stronger investment in Peter and Gwen's relationship which would make the ending where Harry kills her a lot more devastating.
that interview with my boy garfield really breaks my heart. I really like the asm series and i don’t think it deserves the hate. Spiderman 2 is genuinely amazing, they nail the character of peter parker. Spider-man far from home is my favourite spiderman film, as the action is some of the best in the mcu, and mysterio is spectacular. In conclusion, all of these movies are really really damn good.
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was Spider-Man 3 on steroids. While Spider-Man 3 had the same problem with struggling with multiple villains and different subplots the themes of Spider-Man 3 are very clear...mostly due to Sam Raimi. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 on the other hand not only suffers dealing with multiple villains and different subplots but also Iron Man 2 Syndrome with its bland world building just to tease 5 different upcoming projects. This film is easily the worst Spider-Man outing and deserves every piece of criticism thrown at it.
Same I started crying he loved spiderman and he wanted to be spiderman but it was striped away from him due to Sony terrible decisions and being sick that he missed a meeting
Ironically TASM2 is a movie where the movie individual threads were good, some maybe really good, but together they didn’t work well. A piece where the sum of its parts where significantly worse than the parta
Same thing with Tom Holland like he uses an American accent but when I hear his British accent I'm like that doesn't sound right that really doesn't sound right yeah and it's the same thing with Andrew cuz you're just so used to hearing their American accents from the Spider-Man movies cuz that's all we're used to seeing the in
I never really read Marvel comics growing up (I wasn’t born in “corporate America”) I did watch the Sam Raimi movies as a teen and liked them as... movies. Yeah, movies. Not spiderman movies. So when I first saw the Amazing Spiderman movies at my young adult age, I thoroughly enjoyed them as... movies. IMO TASM are great movies. As someone who appreciates visual effects tech, I also appreciate these movies as an art form because of the leaps and innovations they made in designing spiderman’s suit and web swinging animation (look up the behind the scenes). The original SR trilogy was great too, and I know that fans love them for their “true” depiction of spiderman, but to knock off TASM as “bad” movies when what you really mean is “not my type of spiderman movie” is unfair.
I know the movie is this mess because Sony kept poking in there instead of letting Webb and the others make a movie, and this was a problem in the first movie. I like this interpretation though, for years I always thought how there was this message of what happens when young people have to step it up and try to navigate the world. I mean all the adults in the movie are in the dark and busy to provide (Aunt May and Gwen’s mom), have their own issues that are severely overlooked (Electro), or have agendas that aren’t in the best interest of the young person (OsCorp), and the kids-Peter, Gwen and Harry- have to figure things out. While Peter is able to make out this mess semi-okay, Gwen dies and Harry is now mutated and going further in darkness. So it’s an extremely depressing ending.
This is without a doubt my favorite Spider-Man film!! These themes and key plot elements have always stood out to me and I have never understood why people don’t see or appreciate them. While I wanted the follow-ups, I’m ok with this being only a two-part story. It is a true hero and coming of age story that began with the Amazing Spider-Man. This is what Spider-Man is all about!
For me, TASM is in a comic book perspective, the Ultimate Spiderman(alternate universe) where Peter is a bit more edgy and as you can see in this video they're even building up for a sinister six movie which if you're reading the Ultimate Spiderman comics you know that they are Peter's enemies on his final battle before something unfortunate happens. There are a lot of potential for Andrew and this franchise but they just kinda messed it up pretty badly with that execution but I still like some aspects of it.
Everytime I see the notification for a video from this channel, the titles music starts playing in my head. It's such a great pick (not unlike the rest of the channel)
The problem with these movies is that they basically rehashed the first two Spidey films (Raimi versions), in particular ASM 1, which was just so bad for going over the origin story again. And then along comes the sequel and shoehorns in The Green Goblin...why??
And original there was going to be another storyline involving Mary Jane Watson played by Shailene Woodley in Amazing Spider-Man 2. However, her scenes were later cut from the film, with director Marc Webb explaining this as "a creative decision to streamline the story and focus on Peter and Gwen and their relationship". Despite this, Woodley was planned to reprise the role for future installments, starting with The Amazing Spider-Man 3, but Sony's deal with Marvel Studios and Disney resulted in the Amazing Spider-Man series' cancellation and these plans being unrealized. But it's said the scenes with Shailene Woodley were filmed, just edited out.
I feel like I need to watch the Andrew Garfield spiderman movies again. I honestly forgot the Aunt May story arch in all the other elements. Her story of trying to provide when she relied so much on Ben that she has to start over and never feeling like she's enough for Peter really broke my heart
I just found this channel yesterday and have only watched a few of your videos, but this is just incredible. There is so much more that goes into these movies than I had thought. It's just the little things that I didn't even notice when watching them and the overarching themes that you uncover in these essays really show me why some of these movies are more likable than others, in ways I couldn't see. Keep up the good work!
Great analysis. My older cousin loves tasm 2 and when i told him that i don't really like it(no offense to his opinion) he defended it by how many themes it tackles and at that time i knew what the problem was but couldn't put it to words(too many storylines cause inconsistencies) but you've explained it beautifully.
i loved this video so much, you perfectly managed to articulate why the amazing spider-man films mean so much to me, and why they resonate so strongly with me unlike the raimi trilogy and the mcu spidey. thank you for this
This movie hurt my soul I love Amazing Spiderman that franchise had so much potential that was squandered by Sony not only did this movie does not feel like a Marc webb movie the movie felt incredibly rush and had too much storyline going on all at once that the only positive thing that movie had was the Gwen Stacy death scene and that hurt because it felt like a part of me died when Gwen did. They should have properly build up all of theses characters especially Harry Osborn as we don't know that version of harry and he should have been the villain in the next movie
Wow Sony had a Tobey v. Andrew movie in 2021 planned. Now they both may be in Spider-Man 3 as a cameo which comes out in 2021 (for now). Life really comes full circle
Good work, Leo! Good commentary, and excellent editing! I also never noticed how closely Raimi's and Watt's SM2s are in basic story structure. That's an amazing nugget, so thanks for pointing that out!
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 had so many great storylines that could work rlly well on their own. If Sony took it’s time and let these storylines develop at a regular rate and gave them the multiple movies they needed. This series could have been truly special.
Aww thanks! I took an hour yesterday to figure out a new thumbnail format, so the 4 grid with the single word is going to be the new style for a while! :)
Hearing Andrew being heartbroken by how Sony treated his second outing along with Sam Raimi quitting Spidey-Man 4 due to Sony’s meddling is one of the reasons why I despise Sony Pictures
And let me tell you I have a very hard time thinking about the scene where Gwen Stacy falls to her death wish is why I don't really visit this movie that much because you see her fall down to the clock tower and you think Spider-Man's going to save her but the dramatic music tells you it's not to meant to be and just the way he stands over Gwen to come back the most heartbreaking scene and I'm just tearing up thinking about it it has to be one of the most wrenching scenes I've ever seen in a movie. The Death of Gwen Stacy is such an iconic part of the comic books but to see it fully realized on the screen it's just adds another layer to it you know.
I think the many story lines fit for the character of spiderman. A large part of spiderman and peter parker is struggle, being beaten down, overwhelmed, yet still finding a way to keep fighting and doing the right thing. From not being able to be everywhere hes needed, rent, loosing the people he loves, fighting crime, having love and being social, being seen as an menace and having those he saves and protect hate him, dealing with so much hardships simultaneously and stilling trying to fight against it all to be good, be a hero is what makes spiderman such an engaging and human character.
I love the amazing spider-man movies, not because of a good story, I love the whole atmosphere, it's dark and depressing, Peter is an outcast in his own way, a punk-ish skater kid, dare I say hipster. Tonaly and atmospherically it's a masterpiece
I follow a lot of channels devoted to story and some to psychology. This is my favorite channel. I always get excited when a new video is posted.....like Christmas.
Honestly, looking at all those films they had planned, I would have liked to see all of it. I mean, Tobey versus Andrew next year? Holy fuck. Edit: Well, maybe not the Aunt May spin-off, but the others. And without butt loads of studio interference.
The Amazing Spider-Man series was a pile of hot garbage that Sony created in order to maintain the rights to Spider-Man. I will die on that claim until I die.
Idc what anyone says.. the amazing spiderman films hit me the hardest and still do. The tobey films hit also but not as hard for me. The mcu...eh but i love all three actors as spidey but andrew is def my favorite
ASM2 is actually my favourite Spider-Man movie. That doesn't mean it's the best, even with being biased I can see all the flaws. But, something about it just clicks right for me in the context of a SM movie. I would consider Tom Holland's Spider-man to have the objectively the best movies and I really like them. It's just that this one if for some godforsaken reason my favourite.
This essay, was THIS close to making me like the MCU Spider-Man. There’s still that one problem The writers 😖😂 All jokes aside phenomenal essay. Phenomenal.
unpopular opinion: i actually enjoyed andrew's version of spiderman it was sony's fault why it wasnt as good as it should be. they literally wasted him.
I don't think the actor's performance is "unpopular" to like, as you say. It's the execution of the movies that turned off a lot of people, which is where most of the hate lies.
Can we just clap for our boy Avi Arad who single handedly ruined two Spiderman Movies A Venom Movie Had taken any freedom away from the directors for them to express themselves in their work. Lied to the general public. And manipulated the directors into saying good things about him. What a trainwreck I must say
6:18, anybody here watched stranger things season3?? they did the same "letter speech" thingy wherein Jim Hopper wrote a speech to eleven at episode 1 and we never get to hear what that speech is until the last episode wherein he supposedly died and eleven was able to read the letter.. all i'm sayin is that Stranger Things did it in a fantastic way! the letter is simply about hopper just wanting to say that he missed eleven because she is all grown up now, watching all episodes of the season3 and seeing what our characters has been through and then hearing the speech at the end gives it a whole different meaning! i cried during the last episode :(
Spider-man means the world to me. It pains me to see all the plans for tasm 2 cancelled, because, despite its flaws, I find the core story and message of the film so powerful and inspiring.
honestly the dark themes themes of time and the becon of hope he needs to accept is amazing the acting and actors in these films along with the suit is the best there has been and it saddens me that they botched the story and film of tasm2 andrew and the film had so much potential
Definitely interesting to see the MCU progression of spiderman as it fits differently in the avengers universe. There isn't just one superhero, there's many. I do think Hollands portrayal is more contemporary now than 10 years ago with Toby, however I'm hyped to see his progression even more as the high school arcs come to an end and the character matures. Great vid btw!
Alright, this is video is part of my experimental phase. However, unlike the Superman Man of Tomorrow essay, I avoided all social theories and tried to put more of myself into it, the plan moving forward is to find a spot that where I can talk about academics without coming off boringly didactic. Regardless, this is the penultimate part of the Comparing Spider-Men series (for now), the final part will put everything together and compare all three adaptions against the original Amazing Fantasy #15 comic to see what major patterns survive or are changed :)
At no point have you ever come off "boringly didactic." It is absolutely implicitly pretentious, but that's what we come for.
Your videos are always interesting so don't feel the need to change direction but I appreciate and admire your will to grow. I guess what I'm saying is whatever you want to do with your channel, you should do it because your commentary and analysis are fun to watch.
It's weird, I don't really give a shit about the topic but your essays are just so chill vibes. I'm subbing :)
I personally like this approach of more of you and less theories so keep on evolving it!
Your videos never came out as boring, neither now or before
But wait, 2:52
Gwen Stacy's Carnage?
The movie is what it is, but you can’t deny that Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone did amazing with what they were given. To me, Peter and Gwen’s relationship was the heart of these films.
Yeah I almost cried so much when Gwen died
@CandidlyOpinionated Yea, For me too!! 🥺✨❣️
@@theoutsiderjess1869
I didn't cry, but I felt so broken seeing Peter's sadness. Andrew nailed all those sad scenes.
I didn't shed tears. But I really cried inside.
Just a side note:
Is everybody gonna miss what was planned to 2021 here 3:00 ?!?!?
they did andrew garfield so dirty with these movies 😭 he had so much potential...
Would you love it if they did a live action Spider-verse movie with all Spidey actors?
@@2nd3rd1st At this point, the three Spider-Men reassemble the Marvel Trinity
Tobey Macguire's Spider-Man is like Iron Man because he is the one that started it.
Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man is like Thor because he acts like a boy and a man at the same time, he is kinda of a smooth talker, he is socially out of place at times, a lot of his loved ones die, he has a lot to deal with, and thinks a lot.
Tom Holland's Spider-Man is like Captain America because of his refusal to give up, his grit, his duty and wanting to do the right thing, him wanting to look after the little guy and wanting to make the world a better place, and has leadership skills.
Avi Arad and sony was the problem
@@SpFlash1523 I love how you defined Tom Holland and Andrew Garfield by their characters and qualities and Tobey Macguire it's just ''huh he came first''
Yeah I feel similar about the characters. Toby can be the most experienced, seasoned veteran Spidey who leads, Garfield is the desillusioned one who let himself go a little and needs new hope, and Holland is the spunky young go-getter crowd pleaser type. Miles Morales could bring his own demons and style.
Alas, it's just an amazing dream...
"Corporate America really"
The fact that I saw this comment exactly when the video got at 3:32 is kinda funky🥴
Just a side note:
Is everybody gonna miss what was planned to 2021 here 3:00 ?!?!?
The best video essays are the ones where I find something new to appreciate in the film. This is one of the best video essays.
Just wanna say.....imma big fan
I always feel awkward being one of the few people who actually liked the Amazing Spider-Man movies and feeling bummed there wasn't a third movie...
I feel your awkwardness.
Cheers.
You are not the only one.
Me to Andrew Garfield is my favourite to this day ....
I think the 2nd film is better than the first.
I for one actually genuinely enjoy both The Amazing Spider-Man movies. Like for sure they have there flaws but The Amazing Spider-Man movies are the first movies which deal with the idea that none of us ever feel like we have enough time. Enough time to play games, be a kid, enjoy time with your Grandma for example. That's what's so appealing to me.
The only thing that really makes me sad is that we’ll never have another Andrew Garfield that dude had so much passion for Spider-Man and carried the movies although they aren’t perfect or very good
Hey Tobey Maguire and Tom Holland have passion for Spider-Man they just show it in different ways I think because Andrew Garfield is an actor's actor you know not a studios actor and I don't know if that makes any sense it's just because he loves the craft of acting rather than just doing it for the paycheck and given how artsy he is I wonder how well he might have worked inside of the MCU machine I suspect he might have collapsed since he might have
Idk there are rumors that both Tobey & Andrew could be in MCU Spiderman 3. If that happens everyone would lose their minds
Tom Holland is pretty passionate about the character too, as Andrew, he grew up watching the Raimi trilogy and Holland even said he watched The Amazing Spider-Man a lot. It sucks to see that the direction, writing and executives don't really give them proper stories to tell about the character they love.
@Badass Batman comic accuracy doesn't matter
@@robl0xgamer258 yeah and they made spiderman stupid and let tony stark handle his tech cause he cant create on his own....
The two things I want most from Hollywood:
1. A second chance for Andrew Garfield.
2. A return of Hayden Christensen to Star Wars.
That's all I want !
I think you got your wish.
@@fsorbello I can see the future
@@SkullCloset lottery numbers next, please 😁
We’re halfway there
*"CORPORATE AMERICA, REALLY"*
Gwen's death scene is one of the best scenes in any spider-man movie
i love this account. it’s very unbiased
Aww thanks, it's because I have a really boring personality irl
Implicitly Pretentious hahahaha, i love andrew and tom and this account is great at seeing the good in all of them
It's like he's naturally _above_ seeing things in binaries. Almost as if he's...implicitly pretentious ;)
@@ImplicitlyPretentious - God I feel that, haha. As nice as it is to try and be as reasonable as you can possibly be, it doesn't exactly make for much of an interesting conversation at times.
It's good to be passionate about stuff, and have strong opinions, as much as it's also good to try and be reasonable in what other people like too.
I think it's great how much you embrace all of the deeper things that you picked up on in your videos, I really like that. Maybe it doesn't make for as much of a heated debate as a lot of more wide-spread media, but it's still worth talking about. And it really does feel authentic. I love that.
@@ImplicitlyPretentious Ahhhh shut up and be my friend. :P
I find it amusing how everyone shitted on TASM movies. I didn't like them that much either, BUT I was a kid and now that I am older I see how they really aren't that bad. TASM 1 I think is okay it is its own thing and you can't hate the for trying. TASM 2 is bad, BUT I can't lie when I say I think Andrew Garfield is my favorite actor to play Spiderman, and the suit in TASM 2 is probably my favorite movie suit. I just like how more people are recognizing that TASM wasn't Amazing but it wasn't bad.
Far from Home is really bad, imo
@D1n0k1n9 ㅤ Homecoming and CW's suit look awful CGI looking, FFH looked better, the film is worse though
@D1n0k1n9 ㅤ FFH literally has nothing going for it except for the suit though. Except for maybe "biggest villain" and even that is meant in terms of destruction scale, not how good the villain is.
When compared to the other Spidey movie it doesn't have:
- the best story
- the best Spidey
- the romance
- the best Flash Thompson
- The best message
- the best characters
- the best emotional scenes
- the best villain
- the best character development
- the best humour
- the most comic accurate personalities or looks
- the best actors
This might sound controversial but I literally think it's by far the worst Spider-Man movie. Far below TASM2 and Spider-Man 3.
yeah I mean I like Spider-Man 3 and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 I mean they're not perfect films they are flawed but they're not bad they're not unwatchable it's not like Batman and Robin where it's just so bad you can't even get through it we really don't have a movie that's that awful in the Spider-Man film franchise at least not in my opinion and so far we've had seven live action solo movies so I think that just says a lot.
@D1n0k1n9 ㅤ well I think that's because far from home is just so polished up where the Amazing Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man 3 are so rough around the edges that you can just find so many memorable moments but the MCU is just so obsessed with being polished I think that you'll never see any good memes anyway come out of any of those movies especially the Spider-Man movies that they make
11:30 The difference between the MCU Spider-Man movies seemed inverted to me. The first one was Peter desiring nothing more than to give up on school, join the Avengers and be a hero. The second one was Peter desiring nothing more than to go on a school trip, have a relationship with MJ and be a kid. By the end of the second movie, though, I translated the final battle as him becoming the sum of all his experiences. He appeared to Happy as Stark did when he was working, went to take on the bad guy as Spider-Man on behalf of the world and "Fury" (as an Avenger), and he took on all the drones with a shield (like Cap) and an object that resembled Thor's hammer. Then, he fully honed his Spider-Sense to defeat Mysterio which ended with him finally being THE Spider-Man we all know and love by swinging (and gliding) around NYC which also culminated in him being exposed to the world as SM and PP being one and the same and having to, in a way, grow up and face the legal issues that are somewhat inevitable. I'm rambling, but my point is, FFH is the end of his story arc whereas, I believe, #3 is going to be Spider-Man being exactly who we recognize him as being in the comics. He will be the [almost] in-over-his-head SM while being the down-on-his-luck PP before he completely gets his life together.
The FFH Peter is a bit of a double whammy when it comes to Peter's personal development. On the one hand is exactly what you describe: Peter wants to enjoy being a high school kid. The other side is his role as Spider-Man, an Avenger and the supposed successor to Tony Stark/Iron Man who he still saw as an unflappable mentor. These two sides of him collided and simultaneously collapsed in the airplane scene with Happy, where he breaks down about all these insecurities and contradicting desires only to be told that it's okay to just be himself and not try to live up to this impossible legacy he's trying to live up to. I completely agree with you that the climax of the film is the culmination of him taking his experiences over the past several adventures and letting him reinterpret who those experiences make him. He lets go of his insecurities, embraces his failures, learns from his mistakes, and bundles all that into finally making him the Spider-Man he's meant to be.
PeEpEe
@@CouchSpud91 my god that scene with Happy where he breaks down about his insecurities always gets me
Boy you really hit hit the nail on the head with your prediction with No Way Home. Amazing!
I honestly feel that The Amazing Spider-Man 2 should have just focused on 2 of the 6 storylines in this film, I would choose the Gwen and Harry storylines because it would help the series have a stronger thematic thread from the first film to the second one. The first film in my opinion was about Peter's relationship with his father figures; from Richard Parker to Uncle Ben to Curt Connors and the way that Spider-Man defeats the Lizard is by saving him and everyone else in New York from his monstrous form. This forces Connors to redeem himself by saving Peter from falling off Oscorp Tower. If the second one only focused on Peter's relationship with Gwen and Harry then we would have a lot more time to see Harry's desperation and decent into madness as he becomes the Green Goblin and we would have a stronger investment in Peter and Gwen's relationship which would make the ending where Harry kills her a lot more devastating.
It moved a tad too fast when it got to the middle basically and I agree with you
Agreed
that interview with my boy garfield really breaks my heart. I really like the asm series and i don’t think it deserves the hate. Spiderman 2 is genuinely amazing, they nail the character of peter parker. Spider-man far from home is my favourite spiderman film, as the action is some of the best in the mcu, and mysterio is spectacular. In conclusion, all of these movies are really really damn good.
@Black Ninja no, the Internet still tends to exaggerate how bad it is.
@@gigatronusprime no exaggerating
It's simply bad
If you like it it's ok, but just because you like it, it doesn't make it good
@@MrPF I don't like it too much, I find it alright, but I don't think the criticisms affect the film too badly.
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was Spider-Man 3 on steroids. While Spider-Man 3 had the same problem with struggling with multiple villains and different subplots the themes of Spider-Man 3 are very clear...mostly due to Sam Raimi. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 on the other hand not only suffers dealing with multiple villains and different subplots but also Iron Man 2 Syndrome with its bland world building just to tease 5 different upcoming projects. This film is easily the worst Spider-Man outing and deserves every piece of criticism thrown at it.
Same I started crying he loved spiderman and he wanted to be spiderman but it was striped away from him due to Sony terrible decisions and being sick that he missed a meeting
Poor Andrew Garfield, done dirty by corporate America.
Really looking forward to Black Widow and Hawkeye!
@Ross Coe Hahahaha poor you for whining over a great actor
@Ross Coe you probably do drugs
I understood that reference.
Ironically TASM2 is a movie where the movie individual threads were good, some maybe really good, but together they didn’t work well. A piece where the sum of its parts where significantly worse than the parta
Man, I'm still not use to hearing Andrew's natural accent.
Same thing with Tom Holland like he uses an American accent but when I hear his British accent I'm like that doesn't sound right that really doesn't sound right yeah and it's the same thing with Andrew cuz you're just so used to hearing their American accents from the Spider-Man movies cuz that's all we're used to seeing the in
Im used to both Tom Holland and Andrew partly because I am British
@@haydanbrittle8379 As brits we are proud that two out of the three Spidermen are British 😌 haha
Did you say there were plans for a spin off with Gwen Stacey as CARNAGE ?!
Yeah read Ultimate Spider-Man. Lots of clones.
@@Reytakang ultimate Spider-Man might be my favorite comic Spider-Man. And miles came from that universe too
I literally just discovered you from your Spider-Man videos and you’ve already released a new one, THANK YOU!
Aww thank you so much for watching! I've got like 5 more Spider-Man videos planned for the future! :)
This has got to be to most unique take on this film. It’s always has potential and this goes beyond that.
I love the mentorship storyline you saw between the two sequel movies, that was a great observation!
I never really read Marvel comics growing up (I wasn’t born in “corporate America”)
I did watch the Sam Raimi movies as a teen and liked them as... movies. Yeah, movies. Not spiderman movies.
So when I first saw the Amazing Spiderman movies at my young adult age, I thoroughly enjoyed them as... movies. IMO TASM are great movies. As someone who appreciates visual effects tech, I also appreciate these movies as an art form because of the leaps and innovations they made in designing spiderman’s suit and web swinging animation (look up the behind the scenes).
The original SR trilogy was great too, and I know that fans love them for their “true” depiction of spiderman, but to knock off TASM as “bad” movies when what you really mean is “not my type of spiderman movie” is unfair.
I understand what you mean and see why you think that.
I did always think the TASM movies are a tad underrated. They have so many flaws, but they tell interesting stories at core
I know the movie is this mess because Sony kept poking in there instead of letting Webb and the others make a movie, and this was a problem in the first movie. I like this interpretation though, for years I always thought how there was this message of what happens when young people have to step it up and try to navigate the world. I mean all the adults in the movie are in the dark and busy to provide (Aunt May and Gwen’s mom), have their own issues that are severely overlooked (Electro), or have agendas that aren’t in the best interest of the young person (OsCorp), and the kids-Peter, Gwen and Harry- have to figure things out. While Peter is able to make out this mess semi-okay, Gwen dies and Harry is now mutated and going further in darkness. So it’s an extremely depressing ending.
This is without a doubt my favorite Spider-Man film!! These themes and key plot elements have always stood out to me and I have never understood why people don’t see or appreciate them. While I wanted the follow-ups, I’m ok with this being only a two-part story. It is a true hero and coming of age story that began with the Amazing Spider-Man. This is what Spider-Man is all about!
Thanks so much for making this! It’s great to see someone talk about this movie properly and in depth
Aww it's my pleasure and thanks for watching it!
For me, TASM is in a comic book perspective, the Ultimate Spiderman(alternate universe) where Peter is a bit more edgy and as you can see in this video they're even building up for a sinister six movie which if you're reading the Ultimate Spiderman comics you know that they are Peter's enemies on his final battle before something unfortunate happens.
There are a lot of potential for Andrew and this franchise but they just kinda messed it up pretty badly with that execution but I still like some aspects of it.
ive been watching this channel for so long now and its surprising that he never runs out of ideas and keeps the good quality
Andrew Garfield looked so sad in that interview omg he deserved better
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Well, Sony actually got some of what they wanted didn't they? Maybe not this saturated but they made their Spiderverse films and Venom.
that cut between two different handshakes his 11/10
Seeing the “planned” Spider-Man movies really makes me wish the second movie was a success
Everytime I see the notification for a video from this channel, the titles music starts playing in my head. It's such a great pick (not unlike the rest of the channel)
It's very interesting how, had their plans gone right, we would have seen Tobey's Spider-man vs Andrews? Would that have worked?
This is my favorite Spiderman channel
they really were planning to do a spiderman vs amazing spiderman movie? thats crazy
The problem with these movies is that they basically rehashed the first two Spidey films (Raimi versions), in particular ASM 1, which was just so bad for going over the origin story again. And then along comes the sequel and shoehorns in The Green Goblin...why??
Weirdly, Nicholas Hammond would be a good choice to play Ezekiel, if they ever adapt the spider-totem stuff from the comics.
Sony's plans for if Amazing Spider-man 2 worked...
I'm glad it failed. That plan is a mess.
They should have picked 2 of these plots and not all 50 of them.
@@icecreamhero2375 especially not all of them in one decade.
@@IronLegionnaire1 what they did with Harry and electro really bothered me the most but everything else about the movie was fine and interesting
They are all still going foward
i know, if the movie worked we would've gotten Tobey Maguire vs Andrew Garfield movie
I don't give a damn what other people say, I loved Amazing Spider Man 2, and it needed a 3rd movie to round off the story.
And original there was going to be another storyline involving Mary Jane Watson played by Shailene Woodley in Amazing Spider-Man 2. However, her scenes were later cut from the film, with director Marc Webb explaining this as "a creative decision to streamline the story and focus on Peter and Gwen and their relationship". Despite this, Woodley was planned to reprise the role for future installments, starting with The Amazing Spider-Man 3, but Sony's deal with Marvel Studios and Disney resulted in the Amazing Spider-Man series' cancellation and these plans being unrealized. But it's said the scenes with Shailene Woodley were filmed, just edited out.
I feel like I need to watch the Andrew Garfield spiderman movies again. I honestly forgot the Aunt May story arch in all the other elements. Her story of trying to provide when she relied so much on Ben that she has to start over and never feeling like she's enough for Peter really broke my heart
I just found this channel yesterday and have only watched a few of your videos, but this is just incredible. There is so much more that goes into these movies than I had thought. It's just the little things that I didn't even notice when watching them and the overarching themes that you uncover in these essays really show me why some of these movies are more likable than others, in ways I couldn't see. Keep up the good work!
Great analysis. My older cousin loves tasm 2 and when i told him that i don't really like it(no offense to his opinion) he defended it by how many themes it tackles and at that time i knew what the problem was but couldn't put it to words(too many storylines cause inconsistencies) but you've explained it beautifully.
i loved this video so much, you perfectly managed to articulate why the amazing spider-man films mean so much to me, and why they resonate so strongly with me unlike the raimi trilogy and the mcu spidey. thank you for this
This movie hurt my soul I love Amazing Spiderman that franchise had so much potential that was squandered by Sony not only did this movie does not feel like a Marc webb movie the movie felt incredibly rush and had too much storyline going on all at once that the only positive thing that movie had was the Gwen Stacy death scene and that hurt because it felt like a part of me died when Gwen did. They should have properly build up all of theses characters especially Harry Osborn as we don't know that version of harry and he should have been the villain in the next movie
Wow Sony had a Tobey v. Andrew movie in 2021 planned. Now they both may be in Spider-Man 3 as a cameo which comes out in 2021 (for now). Life really comes full circle
I wouldn’t think they do cameos maybe be part of it for a good while.
Good work, Leo! Good commentary, and excellent editing! I also never noticed how closely Raimi's and Watt's SM2s are in basic story structure. That's an amazing nugget, so thanks for pointing that out!
I love the fact that you put the music you use in your videos Thanks!
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 had so many great storylines that could work rlly well on their own. If Sony took it’s time and let these storylines develop at a regular rate and gave them the multiple movies they needed. This series could have been truly special.
And to think next year we could’ve gotten Andrew Garfield vs Tobey Maguire (courtesy of Sony e-mail leak)
Just letting you know I appreciate the thumbnail
Aww thanks! I took an hour yesterday to figure out a new thumbnail format, so the 4 grid with the single word is going to be the new style for a while! :)
Hearing Andrew being heartbroken by how Sony treated his second outing along with Sam Raimi quitting Spidey-Man 4 due to Sony’s meddling is one of the reasons why I despise Sony Pictures
I keep saying this, i really liked Andrew's spiderman. I was so excited for part 3.
And let me tell you I have a very hard time thinking about the scene where Gwen Stacy falls to her death wish is why I don't really visit this movie that much because you see her fall down to the clock tower and you think Spider-Man's going to save her but the dramatic music tells you it's not to meant to be and just the way he stands over Gwen to come back the most heartbreaking scene and I'm just tearing up thinking about it it has to be one of the most wrenching scenes I've ever seen in a movie. The Death of Gwen Stacy is such an iconic part of the comic books but to see it fully realized on the screen it's just adds another layer to it you know.
I think the many story lines fit for the character of spiderman. A large part of spiderman and peter parker is struggle, being beaten down, overwhelmed, yet still finding a way to keep fighting and doing the right thing. From not being able to be everywhere hes needed, rent, loosing the people he loves, fighting crime, having love and being social, being seen as an menace and having those he saves and protect hate him, dealing with so much hardships simultaneously and stilling trying to fight against it all to be good, be a hero is what makes spiderman such an engaging and human character.
This video made me appreciate Amazing Spider-Man 2 more. I'm not sure if this was the goal, but it did that.
I never even thought that deep into these films like you've put a completely different perspective into all of these films
Ngl bois, he got me there at the end.
I just love The Amazing Spiderman 2.....
Yeah .....I don't care what y'all gonna think
You're analysis videos of Andrew's Spiderman movies are gold man!!
So, Tasm 2 is a time bomb and its the real villian, great explanation!!
I love the amazing spider-man movies, not because of a good story, I love the whole atmosphere, it's dark and depressing, Peter is an outcast in his own way, a punk-ish skater kid, dare I say hipster. Tonaly and atmospherically it's a masterpiece
I follow a lot of channels devoted to story and some to psychology. This is my favorite channel. I always get excited when a new video is posted.....like Christmas.
Honestly, looking at all those films they had planned, I would have liked to see all of it. I mean, Tobey versus Andrew next year? Holy fuck.
Edit: Well, maybe not the Aunt May spin-off, but the others. And without butt loads of studio interference.
The Amazing Spider-Man series was a pile of hot garbage that Sony created in order to maintain the rights to Spider-Man. I will die on that claim until I die.
The frist amazing spiderman is okay. But the second one is a straight up the worst Spiderman movie ever made.
Amazing Spiderman 2 though has the best matter in fact the perfect Spiderman theme
Idc what anyone says.. the amazing spiderman films hit me the hardest and still do. The tobey films hit also but not as hard for me. The mcu...eh but i love all three actors as spidey but andrew is def my favorite
Have you ever thought of making a movie, instead of making video essays
It will be fun to see Andrew Garfield play spiderman again, Toby Maguire too.
you’ll get way bigger than this. i’m glad i came this early. excellent analysis.
ASM2 is actually my favourite Spider-Man movie. That doesn't mean it's the best, even with being biased I can see all the flaws. But, something about it just clicks right for me in the context of a SM movie. I would consider Tom Holland's Spider-man to have the objectively the best movies and I really like them. It's just that this one if for some godforsaken reason my favourite.
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It says by the bottom of the sheet that they were planning to make a spider verse movie in 2021
This is a super underrated channel
He makes amazing spider man 2 sound so good
That Thor the Dark Thor poster was gold!
Seriously though, what's your favorite live-action depiction of Spiderman?
These videos make me love the amazing Spider-Man series so much more I wish it was explored more
I feel like Amazing Spider-Man 2 would work better as a video game
This essay, was THIS close to making me like the MCU Spider-Man. There’s still that one problem
The writers 😖😂
All jokes aside phenomenal essay. Phenomenal.
Solid choice
unpopular opinion: i actually enjoyed andrew's version of spiderman it was sony's fault why it wasnt as good as it should be. they literally wasted him.
I feel the same way.
Everyone who loves amazing spiderman agrees with you
I would almost......almost go as far as to say his the best almost
I don't think the actor's performance is "unpopular" to like, as you say. It's the execution of the movies that turned off a lot of people, which is where most of the hate lies.
So...Amazing Spider-Man 2 is like Hamilton. Theme about time running out, multiple antagonists, morally ambiguous hero, etc...
AmaZing video. Thanks for the TASM love
0:25 they predicted 2021
We to admit that TASM 2 has the best web singing out of any Spider Man movie.
The opening music reminds me of Kiki Delivery Service.
Can we just clap for our boy Avi Arad who single handedly ruined two Spiderman Movies
A Venom Movie
Had taken any freedom away from the directors for them to express themselves in their work.
Lied to the general public.
And manipulated the directors into saying good things about him.
What a trainwreck I must say
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One of the best jump cuts I've ever seen
6:18, anybody here watched stranger things season3?? they did the same "letter speech" thingy wherein Jim Hopper wrote a speech to eleven at episode 1 and we never get to hear what that speech is until the last episode wherein he supposedly died and eleven was able to read the letter.. all i'm sayin is that Stranger Things did it in a fantastic way! the letter is simply about hopper just wanting to say that he missed eleven because she is all grown up now, watching all episodes of the season3 and seeing what our characters has been through and then hearing the speech at the end gives it a whole different meaning! i cried during the last episode :(
Spider-man means the world to me. It pains me to see all the plans for tasm 2 cancelled, because, despite its flaws, I find the core story and message of the film so powerful and inspiring.
You sir have earned a subscriber, you're on point.
honestly the dark themes themes of time and the becon of hope he needs to accept is amazing the acting and actors in these films along with the suit is the best there has been and it saddens me that they botched the story and film of tasm2 andrew and the film had so much potential
*Grabs Popcorn* this is gonna be good
Definitely interesting to see the MCU progression of spiderman as it fits differently in the avengers universe. There isn't just one superhero, there's many. I do think Hollands portrayal is more contemporary now than 10 years ago with Toby, however I'm hyped to see his progression even more as the high school arcs come to an end and the character matures. Great vid btw!
spiderman vs the amazing spiderman? wtf? that's would be cool
Yeah man I wish a movie like that would happen where all spidermans would appear
This video made me really wished we had a fulfilling trilogy with Andrew Garfield Spiderman as Marc Webb originally intended.
Fantastic video
That ending... what a tease. Great vid though!