Homecoming: the dream of being like your idols & learning it’s ok to be yourself Far from home: letting go of that idol and discovering who you can be No way home: becoming who you are truly meant to be & doing the best you can at it
Story wise No Way Home has more layer than Spiderverse. It's also theme of regret, atonement, and sacrifice. Watt and team juggled so many elements in one film it risks to become suckest film of all time but they pulled it through, beautifully.
@@chengkuoklee5734 exactly. I feel like people don’t realize how great a feat the movie is. The fact that they juggled so much thematically, while creating a grand tale with nostalgia and a ridiculous amount of characters, all whilst being a sequel-continuation film, and they pulled it off.
@Daniel Aloysius Gumulyo It seems like that there are a lot of people that likes No Way Home and that Tobey and Andrew showed up. Everyone that I talk to enjoyed those moment
Yes! This trilogy has really connected with me on a personal level. As a young person I’m often full of self doubt and not knowing what I want. It feels good to see one of my favorite characters struggle as I do.
I feel like what a lot of people don’t get is that this peter was born in a world filled with super heroes unlike the other 2 where they were the only ones. How could you not look up and want to be like the avengers that you’ve seen saving the world. I feel like it makes sense that Tony would pick up some kid that’s swinging around the city and saving people to mentor him.
Oh most people don’t watch he movies and are hypocrites. They’ll cite the raimi trilogy and the game as “doing spider man right” (which they do) but in that very game Peter and miles have the EXACT same mentor mentee relationship that tony and Peter have. And miles and MCU Peter are the same age. Peter gives him his first web shooters. Teaches him how to swing. Gives him his first suit. He even goes on missions with him. And Peter was miles’ idol before he even got bit, he looked up to him. They even have those same conversations “hey Pete when are we gonna go on a mission together, miles you’re 15 focus on school” or something like that. SAME EXACT thing. And I don’t remember that being in the comics when miles was first created. People just like to complain about stuff, when listing why they dislike the movies they pretty much expose themself all the time. That’s why I just ignore people like hitop and everybody else. If you dislike MCU spiderman but love the game then I don’t need to hear anything further you a hypocrite
@@julian2238 exactly. Thats the problem. This story of Spider-Man in the MCU isnt the story of Peter Parker. Its Miles Morales. Almost everything is taken from Miles to the point they shouldve just had him instead of Peter
@@hwanniggles187 "They should've just had Miles instead of Peter" The MCU Spidey hater's favorite strawman. Seems that you completely forgot or blatantly ignore one important aspect about Miles as a character: Brian Michael Bendis wrote Miles as a contrast to Peter. Peter Parker got bit by a spider and he went on to become a hero as Spider-Man. Miles also got bit... and he hid his powers from everyone for a year. When Peter wanted to be a hero, Miles never wanted to be one; he just want to live a normal life. When the Peter Parker in his universe died, that caused him guilt. So with advice from Ganke, Miles took the mantle of Spider-Man. You forgot that MCU Spidey took a lot of elements from Ultimate Spider-Man and you mentioned Miles most of the time. But Ultimate Peter/Spidey is younger, modern and prone to mistakes; that's what Tom's Spider-Man is based from.
I think the reason why I and so many ppl gravitated towards this version of Peter Parker despite not being the most overtly comic accurate is because he really is the quintessential Spider-Man of generation Z. Like Peter Parker in the mcu, many of us were born in a generation afforded with more opportunities due to ever changing technological fields. As a result older generations tend to force these opportunities and incredible expectations on us to the point where we don’t know what to do with them, and when we don’t know what to do with them we’re labeled “incompetent”, “lazy” and “too childish”. In the end we have no choice but to toss it all aside and figure out our own way. We end up with less opportunities than we started with and less people to “help” us through it, but while other generations would view that as a bad thing we view it as a good thing. Life can surprisingly be simpler when you’re allowed to navigate it at your own will, without the expectations weighing you down.
@@joaovitor9673 I once heard a 62 year old comic fan said Home trilogy is closest to the early original comic essence. Character wise, Andrew's closest compared the two; Raimi's the least in all aspects.
One thing I noticed is that all of the 3 main villains in this trilogy (Vulture, Mysterio and Green Goblin) all use the colour green in their outfits. The last one is not being subtle about it as it is in the name of the character. However this is interesting as the word green can be used to describe someone that is inexperienced or naive in a certain field. Which makes sense as the MCU peter is the "youngest" and the newest of the live action spidermen. This is even brought up in Homecoming where people thought Tony was insane for bringing a 15 year old to a superhero vs superhero battle who's only experience of being a "hero" has been capturing petty crooks and helping old ladies. Which is why the lesson Tony learned in Iron Man 3 becomes one of the key lessons Peter has to learn. The suit doesn't make the hero. It is the person inside that does. Hence why Peter defeats Vulture in his self made sweatsuit. Peter takes this lesson but does misunderstand it with Far from Home. Where he doubts that he is a hero AND Tonys "successor" because of his own insecurities following his idols death. So he passes off that responsibility to Mysterio. Showcasing that once again Peter is inexperienced. He is green. Peter manages to gain the confidence in himself to confront his mistake and defeats Mysterio. However the illusionist has an ace in the hole. Now Peter is forced to live life where everyone knows who is truly. He is no longer protected by a secret identity. So he goes to Doctor Strange and ask him to cast a spell where everyone forgets that he is spiderman. While he claims this is for his friends, MJ and Ned. Deep down it is really for himself. Which is why he doesn't think it through. This leads to Peter asking for exceptions to be made mid spell. This is the catalyst for Far From Home and this is where Green Goblin comes in. To finally give the spider one last lesson. The guilt of loss. It takes the other two spidermen to help Peter overcome this. From Tobey's Peter losing Uncle Ben and later Harry because of his mistakes and Andrew's Peter losing Gwen because of his mistakes. The two experienced Peters help Tom's Peter overcome the guilt. But once again Tom's Peter takes it a bit too far and is ultimately consumed by rage. Going against the ideals that he and his Aunt May represent by trying to kill Norman. He is once again green.... inexperienced. You can't save everyone. But that does not mean that you shouldn't try to. Even if that person took someone or something away from you. In the end Peter has to make the sacrifice to undo the mess he caused. His actions has consequences and he doesn't have someone like Tony, Happy, Strange, nor the other Peters to protect him. Not this time. One can say that the whole trilogy is designed to answer a simple question. What makes a hero a hero? Perseverance through adversity (Homecoming), Confidence in ones self (Far from Home) and finally forgiveness of others and yourself (No Way Home). But throughout all the trilogy are some key important things. Selflessness and humility. Taking responsibility and accepting the consequences of your actions. You cannot hide behind people forever.
May I add, it's not only about the consequences but also circumstances that beyond control. Shit happens even you do the right thing. You'll need to perseve to do the right thing. Toby and Andrew aren't there for "great power great responsibility" instead to support Tom to persevere through all the uncontrollable circumstances & consequences. Merisei Aunt May's "power responsibility" is more like Ratcatcher 2's "Love Bet" to take risk to do the right things. In the ending is Spidey 2's Aunt May's "steady" and Tom took a "very steady" path even Doctor Strange amire. For me, Dr Strange should share 60% burden of spell failure and Peters' the one who pays 300% to fix the mess. Something tells me this going to bite back Strange in Multiverse of Madness.
I thought I was the only one who noticed the detail in the villains and how this symbolizes their inexperience but at the same time their growth in the 3 movies, it's something so simple but so cool
I have to say that you really changed my outlook on the MCU's Spider-Man. At first Far From Home and it's lighter tone is what turned me off to the character, but your appreciation for the original comics run made me take a second look. I appreciate it more for it even if it's not my favorite.
I always had difficulties watching these films, because they grew up with me. I was a 14 year old kid about to start freshman year when Homecoming came out and I was going to be 15 during my own homecoming. I could feel that awkward feeling of wanting and that feeling of self imposed expectation. I was a 17 year old going into a junior year when Far From Home came out. The world felt like it was changing... and it was. I felt that anxiety and longing for an escape. I am in my first year of college now that No Way Home has been released. I remember that feeling that the world was against you, that feeling of panic in the pit of your stomach. I am starting my first steps into adult hood and it's scary and uncertain, I don't know what's going to happen and one mistake can ruin everything. I always had problems with characters that were too similar to myself and I saw myself a lot in Peter Parker, but, after seeing No Way Home, I realize that maybe I needed someone to relate to.
Oh my gosh YES I relate so hard to this. Homecoming for me was right after my freshman year of HS. Far From Home was just at the tail end of my junior year. And I saw No Way Home three semesters into college in the midst of a pandemic. Peter in Homecoming was in all the same kind of afterschool activities I was in, liked Lego Star Wars like I did, and just like me had difficulty and anxiety navigating certain social situations while feeling overextended. Far From Home reminded me a LOT of the shape of my friendships in that part of my teen years, plus the feeling of being out of place and underqualified in an adult world as I navigated my first paid job. And with No Way Home I felt a STRONG relatability with the way so many of my friendships from High School came to an end as I found a different place among people in college much more like me who helped/still help me emerge into adulthood... Deep 🙀
Bro same, I was in between freshman and sophomore year when Homecoming came out and had a weird moment when I realized Peter was the same age as me. Then I was 17 and about to be a senior when Far From Home came out, and a 19 year old sophomore in college when No Way Home dropped. These films weren’t my first exposure to Spider-Man, that would be the first two Raimi films and then the Webb films, but they are the films that made me love Spider-Man.
because people want the same movies every generation, and it’s annoying because that won’t happen so instead of appreciating the movie for what they are people only see the negatives because they can’t let the old movies go, even if those old movies might have been better
I wasn’t really a big fan of it because the action wasn’t great and I didn’t like how much tech he used in his suit. Thankfully the next 2 movies greatly improved in both those aspects
@@givenchydufflebag he said the same with Tasm then out of nowhere said he rewatched it and likes it now, his tobey bias and wanting a copy pasta is holding him back from giving relevant criticism. His worst take is saying Tom wasn’t relatable (yeah because a self doubting awkward teen who wants nothing more than to just have a good time with his friends and be with the girl he desires is definitely not relatable) and that Spider-Man (trying to find escapism from his superhero life) isn’t Spider-Man 🤦🏽♂️
@@Just_abigheadnoob fr, i remember he said he wasnt relatable because he dosent have "money problems". Toms peter is only 14-16 living with aunt may, why would he have money problems 😭😭
you’re one of the few creators on this platform that truly understands who peter parker/spider-man really is, thank you for these amazingly written intellectual videos that really delves into who he is to his core.
@@TolietWater No he just accepts what the source material is and looks at the films by comparison. You don't have to agree with him but he isn't wrong with his interpretation.
Spider-Man home trilogy is his origin story Homecoming: hero without suit Far from home: spidey sense aka Peter tingle No way home: with great power comes with great responsibility
@Toad Is Forgotten I mean even though you understand the initial lesson doesn’t mean. You understand the consequences or what being a hero is: 616 Peter Parker was a dick, and that went on long after the mugger got turned in. His immediate response after Ben was killed? Keep on going with the show business until Jameson starts going after him. His first couple saves are at least in part about His Good Name, whether saving Jameson’s son with the idea that it would get him on the old man’s good side, or going after the Chameleon for impersonating him, and even once he starts going after criminals on a consistent basis it’s initially only for photography money. He takes stupid chances. He’s desperate for cash. He insults and attacks undeserving people. He fakes pictures of Sandman and Electro with the flimsiest of moral justifications. He’s got a chip on his shoulder the size of Queens and can barely begin to control his temper. He’ll lash out at people on suspicion or anger alone, and in some early stories he just plain gave up or ran away until he learned his lesson or circumstances changed. Ultimate Peter was just as cocky and head strong until circumstances like Kingpin rushed in and unmasking him and he learned how to use his head or events like Venom. TASM Peter was told the responsibility lesson, and was hunting uncle Ben’s killer until the Lizard came along, Captain Stacy’s speech with him in the dinner and the bridge scene. MCU Spidey is like that: learning the ropes of being a hero and what the costs of being a hero truly entails and how to become a self assured hero
Tobey Maguire movies are about the essence of heroism, a deep character study of the spidey mythos Andrew Garfield is about how the spiderman connects to people, relationships and the burdens they carry Tom Holland does exactly what the director intended. Turn down the notch to spiderman/Peter simply surviving through highschool and tries to build a compelling origin story with respect to it.
This was my first exposure to Spider-Man so this trilogy has a special place in my heart. I loved seeing Peter go from a young teen to a grown man who has to rely on his own resources to help others.
Even though this wasn’t my first exposure to Spider-Man this trilogy is close to my heart because 1 when homecoming and far from home came out I was around the same age as Peter 2 is that this Spider-Man garnered an emotional reaction from me that the others haven’t ( no hate to them tho I love them) and lastly it’s just fun.
I’ve been around long enough to have watched *every* Spider-Man movie in theaters since 2002. And I’m glad that you guys love the trilogy. I also have a weird connection with the three Peters. Tobey: Spider-Man I grew up with. Andrew: Spider-Man I grew alongside (I graduated from high school when TASM 2 was released). Tom: Spider-Man whose actor is the same age as me.
Very nice to see new people discovering spider man. I started reading my brother old comic books when i was 8. Spider man is my favorite hero to this day.
@@JohnSmith-lt1ck I have a somewhat familiar connection Tobey was the one that u heard about from older people like a legend Andrew was the one i grew up with And Tom was the one who continued the amazing journeys.
I love the “Home” trilogy to the point where it is my favorite high school Spider-Man story arc. I have said this many times before but Spider-Man’s arc in this home trilogy was about a boy becoming a man and learning all the tough choices you have to make as a hero. Peter learned a lot fighting his greatest enemy which was himself. His arc up until this point was Peter going from a young eager kid to a independent hero to finally a responsible and mature man and if that doesn’t scream Spider-Man I don’t know what else is. For the future I would like to see Peter mentor others for a change to show just how much the man grew and honestly I wouldn’t mind the Ultimate Spider-Man death be adapted here and Miles taking over. So many possibilities for our friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.
I don't think MCU needs to kill Peter so Miles can take over. He can chose to retire and start up a company like in the modern comic Parker Industry. He chose to start a corporation to uphold corporate social responsibility that other corporation neglected to help out "little people". It will be fun if he forms a company with Scott Lang & 3 Wombats, giving underprivileges 2nd chance to people like ex-convicts, ex-villains, aliens, mutants, and other minorities. Then he found Spider sense is useless against corporate viciousness; he can't punch his way out with Spider strength and can't wrap problems up with web. They should make a series like WandaVision, Falcon & Winter Soldier, Hawkeye etc. When Peter is down, Luis brought him out for fine wine tasting, gives him art gallery tickets so he could take a break with MJ; Shang Chi & Katy pull him to karaoke, and maybe Miles asks him a swing in New York. You know, all those heart warming non-super hero stuffs.
@@chengkuoklee5734 I agree, I’m honestly tired of the whole “Peter needs to be killed so miles can take the mantle”, like that was just 1 story from the ultimate universe, that doesn’t reflect other universes to follow, heck insomiacs version they kept Peter alive which I’m thankful for.
This trilogy has been such a joy. We watch this Peter grow up and figure out what it means and what it takes to be Spider-man. He doesn't get bit, loses Uncle Ben, then *BAM* he's in his prime. There's a learning curve, and it takes time to figure these things out. I have had previous issues with Peter only being (at most) 6 months into his career when Tony recruited him, and I've had thoughts about an alternate take where Peter is introduced while being in College and being active as Spider-man for about 2 years. But now that I've seen the trilogy in it's full, watching this multi-movie character arc reach a completion, this was the only way they could have done it. This version of Peter makes the most sense as being someone who's grown up in a world of superheroes who are admired and seen as celebrities. His youthful perspective makes sense, his integration into the MCU makes sense, and his growth makes sense. It also justifies other aspects of the character, like Jameson. Having the Mysterio fiasco be the thing that made the Daily Bugle grow makes Jameson focusing so heavily on Spider-man and calling him a menace when Superheroes are usually accepted and lifted up (e.g Rogers: the Musical, Statue of Liberty renovation, Iron Man tributes, etc). It wouldn't have made sense for Jameson to focus on a low-level vigilante at the start of his career because vigilante's and superheroes are more common, make sense. The controversy surrounding Spider-man after FFH gives Jameson targeting him some sense of rationality right off the bat. And killing Aunt May with her reaffirming the lesson on Power and Responsibility gives it’s own weight to the death. While her character hasn’t been utilized much in the first two movies, the time we’ve had with her makes the death feel different. We’ve seen so much more of her interacting with Peter than Ben did, she’s become her own character as opposed to an immediate plot device who everyone already knows will die. And her death was so real, watching her fade away, not fully processing that she was dying was heartbreaking.
It's just frustrating when people criticizes Andrew's Spidey decisions, when Tom's Spidey did the exact same bad decisions in his movies. The hate towards this version of the character cames out of Andrew fans (like me) frustrated about how people just shit on that version of the character for being HUMAN, make wrong decisions, like a HUMAN. Like I said, it's frustrating. People just needs to chill out and appreciate each character pros, and criticize the flaws of ALL OF THEM without exception.
i love this trilogy and your interpretation of Peter Parker. MCU Spidey was my first Spider-Man and i loved kinda growing up with him as i am teenager myself. His self-doubt, overthinking and uncertainty are very relatable and maybe this will sound stupid but i love these movies, because i've found some life lessons for myself in them. And all your spider-man essays point them so well, so i just want to thank you for making these
I feel the same way! I was the same age as Peter was in Hoco when it came out so it’s felt like I’ve been growing up with him. It’s been pretty cool and reassuring watching MCU Peter going through similar emotions and stages in life at the same time as me.
In my personal opinion Far From Home and No Way Home are two parts of the same story and I am just going to say it Defoe was a much better Green Goblin in the MCU than in the Raimi trilogy
Goblin was much better in this, mostly for the reason that he actually had some motives aside from just being crazy and a killer, although they still didn't completely change the character which I loved
@@SpencerHansen2025 raimi trilogy is my least favorite, but just tbf goblin had clear motives in SM1. even tho his actions after the first fight and before the lats fight kind of contradict with them
Yeh there's a bunch that makes a lot of noise online. Well there's also a bunch that hates one of my absolute favourites - Ragnarok, I was shocked when I found out. I was like "do people hate fun now? What's happening to this world?". But generally these are well liked movies as evident from their ratings on every major movie rating site and box office returns.
Easily my favorite Spidey trilogy, you can argue that Spider-Man 1 & 2 are better than every movie in the Home trilogy yet I’d say the Raimi trilogy had a weak finisher unlike the Home trilogy
@@littleredruri well Idk If this will make sense, but out of the raimi films spiderman 3 was my favorite. But I do think spiderman 2 was the best well made
Imagine Trilogy as banquet. You have appetizer, main courses, then ended with dessert. Raimi's problem was due to restaurant owner interference, he couldn't provide the remaining main course dishes and desserts he envisioned. So the banquet experience was ruined. The Dark Knight accidently created the best first main course dish. This pose a problem, it makes the other dish behind it pale in comparison but the chef saved the day with satisfying dessert.
The MCU Spidey trilogy definitely improves from each film to the next, which I appreciate. But there’s just something to be said for how Raimi starts so well right out of the gate. Spider-Man is a great film simply on its own, even if you don’t include the other two. Conversely, the MCU trilogy needs its other parts to truly be a complete story. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but it’s also something that limits each film’s potential.
People complain about how Far from Home Peter doesn't want to save people in Europe vacation and acts selfish, they forget this movie starts right after Endgame, so Peter has been dead for five years, now he realized how life is fragile and how he has to enjoy his life, damn even Cap became selfish as he settled with Peggy in the end.
Peter wants to be a hero, but he doesn’t believe that he’s qualified to be one of the big heroes like Iron Man and the main Avengers. I can’t blame his dilemma though because of not only everything that happened to him in Infinity War and Endgame, but also his role in those movies. Peter wasn’t really a big player at all. He was just support, and if it wasn’t for his Iron Spider suit, he would’ve easily been folded. MCU Spider-Man, up until the final battle in Far From Home, is weak, but that was intentional because this version of the character is an underdog. Despite the film not directly adapting the “Spider-Man No More” comic storyline, Far From Home is more accurate, faithful, and true to the essence of that comic than Spider-Man 2. The reason being why Peter quits. In Spider-Man 2, Peter quits for selfish reasons (he wants to be with Mary Jane; Raimi stans/MCU haters are hypocrites), and life actually gets better for him (no dire consequences). In Far From Home, Peter “quits” (as in gives up the responsibility of using the EDITH glasses and becoming a superhero like Iron Man to Mysterio) because of self-doubt. He believes that people putting their faith in an inexperienced teenager is irresponsible. So he “quits” because he believes it’s the responsible choice. But it actually led to dire consequences, just like in the comics after Peter quits (the Kingpin gets introduced in the comics). Mysterio is actually a villain, and Peter gave a villain more power. Peter puts his friends in danger, he gets framed and exposed by Mysterio, and then he loses it all in No Way Home.
@@supersaiyanfox9190What I've been saying all along. Also, after No Way Home, Mysterio's legacy still lives on in the eyes and minds of the people. Strange's spell only erased Peter from existence, so Mysterio's "heroic" actions still linger on. He is still the greatest enemy Peter has ever faced, even in death because of his speech in Far from Home. Far from home is far more impact on no way home than people realize. It also makes no way home better, heightening the reputation of itself in the process. No Spider-Man film has ever had the audacity or the courage to reveal his secret identity to the world. It's never been done in the history of the films. It's an ambitious move, it paid off tremendously and Tom Holland has officially become the hero that the city deserves. He has stripped himself of Stark tech, Avengers connections and his friends. He has now become the character that fans will recognize from the classic comics and animated shows. This is what I hoped they would do, as I like to consider this The Young Peter Parker trilogy. The next one could be called the college trilogy.
all of this. I grew up with the Raimi and USM/JMS run, The MCU did well in showing High School era Peter maturing and coming to his own as Spider-Man and standing on his own. They made it feel natural he becomes a more self assured hero. It felt comic accurate and delved in elements of Peter, in a new and refreshing way. Spider-Man isn’t something he figured out overnight. It’s a consistent growth
This trilogy is amazing. In Civil War He literally starts his journey as a kid with homemade mask and hoodie trying to help people in his neighborhood and looking up to Avengers. His biggest idol, Tony Stark, notices him, gives him tech and resources and lets him fight along Avengers. In Homecoming, he tries to become a new Iron Man and even has a chance to join Avengers, but at the end he declines the offer, because he realizes he is destinated to work by himself helping people in his neighborhood. In Infinity War he is a teenager, but still joins Avengers to fight an alien on other planet, which eventually makes him disappear for 5 years. In Endgame, he wins with Thanos but loses his mentor and idol, Tony Stark, who gives him access to all of his tech. In FFH he fells the pressure of public to become the next Iron Man, someone he didn't become in Homecoming. He wants to chill on a school trip, but the responsibility of being Spider-Man outweighs his needs. At the end, Peter learns that he isn't a suitable person to have access to such advanced tech. He starts dating MJ and has a first normal week in his life since the spider bite. In NWH it's all trashed, everyone on the Earth knows that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. His friends suffer because of that, so he makes and impulsive and irresponsible decision to cast a spell, so that everyone would forget he is Spider-Man. Spell didn't work out and now villains from other dimensions want to kill him and instead of sending them back, he realizes that responsibility of being Spider-Man is to help others. Because of his decision, Green Goblin kills Aunt May. He's on the verge of giving up as a hero and is going to kill Green Goblin, but other Spider-Men remind him, that it is not what heroes do. Peter realizes to save the world, he has to make entire universe forget who he is. And he does it. Now he is left with nothing and no one. Once a kid that got blessed with tech and resources that blindly was trying to become a new Iron Man, he lost everything he had and started a new life as a grown, responsible man. He was the most famous man in the world, now no one knows him. He now lives in a dorm room, like Sam Raimi's Spider-Man did. Such a tragic character. I'm curious if Marvel will continue his story.
I love how they never forget to adress teenager issues whilst he's fighting villains with his superpowers. The movies are about a kid growing up and learning life lessons and they never lose focus. It's why these movies are better than the others because here, the superhero stuff is not the main focus of his identity. It isn't the whole reason of his struggles and that is beautifully written because it deals a lot more with Peter Parker himself. It's why everyone can relate despite it being a superhero movie.
Homecoming : An avengers fanboy. Far From Home : Trying to deal with the responsibility. No Way Home : Pays the price for trying to do the right thing.
People don't like the Home trilogy because everyone has forgotten what it's like to be a teen. They relate more to a broke college student because they're broke middle age people. But forget as kid with potential adults are more willing to help out and being naive and idealistic teenagers just follow what the adults an for them
I'm 40 year old and the Home Trilogy reminds me the teen life I wasted and messed up. It resonated strongly with me. In Far From Home Peter apologised to Happy while I screwed up something and I don't have chance to apologise anymore.
@@chengkuoklee5734 same. I love that they kept this Peter in high school for as long as they could. Everyone forgets the learning curve of being human high school puts on all of us. So much wasted potential if only we knew what we know now
@Emo Gamer R well the AC/DC music is not exactly connected to Spider-Man it’s supposed to be a reference to Ironman1 cause that’s the first thing you hear when you start at the Beginning the of the MCU mostly because FFH is supposed to be the final movie in the infinity saga and the final movie in phase 3. When it comes to the villains I kinda don’t mind the connection but at the same time a little annoyed. Plus in the comics these villains mysterio and vulture never hated Spider-Man until Spider-Man started ruining their plans and started to grow to hate him which homecoming and FFH did. Plus you’d have to explain what grown adult men would want with a teenager When it comes to the suits the only suits that we’re given to him was the civil war suit and the iron spider suit and I’m gonna give iron spider a pass since Ironman is the only one to develop that suit movie or comic but besides that Peter did make 3 of his suits all on his own 2 of which are my top favorite live action suits plus Jon watts wanted to explain how a broke teenager in queens would be able to make such a good looking suit and the red/black suit doesn’t enhance his physical abilities or give him new ones unlike the other 2 suits stark gave him. Also why do people have a problem with MCU Spidey getting materials to make one Spidey suit when PS4 Spidey did the same thing with doc ocks tech with 2 of his suits
@Emo Gamer R This Spider-Man is certainly relatable. Just cause he’s friends with a billionaire doesn’t mean he’s not relatable. Like I can relate to how he goes through self doubt, fear to live up to others expectations, always screwing something up so bad that you try to take responsibility for it and fix it and always sacrificing what you want to do for the sake of others. Certainly the other Spider-Men have relatable qualities but I can’t relate to money problems, holding down a job and all that like Tobey but I can relate to Tom’s version more
@@t.j.1584 They forgot that scene from Homecoming when Stark berated Peter before taking the suit with *"What if somebody died tonight? Different story, right? That's on you! And if you died? Well, that's on me."* That line hits hard when we go flash forward to Infinity War.
MCU Spidey is like the 616 and Ultimate Spider-Man from high school Peter: He grows, he shifts, he learns lessons and forgets them and falls and picks himself back up, and he never stops pushing forward. He takes on the responsibility of becoming the Man he claims to be, that others need him to be, even if he doesn’t consciously realize it at first. That’s how he was built, and how he was visibly meant to keep going at first. That’s the "in", that’s what makes him an everyman we can all relate to, because no one ever stops growing up. But initially Peter was a boy who wanted to be like comic book superhero . MCU Peter’s journey is similar to this, but if he was initially accepted and brought in to be a hero during civil war as opposed to be refused from the Fantastic Four or not joining the Avengers because he didn’t capture the Hulk or the government denying him like in ASM Annual#1 or Avengers#236-236. Or USM#4-5/150-160 Even the Ultimate Spider-Man comics had him as an idealistic, strenuously ethical and moral foil to more hardened, jaded, "pragmatic" or ruthless adult heroes. The Ultimate Universe had all of Peter’s time as a hero being during his high school years, with Death of Spider-Man even taking place shortly after he had been Spider-Man for only a year. Compared to the likes of older heroes like the Ultimates, he was a rookie (hell when Ultimate Venom threatened him in War of the Symbiotes, he tried to go to both the Ultimates and the F4) . Ultimate Peter going to other heroes for help, because the idea of loner Spidey is long gone, especially when he's a teenager in a world of established supers and built relationships with them like MCU Spidey has. But there are moments he learned how to stand on his own and grow into a more self assured hero
10:19 thank you! I'd like to add my take on it and hopefully some people see what I'm saying but here's the thing. The whole stark tech "problem" if you want to call it that was part of his Arc. If you look at it through the lens of adolescence to adulthood it makes immensely more sense in context, Peter at 15 he's still a kid he's still figuring things out, I never expected him at that age to face crazy consequences like Toby's version or even Andrew. But as the films keep going you start to realize "oh wait they're building to something here. " You're damn right when you say they're not going to turn Spider-Man into iron Man. Now I'll go on a limb and say that not everything was planned out beat for beat, but the general concept of Peter finally being on his own by the end that part always felt like it was planned. Every movie goes through rewrites or reshoots to better fit the story. I just think people jump the gun too quickly when it comes to things things that bother them about a film. There's a narrative formed that everything has to be a certain way or that it has to be what the fans want when that's not the case. I find it baffling when I see how some reviewers say they finally fixed him or they sort of fix him, they didn't fix him they just stripped away the fat, in the same way Thor Ragnarok did for the Thor films, it didn't retcon anything, it didn't throw shade at previous directors it just embraced what me the other two great and doubled down. I think when fans say they need to do something a certain way in order for it to be considered good, that's their way of saying "if it's not x y and z then it's a bad movie" This is my main problem with high top films which by the way is not a bad reviewer (he's got a great editing style and approach). But I think his standards bounce back and forth way too much, on the one hand he'll say "Let there be Carnage" is great because it's not trying to be a a-list movie. Then on the other hand he'll trash homecoming and far from home because " they didn't do what Rami did" and if you think of exaggerating just watch his constant praise of those movies. He puts them on of God forsaken pedestal for Christ's sakes. Which I think in hindsight ruins his ability to even enjoy other movies outside of a few. Look my point is I think fans should start looking at them for what they are and not for what they aren't. That way you can still have fun watching movies.
THANK YOU!!! I've been seeing people say that NWH saved the character because he was on track to become the worst adaptation of Spider-Man and Peter Parker. But no. He was NEVER going to be the new Iron Man. It was quite clear from the start that he was gonna end up at this point by the end of the trilogy whether they went the multiverse route or not. People really need to rewatch the first two MCU Spidey films with the benefit of hindsight to reevaluate their opinions instead of just sticking to their biases and saying the other two sucked. I just subscribed and I'm glad I found your channel through this video. Great job!
@Emo Gamer R I've said from the beginning that I don't like the AC/DC scene because it literally goes against what the movie was teaching like literally 30 seconds before that. And when it comes to the villains, Vulture and Mysterio being initially motivated by Stark makes sense as they were villains that were meant to show Peter being a protege of Stark becoming his own man. Both those villains only started out being motivated by Stark. They were more so motivated by their own morals. And why does it matter? The other villains in the Raimi movies didn't have anything to do with Spider-Man when they became villains (except for Venom and Harry). So, why should they here? Also, that whole "it makes Spider-Man not relatable" argument is incorrect. First of all, Stark bailed him out twice. That's it. He then had to give up his suit and fight his own battle in Homecoming. In FFH, he had to do everything on his own. He made his new suit (that only appeared to have taser webs and no AI). He didn't have many consequences yet, but it was all building up to it. Also, Peter has several flaws as a person. I have a diagram saved to my phone of things he went through in every movie showcasing his character growth. Each movie is about learning new lessons and he needs to develop along the way. They were never planning on having him be the next Iron Man. I'm not gonna claim that NWH was planned from the start. It wasn't. But his arc was always pointing to him becoming his own hero. He idolized Stark (as a kid in this world of heroes probably would), gets a fancy suit that he doesn't even use in any of his climactic battles, and people say he's basically Iron Man. Y'all just had to be patient. That's how interpreting a character differently works. You keep the same spirit (which he did), but you tell the story in a brand new way. His high school trilogy was his origin story and it took time for Peter Parker to go from being a boy to being a man. You can like and dislike any movie you want, but claiming he was ever gonna be Iron Man Jr. is just not right
Honestly having Spidey living in mcu is just so fun especially for the world building, like in their school their wall is filled with painting of successful mcu characters like Pym or Tony’s dad, in class they learned about sckovia accord in history, they have to be forced to watch some gym mandatory videos(relatable)with Cap in it, hell their principal’s grandpa used to work with Cap
Lmao yeah, that kinda world building, of this stuff having such a clear effect on the world and not held at arms length is the kinda world building I always wanted in a superhero world
This is probably one of the best videos I've seen on RUclips and in relation to these movies, you perfectly described my feelings for the Home trilogy and because (for me at least) it does a very good job establishing a teenager in a universe full of others heroes and watching him slowly become his own hero, that's Spider-Man for me.
This hits harder starting university, and the uncertainty life has afforded me in not knowing what exactly the future holds for me and what will come out of this journey. I think that is why no way home hits so close to home. I understand the struggles of becoming an adult, and not knowing how it will go gone is the comfort we once had to lie back on now; we must carve our own path and voyage to where we have never gone before. To become who we were so-called meant to be.
How fitting that MCU Spider-Man parallels the original comics Spider-Man in the fact prior to his introduction, all superheroes were adults and the teens were sidekicks. This video really encapsulates what makes this version special.
You're the only one making Spider-Man vids worth listening to, because you get underneath the surface at what Spider-Man is really about outside of the surface level details. So many fans, MCU haters in particular, just seem to see Spider-Man as a set of shitty circumstances that must be adhered to to be "true" Spider-Man. The character is so much more than just a perpetually down on his luck guy. I wish more fans could see a story doesn't need a broke and depressed Peter to be "real" Spider-Man.
The thing is, a broke and depressed peter is what makes him relatable, i still like toms interpretation but i still understand why many people don't find his Peter Parker appealing
@@Ibs69420 broke and depressed isn't all doom and gloom especially for Peter, it's just as important to make sure he's optimistic and some things go his way as it is to keep his challenges hard, because that's sorta what makes him grounded, makes him feel like someone we know instead of a character in a melodrama
@@noname-hf9ty the philosophy of Peter Parker, is that no matter which choices he makes there will always be a consequence, but he decides to keep being spider man since that is what uncle ben would've wanted
@@noname-hf9ty in this trilogy we literally see barely any consequences, until the final movie, its almost as if the first 2 in the trilogy were like Disney movies, people go to watch spider man to see spider man movies, not Disney movies
as someone who has been in highschool when the first two movies came out and is just now in uni... idk i felt the heaviness of peter's life changing so much
This is easily the best trilogy the MCU has made. I love how the movies even though it wasn't exactly planned to end up where it ends, it feels to me at least very natural and really show how Peter evolves
Tobey and Andrew did great but I’ve been reading Spider-Man for years and Tom’s execution of a younger less experienced Peter Parker is as close to the 616 Peter Parker that we’ll probably ever get in live action.
It’s weird for all these people to not expect marvel and feige to know Spider-Man beyond raimis college Peter interpretation. he’s a hero with great stories of growth in all eras of his life from a boy to a young adult and finally to a man. And I think if you had the guarantee (which marvel does) to tell the full story over multiple movies then of course they’re gonna do that.
@@Ibs69420 You are right but you are ignoring that one of the main arguments against mcu spiderman is that he doesn’t feel like the true spiderman because he doesn’t get screwed over all the time. The more toxic Raimi fans, who are very vocal and loud when it comes to this topic, have kind of fixated the conversation on that point, as the films by themselves really doesn’t deserve the criticisms they get so it is a legitimate and for this discussion important thing to point out.
@@72bobin it's not the fact that he dosent get screwed all time, although that's one reason, it's because he acts more like miles Morales in terms of his personality (anxious)kid and goals( fan boy who wants to impress avengers while living under Spiderman/Ironmans shadow) Tobey wasn't the one either. Although he got some things right.
@@Owen-sx4jj That point is weak to me, specially in the mcu where characters are usually merged in terms of history and personality. Also has to be taken into account that tom holland is an teenager in the avengers world while toby was a young adult in a world where he was the only superhero. Of course he is gonna act more childish and try to look up to the other avengers, it would be ridiculous if he didn’t.
@@72bobin well that's the problem isn't it. Characters have roles in the mcu Tony (scientist) Dr strange (magic) black widow (assassin). MCU Spiderman is just the relatable kid who just happens to be wearing a Spiderman suit and fits well into Till recently.that replaced much of what he stood for. He embodies a fraction of comic parker he dosent come as close as the other two in comic accuracy.
And this video encompasses why not only is Spiderman my favorite character, but also why the MCU Spiderman trilogy, if it wasn't for the Gaurdians, would be my favorite trilogy in the MCU.
Tom Holland’s Spider-Man is by far the most comic accurate Spider-Man idgaf anymore. This is the only trilogy that’ll keep me rewatching and enjoying every scene. The first film depicts more on how Peter needs to prove himself worthy of such technology. The second film explores more on his spidey sense into deeper depths. The third film implies that peter has grown and matured thus making the greater sacrifices. The MCU’s Spider-Man trilogy is finally complete.
I like how the titles of the movies, if projected at peter, reverse the journey he as a character has. He starts with no way to get to himself, ends up lost somewhere he isn't and then finally finds the way to being himself. He comes home. Just a neat detail, especially since he basically reverses anyone knowing about him.
All the complaints about these movies bothered me I feel like so many people didn’t understand what these movies were going for and why it works perfectly for Peter Parker
It's nice to see these films so expertly defended. These are truly good films and good portrayals of Spider-Man. And it is a breath of fresh air to see someone say it.
This is the only video I'm accepting as tribute to MCU Spider-Man. Spoke to me, when necessary. I never thought Spider-Man would actually be my model. Thanks.
My mother and brother hate the MCU Peter Parker. Because they had Andrew and Toby. They hate how MCU Peter is “too childish” and “annoying, always geeking out”. Y e a h. So would you if literally superheroes existed and your favorite ones wanted you on THEIR team. Much less-you now have powers and are in HIGH SCHOOL. Most high schoolers aren’t dark and brooding like Andrew/Tobey. They like memes, make lame jokes, and geek out over nerdy shit. While being completely socially awkward and trying to figure themselves out. MCU Peter Parker is real for the 21st century. Thankfully-me and my dad like MCU Parker so we can geek out over how well the writers made him.
I’ve been loving your analysis of this trilogy. I lot of people allow their misconceptions of who or what Spider-Man should be to ruin their enjoyment of new storytelling. MCU Peter Parker has a lot of depth, maybe even more depth than Tobey or Andrew had in their movies. The Home Trilogy has a lot of nuance that people miss because they’d rather complain about the technology or small side characters like Tony Stark or Doctor Strange. MCU Peter Parker definitely has had the best character arc and we’re only halfway through his story.
Such a great and well done essay that fully explains everything I love about MCU Spidey. My favorite thing about MCU Spider-Man is that he feels human. Even with the fantastical issues he goes through that we will never experience, his reactions to his problems and his day to day life is the most realistic and relatable of all of the live action Spider men. A lot of the criticisms I saw towards NWH specifically seemed to be based in this idea that Peter should be perfect, that he should have thought of the right solution of just calling MIT immediately and not gone to Strange at all, but that's such an unrealistic expectation to put on an anxious and uncertain teen that is having to navigate an entirely new aspect of his life with his identity being revealed. Not to mention, a lot of his motivations weren't even for himself, but for his friends. When he does talk to the MIT woman, he doesn't advocate for himself at all, only for Ned and MJ. Even when she says she'll talk to admissions about him, he tries to tell her that this isn't about him. Even when he makes the wrong choice, he still does what he can to be selfless and to help the people he cares about. He feels human: flawed and uncertain, but still trying to do his best.
I wonder if HiTop ever watches your vids, cause they're so absolutely amazing with analysis, history, and character that even if he were to still walk away still hating the mcu spiderman, he would at least have to admit that it's because of his own preference to Raimi and not because of literally any short comings on Watts and Marvels end regarding understanding of the character. You made me love Spiderman again, thank you
Can I say that I love you? I feel the same this guy understands the complexity of MCU Spider-Man, HiTop doesn't get this is because his ideal Spidey is someone who is struggling with money problems Also he's a blind raimi fanboy I enjoy the Raimi, Webb and Home Movies, each actor for Spider-Man does such a excellent job
MCU Spider-Man always felt like... well my Spider-Man. In a way both the others fail to, Toby's feels like that cool hero you want to be like but know you can't, Andrew's is a character of tragedy, a martyr to a message. Tom's is just a kid trying to be the best he can even in a world telling him he can't. A world telling him that his best isn't enough. Now that, that's Spider-Man. It might be projection on my part, probably is, but that really resonated with the way I've grown up having adhd.
I grew up with this trilogy. A lot of people don’t recognize why or how I love far from home so much, *cough* hitop films discord server *cough* but it perfectly captures all the insecurities and anxieties I had. I hated the idea that Spider-Man needs to be another morally correct Superman style character truthfully, and while I understand the appeal of those films, the Spider-Man home trilogy holds that special place in my heart for its relatability. In a world where so many creators seem to hate this new MCU spidey, I think your content is a breath of fresh air.it’s not that youre different to look cool, you genuinely understand the character and it’s appeal, and I think that’s more than a browntable can really say
I mean Peter is morally correct except for when he tries to kill Green Goblin. However, even after Tobey was stabbed, he chooses to do the right thing and cure Norman.
Jon Watts did the impossible and actually made a good third spider Man film with multiple villains. I can't wait to see how he does on F4 And I can't wait to see who Marvel and Sony will pick to handle the College Triology (I'm hoping for Drew Goddard)
I want a whole new crew for the College trilogy. Not a an entirely new cast but a new crew. N I want them to all be amazing at what they do especially the cgi guy. I need Spider-Man to look less rubbery and bendy this time around. I need him to look real
Even though Tobey Maguire is still my personal all-time favorite/favorite live-action Peter Parker/Spider-Man, the Tom Holland run in the Marvel Cinematic Universe are some of the most underappreciated and underrated Spidey films I've ever seen. The whole "Iron Man Jr" complaint ALWAYS annoyed the hell out of me. I couldn't disagree anymore with that garbage notion. Not everything needs to be straight-up "traditional" about Spider-Man. These movies surprised me in ways I didn't expect. I thoroughly enjoyed Homecoming, I really liked Far From Home & I LOVE No Way Home. The fact that this trilogy, along with his appearances in Captain America: Civil War and the end of the Infinity Saga, was the origin story for MCU Spider-Man is pretty ballsy. The ending of NWH, along with the final web-swing and the reveal of the Classic Suit, makes me happy and intrigued to see what is next for Tom Holland's Spider-Man in the MCU, especially with the announcement of a new trilogy of films with Peter in College (or I'm calling it as the "College Trilogy"), having new adventures and new responsibilities.
Best breakdown of what makes Spider-Man such a relatable character for people as they grow up - no matter how old you actually are. The Home trilogy happened to release at a pivotal point in time for a couple generations, I think, which makes it even more poignant.
I love your Spider-Man videos! It's so wholesome to see somebody really appreciate all the beauty in the Watts trilogy. Also _Far From Home_ is criminally underrated!
I think it’s weird how much it seems like the internet (Twitter, RUclips, and some Subreddits) hate Tom Holland’s Spider-Man… but everywhere else he’s absolutely loved. I think the internet makes it seem like his movies are disliked but in reality, tons and tons of people love him
I agree with everything you have said all this “ IRON bOy JUiNOR “ crap. Not everyone spider man has to be the same at least Peter LEARNS responsibility and grows as a character at first he was a goofy Hero to a developing character to a grown and mature hero making sacrifices ( everyone forgets That he’s spider man and he’s all on his own so I hope everyone’s happy ) all the spider mans are great in their own way and seeing them work together still feels unreal
I Love how in homecoming he has problems as peter parker but sees spider man as the solution in far from home he just wants to be peter parker for his vacation and in no way home he is forced to accept that he is both
Although I’m not the biggest fan of MCU Spider-Man, I can appreciate the journey he goes through now, and the way his journey ends in No way home, I think what some people don’t realise is that this is a new take on Spider-Man, it might not be as deep as the Rani films or the Andrew Garfield movies (which are my personal favourites) but after seeing No way home I can appreciate MCU Spidey’s journey a lot more
This is why I love the MCU Spider-Man and Enter the Multiverse Miles Morales. Both are very capable but filled with self doubt. They are flawed. It's weird but the character of Spider-Man is interesting cause he's us, if any normal person were thrust into the same situation, we would go through the same emotions, same dilemma. MCU Spider-Man gets a leg up in my book cause it's the MCU and that's something I've wanted since I was 6 years old.
As a person who didn't grow up with old spiderman films and doesn't have the nostalgia. I didn't try to fit Tom Holland spiderman into the comic spidermans. And I absolutely loved his movies, everything was perfect, the movie was very good. So I'm always irritated when people hate on the movie because of nostalgia.
I'm more of a cartoon guy than live action, so Raimi's not a big deal for me. They have no problem Raimi tweaked compared with original comics but cannot accept tone, narrative, and theme changes of MCU's version. bunch of hypocrites.
Like a sign of God, I was recommended this video! On social media I get bullied and laughed at for my love of Spider-Man's MCU trilogy. Me as a teen myself, always placed myself in Peter's shoes throughout his journey, how he is so far from perfect and grows through every movie. I don't care for hate anymore and if I ever had doubts, I will never again, MCU Spider-Man is the best and his trilogy is the best in the MCU! I needed this video so much! Thank you for showing me I'm not the only one that loves MCU Spider-Man!
I’m not a big Marvel fan, like at all. But I’ve watched the Spider Man films since the Raimi trilogy and I’ve got to say they CRUSHED the Home trilogy. And seeing the three Spider-Man’s together in No Way Home was such a delight. I thought they did a fantastic job 👍 I’ve got no qualms.
@@thejenkinsfamily7179 well said both of you @onionshrekgirlfeet and @The Jenkins Family. Peter's arc throughout his three Spider-Man Movies in the MCU was super compelling and taught me to be a better person.
Homecoming and Far From Home are great movies, and the Spider-Man fandom really doesn’t understand this version of the character. This fanbase has become so petty and picky with this version of the character all because he’s different, and that’s pretty much the only valid reason as to why tons of fans hate these movies. It’s because they’re different from the ones they grew up with. I like Tobey’s Spider-Man overall, but it boggles my mind that fans treat a superhero, who simps for an unlikeable female character and becomes an ignorant, sadistic moron (before he gets the Symbiote) in the third movie, like Jesus. And then they treat a superhero, who wanted to be as amazing (not for attention but for success; he doesn’t want to be a suckish superhero) as not just Iron Man but the other superheroes in the MCU, like Satan. MCU Spider-Man not looking up to those heroes and not being eager to help out in big and small ways would be incredibly disingenuous to the character.
Maybe Tobey fans saw him as different because they don't read they just follow what raimi has set up but most people didn't like him because he is miles Morales and wouldn't dare call iron man metal head less he gets spanked. He was too soft and too much of a fan boy not knowing his worth compared to the comics although idk if he would take a slap in the face just like Tobey did all the time.
@@Owen-sx4jj If most people didn’t like MCU Spider-Man, then the Rotten Tomatoes critic and audience scores for his movies wouldn’t be so high, and Far From Home before No Way Home existed wouldn’t have become the highest grossing Spider-Man movie of all time.
@@supersaiyanfox9190 you don't like something because everyone else does.theres this sheep mentality when it comes to Spiderman especially with Tobey stans. Anyway your point has nothing to do with the character and how well they know them rather,its about how good the movie itself was. Don't care about rotten... or audience score
@@mrrobluxo2369 I don’t even know why Far From Home is hated by dumb, toxic fans. The stakes with Mysterio are higher than with Vulture, because Vulture never attempted to kill Peter’s loved ones (he threatened but never attempted) while Mysterio did. The Mysterio illusions are cool and crazy, the final battle is pretty satisfying, and Peter gets a huge consequence of Mysterio framing him as the bad guy and revealing his identity to the world. The Spider-Man fandom’s stupidity is beyond insufferable. They must have been dropped on their heads as babies.
I'm always just in awe of your analysis of the MCU Spider-Man. Just fantastic. I've come to realize that people that dislike the Home Trilogy are comparing this iteration to the other films and not the source material. You've showcased that wonderfully with your knowledge of the comics. I'll have to re-watch all three films back to back once I can. Thanks for the great content.
This is my favourite Spider-Man trilogy. I love amazing Spider-Man, with Andrew probably being my favourite actor to portray him, but this is the first set of films i was around to watch as they came out. I watched this journey and enjoyed every moment. I took the good with the bad, and all I can say is thank you to everyone who made these films a part of my life.
@@tobsonasanya4765 well yes. The raimey (idk how 2 spell his name) trilogy was the too Hammy and the amazing Spider-Man films, a- wherent a trilogy, and b- had a large selection of their own problems. On top of that, y tf do u care what my favourite is? I mean favouritism is literally just preference…
I’m so glad this video exists, because you really get Peter Parker and Spiderman. These movies are so well done and the themes they explore are classic Spiderman. His anger, self-doubt, immaturity, making the wrong decisions and being forced to learn from his mistakes. I feel like people misunderstand this trilogy when comparing it to Raimi’s. Raimi’s Spiderman had no distinction from high school to college and I think MCU Spiderman really showcases that there needs to be a transformation during these stages. He must learn and grow and shed his doubt and truly become SpiderMAN. Thanks for this video, it was amazing and I love when people care about Spiderman as much as I do lol
I was the same age as Tom Holland’s Spiderman when civil war came out and I was so excited to grow up with him. People hate on his Spiderman because for most of his movies he’s just a happy go lucky kid but that’s super important to me. You get to see Peter grow and learn and become a hero.
I always look forward to your analyses! I was waiting for your piece on the Spider-Man Home trilogy to pop up since the movie came out. Thank you for your hard work!
I don't know what I respect more: your insightful, caring look at the structure and themes of these films, or the fact that you're the only film critic to recognize Xander Corvus' role as Spidey. you know, it wasn't a bad one.
Tom holland will always be my favourite spider-man by the way I love the way you use the music in this video this adds more emotion in your video this is rare keep it up I am subbing you.
Rewatching far from home 2 years after I graduated high school, the movie becomes a young adult getting constant calls from his boss about work despite being on his paid vacation
A lot of people didn't like the MCU version of spider-man thinking that it wasn't comic accurate, while in reality they didn't like it because it wasn't Raimi accurate, because of how big of an impact Raimi had on them.
No it’s both . This Spider-Man isn’t comic accurate AT all . And anyone who tries to say he is Doesn’t understand the character of Spider-Man AS well as never read a Spider-Man comic
Mcu spidey isn't really comic accurate. But comic accurate doesn't make it bad. But believe what you want. Op is heavily based towards the mcu. Start reading first comic you'll see imediately.
@Emo Gamer R bro Are you sure you're in the right comment section? None of what you said is related to being comic accurate or not. Also, go and watch the final fight in FFH again and look who's the one fighting all the drones and mysterio, was the suit swinging around destroying drones? Did the suit use spider sense to fight Mysterio's illusions?
@Emo Gamer R that's also kinda my point, most people look at what the Raimi trilogy and tasm did and put them as an example to what spider-man is supposed to be, when in reality, Peter in the comics was just an ordinary guy trying to do the right thing, Raimi made peter a guy who has the whole world go against him, he made the villains have personal connections with peter, he basically alivated the good things from the comics and made the story more effective. But just because it's better doesn't mean it is comic accurate or it is what spiderman should be. But that's what most people think, and just because that's what most people think doesn't mean it's the right thing.
Homecoming: the dream of being like your idols & learning it’s ok to be yourself
Far from home: letting go of that idol and discovering who you can be
No way home: becoming who you are truly meant to be & doing the best you can at it
FFH was ass, sad that it couldnt have been like homecoming and now nwh
You know, that reminds me of another MCU character's trilogy progression- Thor. (His 'idol' was his self concept as being a god.)
Well said!!!
@@pkj7116 cry somewhere else mediocre TASM fanboy.
@@morbiuscrystal4875 bruh how does that make him a tasm fanboy? I love mcu spider-man but I really hate ffh
this trilogy is all about self-doubt, peter doesnt know what he truly wants and doesnt believe in himself, and i think its incredible
Story wise No Way Home has more layer than Spiderverse. It's also theme of regret, atonement, and sacrifice.
Watt and team juggled so many elements in one film it risks to become suckest film of all time but they pulled it through, beautifully.
@@chengkuoklee5734 exactly. I feel like people don’t realize how great a feat the movie is. The fact that they juggled so much thematically, while creating a grand tale with nostalgia and a ridiculous amount of characters, all whilst being a sequel-continuation film, and they pulled it off.
@Daniel Aloysius Gumulyo It seems like that there are a lot of people that likes No Way Home and that Tobey and Andrew showed up. Everyone that I talk to enjoyed those moment
He proves himself to be a self-made hero
Yes! This trilogy has really connected with me on a personal level. As a young person I’m often full of self doubt and not knowing what I want. It feels good to see one of my favorite characters struggle as I do.
I feel like what a lot of people don’t get is that this peter was born in a world filled with super heroes unlike the other 2 where they were the only ones. How could you not look up and want to be like the avengers that you’ve seen saving the world. I feel like it makes sense that Tony would pick up some kid that’s swinging around the city and saving people to mentor him.
After rewatching all Ironman trilogy and Avengers, it makes sense Tony passed EDITH to Peter. He's very impulsive than teenager.
Oh most people don’t watch he movies and are hypocrites. They’ll cite the raimi trilogy and the game as “doing spider man right” (which they do) but in that very game Peter and miles have the EXACT same mentor mentee relationship that tony and Peter have. And miles and MCU Peter are the same age. Peter gives him his first web shooters. Teaches him how to swing. Gives him his first suit. He even goes on missions with him. And Peter was miles’ idol before he even got bit, he looked up to him. They even have those same conversations “hey Pete when are we gonna go on a mission together, miles you’re 15 focus on school” or something like that. SAME EXACT thing. And I don’t remember that being in the comics when miles was first created. People just like to complain about stuff, when listing why they dislike the movies they pretty much expose themself all the time. That’s why I just ignore people like hitop and everybody else. If you dislike MCU spiderman but love the game then I don’t need to hear anything further you a hypocrite
@@julian2238 exactly. Thats the problem. This story of Spider-Man in the MCU isnt the story of Peter Parker. Its Miles Morales. Almost everything is taken from Miles to the point they shouldve just had him instead of Peter
@@hwanniggles187
"They should've just had Miles instead of Peter"
The MCU Spidey hater's favorite strawman.
Seems that you completely forgot or blatantly ignore one important aspect about Miles as a character: Brian Michael Bendis wrote Miles as a contrast to Peter.
Peter Parker got bit by a spider and he went on to become a hero as Spider-Man. Miles also got bit... and he hid his powers from everyone for a year. When Peter wanted to be a hero, Miles never wanted to be one; he just want to live a normal life.
When the Peter Parker in his universe died, that caused him guilt. So with advice from Ganke, Miles took the mantle of Spider-Man.
You forgot that MCU Spidey took a lot of elements from Ultimate Spider-Man and you mentioned Miles most of the time. But Ultimate Peter/Spidey is younger, modern and prone to mistakes; that's what Tom's Spider-Man is based from.
The same fucking justification as to why the MCU SM sucks so much and still a very weak argument. Come up with something better.
I think the reason why I and so many ppl gravitated towards this version of Peter Parker despite not being the most overtly comic accurate is because he really is the quintessential Spider-Man of generation Z. Like Peter Parker in the mcu, many of us were born in a generation afforded with more opportunities due to ever changing technological fields. As a result older generations tend to force these opportunities and incredible expectations on us to the point where we don’t know what to do with them, and when we don’t know what to do with them we’re labeled “incompetent”, “lazy” and “too childish”. In the end we have no choice but to toss it all aside and figure out our own way. We end up with less opportunities than we started with and less people to “help” us through it, but while other generations would view that as a bad thing we view it as a good thing. Life can surprisingly be simpler when you’re allowed to navigate it at your own will, without the expectations weighing you down.
To be honest, Tom Holland Peter Parker is more comic accurate than Tobey's Peter Parker.
@@joaovitor9673 Andrew clears both tho..
(This is a joke, we can have opinions)
That might also explain why some older fans don’t like him, and prefer their nostalgic vision of the Maguire films.
@@joaovitor9673 I once heard a 62 year old comic fan said Home trilogy is closest to the early original comic essence. Character wise, Andrew's closest compared the two; Raimi's the least in all aspects.
They are all comic accurate in one way or another but the aspect they focus on defines the trilogy and tone of the series
One thing I noticed is that all of the 3 main villains in this trilogy (Vulture, Mysterio and Green Goblin) all use the colour green in their outfits. The last one is not being subtle about it as it is in the name of the character. However this is interesting as the word green can be used to describe someone that is inexperienced or naive in a certain field. Which makes sense as the MCU peter is the "youngest" and the newest of the live action spidermen. This is even brought up in Homecoming where people thought Tony was insane for bringing a 15 year old to a superhero vs superhero battle who's only experience of being a "hero" has been capturing petty crooks and helping old ladies. Which is why the lesson Tony learned in Iron Man 3 becomes one of the key lessons Peter has to learn. The suit doesn't make the hero. It is the person inside that does. Hence why Peter defeats Vulture in his self made sweatsuit. Peter takes this lesson but does misunderstand it with Far from Home. Where he doubts that he is a hero AND Tonys "successor" because of his own insecurities following his idols death. So he passes off that responsibility to Mysterio. Showcasing that once again Peter is inexperienced. He is green. Peter manages to gain the confidence in himself to confront his mistake and defeats Mysterio. However the illusionist has an ace in the hole. Now Peter is forced to live life where everyone knows who is truly. He is no longer protected by a secret identity. So he goes to Doctor Strange and ask him to cast a spell where everyone forgets that he is spiderman. While he claims this is for his friends, MJ and Ned. Deep down it is really for himself. Which is why he doesn't think it through. This leads to Peter asking for exceptions to be made mid spell. This is the catalyst for Far From Home and this is where Green Goblin comes in. To finally give the spider one last lesson. The guilt of loss. It takes the other two spidermen to help Peter overcome this. From Tobey's Peter losing Uncle Ben and later Harry because of his mistakes and Andrew's Peter losing Gwen because of his mistakes. The two experienced Peters help Tom's Peter overcome the guilt. But once again Tom's Peter takes it a bit too far and is ultimately consumed by rage. Going against the ideals that he and his Aunt May represent by trying to kill Norman. He is once again green.... inexperienced. You can't save everyone. But that does not mean that you shouldn't try to. Even if that person took someone or something away from you. In the end Peter has to make the sacrifice to undo the mess he caused. His actions has consequences and he doesn't have someone like Tony, Happy, Strange, nor the other Peters to protect him. Not this time.
One can say that the whole trilogy is designed to answer a simple question. What makes a hero a hero? Perseverance through adversity (Homecoming), Confidence in ones self (Far from Home) and finally forgiveness of others and yourself (No Way Home). But throughout all the trilogy are some key important things. Selflessness and humility. Taking responsibility and accepting the consequences of your actions. You cannot hide behind people forever.
May I add, it's not only about the consequences but also circumstances that beyond control. Shit happens even you do the right thing. You'll need to perseve to do the right thing.
Toby and Andrew aren't there for "great power great responsibility" instead to support Tom to persevere through all the uncontrollable circumstances & consequences.
Merisei Aunt May's "power responsibility" is more like Ratcatcher 2's "Love Bet" to take risk to do the right things.
In the ending is Spidey 2's Aunt May's "steady" and Tom took a "very steady" path even Doctor Strange amire.
For me, Dr Strange should share 60% burden of spell failure and Peters' the one who pays 300% to fix the mess. Something tells me this going to bite back Strange in Multiverse of Madness.
I thought I was the only one who noticed the detail in the villains and how this symbolizes their inexperience but at the same time their growth in the 3 movies, it's something so simple but so cool
I have to say that you really changed my outlook on the MCU's Spider-Man. At first Far From Home and it's lighter tone is what turned me off to the character, but your appreciation for the original comics run made me take a second look. I appreciate it more for it even if it's not my favorite.
I always had difficulties watching these films, because they grew up with me. I was a 14 year old kid about to start freshman year when Homecoming came out and I was going to be 15 during my own homecoming. I could feel that awkward feeling of wanting and that feeling of self imposed expectation.
I was a 17 year old going into a junior year when Far From Home came out. The world felt like it was changing... and it was. I felt that anxiety and longing for an escape.
I am in my first year of college now that No Way Home has been released. I remember that feeling that the world was against you, that feeling of panic in the pit of your stomach. I am starting my first steps into adult hood and it's scary and uncertain, I don't know what's going to happen and one mistake can ruin everything.
I always had problems with characters that were too similar to myself and I saw myself a lot in Peter Parker, but, after seeing No Way Home, I realize that maybe I needed someone to relate to.
Same I grew up with this version of Spider-Man; I’m currently a sophomore in college
And maybe one day you'll become Tobey & Andrew giving junior who suffers and doubtful a great hug and tell them : " it's ok, I got your back."
Oh my gosh YES I relate so hard to this. Homecoming for me was right after my freshman year of HS. Far From Home was just at the tail end of my junior year. And I saw No Way Home three semesters into college in the midst of a pandemic. Peter in Homecoming was in all the same kind of afterschool activities I was in, liked Lego Star Wars like I did, and just like me had difficulty and anxiety navigating certain social situations while feeling overextended. Far From Home reminded me a LOT of the shape of my friendships in that part of my teen years, plus the feeling of being out of place and underqualified in an adult world as I navigated my first paid job. And with No Way Home I felt a STRONG relatability with the way so many of my friendships from High School came to an end as I found a different place among people in college much more like me who helped/still help me emerge into adulthood... Deep 🙀
Bro same, I was in between freshman and sophomore year when Homecoming came out and had a weird moment when I realized Peter was the same age as me. Then I was 17 and about to be a senior when Far From Home came out, and a 19 year old sophomore in college when No Way Home dropped. These films weren’t my first exposure to Spider-Man, that would be the first two Raimi films and then the Webb films, but they are the films that made me love Spider-Man.
Same, although I was a little younger. 8th grade when Homecoming dropped, Sophmore year when Far From Home dropped, and Senior year with No Way Home
Homecoming is such a good movie, dont know why people dislike it
because people want the same movies every generation, and it’s annoying because that won’t happen so instead of appreciating the movie for what they are people only see the negatives because they can’t let the old movies go, even if those old movies might have been better
Homecoming is by far my fav Marvel movie. It's ok if people dont like it tho. That's what makes it so deceptively beautiful imo
Most of therm were simply blinded by the fact Peter didn't sow his own costume. Pretty ridiculous lol
I liked it😁
I wasn’t really a big fan of it because the action wasn’t great and I didn’t like how much tech he used in his suit. Thankfully the next 2 movies greatly improved in both those aspects
Hi-top films: this trilogy sucks
Implicitly pretentious: This trilogy is beautiful
@@givenchydufflebag Cry harder so he can hear you next time.
@@mafeuk that was funny
@@givenchydufflebag he said the same with Tasm then out of nowhere said he rewatched it and likes it now, his tobey bias and wanting a copy pasta is holding him back from giving relevant criticism. His worst take is saying Tom wasn’t relatable (yeah because a self doubting awkward teen who wants nothing more than to just have a good time with his friends and be with the girl he desires is definitely not relatable) and that Spider-Man (trying to find escapism from his superhero life) isn’t Spider-Man 🤦🏽♂️
@@Just_abigheadnoob fr, i remember he said he wasnt relatable because he dosent have "money problems". Toms peter is only 14-16 living with aunt may, why would he have money problems 😭😭
@@givenchydufflebag I honestly can't stand hitop, self entitled and annoying as hell
you’re one of the few creators on this platform that truly understands who peter parker/spider-man really is, thank you for these amazingly written intellectual videos that really delves into who he is to his core.
He literally twists the source material to fit his own wildly inaccurate interpretation
@@TolietWater didn't know we were talking about hitop films.
@@TolietWater No he just accepts what the source material is and looks at the films by comparison. You don't have to agree with him but he isn't wrong with his interpretation.
@@isomericgamer6644 HAHAHAHA
@Alexander Shelby consider it your comment.
Spider-Man home trilogy is his origin story
Homecoming: hero without suit
Far from home: spidey sense aka Peter tingle
No way home: with great power comes with great responsibility
Perfect!!!! 🙏🏽💪
Well said. The whole trilogy is exploring the different aspects of what this great responsibility is
You're being to forgiving to a mediocre set up
@Toad Is Forgotten yeah it is. As Peter matures he learns the different aspects of being a hero and stop doubting himself as he matures into his own
@Toad Is Forgotten I mean even though you understand the initial lesson doesn’t mean. You understand the consequences or what being a hero is:
616 Peter Parker was a dick, and that went on long after the mugger got turned in. His immediate response after Ben was killed? Keep on going with the show business until Jameson starts going after him. His first couple saves are at least in part about His Good Name, whether saving Jameson’s son with the idea that it would get him on the old man’s good side, or going after the Chameleon for impersonating him, and even once he starts going after criminals on a consistent basis it’s initially only for photography money. He takes stupid chances. He’s desperate for cash. He insults and attacks undeserving people. He fakes pictures of Sandman and Electro with the flimsiest of moral justifications. He’s got a chip on his shoulder the size of Queens and can barely begin to control his temper. He’ll lash out at people on suspicion or anger alone, and in some early stories he just plain gave up or ran away until he learned his lesson or circumstances changed.
Ultimate Peter was just as cocky and head strong until circumstances like Kingpin rushed in and unmasking him and he learned how to use his head or events like Venom.
TASM Peter was told the responsibility lesson, and was hunting uncle Ben’s killer until the Lizard came along, Captain Stacy’s speech with him in the dinner and the bridge scene.
MCU Spidey is like that: learning the ropes of being a hero and what the costs of being a hero truly entails and how to become a self assured hero
Tobey Maguire movies are about the essence of heroism, a deep character study of the spidey mythos
Andrew Garfield is about how the spiderman connects to people, relationships and the burdens they carry
Tom Holland does exactly what the director intended. Turn down the notch to spiderman/Peter simply surviving through highschool and tries to build a compelling origin story with respect to it.
Very true but I also think No Way Home had him contend with his own inner darkness which this Peter hadn't had a chance to do yet.
This was my first exposure to Spider-Man so this trilogy has a special place in my heart. I loved seeing Peter go from a young teen to a grown man who has to rely on his own resources to help others.
Same this was the first Spidey movie I saw in theaters so it’ll always be nostalgic to me
Even though this wasn’t my first exposure to Spider-Man this trilogy is close to my heart because 1 when homecoming and far from home came out I was around the same age as Peter 2 is that this Spider-Man garnered an emotional reaction from me that the others haven’t ( no hate to them tho I love them) and lastly it’s just fun.
I’ve been around long enough to have watched *every* Spider-Man movie in theaters since 2002.
And I’m glad that you guys love the trilogy.
I also have a weird connection with the three Peters.
Tobey: Spider-Man I grew up with.
Andrew: Spider-Man I grew alongside (I graduated from high school when TASM 2 was released).
Tom: Spider-Man whose actor is the same age as me.
Very nice to see new people discovering spider man. I started reading my brother old comic books when i was 8.
Spider man is my favorite hero to this day.
@@JohnSmith-lt1ck I have a somewhat familiar connection
Tobey was the one that u heard about from older people like a legend
Andrew was the one i grew up with
And Tom was the one who continued the amazing journeys.
I love the “Home” trilogy to the point where it is my favorite high school Spider-Man story arc. I have said this many times before but Spider-Man’s arc in this home trilogy was about a boy becoming a man and learning all the tough choices you have to make as a hero. Peter learned a lot fighting his greatest enemy which was himself. His arc up until this point was Peter going from a young eager kid to a independent hero to finally a responsible and mature man and if that doesn’t scream Spider-Man I don’t know what else is. For the future I would like to see Peter mentor others for a change to show just how much the man grew and honestly I wouldn’t mind the Ultimate Spider-Man death be adapted here and Miles taking over. So many possibilities for our friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.
I don't think MCU needs to kill Peter so Miles can take over. He can chose to retire and start up a company like in the modern comic Parker Industry. He chose to start a corporation to uphold corporate social responsibility that other corporation neglected to help out "little people".
It will be fun if he forms a company with Scott Lang & 3 Wombats, giving underprivileges 2nd chance to people like ex-convicts, ex-villains, aliens, mutants, and other minorities. Then he found Spider sense is useless against corporate viciousness; he can't punch his way out with Spider strength and can't wrap problems up with web.
They should make a series like WandaVision, Falcon & Winter Soldier, Hawkeye etc. When Peter is down, Luis brought him out for fine wine tasting, gives him art gallery tickets so he could take a break with MJ; Shang Chi & Katy pull him to karaoke, and maybe Miles asks him a swing in New York. You know, all those heart warming non-super hero stuffs.
@@chengkuoklee5734 I agree, I’m honestly tired of the whole “Peter needs to be killed so miles can take the mantle”, like that was just 1 story from the ultimate universe, that doesn’t reflect other universes to follow, heck insomiacs version they kept Peter alive which I’m thankful for.
@@shantaehalf-geniehero4318 And in the Marvel Spider-man and Miles Morales games, Miles becomes his own Spider-man and Peter is still alive
Why break Michelle Jones's heart just so a wannabe Spider-Man can take over?
@@ericstorm6582 I don't think she would be heartbroken she doesn't even remember they were together lol
This trilogy has been such a joy. We watch this Peter grow up and figure out what it means and what it takes to be Spider-man. He doesn't get bit, loses Uncle Ben, then *BAM* he's in his prime. There's a learning curve, and it takes time to figure these things out. I have had previous issues with Peter only being (at most) 6 months into his career when Tony recruited him, and I've had thoughts about an alternate take where Peter is introduced while being in College and being active as Spider-man for about 2 years. But now that I've seen the trilogy in it's full, watching this multi-movie character arc reach a completion, this was the only way they could have done it.
This version of Peter makes the most sense as being someone who's grown up in a world of superheroes who are admired and seen as celebrities. His youthful perspective makes sense, his integration into the MCU makes sense, and his growth makes sense. It also justifies other aspects of the character, like Jameson. Having the Mysterio fiasco be the thing that made the Daily Bugle grow makes Jameson focusing so heavily on Spider-man and calling him a menace when Superheroes are usually accepted and lifted up (e.g Rogers: the Musical, Statue of Liberty renovation, Iron Man tributes, etc). It wouldn't have made sense for Jameson to focus on a low-level vigilante at the start of his career because vigilante's and superheroes are more common, make sense. The controversy surrounding Spider-man after FFH gives Jameson targeting him some sense of rationality right off the bat.
And killing Aunt May with her reaffirming the lesson on Power and Responsibility gives it’s own weight to the death. While her character hasn’t been utilized much in the first two movies, the time we’ve had with her makes the death feel different. We’ve seen so much more of her interacting with Peter than Ben did, she’s become her own character as opposed to an immediate plot device who everyone already knows will die. And her death was so real, watching her fade away, not fully processing that she was dying was heartbreaking.
All of this!!
I cried in that scene
when he said it's just you and me- I was like "what is this movie DOING?!" in a loving-it way
Yeah and then Peter just can't accept that she's dying, fucking tragic
It's just frustrating when people criticizes Andrew's Spidey decisions, when Tom's Spidey did the exact same bad decisions in his movies.
The hate towards this version of the character cames out of Andrew fans (like me) frustrated about how people just shit on that version of the character for being HUMAN, make wrong decisions, like a HUMAN.
Like I said, it's frustrating.
People just needs to chill out and appreciate each character pros, and criticize the flaws of ALL OF THEM without exception.
i love this trilogy and your interpretation of Peter Parker. MCU Spidey was my first Spider-Man and i loved kinda growing up with him as i am teenager myself. His self-doubt, overthinking and uncertainty are very relatable and maybe this will sound stupid but i love these movies, because i've found some life lessons for myself in them. And all your spider-man essays point them so well, so i just want to thank you for making these
MCU Spidey may be reinterpreted readapt but we need to give credit it was built on solid foundation of realism.
I feel the same way! I was the same age as Peter was in Hoco when it came out so it’s felt like I’ve been growing up with him. It’s been pretty cool and reassuring watching MCU Peter going through similar emotions and stages in life at the same time as me.
In my personal opinion Far From Home and No Way Home are two parts of the same story and I am just going to say it Defoe was a much better Green Goblin in the MCU than in the Raimi trilogy
hell yeah he was. he even killed an important character other than himself
Goblin was much better in this, mostly for the reason that he actually had some motives aside from just being crazy and a killer, although they still didn't completely change the character which I loved
@@SpencerHansen2025 raimi trilogy is my least favorite, but just tbf goblin had clear motives in SM1. even tho his actions after the first fight and before the lats fight kind of contradict with them
@@barisbal7782 Here we go again? lol
@@SpencerHansen2025 He still had the same motives lol
I had no idea "Far From Home" was hated, I really enjoyed it.
Yeh there's a bunch that makes a lot of noise online. Well there's also a bunch that hates one of my absolute favourites - Ragnarok, I was shocked when I found out. I was like "do people hate fun now? What's happening to this world?". But generally these are well liked movies as evident from their ratings on every major movie rating site and box office returns.
Because people think they are tough hating on popular things
Easily my favorite Spidey trilogy, you can argue that Spider-Man 1 & 2 are better than every movie in the Home trilogy yet I’d say the Raimi trilogy had a weak finisher unlike the Home trilogy
I'd argue they're just as good as eachother. I honestly like Spider-Man 3 more than the other two.
@@littleredruri That’s fair, both trilogies are very good
@@littleredruri well Idk If this will make sense, but out of the raimi films spiderman 3 was my favorite. But I do think spiderman 2 was the best well made
Imagine Trilogy as banquet. You have appetizer, main courses, then ended with dessert.
Raimi's problem was due to restaurant owner interference, he couldn't provide the remaining main course dishes and desserts he envisioned. So the banquet experience was ruined.
The Dark Knight accidently created the best first main course dish. This pose a problem, it makes the other dish behind it pale in comparison but the chef saved the day with satisfying dessert.
The MCU Spidey trilogy definitely improves from each film to the next, which I appreciate. But there’s just something to be said for how Raimi starts so well right out of the gate. Spider-Man is a great film simply on its own, even if you don’t include the other two. Conversely, the MCU trilogy needs its other parts to truly be a complete story. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but it’s also something that limits each film’s potential.
People complain about how Far from Home Peter doesn't want to save people in Europe vacation and acts selfish, they forget this movie starts right after Endgame, so Peter has been dead for five years, now he realized how life is fragile and how he has to enjoy his life, damn even Cap became selfish as he settled with Peggy in the end.
Peter wants to be a hero, but he doesn’t believe that he’s qualified to be one of the big heroes like Iron Man and the main Avengers. I can’t blame his dilemma though because of not only everything that happened to him in Infinity War and Endgame, but also his role in those movies. Peter wasn’t really a big player at all. He was just support, and if it wasn’t for his Iron Spider suit, he would’ve easily been folded. MCU Spider-Man, up until the final battle in Far From Home, is weak, but that was intentional because this version of the character is an underdog.
Despite the film not directly adapting the “Spider-Man No More” comic storyline, Far From Home is more accurate, faithful, and true to the essence of that comic than Spider-Man 2. The reason being why Peter quits. In Spider-Man 2, Peter quits for selfish reasons (he wants to be with Mary Jane; Raimi stans/MCU haters are hypocrites), and life actually gets better for him (no dire consequences). In Far From Home, Peter “quits” (as in gives up the responsibility of using the EDITH glasses and becoming a superhero like Iron Man to Mysterio) because of self-doubt. He believes that people putting their faith in an inexperienced teenager is irresponsible. So he “quits” because he believes it’s the responsible choice. But it actually led to dire consequences, just like in the comics after Peter quits (the Kingpin gets introduced in the comics). Mysterio is actually a villain, and Peter gave a villain more power. Peter puts his friends in danger, he gets framed and exposed by Mysterio, and then he loses it all in No Way Home.
@@supersaiyanfox9190What I've been saying all along. Also, after No Way Home, Mysterio's legacy still lives on in the eyes and minds of the people. Strange's spell only erased Peter from existence, so Mysterio's "heroic" actions still linger on. He is still the greatest enemy Peter has ever faced, even in death because of his speech in Far from Home. Far from home is far more impact on no way home than people realize. It also makes no way home better, heightening the reputation of itself in the process. No Spider-Man film has ever had the audacity or the courage to reveal his secret identity to the world. It's never been done in the history of the films. It's an ambitious move, it paid off tremendously and Tom Holland has officially become the hero that the city deserves. He has stripped himself of Stark tech, Avengers connections and his friends. He has now become the character that fans will recognize from the classic comics and animated shows. This is what I hoped they would do, as I like to consider this The Young Peter Parker trilogy. The next one could be called the college trilogy.
Babe wake up, new Spider-Man video by Implicitly Pretentious just dropped
all of this. I grew up with the Raimi and USM/JMS run, The MCU did well in showing High School era Peter maturing and coming to his own as Spider-Man and standing on his own. They made it feel natural he becomes a more self assured hero. It felt comic accurate and delved in elements of Peter, in a new and refreshing way. Spider-Man isn’t something he figured out overnight. It’s a consistent growth
This trilogy is amazing. In Civil War He literally starts his journey as a kid with homemade mask and hoodie trying to help people in his neighborhood and looking up to Avengers. His biggest idol, Tony Stark, notices him, gives him tech and resources and lets him fight along Avengers.
In Homecoming, he tries to become a new Iron Man and even has a chance to join Avengers, but at the end he declines the offer, because he realizes he is destinated to work by himself helping people in his neighborhood.
In Infinity War he is a teenager, but still joins Avengers to fight an alien on other planet, which eventually makes him disappear for 5 years.
In Endgame, he wins with Thanos but loses his mentor and idol, Tony Stark, who gives him access to all of his tech.
In FFH he fells the pressure of public to become the next Iron Man, someone he didn't become in Homecoming. He wants to chill on a school trip, but the responsibility of being Spider-Man outweighs his needs. At the end, Peter learns that he isn't a suitable person to have access to such advanced tech. He starts dating MJ and has a first normal week in his life since the spider bite.
In NWH it's all trashed, everyone on the Earth knows that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. His friends suffer because of that, so he makes and impulsive and irresponsible decision to cast a spell, so that everyone would forget he is Spider-Man. Spell didn't work out and now villains from other dimensions want to kill him and instead of sending them back, he realizes that responsibility of being Spider-Man is to help others. Because of his decision, Green Goblin kills Aunt May. He's on the verge of giving up as a hero and is going to kill Green Goblin, but other Spider-Men remind him, that it is not what heroes do. Peter realizes to save the world, he has to make entire universe forget who he is. And he does it.
Now he is left with nothing and no one. Once a kid that got blessed with tech and resources that blindly was trying to become a new Iron Man, he lost everything he had and started a new life as a grown, responsible man. He was the most famous man in the world, now no one knows him. He now lives in a dorm room, like Sam Raimi's Spider-Man did.
Such a tragic character. I'm curious if Marvel will continue his story.
@Toad Is Forgotten llol
Why does this only have 13 likes bro
This is why i dont listen to haters because people who making Home movies knew what they doing and where they were going
I love how they never forget to adress teenager issues whilst he's fighting villains with his superpowers. The movies are about a kid growing up and learning life lessons and they never lose focus. It's why these movies are better than the others because here, the superhero stuff is not the main focus of his identity. It isn't the whole reason of his struggles and that is beautifully written because it deals a lot more with Peter Parker himself. It's why everyone can relate despite it being a superhero movie.
Homecoming : An avengers fanboy.
Far From Home : Trying to deal with the responsibility.
No Way Home : Pays the price for trying to do the right thing.
Honestly, I loved this trilogy a lot. Never gonna forget seeing No Way Home in IMAX too.
People don't like the Home trilogy because everyone has forgotten what it's like to be a teen. They relate more to a broke college student because they're broke middle age people. But forget as kid with potential adults are more willing to help out and being naive and idealistic teenagers just follow what the adults an for them
I'm 40 year old and the Home Trilogy reminds me the teen life I wasted and messed up. It resonated strongly with me. In Far From Home Peter apologised to Happy while I screwed up something and I don't have chance to apologise anymore.
@@chengkuoklee5734 same. I love that they kept this Peter in high school for as long as they could. Everyone forgets the learning curve of being human high school puts on all of us. So much wasted potential if only we knew what we know now
@Emo Gamer R well the AC/DC music is not exactly connected to Spider-Man it’s supposed to be a reference to Ironman1 cause that’s the first thing you hear when you start at the Beginning the of the MCU mostly because FFH is supposed to be the final movie in the infinity saga and the final movie in phase 3.
When it comes to the villains I kinda don’t mind the connection but at the same time a little annoyed. Plus in the comics these villains mysterio and vulture never hated Spider-Man until Spider-Man started ruining their plans and started to grow to hate him which homecoming and FFH did. Plus you’d have to explain what grown adult men would want with a teenager
When it comes to the suits the only suits that we’re given to him was the civil war suit and the iron spider suit and I’m gonna give iron spider a pass since Ironman is the only one to develop that suit movie or comic but besides that Peter did make 3 of his suits all on his own 2 of which are my top favorite live action suits plus Jon watts wanted to explain how a broke teenager in queens would be able to make such a good looking suit and the red/black suit doesn’t enhance his physical abilities or give him new ones unlike the other 2 suits stark gave him. Also why do people have a problem with MCU Spidey getting materials to make one Spidey suit when PS4 Spidey did the same thing with doc ocks tech with 2 of his suits
@Emo Gamer R This Spider-Man is certainly relatable. Just cause he’s friends with a billionaire doesn’t mean he’s not relatable. Like I can relate to how he goes through self doubt, fear to live up to others expectations, always screwing something up so bad that you try to take responsibility for it and fix it and always sacrificing what you want to do for the sake of others. Certainly the other Spider-Men have relatable qualities but I can’t relate to money problems, holding down a job and all that like Tobey but I can relate to Tom’s version more
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They forgot that scene from Homecoming when Stark berated Peter before taking the suit with *"What if somebody died tonight? Different story, right? That's on you! And if you died? Well, that's on me."*
That line hits hard when we go flash forward to Infinity War.
This is a million times more insightful than any of Hitop's vidoes
That’s bc Hitop doesn’t really understand this origin trilogy like this video does 💯
MCU Spidey is like the 616 and Ultimate Spider-Man from high school Peter: He grows, he shifts, he learns lessons and forgets them and falls and picks himself back up, and he never stops pushing forward. He takes on the responsibility of becoming the Man he claims to be, that others need him to be, even if he doesn’t consciously realize it at first. That’s how he was built, and how he was visibly meant to keep going at first. That’s the "in", that’s what makes him an everyman we can all relate to, because no one ever stops growing up. But initially Peter was a boy who wanted to be like comic book superhero . MCU Peter’s journey is similar to this, but if he was initially accepted and brought in to be a hero during civil war as opposed to be refused from the Fantastic Four or not joining the Avengers because he didn’t capture the Hulk or the government denying him like in ASM Annual#1 or Avengers#236-236. Or USM#4-5/150-160
Even the Ultimate Spider-Man comics had him as an idealistic, strenuously ethical and moral foil to more hardened, jaded, "pragmatic" or ruthless adult heroes. The Ultimate Universe had all of Peter’s time as a hero being during his high school years, with Death of Spider-Man even taking place shortly after he had been Spider-Man for only a year. Compared to the likes of older heroes like the Ultimates, he was a rookie (hell when Ultimate Venom threatened him in War of the Symbiotes, he tried to go to both the Ultimates and the F4) . Ultimate Peter going to other heroes for help, because the idea of loner Spidey is long gone, especially when he's a teenager in a world of established supers and built relationships with them like MCU Spidey has. But there are moments he learned how to stand on his own and grow into a more self assured hero
10:19 thank you! I'd like to add my take on it and hopefully some people see what I'm saying but here's the thing. The whole stark tech "problem" if you want to call it that was part of his Arc. If you look at it through the lens of adolescence to adulthood it makes immensely more sense in context, Peter at 15 he's still a kid he's still figuring things out, I never expected him at that age to face crazy consequences like Toby's version or even Andrew. But as the films keep going you start to realize "oh wait they're building to something here. " You're damn right when you say they're not going to turn Spider-Man into iron Man. Now I'll go on a limb and say that not everything was planned out beat for beat, but the general concept of Peter finally being on his own by the end that part always felt like it was planned. Every movie goes through rewrites or reshoots to better fit the story. I just think people jump the gun too quickly when it comes to things things that bother them about a film. There's a narrative formed that everything has to be a certain way or that it has to be what the fans want when that's not the case.
I find it baffling when I see how some reviewers say they finally fixed him or they sort of fix him, they didn't fix him they just stripped away the fat, in the same way Thor Ragnarok did for the Thor films, it didn't retcon anything, it didn't throw shade at previous directors it just embraced what me the other two great and doubled down.
I think when fans say they need to do something a certain way in order for it to be considered good, that's their way of saying "if it's not x y and z then it's a bad movie"
This is my main problem with high top films which by the way is not a bad reviewer (he's got a great editing style and approach). But I think his standards bounce back and forth way too much, on the one hand he'll say "Let there be Carnage" is great because it's not trying to be a a-list movie. Then on the other hand he'll trash homecoming and far from home because " they didn't do what Rami did" and if you think of exaggerating just watch his constant praise of those movies.
He puts them on of God forsaken pedestal for Christ's sakes. Which I think in hindsight ruins his ability to even enjoy other movies outside of a few.
Look my point is I think fans should start looking at them for what they are and not for what they aren't. That way you can still have fun watching movies.
as a big spiderman fan...DAMN THIS VIDEO GAVE ME A WHOLE NEW PERSPECTIVE ON THE CHARACTER...Great Video! a Masterpiece
THANK YOU!!! I've been seeing people say that NWH saved the character because he was on track to become the worst adaptation of Spider-Man and Peter Parker. But no. He was NEVER going to be the new Iron Man. It was quite clear from the start that he was gonna end up at this point by the end of the trilogy whether they went the multiverse route or not. People really need to rewatch the first two MCU Spidey films with the benefit of hindsight to reevaluate their opinions instead of just sticking to their biases and saying the other two sucked. I just subscribed and I'm glad I found your channel through this video. Great job!
@Emo Gamer R I've said from the beginning that I don't like the AC/DC scene because it literally goes against what the movie was teaching like literally 30 seconds before that. And when it comes to the villains, Vulture and Mysterio being initially motivated by Stark makes sense as they were villains that were meant to show Peter being a protege of Stark becoming his own man. Both those villains only started out being motivated by Stark. They were more so motivated by their own morals. And why does it matter? The other villains in the Raimi movies didn't have anything to do with Spider-Man when they became villains (except for Venom and Harry). So, why should they here? Also, that whole "it makes Spider-Man not relatable" argument is incorrect. First of all, Stark bailed him out twice. That's it. He then had to give up his suit and fight his own battle in Homecoming. In FFH, he had to do everything on his own. He made his new suit (that only appeared to have taser webs and no AI). He didn't have many consequences yet, but it was all building up to it. Also, Peter has several flaws as a person. I have a diagram saved to my phone of things he went through in every movie showcasing his character growth. Each movie is about learning new lessons and he needs to develop along the way. They were never planning on having him be the next Iron Man. I'm not gonna claim that NWH was planned from the start. It wasn't. But his arc was always pointing to him becoming his own hero. He idolized Stark (as a kid in this world of heroes probably would), gets a fancy suit that he doesn't even use in any of his climactic battles, and people say he's basically Iron Man. Y'all just had to be patient. That's how interpreting a character differently works. You keep the same spirit (which he did), but you tell the story in a brand new way. His high school trilogy was his origin story and it took time for Peter Parker to go from being a boy to being a man. You can like and dislike any movie you want, but claiming he was ever gonna be Iron Man Jr. is just not right
@Emo Gamer R he was never iron man jr
@@_the_rizzler its just a scene that pays homage to iron man
@@masonwright7700 An Iron Man homage scene would've worked earlier in the movie, but not where it was placed. Still, that's only a nitpick
This guy......This guy gets it! He put into words what I've been trying to for 5 years. Thanks bro
Honestly having Spidey living in mcu is just so fun especially for the world building, like in their school their wall is filled with painting of successful mcu characters like Pym or Tony’s dad, in class they learned about sckovia accord in history, they have to be forced to watch some gym mandatory videos(relatable)with Cap in it, hell their principal’s grandpa used to work with Cap
Lmao yeah, that kinda world building, of this stuff having such a clear effect on the world and not held at arms length is the kinda world building I always wanted in a superhero world
This is probably one of the best videos I've seen on RUclips and in relation to these movies, you perfectly described my feelings for the Home trilogy and because (for me at least) it does a very good job establishing a teenager in a universe full of others heroes and watching him slowly become his own hero, that's Spider-Man for me.
This hits harder starting university, and the uncertainty life has afforded me in not knowing what exactly the future holds for me and what will come out of this journey. I think that is why no way home hits so close to home. I understand the struggles of becoming an adult, and not knowing how it will go gone is the comfort we once had to lie back on now; we must carve our own path and voyage to where we have never gone before. To become who we were so-called meant to be.
How fitting that MCU Spider-Man parallels the original comics Spider-Man in the fact prior to his introduction, all superheroes were adults and the teens were sidekicks.
This video really encapsulates what makes this version special.
It's my Spider-Man next to Andrew.
@@AntsTheaterCorner2698 Lovely choices.
You're the only one making Spider-Man vids worth listening to, because you get underneath the surface at what Spider-Man is really about outside of the surface level details.
So many fans, MCU haters in particular, just seem to see Spider-Man as a set of shitty circumstances that must be adhered to to be "true" Spider-Man.
The character is so much more than just a perpetually down on his luck guy. I wish more fans could see a story doesn't need a broke and depressed Peter to be "real" Spider-Man.
Exactly
The thing is, a broke and depressed peter is what makes him relatable, i still like toms interpretation but i still understand why many people don't find his Peter Parker appealing
@@Ibs69420 broke and depressed isn't all doom and gloom especially for Peter, it's just as important to make sure he's optimistic and some things go his way as it is to keep his challenges hard, because that's sorta what makes him grounded, makes him feel like someone we know instead of a character in a melodrama
@@noname-hf9ty the philosophy of Peter Parker, is that no matter which choices he makes there will always be a consequence, but he decides to keep being spider man since that is what uncle ben would've wanted
@@noname-hf9ty in this trilogy we literally see barely any consequences, until the final movie, its almost as if the first 2 in the trilogy were like Disney movies, people go to watch spider man to see spider man movies, not Disney movies
he has the chance to become the greatest spider-man ever i believe in tom and the mcu
as someone who has been in highschool when the first two movies came out and is just now in uni... idk i felt the heaviness of peter's life changing so much
This is easily the best trilogy the MCU has made. I love how the movies even though it wasn't exactly planned to end up where it ends, it feels to me at least very natural and really show how Peter evolves
Tobey and Andrew did great but I’ve been reading Spider-Man for years and Tom’s execution of a younger less experienced Peter Parker is as close to the 616 Peter Parker that we’ll probably ever get in live action.
It’s weird for all these people to not expect marvel and feige to know Spider-Man beyond raimis college Peter interpretation. he’s a hero with great stories of growth in all eras of his life from a boy to a young adult and finally to a man. And I think if you had the guarantee (which marvel does) to tell the full story over multiple movies then of course they’re gonna do that.
@@Ibs69420 You are right but you are ignoring that one of the main arguments against mcu spiderman is that he doesn’t feel like the true spiderman because he doesn’t get screwed over all the time. The more toxic Raimi fans, who are very vocal and loud when it comes to this topic, have kind of fixated the conversation on that point, as the films by themselves really doesn’t deserve the criticisms they get so it is a legitimate and for this discussion important thing to point out.
@@72bobin it's not the fact that he dosent get screwed all time, although that's one reason, it's because he acts more like miles Morales in terms of his personality (anxious)kid and goals( fan boy who wants to impress avengers while living under Spiderman/Ironmans shadow) Tobey wasn't the one either. Although he got some things right.
@@Owen-sx4jj That point is weak to me, specially in the mcu where characters are usually merged in terms of history and personality. Also has to be taken into account that tom holland is an teenager in the avengers world while toby was a young adult in a world where he was the only superhero. Of course he is gonna act more childish and try to look up to the other avengers, it would be ridiculous if he didn’t.
@@72bobin well that's the problem isn't it. Characters have roles in the mcu Tony (scientist) Dr strange (magic) black widow (assassin). MCU Spiderman is just the relatable kid who just happens to be wearing a Spiderman suit and fits well into Till recently.that replaced much of what he stood for. He embodies a fraction of comic parker he dosent come as close as the other two in comic accuracy.
And this video encompasses why not only is Spiderman my favorite character, but also why the MCU Spiderman trilogy, if it wasn't for the Gaurdians, would be my favorite trilogy in the MCU.
Tom Holland’s Spider-Man is by far the most comic accurate Spider-Man idgaf anymore. This is the only trilogy that’ll keep me rewatching and enjoying every scene. The first film depicts more on how Peter needs to prove himself worthy of such technology. The second film explores more on his spidey sense into deeper depths. The third film implies that peter has grown and matured thus making the greater sacrifices. The MCU’s Spider-Man trilogy is finally complete.
most comic accuragte?? Lol
I wouldn’t say most comic accurate but Yh his Peter Parker and spiderman have been really consistent they have but his storyline ain’t comic accurate
@@tobsonasanya4765 yes
@@Omen_Rocks123 yes it is. ultimate comics
@@Omen_Rocks123 eh maybe
I like how the titles of the movies, if projected at peter, reverse the journey he as a character has.
He starts with no way to get to himself, ends up lost somewhere he isn't and then finally finds the way to being himself. He comes home.
Just a neat detail, especially since he basically reverses anyone knowing about him.
Corny
Tom is actually my favorite Spider-Man but I heavily appreciate the set up on this adaptation of Spider-Man.
All the complaints about these movies bothered me I feel like so many people didn’t understand what these movies were going for and why it works perfectly for Peter Parker
It's nice to see these films so expertly defended. These are truly good films and good portrayals of Spider-Man. And it is a breath of fresh air to see someone say it.
eh
@@tobsonasanya4765 better than andrews movies
@@masonwright7700 Maybe but i wouldn't say all tom's films are good portrayals
This is the only video I'm accepting as tribute to MCU Spider-Man. Spoke to me, when necessary. I never thought Spider-Man would actually be my model. Thanks.
My mother and brother hate the MCU Peter Parker. Because they had Andrew and Toby. They hate how MCU Peter is “too childish” and “annoying, always geeking out”. Y e a h. So would you if literally superheroes existed and your favorite ones wanted you on THEIR team. Much less-you now have powers and are in HIGH SCHOOL. Most high schoolers aren’t dark and brooding like Andrew/Tobey. They like memes, make lame jokes, and geek out over nerdy shit. While being completely socially awkward and trying to figure themselves out. MCU Peter Parker is real for the 21st century. Thankfully-me and my dad like MCU Parker so we can geek out over how well the writers made him.
Your mother and brother really don’t understand these movies they don’t pay attention
I just like to appreciate that this was the “Home” trilogy origin story because Spider-Man was finally home in the Marvel Universe
I’ve been loving your analysis of this trilogy. I lot of people allow their misconceptions of who or what Spider-Man should be to ruin their enjoyment of new storytelling. MCU Peter Parker has a lot of depth, maybe even more depth than Tobey or Andrew had in their movies. The Home Trilogy has a lot of nuance that people miss because they’d rather complain about the technology or small side characters like Tony Stark or Doctor Strange. MCU Peter Parker definitely has had the best character arc and we’re only halfway through his story.
Yay! People are referring to this as the "Home" trilogy, glad to not be the only one who does so.
Such a great and well done essay that fully explains everything I love about MCU Spidey. My favorite thing about MCU Spider-Man is that he feels human. Even with the fantastical issues he goes through that we will never experience, his reactions to his problems and his day to day life is the most realistic and relatable of all of the live action Spider men. A lot of the criticisms I saw towards NWH specifically seemed to be based in this idea that Peter should be perfect, that he should have thought of the right solution of just calling MIT immediately and not gone to Strange at all, but that's such an unrealistic expectation to put on an anxious and uncertain teen that is having to navigate an entirely new aspect of his life with his identity being revealed. Not to mention, a lot of his motivations weren't even for himself, but for his friends. When he does talk to the MIT woman, he doesn't advocate for himself at all, only for Ned and MJ. Even when she says she'll talk to admissions about him, he tries to tell her that this isn't about him. Even when he makes the wrong choice, he still does what he can to be selfless and to help the people he cares about. He feels human: flawed and uncertain, but still trying to do his best.
9:30 Every time man, I can't help but start cackling like a mad man
I wonder if HiTop ever watches your vids, cause they're so absolutely amazing with analysis, history, and character that even if he were to still walk away still hating the mcu spiderman, he would at least have to admit that it's because of his own preference to Raimi and not because of literally any short comings on Watts and Marvels end regarding understanding of the character. You made me love Spiderman again, thank you
Can I say that I love you? I feel the same this guy understands the complexity of MCU Spider-Man, HiTop doesn't get this is because his ideal Spidey is someone who is struggling with money problems
Also he's a blind raimi fanboy
I enjoy the Raimi, Webb and Home Movies, each actor for Spider-Man does such a excellent job
@@HerooftheWild Why thank you, Hero of Hyrule. Love you too!
I gotta agree with hitop I hate MCU spiderman webb and raimi are 100x better than watts
@@etc8589 webb?
MCU Spider-Man always felt like... well my Spider-Man. In a way both the others fail to, Toby's feels like that cool hero you want to be like but know you can't, Andrew's is a character of tragedy, a martyr to a message. Tom's is just a kid trying to be the best he can even in a world telling him he can't. A world telling him that his best isn't enough. Now that, that's Spider-Man.
It might be projection on my part, probably is, but that really resonated with the way I've grown up having adhd.
eh
This video perfectly described why I love these movies so much
Too right it does. It captures what I personally love about Peter Parker/Spider-Man. He has to learn to believe in himself.
I grew up with this trilogy. A lot of people don’t recognize why or how I love far from home so much, *cough* hitop films discord server *cough* but it perfectly captures all the insecurities and anxieties I had. I hated the idea that Spider-Man needs to be another morally correct Superman style character truthfully, and while I understand the appeal of those films, the Spider-Man home trilogy holds that special place in my heart for its relatability.
In a world where so many creators seem to hate this new MCU spidey, I think your content is a breath of fresh air.it’s not that youre different to look cool, you genuinely understand the character and it’s appeal, and I think that’s more than a browntable can really say
Ok I sound bitter, I’ve been on twitter too much for my own good. But I really don’t understand why far from home gets so much hate.
@@josh-qj2zu since it is boring and bad
I mean Peter is morally correct except for when he tries to kill Green Goblin. However, even after Tobey was stabbed, he chooses to do the right thing and cure Norman.
Jon Watts did the impossible and actually made a good third spider Man film with multiple villains.
I can't wait to see how he does on F4
And I can't wait to see who Marvel and Sony will pick to handle the College Triology (I'm hoping for Drew Goddard)
It’s rumored that John Krasinski will play Reed Richards!
@@IcyDiamond I'd be down for that, although it'd take some getting used to.
@@littleredruri Imagine if Emily Blunt plays Invisible Woman though
Yeah. I’m also glad that, despite having multiple villain like Spider-Man 3 and TASM 2, it doesn’t feel bloated or confusing.
I want a whole new crew for the College trilogy. Not a an entirely new cast but a new crew. N I want them to all be amazing at what they do especially the cgi guy. I need Spider-Man to look less rubbery and bendy this time around. I need him to look real
Even though Tobey Maguire is still my personal all-time favorite/favorite live-action Peter Parker/Spider-Man, the Tom Holland run in the Marvel Cinematic Universe are some of the most underappreciated and underrated Spidey films I've ever seen.
The whole "Iron Man Jr" complaint ALWAYS annoyed the hell out of me. I couldn't disagree anymore with that garbage notion. Not everything needs to be straight-up "traditional" about Spider-Man.
These movies surprised me in ways I didn't expect.
I thoroughly enjoyed Homecoming, I really liked Far From Home & I LOVE No Way Home. The fact that this trilogy, along with his appearances in Captain America: Civil War and the end of the Infinity Saga, was the origin story for MCU Spider-Man is pretty ballsy.
The ending of NWH, along with the final web-swing and the reveal of the Classic Suit, makes me happy and intrigued to see what is next for Tom Holland's Spider-Man in the MCU, especially with the announcement of a new trilogy of films with Peter in College (or I'm calling it as the "College Trilogy"), having new adventures and new responsibilities.
Best breakdown of what makes Spider-Man such a relatable character for people as they grow up - no matter how old you actually are. The Home trilogy happened to release at a pivotal point in time for a couple generations, I think, which makes it even more poignant.
this has singlehandedly become my favorite video in youtube. massive kudos!
I can't believe you slipped in an image of Avi Arad when talking about sacrificing futures. Clever 👍
I love your Spider-Man videos! It's so wholesome to see somebody really appreciate all the beauty in the Watts trilogy.
Also _Far From Home_ is criminally underrated!
I think it’s weird how much it seems like the internet (Twitter, RUclips, and some Subreddits) hate Tom Holland’s Spider-Man… but everywhere else he’s absolutely loved. I think the internet makes it seem like his movies are disliked but in reality, tons and tons of people love him
This is why Peter Parker is my favourite superhero. Very relatable character. Love MCU Spiderman and the trilogy. Hope to see more of him soon
I agree with everything you have said all this “ IRON bOy JUiNOR “ crap. Not everyone spider man has to be the same at least Peter LEARNS responsibility and grows as a character at first he was a goofy Hero to a developing character to a grown and mature hero making sacrifices ( everyone forgets That he’s spider man and he’s all on his own so I hope everyone’s happy ) all the spider mans are great in their own way and seeing them work together still feels unreal
I Love how in homecoming he has problems as peter parker but sees spider man as the solution
in far from home he just wants to be peter parker for his vacation
and in no way home he is forced to accept that he is both
Although I’m not the biggest fan of MCU Spider-Man, I can appreciate the journey he goes through now, and the way his journey ends in No way home, I think what some people don’t realise is that this is a new take on Spider-Man, it might not be as deep as the Rani films or the Andrew Garfield movies (which are my personal favourites) but after seeing No way home I can appreciate MCU Spidey’s journey a lot more
its deeper than andrews. he only had 2 movies
thank you for putting why i love these movies so much into words.
This is why I love the MCU Spider-Man and Enter the Multiverse Miles Morales. Both are very capable but filled with self doubt. They are flawed. It's weird but the character of Spider-Man is interesting cause he's us, if any normal person were thrust into the same situation, we would go through the same emotions, same dilemma. MCU Spider-Man gets a leg up in my book cause it's the MCU and that's something I've wanted since I was 6 years old.
I’ve always had a soft spot for this trilogy even though people bashed on it.
~1/21/22
As a person who didn't grow up with old spiderman films and doesn't have the nostalgia. I didn't try to fit Tom Holland spiderman into the comic spidermans. And I absolutely loved his movies, everything was perfect, the movie was very good. So I'm always irritated when people hate on the movie because of nostalgia.
I'm more of a cartoon guy than live action, so Raimi's not a big deal for me. They have no problem Raimi tweaked compared with original comics but cannot accept tone, narrative, and theme changes of MCU's version. bunch of hypocrites.
Like a sign of God, I was recommended this video! On social media I get bullied and laughed at for my love of Spider-Man's MCU trilogy. Me as a teen myself, always placed myself in Peter's shoes throughout his journey, how he is so far from perfect and grows through every movie. I don't care for hate anymore and if I ever had doubts, I will never again, MCU Spider-Man is the best and his trilogy is the best in the MCU! I needed this video so much! Thank you for showing me I'm not the only one that loves MCU Spider-Man!
This trilogy is about a hero in an entire world of heroes he grew up on trying to find his own footing to stand as his own man
I’m not a big Marvel fan, like at all. But I’ve watched the Spider Man films since the Raimi trilogy and I’ve got to say they CRUSHED the Home trilogy. And seeing the three Spider-Man’s together in No Way Home was such a delight. I thought they did a fantastic job 👍 I’ve got no qualms.
your explanation of Far From Home made me appreciate it a lot more
People who hate this trilogy don't know what a character arc is
An addition to ur comment: and great character development as well 💯
@@thejenkinsfamily7179 well said both of you @onionshrekgirlfeet and @The Jenkins Family. Peter's arc throughout his three Spider-Man Movies in the MCU was super compelling and taught me to be a better person.
Facts
Tom is the best Spidey, the trilogy is amazing, Jon Watts and Kevin Feige did a perfect job.
What a beautiful video essay man, keep up the good work
Homecoming and Far From Home are great movies, and the Spider-Man fandom really doesn’t understand this version of the character. This fanbase has become so petty and picky with this version of the character all because he’s different, and that’s pretty much the only valid reason as to why tons of fans hate these movies. It’s because they’re different from the ones they grew up with. I like Tobey’s Spider-Man overall, but it boggles my mind that fans treat a superhero, who simps for an unlikeable female character and becomes an ignorant, sadistic moron (before he gets the Symbiote) in the third movie, like Jesus. And then they treat a superhero, who wanted to be as amazing (not for attention but for success; he doesn’t want to be a suckish superhero) as not just Iron Man but the other superheroes in the MCU, like Satan. MCU Spider-Man not looking up to those heroes and not being eager to help out in big and small ways would be incredibly disingenuous to the character.
Maybe Tobey fans saw him as different because they don't read they just follow what raimi has set up but most people didn't like him because he is miles Morales and wouldn't dare call iron man metal head less he gets spanked. He was too soft and too much of a fan boy not knowing his worth compared to the comics although idk if he would take a slap in the face just like Tobey did all the time.
@@Owen-sx4jj If most people didn’t like MCU Spider-Man, then the Rotten Tomatoes critic and audience scores for his movies wouldn’t be so high, and Far From Home before No Way Home existed wouldn’t have become the highest grossing Spider-Man movie of all time.
@@supersaiyanfox9190 you don't like something because everyone else does.theres this sheep mentality when it comes to Spiderman especially with Tobey stans. Anyway your point has nothing to do with the character and how well they know them rather,its about how good the movie itself was. Don't care about rotten... or audience score
Spider-Man Twitter absolutely hates Far From Home just seen it recently and it’s good lol but we’re all entitled to our opinions I guess
@@mrrobluxo2369 I don’t even know why Far From Home is hated by dumb, toxic fans. The stakes with Mysterio are higher than with Vulture, because Vulture never attempted to kill Peter’s loved ones (he threatened but never attempted) while Mysterio did. The Mysterio illusions are cool and crazy, the final battle is pretty satisfying, and Peter gets a huge consequence of Mysterio framing him as the bad guy and revealing his identity to the world. The Spider-Man fandom’s stupidity is beyond insufferable. They must have been dropped on their heads as babies.
I'm always just in awe of your analysis of the MCU Spider-Man. Just fantastic. I've come to realize that people that dislike the Home Trilogy are comparing this iteration to the other films and not the source material. You've showcased that wonderfully with your knowledge of the comics. I'll have to re-watch all three films back to back once I can. Thanks for the great content.
The compare it to the source material too lol
This is my favourite Spider-Man trilogy. I love amazing Spider-Man, with Andrew probably being my favourite actor to portray him, but this is the first set of films i was around to watch as they came out. I watched this journey and enjoyed every moment. I took the good with the bad, and all I can say is thank you to everyone who made these films a part of my life.
Favorite i mean really??
@@tobsonasanya4765 well yes. The raimey (idk how 2 spell his name) trilogy was the too Hammy and the amazing Spider-Man films, a- wherent a trilogy, and b- had a large selection of their own problems. On top of that, y tf do u care what my favourite is? I mean favouritism is literally just preference…
@@isaacstokes3132 Cheesy doesn't mean bad lol and the mcu ain't really that serious i think
@@isaacstokes3132 Ok what are your top 4 spiderman films then?
I’m so glad this video exists, because you really get Peter Parker and Spiderman. These movies are so well done and the themes they explore are classic Spiderman. His anger, self-doubt, immaturity, making the wrong decisions and being forced to learn from his mistakes. I feel like people misunderstand this trilogy when comparing it to Raimi’s. Raimi’s Spiderman had no distinction from high school to college and I think MCU Spiderman really showcases that there needs to be a transformation during these stages. He must learn and grow and shed his doubt and truly become SpiderMAN.
Thanks for this video, it was amazing and I love when people care about Spiderman as much as I do lol
I was the same age as Tom Holland’s Spiderman when civil war came out and I was so excited to grow up with him. People hate on his Spiderman because for most of his movies he’s just a happy go lucky kid but that’s super important to me. You get to see Peter grow and learn and become a hero.
I always look forward to your analyses! I was waiting for your piece on the Spider-Man Home trilogy to pop up since the movie came out. Thank you for your hard work!
i love this trilogy
me too. It's actually my favourite superhero trilogy
I also like how lighthearted and teenaged the mcu spider-man is, and the second film is my favorite. I hope I'll still like it with the tone shift.
I don't know what I respect more: your insightful, caring look at the structure and themes of these films, or the fact that you're the only film critic to recognize Xander Corvus' role as Spidey. you know, it wasn't a bad one.
I love how, even if maybe they didn't plan it all from the beggining, in the end it's quite a solid arc
Spectacular video, made me appreciate the trilogy even more. Subbed.
Tom holland will always be my favourite spider-man by the way I love the way you use the music in this video this adds more emotion in your video this is rare keep it up I am subbing you.
Rewatching far from home 2 years after I graduated high school, the movie becomes a young adult getting constant calls from his boss about work despite being on his paid vacation
This was beautiful
A lot of people didn't like the MCU version of spider-man thinking that it wasn't comic accurate, while in reality they didn't like it because it wasn't Raimi accurate, because of how big of an impact Raimi had on them.
No it’s both . This Spider-Man isn’t comic accurate AT all . And anyone who tries to say he is Doesn’t understand the character of Spider-Man AS well as never read a Spider-Man comic
Mcu spidey isn't really comic accurate. But comic accurate doesn't make it bad. But believe what you want. Op is heavily based towards the mcu.
Start reading first comic you'll see imediately.
@Emo Gamer R bro Are you sure you're in the right comment section? None of what you said is related to being comic accurate or not. Also, go and watch the final fight in FFH again and look who's the one fighting all the drones and mysterio, was the suit swinging around destroying drones? Did the suit use spider sense to fight Mysterio's illusions?
@Emo Gamer R that's also kinda my point, most people look at what the Raimi trilogy and tasm did and put them as an example to what spider-man is supposed to be, when in reality, Peter in the comics was just an ordinary guy trying to do the right thing, Raimi made peter a guy who has the whole world go against him, he made the villains have personal connections with peter, he basically alivated the good things from the comics and made the story more effective. But just because it's better doesn't mean it is comic accurate or it is what spiderman should be. But that's what most people think, and just because that's what most people think doesn't mean it's the right thing.
Finally, a Spider-Man Trilogy with very little flaw
a perfect trilogy
Unpopular Opinion: Far From Home is the most underrated and one of the best MCU films
I think far from home is really good I like mestrio
This is beyond well done. Made me appreciate some of my favorite movies even more.