have some engagement it occurred to me a while ago that you could potentially do a silver bordered fnpf to celebrate getting the silver play button for 100k
the thing with the Eldritch Moon werewolves is that they are already permanently in werewolf form on their front face, and then their back face is in eldrazi transformation. normal werewolves have a human side
Revenge as well as being an absolute ass that felt no remorse for not hearing any of nahiris calls. Maybe don’t fuck with the planeswalker that just lost their plane and had nothing to lose
Exactly. Nahiri summoned Emrakul to Innistrad after destroying Sorin's home and imprisoning his family in eternal torment as revenge for him defending himself when she originally attacked him for literally no reason whatsoever, because she is a card-carrying evil villain. Not to be confused with Nissa, who originally knowingly released the Eldrazi Titans on Zendikar on purpose to let them ravage her home plane, just to betray Sorin for literally no reason whatsoever, because she is a card-carrying evil villain.
@ how would you feel if you had just lost literally your entire world no home to go home to. And you seek out what you thought was one of your closest friends and they just say “sucks to suck.” Justifiable crash out imo
The retro-frame/tombstone discussion piqued my curiosity, so I did a dive into Scryfall and found a wonderfully terrible formatting choice in the old-border Covetous Castaway, which has both the Tombstone and Double-faced indicators due to having Disturb
Pretty disappointed that they didn't print the in-universe Rick, Steadfast Leader (Greymond)who is on Innistrad and in desperate need of a real reprint
I still wish it had just been an ISD/DKA/AVR combined remaster set. As a Limited only player, I really just wish this product line had stuck with the TSR design philosophy.
For some reason "Farewell to Innistrad" just makes me think of the TNG episode "The Big Goodbye," and given the black and white cards from our last visit to Innistrad, and the fact that we just got "Ravnica but with 1940s detectives," I can't help but expect the next Innistrad set to just straight up be a noir thriller.
I remember buying a disc from them with all 5 Geneforge games (there might be more now, I’m not sure). At the time, that significantly expanded my Macbook’s gaming library.
Spiderweb Software is still going strong! There are remastered versions of Avernum and Geneforge that still look like charming early 2000's CRPGs, but with some streamlined interface and systems that make them play a bit smoother. Plus new games, and now they're all on Steam and app stores.
Astonishingly, Day/Night bound is at 6 on the storm scale for likeliness to return. 5 for Innistrad. I find this wild, because Day/Night bound only works in MTGO or Arena. Anything where players have to keep track is an immediate shit-show because someone will _always_ forget. I hate having to chase up emails and recreate events at my job. I don't want to have to do it in my leisure time 😅
Omni drafts are a fascinating environment, my first foundations Omni draft I had a deck with three copies of progenitus and as many copies of Involuntary Employment as I could get (I think six) and on my second try I ended up with 39 nonlands cards at the end of the draft
I believe Melissa DeTora said there were no Daybound/Nightbound werewolves in the set when she was talking with Blake, but I could be remembering wrong.
I of course don't expect the tech person to remember every old card, but a quick (s:soi t:werewolf) into Scryfall would have saved us some time. That aside, love the show!
I had a lot of fun playing consuming aberration in omni draft, just have to make sure your opponent has a card in their yard and you most likely mill their whole deck
I know this isnt fhs meat and potatoes of the episode but I had a lot of games in Omnidraft Foundations that were won and lost to Macabre Waltz loops, either ny getting back cantrip creatures or by closing out the game with the zombie that drains for 2 if you can exile a creature from a graveyard
Fun fact: if griselbrand was only 7 mana instead of 8 it would have never become the lynchpin of the modern "Neobrand" deck where you cast an Allosaurus Rider (a 7 mana creature from ice age) for free and then target it with Neoform to find an 8 mana creature. It's probably in part why atraxa is 7 mana so that it can't be cheesed out with Neoform in the same way.
Allosaurus Rider is from Coldsnap, so while technically made part of "ice age block" (even though Ice Age predated their definition of Blocks), it wasn't part of Ice Age.
It's not that big of a deal really, but it bothers me A LOT when Cameron speaks directly away from the microphone every other sentence, making him fluctuate wildly in volume
If they would just errata daybound/nightbound...i know it would be another set of cards were reading the card does not explain the card but then maybe they could be real cards again
honestly I do hope this is the last time we see Innistrad for a long time, It's a cool plane but it's been over used and especially with the midnight hunt/crimson vow sets it was just too much innistrad at a time when so many other cool planes were getting introduced and then abandoned immediately after only one set. it's not innistrads "fault" as such but it left a real bad taste.
This isn't a return, just a bunch of reprints, so I don't see how this counts as "seeing the plane". Also, those new planes weren't being "abandoned", all of them have been relevant to the story since their first set and have gotten multiple references to them on cards.
I had thought that, After all the wild west cosplay and sylvanian families stuff (feels like universes beyond within their own universe. Weird LARP stuff) I had given up on any new MTG content. Then they go and make Innistrad Remastered... Damn them!
What are you talking about? Innistrad is already "gothic horror LARP" by those definitions. It was the first time they went super hard on top-down plane flavor since Kamigawa, with Innistrad's success making it more common afterwards. And how is "sylvanian families" your go to when there's tons of old examples of animal people fantasy settings, like Redwall?
I really like the art on the new alt full art cards that look like movie posters and stuff but i think they look awful for actual cards. Like them as a full print amazing but them as my trading card i dislike so much. Especially when they dont have the rules text onto them.
@Mordalon no that's my bad i meant to say for the previous versions of these full art kinda cards where they didn't do that. But I still stand with i think these don't look good as magic cards but the art is great. But that is just 100% personal preference.
Innistrad is one of the planes in Magic _most_ based on tropes, like what, maybe Eldraine and Thunder Junction are tropier but Innistrad is basically all tropes
@Azeria right, but they build atop the tropes on Innistrad. Interesting characters like Thalia or Gisa. Interesting stories like Liliana becoming a hero or a vampire bloodline wedding or the plane's guardians becoming corrupted being the lesser of the two concurrent threats. There's effort after pulling the tropes together unlike Eldraine, Archavios, Thunder Junction, Duskmourn, etc.
@@markbrierley6367 I’m hardly surprised the plane with seven sets is better fleshed out than the planes with one or two. Duskmourn is a terrible example for you to choose too, that was a very well fleshed out world that had many novel takes on the tropes it was based on, a couple of draft chaff commons with bad flavour text doesn’t undermine that, and lord knows Innistrad has had plenty of those too in its time.
@Azeria the extra sets argument is fair in that those stories are from returns to the plane and most of the ones I mentioned are first time visits. But I completely disagree with your Duskmourn take. There are plenty of obstacles in Duskmourn, but none of them are particularly novel, which isn't surprising since haunted house stories have been popular since before 1001 Arabian Nights, though that has one of the earliest surviving stories. Duskmourn is basically Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey in the laziness and juxtaposition of idea potential and execution. And I do want to point out that I'm not putting value judgments here. I don't happen to like Innistrad, but I recognize the extra effort at storytelling. Same deal with Duskmourn; I'm not tying reception to originality or extensions from such. And they do hit home runs (or at least ground rule doubles) in first-time visits. Llorwyn was quite good, and while we have been there for 4 sets, only 2 were on each side of the Great Aurora and most of the best story is in the novels. Amonkhet built on its tropes on the first visit. Rath was great despite much of the story focusing on planar visitors.
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it occurred to me a while ago that you could potentially do a silver bordered fnpf to celebrate getting the silver play button for 100k
Hey 🎉 I didn't realize they passed 100k! 🎉🎉🎉 Thanks for your algo post
I really hope they're able to get MaRo the next time a silver border product drops
"What if you draft a Jace, or a Corki, or a Heimerdinger?" GOOD JOKE NELSON heeheeheehee I love splicing onto Arcane.
It got me so good! I was wondering how the heck Jace interacted with Arcane spells!
the thing with the Eldritch Moon werewolves is that they are already permanently in werewolf form on their front face, and then their back face is in eldrazi transformation. normal werewolves have a human side
The Emrakul art for Through the Breach isn't new, it's from Ultimate Masters. And yes, Nahiri called her there originally as revenge against Sorin
Revenge as well as being an absolute ass that felt no remorse for not hearing any of nahiris calls. Maybe don’t fuck with the planeswalker that just lost their plane and had nothing to lose
Exactly. Nahiri summoned Emrakul to Innistrad after destroying Sorin's home and imprisoning his family in eternal torment as revenge for him defending himself when she originally attacked him for literally no reason whatsoever, because she is a card-carrying evil villain.
Not to be confused with Nissa, who originally knowingly released the Eldrazi Titans on Zendikar on purpose to let them ravage her home plane, just to betray Sorin for literally no reason whatsoever, because she is a card-carrying evil villain.
@@kobylong605 She attacked him first, then Avacyn got in the way. He didn't "fuck with her", just was dismissive and rude.
@ how would you feel if you had just lost literally your entire world no home to go home to. And you seek out what you thought was one of your closest friends and they just say “sucks to suck.” Justifiable crash out imo
The retro-frame/tombstone discussion piqued my curiosity, so I did a dive into Scryfall and found a wonderfully terrible formatting choice in the old-border Covetous Castaway, which has both the Tombstone and Double-faced indicators due to having Disturb
Pretty disappointed that they didn't print the in-universe Rick, Steadfast Leader (Greymond)who is on Innistrad and in desperate need of a real reprint
"Hermit Druid, from Dominaria." I'm sorry Nelson, Hermit Druid is from Rath
5:45 The Tombstone is on one version of Arclight Phoenix, which is super funny
Shoutout for SpiderWeb Software and Exile III reference.
I still wish it had just been an ISD/DKA/AVR combined remaster set. As a Limited only player, I really just wish this product line had stuck with the TSR design philosophy.
Glad you guys hit 100K.
For some reason "Farewell to Innistrad" just makes me think of the TNG episode "The Big Goodbye," and given the black and white cards from our last visit to Innistrad, and the fact that we just got "Ravnica but with 1940s detectives," I can't help but expect the next Innistrad set to just straight up be a noir thriller.
Still annoyed that none of the blue cards got poster treatments. Surely Necroduality could have worked.
I'm sorry... and Arcane reference in my 2025 Tap Tap Concede. Wow, we're getting fed well this year.
Shoutout to the Avernum games from Spiderweb! Gaming on a Mac back then was a little challenging, we took what options we had.
I remember buying a disc from them with all 5 Geneforge games (there might be more now, I’m not sure). At the time, that significantly expanded my Macbook’s gaming library.
Spiderweb Software is still going strong! There are remastered versions of Avernum and Geneforge that still look like charming early 2000's CRPGs, but with some streamlined interface and systems that make them play a bit smoother. Plus new games, and now they're all on Steam and app stores.
They hold up
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Cam kinda has a point about never going back to Innistrad. With the ability to leave the plane who the heck would stay?
ah necromancers hello
@michaelhuerta7469 they two we like already left
Because Foundations had a lot of big creatures that you wanted to grab for the Omniscience draft, Garruk's Uprising was a real powerhouse of a card.
There are indeed no Midnight Hunt block Daybound werewolves in INR. A huge success, if you ask me.
Astonishingly, Day/Night bound is at 6 on the storm scale for likeliness to return. 5 for Innistrad.
I find this wild, because Day/Night bound only works in MTGO or Arena. Anything where players have to keep track is an immediate shit-show because someone will _always_ forget. I hate having to chase up emails and recreate events at my job. I don't want to have to do it in my leisure time 😅
L take
@@reccaman Daybound/Nightbound is one of the worse mechanics they have ever made IMO
I disagree, I enjoyed the mechanic.
@@Mordalon It's the fact.you HAVE to track it even when it's irrelavant that sucks. It's just a magic clearly designed for online that sucks in paper
congratulations on 100k, have some engagement. innistrad remastered looks really cool!
Omni drafts are a fascinating environment, my first foundations Omni draft I had a deck with three copies of progenitus and as many copies of Involuntary Employment as I could get (I think six) and on my second try I ended up with 39 nonlands cards at the end of the draft
29:16 I think they printed Through The Breach in Ultimate Masters (UMA) with that art/flavor, hence the printing here.
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As someone that started playing Magic in the 90`s then went away, I am looking forward to playing some Innistrad for the first time.
I believe Melissa DeTora said there were no Daybound/Nightbound werewolves in the set when she was talking with Blake, but I could be remembering wrong.
17:27 I for one am looking forward to sadness
@44:44 That creature GRINS haste actually.
The Hinterland Logger, lighter than the Hinterland Stout.
Headstone rules, whenever cards with flashback don't have it I feel weird.
I of course don't expect the tech person to remember every old card, but a quick (s:soi t:werewolf) into Scryfall would have saved us some time. That aside, love the show!
I had a lot of fun playing consuming aberration in omni draft, just have to make sure your opponent has a card in their yard and you most likely mill their whole deck
for those wondering, as of currently, the church of Avacyn is currently being rebuilt by Thalia, Odric, and Sigarda and her host
Retro frame Delver, cool full art Thraben Inspector, and some downshifts that probably won't see any play. Pauper players are THRIVING
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A SpiderWeb Software reference??? How can one man be so cultured, Cameron???!!!
Proper name for this episode, "Innistrad Remastered Go Fish"
Where are yall getting previews? Mythic spoiler hasn’t updated for me since nov.1 🤔
I did an Omni draft that I got an “I win now” card in Consuming aberration which mills target opponent until they hit a land. 😅#onlyinommidraft
I liked Day/Night but I also only play on Arena. 😅
Craterhoof isn't in the main set, just collector boosties, also the old border dredge cards and prize amalgam have the tombstone
I know this isnt fhs meat and potatoes of the episode but I had a lot of games in Omnidraft Foundations that were won and lost to Macabre Waltz loops, either ny getting back cantrip creatures or by closing out the game with the zombie that drains for 2 if you can exile a creature from a graveyard
LOL Gram knows all about the Hermit Druid!!!
Fun fact: if griselbrand was only 7 mana instead of 8 it would have never become the lynchpin of the modern "Neobrand" deck where you cast an Allosaurus Rider (a 7 mana creature from ice age) for free and then target it with Neoform to find an 8 mana creature. It's probably in part why atraxa is 7 mana so that it can't be cheesed out with Neoform in the same way.
Allosaurus Rider is from Coldsnap, so while technically made part of "ice age block" (even though Ice Age predated their definition of Blocks), it wasn't part of Ice Age.
Wait did someone ask for a comment? Well this is the one you get
Sounds like Graham was playing ocarina of time randomizer and found an ice trap
You FOOL!
Yes, gdq just happened why do you ask
we need to go to innistrad at least one more time for the nightmare before solstice
It's not that big of a deal really, but it bothers me A LOT when Cameron speaks directly away from the microphone every other sentence, making him fluctuate wildly in volume
I’m excited for the downshifts of gisa’s bidding and bound by moonsilver
I will say that grislbrand notably does not have hands. The art is probably depicting a werewolf.
Sounds like this omnidraft was just "hey what if magic was Yu-Gi-Oh?"
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A Texas Medium = Tedium
idk why i pre-ordered this set but oh well..
lol i think spiderweb is still software-ing
Is Nelson cosplaying as the Kingpin?
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That Avacyn art looks absolutely horrible.
And the other similar art styles are pretty bad too.
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If they would just errata daybound/nightbound...i know it would be another set of cards were reading the card does not explain the card but then maybe they could be real cards again
honestly I do hope this is the last time we see Innistrad for a long time, It's a cool plane but it's been over used and especially with the midnight hunt/crimson vow sets it was just too much innistrad at a time when so many other cool planes were getting introduced and then abandoned immediately after only one set. it's not innistrads "fault" as such but it left a real bad taste.
This isn't a return, just a bunch of reprints, so I don't see how this counts as "seeing the plane". Also, those new planes weren't being "abandoned", all of them have been relevant to the story since their first set and have gotten multiple references to them on cards.
I had thought that, After all the wild west cosplay and sylvanian families stuff (feels like universes beyond within their own universe. Weird LARP stuff) I had given up on any new MTG content. Then they go and make Innistrad Remastered... Damn them!
What are you talking about? Innistrad is already "gothic horror LARP" by those definitions. It was the first time they went super hard on top-down plane flavor since Kamigawa, with Innistrad's success making it more common afterwards. And how is "sylvanian families" your go to when there's tons of old examples of animal people fantasy settings, like Redwall?
No daybound 🎉
I really like the art on the new alt full art cards that look like movie posters and stuff but i think they look awful for actual cards. Like them as a full print amazing but them as my trading card i dislike so much. Especially when they dont have the rules text onto them.
They literally have the rules text on them. They even pointed out the Emrakul having the Delirium-esque ability.
@Mordalon no that's my bad i meant to say for the previous versions of these full art kinda cards where they didn't do that. But I still stand with i think these don't look good as magic cards but the art is great. But that is just 100% personal preference.
Oh Innistrad. Remember when Wizards put effort into building their worlds that are just tropes?
Innistrad is one of the planes in Magic _most_ based on tropes, like what, maybe Eldraine and Thunder Junction are tropier but Innistrad is basically all tropes
Of all the planes, Innistrad????
@Azeria right, but they build atop the tropes on Innistrad. Interesting characters like Thalia or Gisa. Interesting stories like Liliana becoming a hero or a vampire bloodline wedding or the plane's guardians becoming corrupted being the lesser of the two concurrent threats.
There's effort after pulling the tropes together unlike Eldraine, Archavios, Thunder Junction, Duskmourn, etc.
@@markbrierley6367 I’m hardly surprised the plane with seven sets is better fleshed out than the planes with one or two.
Duskmourn is a terrible example for you to choose too, that was a very well fleshed out world that had many novel takes on the tropes it was based on, a couple of draft chaff commons with bad flavour text doesn’t undermine that, and lord knows Innistrad has had plenty of those too in its time.
@Azeria the extra sets argument is fair in that those stories are from returns to the plane and most of the ones I mentioned are first time visits.
But I completely disagree with your Duskmourn take. There are plenty of obstacles in Duskmourn, but none of them are particularly novel, which isn't surprising since haunted house stories have been popular since before 1001 Arabian Nights, though that has one of the earliest surviving stories. Duskmourn is basically Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey in the laziness and juxtaposition of idea potential and execution.
And I do want to point out that I'm not putting value judgments here. I don't happen to like Innistrad, but I recognize the extra effort at storytelling. Same deal with Duskmourn; I'm not tying reception to originality or extensions from such.
And they do hit home runs (or at least ground rule doubles) in first-time visits. Llorwyn was quite good, and while we have been there for 4 sets, only 2 were on each side of the Great Aurora and most of the best story is in the novels. Amonkhet built on its tropes on the first visit. Rath was great despite much of the story focusing on planar visitors.
@lrrmtg congrats on 100k