I was just in Taiwan for two months, talking to many people. I disagree with his description of the situation. Not many people in Taiwan want to declare independence. Most want to keep the status quo. But if you force them to choose between peaceful re-unification or fight. Nobody wants to fight. There are hundred of thousands of Taiwanese commute to work in China. Many of the taxi drivers/store clerks I talked to all eagerly await for the Chinese tourists to come so they can make more money.
Maintaining the status quo is living on borrowed time. The Taiwanese attitude is like the Qing government who thought they're still superior to China when in reality the biggest city in Taiwan, Taipei, is considered second tier city in China based on its small population. Like it or not, the Taiwanese have to face reality. Taiwan reunification is the demand of 1.4 billion Chinese, not just the PRC government.
@@4KSnSLifestyle Not just Chinese mainlanders. Most members of the Chinese Diaspora support reunification, and that is about 100 million people of Chinese descent
@@JD-yz4kr More like three billion people under sino sphere. The Taiwanese are like spoiled brats just like the Hong Kong protesters. They think they're entitled to special privileges while letting three billion people starve.
@@JD-yz4kr Agreed! As Chinse overseas (w/ some of my immediate family is on Taiwan)... I think all in all the best permanent option for Taiwan peoples is to peacefully reunited w/ mainland China. As for how and when is up to U guys to decide. I am sure both "Chinese" are smart enough to not to being used by foreign forces that has very little or no interest of their (both) well being (esp for the long term).
@@ecrush5080 Reunification under the polity of the Republic of China will immediately resolve all the territorial disputes the mainland currently have with its neighbors. This includes South Tibet (gobbled up by India in 1951 and renamed to the so-called Arunachal Pradesh and made an Indian state in 1987), the Diaoyutai and the many natural islands in the South China Sea. Not to mention the possible reunification of Mongolia. Reunification under the polity of the PRC will squander a huge asset that reunification under the polity of the ROC will otherwise bring. And that is soft power. Reunification under the polity of ROC with one country two system will be like the Yin force and the Yang force combined into one.
Yeah.. I question the credibility of this guy. He says the Ned is on the ground in U but that the people wanted it. Well, if the people really wanted it then there would be no need for the Ned. But very goodwill questions by this interviewer to sus out the mindset/knowledge and credibility of the interviewee.
“According to data released on its website in 2020, the NED provided more than $10 million of grants for 69 China-related programs within one year, which were aimed to deliver various activities endangering China’s political and social stability.”
A very interesting insight into the mind set of the Taiwanese population especially with regard to the military staff! Basically, the impression is: the current Government is trying to hide the real scenario from the average citizens! I think, the real behaviour of the politicians in Taiwan is like all so-called democratic society is to isolate the people from the reality around them.
This talk of Taiwan "Independence" is an American conceit. Every government official in Taiwan, or to be more accurate, in the Republic of China, is sworn to protect the Constitution, and the basic, basic foundation of that Constitution is that the Republic of China consists of the Mainland (which includes Tibet & Xinjiang), Taiwan & Hainan AND MONGOLIA AND everything in the South China Sea within the Eleven-dash line. Taiwan is just an island province in the Republic of China. Declaring independence is about Taiwan seceding from the Republic of China and giving up sovereignty over all the aforementioned territories. No politician will willingly give up territory.
You are absolutely right. A chunk of Tibet, an area larger than the state of South Carolina and have been made a state by India in 1987 and renamed to the so-called Arunachal Pradesh, has been occupied by India since 1951 and the PRC has been keeping people in the dark because this is not something that show the CCP in a positive light. The best way to resolve these territorial conflicts (including the Diaoyutai) is to reunite under the polity of the Republic of China under one country two system. In effect this will be a rebranding exercise with nothing change on the ground level. This will confer the reunified China unprecedented soft power and China will easily recover the stolen property from India and Japan.
@@PomegranateChocolate Thanks for explaining the southern border with India. I'm waiting for all the "Freedom lovers" to start a "Free Southern Tibet" campaign and the western media to champion it!
@@RickBlaine The Tibetans in South Tibet are certainly not doing good living under Indian rule. India simply doesn't trust the locals and basically treats everyone with suspicions because 'they look Chinese.' If anyone expresses sentiments that are construed as pro-China, the person can be sent to jail or killed, and it is legal under a law called the AFSPA (Armed Forces Special Power Act). AFSPA is imposed on areas India deemed 'disturbed,' such as South Tibet or Kashmir. The people there are angry but dare not speak up because they know what the authorities are capable of. Rape by Indians is another issue that angers the locals. A few years ago, two Indian soldiers raped a Tibetan girl in Bomdila, prompting the local police, which is made up of Tibetans, to detain the two Indians at a police station. India responded by sending in the army to storm the police station and rescue the two soldiers for fear of the two soldiers being lynched by the angry Tibetan mobs because this kind of thing had happened before. Afterward, India flew the defense minister to the area to give a stern warning to the local police that they had no authority to detain the Indian soldiers. I am sure those Westerners who profess to care about the human rights of the Tibetans don't give a hoot about the plight of the Tibetans under Indian rule. Let me elaborate on how South Tibet came under Indian control because this recent history is pretty much unknown to both Indians and Chinese because it paints a bad light in the eyes of the people on their respective governments. To set the backdrop, China has settled its border amicably with twelve of its fourteen contiguous neighbors except India and Bhutan. (Bhutan is militarily occupied by India and has no independent foreign policy). India, on the other hand, has territorial disputes with not just China but Pakistan, Nepal, and Myanmar and gobbled up the tiny kingdom of Sikkim in 1975. As late as the 1940s, after World War II and when India was created in 1947, the flag of the Republic of China (nowadays usually known as Taiwan) flew high in Tawang, South Tibet. Today, the Indian flag is flying there. On August 14th, 1947, Nehru gave his famous 'Tryst with Destiny' speech, and with that, a country that had not existed historically suddenly showed up on China's doorstep. India is similar to South Africa, a country that came into existence only because the colonialists created the country and subsequently and willingly relinquished its power to the indigenous people it once subjugated. If the British had never landed in India, today's subcontinent would comprise thousands of fiefdoms, often at each other's throats. This was the time of pre-Communist China (Republic of China), and India continued the British Raj's expansionist policy and the land incursion. Nationalist China (pre-Communist Republic of China) sent repeated diplomatic protests to the then-Indian Nehru government. However, schooled by the British on how to deal with these nuisances, these diplomatic protests were duly ignored. When Communist China won the civil war, and the Republic of China retreated to Taiwan in 1949, India was one of the earliest nations to recognize Communist China and, in one fell swoop, shut out the diplomatic channel the ROC used to deliver its diplomatic protests. India's land incursion continued, but Communist China ceased all diplomatic protests. In February 1951, three and a half years after the British Raj had left the subcontinent, India finally trekked up to Tawang, South Tibet, expelled the officials posted there from Lhasa, and annexed it. Tawang is the last major Tibetan frontier town. It is the birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to the four-hundred-year-old Tawang Monastery. Historically, the Tawang Monastery has been a central government-friendly monastery. This means the news of India's invasion and annexation should have arrived in Beijing within a few days at the latest. Unsurprisingly, the Tibetan Lhasa government vehemently protested, as did the Republic of China (by then had already retreated to Taiwan), but curiously, Communist China made no noise. Communist China's accommodation must have greatly emboldened India as it continued to push northward into China, eventually precipitating the one-month-long 1962 India-China war, despite Communist China's repeated warning to India that it would strike back with India's continued border incursion. In the run-up to the 1962 war, Zhou En Lai went to New Delhi pleading to Nehru to take what it had stolen (South Tibet) and fix the boundary along the MacMahon alignment (It was termed the MacMahon alignment and not the MacMahon line because the so-called MacMahon line is a diplomatic forgery and is not recognized by either Communist China or its civil war rival, Nationalist China) but India rejected the offer. I am sure India saw Communist China's offer as a sign of submission. After all, India has already gobbled up South Tibet, a territory larger than the state of South Carolina, with zero resistance from Communist China, so why should India take China's warning seriously? So the intrusion continued, which Nehru euphemistically called the 'Forward Policy,' and China finally reacted by launching an attack, and India was swiftly defeated. On the international stage, Nehru lied to the world that India was a victim of Chinese aggression when, in fact, it had already annexed South Tibet in 1951. India's duplicities have far-reaching consequences beyond the dispute between the two countries. India's lies created the narrative of an expansionist China, which, according to Henry Kissinger and Robert MacNamara, is the reason the US got involved in the Vietnam War, with over fifty-eight thousand Americans killed as a consequence of Indian lies. In 1987, India made South Tibet a state and renamed it the so-called Arunachal Pradesh. The Republic of China (usually referred to as Taiwan nowadays) once again issued a statement strongly condemning India. Here is an excerpt of the statement put out by the Republic of China (usually referred to as Taiwan nowadays): "Regarding the issue of the Indian government's illegal occupation of our country's territory and the establishment of the so-called 'Arunachal Pradesh,' the foreign ministry of the Republic of China issued the following announcement at midnight: India's illegal occupation of our country's territory has been repeatedly stated by the government of the Republic of China as something it will not recognize. Recently, the Indian Congress unilaterally passed the establishment of 'Arunachal Pradesh' to the south of the so-called McMahon Line. The Indian government also made it a state. The government of the Republic of China once again solemnly proclaims that the government of India intends to legitimize its illegal occupation of Chinese territory. The government of the Republic of China regards this as illegal, void, and absolutely not recognized." The irony is that today, people in both countries are ignorant of these events because the truth shines a bad light on both governments. For the Chinese government, it reveals that Mao's CCP is an impotent and traitorous land conceder, not the 'Wolf Warrior' feel-good propaganda that the government wants to push. For the Indian government, it shows that India is a detested land grabber, an accusation that Indians like to throw on its northern neighbor.
Taiwanese people remind me of Indian upper caste person people. An upper caste Indian may materially be poorer than the lower caste person, but he still feels himself superior than the rich lower caste person..
imagine living in a society you are not allowed to disagree on very serious issues, having a slowing down economy, and still feeling they are “superior” than other Chinese and having a better “democracy” politics 😂
Exactly !!! Is it really democracy in Taiwan when you're not even allowed to talk about all the options like reunification with mainland or the outcome of a war with mainland ? The authoritarian is present on both sides !!!
I think freedom of speech is generally considered to be non-criminalization of speech. You won't be thrown in jail for saying politically incorrect things, but you could lose your friends, lose your job, lose your social status, etc.
@@jefferyzhang1851 You mean like Julian Assange or Edward Snowden ?? That type of freedom of speech or the one where you get cancelled in Universities or the media or maybe the one where internet platforms just erase your rights to freedom of speech by deleting your speech which happens widely equally in the West , Taiwan and China. Btw, there are many cases in the West where muslim protagonist renditions to countries where tortures are allowed did happen and might still be happening for all we know.
I think, in china, the people of each provinces/areas think/feel of themselves as superior than others,just as individual often does of his own family being superior than neighbors, or children often do of their own parents. this is to me quite a natural human tendency. The problem is this is being POLITICIZED in many cases. More so, when there is an independent military, etc., also, often double down ,when its perceived superiority is challenged, example - economic, in taiwan case. Politicians are the most creative when it comes to advancing their interests, they take advantage of human weakness. So people should always watch out for their own common good.
Paul, I know you are not being heard in Taiwan. Even the blue media do not even air analysis like yours. I am glad manifold gave your voice a chance. The issue is Taiwan is a democracy in theory, but there is no realistic oversight nor check and balances, even on serious issues of defense. Taiwan supposed to have a free and independent media. But there is no serious honesty and factual information on the topics of defense.
Actually the PRC government has already formed a Reunification Committee. I'm sure the PRC government already has given the Taiwan government the deadline and the proposed reunification plan, but it's kept confidential by both parties. Every year the PRC government has already announced new privileges for the Taiwanese citizens. For this year, Taiwanese residence can apply for Chinese residency and Taiwanese companies now can have special privileges when they invest in Xiamen, which is designed to be the new Taiwan.
They do not figure in the main stream calculation, it is just fodder, what counts is the 3000 or more American troops stationed there, on effect helping set up high tech weapons to target the mainland and in effect interfering in the affairs of another country, China
Fantastic video about Taiwanese self delusion about independence. China has always said they willing to apply one country two systems like Hong Kong i.e. Nothing changes in Taiwanese governing themselves as long as they agree they part of China & work with Mainlanders for common prosperity!!!
If you think that the average American is ignorant or ill informed about matters outside the US, the Taiwanese is cloistered in an even smaller cocoon. So the Western audience has no idea of the disposition of the populous other than from the politicians’ whose self interests are being advanced. Taiwanese public like all Chinese ones focus on economic issues and they pay attention on the politics only when it interferes with the economics. So while upwards of 10% of the Taiwanese are either located in China or regularly travelling to China on business, the desire for influential Taiwanese to jeopardise this healthy arrangement, seems far fetched. In Chinese culture, soldering is very low in the aspiration scale as a profession and defending Taiwan from China seems like a life threatening endeavour without a cause. The illusion of Americans lives are committed to defend Taiwan at all cost, will soon vaporise to the reality, of their vulnerability and post haste, Taiwan politicians with no stomach for commitment will soon capitulate. The West will soon realise its propaganda, with the collusion of the media, had created an illusion at their peril. The Taiwanese public will soon find out they are fighting without a cause, but as sacrificial diversion for US hegemonic interests. Taiwan may get a reprieve from harm, as soon as those politicians motivated by US urging for their independence, realise US commitment is to make Taiwan the Ukraine of the East. But then, Taiwanese politicians can mimic India , even by changing horses in midstream, in order to extract the maximum benefit from the US. What is visible is just the opening lines of the Rubaiyat by Omar Khyyam.
America's allies tend to become free riders on its military power. By paying this price of wide ranging military commitments, America gains further leverage to bend its allies to its will. The major recent example is the recent restrictions on exports to China's chip industry, which required the acquiescence of three such allies. Given the increasing power of China, America made need to revise the paradigm of military dependency. So far, there is little sign of this.
CIA operates in the background through publicly and secretly funded NGOs such as NED, Freedom House, and Oslo Freedom Forum. Activists are typically recruited by the NGOs in universities around the world, where they are “radicalised” and given training in such subjects as propaganda, election tactics, protest logistics, and recruitment. They function like sleeper cells and are activated during identified opportunities. The recent Thai election against the military junta is an example of election influencing; and Ukraine Maidan, Sunflower and Umbrella “revolutions” in Taiwan and Hong Kong are examples of protests and riots. CIA has an index where it identifies countries especially vulnerable to civil unrest and where regime change is beneficial to American interests.
Always nice to hear the CCP perspective on things. Probably not wise to characterize any of these statements as representative of anything other than a tiny percentage of Taiwanese. On the equivalency of Ukraine, he seems to overlook one major difference. Ukraine is fighting alone. If China attacks Taiwan, the United States will be involved in military immediately along with Japan, Australia and NATO. Huge difference.
To say the the US can "barely stand on its own" (can't fight a war to defend Taiwan) is absurd. US assistance to Ukraine does not deplete the kinds of missiles and munitions that the US Navy and Air Force would use in a Pacific war scenario. Further, US think tanks don't claim that the Harpoon is a "magic weapon." US think tanks, and military advisors, argue for a wide range of defensive weapons. Mobile Harpoon systems (Taiwan is getting a hundred) are both highly survivable, and deadly against the kind of amphibious assets that the PLA would use. PLA ISR assets would be overwhelmed with the massive task of tracking all of Taiwan's major military assets, and US military at the same time. It's not as easy or as simple as Huang thinks it is. It really doesn't sound like Huang has had much military experience, if any.
Steve Hsu I'm not sure if you have covered this but I would love to hear an analyses of where China is going post Covid and the current economic crisis. The classic libertarian analysis is that China now is done, because the lack of political transparency and democracy. But is that really the case or is the current economic crisis more the price for China starting to go it's own way?
I will try my best to explain this "economic crisis" that you mentioned. Country A is growing at 2 percent gdp, about 5 percent inflation, 7 percent interest rate. Country Z is growing at 5 to 6 percent gdp, near 0 inflation, interest rates at 2 percent and higher average life expectancy. So I hear the media tell me Country A is having great economic success and growing faster than expected. I also hear people say Country Z is having economic crisis and close to collapse. It does not add up, does it? A better question is why a free and independent media is giving distorted, if not dishonest "narrative"?
We here in the west is in deep excrement. The US is being run by a demented President constantly falling. The homeless is boundless . So come on, come to our senses , we are 36 trillion in debt and when de dolarization take in effect, you will see most of the 800 US bases all over the world will closed. It’s unsustainable. Get real !
China is undergoing economic transition. A conscious decision was made to prioritize technology over finance and real estate. There will be pain while the economy restructures away from financialization.
1:04:30 From the US perspective, this is called escalation control. Just look at Ukraine, US has control over Ukraine options through weapon deliveries
Just look what Happen in Vilnius . Zelensky is begging NATO but he was ignored. He knows it’s the end with a Ukraine and western Ukraine will be taken by Poland. Zelensky will have to find a new job
The Taiwanese snobbery to the Mainlander is predictable, given that the mainland was as poor as India just a few decades ago. The Taiwanese anxiety about the CCP is natural, given the brutality during Mao's years. It would be strange if their reaction were different. Even the Mainlanders were not proud to be Chinese just a few decades ago. Otherwise, you won't have television series like the River Elegy sanctioned by the CCP. Why would Taiwanese identify themselves as Chinese when Chinese was synonymous with poor, backward, and uncultured? The best way to resolve this minefield is to reunite under the polity of the Republic of China under one country and two systems. This will largely be a rebranding exercise with nothing changed on the ground level other than 1) The map of the PRC will be replaced by the map of the ROC (秋海棠版图). 2) The CCP will change its name to the People's Party or Socialist Party or something similar to rid itself of its Leninist Marxist root. Once these two things have been achieved, it will resolve a host of problems the mainland currently has. The main ones are: 1) The anixety of China permanently split up is no longer. 2) The United States will cease to see China as an enemy and thwart its rise every which way because of the primal fear of a rising Communist power among the American public. 3) It will confer the unified China unprecedented soft power, which the mainland doesn't have. It will be like the Yin and Yang forces combined into one. 4) China will recover the stolen land (South Tibet was gobbled up by India in 1951 and made a state and renamed to the so-called Arunachal Pradesh in 1987) from India because of Mao's CCP's apathy toward the territory of South Tibet and offered to concede South Tibet to India (India never took up the offer because India was greedy and already set its sight on the whole Tibet) while the ROC has been sending repeated diplomatic protests to India's intrusion from the get-go when it was still running the mainland. The five-star flag never flew in Tawang, whereas the blue sky white sun flag flew high in Tawang as late as the late 1940s before the KMT retreated to Taiwan. 5) China will recover Diaoyutai from Japan. Again, just like in South Tibet, Mao's China made no noise when the issue of Diaoyutai first came up, whereas the ROC government, the Taiwanese, and the Hong Kong people have been fighting for the Diaoyutai since day one. 6) It will also solve the identity problem of the Taiwanese. When unified China becomes a top-tier first-world nation in the coming decades, I can assure everybody that the people in the green camp will suddenly be patriotic and nationalist Chinese.
It's not that simple because there are vested interests behind the Taiwan intransigence. Ukraine and Hong Kong are good examples. Unfortunately many Taiwanese can not see through the veil
@@MattsFikezolo-lo7wq The vested interests you are talking about is the United States. And this is the beauty of the proposal. The Americans are an ideological and gullible people. It is the word 'Communist' that is eating at them. China is Communism no more but, on the paper, it still is because of the name of the CCP. Once the CCP rename itself to something different, it will greatly reduce the anxiety of the Americans because of a rising 'Communist' power and the vested interested America will suddenly change tune really fast. I can see that the US will suddenly demand India to return South Tibet, a territory larger than the state of South Carolina, to its ally the Republic of China.
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I was just in Taiwan for two months, talking to many people. I disagree with his description of the situation. Not many people in Taiwan want to declare independence. Most want to keep the status quo. But if you force them to choose between peaceful re-unification or fight. Nobody wants to fight. There are hundred of thousands of Taiwanese commute to work in China. Many of the taxi drivers/store clerks I talked to all eagerly await for the Chinese tourists to come so they can make more money.
Maintaining the status quo is living on borrowed time. The Taiwanese attitude is like the Qing government who thought they're still superior to China when in reality the biggest city in Taiwan, Taipei, is considered second tier city in China based on its small population.
Like it or not, the Taiwanese have to face reality. Taiwan reunification is the demand of 1.4 billion Chinese, not just the PRC government.
@@4KSnSLifestyle Not just Chinese mainlanders. Most members of the Chinese Diaspora support reunification, and that is about 100 million people of Chinese descent
@@JD-yz4kr More like three billion people under sino sphere. The Taiwanese are like spoiled brats just like the Hong Kong protesters. They think they're entitled to special privileges while letting three billion people starve.
@@JD-yz4kr Agreed! As Chinse overseas (w/ some of my immediate family is on Taiwan)... I think all in all the best permanent option for Taiwan peoples is to peacefully reunited w/ mainland China.
As for how and when is up to U guys to decide.
I am sure both "Chinese" are smart enough to not to being used by foreign forces that has very little or no interest of their (both) well being (esp for the long term).
@@ecrush5080 Reunification under the polity of the Republic of China will immediately resolve all the territorial disputes the mainland currently have with its neighbors. This includes South Tibet (gobbled up by India in 1951 and renamed to the so-called Arunachal Pradesh and made an Indian state in 1987), the Diaoyutai and the many natural islands in the South China Sea. Not to mention the possible reunification of Mongolia. Reunification under the polity of the PRC will squander a huge asset that reunification under the polity of the ROC will otherwise bring. And that is soft power. Reunification under the polity of ROC with one country two system will be like the Yin force and the Yang force combined into one.
He mentioned NED as far as Ukraine, but denied them being active in Hong Kong. I was surprised by this since they admit it on their website.
Yeah.. I question the credibility of this guy. He says the Ned is on the ground in U but that the people wanted it. Well, if the people really wanted it then there would be no need for the Ned. But very goodwill questions by this interviewer to sus out the mindset/knowledge and credibility of the interviewee.
“According to data released on its website in 2020, the NED provided more than $10 million of grants for 69 China-related programs within one year, which were aimed to deliver various activities endangering China’s political and social stability.”
He underestimates the capabilities of Foreign Intelligence and their subversive activities.
A very interesting insight into the mind set of the Taiwanese population especially with regard to the military staff! Basically, the impression is: the current Government is trying to hide the real scenario from the average citizens! I think, the real behaviour of the politicians in Taiwan is like all so-called democratic society is to isolate the people from the reality around them.
This talk of Taiwan "Independence" is an American conceit. Every government official in Taiwan, or to be more accurate, in the Republic of China, is sworn to protect the Constitution, and the basic, basic foundation of that Constitution is that the Republic of China consists of the Mainland (which includes Tibet & Xinjiang), Taiwan & Hainan AND MONGOLIA AND everything in the South China Sea within the Eleven-dash line. Taiwan is just an island province in the Republic of China.
Declaring independence is about Taiwan seceding from the Republic of China and giving up sovereignty over all the aforementioned territories. No politician will willingly give up territory.
You are absolutely right. A chunk of Tibet, an area larger than the state of South Carolina and have been made a state by India in 1987 and renamed to the so-called Arunachal Pradesh, has been occupied by India since 1951 and the PRC has been keeping people in the dark because this is not something that show the CCP in a positive light. The best way to resolve these territorial conflicts (including the Diaoyutai) is to reunite under the polity of the Republic of China under one country two system. In effect this will be a rebranding exercise with nothing change on the ground level. This will confer the reunified China unprecedented soft power and China will easily recover the stolen property from India and Japan.
@@PomegranateChocolate Thanks for explaining the southern border with India. I'm waiting for all the "Freedom lovers" to start a "Free Southern Tibet" campaign and the western media to champion it!
@@RickBlaine The Tibetans in South Tibet are certainly not doing good living under Indian rule. India simply doesn't trust the locals and basically treats everyone with suspicions because 'they look Chinese.' If anyone expresses sentiments that are construed as pro-China, the person can be sent to jail or killed, and it is legal under a law called the AFSPA (Armed Forces Special Power Act). AFSPA is imposed on areas India deemed 'disturbed,' such as South Tibet or Kashmir. The people there are angry but dare not speak up because they know what the authorities are capable of. Rape by Indians is another issue that angers the locals. A few years ago, two Indian soldiers raped a Tibetan girl in Bomdila, prompting the local police, which is made up of Tibetans, to detain the two Indians at a police station. India responded by sending in the army to storm the police station and rescue the two soldiers for fear of the two soldiers being lynched by the angry Tibetan mobs because this kind of thing had happened before. Afterward, India flew the defense minister to the area to give a stern warning to the local police that they had no authority to detain the Indian soldiers. I am sure those Westerners who profess to care about the human rights of the Tibetans don't give a hoot about the plight of the Tibetans under Indian rule.
Let me elaborate on how South Tibet came under Indian control because this recent history is pretty much unknown to both Indians and Chinese because it paints a bad light in the eyes of the people on their respective governments. To set the backdrop, China has settled its border amicably with twelve of its fourteen contiguous neighbors except India and Bhutan. (Bhutan is militarily occupied by India and has no independent foreign policy). India, on the other hand, has territorial disputes with not just China but Pakistan, Nepal, and Myanmar and gobbled up the tiny kingdom of Sikkim in 1975.
As late as the 1940s, after World War II and when India was created in 1947, the flag of the Republic of China (nowadays usually known as Taiwan) flew high in Tawang, South Tibet. Today, the Indian flag is flying there. On August 14th, 1947, Nehru gave his famous 'Tryst with Destiny' speech, and with that, a country that had not existed historically suddenly showed up on China's doorstep. India is similar to South Africa, a country that came into existence only because the colonialists created the country and subsequently and willingly relinquished its power to the indigenous people it once subjugated. If the British had never landed in India, today's subcontinent would comprise thousands of fiefdoms, often at each other's throats. This was the time of pre-Communist China (Republic of China), and India continued the British Raj's expansionist policy and the land incursion. Nationalist China (pre-Communist Republic of China) sent repeated diplomatic protests to the then-Indian Nehru government. However, schooled by the British on how to deal with these nuisances, these diplomatic protests were duly ignored. When Communist China won the civil war, and the Republic of China retreated to Taiwan in 1949, India was one of the earliest nations to recognize Communist China and, in one fell swoop, shut out the diplomatic channel the ROC used to deliver its diplomatic protests. India's land incursion continued, but Communist China ceased all diplomatic protests. In February 1951, three and a half years after the British Raj had left the subcontinent, India finally trekked up to Tawang, South Tibet, expelled the officials posted there from Lhasa, and annexed it. Tawang is the last major Tibetan frontier town. It is the birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to the four-hundred-year-old Tawang Monastery. Historically, the Tawang Monastery has been a central government-friendly monastery. This means the news of India's invasion and annexation should have arrived in Beijing within a few days at the latest.
Unsurprisingly, the Tibetan Lhasa government vehemently protested, as did the Republic of China (by then had already retreated to Taiwan), but curiously, Communist China made no noise. Communist China's accommodation must have greatly emboldened India as it continued to push northward into China, eventually precipitating the one-month-long 1962 India-China war, despite Communist China's repeated warning to India that it would strike back with India's continued border incursion. In the run-up to the 1962 war, Zhou En Lai went to New Delhi pleading to Nehru to take what it had stolen (South Tibet) and fix the boundary along the MacMahon alignment (It was termed the MacMahon alignment and not the MacMahon line because the so-called MacMahon line is a diplomatic forgery and is not recognized by either Communist China or its civil war rival, Nationalist China) but India rejected the offer. I am sure India saw Communist China's offer as a sign of submission. After all, India has already gobbled up South Tibet, a territory larger than the state of South Carolina, with zero resistance from Communist China, so why should India take China's warning seriously? So the intrusion continued, which Nehru euphemistically called the 'Forward Policy,' and China finally reacted by launching an attack, and India was swiftly defeated. On the international stage, Nehru lied to the world that India was a victim of Chinese aggression when, in fact, it had already annexed South Tibet in 1951. India's duplicities have far-reaching consequences beyond the dispute between the two countries. India's lies created the narrative of an expansionist China, which, according to Henry Kissinger and Robert MacNamara, is the reason the US got involved in the Vietnam War, with over fifty-eight thousand Americans killed as a consequence of Indian lies. In 1987, India made South Tibet a state and renamed it the so-called Arunachal Pradesh. The Republic of China (usually referred to as Taiwan nowadays) once again issued a statement strongly condemning India.
Here is an excerpt of the statement put out by the Republic of China (usually referred to as Taiwan nowadays):
"Regarding the issue of the Indian government's illegal occupation of our country's territory and the establishment of the so-called 'Arunachal Pradesh,' the foreign ministry of the Republic of China issued the following announcement at midnight:
India's illegal occupation of our country's territory has been repeatedly stated by the government of the Republic of China as something it will not recognize. Recently, the Indian Congress unilaterally passed the establishment of 'Arunachal Pradesh' to the south of the so-called McMahon Line. The Indian government also made it a state. The government of the Republic of China once again solemnly proclaims that the government of India intends to legitimize its illegal occupation of Chinese territory. The government of the Republic of China regards this as illegal, void, and absolutely not recognized."
The irony is that today, people in both countries are ignorant of these events because the truth shines a bad light on both governments. For the Chinese government, it reveals that Mao's CCP is an impotent and traitorous land conceder, not the 'Wolf Warrior' feel-good propaganda that the government wants to push. For the Indian government, it shows that India is a detested land grabber, an accusation that Indians like to throw on its northern neighbor.
Taiwanese people remind me of Indian upper caste person people. An upper caste Indian may materially be poorer than the lower caste person, but he still feels himself superior than the rich lower caste person..
imagine living in a society you are not allowed to disagree on very serious issues, having a slowing down economy, and still feeling they are “superior” than other Chinese and having a better “democracy” politics 😂
Where's the freedom of speech if you aren't allowed to talk about different options in Taiwan🤔🤔🤔
Exactly !!! Is it really democracy in Taiwan when you're not even allowed to talk about all the options like reunification with mainland or the outcome of a war with mainland ? The authoritarian is present on both sides !!!
I think freedom of speech is generally considered to be non-criminalization of speech. You won't be thrown in jail for saying politically incorrect things, but you could lose your friends, lose your job, lose your social status, etc.
@@jefferyzhang1851 You mean like Julian Assange or Edward Snowden ?? That type of freedom of speech or the one where you get cancelled in Universities or the media or maybe the one where internet platforms just erase your rights to freedom of speech by deleting your speech which happens widely equally in the West , Taiwan and China. Btw, there are many cases in the West where muslim protagonist renditions to countries where tortures are allowed did happen and might still be happening for all we know.
So basically he doesn’t really have freedom of speech. He need to be PC and self censor to the point of naïveté. Who else see this irony here?
I think, in china, the people of each provinces/areas think/feel of themselves as superior than others,just as individual often does of his own family being superior than neighbors, or children often do of their own parents. this is to me quite a natural human tendency. The problem is this is being POLITICIZED in many cases. More so, when there is an independent military, etc., also, often double down ,when its perceived superiority is challenged, example - economic, in taiwan case. Politicians are the most creative when it comes to advancing their interests, they take advantage of human weakness. So people should always watch out for their own common good.
Great interview and analysis 👍👍👍👍
Paul, I know you are not being heard in Taiwan. Even the blue media do not even air analysis like yours. I am glad manifold gave your voice a chance.
The issue is Taiwan is a democracy in theory, but there is no realistic oversight nor check and balances, even on serious issues of defense. Taiwan supposed to have a free and independent media. But there is no serious honesty and factual information on the topics of defense.
Actually the PRC government has already formed a Reunification Committee. I'm sure the PRC government already has given the Taiwan government the deadline and the proposed reunification plan, but it's kept confidential by both parties.
Every year the PRC government has already announced new privileges for the Taiwanese citizens. For this year, Taiwanese residence can apply for Chinese residency and Taiwanese companies now can have special privileges when they invest in Xiamen, which is designed to be the new Taiwan.
No way out for Taiwan or get totally destroyed
Until recently HongKongers also feel superior to mainlanders. But now the situation has changed. The same thing is likely to happen to Taiwan.
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More than 2 million Taiwanese works or business in China
They do not figure in the main stream calculation, it is just fodder, what counts is the 3000 or more American troops stationed there, on effect helping set up high tech weapons to target the mainland and in effect interfering in the affairs of another country, China
Fantastic video about Taiwanese self delusion about independence. China has always said they willing to apply one country two systems like Hong Kong i.e. Nothing changes in Taiwanese governing themselves as long as they agree they part of China & work with Mainlanders for common prosperity!!!
I stopped listening when he said US is not driiving taiwan agenda.
I disagreed with Paul, his analysis was rough and not in-depth. His analysis is general and from his opinion that somewhat idealistic. But it is ok.
If you think that the average American is ignorant or ill informed about matters outside the US, the Taiwanese is cloistered in an even smaller cocoon. So the Western audience has no idea of the disposition of the populous other than from the politicians’ whose self interests are being advanced. Taiwanese public like all Chinese ones focus on economic issues and they pay attention on the politics only when it interferes with the economics. So while upwards of 10% of the Taiwanese are either located in China or regularly travelling to China on business, the desire for influential Taiwanese to jeopardise this healthy arrangement, seems far fetched. In Chinese culture, soldering is very low in the aspiration scale as a profession and defending Taiwan from China seems like a life threatening endeavour without a cause. The illusion of Americans lives are committed to defend Taiwan at all cost, will soon vaporise to the reality, of their vulnerability and post haste, Taiwan politicians with no stomach for commitment will soon capitulate. The
West will soon realise its propaganda, with the collusion of the media, had created an illusion at
their peril. The Taiwanese public will soon find out they are fighting without a cause, but as sacrificial diversion for US hegemonic interests. Taiwan may get a reprieve from harm, as soon as those politicians motivated by US urging for their independence, realise US commitment is to make Taiwan the Ukraine of the East. But then, Taiwanese politicians can mimic India , even by changing horses in midstream, in order to extract the maximum benefit from the US. What is visible is just the opening lines of the Rubaiyat by Omar Khyyam.
@30:40 Profoundly funny, though Paul probably didn't intend it to be.
America's allies tend to become free riders on its military power. By paying this price of wide ranging military commitments, America gains further leverage to bend its allies to its will. The major recent example is the recent restrictions on exports to China's chip industry, which required the acquiescence of three such allies. Given the increasing power of China, America made need to revise the paradigm of military dependency. So far, there is little sign of this.
CIA operates in the background through publicly and secretly funded NGOs such as NED, Freedom House, and Oslo Freedom Forum. Activists are typically recruited by the NGOs in universities around the world, where they are “radicalised” and given training in such subjects as propaganda, election tactics, protest logistics, and recruitment. They function like sleeper cells and are activated during identified opportunities. The recent Thai election against the military junta is an example of election influencing; and Ukraine Maidan, Sunflower and Umbrella “revolutions” in Taiwan and Hong Kong are examples of protests and riots. CIA has an index where it identifies countries especially vulnerable to civil unrest and where regime change is beneficial to American interests.
Agree, all failed
guy is a traitor and full of bs lol
Tawanese has their fake version of history in the text book. Every young generations think they are from Japan.
yah he said Taiwan have freedom of speech, freedom of association but then you're are not allowed to talk good of China. how is this freedom?
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Taiwan will still be Taiwa, integral part of China. ..
Better still China is part of Taiwan
Always nice to hear the CCP perspective on things. Probably not wise to characterize any of these statements as representative of anything other than a tiny percentage of Taiwanese.
On the equivalency of Ukraine, he seems to overlook one major difference. Ukraine is fighting alone. If China attacks Taiwan, the United States will be involved in military immediately along with Japan, Australia and NATO. Huge difference.
Carefully drafted propaganda 😄😄
misleading info
To say the the US can "barely stand on its own" (can't fight a war to defend Taiwan) is absurd. US assistance to Ukraine does not deplete the kinds of missiles and munitions that the US Navy and Air Force would use in a Pacific war scenario. Further, US think tanks don't claim that the Harpoon is a "magic weapon." US think tanks, and military advisors, argue for a wide range of defensive weapons. Mobile Harpoon systems (Taiwan is getting a hundred) are both highly survivable, and deadly against the kind of amphibious assets that the PLA would use. PLA ISR assets would be overwhelmed with the massive task of tracking all of Taiwan's major military assets, and US military at the same time. It's not as easy or as simple as Huang thinks it is. It really doesn't sound like Huang has had much military experience, if any.
Promo_SM 😔
Steve Hsu I'm not sure if you have covered this but I would love to hear an analyses of where China is going post Covid and the current economic crisis. The classic libertarian analysis is that China now is done, because the lack of political transparency and democracy. But is that really the case or is the current economic crisis more the price for China starting to go it's own way?
I will try my best to explain this "economic crisis" that you mentioned. Country A is growing at 2 percent gdp, about 5 percent inflation, 7 percent interest rate. Country Z is growing at 5 to 6 percent gdp, near 0 inflation, interest rates at 2 percent and higher average life expectancy. So I hear the media tell me Country A is having great economic success and growing faster than expected. I also hear people say Country Z is having economic crisis and close to collapse.
It does not add up, does it? A better question is why a free and independent media is giving distorted, if not dishonest "narrative"?
We here in the west is in deep excrement. The US is being run by a demented President constantly falling. The homeless is boundless . So come on, come to our senses , we are 36 trillion in debt and when de dolarization take in effect, you will see most of the 800 US bases all over the world will closed. It’s unsustainable. Get real !
China is undergoing economic transition. A conscious decision was made to prioritize technology over finance and real estate. There will be pain while the economy restructures away from financialization.
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From the US perspective, this is called escalation control. Just look at Ukraine, US has control over Ukraine options through weapon deliveries
Just look what Happen in Vilnius . Zelensky is begging NATO but he was ignored. He knows it’s the end with a Ukraine and western Ukraine will be taken by Poland. Zelensky will have to find a new job
Proxy war
The Taiwanese snobbery to the Mainlander is predictable, given that the mainland was as poor as India just a few decades ago. The Taiwanese anxiety about the CCP is natural, given the brutality during Mao's years. It would be strange if their reaction were different. Even the Mainlanders were not proud to be Chinese just a few decades ago. Otherwise, you won't have television series like the River Elegy sanctioned by the CCP. Why would Taiwanese identify themselves as Chinese when Chinese was synonymous with poor, backward, and uncultured?
The best way to resolve this minefield is to reunite under the polity of the Republic of China under one country and two systems. This will largely be a rebranding exercise with nothing changed on the ground level other than
1) The map of the PRC will be replaced by the map of the ROC (秋海棠版图).
2) The CCP will change its name to the People's Party or Socialist Party or something similar to rid itself of its Leninist Marxist root.
Once these two things have been achieved, it will resolve a host of problems the mainland currently has. The main ones are:
1) The anixety of China permanently split up is no longer.
2) The United States will cease to see China as an enemy and thwart its rise every which way because of the primal fear of a rising Communist power among the American public.
3) It will confer the unified China unprecedented soft power, which the mainland doesn't have. It will be like the Yin and Yang forces combined into one.
4) China will recover the stolen land (South Tibet was gobbled up by India in 1951 and made a state and renamed to the so-called Arunachal Pradesh in 1987) from India because of Mao's CCP's apathy toward the territory of South Tibet and offered to concede South Tibet to India (India never took up the offer because India was greedy and already set its sight on the whole Tibet) while the ROC has been sending repeated diplomatic protests to India's intrusion from the get-go when it was still running the mainland. The five-star flag never flew in Tawang, whereas the blue sky white sun flag flew high in Tawang as late as the late 1940s before the KMT retreated to Taiwan.
5) China will recover Diaoyutai from Japan. Again, just like in South Tibet, Mao's China made no noise when the issue of Diaoyutai first came up, whereas the ROC government, the Taiwanese, and the Hong Kong people have been fighting for the Diaoyutai since day one.
6) It will also solve the identity problem of the Taiwanese. When unified China becomes a top-tier first-world nation in the coming decades, I can assure everybody that the people in the green camp will suddenly be patriotic and nationalist Chinese.
It's not that simple because there are vested interests behind the Taiwan intransigence. Ukraine and Hong Kong are good examples. Unfortunately many Taiwanese can not see through the veil
@@MattsFikezolo-lo7wq The vested interests you are talking about is the United States. And this is the beauty of the proposal. The Americans are an ideological and gullible people. It is the word 'Communist' that is eating at them. China is Communism no more but, on the paper, it still is because of the name of the CCP. Once the CCP rename itself to something different, it will greatly reduce the anxiety of the Americans because of a rising 'Communist' power and the vested interested America will suddenly change tune really fast. I can see that the US will suddenly demand India to return South Tibet, a territory larger than the state of South Carolina, to its ally the Republic of China.
Worth a look at Taiwan's "White Terror".