My Taycan Must Be Fixed Now, Right?
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
- It's been 5 weeks since it first broke down, so we must have some progress now, right?
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The real problem for us Taycan owners is going to be the lack of tranceparency by Porsche about the problems surrounding the batteries. Right now If you’re buying an used Taycan, you are basically entering a lottery. That does not go well in the used car market and is going to hurt Taycan owners even more than it does today. And that will put off new Taycan buyers big time. If they do not adres this, they eventually will become known as one of the old brands from back in the day that “didn’t get it”. They only way to avoid this is being clear about cost of out of warranty battery repairs and the failure rate of batteries. Local dealers should be able to diagnose themselves and give every Taycan on every service a standard diagnose of battery health to the customer.
……and the”Real Problem “ for other Porsche owners is that they have to wait months for their cars to be seen because the OPCs have Taycans taking up all the availability.
Hi, one of the biggest problems I see with EV’s & this isn’t just Porsche Taycan owners are the fact that they can only be repaired by the main dealer, whether this is because the software is locked or other garages do not have the expertise to fix them.
I have never bought a new car because the depreciation & cost is too high, I also have never taken my car to a main dealer for maintenance
or repair. This is also too expensive with very high labour rates & parts prices.
My friend had his brakes changed at the main dealer, that £350 job cost him nearly £1k!
Yeah - more content to come on this topic. It's a very important point and crucial for consumer confidence!
100% agree with this. This is coming from someone who's been interested in getting a Taycan. I've already been trying to find out what the cost of battery replacement would be for the future, but can't find that info anywhere. Gives me a bit sketchy vibes, since I don't want to buy an expensive brick for the future. They should extend the warranty of the battery and be clear about out of warranty costs as you say.
@@odinsplaygrounds There are starting to be specialists that can fix the batteries for lower cost, Porsche can only guarantee the battery if the whole unit is changed this could cost £20k, aftermarket repair will open up the battery test all the separate cells & just change the faulty ones for a much lower cost.
If your car is still in warranty this isn’t an issue, but this is no different to an older car being written off due to the high cost of main dealer parts, when it could actually be repaired more cheaply another way.
so far my tycan has not had any issues i hope it keeps like that
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Great to hear you’ve finally got the car back!
Four weeks is quite a long time for it to be at the dealership. I can’t help but think that, going forward, these cars might be a bit of a daunting prospect to own once they’re out of warranty.
I imagine Porsche’s diagnostic fees aren’t cheap, and any repairs to the batteries would likely be very expensive.
Given all the issues you’ve had with the car, I think I’d always have that nagging thought in the back of my mind-wondering if it’s truly fixed or if it’s going to let me down again.
Thanks - it was actually 5 weeks when I looked at the calendar! I'll do more content on the battery & risks!
Glad you have your car back! After my recent comments, my Taycan also failed two weeks ago! Yellow lights of death apparently due to the heater failing which in turn caused a wire failure and a short circuit (something like this). That then caused other failures and the car died. The car went to Mid-Sussex and I too had an iX for a day (which I quite liked) and then a Ford Mach E for 4 days (which was utter rubbish!) and thankfully my car was then fixed and ready to go in about 5 working days. I still love the Taycan and think it’s a great car but one piece of advice to anyone thinking of getting an older car, I wouldn’t dream of running one without a good warranty!
Glad you got yours sorted quickly! That's how I feel - a great car, I really do enjoy it a lot, but it would be a bit more of a concern out of warranty!
So glad to hear you have it back!
I’m glad you’ve got the car back 👍👍
I bet you miss your Taycan 😭 you’ll appreciate it even more. Happy you have your car back. Thanks for keeping us up to date!!
Thanks for the comment and support on the channel!
Some say, that on a quiet night you can 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳 it depreciating.
Impossible, it's always drowned out by the sound of crying
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Great update and glad you’re back behind the wheel of the TS. I too forget how superb these cars are but a quick blast behind the wheel serves as a reminder every drive. Couldn’t agree more about the need for UK PCs to get on top of EV issues as these will become more relevant as time passes, especially now with the addition on the Macan and proposals for more of the line up to be electrified. Porsche will certainly damage their reputation if they don’t get out ahead of this. Thanks Tab, as always, great info!
Thanks. Exactly that - Porsche are for sure being brave and getting up that steep learning curve, but they need to get a solid performance out the door soon!
My Turbo S just passed the 111 point check and now has a Porsche warranty, it was your experience that made my decision even though the car had a 3rd party warranty, agree they are great cars to drive which is a prerequisite for a Porsche.
Glad to see you got the car back! Hah, so it wasn't the inverter... Connecting batteries in parallel or serial in not the same. If they did it in parallel, you'd have 3, and not 800V architecture 😉 Cells are a good thing, they make batteries repairable.
Yes - correct, you would, but it should be possible to isolate / bypass a faulty module with relays etc. This would be perfect.
They have done something in new Macan that might be capabale of achieving this. I don't know the internals, but VAG's PPE can split 800V battery into two 400V packs. This enables PPE to not have a DC/DC inverter for older 400V chargers. But it might also enable it to shut down half of the battery if needed.
Glad to hear you have you car back,hopefully all sorted.Could you please comment (in a video?) about the likely end game regards the battery warranty...I think they say 80% performance by 3 years and 70% by 100K miles...I have always done 100K+ miles in 3 to 4 year stints with my previous Volvos-all perfect...Surely Porsche are not going to hang themselves but actually telling us if the batteries are sub standard at points 3 years/100k miles....how could we get them independantly checked I wonder? Cheers-PS like most othe owners I do love my 4s CT but this stuff is at the back of my mind....
Try and not worry about it, no point unless it goes wrong. There's far more out there working than not working so chances are you'll be ok! 👍🏻
been waiting for this
Great news!
How did they fix it? Did they replace the whole battery or open up the case and put in a new module?
I've seen 3rd parties open up battery cases and it feels a bit like opening up a can where the metal outer casing bends and you wonder how it will be put back together again without it leaking as it's never going to be as perfect as a freshly stamped case cover. Would be interested to hear more about this...
They drop the whole pack out, and install a new module. Number 30. It's designed & built like that, not in one piece.
As an electronics engineer I find it hard to see how designers get EV's so wrong. An EV doesn't need stupid acceleration but they do this to hide the biggest issue with ALL EV's, the range due the battery chemistry. The ideal EV should be cheap to make and fast to charge. The battery should be leased and easily upgraded when the newer chemistry is available. The Taycan is an example of most modern cars filled with screens and stuff we do not need. Perhaps the big screens with Netfix are for when you are charging ? Battery Management Systems could have isolation of each cell or just blow a fuse that removes the suspect cell until you can get it fixed. Instead of a simple approach the EV designers are trying to reinvent the wheel. ICE cars can have simple EV conversions but no one can invent simple EV's ? My ice car never needs a software update and it has a key to start it so harder to steal. KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid. Pouch cells take up less room but do not have the space to expand when they go wrong.
Yeah - this is a great point you make. Was chatting to peterson EV at a car show who had converted a TR6, and it really was simple workings. I think all the safety legislation gets in the way and over complicates things.
Great you got the car back! Have a Taycan 4s 2022 and battery is as new with 400+ range. This is not rare to Porsche. If a Tesla Model S has one bad cell/module the car also get Bricked and you have to repair module or charge battery at Tesla to use the car.
Thanks - yes - this is the risk with a series configuraiton.
Is that 400+ miles? Or… km?
@@Osmosis909 Sweden so will be KM 👍
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Yes :)
The Range in a Taycan is not as the range in a Tesla. With Tesla the range only goes down from new due to degradation. Its not the same for Taycan, here there is a summary of battery capacity (efter degradation) and temperature and driving consumption.
So, having 400 indicate the battery is good but it also can be that I drove very calm.
5 weeks of saying how good the iX is and now back in the Porsche and "it's great!!!" .. I'm so happy to hear he Porsche is better than the iX :) :)
Yeah - honestly getting back in to the Taycan was great. I don't think it being the base iX helped. M60 might have been different!
@@TABonTV I've go the Mid-CycleTaycan 2024 4S Cross Tuismo super spec'd up and love it, however your video worried me as I was unaware of the ongoing issues with the battery. I know it'll be covered by the warrantee, but every time I drive it now, I just waiting for an error!! - Love your channel btw
My taycan off the road again for its 3 rd heater previous 2 only worked for a week in the last 2 cold snaps ,getting very disillusioned now with Porsche after having owned many now for the past 20 yrs
That's really bad! The new part should be a revised version and this should not happen. Check it's a new one!
This is all old news. Its widely know on the I-Pace forum for over a year. The modules are not in serie. The BMS should put the car in a reduced power/charge mode if anyhting goes off. At least that what happens in the I-Pace. Jaguar fixed the first 3 modules in 3 weeks after the first failure, and I could still drive the car with 72% battery capacity. Two days after the repair another two modules went.. .. then I got a full pack replaced in a SINGLE DAY !! And it doesn't have to go to Graz ( Steyr-Puch where I-Pace were build..), but to the dealer about 25km away... Jaguar now has a standing recall for all packs to be replaced that fail, no matter if the car is still in warranty ( 8yrs/100.000 miles), or beyond it. They recognise it as a manufacturing fault. So should Porsche.
Thanks for the comment, Porsche have just started a remote monitoring program.
Happy for you. But whoa my confidence in Porsche has collapsed. Would you get another one? I was considering an e-Macan but have now backed off.
Hmm. Thing is right now I'm not sure there's a better EV out there to drive?! This is the conundrum! If they can fix the reliability it'll be perfect!
@@TABonTVtesla? 😅 see I was in on the brink of getting a used Taycan, but some of these horror stories out there keep me grounded. as controversial as the make may be, at least Tesla is very transparent about warranty policies and support when problems arise is always present (owner of a m3p here)
They should have gone for CATL battery instead of LG.
Porsche probably got a cheaper deal with LG 🙃
Yeah - I'm sure they are sending a lot back to LG - wonder if there might even be penalties!
Thanks for the update mines never missed a beat ! But only done 2000 miles.
Quick question how many miles have you covered. ?
Good to hear, same for many others too. Just done 10700 miles!
I’m seriously looking at a used Taycan GTS, looking at some of the comments, I’m now shitting it about reliability and getting a dodgy car :(
I wouldn't be put off, just get one which has had all the recalls done and has an OPC warranty. Mine has been good on the whole
Don't forget to sell the taycan before the battery warranty ends, or you will really get in troubles with the 50K$ cost for having it replaced by Porsche
Yeah, batteries cost and battery lifetime are the biggest problem.
Oh, and the warranty also expires at 100k miles.
Yep - it's the big elephant in the room
This is both a hardware and software design failure, they could have built it to bypass the battery if failed, but I’m sure this would be a huge change to the design.
Yes - that's the thing, being able to handle / bypass an entire module failure.
This really scares me .....if this happened outside the warranty how much would dit cost ??
It could be quite expensive, but you have 7 years / 100K
Did you ever try getting this on an OBD2 scanner yourself? It might have even reported this, but then that doesn't explain why Porsche took so long to diagnose it.
The first AA guy did, but cleared the faults. I think they diagnosed pretty quickly, but needs to go back to HQ to authorise the warranty work (I believe). Queue for that!
Yes
Shame they didn’t just keep it for you and refund you. It’s such trash.
I still do like the car. I've got thick skin.
Madness connecting ANY group of electrical units in series because one broken link affects that unit and those after…… basic electrical theory……
Yes, but you need that to get the voltage up, the cells are only ~4V
Does anyone know if the updated/facelifted 2025 Taycans have batteries set in parallel instead of series (ie. can each cell operate independently and fail without affecting the others)?
All current batteries for ev’s are parallel and series. Most Li batteries are between 3.2-3.7 nominal volts. You have to put a few together first in a pack to get your capacity. Then add more packs in series to get to the required voltage. My guess Vivian has controllers with a variable voltage. And software to limit output if there is a problem. A sort of limp mode.
It's the same setup I believe. There is some parallelism within a module at cell level, but the modules are series. If you lose a module that's it. But, I understand the facelift uses better chem / tech?
Brother, in this video the problem is explained from Taycan owners in China. You can switch on subtitles to understand it. Enjoy: ruclips.net/video/ADP6GZU1ATE/видео.htmlsi=SBuTrfaqhzPkC9yC&t=80
Thanks. Just watched this and found it interesting. I recorded a follow up video last weekend which talks about expiring Taycan battery warranties. It's in the release queue 👍
@TABonTV Great, looking forward to it! cheers
Can’t believe Porsche would wire them in series? Thats fundamental basics surely to cover failure. Are you 100% on that or just dealers BS?
Yep - 100% - it's battery design & physics. There is parallelism inside the modules at a cell level (so you have a bit of resilience there) but the modules are all in series - so if you lose one module it becomes a static model.