Du hast mir mit diesem Photo enorm geholfen. Alles, was dich für 28mm einnimmt, zeigt mir, dass ich 43mm nehmen soll und ich danke dir für dieses sehr informative Video. Ich mag deinen Stil, deine Art und folge dir nun mit meinen beiden Accounts. 😀
Thanks for your video. I am a 28, 35, and 50mm Shooter. When the Q3 43 was released, I remembered my love for the Q2, gave in to my degrading eye sight, sold my M11 and lenses, and bought a Q3 and Q3 43. The two cameras cover my most used focal lengths and I can again, enjoy focus peaking plus a great EVF (when in manual) and the autofocus. Regarding cropping I completely agree, that it won‘t do. The problem is, and many youtubers do not seem to understand is, that focal length are about field of view, but even more so about depth. Depth with a 28 is noticeably deeper than with a 43, which on the other hand has a much higher compression. Going back and forth changes nothing about this very important fact and consequences for the look of the resulting pictures.
Thanks Florian, a very nice video as a Q3 owner, I found this interesting. I believe what you did was to find a composition and first take it with the Q3 43 and then took an image from the same spot with the Q3. I think the flaw in this is that you composed for the 43 first which would naturally gives a bias for the 43. Just a thought! 😁 Well done with the channel! Using the Q3 has made me consider an M11, unfortunately nowhere in Ireland to get to try one out. Very curious to try and understand focusing with a range finder 🤨
Using a (real) rangefinder will require to relearn photography (to some degree). It is completely different and rewarding (to some). Currently, after selling my M11-P and switching to 2 Q3, I have to relearn or at least get to know again, how to use an EVF and to rely on autofocus. Very often I switch to manual, especially for street photography.
I get that... I am not sure if I was constistant with everytime with the 43 first... It was just important to me to take a picture with both from the same spot.
Great comparison video. I recently purchased my Q3 28mm last month, and love everything about the camera. I also have a Canon 5D mark IV, along with a full kit of Canon L-glass, that I’ve been shooting with since 2019. Most of my everyday, travel, portrait, and event shooting, is with my Canon 5D mark IV and my Canon L 24mm -70mm f2.8 or my Canon L 24mm - 105mm f3.5. So, for me, the Leica Q3 28mm (including the crop capability to 90mm) fits well into 90% of my photography interests. Adding the Q3’s 60mp full frame sensor, really seals my preference for the Leica Q3 28mm system. Now I’m seriously considering selling my entire Canon Kit, and focusing on all of my photography to be done with the Leica Q3 28mm system.
Wow! That sounds like a very reduced and easy-to-travel camera kid! If you can handle everything with only the Q3 do it! Nothing like reducing the weight we carry around.
I have a Q3 and I love everything about it. I kept my Fujifilm X100V for those 35mm shots and a bit more portability. But to be honest; I hardly use the Fuji anymore..
Great video. Very educational. I am an amateur photographer. I took up photography as a retirement hobby. I purchased a Nikon Zf and have two lenses, a 50mm 1.8 and a 24-70 f.4. I have always wanted to own a Leica and am currently looking at the two Q3s. Your video was very helpful to actually see the differences in the images. I will have to watch your other videos now. Thanks for taking the time.
Great Video, I owned the Q3-28 for a couple of Months, On my 1st day of going out to shoot with the Camera, I found myself walking 3.5 miles and literally taking pictures of everything, On my 2nd day of shooting, I walked 5+ Miles doing the same thing, not realizing how far I actually walked (thank you Apple Watch). I love my Q3-28, but do feel that sometimes the range is a little wide, to make a long story short, I've talked myself into an excuse for purchasing the Q3-43 which is currently on back order from B&H Camera. I can only hope that the Q3-43 is as good as the Q3-28, I'm sure that you can't go wrong with either Camera
Finaly someone who addreses the myth of cropping as a solution to get the 43mm with a 28mm lens. Thanks for this. Pick tje Q with the FL you like the most. None can replace the other. Do not forget to meet other Leica Q owner in the new LeicaQforum. Then you will get your 5000 subscribers faster ;)
Great video! I have been torn between the Q3 28 vs 43 to the point where I’m ready to get a Sony system with the 28-70 f2. But I really love the Leica menu and button placements and I want a versatile smaller footprint camera. I shoot mostly family and friends and having the wide angle is helpful from time to time but I think in the end the 43’s DoF wins. LR can blur but it’s just not the same actual lens bokeh.
Very helpful video! I enjoyed the 43 vs 28 photo comparison. As a 28 owner I think I have come to the same conclusion that you have. Think about the 43 but keep the 28 for now!
I think 35 is the perfect lens. I often shoot the 28 at 35. Perfect solution with minimal impact on quality. Obviously can’t do this with the 43 😊 in an ideal world I would buy both but seems excessive for me as I just don’t shoot enough. Great video
I have Q3 and love it, its great for European towns, villages etc with narrow streets, whereas the 43 is a bit more open spaces, I almost bought one but at the last minute pulled out as I have M10 & SL2s plus lenses and it’s too much to carry around. In a perfect world theQ4 would have a 28-45 zoom! Can I wake up now. Thanks for a great channel.
I've had my Q3 for just over 14 months now and have almost 4,000 Q3 images in my catalogue. Not once have I wished for anything longer - a few times I wished it was wider! If 28mm is too wide then you're not close enough!
It depends on local culture. If you do street photography in London or New York City, people will not notice a photographer getting close enough for a "personal" image at 28mm. But in smaller cities, people take greater notice of the closeness required by a 28mm. I find them reacting to the closeness and ruining the shot. 40mm is my favorite for smaller cities. 43mm is close enough -- although I prefer the fun of the 28's depth of field.
Thank you for this comparison! I used to own the Q3 but grew dissatisfied with how close I had to get to make immersive, "personal" images of people on the street. Because of cultural differences, in small cities and towns, the closeness became an obstacle -- subjects were likely to react to the closeness and ruin the image. I had grown impatient waiting for my Q3 43, but this video confirms that I will be wise to wait (and not buy another Q3 28). I can always use my iPhone for wide images.
I have the Q2 and I use the 28 as well as the 35 crop. Wouldn’t that be comparable to a 43? I’m also a medium format shooter and have been considering downsizing my gear to just my q2 and a q3 43. I thought about getting a Q3 but that is just redundant to have two 28mm lenses even accounting for the increases megapixels. I do have the 43 on order just in case but not sure I’m going to keep it when even from the Q2 at 35mm my gallery makes 52”x70” prints. Ever mind my over 100mp medium format.
I finally managed to get a Leica and a few months later they launch the Q3 43… My first thought was to sell some gear, go crazy and buy the Q3 43 also… But I have the Nikon Zf with the 40mm f2 and some other lenses. Then I saw a comparison between the Nikon Zf with the Q3 43 and the similarities in the outcome of both stopped my, insane, initial thoughts 😊 But the Q3 43 is still resounding in my head… Why did they do that? 😊 Why now and not a few months back? 😊 But we are right, the 28mm is far more challenging and in the end I believe it will help me better in taking photos… Keep sharing 😊
Thanks for this. Only recently did I decide I wanted to add to my Sony RX1 (35mm)... have placed an order for the 43, but it is on back order for 2 months, so every day I debate whether to get the 28 instead (or even the M11), or stay with my 43 order. After watching this, I'm now even more torn what to do... probably the smart thing to do is just keep using the RX1... but I have an itch to buy another camera after 12 years. When I first got the RX1 the 35mm focal length felt very wide to me, but after all these years I am pretty comfortable with it. Option B, get the 43 now and hope the Q4 is a 28mm APO Summicron, then get that.
@@walkingmanvideo9455 Understood. I'm attracted to the portrait bokeh of the 43. In 12 years, I don't recall a situation with my 35mm focal length where I told myself I really wish I had a wider view. I almost always found myself walking closer.
Well this escalated quickly… I now have the Q3 43 and an M11-D with 28mm Summicron v3. Both are great and/but both are very different cameras. I am immersed in the photographic experience when using the M11. I am capturing a beautiful picture when using the Q3. The combo really cover the breadth of what I seek from photography. At some point I may add a 50mm to the M11.
$6000 was a lot for a camera. I was lucky to get one at the Leica dealer because the supply has always been hard to come by. I can't see buying the Q4 because I can stop up to 35, 50, 75, 90. It's one focal length. Yes you lose mega pixels but if you shoot raw you still can recover the full 60. I'm not paying $6000 more. Love my Q3. Leica holds its value and the photos keep getting better and better. Will continue to enjoy my "foot in the sand" investment in of my unbelievable Leica.
Thanks for the vdo and it solved my dilemma about this 28 vs 43. Because I like everything of 28 accept portrait shot. I came from Fuji and now got the Q3/28, from my experience with the Fuji Equivalent 40mm. I found it can produce some really great shots (like all other focal length), But it is quite "dull", if an album is full of them. I am not sure why, but having an album full of 40mm. shots is very boring. ( from a trip to Paris, that I forced myself take only one 40mm. pancake lens) I think it might because of the 40mm is very close to human vision so we feel the shots are "too normal? I think I will stick with my Q3/28 for my travel camera. I will use the 50mm. crop strictly for portrait.
I have a Q3 28 that I got before the Q3 43 hit the market. However, 28 mm has always been my standard lens since I walked the streets of Lund, Sweden with my then Olympus OM4 Ti and a 28 mm lens. So, I feel very much at home with the Q3 28. As a bonus, the 28 mm allows you to use a UV filter and the original lens hood at the same time :-)
Yes... I did not cover the filter issue because I thought everyone else was talking about it. But sure, I like to have a filter on as well... sometimes even a pro-mist filter.
Watched this vid before and it’s very helpful. Thank you. But please, tell me about your camera harness. I see your cameras dangling and it looks very comfortable and handy when carrying more than one camera. Thank you. 🙏
Yeah, thank you so much because I was getting sick and f****ing tired of all these photo specialist just running their mouth about how much ‘they like this, or they like that”, wasting my internet surf time, lol. I don’t give a hoot about almost every other review, especially due to learning nothing regarding the two Qs. So glad for your review with actual comparison of images, insight, some important setting info, with both pure file side by side images, so yes, thank you again. It’s about time that someone like yourself gave us the true goods; bravo ……… now I can make my decision on spending with everything included over $8000 with ease.
Thanks for the comparison Florian. I’m looking at a Q3 (my first Leica) as an everyday compliment for my full frame Nikons. My current thinking is to go for the 28mm on the basis that with the 60MP sensor I could take advantage of the Q3 crop options if I need to go tighter for framing purposes and still get decent resolution. Also, using the in camera crop lines means that you can still compose and frame with intention. I totally get that in terms of depth of field etc using the crops is not the same as shooting with longer focal length prime lenses but that is the compromise in going for a fixed lens camera and I think I could live with that. However, if I were to go for the Q3 43 I think I would quickly get frustrated if I wasn’t able to go wider than 43mm. Does that make sense?
Great video as always Florian. I think Leica want people to buy both, some photos naturally suit 28mm, others 43mm. Then when the Q4 releases it will be a 35mm as das Besten aus Allen Welten!
Not sure about that... why produce only one camera when people are willing to get two ;-) I think they for sure will keep the 28, and we will see how the 43 does... maybe they will also introduce a Q3 75 in a couple of years?
I wonder if there is a difference of image distortion between the two machines, both using its crop mode. Let’s say, place both machine at the same spot, both use the 50mm crop(at the center), do the images look the same?
Can't check that for you, sorry... the 43 was a loaner and I do not have it anymore. I guess when the distance to the subject is absolutely the same and the subject is not to close, it could look pretty similar. I think it really depends on the distance of the subject.
Wish they made a 35mm. Also wld love to hear more about the lux vs apo characteristics and differences in these 2 cameras. Few talk about this. Curious why they put the APO on the 43mm and luxury on the 28mm and not the reverse (one might want a faster longer lens for portraiture?)
Nice comparison. Worth mentioning that you can crop the 28mm f/1.7 to a 43mm f/2.6 equivalent with 23 Megapixels. Perspective is exactly the same when you don’t change the distance to your subject. So if the larger depth of field does not bother you and 23 MPx are enough, just enjoy your 28mm, which is more universal.
For me the 28 photos seem too distant from your subjects. For my type of photography I would be cropping in at post for most of my photos. I loved your comparisons! Thank you so much!
I’d love to get the Q3 43, the only problem it’s the price twice what I’d be willing to pay! I can can get an alternative easily for a less than half the price and have money left over for a nice vacation! I know everybody wants to say how wonderful the Leica is, but I can’t afford to have the camera stolen from me! And the people I know who carry them, constantly get eyeball either from fans or thieves! Be especially careful going to New Orleans!
Brilliant video Florian! Santa is bringing me a Q3 and I just can't decide what my first Leica should be 28 or 43. I have option on both from my local main Leica dealer in Dublin, Ireland. My current line up is a Canon R1 and a Canon R3 24-70, 85mm 1.2, 70-200 and 100-500 lenses. Any further help would be awesome!
That is a hard one... As I say in the video... the 28 is more challenging but more rewarding at the same time for me... the 43 is fantastic, but it is longer... in the end it is a decision on what you like to do most with the smallest camera you will own. - Let me know what the decision in the end was...! Marry Christmas
Great pics for comparing, I'm in similar boat right now trying to decide if I should keep my Q3 28 (which I just purchased a couple weeks ago) or wait for the 43. I was coming to a similar conclusion as you and was also considering that I would use my other camera(s) to shoot with other focal lengths for sure. But I have also considered (as I'm able to afford it) keeping both and actually using the two for my travel bag alone. Otherwise I would take my Q3 28 with my Zf and a 50 f1 and 24-120 f4 as my full travel kit. Will you be getting the 43 and keeping both? Sounds like you might.
I probably will circle around the 43 for a few months and then at some point... if I can afford it... I will get it... ;-) but I will for sure keep my 28!
Ich finde beide Brennweiten Klasse, jede hat ihre eigene Stärke. Ich habe die Q3. 28 mm und dann von Ricoh das andere Format ☀️ in etwa. Natürlich nicht mit der fantastischen Bildqualität, aber durchaus gut 😊
Great video. Have had the original Q, and was very satisfied, but now an M- shooter, because it’s more fun. Q cameras are fantastic but you feel more as a photographer in control when shooting a “real” Leica. Just my opinion - However, if you crop a 35 mm lens to 43 mm, what would be the factor to put on the pixel count in order to crop to the same width?
Thanks Florian! I love your videos! I own a Q2 and looking to upgrade to Q3 - I just can’t decide on Q3 28 or 43 - if you were in my position, would you still go for the 28? Thanks for your insight :)
Last year... when I came from the Q2 to the Q3 I would have the choice... I probably would have taken the 43... My comparison brought me to the conclusion that I will stick with the 28 for the moment... the 43 is somehow easier... the 28 is more rewarding... at least for me…. so it is a really hard choice.
What do you mean by „the physics“ or the „characteristics“ of a 28mm? From a physical point of view the difference is just the megapixels you loose by cropping and more depth of field like a raise in aperture by a factor of 1.54 if you simulate the 43mm on the original Q3.
@@flofroschmayer A part from the possible differences in resolution and aperture as explained the images are exactly the same. Any perceived differences are esoteric and would not stand a blind test.
I think if you can afford the two it would make for an amazing travel kit. And the fact that the menus could be identical for the most part would also be great.
@@paulboskerphotography Yeah I cant buy that argument. If you really want to change, or use two focal lengths, and you crave that 60MP sensor, then buy a SL3. Carrying two bodies around for travel...... no thanks
Happiness in Your Own Backyard! One question - So many reviewers of both the 28 and the 43 devote lots of discussion to the in-camera crop modes, yet these are photographers who do not use JPEGs. The feature seems irrelevant for those who focus on DNG files, no?
@Spearmanmark Yes, if you use DNG it is irrelevant... at least for me. You can use it as preview, but of course you will have the full 43mm or 28mm to crop what you like in Lightroom.
The 28 can do most of what the 43 does, except at the furthest telelens crop (75-135) but the 43 simply cannot do what the 28 does. Simple fact that would guide my choice if I could afford either. And, no, carrying both would defeat the whole purpose…😊
Zu 6:40 habe ich eine Vermutung warum du 28mm als „besser“ empfindest. Man sieht schlicht mehr und hat das Gefühl mehr Bild zu bekommen. 43mm ist dichter dran;mehr Kompression - vielleicht schöner, anders, fühlt sich im direkten Vergleich nach „weniger Bild“ an. Das Geheimnis ist: du bist zu faul! Je mehr Weitwinkel, desto näher muss man ans Motiv ran. Je mehr Tele, desto weiter muss man raus. Ich liebe mein 20mm 1,8 auf Reisen, weil ich dort faul sein kann und immer alles einfange. Für kreative Ergebnisse muss ich sehr bewusst dicht ran oder weit weg. Probier mal folgendes aus: Fotografier einen identischen Bildausschnitt, indem du dichter oder näher mit der einen oder anderen Q ranmusst. Dann kannst du auch den echten Charakter vergleichen. ICC ist übrigens auch auf meiner Liste.
Du hast mir mit diesem Photo enorm geholfen. Alles, was dich für 28mm einnimmt, zeigt mir, dass ich 43mm nehmen soll und ich danke dir für dieses sehr informative Video. Ich mag deinen Stil, deine Art und folge dir nun mit meinen beiden Accounts. 😀
Thanks for your video. I am a 28, 35, and 50mm Shooter. When the Q3 43 was released, I remembered my love for the Q2, gave in to my degrading eye sight, sold my M11 and lenses, and bought a Q3 and Q3 43. The two cameras cover my most used focal lengths and I can again, enjoy focus peaking plus a great EVF (when in manual) and the autofocus.
Regarding cropping I completely agree, that it won‘t do. The problem is, and many youtubers do not seem to understand is, that focal length are about field of view, but even more so about depth. Depth with a 28 is noticeably deeper than with a 43, which on the other hand has a much higher compression. Going back and forth changes nothing about this very important fact and consequences for the look of the resulting pictures.
Thank you for the explanation, I think that helps!
Thank you Florian, much appreciated! I am now even more convinced that I'm going to keep my Q3 28. I still love it, and I'm used to it...
Great... keep enjoying it!
I agree with you, I'll take it a step further. I have both the Q2M & Q2. I'm keeping both no need to sell anything
Great kit!
Thanks Florian, a very nice video as a Q3 owner, I found this interesting. I believe what you did was to find a composition and first take it with the Q3 43 and then took an image from the same spot with the Q3. I think the flaw in this is that you composed for the 43 first which would naturally gives a bias for the 43. Just a thought! 😁
Well done with the channel! Using the Q3 has made me consider an M11, unfortunately nowhere in Ireland to get to try one out. Very curious to try and understand focusing with a range finder
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I agree. I like most of the 43 shots better than the 28, but the composition was made for the 43.
Using a (real) rangefinder will require to relearn photography (to some degree). It is completely different and rewarding (to some). Currently, after selling my M11-P and switching to 2 Q3, I have to relearn or at least get to know again, how to use an EVF and to rely on autofocus. Very often I switch to manual, especially for street photography.
I was thinking the same thing after watching the video. The results could be very different if the first frame was composed with the 28mm.
I get that... I am not sure if I was constistant with everytime with the 43 first... It was just important to me to take a picture with both from the same spot.
I do the same!
Great comparison video. I recently purchased my Q3 28mm last month, and love everything about the camera. I also have a Canon 5D mark IV, along with a full kit of Canon L-glass, that I’ve been shooting with since 2019. Most of my everyday, travel, portrait, and event shooting, is with my Canon 5D mark IV and my Canon L 24mm -70mm f2.8 or my Canon L 24mm - 105mm f3.5. So, for me, the Leica Q3 28mm (including the crop capability to 90mm) fits well into 90% of my photography interests. Adding the Q3’s 60mp full frame sensor, really seals my preference for the Leica Q3 28mm system. Now I’m seriously considering selling my entire Canon Kit, and focusing on all of my photography to be done with the Leica Q3 28mm system.
Wow! That sounds like a very reduced and easy-to-travel camera kid! If you can handle everything with only the Q3 do it! Nothing like reducing the weight we carry around.
I have a Q3 and I love everything about it. I kept my Fujifilm X100V for those 35mm shots and a bit more portability. But to be honest; I hardly use the Fuji anymore..
Great! Happy new year!
Great video. Very educational. I am an amateur photographer. I took up photography as a retirement hobby. I purchased a Nikon Zf and have two lenses, a 50mm 1.8 and a 24-70 f.4. I have always wanted to own a Leica and am currently looking at the two Q3s. Your video was very helpful to actually see the differences in the images. I will have to watch your other videos now. Thanks for taking the time.
Sure! Thank you for taking the time to commend the video. Happy New Year!
Thanks for the comparison video. I rented the Q3 a while ago and I enjoyed the camera, but 28mm was too limiting for me. Now I have the 43mm on order!
Cool! Have fun with it!!
Great Video, I owned the Q3-28 for a couple of Months, On my 1st day of going out to shoot with the Camera, I found myself walking 3.5 miles and literally taking pictures of everything, On my 2nd day of shooting, I walked 5+ Miles doing the same thing, not realizing how far I actually walked (thank you Apple Watch). I love my Q3-28, but do feel that sometimes the range is a little wide, to make a long story short, I've talked myself into an excuse for purchasing the Q3-43 which is currently on back order from B&H Camera. I can only hope that the Q3-43 is as good as the Q3-28, I'm sure that you can't go wrong with either Camera
You will have a lot of fun! And a lot of long walks ;-)
Finaly someone who addreses the myth of cropping as a solution to get the 43mm with a 28mm lens. Thanks for this. Pick tje Q with the FL you like the most. None can replace the other. Do not forget to meet other Leica Q owner in the new LeicaQforum. Then you will get your 5000 subscribers faster ;)
Thank you for the tip. Can you post a link of the forum?
Great video! I have been torn between the Q3 28 vs 43 to the point where I’m ready to get a Sony system with the 28-70 f2. But I really love the Leica menu and button placements and I want a versatile smaller footprint camera. I shoot mostly family and friends and having the wide angle is helpful from time to time but I think in the end the 43’s DoF wins. LR can blur but it’s just not the same actual lens bokeh.
...true LR blur is not the same!!!
Very helpful video! I enjoyed the 43 vs 28 photo comparison. As a 28 owner I think I have come to the same conclusion that you have. Think about the 43 but keep the 28 for now!
Thank you!
I think 35 is the perfect lens. I often shoot the 28 at 35. Perfect solution with minimal impact on quality. Obviously can’t do this with the 43 😊 in an ideal world I would buy both but seems excessive for me as I just don’t shoot enough. Great video
I have Q3 and love it, its great for European towns, villages etc with narrow streets, whereas the 43 is a bit more open spaces, I almost bought one but at the last minute pulled out as I have M10 & SL2s plus lenses and it’s too much to carry around. In a perfect world theQ4 would have a 28-45 zoom! Can I wake up now. Thanks for a great channel.
Q3 Zoom - I like it! Or they probably would call it "Vario Q3" :-)
Maybe instead of the macro mode it could be 28mm or 43mm at a twist , come on Leica you know you can do it, please.
Thanks for this, I’m in love with my 28 but liked the thought of 43, you’ve helped my decision to carry on my love affair with my Q3 28.
Great! Enjoy it!!
I've had my Q3 for just over 14 months now and have almost 4,000 Q3 images in my catalogue. Not once have I wished for anything longer - a few times I wished it was wider! If 28mm is too wide then you're not close enough!
True!
It depends on local culture. If you do street photography in London or New York City, people will not notice a photographer getting close enough for a "personal" image at 28mm. But in smaller cities, people take greater notice of the closeness required by a 28mm. I find them reacting to the closeness and ruining the shot. 40mm is my favorite for smaller cities. 43mm is close enough -- although I prefer the fun of the 28's depth of field.
Thank you for this comparison! I used to own the Q3 but grew dissatisfied with how close I had to get to make immersive, "personal" images of people on the street. Because of cultural differences, in small cities and towns, the closeness became an obstacle -- subjects were likely to react to the closeness and ruin the image. I had grown impatient waiting for my Q3 43, but this video confirms that I will be wise to wait (and not buy another Q3 28). I can always use my iPhone for wide images.
Interesting point with the cultural differences... thank you!
I have the Q2 and I use the 28 as well as the 35 crop. Wouldn’t that be comparable to a 43? I’m also a medium format shooter and have been considering downsizing my gear to just my q2 and a q3 43. I thought about getting a Q3 but that is just redundant to have two 28mm lenses even accounting for the increases megapixels. I do have the 43 on order just in case but not sure I’m going to keep it when even from the Q2 at 35mm my gallery makes 52”x70” prints. Ever mind my over 100mp medium format.
I finally managed to get a Leica and a few months later they launch the Q3 43… My first thought was to sell some gear, go crazy and buy the Q3 43 also… But I have the Nikon Zf with the 40mm f2 and some other lenses. Then I saw a comparison between the Nikon Zf with the Q3 43 and the similarities in the outcome of both stopped my, insane, initial thoughts 😊 But the Q3 43 is still resounding in my head… Why did they do that? 😊 Why now and not a few months back? 😊 But we are right, the 28mm is far more challenging and in the end I believe it will help me better in taking photos… Keep sharing 😊
The Zf is a beautiful camera!!!
Thanks for this. Only recently did I decide I wanted to add to my Sony RX1 (35mm)... have placed an order for the 43, but it is on back order for 2 months, so every day I debate whether to get the 28 instead (or even the M11), or stay with my 43 order. After watching this, I'm now even more torn what to do... probably the smart thing to do is just keep using the RX1... but I have an itch to buy another camera after 12 years. When I first got the RX1 the 35mm focal length felt very wide to me, but after all these years I am pretty comfortable with it. Option B, get the 43 now and hope the Q4 is a 28mm APO Summicron, then get that.
@@walkingmanvideo9455 Understood. I'm attracted to the portrait bokeh of the 43. In 12 years, I don't recall a situation with my 35mm focal length where I told myself I really wish I had a wider view. I almost always found myself walking closer.
The Q system is fantstic... the 28 I would say is more diffrent to the 35 than the 43...
I was the same went 28 no regrets
Well this escalated quickly… I now have the Q3 43 and an M11-D with 28mm Summicron v3. Both are great and/but both are very different cameras. I am immersed in the photographic experience when using the M11. I am capturing a beautiful picture when using the Q3. The combo really cover the breadth of what I seek from photography. At some point I may add a 50mm to the M11.
$6000 was a lot for a camera. I was lucky to get one at the Leica dealer because the supply has always been hard to come by. I can't see buying the Q4 because I can stop up to 35, 50, 75, 90. It's one focal length. Yes you lose mega pixels but if you shoot raw you still can recover the full 60. I'm not paying $6000 more. Love my Q3. Leica holds its value and the photos keep getting better and better. Will continue to enjoy my "foot in the sand" investment in of my unbelievable Leica.
Congratulations
Thanks for the vdo and it solved my dilemma about this 28 vs 43. Because I like everything of 28 accept portrait shot.
I came from Fuji and now got the Q3/28,
from my experience with the Fuji Equivalent 40mm. I found it can produce some really great shots (like all other focal length), But it is quite "dull", if an album is full of them. I am not sure why, but having an album full of 40mm. shots is very boring. ( from a trip to Paris, that I forced myself take only one 40mm. pancake lens)
I think it might because of the 40mm is very close to human vision so we feel the shots are "too normal?
I think I will stick with my Q3/28 for my travel camera. I will use the 50mm. crop strictly for portrait.
I have a Q3 28 that I got before the Q3 43 hit the market. However, 28 mm has always been my standard lens since I walked the streets of Lund, Sweden with my then Olympus OM4 Ti and a 28 mm lens. So, I feel very much at home with the Q3 28. As a bonus, the 28 mm allows you to use a UV filter and the original lens hood at the same time :-)
Yes... I did not cover the filter issue because I thought everyone else was talking about it. But sure, I like to have a filter on as well... sometimes even a pro-mist filter.
Watched this vid before and it’s very helpful. Thank you. But please, tell me about your camera harness. I see your cameras dangling and it looks very comfortable and handy when carrying more than one camera. Thank you. 🙏
It is! The brand is called cleversupply.co, but it seems they do not produce that anymore.
Yeah, thank you so much because I was getting sick and f****ing tired of all these photo specialist just running their mouth about how much ‘they like this, or they like that”, wasting my internet surf time, lol. I don’t give a hoot about almost every other review, especially due to learning nothing regarding the two Qs. So glad for your review with actual comparison of images, insight, some important setting info, with both pure file side by side images, so yes, thank you again. It’s about time that someone like yourself gave us the true goods; bravo ……… now I can make my decision on spending with everything included over $8000 with ease.
...and what was the decision?
Thanks for the comparison Florian. I’m looking at a Q3 (my first Leica) as an everyday compliment for my full frame Nikons. My current thinking is to go for the 28mm on the basis that with the 60MP sensor I could take advantage of the Q3 crop options if I need to go tighter for framing purposes and still get decent resolution. Also, using the in camera crop lines means that you can still compose and frame with intention. I totally get that in terms of depth of field etc using the crops is not the same as shooting with longer focal length prime lenses but that is the compromise in going for a fixed lens camera and I think I could live with that. However, if I were to go for the Q3 43 I think I would quickly get frustrated if I wasn’t able to go wider than 43mm. Does that make sense?
Yes, it makes complete sense! You can also always take DNG and JPGs to see how you intended the composition.
Thank you for this comparison! I always wished for a 43mm, as it's the diagonal of a 24x36mm. And has the same angle of view of an 80mm in 6x6!
...and compared to a 6x6... do you think you will get the Q43?
@@flofroschmayer I admit it's tempting!
Thanks, I need a Qx - Q with interchangeable lenses 😂
I own the Q3 28mm and I’m not going to swap with the 43 😊
Got you! ;-)
I was thinking of getting the Q3 43 and also buying a Q2 Monochrome for street photography, which sometimes can use the wider lens.
Very good plan!
Thank you for a fantastic presentation. What are the two camera straps you are wearing on either side?
Anchor Camera Harness from Clever Supply
Great video as always Florian. I think Leica want people to buy both, some photos naturally suit 28mm, others 43mm. Then when the Q4 releases it will be a 35mm as das Besten aus Allen Welten!
Not sure about that... why produce only one camera when people are willing to get two ;-) I think they for sure will keep the 28, and we will see how the 43 does... maybe they will also introduce a Q3 75 in a couple of years?
@@flofroschmayer true
Great video, thanks for the info
Sure! Thanks for watching!
I wonder if there is a difference of image distortion between the two machines, both using its crop mode.
Let’s say, place both machine at the same spot, both use the 50mm crop(at the center), do the images look the same?
Can't check that for you, sorry... the 43 was a loaner and I do not have it anymore. I guess when the distance to the subject is absolutely the same and the subject is not to close, it could look pretty similar. I think it really depends on the distance of the subject.
Wish they made a 35mm. Also wld love to hear more about the lux vs apo characteristics and differences in these 2 cameras. Few talk about this. Curious why they put the APO on the 43mm and luxury on the 28mm and not the reverse (one might want a faster longer lens for portraiture?)
Yes... good point! I like my 50 Summilux M a lot, especially because of the 1.4 for portraits.
Nice comparison. Worth mentioning that you can crop the 28mm f/1.7 to a 43mm f/2.6 equivalent with 23 Megapixels. Perspective is exactly the same when you don’t change the distance to your subject. So if the larger depth of field does not bother you and 23 MPx are enough, just enjoy your 28mm, which is more universal.
... doing that!
For me the 28 photos seem too distant from your subjects. For my type of photography I would be cropping in at post for most of my photos. I loved your comparisons! Thank you so much!
Sure... thank you!!!
I’d love to get the Q3 43, the only problem it’s the price twice what I’d be willing to pay!
I can can get an alternative easily for a less than half the price and have money left over for a nice vacation!
I know everybody wants to say how wonderful the Leica is, but I can’t afford to have the camera stolen from me! And the people I know who carry them, constantly get eyeball either from fans or thieves! Be especially careful going to New Orleans!
Yes, you should always be careful. Fortunately, I haven’t had my car stolen yet…
Brilliant video Florian! Santa is bringing me a Q3 and I just can't decide what my first Leica should be 28 or 43. I have option on both from my local main Leica dealer in Dublin, Ireland.
My current line up is a Canon R1 and a Canon R3 24-70, 85mm 1.2, 70-200 and 100-500 lenses. Any further help would be awesome!
That is a hard one... As I say in the video... the 28 is more challenging but more rewarding at the same time for me... the 43 is fantastic, but it is longer... in the end it is a decision on what you like to do most with the smallest camera you will own. - Let me know what the decision in the end was...! Marry Christmas
Great pics for comparing, I'm in similar boat right now trying to decide if I should keep my Q3 28 (which I just purchased a couple weeks ago) or wait for the 43. I was coming to a similar conclusion as you and was also considering that I would use my other camera(s) to shoot with other focal lengths for sure. But I have also considered (as I'm able to afford it) keeping both and actually using the two for my travel bag alone. Otherwise I would take my Q3 28 with my Zf and a 50 f1 and 24-120 f4 as my full travel kit. Will you be getting the 43 and keeping both? Sounds like you might.
I probably will circle around the 43 for a few months and then at some point... if I can afford it... I will get it... ;-) but I will for sure keep my 28!
I have the Q3 28 but I preferred the look of 43 in every one of those photo comparisons 🤔 interesting..
Okay... intersting... I mean the 43 is fun!
i like the picture perspective
absolutely!
Ich finde beide Brennweiten Klasse, jede hat ihre eigene Stärke. Ich habe die Q3. 28 mm und dann von Ricoh das andere Format ☀️ in etwa. Natürlich nicht mit der fantastischen Bildqualität, aber durchaus gut 😊
Super Kit!! Gratuliere!
Great video. Have had the original Q, and was very satisfied, but now an M- shooter, because it’s more fun. Q cameras are fantastic but you feel more as a photographer in control when shooting a “real” Leica. Just my opinion - However, if you crop a 35 mm lens to 43 mm, what would be the factor to put on the pixel count in order to crop to the same width?
If I got my math right, the crop factor is 1,23... so a 60MP would be roughly a 39,75 MP picture.
Thanks Florian! I love your videos! I own a Q2 and looking to upgrade to Q3 - I just can’t decide on Q3 28 or 43 - if you were in my position, would you still go for the 28? Thanks for your insight :)
Last year... when I came from the Q2 to the Q3 I would have the choice... I probably would have taken the 43... My comparison brought me to the conclusion that I will stick with the 28 for the moment... the 43 is somehow easier... the 28 is more rewarding... at least for me…. so it is a really hard choice.
What do you mean by „the physics“ or the „characteristics“ of a 28mm? From a physical point of view the difference is just the megapixels you loose by cropping and more depth of field like a raise in aperture by a factor of 1.54 if you simulate the 43mm on the original Q3.
A 28mm lens cropped to a 43 looks different than a native 43mm...
@@flofroschmayer A part from the possible differences in resolution and aperture as explained the images are exactly the same. Any perceived differences are esoteric and would not stand a blind test.
40mm is a very nice focal length - but since I got a used sample the 24mm never leaves my M ....
Grüße vom anderen Kanal mit Q.
Oh... danke und grüße an den andern Kanal... ;-)
I think the 43mm is an AND camera and not necessarily an OR camera I.e. it’s complementary and not a replacement. My tuppence worth 😊👍
I think if you can afford the two it would make for an amazing travel kit. And the fact that the menus could be identical for the most part would also be great.
Yes... sure... The cool thing about the Q is that it is light and easy to travel... having two Qs is cool too... but just more to carry around.
Yes... they really are identical in handling.
@@paulboskerphotography Yeah I cant buy that argument. If you really want to change, or use two focal lengths, and you crave that 60MP sensor, then buy a SL3. Carrying two bodies around for travel...... no thanks
@@mcelliot Not for the same cost or weight.
Dankeschoen
Gerngeschehen!
Stop talking me out of thw 43!! I was dead set on upgrading till i saw this. I preferred the 28 70/30 i would say from your sample images....
I am talking me out of the 43.... ;-)
Happiness in Your Own Backyard! One question - So many reviewers of both the 28 and the 43 devote lots of discussion to the in-camera crop modes, yet these are photographers who do not use JPEGs. The feature seems irrelevant for those who focus on DNG files, no?
No, but the big sensor means you can crop big time in LR. That's the beauty of a 60meg sensor
@@kenn6592 of course, yes. In post.
@Spearmanmark Yes, if you use DNG it is irrelevant... at least for me. You can use it as preview, but of course you will have the full 43mm or 28mm to crop what you like in Lightroom.
You missed a major point, skin tones in Raw are different 28mm is more yellowish skin tone and 43mm is more natural.
Okay. Did not make skin tone comparison. Thanks for the the info!
The 28 can do most of what the 43 does, except at the furthest telelens crop (75-135) but the 43 simply cannot do what the 28 does. Simple fact that would guide my choice if I could afford either. And, no, carrying both would defeat the whole purpose…😊
Well spoken!
Zu 6:40 habe ich eine Vermutung warum du 28mm als „besser“ empfindest. Man sieht schlicht mehr und hat das Gefühl mehr Bild zu bekommen. 43mm ist dichter dran;mehr Kompression - vielleicht schöner, anders, fühlt sich im direkten Vergleich nach „weniger Bild“ an. Das Geheimnis ist: du bist zu faul! Je mehr Weitwinkel, desto näher muss man ans Motiv ran. Je mehr Tele, desto weiter muss man raus. Ich liebe mein 20mm 1,8 auf Reisen, weil ich dort faul sein kann und immer alles einfange. Für kreative Ergebnisse muss ich sehr bewusst dicht ran oder weit weg.
Probier mal folgendes aus: Fotografier einen identischen Bildausschnitt, indem du dichter oder näher mit der einen oder anderen Q ranmusst. Dann kannst du auch den echten Charakter vergleichen. ICC ist übrigens auch auf meiner Liste.
...je dichter desto mehr gefällt mir halt das 43, weil es nicht so verzerrt... und faul, ja, shit, hast mich erwischt ;-) ICC is macht Spaß
If I see this video, cropping does makes sense: ruclips.net/video/_TTXY1Se0eg/видео.htmlsi=8OHB4zk-f1Cjwb1_
Yes... but when the subject is to close, it looks strange... so from a certain distance with certain objects.