JRE DEBATE: "How Could Nature Create That?"
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Graham Hancock, formerly a foreign correspondent for "The Economist," has been an international bestselling author for more than 30 years with a series of books, notably "Fingerprints of the Gods," "Magicians of the Gods" and "America Before," which investigate the controversial possibility of a lost civilization of the Ice Age destroyed in a global cataclysm some 12,000 years ago. Graham is the presenter of the hit Netflix documentary series "Ancient Apocalypse."
Flint Dibble is an archaeologist at Cardiff University who has conducted field work and laboratory analyses around the Mediterranean region from Stone Age caves to Egyptian tombs to Greek and Roman cities. Flint enjoys sharing archaeology - from the nitty gritty to the grand - with people around the world. Subscribe to his RUclips channel, "Archaeology with Flint Dibble," or follow him on X/Twitter for behind-the-scenes deep dives into 21st century archaeology.
Clip taken from JRE #2136 w/ Graham Hancock & Flint Dibble
Host: Joe Rogan
Guests: Graham Hancock & Flint Dibble
Producer: Jamie Vernon
#jre #joerogan 
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Bro is dressed up like there might be 3 raccoons standing on eachothers shoulders under that coat.
😂
I kept waiting him to blurt out, "They killed Kenny! Hehehe"😂
🤣🤣
Inspector gadget is a hater
Nah he’s logical and rational
Logical and rational. The person calling him names instead of making rebuttals is the hater, ironically
He did not make himself look good. He acted like a bratty child and came off very unlikable.
@@RolandSpecialSauce "He did not make himself look good."
Ever heard of the word bias? 😘
@christianbrandel7437 Don't waste your time, you can't win. It's like a religion, they have faith.
Damn that expedition found a frozen road full of sliding cars, now yhats definitely man made
That ending was unexpected af lol
in india of all places
"This does not look man made to me, it doesnt look like anything I've ever seen."
😂😂😂
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Lol.
Bro outed himself
You didn’t understand, didn’t you.
“We couldn’t build a square like this today”
Just wearing a hat doesn’t make you Indiana Jones!
“I’m being bullied in school”
“Who’s bullying you?”
“Flint Dibble.”
when you order indiana jones from wish
Dismiss any and all evidence without ever have being there...sounds like a typical academic. Afraid to step out of the air-conditioning.
We’re all on cybertron. We gotta alert Optimus.
"could these be beachrock"? Graham Hancock: "what's beachrock"?
Those under water structures are very interesting. The way dude just dismissed them was weird to me. At the very least the photos can garner some further investigation, no ?
When your friend shows you holiday photos it's the most boring shit ever 🤣
Legit LOL
Dibble/Hotez ?
Those structures in the water off the coast in Japan have always peaked my interest. How anyone can say they're natural formations is beyond me.
Its almost impossible to get a positive reaction from a person who is absolutely convinced and believes that it is not possible. It goes against the core of his character. He must disagree to keep his ego alive. If not his reason to exists, his "skeptic" persona dies. And you can see this guy is FULLY into his character, look at that outfit. He IS his character.
I couldn't tell who you were describing til the end, they both believe heavily for their own reasons, but if you watched most of the full podcast, you'd see flint pull up statistics and evidence and dates, but Grahams defense was "you haven't looked enough" and "I've been here hundreds of times, and this guy agreed with me so I'm right"
Idk just seems hypocritical
@thetaxman3386 my favorite part is how when discussing the stone "stairs" Graham starts talking about some cool site, he claims Flint "hasn't been there" so how can he comment on anything, then Jaimie pulls a photo from half the planet away and Graham thinks that's it...
Cheap tactics, lying.. He started so strong describing how archeologists with non-established opinions are shunned, but with this context it was probably half-truth too..
@@ablazedguy yeah, I still like Graham as a person and I think he has some important ideas but the way he goes about explaining and showing off his ideas can almost seem theatrical yk
Or maybe, just maybe, he understands the threshold of archaeological truth better than an MMA commentator, a guy with a sociology degree, and a bunch of conspiracy theorists on social media
Flint has actual scientific evidence backing up his points and Graham has "but it looks like."
I dont know if Graham's theory is right, but i agree with him that theres not enough information to discount it completely.
The problem with his theory is that there is no evidence to support the theory. The burden of proof falls upon him because it's his theory.
You can't really disprove anything. It's on people like Graham to prove it and he cannot because there is no evidence supporting his assertions beyond "it looks like this other thing."
this is why we need to keep bullying the weak . only the strong may flourish
Inspector Gadget has his head up his arse.
Sure pal, don't you an appointment with your bum and nose with 45?
Whatever came before had their own version of ww3.
You might want to fire your editor.
If nature can make platypus; it can make pyramids.
Things the MIB say after they neuralyzer you.
Send a college boy home and let The Man handle things
"Send the guy who might know what he's talking about home, only room for alphas and conspiracy theories here buster"
yeah the guy who actually has facts and evidence vs Graham “you hurt my feelings” Hancock
@@justinmuse7095not the brightest are you lol the elites and politicians love people like you easy to control
@@justinmuse7095go get you 56th booster is science facts you need it lol
I get the scientific approach of dibble but keeping an open mind doesnt hurt
That dudes hands are so tiny he must be drinking out of a shot glass...
I take the wet-behind-the-ears youngster very seriously, because of his real man-beard and Indiana Jones costume.
I laughed out, in my opinion, a bit too loud upon reading your comment. The only reason I think I did so was because of how absolutely spot on you are.
Dude in the hat is not a very observant person.
And pontificates much 😂
No. He just isn’t subscribing to what Joe and graham are “ believing” in. Unlike you and dozens of others who want to believe
Ironically enough he’s a supposed archeologist
He's like a child.😂
Like a bratty child.
My Dada did it.
Graham's entire worldview centers on "This looks like something so I refuse to learn more and I am going to assume my kneejerk uneducated assumption is correct and I am going to cry if people try to explain what it really is."
It's embarrassing for y'all that it works on you.
The priest from the Omans on JRE
6:01 The dumbest thing I’ve ever heard anyone say … This Indiana Jones kid is in pure denial 😂😂😂
There is no evidence. Graham is seeing what he wants to see AND he's supposing since he's never seen anything like it, it's not possible to be natural.
Nature makes squares and straight lines all the time.
If his evidence is straight lines, then he's crazy.
It actually does look natural and can be found anywhere in the world. Only low iq Neanderthals entertain Hancock and his story telling 😂
Post another man made structure that looks like that.
@@maddog76 a square? You've never seen a square before?
@@maddog76 I’ve seen natural structures that looks 100x better
They call it lie-dar for a reason.
Flint.Dribble
Science never "Rules Out" anything.
Discovery isn't predictable.
Peer review will lead to a solid theory eventually.
Any "Scientist" who discusses someone's character and not their research, isn't a "Scientist."
Well a global ancient super civilisation during a specific era with no evidence at all can be dismissed until a real evidence is there. Graham even says there is no evidence yet.
So yeah, he is basically saying you cant rule out Narnia doesnt exist because you have not checked every wardrobe yet.
Mm Ari & this guy huh
The guy on the left might be dorky, but he's right.
You look at the image at 5:10 and tells me he’s right 😂
@@stuffylamb3420 what about it is impossible to have formed over millions of years? Are you saying that we have done enough research that we can 100% say there could be no natural way to form flat rocks?
Or do you think ancient people were 4 times as tall as us so that they could walk these?
@@stuffylamb3420 You obviously didn't pay attention in geology class.
Soyjack lose every time
They hate graham for being right lol damn
That's not a man wearing a hat, it's a hat wearing a man, and you must be wary of things such as that. Wary indeed.
You will NEVER find someone that loves the word “megalith” more than this guy
Yep. Megalith just means "big stone."
Dude wears an Indiana Jones hat and thinks that makes him legit...meanwhile Hancock is diving these sites all over the world!
What an absolute dibble 😂
seeing something in person means nothing if you have no fucking idea how to analyze it
@@justinmuse7095 Relax champ. It's just a youtube comment...
@@Benito_CognitoWell you cared enough to make it
@@justinmuse7095 And you cared enough to respond after getting all triggered...
Maybe have a Bex and a good lie down 🤔
@@Benito_Cognitoidk you seemed more triggered to me
graham sounds ill ill he could be on the way out soon, hope all is okay
Flint Dibble was absolutely destroyed in this debate. He's obviously trying to protect his father's work, which will all be debunked if Graham is right. Flint can't contend with the thought of his dad wasting his entire life, simple.
Bet that's his dad's suit too
What? Did you watch the whole episode. He was embarrassed over and over again. He had zero evidence. There is no global civilization that would rival the technology of 1900’s. It’s total bullshit.
You must have watched a different debate because flint brought evidence while graham's entire point was they haven't looked enough which is silly
@@theblackgods4699no that’s his response to why archaeologists can’t categorically say there is no lost civilisation. What he is showing in the video is his evidence, it’s fairly simple
@@Bingobanana4789he even say in one point that he has no evidence, watch at the 2hour mark in the podcast, even Rogan it’s doubting
4:54 But for all this stuff that is supposedly man-made, there is no carving or any other ornament or decoration that would tell you for sure that it is. Cracks in rock, sediment-;layers, chemical reactions all create folds and cracks and this kind of thing. You have a rocky outcrop on the right with a big horizontal gap carved through it , presumably naturally and then on the left a piece which looks pretty similar just turned 90 degrees, like a piece fell off. Nothing here screams man-made. Its almost conspicuous by its absence.
An earthquake or volcanic eruption long ago could surely have done this?
Grams voice changed alot
Who's gram?
I thought that too… it definitely did change a bit
Yes I found odd. More notable when just listening
Meds most likely
This is a real lioe reddit mod
Hancock and Baby Indi...Nah believe neither. Like the 'Santa' show.
Loved Graham’s Netflix series
Why does t have to be man made. Because ppl want it to be it’s not proof cuz it looks like it
They were both being petulant.
The spoken guy sounded like he was being pretty reasonable, not petulant. Its not petulant to make points to support your case
@@maximisatwat Did you watch the full video? They were going back and forth with snarky and dismissive comments and gotcha questions.
6:30 probably Google's old computer or or CERN jk
Half the podcast is graham being a victim
Graham gets way too emotional and takes everything way too personal
He's a passionate guy, and he says he gets a huge amount of flack from other archeologists
Think of it this way, the waterline of the entire world went up 30 meters (100 feet) if that happened fast old timey jaws would be chowin down on these people
Very common learned personality that's found in most areas of crackpot speculation. He can't entertain the possibility that he's just not correct in his interpretation of observations.
This isn't even to say that he's absolutely, completely wrong, but that he's Dunning-Kruger'd his way into a pompous attitude towards anyone who suggests he might not have the level of understanding he believes himself to have.
Yeah I think it’s likely that civilization is much older than previously believed, but there’s some definite red flags with this guy. Still I enjoy his work and think that the theory has some merit.
What?
@@vyzion980 Graham gets too emotional and takes everything too personally. Not sure why you needed it typed out again. You can just reread the original comment until you get it. Alternatively, you can ask an actual question. You're the only one lost here.
The continuation of denying Jesus Christ, yet describing the Holy Bible without the Holy Father.
There's no doubt the Bible was ever written though. There is zero proof Christ exists.
Ok my real question is how could people in ancient times move when they didn't have helicopters? Obviously aliens had to move them from point A to point B. What do you mean boats? Can you imagine a flimsy boat that you could cross a sea on? Draw what it looked like, oh you don't know? You see that big flat rock in the ground, that's clearly a helipad..
Big catapults launched everything, that's why these structures ended up in the ocean and in the middle of the rainforest.
hello world
Is that you Danny?
How they carried the granite blocks of hundreds of tons each for 500 miles in ancient egypt is a mystery. Dont bring me the wet sand bullshit roflmao
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Yonguni is not natural. Dude needs glasses.
How did his parents know he was going to look like that when they named him as an infant?? Both of them look like their names but Flint Dibble??
Over 200 dives and not a single artifact? Sure seems convenient.
explain what u mean please..
@@mackjones8409 he thinks if it was a real site of interest you would find artifacts - things that are definitely man made.
He probably not really thinking about the scale of time they're talking about. One thousands years exposed in the sea most of everything you could easily pick up will be gone or buried. 14,000 years or whatever scale they looking at I cant imagine much will be visible. They would really surely be looking at an underwater excavation which cant be easy.
@@maximisatwat what??? There have been over 3,000,000 ship wrecks recovered and thousands of artifacts from hunter gathers recovered from the ocean. Dibble says in the episode that the ocean is great at preserving artifacts. I believe there are cave paintings that have been discovered under water that are dated 40,000 years old. Come on? Not one artifact for Hancocks theories?
@@maximisatwat “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”-Carl Sagan
It’s so blatantly obviously man made is this guy serious? This is an example of people digging in and not reversing on scientific ideas because they don’t want to admit they’ve been wrong for this long as experts. Scientists do this a lot, even as far back as the world being called flat. It’s going to take much more to finally get them to admit this is man made despite it being obvious.
Cant stand people like Flint.
School boy showed up in a costume
Young fellah has a lot to learn.... But credit for engaging and debating. ❤ Should get into some of dem alphabrains.... 😂
LoL
Like what? He requires evidence. graham provides none. Graham is a Bigfoot story guy, he likes the stories and stories are enough evidence for him.
Nature makes straight lines all the time. To say they aren't natural shows graham has no clue about nature.
All one needs to do is look at the craftsmanship of the Cathedrals around the world, which no one can reproduce today, and realize that it's very feasible that technology existed 2000 + years ago, that has been lost. Main Stream Archaeologists need to get out of the idea that our ancestors were technologically hindered.
I think the key is sound. I believe they advanced in a different way than we have.
@@nmorgan2380 Our point of reference for propulsion systems, in our current civilization, is Petroleum based Fuels. Because that is where we automatically look. If you were raised to reference Gravity as a propulsion source, or harnessing the opposite polarities of magnets, the possibilities are endless.
Wtf are you talking about? We can't build cathedrals today?? Are you one of those people who thinks for example that Roman concrete was some super technology that we can't replicate? 😂😂
@@ablazedguy Find one craftsman that can carve or lay stone by hand that equals the craftsmanship of the Gothic Cathedral building era. Today we have huge behemoths of churches that are void of creativity and are just unimaginative buildings. You know what I meant, yet you just want to argue.
@roostershooter76 you're conflating skill with technology. Perhaps there are no stone maisons that can create stones that beautiful anymore, but there has never been a maison who can make a more perfect cube than a cnc machine. A robotic arm with a drill can still make a more perfect beautiful stone, but nobody will spend the time and money to program such detail. When you have several centuries to make your cathedral and you're making it slowly by hand anyways, it's not that much extra work to make it prettier. While there definitely is lost technology, your example doesn't really confirm it. It would be hard, for example, to build a steam car today, there's tons of techniques that no craftsman knows today and you could very easily argue that old steam cars were prettier than today's automobiles, but we have better cars today even though their visual design is limited by what you can make out of affordable light materials and what fits on the pre-made car body. But you could still make a slow steam car today, but you couldn't make a gasoline car that goes over 200 kph back then, it doesn't matter how skilled your factory workers were, you just couldn't. Archeology can make such estimates about required technology to create something.
Dude roll playing his Indiana Jones costume hard
They all try and beat Graham with what they have been taught not one of them can knock him off his perch keep up the good work
You do realize that Graham had to admit that even geologist that he took there concluded that these are natural?
Yes there are holes in current archeological understanding, but if you compare them to holes in Graham's wild claims designed to sell books to naive overgrown kids, it's like comparing a bacteria to an elephant..
What has Graham actually proven?
I have no stake in this either way but I can't see how any of this is man made
What's the rational explanation?
I don't mean the desperate clinging to orthodoxy, but the actual explanation that might debunk this stuff?
We all can tell you're ✡️, don't pretend to play devil's advocate
so you believe dibble? its all nature?
if so thats your rational explanation there, nature.
if not nature and not man, then what
@@pickle4scooters I am not making a judgment - I lean man made
I just don’t understand the arguments of Dibble
Other than just blind adherence to orthodoxy
@Merknilash that seems to be most archaeologists that "debate" grahem, they seem to think in the same box so i dont know either
@@Merknilash Dibble must protect the work of his father, or his father's legacy dies to Graham's work. This is true for many archaeologists.
Fourth comment
Definitely gay
Dibble is overwhelmingly snarky and arrogant.
7th comment
Gay
Grahm has produced trash his whole life. How about we ditch the lies.
How about you find the courage to remove your head outta your ass and stop living in denial. It’s mainstream archeology which has LIED, LIED AND LIED SOME MORE🫡
@@dogthatshags I am not speaking about mainstream Archeology. I am talking about Grahm Hancock being a paid disinfo agent. If he were right he'd have been silenced 30 years ago.
@@batzzz2044 Whats the motive to pay him to lie?
@@michaeljackson8002 project bluebeam?
Christ he's a cry baby.
Flint literally sounds like an undergrad student than an expert. He was completely out matched by Graham. His statement that doesn’t look like anything I’ve seen before so therefore is not man made sounds dogmatic and close minded.
Watch Minuteman hancock debunk series if your tiny brain can handle real archeology , you might learn something and stop believing in fairy tales
@@georgecortes853 but but how could they have built pyramids without spaceships lifting the big stones up? How could people have hidden from the cold without electric space heaters?
How could ancient people eat without modern supermarkets existing?
this is a repost! get some new shit joe
This is not Joe's channel, he doesnt have youtube channel anymore cu she moved to Spotify.
That little boy needs to stay in a childs place god damnit
Which one
Graham and Joe shared a big spliff at the end of this when the nerd left.
Graham is awesome
Why bro's hands so small?
Butler from scream ( catch my strong hand )
Poop flakes
nature can build complex multi-cellular life forms(ex:Humans)... but it can't put some rocks in a circle...Think before u speak people
we wuz an advanced civilization advanced bros
Graham isn't a very intellectually honest guy. He likes the fantastical stories and ignores real evidence.
He might be drawn to this type of evidence. But that is a false statement
@morganwin296 not really. A lot of things he says are unexplainable have explanations that the actual scholars accept.
These are people who spent their whole lives in one area of research. Graham is a journalist who writes about stories he's heard. He's not a professional and he ignores evidence and accepted answers to push nonsense conspiracy theories.
He's trying to sell his books. He's a very old version of tiktok conspiracies, that's it. He's no different than a 30 second tiktok claiming false information.
Pull YOUR head outta your ass mate and stop living in denial because in the next 5-25 years, you’ll all be proven wrong when our sun micronova’s.
@dogthatshags dude, I used to love graham too. But I also looked into what others say and they disprove pretty much everything graham says WITH EVIDENCE.
Graham ignores evidence on purpose so he can shoehorn alternative ideas into those areas.
I'll give you an example, the map he's always saying is proof of atlantis.... it's Puerto Rico, turned sideways. It matches perfectly, and the map has snakes on it. What is known for having snake, Puerto Rico or Antarctic?
Graham knows this, but he ignores it to push his book narratives so he can sell his books.
Sorry, but actual scholars have done actual work on these things. The actual.schilars say graham is a nutcase and they SHOW PROOF OF IT.
@dogthatshags here's another example graham being dishonest.
There is a pyramid structure built onto a volcano. Graham insists on a hollow area found well beneath the structures in the volcano being a secret chamber, with no evidence. He even claims archeology is hiding this from the public.
The truth is, the actual scholars admit that they don't know what it is. BUT using the evidence at hand, it's thought to be just a typical laval tube since that type of rock and volcanos creatensuch gaps in mountains. The evidence suggests this as the hollow area is very below any structure and deep into the mountain.
That's dishonesty. Graham doesn't even mention the possibility of it being a lava tube. He insists it's a secret chamber and throws accusations around because the actual professionals won't accept NO EVIDENCE as evidence for his idea.
He's a fucking child. He hides things. He lies about things.
Never forget people were executed for saying the sun didn't revolve around the Earth and that the Earth was not flat
Who?
That never happened. People have known for thousands of years, since the time of ancient Greece, that the Earth is spherical.
ruclips.net/video/G8cbIWMv0rI/видео.html
No one was executed for denying an Earth-centric universe. Prove me wrong.
Allahu Ahkbar
I think Flint Dribble should put his dad's suit back in the closet and crawl back to his crystal tower. Hehehehe
"hehehehe"
'Redpillpirate-
the question in the clip; "how could nature do this?" ya tell me how nature can accidently create DNA and RNA, you think its inpressive for a circle to happen naturally inside of a square but yall are ignoring how increadibly, IMPOSSIBLY complex DNA is. it did not happen by accident, it was not nature, it was the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the one the glory and credit should go to for creation.
That’s not even what the Bible says. Jesus didn’t exist before he was born you doofus. Why don’t you say God create it? Jesus only exists a little more than 2000 years.
Nothing against religion, whatever helps you and your neighbor sleep at night, but denying proof and evidence of nature in exchange for "the lord" or "god" has and will always be the silliest thing religious people buy into, I'm sorry but if your God only exists if eveloution is wrong, then your God is goofy
(I'm aware not every religious person dismisses evolution, just seems like your the type)
JRE bros are upset because more and more Graham Hancock is being exposed as the goofball he is
😂 sure... Whatever delusions get you through the day😂
@@user-ii1iy8fz1d says the people that believe s story with zero evidence to back it up no artifacts no structures no material culture. Your entire argument is " you haven't looked enough so I can't be wrong "
This dude is just a hype man, dude seems a trench and a mound and can’t comprehend it
these dudes are both clowns lol
Hancock’s evidence is always that something “looks” manmade
“It’s not like anything I’ve ever seen before”
That proves Graham right ya Wally💀
Actually it doesn't it resembles no land based architecture even in the regions its closest to . Why would that be the case ? What evidence do you have of it being man made . Something looking man made is not evidence of it being man made
Does anyone meet Flint for more than 10 minutes and retain any respect for the man?
You say this on a 8 minute video where he talks for about a minute💀👍
@@thetaxman3386 I listened to the pod, but let's be honest his little hat and weak chin do the job.
@@poopsiclemcgee1134 ig but by that standard most of Joe's guests are nerds
Graham Hancock 1 vs Flint Dibble 0
Joe should know better than to bring on this childish whiner in a bad hat, bring someone to debate that has evidence, not just "nah nah, I don't think so". I don't know about these water stones, but this talking pile of sh*t to the left of Graham is certainly not natural lol
Maybe you should stop watching short form content and having such strong opinions about it? Just sayin if you watched the full podcast you'd see flint grab folders and statistic sheets, and Graham pull up vacation photos💀
Ask Dibble who he voted for & you'll have an explanation to his idiocy. Nice hat you pompous ass.
I normally save the term "pompous ass" for people who judge others based on one aspect of their life
@@thetaxman3386 you're a bot
@@_Cicero_ and you and yo mama a thot, but you ain't here me say that
I hate to say it, but I think Graham lost Joe.
OMG How much are these ‘archeologists’ being paid to behave completely ignorant and/or blatantly lie about our history??? How can anyone take them seriously because all I see is them making total fools of themselves. Good onya Graham Hancock, the awakened are behind you mate.
Anyone who calls themselves the "awakened" probably don't know alot about what they preach