Does not ah???? Well, when we had killed 2 million of German Civilians at a loss of ZERO American ones in order to destroy the Nazi Regime ,does that correlate to you? When Red Army had stormed Berlin and was destroying all that moved with its Artillery Fire and Katiusha Salvos , killing tens of thousands German civilians in the process --were there people like you today , telling them : "stop , you killing German children " ?? or every body were just pushing them on - finish the Bastard State ? Use some basic thinking , not your bias against Jewish people that you been condition to have with bullshit lies over 2000 years if you re in Christian world and 1400 years if you re in Muslim world.
Excuse me, as a European, my great grandfather did not shove any Jew into any oven. Be specific about who did that and maybe those people should offer part of their state to the Jewish people.
@@JohnnyRingo-c5v when there's inoccent people getting hurt, that statement is indeed an eyebrow raise, HAMA did the act, not all the people. Yes if people agree with them that's different, talking the people who didn't do nothing n are trapped.
@5dollarshake263 planning on addressing any of them? Or should the free world never wage war against people who put their military HQ underneath their own hospitals? 🏥
Ah, the good old Western propaganda on the JRE. "Britain had to make a decision to go fight the Nazis"..... he simply "forgot" to mention who actually ENDED the war. THE SOVIETS. To the UK and the US, war means business, and profits, the longer a war lasts, the better for the billionaires running the show. By the way, the only country that is still legally allowed to rally out in public, flying a swastika flag is the United States, everywhere else on the planet, it's illegal. In early 1945, Allied troops entered Germany. By mid-April, the SOVIETS had encircled the German capital of Berlin. On April 30, 1945, Adolf Hitler killed himself. The German armed forces surrendered unconditionally in the west on May 7 and in the east on May 9, 1945, bringing an end to World War II in Europe. You're welcome, Britain.
Is trying to wipe out the few remaining Jews in the world justified? They have to fight for their very survival. Its completely insane that people dont understand this.
Sometimes you got to do terrible things to survive. That is life. a lot of people in the comments dont understand this about life but their children will.
He's out of his mind. US is the big dog with all the money and weapons. We should control Israel not the other way around. Why the US hasn't told them to stop the genocide is a question we all deserve an answer to? Why are we letting our little bitch in the middle east cause all this trouble?
I have a psychological issues . I struggle to get over it and I work hard on it. But I can tell you , when I lie, I literally don’t feel any problem. It comes so normal. The lie detector doesn’t now sense a thing . I tried it . These guys like this.
The discussion in this war is absurd. First. Israel acted selflessly to live in peace with the Palestinians in Gaza. It was more than a decade ago when Israel itself ordered Israeli citizens who had lived there for decades to literally leave their homes. The first thing the Palestinians did in return was to elect a government that enshrined the goal of destroying Israel in the constitution. The elected government followed through with its promise. Since its founding, thousands of rockets have flown into Israeli settlement areas. Dozens of civilians died in terrorist attacks. Millions of aid funds - intended for civilian institutions - were misused to sponsor this terrorism. October 7th was just what Humus had been doing for years. Secondly. Israel behaved more humanely in this conflict than any other conceivable party in any imaginable conflict. It allowed Palestinians to work in Israel, receive medical care or even migrate to Israel. During war, they warn civilians where their military is operating. They admit collateral damage and apologize for it. The situation is clear. In no other conflict the responsibility for the suffering has been so one sided and clear - in no other conflict have the perpetrators been held accountable so weakly. People with voice and power who claim to reject war and the nature of war have a duty to unequivocally name the culprit of this war and do everything in their power to eliminate them. Everything else is responsibility for the resulting suffering and is as history has proved continuing this madness.
@@jankaufmann4305 yeah cause humus are literally a death cult that see pally deaths as heroism even for kids, they don't care about their own lives let alone pally people, all they wanna do is keep doing oct7ths and even at larger scales if they could, up to the ultimate scale. yet millions in the west march and protest for them =)) the post-truth society is a wild place
the irony of saying uprising for independence is justified but saying Palestinians are the moral low ground and anti-Semitic for attacking Israel is unspeakable.
We are our guys and they are their guys. When it comes to survival or high threat incidents, good guy bad guy gets blurred. Are you going to be a good guy to someone holding a gun to your child's head if you get 1 moment of opportunity? Now put that perspective across a broad region.
And where is the error? Bunch of Muslims trying to kill the same group of people. This people fight back because they want to live. Very very simple. You probably can't understand that cause you also lives in a good and safe country.
Listening to your logic is unsetlling. You: "Look Israel I know that for 70 years the Palestinian government has supported, funded, and taught terrorists who rape, murder, and kill Jews simply because they are Jews, but you should just lay down and take it. I mean look, even though we are rewarding terrorists by refusing to kill them if they hide behind their own familie's lives, not to mention allowing them to repeat more attacks on your own women and children in the future, it's still wrong to try to kill them." The inverted morality is shocking to see.
“Innocent people do not deserve to die” When Hamas says they will conduct October 7 attacks again and again, that is exactly what Israel is trying to prevent. Why can’t you see that if you don’t want endless innocent deaths year after year ?
The amount of factual selectivity makes me wanna throw up. Maybe just start with the fact that Israel is in a apartheid state? As deemed by nearly every human rights group out there. INCLUDING THOSES IN ISRAEL
No kidding. I've never seen anything so evil. We are seeing children being killed and amputated every day, most with no anesthetics. They are an Apartheid State. The idf is full of shit. Lies, lies, lies.
Sure 75 years ago and every freakin year after that. Your colonialist mindset will not let you see that. You can’t just get away with it. Call them whatever you like, they have every right whatsoever to rise up against the people oppressing and occupying them
Sorry man you had to be put through that I tried to join the military at 19 but I had a withdrawal Caesar from alcohol from bad choices I wanted to be a fighter pilot and fly f-16s and if I couldn't fly them I wanted to fly the f-15 strike eagle thank you for your service❤❤❤❤
Classic anti-Israeli non sequitur. He is talking about young western ignoramuses who support Hamas because they are "oppressed". They aren't. If they used the billions in aid money the west has sent them for anything other than making their leaders in Qatar billionaires and bombs, they could be a flourishing people. But they aren't and they are two b*tch made to admit it's their own fault.
I disagree, I think it’s pretty understandable considering how many smart political commentators there are in media, most with diverse opinions on this debate & many other political debates, and Joe is only 1 guy with 2 other careers, with tons of hobbies and he interviews people only he personally finds interesting from ALL walks of life…ironically at the beginning of this episode, Joe actually jokes about the frustration of there being so many interesting people he wants to talk to, yet only so much time & availability. I am sure he will have him on someday
Nah it was more like not wanting innocent civilians to be killed over and over and over again. Whereas they take out Hamas now and it should be over unless palestine attacks again
Dude definitely expected Joe to just fold on him and agree. It's not ok to kill innocent people, it doesn't matter how many words you use to explain it, how much it was done in the past, or whose homeland you're attempting to establish.
He didn't say killing innocent people is "ok". He said the deaths of innocent people is unfortunately unavoidable in war. Especially when their own government is using them as Human Shields, building bunkers under their homes, fighting out of uniform, and firing from behind them.
@@dshappir watch it again man. Joe makes a point that he wouldn't be ok with "unavoidable" deaths if they were Jewish. Bombing a hospital is not "unavoidable".
See Dresden, WWII. Civilian deaths are always terrible, but this war was started by an action of terror by Hamas, whose strategy is always using civilian human shields. Why did they never build bomb shelters for their people in 15 years? They were receiving billions in aid.
@littlecatfeet9064 you do realize that Dresden was condemned by the allies and why international law was created...at this point why even discuss war crimes?
“They need their own country because of what we (Europe) did to them 80 years ago.” Very good point. But then why not give them land in Europe? Why use them to displace a population of people (who had nothing to do with the terrible things that were done to the Jewish people) who have lived on a land for generations and then act surprised when those displaced people don’t want to give up their rights to their land. That is where the problem and conflict started. Not Oct 7.
Jewish people are INDIGENOUS to the LAND OF ISRAEL according to *ALL* archeological, anthropological, genetic, biological, & verbal evidence. Even during the Diaspora, there has *always* remained a steady Jewish presence in that land...Palestine isnt even an Arabic word, it was renamed Judea-Palestina by the ROMANS when they conquered the area, & since then there has *never been* an independent country named Palestine ever (the Arabic language doesn't even have the letter P). Just bec European Jews have adapted European looks (biological adaptation 101 btw) bec they migrated there centuries ago after being expelled by the Romans etc, that doesn't negate anything. Besides, what about all the ethnic Sefardi Jews that arent European?! You know the ~850k that were ethnically cleansed from Arab countries? Ahhhh so conveniently forgotten about eh? 🤨🤨...so why should Jewish people be "given" a Homeland anywhere but where they've already been residing for thousands of years?
What did Europe do? It was only after several major Israeli terror attacks against the British did they pull out of the mandate and gave it back to the U.N. General Assembly. On 29 November 1947 the UN General Assembly voted on the partition plan, ADAOPTED BY 33 VOTES TO 13 with 10 abstentions. The Jewish side accepted the UN plan for the establishment of two states. The Arabs rejected it and launched a war of annihilation against the Jewish state.
@@SirrMelvin Yes, Jewish people of Arab descent have lived in Palestine forever, and peacefully coexisted with other Arabs of different faiths (Muslims and Christians). Regardless of what you choose to call the land, the conflicts, which continue to this day and have only become bloodier over time, began after Western nations chose to declare the state of Israel on that land and displace the indigenous people with Europeans. Even Palestinian Jews in the Westbank are not treated the same as Israeli Jews. You don’t have to agree with me, but at some point we all have to acknowledge the truth. I don’t believe in the slaughter of any people, regardless of what they believe or where they come from. God gave us life and placed us here on Earth to live in peace. We are the ones who have chosen to make war with one another instead.
@@bodasactra I was quoting Brendan O’Neill, hence the quotation marks around the statement. And he was referencing the atrocities committed by the Nazis during the Holocaust.
@@FordeTough You agree with it. Israel was approved by the U.N. and created by the Jews themselves fighting off Arab coalition invasion they day they declared a state, its forged with Jewish blood. The Arab invasions displaced Muslims. Israel's constitution stated all were welcome and many stayed. Israel today has over 21% equal Muslim citizens, 2 million people. Muslim states cleansed all their Jews out of spite.
It’s become a Trend where people just support hamas and Palestine without thinking. Both sides have their faults, with Israel being the main aggressor but don’t think for one minute that hamas are the good guys. They’re benefitting from this conflict
The real question is who put hamas in power? There is plenty of evidence to sho that israel helped hamas so they could keep the conflict going istead of having to settle for the 2 state solution
@@Do27gg What country? Gaza is flattened and the Hamas leaders are dead. Yet they are still getting bomb and have there access to food, water, and electricity completely cut off. Israel still hasnt let any reporters into Gaza a year latee this has clearly become a genocide.
And getting worse. Mossad is full power right now with shutting down the protests and putting sheep like this guy in front of cameras. He says make a moral judgement, I don’t think he knows what morals are.
It's pretty bold to keep asking the question of what is "morally" right, yet still implying the answer is: "killing innocent civilians is a means to an end."
Your ignorance about war, the history of war, and the laws of war, is just proof of the total failure of the educational system. I don't hold that against you. What I do hold against you is offering an opinion about something about which you know nothing.
This is NOT a war. The Palestinians do NOT have any military, no army, no soldiers no tanks, no jets, no bombs, no drones, etc, nothing to defend themselves with!! The other side is armed to the teeth from the No.1 military industrial complex in the world.
Have you been to war? That is the reality of war! That is part of war, you can't wage wars and be polite! That's why we should avoid war, and hamas started it!
@@waterbear1337 That is what happens between combatants . Not against unarmed civilians . You are calling war crimes . War Gazans are occupied people . They don’t have a sovereign state This is a genocide aided by USA
@@jaredmello what's your point? I don't NEED to suppost anything. I don't have to say one's better. I'm not a serious thinker because I said killing innocent people is wrong?
@@forgot2wipe it is naive because any country who is at war will inevitably kill civilians. Look up what America did to Dresden Germany. We drone striked the funerals of terrorists under Obama. It happens in every war, and war is awful. But some ways are just.
The most ironic part of this whole dialogue was when he talks about "just" causes for wars and mentions populations fighting against "colonialism" He doesn't even realize.....
@@HankSemoreButzit’s because everyone knows how Israel was created, the crimes that were committed… Humanity isn’t going to let this one go. Sorry zionist…
by an absolute mob of useful idiots. they are the people he's describing who don't know history, don't understand warfare, doesn't understand hamas and who've been indoctrinated to believe anyone who's not part of western civilization is good and we are evil. i'm guessing its bot or brigading. otherwise we're doomed as a civilization
Yeah, that paid Al Jazeera mouthpiece who can vomit lies with a straight face who openly admits that she doesn`t even know really what happened on Oct. 7, but that does not prevent her from parroting the lies to accuse Israel of every imaginable crime. What a waste of human life
My grandparents were young jews that managed to flee Lithuania just before the war. Most their family were taken to the end of a forest and shot dead. Local Lithuanians took part in the violence. We jews deserve to have a country. ✡️🇮🇱
You must be a Muslim, you must ask Allah to show you the truth, read the Quran and you will find that Allah preferred the Children of Israel over the worlds and also the Prophet Muhammad is mentioned in the Tanakh I think
No it isn’t. One side is a bunch of barbaric terrorists and the other is actually adhering to the international rules of engagement no matter how much people lie and say they aren’t. One side is a real nation and the other is a fairytale that is actually the moniker adopted by the Romans in 135AD for the Jewish Kingdom of Judeah and has never existed at any point in history
@chivomartinez If you read history, after the Islamic conquest, Spain became one of the richest countries, and Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived in luxury until the Crusades came. Which carried out massacres against Jews, Muslims, and opposing Christians. If what you are saying is true, the Spaniards would still hate Muslims, but anyone who reads history knows that the largest massacres in Spain were at the hands of campaigns Crusader
@@theearthisntflat5863Jews did NOT live in luxury under Spanish rule...ever heard of the Inquisition?! Literally one of the biggest forms of persecution against the Jewish people happened under Spanish & Portuguese rule in the 14/1500s...Jews were almost never living in great conditions...something gentiles generally agreed on across the board historically was that they hated Jewish people. Muslims 🫱🏻🫲🏼Christians 🫱🏻🫲🏼Catholics🫱🏻🫲🏼Pagans all hated Jews historically speaking..
@@Zygorhiza Criminals like Benjamin Mileikowsky (with his fake name as Netanyahu, the Polish criminal, are coming from other sides of the world and *THEY DO NOT BELONG TO PALESTINE.* *AND PALESTINE DOESN'T BELONG TO THEM.*
I was about to call this guy out for being a genocide supporting toerags but after reading the posts I can see the community has already done it. Good work
genocide to an people who have grown greatly in numbers? tell me how i am wrong when i say: Israel does not want all pallestinians dead. The pallestinians support organisation Hamas who clearly say they want all jews to die. you, 'watchtingyoutoo' , are the supporter of genocide and you are claerly way to dumb to see it.
Whether he did or didn't is utterly irrelevant he was highlighting just how ignorant this generation is because they've never had to fight for anything they have
@ianjones2731 I'm an Iraq vet and am pro Palestine. Have I never fought for anything I have? I know the Iraq war was a sham job and bs propaganda spewed by my govt but isn't that the whole point we're missing here. The people we allow to stay in charge are ruining this world. Somehow we outnumber the establishment yet we continue to let this trash go on and these dip do's try to justify it. Maybe if a certain group of people hadn't stolen land from another group of people and then lock them within a fence and take away their basic human rights we wouldn't have all these problems.
2:23 So it's right for them to take the country of someone else just because they were wronged in the past themselves. How about they give them a bit of the land they took by force and let the people live separately from Israel, the issue is that the Israeli government never settled to have someone other than themselves in "their" country and so they've pushed all of the Palestinians out to Gaza and expect them so live in conditions barely above human rights standards while they get shot at for simply approaching the border of the land that Israel designated them. They can't leave. It's honestly not surprising that a terror group popped up there and it's sad that Israel as the occupying force can't accept accountability for their actions and try to find a peaceful resolution. Unfortunately now that the seeds of terrorism have been sewn, unless Israel and Hamas are willing to compromise for the sake peace, it's not going to get better any time soon.
and who did they first take the country from? this whole "muh ancestral land" applies to everyone you cant claim ownership of any land the ones that own it are the ones that can enforce their claim at the time
There are litteraly millions of Palestinians that are Israelicitizens and who enjoy living in a democracy where they do not risk getting murdered for being gay.
@@PedroIgoriyou are joking. Israel is less than a 80 yrs. The small Jewish community who use live in Palestine had Palestine passports and they used to travel with Palestine passports. Go look it up.
That's a wonderful analogy, based on false premises. Do you know that initially the Palestinians got a (bigger) piece of the land together with the Jews? only that the Jews accepted it and the Muslims didn't, and they decided to fight the newly established state of Israel, they lost the war and as a consequence they got kicked out of many areas. Israel didn't take it by force. And Israel didn't force them out. In fact 20% of Israel are Arabs. Stop lying.
The West Bank is literally called Judah and Samaria for 3000 years, and all of the historic names of the ancient cities are in Hebrew. I think there might be a reason that’s the land they ended in…
@@EJZ8what other people's would you find acceptable to uproot the current people and import people who lived there in antiquity? That's a genuine question.
you make it sound like "palestine" existed as a country, before 69 :D before westbank, it was Jordan, before Jordan it was the british, Before british it was egypt. Before egypt it was ottomans, before ottomans it was mamluks before mamluks it was Annubids, before annubids it was kingdom jerusalem, So what "before" are you talking about?
"This is a rather simplistic question. The comparison between Israel and the United States is fundamentally flawed. Israel has a population of 10 million, and 1,500 out of 10 million is 0.015%. The United States, on the other hand, has a population of 345 million, and 0.015% of that is 51,750. So, Your question was, if a terrorist group from Mexico were to enter the United States and kill 51,750 citizens in a particularly heinous manner, Would America have done something?. so then it is clear that the United States would not react as Israel does. Instead, it would simply bomb all of Mexico in a single day. I can prove this to you by looking at a recent example in American history: the 9/11 attacks in 2002, where Al-Qaeda terrorists killed 2,977 people. In response, the United States launched a war in Afghanistan, killing thousands of civilians. Therefore, Israel has every right to fight terrorists and prevent terrorist attacks like the one that occurred on October 7th from happening again." 3:25
And every anti fascistic faction too. But for your sake I'll fix it war is awful and we are gonna do it anyway be wise the alternative is worse have a problem with that than tough.
War is awful, but ending slavery was worth it.... Or perhaps you believe that slavery should have stayed in place because lots of civilians suffered during the civil war...
That's all it needs to be when the Palestinian people advocate for and cheer on Hamas. The Palestinians made a huge mistake allowing Hamas into power, and they just keep doubling down on the same mistake, making it infinitely worse. They have cell phones, where are all the videos of the Palestinian people condemning Hamas and their actions? Oh, that's right. They don't exist because they won't condemn them.
Interesting how he talks about the “sacrifices that have to be made” in terms of civilian casualties and yet in the same breath lambasts the people of the west for being unacclimated to war. This man has never seen the horror of war and neither have any of his loved ones or family members safe at home in the west. I wonder how many families cowering for fear in a bomb shelter think that their sacrifice is necessary to settle a debate.
You're backing his point that the West is unacclimated to war, because his, yours and apart from the Ukraine, all the families in the West are not experiencing war. The fact that Israeli families in shelters who were slaughtered did experience this, and likewise before that families in Israel have been cowering in shelters for about 15 years from rocket attacks, especially in the very border villages and towns that were overrun, I would think that they understand that the sacrifice needs to be made. Further, since the rocket attacks from Hamas have been reduced to 1% of what they were 6 months ago, the sacrifice is the IDF's now. As for the Gazans, they voted Hamas in, who's intentions were clear from 1988 that this was an objective. Additionally, they allowed their kids to be indoctrinated and join Hamas - Hamas are Gazans, they are not mercenaries from the outside, they are Palestinians - and finally 1,000s of Gazan CIVLLIANS crossed the border into Israel as auxiliaries, with a promise of a bounty of $10,000 + an apartment for every hostage they brought back, as well as a free hand to murder, rape and especially loot. That's why Hamas can't account for all the ones who are missing that Israel claims it has, because it's operatives didn't capture a good proportion of them. Further, the vast majority of the Gazan population celebrated the attacks, Hamas have never been more popular in the West Bank, and whilst this last point is no way a valid justification of civilians bearing the brunt, it demonstrates a complicity of the populous.
Wow... tell that to the rest of the Middle East who look at Palestinians as peasants! Israel has been kinder to them over the years than the fellow Arabs! You know Israel employed Gazans and gave them medical care? Water and electricity? Did you know the other Arab neighbors look down on Gazans and would never do the same?
"We do all these technocratic calculations instead of moral judgment these days" proceeds to make insane technocratic calculations for the next 10 minutes
Who is this guy? Has he served in any military? Why is he justifying wrong doings with historical wrong doings? I hate that people like him get a voice smh.
Mind Begs the Question: - To defend,support policies of - Starvation,Death Camps,Gas Chambers/White Phosphorus,Ethnic Cleansing,etc - Democratic or Nazi?
He left himself open for an argument against Israel; if it’s justified to rise up against colonialism 13:18 then Israel is in the wrong then ; you can’t claim defense against an opposition that you are deliberately slowly killing and calling it “ mowing the lawn “
". . . the army on several occasions authorized the killing of more than 100 civilians in the assassination of a single commander." - Yuval Abraham, ‘Lavender’: The AI machine directing Israel’s bombing spree in Gaza
Imagine moving into a neighborhood, creating a compound where only certain people are elevated to membership, buying and stealing land of people who have been in the area for hundreds of years, and then complaining when the people surrounding your compound hate you. Wild.
Uhhh that’s kinda what happens when two groups fight a literal war and one side loses…🤷♂️ How’s this “wild” when it’s happened countless time in history and still happens?
Oppressor and victim at the same moment. If we see Jews history they are well known prophet killers. Last was Jesus Christ and there were many many more in there long history so killing innocent people is not any moral burden for them only GODS wrath can change them so let’s pray in the name of Almighty.
Like the Arabs did in 638 when they conquered the land from the Romans? Please explain to me the moral difference between conquest in 627 and conquest in 1967.
So, where is moral judgment in this war that you attack an area which is the size of a Washington DC but with a population of 2 million. So where is the morality in it? In this era and technology.
@hugoramirez9295 The ratio of civillian to combatant death is five times lower than the average for this type of conflict. But whatever makes jews the bad guy, I guess..
When someone says ‘you’re TECHNICALLY correct’ and then proceeds to critique to the enth degree, I always wonder how they think the other person will listen
Very fascinating to me that he brings up that the Iraq war was started under false pretenses and that it was wrong right after spouting out propaganda hasbara IDF talking points.
That John Stuart Mill quote he gave, I memorized that quote on September 11, 2001 in the Day Room of 1st Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment. That quote gave me strength to do what I had to do seven combat deployments. Those words had a huge effect on me. Even today.
It's a great quote to justify war crimes.. whether the bs wars in Iraq & Afghanistan (that any sane person now knows were horror for the sake of a corrupt elite) or the current genocide by an apartheid state against the natives. Hopefully the guy who's actually quoted was speaking about a real justified war against an aggressor (maybe someone like Napoleon) & not justification for the latest colonial British ambition 🤷🏻♂️
Well let’s not pretend that the surroundings Muslims countries would not kill every single Jew in Israel if they could. There are like 2000 million Muslims in the world and 15 million Jews in the world. Without the west there would be no living Jew left lol
80K rockets from Gaza into civilian areas? Jihadi Bus bombings? Wedding Bombings? How about the first war that started this that Palestinians lost? How about the 6 times they rejected peace deals? Stabbings, car rammings? The response to all of the above you call a "massacre" I call it the "find out phase" - until Palestinians get over the fact Israel exists and ain'y going anywhere, peace cannot be possible
Both sides lie, the Israeli government is run by someone who should be in prison supported by fascist parties, but Hamas is as bad as ISIS, and the Nakbah is basically all a lie.
@@AlexanderY18 how so ? the Palestinians had nothing to do with the holocaust for thousands of years Jews , Christian’s and Muslims live in peace how is it even fair to them to be kick off there land
@@AlexanderY18 there’s actually video of Jewish Zionist on camera who were laughing from that time about killing and pushing arabs from there homes that’s right on RUclips the first nakba you can’t denied this
Yes, the war started when the UN divided the Land of Israel into 2 parts, one for the Arabs and one for the Jews. The Jews agreed, the Arabs rejected the offer. Arab countries started a war against Israel and Israel won. Now they are crying about it, let them cry
@@natalie9792to add to that, Arabs even got more land. They got all of Jordan, and were even offered something like 80% of Israel proper at one point. They denied it still.
Oh effing please, whilst I more than most appreciate your sacrifice and you are a hero, you were not conscripted, you signed up willingly, and if not willingly there wasn't a gun to your head to do your duty. Further, your home, be it the US or UK, or perhaps elsewhere although I doubt it, was not in fear of being overrun; sporadic acts of terrorism is as bad as it gets in the West. The point you missed, which could be attributed to your cracked skull, is that the West (apart from the Ukraine) has a young population that for 2 generations has had zero fear of anything like that Israel is experiencing, ie being overrun by an enemy whose raison d'etre is to wipe them out. The last time the young in the West had to fight against oppression was to overthrow the evils of communism, a doctrine which ironically and tragically the students on campus are now inspired by, because they never lived through it. Before that, it was Nazism/fascism. The biggest issues the young have now are effing pronouns and other nonsense.
Israel is not in threat of being wiped out, because it if it was, the narrative would be completely different. Israel has been committing a major human rights violation to the people of Palestine for the last hundred years and is now trying to justify a mass genocide with the excuse of, well they attacked us first. Yes, Israel has an enemy. But Israel is trying to exterminate the entire population for, and let’s be honesty, full control of the land/religion and resources and any excuse they can get, they will use. The world see’s it, and a majority stand with Palestine. And In case you missed it, I was in NYC when the towers fell down. I grew up watching the fight on CNN as I grew older and regardless if you believe in the conspiracy theory about Al Que da and the Taliban, American soldiers sign up to prevent it from getting to the point that America is on the brink of extinction. If you haven’t been overseas fighting and faced the death to America idealogy face to face then you damn sure can’t speak about if there’s a “real threat” or not
Pretty odd that Coleman Hughes made these same arguments to Joe just a few episodes ago and Joe started to see his point and even said "hey man you clearly know more about all this than me"
Comparing Israel vs Gaza to the American Civil War doesn’t correlate to me.
True. The Brits werent baby reyping animals.
Bias justification
Does not ah???? Well, when we had killed 2 million of German Civilians at a loss of ZERO American ones in order to destroy the Nazi Regime ,does that correlate to you? When Red Army had stormed Berlin and was destroying all that moved with its Artillery Fire and Katiusha Salvos , killing tens of thousands German civilians in the process --were there people like you today , telling them : "stop , you killing German children " ?? or every body were just pushing them on - finish the Bastard State ? Use some basic thinking , not your bias against Jewish people that you been condition to have with bullshit lies over 2000 years if you re in Christian world and 1400 years if you re in Muslim world.
@@DagnirRen
Yes they were, just not to the extent that the Israelis are, though.
His comparisons are a reflection of his twisted morality.
“Who the fuck is that guy “. (Connor voice)
A smart man.
Someone correct.
@@JackAaron1992 Someone who hasn't read up on his history you mean
He's definitely not antisemitic nor pro Palestine he's un biased
I just said that in a Conor McGregor voice 😂.
Excuse me, as a European, my great grandfather did not shove any Jew into any oven. Be specific about who did that and maybe those people should offer part of their state to the Jewish people.
Lol he is literally justify everything just because people in past did horrific things with jews
I agree and also stating that Europe hasn’t had to fight for anything is just a ridiculous thing to say
You are painfully naive
the Palestinians are occupied for 75 years they have every right to fight back the occupation
You did
Drawing this argument constantly back to morality is.... something
Explain what’s wrong with it
@@JohnnyRingo-c5v when there's inoccent people getting hurt, that statement is indeed an eyebrow raise, HAMA did the act, not all the people. Yes if people agree with them that's different, talking the people who didn't do nothing n are trapped.
Listening to a Brit referencing Britain to debate the morality of war is like eating beans for breakfast
BBQ the next morning.🤔 So.....
As an Irish person I agree . Just remember it was Britain that created the Israel state
Beans are breakfast for 3/4 of the americas & carribean
It’s absurd int it, who the hell is this guy
Americans, throwing stones in glass houses since 1776 😂
This guy checked off all 12 of Ben Shapiro's talking points.
Meaning he is a rational smart guy
Genetic fallacy
@5dollarshake263 planning on addressing any of them? Or should the free world never wage war against people who put their military HQ underneath their own hospitals? 🏥
Ah, the good old Western propaganda on the JRE. "Britain had to make a decision to go fight the Nazis"..... he simply "forgot" to mention who actually ENDED the war. THE SOVIETS. To the UK and the US, war means business, and profits, the longer a war lasts, the better for the billionaires running the show. By the way, the only country that is still legally allowed to rally out in public, flying a swastika flag is the United States, everywhere else on the planet, it's illegal. In early 1945, Allied troops entered Germany. By mid-April, the SOVIETS had encircled the German capital of Berlin. On April 30, 1945, Adolf Hitler killed himself. The German armed forces surrendered unconditionally in the west on May 7 and in the east on May 9, 1945, bringing an end to World War II in Europe. You're welcome, Britain.
@@amsz6326 snart indeed.
The moral judgement by a Brit that starving people is a legitimate practice isn’t a surprise given what his country did to Ireland.
And India
& 1/2 the world
“that was just for funzies though innit mate?”
Israel sends food supplies to civilians while hamas takes it gluten themselves leaving innocent civilians starvimg
He’s Irish too
Is starving ONE MILLION CHILDREN a moral judgement? What a clown
Which million children? Show us the evidence. You're buing the Hamas propaganda.
There is no starvation in Gaza . Read the latest UN report
@@4itamarwhat are you talking about. That's not true and thats not what that report says. Bad Hasbara.
@@CiGambino this is the latest UN report. They tried to hide it because it is in favour of Israel. I will find a link to send you
Is trying to wipe out the few remaining Jews in the world justified? They have to fight for their very survival. Its completely insane that people dont understand this.
It’s like these guys are trained to speak softly about terrible things so that you forget that it’s terrible
Sometimes you got to do terrible things to survive. That is life. a lot of people in the comments dont understand this about life but their children will.
@@Kai-nh9ut Spoken like a true genocide denier. I’m sure that anyone who has ever carried one out shared this sentiment.
He's out of his mind. US is the big dog with all the money and weapons. We should control Israel not the other way around. Why the US hasn't told them to stop the genocide is a question we all deserve an answer to? Why are we letting our little bitch in the middle east cause all this trouble?
I have a psychological issues . I struggle to get over it and I work hard on it. But I can tell you , when I lie, I literally don’t feel any problem. It comes so normal. The lie detector doesn’t now sense a thing . I tried it . These guys like this.
@@Kai-nh9utYes I’m sure that’s how all of the perpetrators of genocide thought. And they still committed genocide.
He sounds like a British politician, the speech patterns are exactly like Sunak and what he says is exactly like an Israel spokesperson
Very delusional indeed
except that he only said true correct stuff if you think about it without any bias ;)
The discussion in this war is absurd.
First. Israel acted selflessly to live in peace with the Palestinians in Gaza. It was more than a decade ago when Israel itself ordered Israeli citizens who had lived there for decades to literally leave their homes. The first thing the Palestinians did in return was to elect a government that enshrined the goal of destroying Israel in the constitution. The elected government followed through with its promise. Since its founding, thousands of rockets have flown into Israeli settlement areas. Dozens of civilians died in terrorist attacks. Millions of aid funds - intended for civilian institutions - were misused to sponsor this terrorism. October 7th was just what Humus had been doing for years.
Secondly. Israel behaved more humanely in this conflict than any other conceivable party in any imaginable conflict. It allowed Palestinians to work in Israel, receive medical care or even migrate to Israel. During war, they warn civilians where their military is operating. They admit collateral damage and apologize for it.
The situation is clear. In no other conflict the responsibility for the suffering has been so one sided and clear - in no other conflict have the perpetrators been held accountable so weakly. People with voice and power who claim to reject war and the nature of war have a duty to unequivocally name the culprit of this war and do everything in their power to eliminate them. Everything else is responsibility for the resulting suffering and is as history has proved continuing this madness.
He is MOST PROBABLY PAID HANDSOMELY by his isreali masters and has clearly handed his soul to the devils
@@jankaufmann4305 yeah cause humus are literally a death cult that see pally deaths as heroism even for kids, they don't care about their own lives let alone pally people, all they wanna do is keep doing oct7ths and even at larger scales if they could, up to the ultimate scale. yet millions in the west march and protest for them =)) the post-truth society is a wild place
Joe has gotten so good at just letting guest dig themselves into logical holes all the while keeping distance and disagreeing politely.
It was amazing ...I don't know how Joe keeps his composure so well...
@@anthonygil1522 he’s come such a long way from when he went meathead on Stephen Crowder all those years ago
Please name one of the n "logical holes"? of which you speak?
the irony of saying uprising for independence is justified but saying Palestinians are the moral low ground and anti-Semitic for attacking Israel is unspeakable.
“War is okay because we are the good guys” -whoever he is
We are our guys and they are their guys. When it comes to survival or high threat incidents, good guy bad guy gets blurred. Are you going to be a good guy to someone holding a gun to your child's head if you get 1 moment of opportunity? Now put that perspective across a broad region.
It's not what he said. More like "when someone puts an extensional threats on you, the right thing is to fight back as hard as possible"
And where is the error? Bunch of Muslims trying to kill the same group of people. This people fight back because they want to live. Very very simple. You probably can't understand that cause you also lives in a good and safe country.
We are gods ppl and we are chosen so we are moral nomatter what we do
Yep. Israel didn’t fly into Gaza and throw Molotovs on babies in their cribs did they? Wake up
Listening to his logic is extremely unsettling. How can these people not see that INNOCENT PEOPLE DO NOT DESERVE TO DIE??
Listening to your logic is unsetlling. You: "Look Israel I know that for 70 years the Palestinian government has supported, funded, and taught terrorists who rape, murder, and kill Jews simply because they are Jews, but you should just lay down and take it. I mean look, even though we are rewarding terrorists by refusing to kill them if they hide behind their own familie's lives, not to mention allowing them to repeat more attacks on your own women and children in the future, it's still wrong to try to kill them." The inverted morality is shocking to see.
“Innocent people do not deserve to die”
When Hamas says they will conduct October 7 attacks again and again, that is exactly what Israel is trying to prevent.
Why can’t you see that if you don’t want endless innocent deaths year after year ?
what did they expect when the attacked ? or maybe rebel/vote out Hamas, o right they are not a democracy...
are you referring to the children hunted down and killed on October 7 ? Hunted down and killed
@@mz4kidsthis all didn’t start on October 7th. Learn your history
It's nice to drop this snippet on here so that I know not to bother with this episode on Spotify
You shouldnt bother with any episodes to be fair😂
100%
He's back on RUclips full episodes
Factssss
The amount of factual selectivity makes me wanna throw up. Maybe just start with the fact that Israel is in a apartheid state? As deemed by nearly every human rights group out there. INCLUDING THOSES IN ISRAEL
This conflict didn’t start on 10/7 - it started when Islam was formed
When Islam was formed, There wasn't a single Jew on the land of Palestine.
What do you mean?
Holy fuck. Did he just say Cromwell fought for the "modern idea of democracy"? What the fuck is this guy on?
Maybe he fought for the idea of democracy, but he certainly didn't practice it.
Explains a lot actually, he's probably seething at the irish support for palestine too.
Just an idiot cramming the largest words he knows on top of one another to justify genocide. Period.
Yeah, us Irish really loved Cromwell's brand of democracy!
Yeah you caught that to
This guy brushed off the Ireland conflict like it was peanuts. Wow
@@easydoesit83They or (((they)))?
He's Irish, and historically very pro-The Republic of Ireland. So much so that his old publication was accused of being pro-IRA.
Still, he brushes off a thirty year long war like nothing
@@hannesgranlund8838 they weren't talking about Northern Ireland. Had that been the subject at hand, O'Neil would have had a lot to say about it.
@@hannesgranlund8838The Troubles
Digging up graves & removing bodies all for new settlements is heartbreaking for the whole of humanity
Can you think of any other reason they would dig them? Perhaps a habit of one side of the conflict to peddle in corpses?
Digging up Graves was how Israel found dead hostages...
Because they are Evil
@@yakov95000 you believe that nonsense, funny stuff.
No kidding. I've never seen anything so evil. We are seeing children being killed and amputated every day, most with no anesthetics. They are an Apartheid State. The idf is full of shit. Lies, lies, lies.
He said anti colonial wars are just - this guy is so blinded by racism
The first casualty of war is the truth
Yes and it was Palestinians who were attacked first
@@FlCarScene 75 yrs ago?
Good one
Truth doesn't bleed persons do. The obligation to adhere to Truth standards die at the hands of those who deny its power to act righteously.
Sure 75 years ago and every freakin year after that. Your colonialist mindset will not let you see that. You can’t just get away with it. Call them whatever you like, they have every right whatsoever to rise up against the people oppressing and occupying them
As a vet I can assure you no war is just. You are only being used. There are no winners. No glory. No heros.
Sorry man you had to be put through that I tried to join the military at 19 but I had a withdrawal Caesar from alcohol from bad choices I wanted to be a fighter pilot and fly f-16s and if I couldn't fly them I wanted to fly the f-15 strike eagle thank you for your service❤❤❤❤
“War doesn’t make boys men, War makes men dead”
Thank you for your service, Joshua. I'm sorry our nation took it for granted.
I’m sorry for your service, but sounds like you’ve become wiser because of it 🤜🏿
U arent a real vet u are a pog
It’s fascinating to see this guy talking about young people when people who are older than the state of Israel’s itself criticize Israel
so do they criticize palestine
And yet those same critics are silent on the Ukraine conflict.
Classic anti-Israeli non sequitur. He is talking about young western ignoramuses who support Hamas because they are "oppressed". They aren't. If they used the billions in aid money the west has sent them for anything other than making their leaders in Qatar billionaires and bombs, they could be a flourishing people. But they aren't and they are two b*tch made to admit it's their own fault.
@@robfarrell9104 some people are but some aren’t.
@@onepunchman8328 yes they do
Rogan makes some lovely, calm and compassionate objections.
Why are both of you not talking about why Hamas exists??
Its not even a theory, its stated fact in interviews. On point good Sir.
It exists because Bibi satanyahu funded Hamas via Qatar to divide Palestine and PLO
Because most people don’t actually care to look into history that deeply and because others are paid not to care.
Or that Pa lesti nians had been the victims of violent persecution for 40 yrs before it existed.
@@layinlow77 you're gonna play the persecution game with the J's? LMAO
The fact that Bassem Yousef hasn’t come on the show yet is bizzare
maybe because he's a disingenous propagandist/charlatain who traffics in lies?
Joe "I'll have anyone unless their views aren't right-adjacent" Rogan
I disagree, I think it’s pretty understandable considering how many smart political commentators there are in media, most with diverse opinions on this debate & many other political debates, and Joe is only 1 guy with 2 other careers, with tons of hobbies and he interviews people only he personally finds interesting from ALL walks of life…ironically at the beginning of this episode, Joe actually jokes about the frustration of there being so many interesting people he wants to talk to, yet only so much time & availability. I am sure he will have him on someday
I think he was in tour. I bet he comes on soon.
100% agree. the fact that he's also a comedian and he's talking about something very important right now.
"You know what's worse than killing innocent civilians... people not wanting innocent civilians to be killed" - Brendan O'Neil
Genocidal statement of the year
That was a bar .... 💯💯💯
Nah it was more like not wanting innocent civilians to be killed over and over and over again. Whereas they take out Hamas now and it should be over unless palestine attacks again
"innocents". how many would you say are innocent, excluding the population under 18.
@@ehaaron how many according to you?
Israelis have been killing children for 75 years
More like Arabs play the victim when failing at genocide for 75 years.
Arabs have been killing innocents for centuries
Dude definitely expected Joe to just fold on him and agree. It's not ok to kill innocent people, it doesn't matter how many words you use to explain it, how much it was done in the past, or whose homeland you're attempting to establish.
He didn't say killing innocent people is "ok". He said the deaths of innocent people is unfortunately unavoidable in war. Especially when their own government is using them as Human Shields, building bunkers under their homes, fighting out of uniform, and firing from behind them.
@@dshappir watch it again man. Joe makes a point that he wouldn't be ok with "unavoidable" deaths if they were Jewish. Bombing a hospital is not "unavoidable".
@@dshappirno evidence of human shield. Only Israeli peddled propaganda
"innocent people" ok
What a ridiculous summary of what he was saying
The ‘moral’ argument for bombing civilians???
The moral failure lies in the hands of Hamas
Really unbelievable....
See Dresden, WWII. Civilian deaths are always terrible, but this war was started by an action of terror by Hamas, whose strategy is always using civilian human shields. Why did they never build bomb shelters for their people in 15 years? They were receiving billions in aid.
@littlecatfeet9064 you do realize that Dresden was condemned by the allies and why international law was created...at this point why even discuss war crimes?
the Palestinians are occupied for 75 years they have every right to fight back the occupation
“They need their own country because of what we (Europe) did to them 80 years ago.” Very good point. But then why not give them land in Europe? Why use them to displace a population of people (who had nothing to do with the terrible things that were done to the Jewish people) who have lived on a land for generations and then act surprised when those displaced people don’t want to give up their rights to their land. That is where the problem and conflict started. Not Oct 7.
Jewish people are INDIGENOUS to the LAND OF ISRAEL according to *ALL* archeological, anthropological, genetic, biological, & verbal evidence. Even during the Diaspora, there has *always* remained a steady Jewish presence in that land...Palestine isnt even an Arabic word, it was renamed Judea-Palestina by the ROMANS when they conquered the area, & since then there has *never been* an independent country named Palestine ever (the Arabic language doesn't even have the letter P). Just bec European Jews have adapted European looks (biological adaptation 101 btw) bec they migrated there centuries ago after being expelled by the Romans etc, that doesn't negate anything. Besides, what about all the ethnic Sefardi Jews that arent European?! You know the ~850k that were ethnically cleansed from Arab countries? Ahhhh so conveniently forgotten about eh? 🤨🤨...so why should Jewish people be "given" a Homeland anywhere but where they've already been residing for thousands of years?
What did Europe do? It was only after several major Israeli terror attacks against the British did they pull out of the mandate and gave it back to the U.N. General Assembly. On 29 November 1947 the UN General Assembly voted on the partition plan, ADAOPTED BY 33 VOTES TO 13 with 10 abstentions. The Jewish side accepted the UN plan for the establishment of two states. The Arabs rejected it and launched a war of annihilation against the Jewish state.
@@SirrMelvin Yes, Jewish people of Arab descent have lived in Palestine forever, and peacefully coexisted with other Arabs of different faiths (Muslims and Christians). Regardless of what you choose to call the land, the conflicts, which continue to this day and have only become bloodier over time, began after Western nations chose to declare the state of Israel on that land and displace the indigenous people with Europeans. Even Palestinian Jews in the Westbank are not treated the same as Israeli Jews. You don’t have to agree with me, but at some point we all have to acknowledge the truth. I don’t believe in the slaughter of any people, regardless of what they believe or where they come from. God gave us life and placed us here on Earth to live in peace. We are the ones who have chosen to make war with one another instead.
@@bodasactra I was quoting Brendan O’Neill, hence the quotation marks around the statement. And he was referencing the atrocities committed by the Nazis during the Holocaust.
@@FordeTough You agree with it. Israel was approved by the U.N. and created by the Jews themselves fighting off Arab coalition invasion they day they declared a state, its forged with Jewish blood. The Arab invasions displaced Muslims. Israel's constitution stated all were welcome and many stayed. Israel today has over 21% equal Muslim citizens, 2 million people. Muslim states cleansed all their Jews out of spite.
It’s become a Trend where people just support hamas and Palestine without thinking. Both sides have their faults, with Israel being the main aggressor but don’t think for one minute that hamas are the good guys. They’re benefitting from this conflict
The real question is who put hamas in power? There is plenty of evidence to sho that israel helped hamas so they could keep the conflict going istead of having to settle for the 2 state solution
Israel is not the main aggresor , when a country is constantly attacked and it's people are constantly targeted it's not the main agressor .
Give me one benefit ?
@@seifal-laham they’re leading the country aren’t they?
@@Do27gg What country? Gaza is flattened and the Hamas leaders are dead. Yet they are still getting bomb and have there access to food, water, and electricity completely cut off. Israel still hasnt let any reporters into Gaza a year latee this has clearly become a genocide.
Nah bro this dude is wild, his argument is built on a foundation that is crumbling right in front of the world for everyone to see
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@@adirsabschizophrenic
And getting worse. Mossad is full power right now with shutting down the protests and putting sheep like this guy in front of cameras. He says make a moral judgement, I don’t think he knows what morals are.
Very well said
@@PastaCool bot
"you're not supposed to make moral judgement" proceeds to make moral judgement
He’s a nitwit, cringe listening to this guy. Joe Rogan on the other hand, is a legend.
Think you missed the point…
How could you not care more about your own people than the enemy’s people? This is the only reason you exist right now.
@@UserOfTheDay triggered person of the day
You weren’t listening he said it’s unfashionable to make moral judgements but it’s something we must do sometimes
It's pretty bold to keep asking the question of what is "morally" right, yet still implying the answer is: "killing innocent civilians is a means to an end."
Your ignorance about war, the history of war, and the laws of war, is just proof of the total failure of the educational system. I don't hold that against you. What I do hold against you is offering an opinion about something about which you know nothing.
The people who scream loudest for war do so from the comfort of their own armchairs. They know they will not have to fight the wars themselves
@@MitchellRMiller-lt1xi War is a faliure of human endeavor on every front. Knowing the history of it will teach you that.
@@tevildo45 except the jihadist that kill people and scream jihad jihad jihad
@@tevildo45 the people who scream the loudest for ceasefire have never been threatened existentially...thus, the ignorance of "luxurious moralising."
So much of moral questions shows the morality of west. So peaceful and just society the world has seen.
People is Gaza were shot when they tried to access food aid. This is not a just war.
This is NOT a war. The Palestinians do NOT have any military, no army, no soldiers no tanks, no jets, no bombs, no drones, etc, nothing to defend themselves with!! The other side is armed to the teeth from the No.1 military industrial complex in the world.
Have you been to war? That is the reality of war! That is part of war, you can't wage wars and be polite! That's why we should avoid war, and hamas started it!
Did you mean Hamas members? Same thing happened to ISIS, they got killed while trying to get some food, poor people... We all should cry now.
@@waterbear1337
That is what happens between combatants . Not against unarmed civilians . You are calling war crimes . War
Gazans are occupied people . They don’t have a sovereign state
This is a genocide aided by USA
@@shitinsideyou what the f**k are you talking about? How can children be consider Hamas members? You have problems
Joe coming in with great points and debating great here.
hahahahaha Joe offered nothing but straw men arguments here. Literally. What a joke.
I'd rather have a straw man argument then defending killing civilians @@LaminarSound
@@forgot2wipeyou are not a serious thinker. You would not support any government in any way then.
@@jaredmello what's your point? I don't NEED to suppost anything. I don't have to say one's better. I'm not a serious thinker because I said killing innocent people is wrong?
@@forgot2wipe it is naive because any country who is at war will inevitably kill civilians. Look up what America did to Dresden Germany. We drone striked the funerals of terrorists under Obama. It happens in every war, and war is awful. But some ways are just.
Joe Rogan you need to interview Bassem yourself
Please 🙏🙏🙏👍👍👍
💯
that will be the best interview of the centaury
He's a bozo
Yes
Brilliant Brendan O'Neill, thank you!
Stop supporting terrorism.
The most ironic part of this whole dialogue was when he talks about "just" causes for wars and mentions populations fighting against "colonialism" He doesn't even realize.....
So Islam and Arabs just showed up in Israel by teleportation?🤣
Exactly! Like he thinks this thing just started on Oct 7
Just unreal how clueless he is...
Some people are just stupid mate, anyone who thinks this war started Oct 7 is just a moron
Yeah he's got a touch of the downs
Hahahahah yep!
This podcast is only an hour old and this dude is getting FLAMED. 😂
Because the truth is triggering people..🤷🏻♂️
Rightfully so. This guy must be a zionist plant!
@@HankSemoreButzit’s because everyone knows how Israel was created, the crimes that were committed… Humanity isn’t going to let this one go. Sorry zionist…
by an absolute mob of useful idiots. they are the people he's describing who don't know history, don't understand warfare, doesn't understand hamas and who've been indoctrinated to believe anyone who's not part of western civilization is good and we are evil. i'm guessing its bot or brigading. otherwise we're doomed as a civilization
@@HankSemoreButzbecause ignorance gets a platform
Joe, invide your old friend Abby Martin to discuss this issue
I think he doesn’t want to hear what really is going on there
He's not allow .. probably will lose some sponsorship.
Abby doesn’t come off as credible. I like her, but there are more knowledgeable and rational advocates for the Palestinians out there.
Ahh abby. The woman who refuses to denounce Hamas. Sure. Then bring on Finkelstein too. Reputable people..
Yeah, that paid Al Jazeera mouthpiece who can vomit lies with a straight face who openly admits that she doesn`t even know really what happened on Oct. 7, but that does not prevent her from parroting the lies to accuse Israel of every imaginable crime. What a waste of human life
My grandparents were young jews that managed to flee Lithuania just before the war. Most their family were taken to the end of a forest and shot dead. Local Lithuanians took part in the violence.
We jews deserve to have a country. ✡️🇮🇱
You must be a Muslim, you must ask Allah to show you the truth, read the Quran and you will find that Allah preferred the Children of Israel over the worlds and also the Prophet Muhammad is mentioned in the Tanakh I think
Give them England as their own country.
"They" (the UN) gave Jews Israel and gave Palestinians Jordan. It is already settled.
He said they were attacked for race… not that they stole land n are ethnicity cleansing
This guy would find a way to defend British history of killing people in foreign lands
@@Dave-cf4vd nope they the UN say westbank and Gaza including Jerusalem are occupued by the GENOCIDE ARMY.
Europe denied them ...I've always wondered why ???
Gotta tell ya buddy... it's getting harder and harder to play the moral argument here...
No it isn’t.
One side is a bunch of barbaric terrorists and the other is actually adhering to the international rules of engagement no matter how much people lie and say they aren’t.
One side is a real nation and the other is a fairytale that is actually the moniker adopted by the Romans in 135AD for the Jewish Kingdom of Judeah and has never existed at any point in history
I cannot believe Joe has listened to Abby Martin talk for hours and he has no rebuttal
I know. 🤦
Good interviewers let the person express themselves. It's not a debate, it's an interview.
@@GaryARahnSo when's he having Abby Martin on again?
Where's Bassem
@@ryandamon9390 im literally waiting for basem
Wise words from a wise man.
I question whether "The lobby" is sending people to JRE now, I've never even seen this guy before
This is my first time seeing hearing him ever too
💯
Definitely is watch the Coleman Hughes interview the guy was obviously a paid propagandist surprised no one else noticed
I was thinking the exact same thing.
What's Britain excuse for occupying Ireland 🇮🇪 🤔
What's Israel excuse for occupying Palestinians land @chivomartinez
@chivomartinez If you read history, after the Islamic conquest, Spain became one of the richest countries, and Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived in luxury until the Crusades came. Which carried out massacres against Jews, Muslims, and opposing Christians. If what you are saying is true, the Spaniards would still hate Muslims, but anyone who reads history knows that the largest massacres in Spain were at the hands of campaigns Crusader
@@theearthisntflat5863Jews did NOT live in luxury under Spanish rule...ever heard of the Inquisition?! Literally one of the biggest forms of persecution against the Jewish people happened under Spanish & Portuguese rule in the 14/1500s...Jews were almost never living in great conditions...something gentiles generally agreed on across the board historically was that they hated Jewish people. Muslims 🫱🏻🫲🏼Christians 🫱🏻🫲🏼Catholics🫱🏻🫲🏼Pagans all hated Jews historically speaking..
@chivomartinez read history and talk after
What’s the Arabs excuse for colonization\slavery of North and central Africa?
Rogan is so polite and patient, wouldn't be myself to stay this calm,
O'Neil spitting facts
well joe did invite him on, why is any bodies guess.
*He is definitely not originally from Palestine.*
*The question is: "WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN PALESTINE?"* ⁉⁉
The region is not called "Palestine" for 75 years already. Just like you don't use "Czechoslovakia", or ""Siam" use the current name, Israel.
@@Zygorhiza *Leave dirty tricks, and playing with words like a dumb, as if you don't understand!*
@@Zygorhiza Criminals like Benjamin Mileikowsky (with his fake name as Netanyahu, the Polish criminal, are coming from other sides of the world and *THEY DO NOT BELONG TO PALESTINE.*
*AND PALESTINE DOESN'T BELONG TO THEM.*
@@Zygorhiza
PAST: *Palestine*
PRESENT: *Palestine*
FUTURE: *Palestine*
*GET OVER IT!*
I was about to call this guy out for being a genocide supporting toerags but after reading the posts I can see the community has already done it.
Good work
genocide to an people who have grown greatly in numbers?
tell me how i am wrong when i say:
Israel does not want all pallestinians dead.
The pallestinians support organisation Hamas who clearly say they want all jews to die.
you, 'watchtingyoutoo' , are the supporter of genocide and you are claerly way to dumb to see it.
I have a feeling u were still beating off to anime while ACTUAL genocides happened in Syria Sudan and Yemen, am i right?
Did this guy ever fight in a war?
Whether he did or didn't is utterly irrelevant he was highlighting just how ignorant this generation is because they've never had to fight for anything they have
@brianmay7111 By your logic Hitler would have ruled the world. War is a necessary evil unfortunately
@ianjones2731 I'm an Iraq vet and am pro Palestine. Have I never fought for anything I have? I know the Iraq war was a sham job and bs propaganda spewed by my govt but isn't that the whole point we're missing here. The people we allow to stay in charge are ruining this world. Somehow we outnumber the establishment yet we continue to let this trash go on and these dip do's try to justify it. Maybe if a certain group of people hadn't stolen land from another group of people and then lock them within a fence and take away their basic human rights we wouldn't have all these problems.
@brianmay7111 thank you
Joe??? No
2:23 So it's right for them to take the country of someone else just because they were wronged in the past themselves. How about they give them a bit of the land they took by force and let the people live separately from Israel, the issue is that the Israeli government never settled to have someone other than themselves in "their" country and so they've pushed all of the Palestinians out to Gaza and expect them so live in conditions barely above human rights standards while they get shot at for simply approaching the border of the land that Israel designated them. They can't leave. It's honestly not surprising that a terror group popped up there and it's sad that Israel as the occupying force can't accept accountability for their actions and try to find a peaceful resolution. Unfortunately now that the seeds of terrorism have been sewn, unless Israel and Hamas are willing to compromise for the sake peace, it's not going to get better any time soon.
and who did they first take the country from? this whole "muh ancestral land" applies to everyone you cant claim ownership of any land the ones that own it are the ones that can enforce their claim at the time
There are litteraly millions of Palestinians that are Israelicitizens and who enjoy living in a democracy where they do not risk getting murdered for being gay.
@@PedroIgoriyou are joking. Israel is less than a 80 yrs. The small Jewish community who use live in Palestine had Palestine passports and they used to travel with Palestine passports. Go look it up.
700 years before Muhammad invented Islam in Arabia, a guy named Jesus Christ land all his Jewish friends were living in Israel
That's a wonderful analogy, based on false premises.
Do you know that initially the Palestinians got a (bigger) piece of the land together with the Jews? only that the Jews accepted it and the Muslims didn't, and they decided to fight the newly established state of Israel, they lost the war and as a consequence they got kicked out of many areas. Israel didn't take it by force. And Israel didn't force them out. In fact 20% of Israel are Arabs. Stop lying.
The moral question. Perfectly on point.
They way he’s painting the picture 😂😂
When comparing this to WW2, he seems to ve confused on who is perpetrating a genocide.
Hamas is committing genocide indeed.
@@Jeremy-ke3bb That doesn't even make sense.
This was such a Brit style argument. The most polite and confident sounding cognitive dissonance you've ever heard
What was dissonant? He was spot on. Just admit your support Jihad.
@@patrick9445just admit you support the killing of innocent children
Jihad?!? 😂😂😂 now that’s a stretch
@@patrick9445speaking of cognitive dissonance
@@3Xc01A Elaborate. Everything he said is true.
Watching this after the protests in Melbourne…This sums up perfectly the attitudes of young progressive palestinian protesters in western countries.
Well give them YOUR country if you did this to them, not someone else's!!!
What country was there before the current one?
@@information_handlelook at a map before Israel it still says Palestine
The West Bank is literally called Judah and Samaria for 3000 years, and all of the historic names of the ancient cities are in Hebrew. I think there might be a reason that’s the land they ended in…
@@EJZ8what other people's would you find acceptable to uproot the current people and import people who lived there in antiquity? That's a genuine question.
you make it sound like "palestine" existed as a country, before 69 :D before westbank, it was Jordan, before Jordan it was the british, Before british it was egypt. Before egypt it was ottomans, before ottomans it was mamluks before mamluks it was Annubids, before annubids it was kingdom jerusalem, So what "before" are you talking about?
This clip should be on the Olympic channel
So many mental gymnastics
🙄 whenever someone says nobody in our generation has to deal with wars I just laugh my way to the VA because we’ve definitely been at war since 01’
He was talking about Europeans
I get your point but people who were at war in 2001 can be like 40 or 50 today
@@b1bbscraz3yyeah and people who graduated in 2012 fought in Afghanistan it lasted 20 years
@@EJZ8i’m from Europe and i was in the war from 1992 till 1995. This guy is full of bull
Yup, this guy is talking out off his ass.
"This is a rather simplistic question. The comparison between Israel and the United States is fundamentally flawed. Israel has a population of 10 million, and 1,500 out of 10 million is 0.015%. The United States, on the other hand, has a population of 345 million, and 0.015% of that is 51,750. So, Your question was, if a terrorist group from Mexico were to enter the United States and kill 51,750 citizens in a particularly heinous manner, Would America have done something?. so then it is clear that the United States would not react as Israel does. Instead, it would simply bomb all of Mexico in a single day. I can prove this to you by looking at a recent example in American history: the 9/11 attacks in 2002, where Al-Qaeda terrorists killed 2,977 people. In response, the United States launched a war in Afghanistan, killing thousands of civilians. Therefore, Israel has every right to fight terrorists and prevent terrorist attacks like the one that occurred on October 7th from happening again." 3:25
"War is awful, but..."
every statist argument boils down to this aggression.
And every anti fascistic faction too. But for your sake I'll fix it war is awful and we are gonna do it anyway be wise the alternative is worse have a problem with that than tough.
War is awful, but ending slavery was worth it.... Or perhaps you believe that slavery should have stayed in place because lots of civilians suffered during the civil war...
@@wingsoffreedom3589
Learn to spell correctly
How embarrassing
@@thatdoyleguy
You believe the Civil War was about ending slavery 😂
Americans are ridiculously easy to fool 😂
@@angelozachos8777 found the grammar nazi
Every response is literally “But Hamas”
Yes Hamas started this. This is all their fault.
Lol
That's all it needs to be when the Palestinian people advocate for and cheer on Hamas. The Palestinians made a huge mistake allowing Hamas into power, and they just keep doubling down on the same mistake, making it infinitely worse. They have cell phones, where are all the videos of the Palestinian people condemning Hamas and their actions? Oh, that's right. They don't exist because they won't condemn them.
Well yeah Hamas is literally in control of the Palestinians
I think we know who the next pandemic will be blamed on.
Interesting how he talks about the “sacrifices that have to be made” in terms of civilian casualties and yet in the same breath lambasts the people of the west for being unacclimated to war. This man has never seen the horror of war and neither have any of his loved ones or family members safe at home in the west. I wonder how many families cowering for fear in a bomb shelter think that their sacrifice is necessary to settle a debate.
He’s a coward chicken hawk
It's almost like he's biased in some way, for some strange reason.
Israelis have been hiding in bomb shelters every day for decades.
Then why don’t u call up ur Hamas pimp/masters and ask them to release the hostages..u make me sick to my stomach
You're backing his point that the West is unacclimated to war, because his, yours and apart from the Ukraine, all the families in the West are not experiencing war.
The fact that Israeli families in shelters who were slaughtered did experience this, and likewise before that families in Israel have been cowering in shelters for about 15 years from rocket attacks, especially in the very border villages and towns that were overrun, I would think that they understand that the sacrifice needs to be made. Further, since the rocket attacks from Hamas have been reduced to 1% of what they were 6 months ago, the sacrifice is the IDF's now.
As for the Gazans, they voted Hamas in, who's intentions were clear from 1988 that this was an objective. Additionally, they allowed their kids to be indoctrinated and join Hamas - Hamas are Gazans, they are not mercenaries from the outside, they are Palestinians - and finally 1,000s of Gazan CIVLLIANS crossed the border into Israel as auxiliaries, with a promise of a bounty of $10,000 + an apartment for every hostage they brought back, as well as a free hand to murder, rape and especially loot. That's why Hamas can't account for all the ones who are missing that Israel claims it has, because it's operatives didn't capture a good proportion of them. Further, the vast majority of the Gazan population celebrated the attacks, Hamas have never been more popular in the West Bank, and whilst this last point is no way a valid justification of civilians bearing the brunt, it demonstrates a complicity of the populous.
Comparing two equal sides to complete imbalance is so hard to watch
What other country is not defending themselves after Oct 7?
@@eddiep9207 acting like Israel didn't attack Palestine before October 7th google abu shusha massacre bro Israel zionists started this
Wow... tell that to the rest of the Middle East who look at Palestinians as peasants! Israel has been kinder to them over the years than the fellow Arabs! You know Israel employed Gazans and gave them medical care? Water and electricity? Did you know the other Arab neighbors look down on Gazans and would never do the same?
@@eddiep9207 What other country is engaging in occupation, siege (an act of war) and apartheid
@@eddiep9207 oh right you are smooth brained enough to deny all those things, never mind carry on
"We do all these technocratic calculations instead of moral judgment these days" proceeds to make insane technocratic calculations for the next 10 minutes
Who is this guy? Has he served in any military? Why is he justifying wrong doings with historical wrong doings? I hate that people like him get a voice smh.
Forreal, comparing wars from 200 years ago to today and justifying killing innocent lives is lunacy.
Mind Begs the Question:
- To defend,support policies of
- Starvation,Death Camps,Gas Chambers/White Phosphorus,Ethnic Cleansing,etc
- Democratic or Nazi?
What is he justifying?
You clearly omit the fact that hamas instigated all this by committing a genocide
It's good cuz people listen to him and realize it's all bullshit.
I have served in the military and deployed multiple times to the ME... have you? Is my opinion more valid than yours then?
He left himself open for an argument against Israel; if it’s justified to rise up against colonialism 13:18 then Israel is in the wrong then ; you can’t claim defense against an opposition that you are deliberately slowly killing and calling it “ mowing the lawn “
It's not a "moral question", it's an existential war
". . . the army on several occasions authorized the killing of more than 100 civilians in the assassination of a single commander." - Yuval Abraham, ‘Lavender’: The AI machine directing Israel’s bombing spree in Gaza
Imagine moving into a neighborhood, creating a compound where only certain people are elevated to membership, buying and stealing land of people who have been in the area for hundreds of years, and then complaining when the people surrounding your compound hate you. Wild.
Uhhh that’s kinda what happens when two groups fight a literal war and one side loses…🤷♂️
How’s this “wild” when it’s happened countless time in history and still happens?
Oppressor and victim at the same moment. If we see Jews history they are well known prophet killers. Last was Jesus Christ and there were many many more in there long history so killing innocent people is not any moral burden for them only GODS wrath can change them so let’s pray in the name of Almighty.
Like the Arabs did in 638 when they conquered the land from the Romans? Please explain to me the moral difference between conquest in 627 and conquest in 1967.
Sorry, typo, 638.
That didn't happen though, that land was Christian land before a Muslim ever touched it.
He learned all the gaslight and hypnotism techniques from the “best”
So, where is moral judgment in this war that you attack an area which is the size of a Washington DC but with a population of 2 million. So where is the morality in it? In this era and technology.
Imagine the loophole we'd create if we said that terrorists weren't going to be targeted if they embed themselves in the civilian populations.
You got Bin Laden with minimal collateral damage...
@hugoramirez9295
Bin lagen wasn't imbeded in the civilian population. He operated guerilla forces in the Afghan mountains.
@@sparten5654 the fact is Israel's government decides the amount of collateral damage that's acceptable for them, and the numbers speak for themselves
@hugoramirez9295
The ratio of civillian to combatant death is five times lower than the average for this type of conflict.
But whatever makes jews the bad guy, I guess..
@@sparten5654the bin laden raid was in a compound building in a city in Pakistan……
When someone says ‘you’re TECHNICALLY correct’ and then proceeds to critique to the enth degree, I always wonder how they think the other person will listen
Very fascinating to me that he brings up that the Iraq war was started under false pretenses and that it was wrong right after spouting out propaganda hasbara IDF talking points.
I’ve never heard of this guy, but holy shit the amount of respect I have for him is beyond words.
I wanna see Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky on JRE.
For some reason joe thought this clown war propagandist would make a better guest.
Guy is basically saying America should have given up instead of fighting the oppression of the british empire. This is a completely absurd take.
America is also a colonial settler state though to be fair - Native Americans are probably quite pissed off
@@danielleetayloryeah and they fought back too, and were justified in doing so
@@danielleetaylor And they made the land better than the native americans would of made it even in 10000 years
This guy isn't drinking the Kool aid, he's preparing it.
Agree with this man 💯
Glad that Joe Rogan actually pushed back on this guy, unlike he didn’t against the Candace Owens replacement guy.
The guest pretend he doesn’t understand the concept of occupation of Palestine! His moral compass is broken!
That John Stuart Mill quote he gave, I memorized that quote on September 11, 2001 in the Day Room of 1st Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment. That quote gave me strength to do what I had to do seven combat deployments. Those words had a huge effect on me. Even today.
It's a great quote to justify war crimes.. whether the bs wars in Iraq & Afghanistan (that any sane person now knows were horror for the sake of a corrupt elite) or the current genocide by an apartheid state against the natives. Hopefully the guy who's actually quoted was speaking about a real justified war against an aggressor (maybe someone like Napoleon) & not justification for the latest colonial British ambition 🤷🏻♂️
I used to think ppl who spoke with a British accent were smart
We don't claim this guy, mate
Now a Days people who look like British and talk like British they are the ones who are Israeli who are stealing Palestinians lands
Me too, I got over it as the years passed, and Boris Johnson finally drove the last nail into the coffin of the misperception.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@easydoesit83 You're only allowed to comment on our teeth if you learn to spell properly 😁
Thanks a million Joe for speaking up for humanity.
He speaks as if he has just woken up, without any consideration of 75 years of massacre
By the PLO? 🤔
Well let’s not pretend that the surroundings Muslims countries would not kill every single Jew in Israel if they could. There are like 2000 million Muslims in the world and 15 million Jews in the world. Without the west there would be no living Jew left lol
@@HankSemoreButz mossa d terrorism
80K rockets from Gaza into civilian areas? Jihadi Bus bombings? Wedding Bombings? How about the first war that started this that Palestinians lost? How about the 6 times they rejected peace deals? Stabbings, car rammings? The response to all of the above you call a "massacre" I call it the "find out phase" - until Palestinians get over the fact Israel exists and ain'y going anywhere, peace cannot be possible
Both sides lie, the Israeli government is run by someone who should be in prison supported by fascist parties, but Hamas is as bad as ISIS, and the Nakbah is basically all a lie.
[Insert curse words describing guest here]
theres no moral on occupying others land basis on biblical prophecy
exactly
What you fail to realize, is that it's not based on biblical prophecy, it's based on basis history.
@@AlexanderY18 how so ? the Palestinians had nothing to do with the holocaust for thousands of years Jews , Christian’s and Muslims live in peace how is it even fair to them to be kick off there land
@@elijahlateef9617 nobody kicked them out, they decided to fight the Jewish state and they lost.
@@AlexanderY18 there’s actually video of Jewish Zionist on camera who were laughing from that time about killing and pushing arabs from there homes that’s right on RUclips the first nakba you can’t denied this
I wanna last long enough to hear Joe talk but I’m 3 minutes in and already like “shut the actual fuck”
This guy doesn’t want to or doesn’t know how this war all started it didn’t start on the 7 October
Yes, the war started when the UN divided the Land of Israel into 2 parts, one for the Arabs and one for the Jews.
The Jews agreed, the Arabs rejected the offer.
Arab countries started a war against Israel and Israel won.
Now they are crying about it, let them cry
Thats true Hamas and other groups have been bombing Israel for decades now.
@@natalie9792 lol
@@natalie9792to add to that, Arabs even got more land. They got all of Jordan, and were even offered something like 80% of Israel proper at one point. They denied it still.
Have Abby Martin back on
We need Brianna Joy Grey and Norm Finklestein on this pod.
and Dan Cohen
Max Blumenthal, Aaron Mate, Abby Martin, Glenn Greenwald
His analogy is horrible and extremely non-logical nor realistic
“These young never had to fight for anything” yeah tell that to my cracked skull circa Afghanistan 2013
Yeah…because most people in your generation was deployed overseas to the Middle East…
You must have hit your head PRETTY hard.
Oh effing please, whilst I more than most appreciate your sacrifice and you are a hero, you were not conscripted, you signed up willingly, and if not willingly there wasn't a gun to your head to do your duty. Further, your home, be it the US or UK, or perhaps elsewhere although I doubt it, was not in fear of being overrun; sporadic acts of terrorism is as bad as it gets in the West.
The point you missed, which could be attributed to your cracked skull, is that the West (apart from the Ukraine) has a young population that for 2 generations has had zero fear of anything like that Israel is experiencing, ie being overrun by an enemy whose raison d'etre is to wipe them out. The last time the young in the West had to fight against oppression was to overthrow the evils of communism, a doctrine which ironically and tragically the students on campus are now inspired by, because they never lived through it. Before that, it was Nazism/fascism. The biggest issues the young have now are effing pronouns and other nonsense.
Israel is not in threat of being wiped out, because it if it was, the narrative would be completely different. Israel has been committing a major human rights violation to the people of Palestine for the last hundred years and is now trying to justify a mass genocide with the excuse of, well they attacked us first. Yes, Israel has an enemy. But Israel is trying to exterminate the entire population for, and let’s be honesty, full control of the land/religion and resources and any excuse they can get, they will use. The world see’s it, and a majority stand with Palestine.
And In case you missed it, I was in NYC when the towers fell down. I grew up watching the fight on CNN as I grew older and regardless if you believe in the conspiracy theory about Al Que da and the Taliban, American soldiers sign up to prevent it from getting to the point that America is on the brink of extinction. If you haven’t been overseas fighting and faced the death to America idealogy face to face then you damn sure can’t speak about if there’s a “real threat” or not
We, myself included, weren't fighting for America's very survival. Keep up
@@Tbh5000 neither is Israel
Where did you find this goofy at
Pretty odd that Coleman Hughes made these same arguments to Joe just a few episodes ago and Joe started to see his point and even said "hey man you clearly know more about all this than me"
Coleman was being an idiot
Joe is just playing the devil’s advocate. Makes for a better interview.
Its marketing bro. A multimillionaire like Joe has nothing to worry about other than views. Thats why they are so chill talking about it.
@simplejan5942 Shut up simplejan.
He said that because he was tired of hearing his BS
Great responses Joe!