Great video ! I was all into it and almost made it to the end and my stupid friend needed help. If he wasn't 7 feet tall and jacked I wouldn't have told him to pound sand lol
Thank you, and helping a friend in need is always more important. Especially if telling them to pound sand might get you pounded into sand. My favorite is the end of the video.
I've been collecting knives for years. Recently, I bought a $15 carbon fiber mini Bugout from Aliexpress. I was FLOORED. It's fantastic. The fit/finish are flawless, the action is great, the blade is perfectly centered and it came with a nice, even, sharp edge. The thought of giving Benchmade $280 for the 'real' version makes me laugh. It's probably 8Cr13MoV or 440C, but I don't care. I will cut all the packing tape and Amazon boxes that come my way. A few passes on the strop, and it's like a razor again.
I'm a little curious as to what kind of knives you've been collecting for years but regardless if you're happy with your purchase that's what matters most. The retail price of a Bugout isn't quite $280 for what it's worth.
@Alloy211 The mini Bugout carbon fiber at Blade HQ is $288. My clone was $15.31, SHIPPED. My knives range from Chris Reeve Sebenzas, to $300 m390 titanium handled flippers to $15 Rough Ryder slipjoint knives.
@beaurex4756 I appreciate the background, I see that model at SMKW does sell for that price as well. Although I'd definitely question the materials the AliExpress version is made of if you're happy with it I can't fault you for your opinion. I'd like to be able to compare them myself unfortunately I can't and will not buy directly from a few Chinese companies including AliExpress. Your perspective is considered and appreciated.
Benchmade brought this all on by them selves. Anti-gun and ridiculous pricing for what the knives really are. Benchmade set them selves up for the knock off knives that exist. I don't feel one bit sorry for what is happening to Benchmade in regards to knock-off knives and I'm not alone!
Apparently you're not a subscriber to the two wrongs don't make a right school of thought. Unfortunately many people think like that so at least you're not alone. Regardless of what Benchmade has done it doesn't make theft of their intellectual property deserved. But that's my perspective, and I don't try to justify actions in general.
@@Alloy211 Benchmade does not have any intellectual property rights to any part of their knives. Axis lock patent has expired, many companies use it today. Knife shapes are not exclusive to Benchmade. Whether you like it or not we live in a global society and that will never change. As I have stated before Benchmade brought it's problems on all by them selves with the pricing and political actions they have taken. We all know with modern machining available around the world, Benchmade knives are way over priced for what they are and they know it! That's why they are so upset with the knock-off knives in the market place that resemble their designs. Benchmade does not like the competition because it means changing their business model.
@@wayneanderson991 You said a lot there, but still apparently missed the point of what I was saying. I agree with much of what you're saying in many ways, watch my video on the Ganzo 729, but again two wrongs don't make a right and you should never live a life of justifying bad actions because you feel they are "deserved". I could into the R&D, product development and marketing that all companies put into their products and how it's wrong when a company that hasn't done any of that profits from it but you'd probably miss that point as well.
@@Alloy211 I have not missed your point. I have spent 40 years in manufacturing, some products were very high end technical products. It does not matter how wrong it is to take someone else's design, copy it and make a profit from it. It's going to happen and there is nothing you can do about it. Ask me how I know! I don't live a life of justifying bad actions and feel they are deserved. All one can do is move on and continue to compete. It does not matter what I think or feel about it. Crying about it solves nothing.
@@wayneanderson991 You may want to read what you wrote and understand that what you're advocating for is wrong. I can't help your ethical compass point in the right direction but I can argue against the normalization of that position. Assuming you have worked in manufacturing and development either you yourself is not above stealing or you've been stolen from and are just trying to make yourself feel better about it. Regardless either position is not preferred or objective. I will never agree it's ok, either through theft or inevitability, for a company to make a profit from something they didn't earn. At this point further engagement with you is pointless on this subject although I appreciate hearing your perspective I can never agree with it.
@@Alloy211 I was working at a shop one time and the police showed up with drums of guns. I was working a different project and the owner asked me to help. I said, "Nope!" and went back to what I was doing. The shop owner ended up doing the work. He did it for free! After it was all done, my boss had me and another dude take them to the scrapyard. We were pretty thorough about stripping anything of value.
There's no way I could bring myself to do it either. Fortunately we've never been asked to that sort of thing. It reminds of a customer I was dealing with at one time though. He was from a local welding shop and wanted to look at the drops of steel we had in AR400 for a target job he had. As we were walking back to look at the drops he starts going on about how much he hates guns and thinks they should all be banned. I don't know if by my appearance he assumed I felt the same or what but I let him go on with it. He said how he always charged them as much as possible because he hated guns but loved taking their money. After I showed him a couple pieces and he saw what he wanted I decided to speak. I told him he was immoral and unethical, that if he really had strong convictions he wouldn't make the targets at all and that it was wrong for him to profit from something he found so vile. I can't control who we sell to but I can make sure we don't give people any break on the price. He received no breaks. I will give Benchmade credit in that after the backlash they said they would decline if they were asked to cut down firearms again. Whether they did this because they really saw the error in doing something that is part a gun control agenda against the 2nd Amendment or they just realized how terrible the optics were for them with their customer base, I can't say for sure but I'm certainly leaning towards the latter.
@southside1975 I can absolutely respect that decision. Honestly I think Benchmade has tried to make amends for it but regardless it's something that can lose customers forever. I support LE deeply but would never facilitate or support the destruction of firearms. Especially in such a blatantly worthless endeavor.
edge retention is where the huge different is with the ones I bought to learn how to sharpen better.
That is a good point. I was actually sharpening the knock off bugout today and thinking of that exactly.
Great ending!
Thank you, I appreciate it.
Great video ! I was all into it and almost made it to the end and my stupid friend needed help. If he wasn't 7 feet tall and jacked I wouldn't have told him to pound sand lol
Thank you, and helping a friend in need is always more important. Especially if telling them to pound sand might get you pounded into sand. My favorite is the end of the video.
I've been collecting knives for years. Recently, I bought a $15 carbon fiber mini Bugout from Aliexpress. I was FLOORED. It's fantastic. The fit/finish are flawless, the action is great, the blade is perfectly centered and it came with a nice, even, sharp edge. The thought of giving Benchmade $280 for the 'real' version makes me laugh. It's probably 8Cr13MoV or 440C, but I don't care. I will cut all the packing tape and Amazon boxes that come my way. A few passes on the strop, and it's like a razor again.
I'm a little curious as to what kind of knives you've been collecting for years but regardless if you're happy with your purchase that's what matters most. The retail price of a Bugout isn't quite $280 for what it's worth.
@Alloy211 The mini Bugout carbon fiber at Blade HQ is $288. My clone was $15.31, SHIPPED. My knives range from Chris Reeve Sebenzas, to $300 m390 titanium handled flippers to $15 Rough Ryder slipjoint knives.
@beaurex4756 I appreciate the background, I see that model at SMKW does sell for that price as well. Although I'd definitely question the materials the AliExpress version is made of if you're happy with it I can't fault you for your opinion. I'd like to be able to compare them myself unfortunately I can't and will not buy directly from a few Chinese companies including AliExpress. Your perspective is considered and appreciated.
Benchmade brought this all on by them selves. Anti-gun and ridiculous pricing for what the knives really are. Benchmade set them selves up for the knock off knives that exist. I don't feel one bit sorry for what is happening to Benchmade in regards to knock-off knives and I'm not alone!
Apparently you're not a subscriber to the two wrongs don't make a right school of thought. Unfortunately many people think like that so at least you're not alone. Regardless of what Benchmade has done it doesn't make theft of their intellectual property deserved. But that's my perspective, and I don't try to justify actions in general.
@@Alloy211 Benchmade does not have any intellectual property rights to any part of their knives. Axis lock patent has expired, many companies use it today. Knife shapes are not exclusive to Benchmade. Whether you like it or not we live in a global society and that will never change. As I have stated before Benchmade brought it's problems on all by them selves with the pricing and political actions they have taken. We all know with modern machining available around the world, Benchmade knives are way over priced for what they are and they know it! That's why they are so upset with the knock-off knives in the market place that resemble their designs. Benchmade does not like the competition because it means changing their business model.
@@wayneanderson991 You said a lot there, but still apparently missed the point of what I was saying. I agree with much of what you're saying in many ways, watch my video on the Ganzo 729, but again two wrongs don't make a right and you should never live a life of justifying bad actions because you feel they are "deserved". I could into the R&D, product development and marketing that all companies put into their products and how it's wrong when a company that hasn't done any of that profits from it but you'd probably miss that point as well.
@@Alloy211 I have not missed your point. I have spent 40 years in manufacturing, some products were very high end technical products. It does not matter how wrong it is to take someone else's design, copy it and make a profit from it. It's going to happen and there is nothing you can do about it. Ask me how I know! I don't live a life of justifying bad actions and feel they are deserved. All one can do is move on and continue to compete. It does not matter what I think or feel about it. Crying about it solves nothing.
@@wayneanderson991 You may want to read what you wrote and understand that what you're advocating for is wrong. I can't help your ethical compass point in the right direction but I can argue against the normalization of that position. Assuming you have worked in manufacturing and development either you yourself is not above stealing or you've been stolen from and are just trying to make yourself feel better about it. Regardless either position is not preferred or objective. I will never agree it's ok, either through theft or inevitability, for a company to make a profit from something they didn't earn. At this point further engagement with you is pointless on this subject although I appreciate hearing your perspective I can never agree with it.
After Benchmade showed their anti-gun ass, I'll never own a Benchmade.
I can appreciate that perspective and respect the decision. Unfortunately through the years I've had to do the same with other companies myself.
@@Alloy211 I was working at a shop one time and the police showed up with drums of guns. I was working a different project and the owner asked me to help. I said, "Nope!" and went back to what I was doing.
The shop owner ended up doing the work. He did it for free! After it was all done, my boss had me and another dude take them to the scrapyard. We were pretty thorough about stripping anything of value.
There's no way I could bring myself to do it either. Fortunately we've never been asked to that sort of thing. It reminds of a customer I was dealing with at one time though. He was from a local welding shop and wanted to look at the drops of steel we had in AR400 for a target job he had. As we were walking back to look at the drops he starts going on about how much he hates guns and thinks they should all be banned. I don't know if by my appearance he assumed I felt the same or what but I let him go on with it. He said how he always charged them as much as possible because he hated guns but loved taking their money. After I showed him a couple pieces and he saw what he wanted I decided to speak. I told him he was immoral and unethical, that if he really had strong convictions he wouldn't make the targets at all and that it was wrong for him to profit from something he found so vile. I can't control who we sell to but I can make sure we don't give people any break on the price. He received no breaks.
I will give Benchmade credit in that after the backlash they said they would decline if they were asked to cut down firearms again. Whether they did this because they really saw the error in doing something that is part a gun control agenda against the 2nd Amendment or they just realized how terrible the optics were for them with their customer base, I can't say for sure but I'm certainly leaning towards the latter.
I didn't know that I have 4 BM not buying anymore.
@southside1975 I can absolutely respect that decision. Honestly I think Benchmade has tried to make amends for it but regardless it's something that can lose customers forever. I support LE deeply but would never facilitate or support the destruction of firearms. Especially in such a blatantly worthless endeavor.