DCS: Bf-109 Afrika Korps Vs Spitfire Dogfight
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You guys wanted some ww2 action so I had to dust off the old bf109 and bring her out for a test run, I'm not a great bf109 Pilot by any means and I can't aim her to save my life but I try my best lol. thanks for watching guys and I hope you enjoy the video.
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In case you guys didn't notice I can't aim the bf109 to save my life. Any tips on how to aim her would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys and hope you enjoyed the video
ZIG ZAG Ground ZERO thanks man I'm gonna be practicing my shooting with the bf109 for sure with those tactics.
the shots were aimed correctly, just a bit more lead, especially with that 30mm cannon, they are slow rounds and require quite a lead
Lupus Vulpes right right. That makes sense.
Growling Sidewinder once upon a time I was dogfighting a Flanker in my Hornet. I couldn’t get a lock in acm mode and I ran out of ammo with the funnel without a hit! I feel your pain with manual gunsights.. I have enough difficulty with the funnel let alone the F-5’s or a Warbird.
Do a TopGun reenactment!
The gunsight on the 109 is a Revi 16b. The inner ring fits the spitfire wings when your range is 115m. Sychronise your guns for 400 m. When you're at 115m or closer aim a little low(1 or two hackmarks, but not more), give it to him, and walk your g/s pipper up through him.
Congratulations, it appears you clipped in at about 400m!
In a 109, never try to match a Spitfire's turn for more than 45 degrees, his forte is horizontal, your's is the verticle.
Best climb and turn should be in the region of 270 to 290 km/h.
The above works in IL2 and CloD, if the modelling is as good or better than those sims, those tips should work in DCS as well.
Another great video, thanks.
Well that was extremely helpful
I hate having the pull the nose up to shoot and not being able to see. I tend to underlead a lot
defensive tactic with U-turn after horizontal move against high energy vertical turning spit was amazing!
thanks buddy
That engine sound man...man it’s nice
This game is amazing!!! Plus love the tacview
glad u like it man. maybe you get DCS for yourself
Love your channel's tacview debriefings.
It's almost impossible to use a boom zoom tactics in DCS because of low visibility. I think they need to fix that. In War thunder you can see far in DCS I can see a pixel. In VR is even worse.
They just patched an option for improved spotting like in il-2. But yeah it’s hard af seeing people beneath you
Before I even watched this I was like woaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh. Awesome growling sidewinder. Love your stuff man!!!!❤️❤️❤️
Madinga Hmar thanks brother, I appreciate that level of support. Happy to have guys like u on the channel.
this feels ancient already, you've come a long way GS!
I would love to see much more of WWII action on you channel! MAN that is amazing!
This fight is a beauty ! A slow dance of death. Very elegant! Congrats.
Great Vid! Every time I get one of these things in my notifications I’m like, “Yahoo!”
Michael Williams haha thanks I appreciate that. You'll be pleased to know there will be no shortage of videos like this in the future.
very nice cut of scenes, and analysis in the end!
thanks man glad you enjoyed it
Just found your Channel recently and im really enjoying this kind of content. Greetings from Germany
Pauliminator hi there that's great I appreciate u subbing and ur support. Welcome to the channel brother.
I love this Channel. Every Plane I search for to look how it is you have a Video of them 👍
great video love the BF109!
Nice video! I liked the Africa Corps vibe! Pretty cool!
One of my favorites ( IL2 Bf109g6 though) ! You did real good! One of the reasons that you missed is that the guns and cannon ( 2, MG 131 /13mm and 1 , MK 108/30 mm) have different mussel velocities. The MK 108 /30 mm has a greater drop , not like the MG 151 / 20mm which was in par with the 13mm velocity wise. But man you really turned the tables on one of the most maneuverable planes of all time! When I fly my G6 I only Boom and Zoom, that shows your really a pro bro! Love to see you fly the FW190 D 9 next! Thanks bro !
Nice! 👏 I'm gonna show this one to my grandfather ^^
Never turn fight a Spit boom and zoom. A 109 has a better dive speed, dive and the spit will follow, he will have to back off in the drive so as not to over speed,( a good Spit pilot will not follow you down but level out and gain speed, and wait for you to climb back up) then use that speed to climb up and till you stall and bring it down back on his head, even if you mess it up you will have more speed to climb back up and then Boom and zoom him... with you shooting get closer. With in 100m's
i think the 109s vertical turn is always better than an equivalent spifires vertical turn in flight simulators like il-2 so u can still dogfight the spit just not in the horizontal im guessing this is still the case with other sims
I'm not to sure, ive not got the spit or me109 in DCS, im just speaking in gen from other SIM games ive flown. Eg WT, IL2, but normal A.C. with the 109 is BnZ and energy tactics.. the hammer head or candlier works great in the 109 in all flight Sims and NEVER follow a Spit in a Defensive spiral.. big no no high yo yo all day
In war thunder, if you take the spitfire up into a vertical spiral you should be able to just kick the plane over onto the spitfires tail
If that doesn’t work you can force awkward firing angles and perform a high yo-yo
Edit: Going straight vertical won’t work though. It’ll make your plane sluggish, the spitfire has more engine power, it’s a recipe for death
Then it aint realistic. Spits would follow a 109 coz the 109 never stayed in a dive long, their tails would come off. You just wait til they start to pull out and boom. Dead. They always pulled out real gentle. Spit could pull back hard as you want.
@@JG10rBull you have no way of fighting spitfires 1v1 unless you are at lower BRs in war thunder or have an altitude advantage or speed advantage
There is just no way. A good spitfire player will kill you
Nice to see some variety there
Three things I’ve learned about the Bf-109
1.) Do. Not. Turnfight. Anything. Especially spitfires and anything Japanese
2.) Never follow a spitfire into a defensive maneuver or spiral
3.) When in doubt, go back up and try for another shot. 109s have the ability to disengage or break off if they need a better angle
I thought Bf-109 can turnfight P-38, P-47 and P-51.
Great video - as always!
But I have a problem with Spitfire's tactics right from the beginning till the very end. Going vertical against a Bf 109 with equal energy in the beginning of this fight was kind of suicidal. It almost worked due to your mistake, which you pointed out, but given other options you had (wide climbing spiral for example) you could have both ended merging again a minute later - this time with you at higher speed and with much better options to continue this fight.
As you said - descending spiral was a correct move for him. And again - I have no idea why he abandoned this plan. It was a good plan. The only viable I'd say. With high wing load of 109, he could have out-turned you after a while (even considering the disadvantageous situation of fighting 109K with IX). He didn't and you had your shot.
As to the aiming problems you mentioned. I have the same in similar situations. That said - I'm well aware that it is wrong to shoot at this point. With the angular speed he had hitting him was just the matter of probability and odds. In 1 vs 1 situation and in Bf 109K the odds were on your side, but doing the same in a plane with less ammo could be dangerous. A lag pursuit (a little wider spiral) followed by a steeply descending turn (to make radius smaller) could give you a better firing solution.
But your tactic worked - and that's important :)
C-Aviation thanks I like that idea with theag pursuit might give it a go. Never thought of that to get a better fire solution. I was always flying lead.
Lead pursuit gives you... well basically the lead. It may give you a firing solution, but the angle (and therefore angular speed) will be undesirable.
Lag, on the other hand, may put you on the outside and allow you to shoot more or less in the same axis as the target. The problem is - it requires a hard turn at one point. And for that you need a more agile plane or a maneuver that will allow you to tighten the turn - that's why I suggest staying a bit higher and then using this energy to get into position.
Inspired by you I flew this mission against AI Bf 109 in a Spitfire a couple of times. Just as I predicted - going vertical was pointless (and sometimes suicidal). But the descending spiral worked even better than I predicted. The trick was not to give the 109 any chance to use his superior speed or higher energy. So I had to get him to the deck and then I was able to use low-speed turning radius of the Spitfire to get on his six. Fortunately - it was just the AI. Veteran 109 driver would disengage when I was in a spiral and reposition for another attack. And with Spitfires IX lower speed - I wouldn't be able to disengage myself so the fight would be entirely his choice. Quite similar to the situation Germans had on the Eastern front in 1941 and 1942 (and partly later too).
That was realy fun. Thanks.
Thanks
Nice as usual and interesting as well. Thanks for the video!
The only thing - those are late modifications of the spitfire (with late Merlin motor) and bf109 (it has that "high" tail and plumps at its motor covers). Seems like Spitfire MK IX C and BF109 G10. Oh, even K-4. It's the last bf109 modification. So they can not meet in 1941, rather at the end of 1944 or 1945 year. But - this just a details...)
Анжей Ветер but then they wouldn't have been in Africa....but ya ur right man it's hard tho when DCS only gives us one variant to choose from.
Question: As you were both in that downward spiral, if the Spit had hard-left turned into the direction of the spiral, might that had brought his plane out of your field of view even more and given him a change momentarily brake the engagement for a new position? I love the TacView part of these videos. It really helps to understand dog fighting. One of my (many) pilot flaws are to pull to tight a turn, and kill my air speed to the point that I am easy pray.
Great video! I think that if he had kept a downward spiral instead of pulling up he might have been better off. A downward defensive spiral was used a lot in “Aces High,” but not much now. If the aggressor chops power, goes vertical and rolls, keeping the defensive aircraft directly over his canopy, whenever the defensive aircraft comes out of the spiral the aggressor can simply drop in on his six.
Another great video bro! Thanks for do a WW2 video! Does dcs have the f-16?
thank you. negative brother, only in MOD form....maybe you'll get to see it in the next video....
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Sweet! Have a good night man
TOTALLY not A COP u too buddy
Wow, the sound of Bf 109's engine is great, really real to the DB 605🥰.
Great vid mate. Wondering how ylu get all the external shots. Do you save then replay changing views for the video. I do this in my xp11 channel but not familiar with dcs yet. Downloading. ;)
Thanks glad u enjoyed it, yes you save replay and record again from external view, and then edit together.
Awesome video.
You should do more videos in the old piston engine fighters! I remember on the old History Channel Dogfights show they featured a dogfight where a Douglass A-1 managed to shoot down a MiG-17 over Vietnam
Finally a DCS player that discuss about details and who seems to have knowledge on what is going on!
Thank you sir
my pleasure mate thanks for watching
I loved to trick my high alt, high E, opponents in Sturmovik by making a large smooth turn holding my speed up and trying to keep em in my 3 or 9 o'clock position. When they start zooming in you keep em in 3 or 9 and do slow climb same time without losing a lot of speed or losing it at all. When they are closer, you pull your turn a bit tighter and nose 30 degree climb while they overshoot you give em small silouette and gain altitude. If they want to turn into you after dive (which is stupid because you lose all your E, and give advantage to me), you just keep your E advantage and let them lose theirs by going after you doing large turn with a climb. Eventually you gain advantage of the fight, you have more E, a bit more speed and alt. You can just make em stall if they that stupid to follow and dive in and finish your prey.
IF they dont turn on you aften zooming in, you just rinse and repeat until he commits the fight.
I really wish I were more knowledgeable about computers. I wanted to be a fighter pilot since I can remember, then when Top Gun came out that was IT. I've been hooked my whole life. This simulator looks like so much fun.
This one was visceral. No electronics. Just engine and guns!
Love those WW l l dogfights.
Nice fight
great stuff. some of your low slung commentary would be a great side addition.
That has got to be Awsome in VR.
Question: Real spitfires were supposed to have issues on a right hand turn. Apparently the line between stall and flying during the turn was a narrow one and you could easily drop into a spin. Is this modeled in DCS? Does DCS model engine torque on prop planes?
Never heard this one about the Spitfire. Are you sure you're not thinking of the Sopwith Camel? The Sopwith Camel definitely had problems with turning in one direction due to gyroscopic precession of its rotary engine. Turn one way, precession would hold the nose up and you could really rack it around quickly. Turn too tightly the other way, the opposite would happen - you'd end up in a spinning dive. I forget which was the "good" side. Note that Me109 and FW190 both had small wings, and were known to have nasty tip-stalling tendencies - in a tight turn one wingtip would stall and if you were at low altitude this could kill you, since the plane would roll onto its back. In mock fights with a captured FW190, the British test pilot flying the 190 avoided tight turns at low altitude for this reason. The Spitfire, on the other hand, had a lot of wing area and had washout at the tips, and was known for NOT dropping a wingtip even in a stall. Among other things, this made them easy to land (although once on the ground the narrow track landing gear made them a handful to control, compared to later fighters with wider gear).
I don't hear no growling sidewinder though 😊. Height is energy advantage even now in air combat maneuvering, probably what he should have done is rolled 180 and done a reverse vertical loop to get himself out of your forward flight cone. The Bf109F was the best handling 109 even if K was the hotrod, many pilots/aces persisted with it even when the heavier armed and faster G became available.
Mark Stanton haha I thought people could use a break from so many sidewinders
the K came out after the G bud
@@zacht9447 , yes in late 1944 but when did I say it didn't ?? The K was the hotrod and the F the best handling with the G being the unsatisfactory compromise in between.
If you don't have a subwoofer on your computer, go buy one. You can FEEL the 109's vibrations! Which variants of the 109 and Spitfire here? In the Western Desert the Spitfires would have been Mark Vs (one stage two speed supercharger) vs. Me109 F or G (probably F). Some Mark IXs were in use later (by July 1943 the Allies were already invading Sicily, the Mark IX entered service in late 1942) but the DAF mainly used Mark Vs with Vokes filters attached, which reduced performance somewhat. The one in the video looks like a Mark IX (four bladed prop), which would have been better than the Mark V at high altitudes, with its two stage supercharger.
Would you say that in this Tacview situation the best the SPIT can do (as your lead view is blocked by your nose) would be to - as tracers go by - reverse the direction , i.e. somehow make an unexpected move, so that he doesn't pop up in front of your nose all the time... If that makes sense?!
I love it
Hey mate if i find it there is a fantastic series on how to do this by another youtuber. Hes damm good at explaining it. Ill get back to you. Thanks for the reply re recording .. :)
By April 194 1 in North Africa, the Luftwaffe flew Bf 109Es, not Fs, and the RAF most modern fighters available were Hurricanes, not Spitfires.
nice vid, btw the bf109 k4 came into series in 1944
Gevin Wagner yaaaa it's the only version we have tho
Thought it was the G variant, how'd you tell the difference?
@@twinblade02 g6 has bulbs on the nose where machine gun cover Is. Allso g6 doesnt retrack tailwheel at all. K4 retracks it 100% inside.
Did you tag him with the 20mm earlier in his dive, or am I seeing things?
What map is that ? What I realized with both planes. In a tight turn the Target is out of sight, so you have to shoot without being 100% sure that he is still there.
Don’t turn fight the spits, use your climb advantage and boom and zoom them, depending on what mk of spit this is you can bleed their speed really easily. Love this dogfight.
Reading the WWII pilots accounts, the Spit, if flown properly, will win the turning fight.One of the best tactics against the 109 was a climbing spiral on the buffet if the 109 was behind. As the Spit has a lower wing loading, and the wing was designed to maintain its energy in the turn, the 109 with its high wing loading and leading edge slats will beed its energy and once the slats deploy that's it, it will drop out of the sky. The Spit should then be able to drop in behind and finish the job... all things being equal of course.
Hey, could you list your pc peripherals somewhere ? Joystick etc...
tip number 1, use cannons for kill shots. mgs for ranging
Not many people can say they have a faster lawn mower than a lot of airplanes of the time! This aircraft is a tiny airframe with a huge engine.
Jeff Shapiro a very beautiful and deadly lawn mower
Growling Sidewinder yea! I saw the New York Air Show last weekend. It’s amazing how propeller planes can pull turns.. jets can’t come close.
Never fight in the horizontal against a Spit when you're in a 109. If the Spit is closing in on your 6 you might try a chandelle to cause him to bleed more energy and to mess up his aim. A speed of about 270 kph is good for climbing to maximize the rate at which you're gaining energy. Try not to exceed about 350 kph in a dive, as 109s are notorious for their control surfaces stiffening up at high dive speeds. The German ace Erich Hartmann would basically wait until the enemy's plane filled his cockpit's view before firing. Hans-Joachim Marseille, who flew BF 109 F-4s in the Afrika Corps, was phenomenally good at deflection shooting.
So weird to not see missiles and a hud in dcs x'D
nice
Do you own IL2 sturmovik: Great battles?
If you want tips in aiming and flying WWII planes in DCS watch tutorials for it or just gameplays
Now I don't play plane Sims just enjoy watching other people play them but I am still going to give you a tip when it comes to leading:lead more than you think necessary and then just stop pulling let the enemy go through your beam of bullets
Good video BTW
George George can't believe I never thought of that lol. So simple. Thanks buddy.
@@GrowlingSidewinder NP
Omg
I wonder why DCS players never dive for clouds. Even a relatively small cloud can mask a hard turn enough to create separation for escape.
Hey are there any planes included in Dcs normandy maps?should i get the persian gulf or the nomandy?thanks
persian gulf is a much better map, and a lot more servers use it. so I highly recommend PG map over Normandy.
ayy WWII video
Were you only firing with machine guns? The reason I ask is that I could see your bullets/tracers. When I fire the Bf-109 cannon I dont get any tracers, but I do get tracers with the machine guns. Anyone else have this problem?
i dont think its a problem, its intended that way, the cannon doesnt carry too much ammo, I think your supposed to use the tracers from machine guns to correct ur rounds onto target and then when ur on target give a little burst of cannon to rip him up.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Makes sense! Thanks for the reply
You have an ME-109K in 1941 ? Impressive, hehe (they weren't mass produced until August of 1944).
Which model of Spitfire did you go up against ?
haha its the only model we have in DCS. thats a Spitfire LF Mk. IX
@@GrowlingSidewinder
ahh :D
Very enjoyable to watch, thanx for all the content :)
thanks for watching it mate.
Deflection shooting clearly ain't your thing, hehe. You have to get in close before you fire, also you gotta make sure that you're flying co-ordinated, i.e the turn & slip indicator (ball) got to be in the center, if you have a little side-slip when you're turning, you're gonna miss.
RickyboyH thaaaats what that ball is for, god damn thanks man. That's a huge tip. And no man I'm a horrible WW2 shot. Gotta work on that.
Lou Hodo here's another question for u guys since u seem to know what ur talking about when it comes to the 109, how do u avoid cooking ur engine in a climb? I've been just reducing throttle to 80%ish as I climb and watching the temperature gauge. Is that the right way to do it or is there another way?
Lou Hodo this is the k4.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Keep the throttle high enough for mw50 injection. It actually cools the engine. Only time to back off the throttle for engine cooling is if you completely stall plane out.
racerx26 ok I see, so back off the throttle as I start to stall.
Reticle is for straight shots really, in a turn your using your instincts, leading the target, and try to be close enough to the target
I stumbled onto this video, and have a question. I haven't played air combat games in almost 2 decades. I do have a great knowledge of military history. At 6:36, the Spitfire pilot has to choose how to shake off the 109. My question is; doesn't the Spitfire pilot have the option of just pulling into a tight turn and staying in it? I always understood that the Spitfire could outturn any aircraft except the model 21 Zero and the F6F Hellcat. Some of the posters here are undoubtedly real pilots, and I am not, so any information would be appreciated. Be as detailed as you like. I know enough about flight to be able to follow. Thank you in advance...
yes ur correct, the problem with this video is that I filmed it with AI as the opponent, and the AI is dumb as a door knob so they don't know how to exploit their aircraft's advantages.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Many thanks for the reply, Sidewinder.
ManilaJohn01 my pleasure
With these WWII aircraft there’s a sweet spot you want to always put the enemy plane. You had it a few times but to my frustration didn’t fire.
Гарна робота!
Bf109 is small, fast in a dive, very stable, meaning parallel center mounted gun platform. The 20mm was mounted through the inverted V12 crankshaft and out the center of the air screw, with the machine guns on top of the engine and through the "lawn mower blades", for stability. So it aims well compared to a cross fire, wing mounted, 8 x .30cal machine guns like the Hurricane, or .50cals of most allied fighters. It performs outstanding at altitude, but gets chopped to pieces down low, or in a turning fight. So never get into a turning fight especially with a Spitfire or Hurricane, since those large elliptical wings will out turn your high wing loading small Bf 109 wings. Be ware of the wing leading edge flaps, that drop down during positive G maneuvers, that can and will at first throw off your aim, but you really should try to avoid maneuvers that create such high angles of attack. Stay up high, pounce or dive on your opponent, slow shallow turns minding not to bleed off your energy, and keep that lawn mover spooled up and cooking. And for God sake lead fire you guns, those single barrel old school cannons especially had a relatively low velocity compared to these modern multy barrel 20 mm cannons. One more thing, all single engine prop job fighters had the tendency to turn one direction better than the other. This is dur to the counter rotation forces created by the engine rpm, and the air screw spinning through the oncoming air. This was particularly extreme in the Bfone 09, and it had the tendency to roll left under power, that was more apparent when throttle was applied, and less when throttle was reduced. Also the aircraft turned more sharply left, than right. This along with the narrow and angled landing gear, that had the benefit of lightened weight due to less sturdy wing structure for landing gear mounting purposes, also caused many new pilots lives. Because the aircraft had the tendency to roll left when throttle was applied suddenly, and once the tail was lifted off the ground during takeoff, and a gust of wind along with an odd bounce, would roll the aircraft over, killing the pilot by crushing the canopy. More Bf109's were lost in this manner than killed by the enemy. But in an experienced pilot, this can be used to outmaneuver the enemy as well.
Why don´t you use tracers with cannon?
I wish i could get tacview to work non of the planes show it takes me to the map area tho
Is there a North Africa map in DCS?
At 3:09.................Maybe try cutting the distance to the Spitfire by going in on a tighter turn. That way you can get closer and save your ammo.
IMO , your videos are much better without commentary.
Let’s see a ME 262 vs F -86 Sabre
OMG! Who was flying that Spitfire?? So bad.
Do you have discord?
Antoni Łękawa discord.gg/saCqWCx
didnt expect the bf109 to outturn a spitfire... but hey it worked
He was nearly stalling his bf109 every time to turn tighter (seems to me)
Even if the Spit pilot did eject, you would have shot him as he floated down under a parachute right?
Tips on fighting the Spitfire in the 109: On the merge, go vertical immediately. The Spitfire can't follow you up, it has to break off before the 109. By the time you are at the top of your climb the Spit should be below you and you should have more energy. Basically the 109 is an energy fighter, you need to Boom and Zoom if you wan't to beat Spitfires consistenly. Once you are on his six, don't follow him in horizontal turns, simply get as close as you can fire off a few shots on your pass and go vertical again. Any half-decent Spitfire pilot will outturn your 109 in horizontal turns, but they will really struggle against a 109 that keeps their energy up. You don't want to turn fight a Spit in a 109 ever. Sure you can follow him down in a downward spiral like in your video, but if he tries to go horizontal or up, go for a close range gun pass, break off, get above him and rinse and repeat. You also asked about aiming. Basically you want to hold your fire ideally until his whole plane fills up your reticule. I usually hold my fire until Im at least 100m from the enemy, most often I wait even longer until he fills up my entire windshield. Since you will ideally have more energy and more speed on your passes this shouldn't be too hard, as long as you remember not to follow him horizontally. Thats about it.
Please note: This applies mostly to online fights against real players. Against the AI you can get away with more, but the AI has a stupid tendency to cheat when flying vertically.
I would like to see a fight if you can of an f 22 or an f 35 against a Eurofighter Typhoon and a Dassault Rafale greetings
Looks like a (K model) me-109 which was not present in African theater. The G model was. Also the F
What I know about the 109 you should always try to keep your speed up(I guess that's the case with all fighters though lol) and go vertical. Spitfire is better in horizontal turns(Even though quite a few pilots from WWII claimed that 109 could outturn the spit) so don't try to turnfight a spit with 109. When it comes to aiming I remember reading about some 109 pilot who said that in order to shoot a turning enemy you should turn so much that the enemy is just hidden behind your nose and you would most likely hit him, so I guess you were very close to hitting him all the time(I quess you could've been a bit closer)
was against an ai or a person?
He met his shadow,hehe
Holy Firehose Mein Gott! Marseilles is turning over in his grave!
Horizontal empennage loss, you’re sol. On his second loop he should have made a low speed level turn instead of overshooting down again.
those cannon sounds are amazing
2:43 it looks like you’re pulling a little too much lead on the Spitfire. I wouldn’t know though I haven’t played a proper flight sim since Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator WWII European Theater
Is it free? The game you’re talking about not the one in the video
He was never going to win in that downward spiral, as the bf109 had a faster dive speed than the spitty.
What he should have done in realizing that he was going to overshoot on his descent towards you, was to use his energy advantage, and immediately bank left and nose up, in order to create separation and regain altitude. Although the bf109 had a faster climb rate, you were coming from a stall, so you have no momentum to initiate a climb with him. By the time you would have developed decent inertia, he would've had the altitude advantage once again.
Is it just me or do the bullets look like they are not going straight in the tac view? I realize that from the pilots POV they will appear to curve but in the tac view they should travel straight.
Matt Harmon well gravity would still affect them they'd eventually have to curve down.
Growling Sidewinder Actually, I looked and the video more carefully and the bullets are going straight. The set of bullets look curved due to the fact that they are fired sequentially.
If that spit was a good pilot, he would have stayed in a turn. Spitfires win almost every turn fight.
Force an awkward firing angle and turn into the opponent. Then the 109 is fucked
RedJive213 can’t when that BF 109 is behind you.
GOMEZ gomez
Exactly. Don’t let a 109 get on you six
Alternatively, try to out turn the 109. 109 will have to do a yo-yo or something of the sort to remain on your six. Then force the awkward firing angle
@Santiago Giuntoli Honestly almost 3 full circles was a bit lazy. He could have at any moment rolled over and pull out the other direction while the Bf109 is busy aiming or unable to see him. Imagine the Spitfire doesn`t show up behind your nose all of the sudden, now what?
Also as a pursuer you can tighten and losen a prolonged spiral much easier in relation to the other airplane functioning as a good reference point.
@Santiago Giuntoli The end of your comment makes you at best a troll at worst a sorry bitch.
Why the Spit, after SO MANY shots stays like train in trails? If you really play against an opponent, they 'll break at the first shot at least. This is like amusement park shooting.
this is why i stopped doing videos with AI and I use real people now, AI was just too stupid.
A great vid indeed, but... You were flying a Me-109K and that model is post 1944 against an early war Spit, the most historical mtch would'v been a Me-109F eithe F2 (lacklustre 15mm gun) or the better F4 (20mm one)... But great vid (as is the norm with you) nonetheless.
true, but thats the only version we have in dcs. thank you tho, I appreciate that oscar.
You say going vertical is a dead sentance, but thats the trick i normally use against other players in WingsOfDuty (if i have more energy than him of course)
Poor Budget Gamer right. I don't know how flight models are modeled in that tho. But if you have more energy than him ur safe. That's only true if u both have about the same energy. If u can leave him in ur dust when u go vertical u got no worries.
At the point you say he has a dilemma, his speed is .5M and yours is .3M. I'm thinking he should have gone vertical again. His slow circling spiral downward looked futile as he didn't out turn you and you slowly pulled lead. I thought the Spit was better at this. What if in stead of a downward spiral, he started a climbing spiral?
icin4d I think against a good bf109 that would be a death sentence but he didn't know I was a shit bf109 pilot lol. So had he known that ya he should have gone vertical I wouldn't have been able to follow. But if u assume the bf109 pilot knows what he's doing coupled with the bf109s very decent climbing abilities (under a good pilot) I wouldn't chance going vertical with him on my tail. Just my 2 cents.
So with both your speeds being relatively the same in the downward spiral, a Spit has no banking/turning advantage? Or was it just this pilot?
icin4d it's my understanding that the spitfire had a better turn radius than the 109 so I'm going to guess it's a fault of the spit for not wanting to pull the Gs required to out turn me.
do an f pole with it
First name, Surname actually lold at this
nice :)
One thing I can’t understand is for as realistic as all of these simulations are how do they not account for black out or red out. Half of those turns were pulling long g’s for several seconds.
oh they have that effect, I just dont turn it on for production purposes I figure people don't want to watch a video thats almost blacked out for most of it. if people ask for it I have no problem turning it on.
Honestly bro I think that would be awesome. Use your cut scenes for the visual effects and video yes. But blackouts really give some perspective on what dogfighting really is and how challenging it is.
Nicholas Monroy ok sounds good I'll add them into the videos and see if I get any feedback. It's worth a try.
Go for it, you’ll nail it. You have the best sims on RUclips right now.
thank you man. I appreciate that. I'll deff try it out.
I'm surprised the 109 could hold a sustained turn with a Spit!!
Marseille wouldn't have been surprised