F/A-18F Super Hornet Recon vs SA-13 "Gopher" 9K35 Strela-10 SAM in Hollywood-Style or rather MACROSS-Style Enjoy an don't take it seriously, it's just entertainment :P Take two
It's like when Terminator from the future needed to buy a power supply at present time. Terminator enters a store: - "I need a new power supply." - "Sure sir, which type of power supply do you need?" - "Any nuclear will do."
As a VAQ-140 maintainer...this is why we fly EA-18 Growlers...all SAM sites would've been, identified, jammed and destroyed before it even knew there was a jet in the sky.
@@janburda6749 cyberwarfare is still in development for optical/electro optical terminal guidance jamming. IR can be blinded, avoided and detected. These systems can't be jammed theoretically but threats from these sources can be minimized. As of now, optical missile systems aren't as common as heat seeking or radar detecting
@@carson3201 Well, I am still quite curious as to how a EW/SEAD would help the F-18 in the clip from being ambushed by a Strela-10 hidden in a forest.
@@janburda6749 just speaking generically, radar guided systems which are most common now would've been deemed useless. A set of flares would be enough to distract a IR sam from a strella.
Surface to air missiles don't slam into the aircraft. They have proximity fuses that cause the missile to explode next to the aircraft, releasing shrapnel.
killajakez as you said they EXPLODE, the misile in this scene dont explode it just burst slugs like a shotgun in one direction, a misile explode realising material in all directions, also misiles doesnt have that much fuel and they usually fly faster than an aircraft and the good ones turns closer
A lot of SAM's are like that. F4 pilots in Vietnam described them as Telephone pole sized shotguns. But yes, It was a little unrealistic with how long it tracked and took to hit ect. In reality if the missile misses the first time, it's pretty much done.
@@AbDeRRaHiMX the rest dont tho, and as much as I love it the chernobog is a pain in the ass to get set up, press h, go round and hope you get in the right seat before you get blown up
@@untrust2033 never use chernobog in a fight if you are visible on radar, activate ghost organization and put it somewhere open so no barrier will stop ur lock on, as soon as you fire at a jet its trapped and cannot attack you unless its very close, as the missiles would hit it as soon as it stop going in circles, and even in circles it will still get hit after sometime, and i mean all jets even pyro, mk2 has 0 chance, also if u get lucky and become beast in that event, dont waste the chance get a chernobog and take out ur enemies
the sad thing is that this is even "good" i saw once a american prop plane doing a cobra breaking all physic rules for killing a bf109. like inerthia suddently drops to 0 and the gravity goes between moon and jupiter in 10 seconds my heart skipped a beat that time
Virtually all anti-air missiles, whether fired by ground installation or by another aircraft, use annular blast fragmentation to destroy or damage their target. This is a more consistent and reliable way of hitting the target rather than relying on the missile making direct physical contact. The missile's warhead is ringed with metal rods that do the actual physical damage to the target when it detonates. Detonation, again, is by proximity, not by physical contact.
With that in mind, how realistic was the missile's detonation sequence here? I'm not talking about its trajectory or never-ending fuel supply or anything like that..... just specifically the impact. How realistic was it?
Damn I love the scene where the fuselage splits and the occupants engage the ejection seat.. then the explosive bolts fire.. canopy separates, etc etc. A top notch example of something you will never ever see in real life unless you are the pilot that needs a new plane.
Mr Brown The latest fighter jets don’t get detected by sams, they don’t need to fly that low for recon. SAMs are mach 8 now but don’t get a single hit these days.
I know there are a LOT of errors and totally ridiculous things about this scene, BUUUUUUUUUUT, it does give the sense of the terror that a missile coming at you might cause to pilots.... plus, it's epic and super entertaining. You can't deny that!
Bravo, and thank you for pointing this out my good sir because I was thoroughly confused by this somewhat radical inspection, or critique if you must. I thought we were watching a scene from a "movie"; Yet, you would have thought these guys just discovered General James Holmes himself attemted to play this video for thousands of unsuspecting fighter pilots before their BFM! Lol... All I can say is, thank the Lord this wasn't a clip from the movie Tropic Thunder. 🤣
Gary powers history 2.0 . In the case of the film you are dead in very high probability if misile impacts plane. 5 seconds and transition to black and end of the film... ... ...
I know, right? It's because it's super smart. No, missiles are infinitely faster than planes, so when they miss they overshoot and then that's it. They run out of fuel and fall from the sky.
Every movie is meant for a "gullible" audience then. There's no sound in space. F U STARWARS!!! DNA has a relative short lifespan. F U JURASSIC PARK!!! People in the middle ages had horrible teeth and knights were rapists. F U ALMOST EVERY KNIGHT MOVIE EVER!!! *sigh*
Can you explain to me what was happening here? The missile shot out projectiles, and did not strike the aircraft. Is this accurate? Proximity fuse? Please give me a SAM lesson, I can't find it online.
IAMGOD712007 Direct hits on fast maneuvering targets are very hard to achieve, so most air to air missiles and surface to air missiles (though not all) are equipped with some form of a proximity fuse. When the missile gets into its range, the proximity fuse detonates the missile and the shrapnel and blast from the missile are what achieve the kill. Now there are some SAMs and air to air missiles that require a direct kill, but this is considered by and large a less effective and less reliable method.
As a fighter pilot i can say this scene is pure fictional. Missiles typically do not “chase down” fighter jets as misrepresented in movies. An effective missile shot will have the missile reaching the aircraft with a much greater speed (like twice as fast). Once the motor burns out, the missile then glides to its target
Everyone with special knowledge will find movies silly when it crosses their expertise. I'm a chemist and the silliness that goes on in CSI😫 I don't doubt that nuclear plan workers cringe when watching The Simpsons.
This is ridiculous. Even playing a bit of flight sims tells you that: a. No missile flies like that. Once they've passed you, you're clear. b. I don't think that Master Caution goes on at a launch warning in the F-18. c. They're dropping just flares when they clearly state 'chaff', and dropping flares doesn't make any sense against a radar thread. However, I don't know how the F-18 CMS is configured. d. The typical American RWS/MWS doesn't sound like in the movie. They missed an opportunity here, too - It sounds way cooler. e. Once the F-18 is behind a mountain, the SAM breaks lock immediately and the missiles go ballistic. f. Why do they even enter the threat area with outer fuel tanks? Fuel tanks are typically dropped at fence-in (WAAAY before you're near your target), and all bomb stations should be immediately cleared if you have to be defensive (That's literally one switch, that gets thrown if you get the 'locked on' on your RWS).
You are right. However in reality a fighter jet against three SAM missiles will have a hard time no matter how advanced it is. Hollywood rarely depicts reality.
Three missiles at once isn't a problem. Most of the time, you defeat all at once with the same maneuver (if they're the same type). Three missile in short order is more difficult. It burns through countermeasures and bleeds energy because you have to counteract every one after the other. This leads to you without chaffs and flares with minimal air speed and low to the ground - then you're a sitting duck.
When I first watched this scene, I could overlook the missiles seeming to have an endless fuel supply, but the second missile continuing to function after striking the plane was completely unbelievable. It simply would've been too badly damaged to operate. This kind of ruined it for me. The rest of the movie was good, however.
It depends on the maneuvers used to evade it, if you look at the comm trails behind the SAM it flanks around trying to intercept it, also it does depend on the missile, that model I believe is Russian so it uses over-powering speed to catch it's target, that I could be wrong on though.
SAM missiles chase your butt around, just like these are doing. They usually don't fly long enough to be able to catch the maneuvering plane. They run out of fuel...
umaxen01 So I guess it's easier for them to intercept the aircraft than following its butt around... less maneuvering, less fuel waste. If it's following the aircraft from behind, i think it would waste more fuel - more maneuvers to hit the target
***** Maybe, but if it's using over-powering speed, I guess that intercepting the aircraft is the easiest way to hit the target... but i don't know. I'm not an expert :)
Exactly, there is currently no known missile technology that can endure that long, and that high a G Force. In theory, a drone type craft "could" do this kind of maneuvering and endurance but only at subsonic, supersonic would make the drone waste fuel faster than a dunk flushing a bottle of gin. So dramatic trick, but far from real.
Not taking seriously but: 1. 0:13 You don't joke about things like that. Pilots know EXACTLY what they are doing. "You sure about that?" Nah, just trying out my military grid system on the fly! -_- 2. You are using the F/A-18 for reconnaissance purpose. WHY would you fly so low? All reconnaissance purpose hardware are built for high altitude surveillance. Why would you fly over enemy territory at such low altitude? 3. If the SAM is looking for target, it would emit radar, and THAT would show up on RWS (Radar Warning Receiver) on the F/A-18. 4. SAM at THAT close range? Good luck dodging that. 5. Assuming that they CAN dodge the SAM, here are couple of facts that are missing: - WHY are they using so low number of flares when they should have plenty more? - Maneuver such as going high and pulling down.. in linear fashion is NOT the way to defeat a SAM. - If it is a heat seeker, then the RWR would probably not indicate SAM since the system can't detect heat signature instead of radio wave - If it is a radar guided, then RWR would detect it (as shown on the RWR (or radar screen) as two targets. HOWEVER, that would mean they are not heat seekers, hence deploying flares would be pointless. They would have to deploy chaff with RADAR jammer being active for effective counter against the missile. - If it is semi-active radar, I don't think it would even use heat seeker to get a pitbull. To get a pitbull, the missile itself would also use radar in close proximity to the aircraft. This method is used for AAMRAM typically. So no point in using it in such a close encounter. Nor do I think the missile is semi active. *** Dropping fuel pod to lure heat seeker away? WTF! 6. KEY NOTE: MISSILE DO NOT CHASE A TARGET. THEY INTERCEPT a predetermined, predictable trajectory where the plane "would be" after a given amount of time. 7. Even if they could CHASE, the amount of time they chase for being such small missile, their fuel would run out. 8. Once a missile miss you, there is NO WAY it will come back to attack you. And there's more. The list goes on. As the video uploader said, enjoy it as it is, but if you are an avid military hardware geek, this would ruin your day. In that case, laugh it off like it was a joke.
+M1TGLIED Ah! I see. However that is still not enough to justify the other facts. I mean the entire scene is for those who want to feel "the need for speed and explosion." It's wrong in so many ways...
Missile takes 3 seconds to close within 20 foot of the plane, that had a 30 second head start. Then proceeds to take 2 minutes to cover the remaining 20 feet.
Круто. Оказывается, ракеты у 9К35 работают на антиматерии с медленной аннигиляцией, а система управления использует как минимум суперкомпьютер и несколько датчиков для различных длин электромагнитной волны. Иначе я не могу объяснить, как твердотопливная ракета может так долго летать за самолётом, причём с трудом удерживаясь по скорости у него в хвосте, но не отвлекаясь ни на какие противозенитные манёвры, ложные цели и препятствия. Повторюсь, это круто.
Not only does the rocket motor never extinguish but it's also pulling 10-12 G's in the process................meanwhile disregarding all countermeasures. Fucking amazing SAM. Perhaps our military needs to consult hollywood on this amazing piece of technology!!!
The missile closes the gap between the launcher and a receding target to a 100 meters in 14 seconds. After that it chases the same target for more than a minute.
Everybody talking about the fuel while me here watching that missile just following and not hitting the target till the end of the scene finally, AND IT WASNT EVEN THE MISSLE😂😂😂
I'm not an expert but, isn't the missile supposed to be faster than the plane, because the chase was really long and I don't think the missile can make turns like that.
It can't, the SA-6 is radar guided and engagements will typically last only a few seconds. It travels a lot faster than an aircraft as well. The pilots either get the radar indication and are able to release chaff an maneuver or they get hit by it- there's no extended chase in real life. It's almost disturbingly fast in actuality, and it's how the F16 this movie was based on got shot down in real life.
The missile looks like neither the 9M31 (SA-9) or the 9M37 (SA-13), although the depicted launcher is definitely an SA-13 Gopher. The max speed of the target of a 9M37 or 9M333 missile when fired rear-aspect is 1120km/h. The F/A-18 can achieve and sustain 1400km/h at very low altitude. But regardless of the speed, the missile should have been decoyed by the first volley of flares.
one ,,little,, correction, this is from movie Behind enemy lines which was based on true events in Bosnia. First of all, it was not the F/A-18 but F-16 was shot down, second thing it got downed by ,,KUB 2K12,, sam sistem, not with ,,9K35 Strela-10,, and pilot was rescued after 6 days...
Uhh it's not based on the actual war. The Serbs shot down one F-16 and one F-117. The Serbs genocide is real in this movie, Fuckers killed innocent Bosnians.
Wow those missiles are slow. The f18 would be making moves like these at subsonic whereas in reality those missiles travel at hypersonic speeds and can turn drastically at high Gs.
+Constantine Joseph Typically, the misslemotor would have burned out 3 seconds after launch, the missle glides the rest of the way. If the maneuvering target makes the missle bleed energy in a turn, it becomes no more then a stick in the air, unable to turn. Theoretically, you could have a missle track you, run out of steam, follow you a bit co-energy, and then drop behind you when it runs out of it´s last bit´s of energy. The missle burner being constantly on in this movie is hollywood magic. It´s not a damn SA-10, it´s just a Strela.
Nope most missiles are low level missiles are Mach 2. Hard to find jets flying Mach 2 at low altitude due to more air particles as friction. F18 hardly travels at Mach 1.8 at max speed. The missile engagement is usually a very short sequence, either hit or miss. The pilot has to evade and use countermeasure at the right moment
Even short range missles off of popular saaw systems are really fast like 900m/s. So I still think that f/a 18 would've been toast. www.army-technology.com/projects/tunguska/
The part where the SAM hit the F18 and where the pilot ejected was so dramatic to me it got to the point where it was funny. But I know I’m reality it must me very scary.
I asked a Vietnam fighter pilot about this. Quote, "You cannot out run a SAM, but you can out maneuver it. So you out maneuver it until it runs out of fuel and falls back into the jungle." In this video they now have SAM's that never ran out of fuel??
the SA-13 strela missile only has range of 3 miles with a maximum speed of 1100 mph equipped with a dual mode photo contrast IR seeker head. so i think it is possible that the F-18 could dodge this missile but they have to try to break the lock.
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I love how the missile chases the F/A-18F Super Hornet way longer than it actually can. Another thing to note is that after missing the first time around, a missile will just crash into the ground or burn out.
Totally Not The F.B.I the speed of sound on sea surface approximately 340m/s or 1224km/h so both of them is faster than the speed of sound, but the sam is way faster than that lol... why'd you asking this question btw??
It all depends on altitude, speed and a litany of factors. This SAM would not have shot down this Super Hornet F-18 the way its portrayed, as the missiles would of run out of fuel. They dont re-correct without using shitload of fuel, and also they likely would of bit on the countermeasures as one does in an unconventional manner, blowing the external fuel tanks.
haha this is a cool video but like most movies it's not realistic at all. The missile wouldn't "chase" the fighter around like that. It has a very limited amount of fuel, travels and maneuvers much faster than a jet and would just intercept the fighter at a certain point. If it missed that intercept point it would just self destruct, not try to make a big turn and go back. There's no way you could run from it like that. A more likely scenario would be that the SAM's radar is jammed. In a situation like this where he has no jamming pod or support, that F-18 would probably be screwed. That missile has radar, infrared and optical guidance so just some flares alone aren't gonna stop it.
john bonora SAM's (and most solid rockets) burn up their fuel quickly and rely partially on their inertia. This is why flares/chaff/decoys work so well: if you dodge the missile, it will not have the fuel/inertia to come back around. Additionally, the missiles move much faster than the jet, so they will not sit behind the jet following it. But... it makes for better drama :)
Pro tip: When you get a launch warning, don't pull up to gain altitude. All that does is depletes your airspeed and make you an easier target. Instead, start deploying chaff, get as low as possible, and do your best to out-maneuver the missile (you can't really out-maneuver a missile, but making a lot of movement will force the missile to turn with you, allowing you to essentially bleed the missile's energy). Anyone with knowledge of military aviation hates this movie lmfao
They can be seen on high altitudes but not that low, SAMs maneuvering is not practical in this video. it will hit the jet in a split second if on target course. Old ones were not reliable. Don't know about the new ones. But i can say that the Russians are the best in G2A missile systems.
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Ah yes. I remember this scene. The SAM with the never-ending fuel supply.
and the unrestricted seeker gimbal that NEVER lost sight of it's mark
and how the Newtonian laws of physics just don't apply to the turning circles for a Mach3+ missile!
And the 30-second ejection sequence.
It's like when Terminator from the future needed to buy a power supply at present time. Terminator enters a store:
- "I need a new power supply."
- "Sure sir, which type of power supply do you need?"
- "Any nuclear will do."
Movie name please?
I just read that last missile was a Harvard graduate before enlisting in the Russian Air Force.
LMAOL- WELL ITS A DAMN SMART MF MISSILE
😂
Nice profile pic 😉
@@MlTGLIED who's?
@@MlTGLIED Thank you Dave
That missile has higher IQ than me.
real missile has higher IQ than author (producer). and real missile more
faster. in real pilot can dodge one time
Trump voter? Then .. yeah.
@@dsrutherford9197 Savage
Lol
The missile knows where it is, by knowing where it isn't
I never knew that those missiles can refuel midflight.
🤣
Don't you know they run on Hollywoodium
@@nash-p while being made out of chinesium
Same way they never have to reload in gunfight scenes.
The 2nd missile was a refueling one.
missile with an infinity amount of fuel?
Hollywood
Powered by the hopes and dreams of the sovie....... I mean "mother Russia" ....
+Skuad Kore
Wtf are you talking about surface to air missiles can follow the target for at least 5 minutes .
+Skuad Kore Powered by the anger of the Serbs...
not with that kind of maneuverability. Once the seeker head loses lock on the target, there's no way for it to somehow do a 180 and lock on again.
2:10 This Missel are a fucking TIE Fighter
Thus is the fate of enemies of the EMPIRE...!!!
Yush, so You heard it too :P
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Dying right now 😂😂😂
The same weapon system that caused Harrison Ford's plane "crash" probably...
*knock knock*
"who's there"
"it a me, SAM"
😂😂😂😂😂😃
Knock knock
Whos there
Its DEATH
That one is so bad that it is good again xD
Hahahha
Knock knock
Who's there
SAM
SAM who?
Surface to air missile
Oh shi..
Very smooth landing. And realistic. No need to eject.
agree it's just like a normal ryanair landing
Remember this video huh?
1:28 some Star Wars sound effect.
Yeah😂
Tie fighter blaster noise
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To all the people complaining about how unrealistic this is: Its a FUCKING MOVIE.
Byron Henry Yeah scenes from Behind Enemy Lines
+Rocker One you will regret that..
mayyaah it's probably you that will regret him becoming a fighter pilot!
As a VAQ-140 maintainer...this is why we fly EA-18 Growlers...all SAM sites would've been, identified, jammed and destroyed before it even knew there was a jet in the sky.
How does one jam an optical/IR missile system?
@@janburda6749 cyberwarfare is still in development for optical/electro optical terminal guidance jamming. IR can be blinded, avoided and detected. These systems can't be jammed theoretically but threats from these sources can be minimized. As of now, optical missile systems aren't as common as heat seeking or radar detecting
@@carson3201 Well, I am still quite curious as to how a EW/SEAD would help the F-18 in the clip from being ambushed by a Strela-10 hidden in a forest.
@@janburda6749 just speaking generically, radar guided systems which are most common now would've been deemed useless. A set of flares would be enough to distract a IR sam from a strella.
weird missile, fly subsonic has a lot of fuel, and has fucking shotgun instead of explosives
Surface to air missiles don't slam into the aircraft. They have proximity fuses that cause the missile to explode next to the aircraft, releasing shrapnel.
killajakez as you said they EXPLODE, the misile in this scene dont explode it just burst slugs like a shotgun in one direction, a misile explode realising material in all directions, also misiles doesnt have that much fuel and they usually fly faster than an aircraft and the good ones turns closer
Yes. Depends on what kind of missile. The new generation of post Soviet SAMs can turn pretty bad ass though.
A lot of SAM's are like that. F4 pilots in Vietnam described them as Telephone pole sized shotguns.
But yes, It was a little unrealistic with how long it tracked and took to hit ect. In reality if the missile misses the first time, it's pretty much done.
Foxtrop13 not all missiles are the same dumbass...
GTA 5 Players be like: just spin in circles lol
The way the missiles follow instead of going in a straight line and intercepting annoys me so much
Yup
@@untrust2033 chernobog missiles kinda intercept though
@@AbDeRRaHiMX the rest dont tho, and as much as I love it the chernobog is a pain in the ass to get set up, press h, go round and hope you get in the right seat before you get blown up
@@untrust2033 never use chernobog in a fight if you are visible on radar, activate ghost organization and put it somewhere open so no barrier will stop ur lock on, as soon as you fire at a jet its trapped and cannot attack you unless its very close, as the missiles would hit it as soon as it stop going in circles, and even in circles it will still get hit after sometime, and i mean all jets even pyro, mk2 has 0 chance, also if u get lucky and become beast in that event, dont waste the chance get a chernobog and take out ur enemies
Hollywood: _Makes a thrilling movie about the US military_
WT and DCS players: *_"And I took that personally"_*
the sad thing is that this is even "good"
i saw once a american prop plane doing a cobra breaking all physic rules for killing a bf109. like inerthia suddently drops to 0 and the gravity goes between moon and jupiter in 10 seconds
my heart skipped a beat that time
@G E T R E K T Is DCS worth all they money?
F18 D hornet
@@armyquite4348 F/A-18F Super Hornet
@@Fox2-Videos ohh hehehe
Non F18 hornet
F18 super hornet 💪💪
This is absolutely one of the BEST action scenes of all time. It really put your home theater Surroundsound system to work !!!
Did you know? What is this movie name?
@@jatupongkhaykhong419 behind enemies lines
Ace Combat rules: If jinking right or left doesn't shake the missile, you're probably going to die anyways.
No its fly in circles till missile lock sounds stop.
True dat.
The GTA school of flying
OWNYOMAMA or use the mig-31 and go full-speed
Pasquale Caputi would work if the Mig could reach full speed instantly
That missile made Jericho missile made by Stark Industry, AI controlled by Ultron system 😂
No, it's THAAD SAM
That is a stupid-ass AI
Virtually all anti-air missiles, whether fired by ground installation or by another aircraft, use annular blast fragmentation to destroy or damage their target. This is a more consistent and reliable way of hitting the target rather than relying on the missile making direct physical contact.
The missile's warhead is ringed with metal rods that do the actual physical damage to the target when it detonates. Detonation, again, is by proximity, not by physical contact.
With that in mind, how realistic was the missile's detonation sequence here? I'm not talking about its trajectory or never-ending fuel supply or anything like that..... just specifically the impact. How realistic was it?
The reason why you first see the iron dome explosion and then the qassam/whatever
Как с мс 17
unless its the british Rapier
So what happened in the scene
I keep coming back to this because it's so intense and awesome.
Damn I love the scene where the fuselage splits and the occupants engage the ejection seat.. then the explosive bolts fire.. canopy separates, etc etc. A top notch example of something you will never ever see in real life unless you are the pilot that needs a new plane.
i agree.
And the plane's IBM hard drive is burned....
Underrated.
@@liveandinstereo that too.
@@liveandinstereo to protect it’s secrets I gather
ya that was very detailed ...
SAMs are way faster than jets, they would catch up with the Super Hornet very easily.
Naht my uncle sam
agreed... cuz SAM is the Surface to Air Missile which mean it must faster than the target to take it down. :)
Muhd Zikry You, sir, deserve a medal. here, have my like.
Can it catch what Starscream died as in dark of the moon?
+Luis Henrique faster they are for sure, is it more manouverable too?
When you Got a Opressor MK II on you.
When ur flying around and get a Chernobog lock and suddenly you got 5 op missiles on your tail.
MK II IAM SO FUCK
DELUXO HI
STROMBERG IM ARE ONE SHARK
Jet p99 lazer Hi,iam still alive to you 3.
no it's an APC with a SAM Battery
And you're flying with Bombushka xD
You're here lol
This was like a train wreck
So many things were stupid or wrong but I just couldn't look away
Gave me a good laugh
The solid rocket drive only burns for a maximum of 12-15 seconds, everything else is Hollywood.
depends. if it's two stages than it can be much longer. one short boost stage and one long, low thrust burn to keep the speed
These fun days are over now.
Latest SAMS don't give you a chance to show acrobats. They just give u few seconds to exit the seat
Mr Brown The latest fighter jets don’t get detected by sams, they don’t need to fly that low for recon. SAMs are mach 8 now but don’t get a single hit these days.
@@TboneI989 No man even f117 Nighthawk got killed.
Sure there's developed aircrafts which can manoeuvering against Sam's such as f35
@@TboneI989 they got s400 Sam's grand son
Reinhard Gellen LoL F35 worst? That’s why most of the worlds governments are clamouring to buy them as quickly as possible right?
0:48 When you’re in 1st place in Mario Kart and someone fires a blue shell.
To your point. ruclips.net/video/-YRDtGM0lCw/видео.html
why not some mario kart music over this chase scene.
Watching this after seeing the new top gun movie really makes you appreciate how well made it is.
Pilot: I know some advanced maneuvers to shake this missile
*Slightly turns left*
The enemy: Wow, this guy knows some maneuvers
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They finally did it! They created a eternal energy!
I know there are a LOT of errors and totally ridiculous things about this scene, BUUUUUUUUUUT, it does give the sense of the terror that a missile coming at you might cause to pilots.... plus, it's epic and super entertaining. You can't deny that!
Bravo, and thank you for pointing this out my good sir because I was thoroughly confused by this somewhat radical inspection, or critique if you must.
I thought we were watching a scene from a "movie"; Yet, you would have thought these guys just discovered General James Holmes himself attemted to play this video for thousands of unsuspecting fighter pilots before their BFM! Lol... All I can say is, thank the Lord this wasn't a clip from the movie Tropic Thunder. 🤣
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@@CebastyanBoh..your the type of those guys who rise up at someones birthday party and have an never ending speech..
Gary powers history 2.0 . In the case of the film you are dead in very high probability if misile impacts plane. 5 seconds and transition to black and end of the film... ... ...
Легендарный фильм: в тылу врага.
Ну и филм я не видел но очень заинтересовался филм классны
i like the way how SAM slows down when it passed the plane and accelerates again
I know, right? It's because it's super smart. No, missiles are infinitely faster than planes, so when they miss they overshoot and then that's it. They run out of fuel and fall from the sky.
*Kamikaze*
@@timstich1052 how much faster than planes are they?
@@thegreatafrican3367 Missiles can go anywhere from Mach 2.5 to Mach 5.0 depending on the missile, the altitude, the temperature, and its weight
@@Nick-jl2yp Yeah, I recently came to know s 400 missiles go mach 15 afterlaunch
Future of war thunder
DCS now.
dixievfd55 haha yea
8.0 Ground Forces. The SA-2, SA-3, and SA-8 are all within the GF time-frame.
after the naval update i will not be suprized if they made a new tier for jets used today
Imagine we have to deal with these kind of bullshit. 4 missiles chasing you.
Nobody:
Oppressor Mk2 missiles: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!
This whole sequence is a joke.
SAMs fly at least at mach 3. This is meant for a gullible audience. Also, these were optical... so, there is no way the plane can survive.
Every movie is meant for a "gullible" audience then. There's no sound in space. F U STARWARS!!! DNA has a relative short lifespan. F U JURASSIC PARK!!! People in the middle ages had horrible teeth and knights were rapists. F U ALMOST EVERY KNIGHT MOVIE EVER!!! *sigh*
Can you explain to me what was happening here? The missile shot out projectiles, and did not strike the aircraft. Is this accurate? Proximity fuse? Please give me a SAM lesson, I can't find it online.
IAMGOD712007
Direct hits on fast maneuvering targets are very hard to achieve, so most air to air missiles and surface to air missiles (though not all) are equipped with some form of a proximity fuse. When the missile gets into its range, the proximity fuse detonates the missile and the shrapnel and blast from the missile are what achieve the kill. Now there are some SAMs and air to air missiles that require a direct kill, but this is considered by and large a less effective and less reliable method.
wich is the full speed of f18?
***** Yeaaaa... nobody understands that there's dozens of SAM systems out there.
0:46 that sign saying "indicator" got me laughing for the whole video lmao
What about the missile with unlimited propellant? 😂😂
@@d.h.2509 Lol that's classic 😂
Thanks to Mover now every time i see this Rhino pulling such Gs with the external tanks all i can hear is "Maintenance is gonna be pissed"
Maintenance be like: "You did WHAAAT with the external tanks on?!?!?! REEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!"
yeah :)
I love that everyone here just became military aviation experts.
As a fighter pilot i can say this scene is pure fictional.
Missiles typically do not “chase down” fighter jets as misrepresented in movies. An effective missile shot will have the missile reaching the aircraft with a much greater speed (like twice as fast). Once the motor burns out, the missile then glides to its target
movie name? @
@@ninopurceladze2209 Behind enemy lines
Hell yea
@@ninopurceladze2209 dude I found you in a comment I wouldn't think to find you lol
Everyone with special knowledge will find movies silly when it crosses their expertise. I'm a chemist and the silliness that goes on in CSI😫
I don't doubt that nuclear plan workers cringe when watching The Simpsons.
the aircraft recon camera has a red light that goes on when recording starts LOL
This is ridiculous.
Even playing a bit of flight sims tells you that:
a. No missile flies like that. Once they've passed you, you're clear.
b. I don't think that Master Caution goes on at a launch warning in the F-18.
c. They're dropping just flares when they clearly state 'chaff', and dropping flares doesn't make any sense against a radar thread.
However, I don't know how the F-18 CMS is configured.
d. The typical American RWS/MWS doesn't sound like in the movie. They missed an opportunity here, too - It sounds way cooler.
e. Once the F-18 is behind a mountain, the SAM breaks lock immediately and the missiles go ballistic.
f. Why do they even enter the threat area with outer fuel tanks? Fuel tanks are typically dropped at fence-in (WAAAY before you're near your target), and all bomb stations should be immediately cleared if you have to be defensive (That's literally one switch, that gets thrown if you get the 'locked on' on your RWS).
You are right. However in reality a fighter jet against three SAM missiles will have a hard time no matter how advanced it is. Hollywood rarely depicts reality.
Three missiles at once isn't a problem. Most of the time, you defeat all at once with the same maneuver (if they're the same type).
Three missile in short order is more difficult. It burns through countermeasures and bleeds energy because you have to counteract every one after the other.
This leads to you without chaffs and flares with minimal air speed and low to the ground - then you're a sitting duck.
well that missile was infrared guided so using flares makes sense but it still said chaff. tho sonetimes chaff is deployed in conjunction with flares.
F-18 speed is about 2000 km/h
SAM missile speed is 5000+ km/h
Also, what kind of missile is that? It shoots you instead of blowing you up?
GeFlixes in very close distance like that of the movie you have very little time to avoid anything.
When I first watched this scene, I could overlook the missiles seeming to have an endless fuel supply, but the second missile continuing to function after striking the plane was completely unbelievable. It simply would've been too badly damaged to operate. This kind of ruined it for me. The rest of the movie was good, however.
missiles don't chase after an aircraft, they intercept it.
It depends on the maneuvers used to evade it, if you look at the comm trails behind the SAM it flanks around trying to intercept it, also it does depend on the missile, that model I believe is Russian so it uses over-powering speed to catch it's target, that I could be wrong on though.
SAM missiles chase your butt around, just like these are doing. They usually don't fly long enough to be able to catch the maneuvering plane. They run out of fuel...
umaxen01 So I guess it's easier for them to intercept the aircraft than following its butt around... less maneuvering, less fuel waste. If it's following the aircraft from behind, i think it would waste more fuel - more maneuvers to hit the target
***** Maybe, but if it's using over-powering speed, I guess that intercepting the aircraft is the easiest way to hit the target... but i don't know. I'm not an expert :)
I'm not an expert either, but with the propulsion those SAMs use would work either way within a mile, maybe, I could be mistaken on the model.
Radar-guided SAM on your six!
Drop flares! hehehehe
LOL
you deploy chaff for radar guided not flares
No one know what type of SAM was firing to you, So they dispense both chaff flares at the same time
Arapsaudi
indonesis
That SAM was more inteligent than George Bush.
That's not difficult.
And since when the fuck do you compare shitty politicians with good missiles? :D
That's right
if it were any smarter it would write a book.. and read it to you
Ana Paula You meant smart then Obama
Это просто короткометражка или отрывок из "полнометражный",
Как фильм называется???
This is just a cutdown scene from “Behind enemy lines” if anyone was wondering
FOR EVERYONE WHO SAID "A SAM IS MORE FAST THAN F-18", IT'S A FUCKING FILM
The movement of the missile relative to its target is fundamentally wrong. Also, the rocket engine works for a really short time, measured in seconds.
Exactly, there is currently no known missile technology that can endure that long, and that high a G Force. In theory, a drone type craft "could" do this kind of maneuvering and endurance but only at subsonic, supersonic would make the drone waste fuel faster than a dunk flushing a bottle of gin. So dramatic trick, but far from real.
Filip Vidinovski oh sit back and enjoy it’s just TV
This is a true story, so they probably made the missile chase longer to add excitement to the movie.
Its powered by vodka. Made by papa Stalin.
F5Storm1 there is literally no missile on the planet that chases. Literally nons
what movie name
Behind enemy lines
Not taking seriously but:
1. 0:13 You don't joke about things like that. Pilots know EXACTLY what they are doing. "You sure about that?" Nah, just trying out my military grid system on the fly! -_-
2. You are using the F/A-18 for reconnaissance purpose. WHY would you fly so low? All reconnaissance purpose hardware are built for high altitude surveillance. Why would you fly over enemy territory at such low altitude?
3. If the SAM is looking for target, it would emit radar, and THAT would show up on RWS (Radar Warning Receiver) on the F/A-18.
4. SAM at THAT close range? Good luck dodging that.
5. Assuming that they CAN dodge the SAM, here are couple of facts that are missing:
- WHY are they using so low number of flares when they should have plenty more?
- Maneuver such as going high and pulling down.. in linear fashion is NOT the way to defeat a SAM.
- If it is a heat seeker, then the RWR would probably not indicate SAM since the system can't detect heat signature instead of radio wave
- If it is a radar guided, then RWR would detect it (as shown on the RWR (or radar screen) as two targets. HOWEVER, that would mean they are not heat seekers, hence deploying flares would be pointless. They would have to deploy chaff with RADAR jammer being active for effective counter against the missile.
- If it is semi-active radar, I don't think it would even use heat seeker to get a pitbull. To get a pitbull, the missile itself would also use radar in close proximity to the aircraft. This method is used for AAMRAM typically. So no point in using it in such a close encounter. Nor do I think the missile is semi active.
*** Dropping fuel pod to lure heat seeker away? WTF!
6. KEY NOTE: MISSILE DO NOT CHASE A TARGET. THEY INTERCEPT a predetermined, predictable trajectory where the plane "would be" after a given amount of time.
7. Even if they could CHASE, the amount of time they chase for being such small missile, their fuel would run out.
8. Once a missile miss you, there is NO WAY it will come back to attack you.
And there's more. The list goes on. As the video uploader said, enjoy it as it is, but if you are an avid military hardware geek, this would ruin your day. In that case, laugh it off like it was a joke.
+максим серебров Can't read Russian. Anyone know what he said?
+mindsoulbody
he wrote:
"3. The radar could be turn on in the last moment, like in Serbia-incident"
+M1TGLIED Ah! I see. However that is still not enough to justify the other facts. I mean the entire scene is for those who want to feel "the need for speed and explosion." It's wrong in so many ways...
+максим серебров english please?
Amen
"Made in USA" .... "Destroyed in Yugoslavia"
you can't detect a Fox 2, it's passive-infrared. The pilot/aircraft would have no idea unless he saw it launch.
Missile takes 3 seconds to close within 20 foot of the plane, that had a 30 second head start. Then proceeds to take 2 minutes to cover the remaining 20 feet.
they put the missile in Holywood mode
Imagine if S-400 or S-500 ?
it's a phase changing missile with quantum intrication, that's why his buddy cam so fast
Missile needs some footage & excitement before it blows itself up. Understandable
@Joe Barone Yea!! A Sam missile with a never ending fuel. Could have reached Mars.
Behind Enemy Lines was a pretty good movie.
Круто. Оказывается, ракеты у 9К35 работают на антиматерии с медленной аннигиляцией, а система управления использует как минимум суперкомпьютер и несколько датчиков для различных длин электромагнитной волны. Иначе я не могу объяснить, как твердотопливная ракета может так долго летать за самолётом, причём с трудом удерживаясь по скорости у него в хвосте, но не отвлекаясь ни на какие противозенитные манёвры, ложные цели и препятствия. Повторюсь, это круто.
Not only does the rocket motor never extinguish but it's also pulling 10-12 G's in the process................meanwhile disregarding all countermeasures. Fucking amazing SAM. Perhaps our military needs to consult hollywood on this amazing piece of technology!!!
The missile closes the gap between the launcher and a receding target to a 100 meters in 14 seconds. After that it chases the same target for more than a minute.
I am a Russian air defense officer. You don't know the real possibilities YOURSELF. You wouldn't have a chance. Pray.
It's from the movie "behind enemy lines'
Thank
The "Made in USA" on the nose at the end got me
I like how at 1:20 the airplane starts to crab into the turn and you can see the moment the pilot steps on the ball to correct it!
Everybody talking about the fuel while me here watching that missile just following and not hitting the target till the end of the scene finally, AND IT WASNT EVEN THE MISSLE😂😂😂
I'm not an expert but, isn't the missile supposed to be faster than the plane, because the chase was really long and I don't think the missile can make turns like that.
It's all for Hollywood spectacle... in reality, most surface to air missiles travel many hundreds if not thousands of meters per second.
irfan123100 A lot of this wasn't very trustable. The SAM can't track like that. It doesn't do multiple attempts at attacking the plane.
It can't, the SA-6 is radar guided and engagements will typically last only a few seconds. It travels a lot faster than an aircraft as well. The pilots either get the radar indication and are able to release chaff an maneuver or they get hit by it- there's no extended chase in real life. It's almost disturbingly fast in actuality, and it's how the F16 this movie was based on got shot down in real life.
Ali Sadeq Well said.
The missile looks like neither the 9M31 (SA-9) or the 9M37 (SA-13), although the depicted launcher is definitely an SA-13 Gopher. The max speed of the target of a 9M37 or 9M333 missile when fired rear-aspect is 1120km/h. The F/A-18 can achieve and sustain 1400km/h at very low altitude. But regardless of the speed, the missile should have been decoyed by the first volley of flares.
I don’t care what anyone says, the Egress breakdown is awesome!!!!!!!!
one ,,little,, correction, this is from movie Behind enemy lines which was based on true events in Bosnia. First of all, it was not the F/A-18 but F-16 was shot down, second thing it got downed by ,,KUB 2K12,, sam sistem, not with ,,9K35 Strela-10,, and pilot was rescued after 6 days...
watch?v=1lRMz1H8RUg
Vuk Mistović Yes, it's right! But this movie was supported by Navy and not AirForce. That's why F-18 ;)
this is first time I have seen this video but I knew it has something to do with Bosnia , because of the mountains
it's a fucking movie
Uhh it's not based on the actual war. The Serbs shot down one F-16 and one F-117. The Serbs genocide is real in this movie, Fuckers killed innocent Bosnians.
Atrás das linhas inimigas. Fui inspirado na história real na guerra da Bosnia. Gostei do filme. Valeu a recordação.
Yeah in order to prevent a genocide nato did a genocide and declared themselves as innocent civilian killers
Filme name?
Realism 100
But more seriously, this is painful to watch after playing some DCS
*_Relatable 100_*
Yep, the fucking Sam always hits me
Finally!!!! man DCS players are a rare find. hmu
Uuh you play DCS :)
@@julietbravo nice
Wow those missiles are slow. The f18 would be making moves like these at subsonic whereas in reality those missiles travel at hypersonic speeds and can turn drastically at high Gs.
+Constantine Joseph not hypersonic just supersonic its not more advance missile its a sa 13 Gopher its 350 m sec or 1260 kmh maybe mach 1.1
+Constantine Joseph Typically, the misslemotor would have burned out 3 seconds after launch, the missle glides the rest of the way.
If the maneuvering target makes the missle bleed energy in a turn, it becomes no more then a stick in the air, unable to turn.
Theoretically, you could have a missle track you, run out of steam, follow you a bit co-energy, and then drop behind you when it runs out of it´s last bit´s of energy.
The missle burner being constantly on in this movie is hollywood magic.
It´s not a damn SA-10, it´s just a Strela.
***** These missles don´t travel that fast.
Nope most missiles are low level missiles are Mach 2. Hard to find jets flying Mach 2 at low altitude due to more air particles as friction. F18 hardly travels at Mach 1.8 at max speed. The missile engagement is usually a very short sequence, either hit or miss. The pilot has to evade and use countermeasure at the right moment
Even short range missles off of popular saaw systems are really fast like 900m/s. So I still think that f/a 18 would've been toast. www.army-technology.com/projects/tunguska/
If that pilot it was Tom Cruise , than he will not only escape the missile , and also taking a SAM's picture.
0:25 as of now the IDEM camera doesn’t exist on an F/A-18F; there is however the SHARP recon pod.
The part where the SAM hit the F18 and where the pilot ejected was so dramatic to me it got to the point where it was funny. But I know I’m reality it must me very scary.
"talk to me, Goose"
One of the best movies ever. For me it's right behind Top Gun and went to Owen Wilson's best performance movies
Movie name please?
I asked a Vietnam fighter pilot about this. Quote, "You cannot out run a SAM, but you can out maneuver it. So you out maneuver it until it runs out of fuel and falls back into the jungle."
In this video they now have SAM's that never ran out of fuel??
If it was a CF-18 it would have survived 😁😂
No waaay dude, you comment on my video 😍I love your videos.Greetings from Germany
No way it would be diving and crying like sidney crosby
Oooof from the US
Probabally iti s FA- 18...not CF
Really? I would think that the Canadians would pass the mission .
the SA-13 strela missile only has range of 3 miles with a maximum speed of 1100 mph equipped with a dual mode photo contrast IR seeker head. so i think it is possible that the F-18 could dodge this missile but they have to try to break the lock.
Ah yes. They fired the SAMs that have infinite fuel and rear facing seekers.
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I think this is behind the enemy lines
I love how the missile chases the F/A-18F Super Hornet way longer than it actually can. Another thing to note is that after missing the first time around, a missile will just crash into the ground or burn out.
Its powered by vodka. Made by Stalin. #motherrussia
Not a Super Hornet. This is an old film, Behind Enemy Lines.
@@crableg2128 😂🤣👍на русской водке
Pathetic a SAM can reach 10,000 km/h and a F-18 maybe 2,000KM/h.
SAM should destroy F-18 before pilots try do something.
Totally Not The F.B.I the speed of sound on sea surface approximately 340m/s or 1224km/h so both of them is faster than the speed of sound, but the sam is way faster than that lol... why'd you asking this question btw??
F18 max speed is 1915 km/h when s400 max speed is 7200 km/h. Normal sam got speed biger than 3000 km/h. Even a stinger can shoot down an f18.
It all depends on altitude, speed and a litany of factors. This SAM would not have shot down this Super Hornet F-18 the way its portrayed, as the missiles would of run out of fuel. They dont re-correct without using shitload of fuel, and also they likely would of bit on the countermeasures as one does in an unconventional manner, blowing the external fuel tanks.
Thomas Wolsey
don't take it seriously it's just an entertainment
Thomas Wolsey in serbia is shot down F16 not F18
2:39 this is so satisfying for me :D
The missiles of 9K35 System in this film have more fuel than its in real life, lol
An F18 nearly keeping pace with missiles? Thats a riot.
Worlds longest burning solid fuel rocket motor.
haha this is a cool video but like most movies it's not realistic at all. The missile wouldn't "chase" the fighter around like that. It has a very limited amount of fuel, travels and maneuvers much faster than a jet and would just intercept the fighter at a certain point. If it missed that intercept point it would just self destruct, not try to make a big turn and go back. There's no way you could run from it like that. A more likely scenario would be that the SAM's radar is jammed. In a situation like this where he has no jamming pod or support, that F-18 would probably be screwed. That missile has radar, infrared and optical guidance so just some flares alone aren't gonna stop it.
U guys notice that the fuel supply of the Sam is never ending
SAM AA missles do not have that range... anyway..movies are movies
Yes they do, some modern SAM systems have range in excess of 400km.
john bonora SAM's (and most solid rockets) burn up their fuel quickly and rely partially on their inertia. This is why flares/chaff/decoys work so well: if you dodge the missile, it will not have the fuel/inertia to come back around. Additionally, the missiles move much faster than the jet, so they will not sit behind the jet following it.
But... it makes for better drama :)
antiprotons
Sure, but what im saying is that many SAM systems do actually have the range and fuel capacity to travel the distance shown in this vid.
The distance, perhaps, but not the maneuverability (following the plane).
your absolutely right.
1:51 like dat sound of the second tank hitting the ground
that missile has more fuel than a ship
true
3 minutes is more than a ship, really!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@alastair9446 A missile doesn't have 3 minutes of fuel
Never knew a SAM could fly that long. It can't.
Pro tip: When you get a launch warning, don't pull up to gain altitude. All that does is depletes your airspeed and make you an easier target. Instead, start deploying chaff, get as low as possible, and do your best to out-maneuver the missile (you can't really out-maneuver a missile, but making a lot of movement will force the missile to turn with you, allowing you to essentially bleed the missile's energy). Anyone with knowledge of military aviation hates this movie lmfao
you wont see it coming
Thanks. I'll remember this when I'm taking the kids to school in the morning.
@@milorichards1962 LOL! 😂
in gtav i just fly in circles, the missile doesn't catch up 👍
S(oviets)A(nnihilates)M(urica)
When you pull up , you loose energy and airspeed...basics
As in convert speed to height and vice-versa.
Buddy of mine is an Air Force pilot. This scene is super unrealistic, according to him.
Ah yes, a SAM with hundreds of kilometers of range… what poppycock
The F18 couldn't dodge it in real life.. SAMs are too fast to even see
Depends. Practically all SAMs leave a smoke trail. Most IR SAMs are also quite slow.
They can be seen on high altitudes but not that low, SAMs maneuvering is not practical in this video. it will hit the jet in a split second if on target course. Old ones were not reliable. Don't know about the new ones. But i can say that the Russians are the best in G2A missile systems.
In Real life it will dodge it or fail at try but the fcking missile wonßt go after you like a tie fighter.
if you try to outrun SAMs, you will blow up. if you maneuver against its velocity, you might get to see another day
You can´t outrun a sam but you can dodge/jam it more or less easly, to see the next day.
F18 F Super Hornet : one of the world most advanced fighter..
Common SAM : Hold my beer..
Defeating a real Sam shot takes from 8 to 14 seconds. That was all Hollywood.