I think one of the biggest downsides of the Clone Wars being a kid's show where the good guys need to win the majority of the time is that it kinda makes the CiS look incompetent a lot of the time
You can tell the character of a jedi by how they choose to use immoral means to achieve a needed victory. Obi Wan will fake a surrender. Anakin will use CIA tactics to interrogate an enemy. Ki Adi Mundi will just BRING UP THE FLAMETHROWERS!
Some Lore channels claim the attack was poorly executed. I think they miss how quickly it had to be put together and executed for strategic reasons: - This was a enemy droid factory. Taking it out quickly was paramount, for it could literally out-produce any invading force In fact, if they didn't have the convenient bridge, the rushed out super tanks would have wiped them out on their own - they learned of it rather suddenly and had to quickly deploy what little forces they had available. They didn't have the luxury of months of planing and scouting for a known enemy factory planet. The forces they used were probably earmarked for other operations before they learned of it. - they enemy was likely trying to get a force ready to secure the orbit or relief the planet. They could not sit around, sieging it.
Not to mention, shield generator was protecting their factory thus making any orbital bombardment useless. It’s like Hoth situation where Admiral Ozzel came too close to the system to alert the rebels of their presence to set up their shields. Therefore, ground assault is out of necessity despite its costs.
I like the fact that this channel addressed why the Republic fleet above Geonosis did not just bombard that droid factory from the orbit. That will saved a lot of time, manpower and resources. P.S: Burning the Geonosians alive is a war crime! And that is the good enough reason why Ki Adi Mundi deserved Order 66.
As much as I love Star Wars, the scale issues are bothering me more and more as I get older. The numbers involved should be significantly greater in really every single way
No they shouldn't not all worlds in star wars are like corrucunt even in the real world you only have to capture certain strategic points to win tho I agree with the scale sometimes you have to look at the real world since that is where most troop counts and tactics in star wars come from.
@@Ghostfury2004 Even on less populated world the numbers should be higher. WW2 saw millions of soldiers on the front lines just on the European front. 6 Venators and some other ships shouldn’t be able to take a home world after little more than a raid. It’s that whole “200,000 units read with a million more well on the way” issue. Lucas for all his world building skill really struggled with scale
@Findinavia your not wrong but you got to remember the clones where not the only forces the republic had just elite troops who where deployed to major fronts of the galaxy.
@@Ghostfury2004 thing is you actually don't have to remember that because you're never told that and non-clone troops are almost never shown in popular media - forcing the audience to do homework and analyses to logically explain the misleading sense of scale in your story is bad storytelling and worldbuilding
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If we're going by the ground Complament of the Venator and Accalmators, it would 12,000 from the Venators and 160,000 from the Accalmators totaling at estimated 172,000 if they're carrying a Full Complament. However, if we're going the Organization structure, this would bigger than a Sector Army (147,456). Further more, while 4 Corps (36,864) make up a Sector Army, something Luminara, KiKi-Adi-Mundi, and Obi Wan command, Anakin is said to be in command of the 501st Legion (9,216). So if we take in account the 3 Corps + the 501st, it could be estimated to be around 119,808 Clones participated in this battle. This is well within the Carrying Capacity of the 10 Accalmators while it can be specalated the Venators went in without a Ground Complament and focus on it's Starfighter Supremacy during this battle.
Star Wars, future tech, ancient tactics. Lol The Clone Wars showed us, that in the event of an invasion of Earth by 4 Venators, Earth would win handily, and the United States would be the subject of war horror stories lol
It's been noted that a lot of planets had the majority of what could be considered their ruling systems to be in one city most of the time,even entire systems were controlled by a singular planet. Which is also why,once you overcome hyperlanes that cause simple blockades to work so well plus sensors that prevent easy sneaking around said blockades,it was quite easy to set up insurgencies,because you had an entire planets' worth of space to work with. And then you have the planet wide city on Coruscant that multiple invaders have failed to take over,but none of them got to point where they had to take on the quite daunting task of controlling the many,many layers that could easily hide soldiers in ambush. As for Earth...the Venators would win,because all they would need to do is fire warning shots at every continent from orbit,and there wouldn't be a single thing we Earhtlings could do about it...save for one method,one mentioned in a documentary that explored how an alien race might invade(I think it was on Discovery),after mentioning that yes,using nukes the normal way wouldn't work in space due to the lack of atmosphere unless you directly hit the vessel with it,but as tests shown with buried nuclear warheads,the damage caused would be much less. Instead,use the nuke in a container of water to launch a thick metal disc into space,similar to how the Fireant Scout robot used its' anti-tank copper disc launcher(which blew up the robot)or insurgents in the Middle East would use to attack convoys with buckets of explosives,the kinetic impact being sufficient to really smack the aliens.
@@NareshSinghOctagon the Venators could orbitally bombard earth, but thats not an invasion. Nor would the governments just roll over. Their superior tech might give some advantage, but they simply don't have the numbers, and the tactics of earth's militaries are beyond what we've seen in Star Wars. As for Nukes, they exist in Star Wars, and are extremely rare. Most ships and tech are designed with nukes in mind, much like how armor isn't designed for bullets in mind In fact, Star Wars ships and armor are uniquely susceptible to kinetic munitions. Bullets and "mass driver" shots. "Mass driver" being the catch all term for kinetic ship based weapons. Sure they could orbitally bombard, but they wouldn't be able to occupy the planet. And would more than likely lose most if not all ground forces they land.
@@alexanderrahl7034 ,I see you have not heard of gunboat diplomacy nor that you've seen Episode I. The governments would give into demands,becuase the alternative is having vast amounts of people completely obliterated with no real defence,along with many billions,if not trillions,of tax payer funds spent over many centuries getting smahed. Sure,if it did come to that,Earthlings could quite easily start insurgencies and win in the long run,but if the current governments in the world actually had backbones like that,either none of the internatonal issues we have of today would exist,or we would be having this debate through smoke signals whilst wearing our casual hazmat suits. They also wouldn't need to destroy much,just the major members of the UN and NATO,the rest will either surrender or choose not to interfere,allowing whoever is using said Venators to take whatever it is they want from the planet,and then contend with the insurgency. Hence,gunboat diplomacy,Earthlings will give in,some might even seek to do so willingly for the chance to dominate others. And we know such tactics exist in Star Wars,because Episode I shows exactly that,the whole blockade of Naboo was gunboat diplomacy that spiralled beyond the initial scope thanks to Palpatines' influence. Now for the tangent about you not knowing how nuclear warheads work nor how armour works in Star Wars. The main destructive element of a nuclear warhead is the explosive blast that produces a shockwave,and shockwave need a medium to travel through. Aliens in our orbit would have an obvious immunity to this,and our own testing has shown that direct hits using them produce far less damage then what we want out of them. But,unless you made an error,there's no such thing as a nuclear proof vessel in Star Wars,any vessel in an atmosphere in the vicinity of a large nuclear warhead will get severely battered,if not outright knocked out,by the shockwave. Radiation proof for sure,space is filled with the stuff,after all. As for armour itself,the plastoid used by the Clones Troopers and Stormtroopers is very much bullet resistant,needing either specific armour piercing rounds or big enough rounds,and that's just the infantry,let alone all the durasteel vehicles and the four massive flying battlecarriers with shield projectors and tractor beams. And that's assuming whoever is attacking isn't using beskar. Meanwhile,the attacker has plasma flinging blasters and massive turbolasers that literally melt through anything,might not cause death through blood loss but glassing of the chest is not survivable. Yes,mass drivers would work great...but no,mass driver is NOT a catch all term for all kinetic weapons,a mass driver is very specifically a kinetic weapon that launches a very heavy,dense,and hard projectile at insanely high velocities in order to smash through everything and its' mother in law that dares stand in its' path. Typical depictions involve a large launching charge combined with an electromagnetic accelerator barrel. Most kinetic weapons of today lack said barrel,and therefore lack the velocities needed. In short,the four Venators either wouldn't even need to attack to get what they want or would deal so much damage that they can then get what they want with ease,and would depend entirely on how they decide to move forward. Which would be as easy as just having the vessels in orbit for the vast majority of time and picking off whoever dares to show themselves when they go do their planetside business.
I am really enjoying these clone wars documentaries. But I do wish they had more content outside of the battles that we know from the clone wars series. Although I do realize that there are scares sources of material to work with. But if You have other material I would love to see it. also love the battle animations you guys use.
I wonder how many Star Wars fans realized EA GAMES could have made a Star Wars and Dead Space cross over game and it actually would work and fit into the lore of star wars
Tbh, this invasion should have been red flag for the jedi. Because all they plans for the invasion was clearly leaked to poggle and thry should have investigate this more.
@tenarmurk yes, but like it was stated during the episode by commander cody *The enemy was well prepared for our attack they knew our every move.* -Commander Cody which Obiwan should realized when only he made it to the landing zone and everyone eles was shoot down.
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Poggle is one of those names that's intentionally kind of funny, and ten times funnier with 20 years of hindsight
George really predicted gold on that one
And his sad ass is only "The Lesser".
I dont get it. Anyone feel lile explaning?
@spyrofrost9I158 I fear the might of Poggle the Greater
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This Skywalker guy really is everywhere.
I think one of the biggest downsides of the Clone Wars being a kid's show where the good guys need to win the majority of the time is that it kinda makes the CiS look incompetent a lot of the time
Conversely, when the CIS did win it was shown to be devastating for the Republic.
And to add to that,the canonical reason why they lost was because Palpatine had subtly caused them to take bad moves.
You can tell the character of a jedi by how they choose to use immoral means to achieve a needed victory.
Obi Wan will fake a surrender.
Anakin will use CIA tactics to interrogate an enemy.
Ki Adi Mundi will just BRING UP THE FLAMETHROWERS!
Some Lore channels claim the attack was poorly executed. I think they miss how quickly it had to be put together and executed for strategic reasons:
- This was a enemy droid factory. Taking it out quickly was paramount, for it could literally out-produce any invading force
In fact, if they didn't have the convenient bridge, the rushed out super tanks would have wiped them out on their own
- they learned of it rather suddenly and had to quickly deploy what little forces they had available. They didn't have the luxury of months of planing and scouting for a known enemy factory planet. The forces they used were probably earmarked for other operations before they learned of it.
- they enemy was likely trying to get a force ready to secure the orbit or relief the planet. They could not sit around, sieging it.
Not to mention, shield generator was protecting their factory thus making any orbital bombardment useless. It’s like Hoth situation where Admiral Ozzel came too close to the system to alert the rebels of their presence to set up their shields. Therefore, ground assault is out of necessity despite its costs.
This! Plus they had to act quickly to take Seps by suprise!
@garidronin numbers alone don’t guarantee victory. There is more than numbers.
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I like the fact that this channel addressed why the Republic fleet above Geonosis did not just bombard that droid factory from the orbit. That will saved a lot of time, manpower and resources.
P.S: Burning the Geonosians alive is a war crime! And that is the good enough reason why Ki Adi Mundi deserved Order 66.
I've never seen a bigger dick of a Jedi than Mundi...like, how can you be such a jerk and still be a Jedi??
As much as I love Star Wars, the scale issues are bothering me more and more as I get older. The numbers involved should be significantly greater in really every single way
No they shouldn't not all worlds in star wars are like corrucunt even in the real world you only have to capture certain strategic points to win tho I agree with the scale sometimes you have to look at the real world since that is where most troop counts and tactics in star wars come from.
@@Ghostfury2004 Even on less populated world the numbers should be higher. WW2 saw millions of soldiers on the front lines just on the European front. 6 Venators and some other ships shouldn’t be able to take a home world after little more than a raid. It’s that whole “200,000 units read with a million more well on the way” issue. Lucas for all his world building skill really struggled with scale
@Findinavia your not wrong but you got to remember the clones where not the only forces the republic had just elite troops who where deployed to major fronts of the galaxy.
@@Ghostfury2004 thing is you actually don't have to remember that because you're never told that and non-clone troops are almost never shown in popular media - forcing the audience to do homework and analyses to logically explain the misleading sense of scale in your story is bad storytelling and worldbuilding
@daepappy Actually in one of the episodes in the senate padme does bring out that there other soldiers apart from the clones fighting in the republic
Definitely one of the top 3 Clone Wars story arcs
Keep up the amazing work Wizards and Warriors!
I love this channel. I recommend it all the time when I'm discussing subjects like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, House of the Dragon, GOT, etc. I've commented before, but I'll say it again; the maps are fantastic. The animations add to the wonderful writing and amazing narration, combining for fantastic and informational videos. I love this type of storytelling for battles and lore. Great job always!
For the Republic
If we're going by the ground Complament of the Venator and Accalmators, it would 12,000 from the Venators and 160,000 from the Accalmators totaling at estimated 172,000 if they're carrying a Full Complament.
However, if we're going the Organization structure, this would bigger than a Sector Army (147,456). Further more, while 4 Corps (36,864) make up a Sector Army, something Luminara, KiKi-Adi-Mundi, and Obi Wan command, Anakin is said to be in command of the 501st Legion (9,216).
So if we take in account the 3 Corps + the 501st, it could be estimated to be around 119,808 Clones participated in this battle. This is well within the Carrying Capacity of the 10 Accalmators while it can be specalated the Venators went in without a Ground Complament and focus on it's Starfighter Supremacy during this battle.
great vid keeop them coming and more GOT and LOTR as well
Great work on this series! loving it.
Are there any elder scrolls videos planned for the next time?
The boys and I remember the Second Battle of Geonosis well. For the Republic!!!
Well it looks like more Anakin war crimes time
I love the 2nd Battle of Geonosis
Star Wars, future tech, ancient tactics. Lol
The Clone Wars showed us, that in the event of an invasion of Earth by 4 Venators, Earth would win handily, and the United States would be the subject of war horror stories lol
It's been noted that a lot of planets had the majority of what could be considered their ruling systems to be in one city most of the time,even entire systems were controlled by a singular planet.
Which is also why,once you overcome hyperlanes that cause simple blockades to work so well plus sensors that prevent easy sneaking around said blockades,it was quite easy to set up insurgencies,because you had an entire planets' worth of space to work with.
And then you have the planet wide city on Coruscant that multiple invaders have failed to take over,but none of them got to point where they had to take on the quite daunting task of controlling the many,many layers that could easily hide soldiers in ambush.
As for Earth...the Venators would win,because all they would need to do is fire warning shots at every continent from orbit,and there wouldn't be a single thing we Earhtlings could do about it...save for one method,one mentioned in a documentary that explored how an alien race might invade(I think it was on Discovery),after mentioning that yes,using nukes the normal way wouldn't work in space due to the lack of atmosphere unless you directly hit the vessel with it,but as tests shown with buried nuclear warheads,the damage caused would be much less.
Instead,use the nuke in a container of water to launch a thick metal disc into space,similar to how the Fireant Scout robot used its' anti-tank copper disc launcher(which blew up the robot)or insurgents in the Middle East would use to attack convoys with buckets of explosives,the kinetic impact being sufficient to really smack the aliens.
@@NareshSinghOctagon the Venators could orbitally bombard earth, but thats not an invasion. Nor would the governments just roll over. Their superior tech might give some advantage, but they simply don't have the numbers, and the tactics of earth's militaries are beyond what we've seen in Star Wars.
As for Nukes, they exist in Star Wars, and are extremely rare. Most ships and tech are designed with nukes in mind, much like how armor isn't designed for bullets in mind
In fact, Star Wars ships and armor are uniquely susceptible to kinetic munitions. Bullets and "mass driver" shots. "Mass driver" being the catch all term for kinetic ship based weapons.
Sure they could orbitally bombard, but they wouldn't be able to occupy the planet. And would more than likely lose most if not all ground forces they land.
@@alexanderrahl7034 ,I see you have not heard of gunboat diplomacy nor that you've seen Episode I.
The governments would give into demands,becuase the alternative is having vast amounts of people completely obliterated with no real defence,along with many billions,if not trillions,of tax payer funds spent over many centuries getting smahed.
Sure,if it did come to that,Earthlings could quite easily start insurgencies and win in the long run,but if the current governments in the world actually had backbones like that,either none of the internatonal issues we have of today would exist,or we would be having this debate through smoke signals whilst wearing our casual hazmat suits.
They also wouldn't need to destroy much,just the major members of the UN and NATO,the rest will either surrender or choose not to interfere,allowing whoever is using said Venators to take whatever it is they want from the planet,and then contend with the insurgency.
Hence,gunboat diplomacy,Earthlings will give in,some might even seek to do so willingly for the chance to dominate others.
And we know such tactics exist in Star Wars,because Episode I shows exactly that,the whole blockade of Naboo was gunboat diplomacy that spiralled beyond the initial scope thanks to Palpatines' influence.
Now for the tangent about you not knowing how nuclear warheads work nor how armour works in Star Wars.
The main destructive element of a nuclear warhead is the explosive blast that produces a shockwave,and shockwave need a medium to travel through.
Aliens in our orbit would have an obvious immunity to this,and our own testing has shown that direct hits using them produce far less damage then what we want out of them.
But,unless you made an error,there's no such thing as a nuclear proof vessel in Star Wars,any vessel in an atmosphere in the vicinity of a large nuclear warhead will get severely battered,if not outright knocked out,by the shockwave.
Radiation proof for sure,space is filled with the stuff,after all.
As for armour itself,the plastoid used by the Clones Troopers and Stormtroopers is very much bullet resistant,needing either specific armour piercing rounds or big enough rounds,and that's just the infantry,let alone all the durasteel vehicles and the four massive flying battlecarriers with shield projectors and tractor beams.
And that's assuming whoever is attacking isn't using beskar.
Meanwhile,the attacker has plasma flinging blasters and massive turbolasers that literally melt through anything,might not cause death through blood loss but glassing of the chest is not survivable.
Yes,mass drivers would work great...but no,mass driver is NOT a catch all term for all kinetic weapons,a mass driver is very specifically a kinetic weapon that launches a very heavy,dense,and hard projectile at insanely high velocities in order to smash through everything and its' mother in law that dares stand in its' path.
Typical depictions involve a large launching charge combined with an electromagnetic accelerator barrel.
Most kinetic weapons of today lack said barrel,and therefore lack the velocities needed.
In short,the four Venators either wouldn't even need to attack to get what they want or would deal so much damage that they can then get what they want with ease,and would depend entirely on how they decide to move forward.
Which would be as easy as just having the vessels in orbit for the vast majority of time and picking off whoever dares to show themselves when they go do their planetside business.
Verily it is a most positive thing that these insects cannot shoot true!
FOR THE REPÚBLIC
I am really enjoying these clone wars documentaries. But I do wish they had more content outside of the battles that we know from the clone wars series. Although I do realize that there are scares sources of material to work with. But if You have other material I would love to see it. also love the battle animations you guys use.
Oof, those episodes with the Geonosian zombies/brain worms really disturbed me.
Such a good arc but the zombies and brain bugs were terrifying
Yesss more Clone Wars 😊
Merci ❤
I wonder how many Star Wars fans realized EA GAMES could have made a Star Wars and Dead Space cross over game and it actually would work and fit into the lore of star wars
Everyone who read “Death Troopers” (ie zombie outbreak on a stranded ship) was immediately on that hype train.
Could you make a helldivers lore video?
It would be interesting on how they would show the battles since there is not much info
Good thing those bugs can't aim 💥💀
Where you get the map?
Clone wars D-Day
Can you do a video on the Jamestown? Incident.
So those who benefited from the Clone Wars:
Banks
corporations
Politicians
and the military industrial complex (Komino).
Ah right Star Wars' version of D-day
Can you do a video on battle of helios one and the purifier please
One year anniversary since The Clone War began
Tbh, this invasion should have been red flag for the jedi. Because all they plans for the invasion was clearly leaked to poggle and thry should have investigate this more.
How so? Poggle was preparing for an invasion this entire time. What plans seem leaked ?
@tenarmurk yes, but like it was stated during the episode by commander cody *The enemy was well prepared for our attack they knew our every move.* -Commander Cody which Obiwan should realized when only he made it to the landing zone and everyone eles was shoot down.
Why the Republic did not orbitally bombard the planet's military forces in the Battles of Geonosis 1 and 2, I shall never know. 8:38 TAH DAH!
I heard of that Skywalker guy. I hope he'll survive the war and never get burned after visiting a lava planet
2:54 It's Cato Neimoidia not "Cato Neimoida". You're both saying and spelling it wrong.
Wow
Source material seems like it was written by a six year old, it's just so incredibly bad
Geonosis, aka War Crime proving grounds
We’ve had The First Battle of Geonosis what about Second Battle of Geonosis.
Star wars is for little kids and feminists,when are you going to continue the 40K Horus Heresy saga?
Star Wars CW lore is better than the entire fucking Warhammer lol.
@@wmetz1869 🤣 ok kid
and 40K is for neckbeards and edgelords. Whats your point?
@@Capt_CrimsoN neck beards? Don't you ladies also sport facial hair 🤣
@@Capt_CrimsoN Is "captain crimson" a euphemism for your period? 🤣
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