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@josephsatricleofevillanuev3194 bulgaria is stronger than logic though, real reason Russia doesn't declare war on NATO is not because of nuclear armageddon with the united states but because bulgaria is strongest country in the world 💪💪💪💪
@@dietrichdietz yes, there were mostly Croats and Austrians but still. Also the principle of following ethnic boundaries was not applied to the other territories, not even slightly.
If you claim to be Hungarian, but don't have at least 1 playthrough in Hearts of Iron IV where you restored Greater Hungary, then you're not truly Hungarian
@@bencesomorjai6632 yeah and even HERE they get super rare and you need months for get an appointment. Idk what they did for management here in Europe but there are somethings going haaaaaardly wrong. But in Germany the debate was rarely so heated as now
The funny part is how France was telling to stop this "horrible empire" when they had territories in Asia, Oceania and Africa being used to extract their resources.
French colonialism was hypocritical from the start, claiming to bring civilization to africa and asia but really only trying to compete with england imperial power. Trianon was also just about realpolitik : they couldnt dissolve germany in the treaty of versailles so they just surrounded it with friendly power by carving up hungary.
@@Medvelelet your answer is more relevant that the commentary. There was a tacit agreement that Europe was a different place from the others thus the comparison is strange contrary to the comparison with the way of how the regional languages have been swept away in France
Yeah well the British used the same against Czechoslovakia and their treatment of Germans in the Sudetenland... Not to brag or anything, but ethnic minorities in Czechoslovakia had the best rights in Europe with the right to language, work, vote everything... Meanwhile the British were raping Africa like nothing happened
But we all know that first there were Serbs, then developed the amoebae, and after several hundred millions of years of evolution, the rest of the nations developed.
As a romanian, I wish all the Eastern Europe and Balkan countries will cooperate much better in the future, to create a political pole of influence in order to avoid being used as pawns on the chess table by the big world powers.
@@giadf9747 Aaa. That's because context is important. Do you divide Europe in 4 quadrants or 2 halves? Most refer to EU as West EU and East EU in reference to the postbelic period due to how America and URSS divided most countries.
János did a great job, presenting correctly the narrative of both sides. I want to believe that videos like this help to maintain peace and the common prosperity of Central European countries.
I mean considering that he only used mainstream sources, he did a decent job. It's just a pity he didn't research a bit deeper to find the actual root of the events, which was Freemasons who started undermining Hungarian politics as early as 1906 when they already had it all planned out.
@@matewbran5951 hun vs all minorities of "greater hungary" (croatians, serbs, slovenians, romanians, slovaks etc.), the later so-called "Little Entente"
@@Treveljan In my opinion it is a mistake to consider this as one side. Not at the end of WW1:and not after. There was very little coordination among this group of countries.
That really horrible, when soneone with such low knowledge as János, can explain anything about the hungarian history before such a big public. This is the dark side of RUclips, that Big Nobodys can teach about false things to the mob...
@@fritzier5475 unfortunately its not that shared anymore. liberals do not care about trianon nor do they care about the interests of the nation. they are filthy traitors to our nation
whether you like orban or not Hungary is based and epic with or without orban. i think orban lost his mojo with his Ukraine takes .i guess some Hungarians still hate Ukraine over that time they annexed a farm in the year 1000 or something
trianon has nothing to do with orban or even with the political left/right. some people want to make it political, they can get fvcked. also nothing to do with education, a jewish surgeon with a PhD will start the same rant just as fast as anyone in hungary. in the socialist era, there was a push to equate anger over trianon with fascism and antisemitism, just as they did with the revolution of 1956. sadly some people from that generation believed those lies and nobody really had the chance to argue with the official party ideology, that may be the main reason these things/associations still exist today for a small (but sometimes loud) minority. people outside hungary can’t be expected to have a deep understanding of the historical context if this is not something they especially care about, so I guess these things are unavoidable and happen everywhere.
Egysegykre! I am a Slovak, our family has not Hungarians in its tree, there is some German/Czech. I do not speak or understand Hungarian, but have visited Hungary a couple of times, never had any problems with the local people there. I also met some Hungarians in the Tatra mountains during hikes, nice people. I also met a group of Hungarians in Prague, again nice people. I never had any problems with "Slovak" Hungarians, and I fully respect their culture. I have been to venues in specific parts of southern Slovakia, that were held bilingual (Slovak and Hungarian) and I have no problem with it. I have no problem with Hungarian schools even in Bratislava. I want us all to get along, be kind to each other and enjoy life. Slovakia and Hungary are both in the EU, NATO, the border is only an imaginary line on a map. Everyone can travel freely, work where they desire, speak their language. I never supported any nationalist "us vs. them" parties, because we all sit in the same boat. So please, my dear neighbors to the south, let us live in peace together and strive for a better future of our children. A future based on mutual respect and cooperation. I want my neighbors to live and prosper, because only when my neighbors are having a good living, I can have a good living too.
This is entirely up to you now. You are in the position now where you should make gestures to Hungarians on a government level, and I think most Hungarians would make peace. But you need to acknowledge that as the one in the winning position, you have to make the first step.
@@rizzllerr well many fought alongside hungarians for millenia we just lost too many against the byzantine empire mongol empire ottoman empire habsburg empire russian empire i mean who wants to stand with us? with such disadvantage we face all the time? :D hey its ok
This subjects are used by some groups to study what is the impact on population, so that when needed like in political campaigns, they will know what to do. So pay attention to the puppeteer.
I would love if we could all live in peace, but what you said about the border being an imaginary line is simply false. For a while not too long ago hungarians were, in fact, not allowed to speak their language in Slovakia specifically. I'm pretty sure it's over by now and wasn't a big thing, but it shows that it isn't that simple.
I used to read a lot of Polish press from the interwar period. I was very interested in how the communist takeover in Hungary after WWI was portrayed. The nationalist press praised the coup, saying it was forced by "unjust" treaties, the socialist press condemned it as an extension of Hungarian imperialism. What I liked best was the Christian press, which stated that there was no revolution and in fact the Hungarian bourgeoisie started "pretending to be communists" so that they could continue to "bully the Slovaks." Interesting how history is not black and white :V
You might have seen more sympathy for them from the Christian press in Poland because Hungarians are also Catholic, whereas many of their subjects who didn't want to be Hungarian at the time were Orthodox. Just saying, think every angle, this might not be relevant today but a century ago it was very relevant. The Hungarian delegation at Trianon tried to argue against the treaty in front of the European great powers based on their "cultural superiority" over Romanians and Serbs, among other things, basically saying that they deserve to rule in territories where the majority of the population doesn't want them because muh kulture iz great.
@@costinhalaicu2746 Not really. We newer put those people in front line in the battlefield! Like those shity countries like France, Austria, Belgium, England etc..... We PROTECT them! Trough in centuries! And return they betrayed us,alongside with the west. But what we could exept descends of thiefs,cannibals and traitors? 😊
@@costinhalaicu2746 That is what was strange about the Christian press that they were against the Hungarians. Well, but after some thinking it has a lot of sense, the main concentration of Christian conservatives was in Krakow, which was in the former Austrian partition, where they simply had contact with Hungarians and how they treated minorities. Things in Europe are always complicated
@@AleksanderK12Right. And most non-Hungarian Catholics at that time in Hungary were of various Slavic ethnic groups except the Dalmatians, whose Romance language has been extinct since the 1890s, and certain Romanian Catholics
Wrong. Proclamation of Slovak Soviet Republic and moral collapse of army Despite the communists' promises on the restoration of the former borders of Hungary, they declared the establishment of the independent Slovak Soviet Republic in Prešov on 16 June 1919.[2] After that proclamation, the Hungarian nationalists and patriots soon realized that the new communist government had no intentions to recapture the lost territories, only to spread communist ideology and establish other communist states in Europe, and was thus sacrificing Hungarian national interests.[3] Despite the series of military victories against the Czechoslovak Army, the Hungarian Red Army started to disintegrate because of the fundamental tension between patriots and communists during the establishment of the Slovak Soviet Republic, and that concession shook the popular and military support of the communist government, particularly among professional military officers, patriots and nationalists in the Hungarian Red Army. In fact, even the chief of the general staff, Aurél Stromfeld, resigned his post in protest.[4]
@@h00d3dcrow Hungary was an ethnic diverse country since its foundation, Slovaks, Romanians and Ruthenians being there even before Hungarians arrived in the Carpathian Basin
@@metodiusm428 Yes, but they were negligable in numbers. The series of demographic catastrophes meant that the country became less and less hungarian by the centuries.
@@Medvelelet The country of Hungary was never a homogeneous ethnic Hungarian state, it was since the beginning ethnically diverse, there were Slovaks in the North, Ruthenians and Romanians in the Eastern mountains where they formed the majority in Ruthenia and Transylvania, and even Cumans in Kunsag which were assimilated by Hungarians, and many towns which were built by Germans.
@@metodiusm428 My bad, sorry, I misunderstood the definition of homogeneity, I thought it just meant mostly similar. You are right. It was never 100% hungarian.
Note:From 1918 until 1921, violence against Hungarians and by occupying troops against each other rocked mainland Hungary. 1919 saw four months of communist "Red Terror" before Adm. Miklos Horthy's National Army militia unleashed "White Terror." Horthy, who served as regent from 1920 to 1944, claimed that "only an iron broom can sweep the country clean" and declined to offer an apology for the atrocities.
As of today the reason Treaty of Trianon hurts the hungarians the most is that it generates pointless hate among us ඞ and our neighbours. It is directed to people who have nothing to do with the original conflict. Thank you János for your unbiased and thoughtful video about the topic and for being one of the few on this platform who can deliver the complexity of this treaty! Fun fact: Hungary lost some of it's territory to Austria, the very country that started this war.
Yeah, for some reason, we got boned by even the power that lost the war. I don't even know what they were thinking at the negotiating table. "Hon, hon, hon There will be peace in our time with this one"
@@sued_ Well when it comes to giving land to Austria it was mainly because there was no significant hungarian population in this area. City of Sopron comes to my mind where the inhabitants had a vote about staying in Hungary.
@@attilaszabo869 Burgenland rebelled against being annexed by Austria. And Austria was THE losing party, even if it's due to "ethnic minorities", it still made zero sense, because they gave hungarian populated terrotories, neighbouring the drawn Hungarian borders to others. Nothing was about ethnicity.
@@Karabarsz Thank you for sharing this! Honestly im not nearly as well informed about this region's background as the other territories next to the hungarian border. I hate to spread misinformation so i'm now tempted to edit it but will keep it like the same anyways. One thing i think we can all agree on is that this treaty had a huge impact on the people living in the pannonian basin and led to more chaos eventually in the coming years after it. What's really saddening for me is that even today it creates a constant tension between our nations and for some people we are more like competitors than friends despite sharing a long history together and similar way of living our lives.
A note already for 0:50 That was very much NOT the case. There was an entire thing about the Hungarian part of the empire declining to agree to a declaration of war against Serbia unless the warhawks caved to a demand to not annex any further territory into the empire (in this case pointedly from Serbia)
Yep, even the main goal of the Austrian leadership was to reign Belgrade in, take them from the Russian sphere of influence, and stop them from actively pursuing south slavic unification. I don't think the aim was to conquer. Denying belgrade to become strong enough and unify south slavs was the main pivot of imperial policy since the Serbs got thier independence from the Turks. The annexation of Bosnia, and the occupation of novi pazar was done also to keep south slavs fractured/deny serbia of access to the sea. The guys in Vienna were stupid, but they understood that keeping together the empire is hard enough as it is, and annexing millions of angry serbs would not help the cause.
@@gyorgymuller5060Tisza was generally against the war, it took the ill-fated "Stop at Belgrade" plan to convince him to agree to it, on the premise that the Empire was just going to parade over Belgrade to save face and slap the Serbs a bit (well, not really "a bit" - bombing and some light pillaging was probably to be expected).
@@fakeplaystore7991 I know that the Hungarian part of the monarchy was against the war. Budapest even delayed the events, until the combined pressure from Berlin, and Vienna was just too much. I just noted that while it true that Vienna was way more pro-war, their goal wasn't conquest, as it is stated in the video.
There have been protests against the war in Budapest, but nobody could do anything since the Hungarian army was abroad, and the Kaiser had total control over these troops.
Csávót szeressük. Ellop...akarom mondani, mesteri tehetséggel dolgozott át egy dalt majd tette az ország slágerévé. Azóta gondolunk két dologra ha aztmondjuk didi
I wish you would've talked more about France's impact, and how their allies reacted to it (like the US literally boycotting peace talks, and the UK trying to talk France into a more fair peace treaty condition. Or that how the borders were often specifically drawn in a way that ignored ethnic lines, instead, giving these ethnic Hungarian lands away because it had an economic importance (like railway hubs, significant mines, factories, etc etc). But the video is very informative and respectful yet still delivered in a joking way, so nicely done!
Also could have mentioned the Freemasons' undermining of Hun. politics using Oszkár Jászi and his Martinovics Lodge between 1906 and 1912. Knowing about those events, it becomes apparent that they already had the whole thing - including the treaty and both wars - planned out decades earlier.
@@spointz8936 Yeah we're told so much about how unfair the Versailles treaty was because of funny mustache man. Even though Trianon and Sèvres were undoubtedly harsher, makes me wonder what post WW1 Germany would have been like if they were broken up in a similar way
@@FlorkGnubbler There weren't any bit minority groups that could be split of Germany. Maybe Masurians and Upper Silesians. But both sides mostly preferred Weimar Germany than Poland.
Nobody likes to be the bad guy. If it's something that everybody knows like Germany in WW2 then thewhole nation is telling themselves 7/24 that you must not do this again.
For comparison in a survey done not long ago many grown up japanese failed to recognise the swastika as a hate symbol not even mentioning their lack of knowledge about the nazis. One of them asked if they were the bad guys... Not saying education in western countries is perfect but there are way worse examples for it. As surreal as not being aware of such an important point in history makes me less confused why we tend to make the same bad decisions our ancestors did few centuries or even decades ago.
My Father is Slovak, my Mother is Hungarian. So i hear about these things always from both sides. The sad part is that in this time and age, we have open borders. Slovakia still exists, Hungary as well, but it does not mean much anymore. Anyone can move freely from country to country. With my Slovak friends i defend Hungarians, with my Hungarian friends i defend Slovakia. We are in this together as we were for 1000 years. Don't let the chauvinist political agenda of Jan Slota from 20 years are ago and the modern agenda of Viktor Orban get under your skin. It does not matter. The borders are set and here to stay. Many Hungarians live in Slovakia, they have the right to learn in their own language, speak their language, celebrate their things. Yes, time to time somebody acts like an idiot, but don't let one person ruin your day. I am not saying we have it better in Slovakia, especially after the last elections, but many Hungarians are running from Hungary to Slovakia for more freedom and better life and many Hungarians are opening businesses here, since the business environment is just better in Slovakia then in Hungary right now. And as far as i know, that is a good thing, we as two nations, are closer then many people even realize. We have a very long and connected history.
No Hungarian is actually running to Slovakia. Its Hungarians living in Felvidék moving to Hungary. And who says border are here to stay? Borders change constantly
What is the problem with Orbán? Hes trying to end the war in Ukraine by using veto on the billions worth on weapons sent ... Romanians Slovaks Hungarians and Rusyns were stripped of their rights untill Orban pushed on the matter.
It's rare to see someone from the region handle this subject with respect for multiple sides. I think videos like this help to bring us closer instead of dividing us. Great job!
With giant mistakes.. That really horrible, when soneone with such low knowledge as János, can explain anything about the hungarian history before such a big public. This is the dark side of RUclips, that Big Nobodys can teach about false things to the mob...
@@alihorda ofc he didn t care to explain :)) i love seeing salty hungos spewing their own fake history all over janos comments sections (while janos is actually trying to be as impartial and fair as possible, while also being 25% hungo)
@@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwave N-no? I guess you can't know how Hungary built like in the early of 1900'. I won't tell you now, if you wanna know it, then research, but this threaty ruin our economy down to 0.
Blame the british rather, if they had agreed to dissolve germany like the french wanted, then the french would have no need to surround germany with friendly states like Czechoslovakia and therefore no need to carve up hungary
Didn't the Hungarian element in the Austro-Hungarian parliament refuse to advocate war with Serbia unless the Austrians promised to NOT annex any Serbian land? I thought that was the historical account.
@@KartingRulesfor example, they didn’t attack serbia and start ww1 for just the sake of gaining land, serbians assasinated the heir, so they were completely right
1) You sound like the young Orbán Viktor, which I just realised. 2) Great video. One of our greatest losses because of Trianon that many people forget is our intellectuals. A lot of them lived in present day Slovakia, the Highlands as we called back then. 3) Few talk about Hungary (or rather, the Kingdom of Hungary) before Trianon, and especially before the Turkish occupation of 150 years. The idea of "nations" didn't really exist back then. Although I remember our first king István's advices to his son, where he also wrote that he should be mindful of people of several backgrounds in our kingdom, and he should respect them and aim to make it work. In the freaking 11th century.
Austria was punished Hungary did not exist then. Hungary was created at Trianon when Austria was dismembered. Hitler gave Transylvania to Hungary and in return they exterminated their Jews. At the age of 30, as Europe's youngest prime minister, in 1998 Orbán demanded and obtained the property of Tokaj Jews deported to Auschwitz. "Let's not win the most!" Orbán, the bloated greedy pig, snorted infamously
Trianon be like Hungary: This tragedy will be remembered for centuries Romania, Serbia, Czechia, Slovakia: Oh, what a day! What a lovely day! Joking aside, as a Romanian, I am surprised Austria is causing us more problems than Hungary. What strange times we live in.
Me going to the comment section expecting a full out war betwen Hungary and Romania....and people here being just chill and mostly respecting each others ideas ...is really disapointing.. Come on Hungary...I know we visit and enjoy each others countries in the milions each year...and drink palinca togheter... but this is the internet...we have traditions..
hahahahahaha wtf 1 mil just from Croatia.... More from Croatia than from Serbia, but that is because Seribans make some kind of selection, they expelled only 40 000 out of 400 000, mainly goverment officials. Serbia have had an still have 1948: 433.701 - after ww2 numbers rise 1953: 441.907 1961: 449.587 1971: 430.314 - after easier passport aquisition numbers start to fall 1981: 390.468 1991: 343.800 - start of 90ties wars 2002: 293.299 2011: 253.899 - no more visa 2022: 184.442
I think we get why people were angry after losing two-third of their country, but giving (almost) the whole of Transylvania is what adds insult to injury. That was unreasonable without a doubt.
I'm a Hungarian so you can guess my opinion over it But I don't see it ever change nor I want it to change now, since it would cause more harm than good The borders are quite open, and minority laws are pretty good, so is the free market. So really the only thing that can bother us is the official status, names and who get the tax over that land. A hard but necessary pill to swallow. Especially since excessive nationalism is actually keeping Europe from a unification and a stronger economy. It really is dumb to fight among us when the world got smaller and there are bigger fishes threatening us. I want Europe to be the dominant economic power and the peak example of democracy and modern free civilisation.
Hungary's greatest catastrophe is actually not just one event, but a continued onslaught of bad luck and misery. Like...from 900 to last Sunday, it's been the worst succession of just misfortune after misfortune. It's enough to look at the Anthem of Hungary. It's literally just about begging to God to just have some mercy at least maybe please. Looking at the whole history of Hungary through the lenses of old slavic mythology would make one consider the possibility that Chernobog really has an axe to grind with them.
"Chernobog" is not an actual mythological figure and, in terms of actual historical suffering, Hungary is pretty much nothing compared to something like Ukraine.
@@avenger4027Ukraine did the most stupid decisions, but of course that’s the fault of the leaders. There is absolutely no reason for them to be still fighting and wasting money and resources from everyone that supports them. They aren’t gonna get the territory back by being stubborn. They need a proper consultation to end the war. Also, the Russians over there were a majority and they were still mistreated by the law.
@@avenger4027 Look, I'm against Russia and all, but comparing Ukraine's historical catastrophes to those of any other Eastern European countries while they lived privileged lives in the Russian Empire is...wrong. Incredibly wrong. The Holdomor is the only big event of sorrow in Ukrainian history. Nations that lived under the Ottoman Empire have a lot more to complain about.
I absolutely love your videos, but at 0:48, Austria did not intend to annex Serbia, merely to humiliate it and force its cooperation in Austrian matters. Hungary only agreed to war on condition that not an inch of Serbian land be annexed, something which greatly annoyed the Austrian warmongers. This condition was actually the source of a great deal of confusion during the July Crisis and mobilisation period, and many Great Powers (especially Russia) assumed annexation was the goal, thus adding to the heightened tension. Thanks for the video 😊
0:58 Just a little side note: after the incident in Sarajevo, Austria-Hungary was encouraged by the German Empire to declare war, because they finally had a cause to start a war against the Entente. It wasn't just the Habsburg's fault, the tensions between the great powers were already high at that point. Great video btw!
Lol it was the complete opposite. Germany had little to none intention going on a war with france or england. In fact they just beat france, retook their land Elsass which was ocuppied by the french opressor for several decades and just started having colonies abroad. Stupid WW1 stole germans golden century
Actually, no. Germany said it would support Austria-Hungary, however, after Serbia accepted most of the ultimatum, Wilheim II said any cause for war is lost.
I had no idea about how chaotic the years before the signing of the Treaty of Trianon had been. Guess I have to read more about it and the Balkans in the inter-war period. Great video!
I'm a Serb and I really have trouble of following all the events that had happened here in the past, there are so many migrations, conflicts etc. it blows my mind when I start thinking about it.
This video is great! We definitely need more videos like this one, showing how some less discussed countries in the media are doing and how they feel about certain historical moments.
I like to think about the Fall of the Kingdom of Hungary and it's Breaking Into Three as the "greatest catasrophe" which we have still not recovered from, so Trianon is just a part of that not recovered state
getting beat up regularly for being Hungarian in one of the neighbouring countries is a must have childhood trauma for every Hungarian kid who's ancestors refused to move to anoter village after the Trianon treaty...
people are stupid, i'm romanian, but i don't agree with kids beeing bullied for such stupid and political things, there are plenty of other reasons to be bullied , but this is just abject discrimination, not ok
@@J-IK So we're going to ignore hundreds of years of discrimination hungarians did before all this? It's very hard to feel sorry for your people, you did this to yourself
I am Croat, my great grandmother was Hungarian (Fekete), my great grandfather (her husband) was German (Fritz), my other great grandfather was Italian (Fortuna), great grandmother was Croat. Other part of family are all Croatian, old Croatian. Our History (Austro-Hungarian empire) is very long, rich and full of wars. I live in Croatia, and don't like when somebody want to take any part of my country. History is history, we need to make future better. Like the video, very good.
Then you realize why we frown on you still holding onto OUR land north of the Drava? And even after we get the croat army to survive, regroup and nearly forcibly reequipped by us inside Hungary at the yugo war too! The gall! We dont give two damns about how croats or slavs or any old minorities want to do their own things until loyalty is assured! Our germans can do it, the jews can do it, the tiny barely existing cuman and Iazyg remnants can do it, hell even the gypsies are usually allowed to do whatever they want, but that land still belongs to the Holy Crown of Hungary so this wrong must be corrected! For these matters we have a bone to pick with even the poles! We have the eu and shit so its returning wont change much. Aside from removing an eyesore, any possible future comparsions along with serbs or vlachs and giving us a peace of mind that not all sinner involved in this should be punished by our curse! Witch had already taken quite a hold on the west! God have mercy on them because we will only give them the last unction! :D The shaman spoke.
realy? And when you were opressed by Sweden, was it cool? And it was norhing like what Hungarian politics do to Slovaks, Romanians etc..Don't talk about something what you don't understand.
0:45 i think it's important to notice that somebody was killed, and it wasn't just a random "we'll go to war" decision. Usually killing a prince IS cause for war....
A serbian student assasinated the heir presumptive to the throne of Austria-Hungary, which was the last trigger factor caused the WWI. :( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip
Very bad video. Thats really horrible, when soneone with such low knowledge as János, can explain anything about the hungarian history before such a big public. This is the dark side of RUclips, that Big Nobodys can teach about false things to the mob...
Trianon was an in-your-face lesson for Hungarians about "the strong do as they wish and the weak suffer what they must" (Thucydides). This is where the current conservative worldview of Hungary being on its own in the world comes from. You can disagree with it (same with the revisionist sentiment 100 years ago) but if you don't understand how it came to be you don't understand history and you don't understand people.
But why should majority slavic and romanian lands belong to Hungary ? And in this case, shoudn't Hungary belong to Austria as it did for hundreds of years until 1918 ?
I think it was the opposite, Trianon was an in-your-face lesson for Hungarians about "the strong do as they wish and the weak suffer what they must", because they thought "we are strong, these minorities in Hungary are weak, we must make a homogenous state, let's magyarize them!". Turns out, minorities (who were more than 50% of the population) really hate you when you try to magyarize them, and earning a reputation as "the jail of nations" earns you no friends at the peace conference. But Orban's government as the mindset you are talking about. It's astonishing how would could get an in-your-face lesson and then repeat the same mistakes over and over again.
@@3dfxvoodoocards6You saw the map in the video. Look how much territory outside the new borders had majority Hungarian population. While I'm not a far right nutjob who wants everything back I don't blame Hungarians 100 years ago who wanted it back.
The thing is Slovaks and Hungarians were the two founding nationalities of the kingdom of Hungary from before nationalities meant anything at all, we were bound by our loyalty to the king, we are in fact two brotherly nations that went through a lot during our 1000 years of common history. We were hungarians because that meant that we were subjects of one king/ruler not denominating our nationality. What lead our ancestors 100 years ago to trianon and separation is really just a culmination of romantistic ideas about nation states from (1848). Magyarisation is the reall problem, slovaks were down for a federation with separate senates and self rule, but not after "Apponyi laws" were implemented , meant to erase slovak heritage and culture.
@@empat8052Slovak was a distinct described language and culture since 11th century. Litteraly in written record. Slovak itself was a mixture of the south Slavic peoples, namely coats and the Czech people (where Czech was the majority). Akin to Slovenians.. The region of modern day Hungary used to have the Slovene culture which was the overarching culture between the two.
As a Slovak I also feel this way. Luckily, we are now like brothers with Czechia because of Czechoslovakia and I don't see that to change any time soon.
What is most interesting for a historian is that the Triune Kingdom of Croatia was never part of the Kingdom of Hungary, as mentioned in the Trianon the border fallows the old Croatian - Hungarian border. But most Hungarian nationalist put maps of the St Stephan union of Croatia and Hungary and confuse it with Hungary itself
@@dakedakinson64 have you read the 1868 compromise? Kingdom of Hungary and the Triune Kingdom of Croatia were two kingdoms in a crown union, each separate with its own borders, governments, laws ect
The austrians ended the Habsburg Empire in 1867 when they gave majority slavic Slovakia, Transcarpathia, Croatia and majority romanian Transylvania to Hungary. Nobody accepted to be ruled by the hungarians. And to the break up began...
Jeez, this does reduces the treaty of versailles that germany got a to mere slap on the wrist. I think it was machiavelli that talked about wounding a man lighty makes them thirst for vengance but if you wound them severly they can not...
I mean, Austria-Hungary started the war, it makes sense they got the brunt of it. Germany was just an ally that joined in. The media focuses on Germany more because they were bigger, stronger, wealthier, and more industrialized.
The biggest problem with Trianon for Hungarians, especially for those who became minorities in other countries (myself included), isn't the fact that the treaty happened, but how unfairly it happened. Yes, Hungary lost the war, it was multicultural state, it lost territories with absolute or relative Slovak, Romanian etc majorities. That was hurtful, but totally acceptable, since the treaty based itself on the "right of the self-determination of peoples". The problems began when it came to the question of territories with absolute Hungarian population. The "right of the self-determination of peoples" was either fully ignored, or outright falsified and dictated. Borders of the new Hungary weren't based on any ethnic lines, but on out right strategic interests. As mentioned in the video, 1/3 of the total Hungarian population (3,3 million) became a minority, and the majority of them in territories where they made up, and in many cases make up the absolute majority, even to this day. If you look at an ethnic map either from the 1920s or a nowadays one, you can see that the majority of outside Hungarian population is concentrated on the borders of modern Hungary (sure there are exceptions like Székelyland etc). And for some reason this fact is always downplayed by outsiders when talking about the issue and they only look at the big piecharts which say "oh look, the Hungarians are whining again, even tho they make up only 10-20% in the statistical area which was specifically created to downplay their local majorities". Even tho THIS IS THE PROBLEM of Trianon. It's not a trauma and tragedy because Hungary lost 4 million Romanians, 2,5 million Slovaks, up to a million Germans, Slavs or even Croatia itself, but because it lost 3,3 million Hungarians, whose loss was not justified by the treaty itself, since it was (supposedly) based on the "right of the self-determination of peoples". Trianon might be justified, but it doesn't make it just. Edit: typo
There was just no way to accurately draw the borders back then. I think the modern borders are a compromise. Romania at the time wanted to get everything East of Tisa after all.
@@Player-re9mo There was Teleki's 'red map' about the ethnicity of Hungary (which was based on the census of 1910). It was the most accurate document about the ethnicites in the territory of Great-Hungary, but at the Trianon treaties the great powers refused to use it as a starting point for the new borders. (hu.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A1jl:Ethnographic_map_of_hungary_1910_by_teleki_carte_rouge.jpg - Wikipedia link where you can find it)
@@Noone.05 I watched The Great War show, and there is says that Teleki's map was biased towards Hungary. And with just one quick look at it, I can see why. This is very different from so many other 1910 census maps, making Hungarians look so much more than they really were.
reading the comments, I'm pleasently suprised about how civilised everybody talks. Great video, very well balanced. I'm a hungarian who lives in Romania, and my view is in 2024 shouln't really matter where those lines between country's are drawn. We can work,live, have a family anywhere we like. We are more similar than sometimes we realise. We grown up in the same ex communist shithole, just the language was different. Be kind to eachother, being mad about something you can't control and looking the big picture, doesn't even matter is just silly. much love❤
The USA and UK getting mad at Hungary for magyarization is the most hypocritical thing I've ever heard. I dont think langauges and culture should be forced on people but the western powers have BEEN doing that
grade A hungolian bs. They haven't been forcing it on anyone ! We've been partaking in it willingly ! cope harder bozgor ! & its well known by everyone living in these regions, you lot only want to push your uralic names and culture on everyone else. so cry me a river with your Trianon whining !
@@tovarishchfeixiaonot when your country is not even majority that ethnicity. And that’s why they don’t have it , and their insistence on it is why they’ll have even less in the future.
@@mirelchirila Let me guess, you're a delusional brainwashen romanian. Or just a not too educated child. Because you clearly need to get some basic education.
Just check French africa….😂😂😂 ohh man i love when western countries want to play the good guy. Western countries are the most agressive, selfish opressors and they want to play that they are santa claus
I will tell you this moment I was with a Slovak and Romanian friend. Some Hungarian guys walked in and started being foolish. These 2 of my friends just start mocking them by saying Trianon.
Look I'm a Romanian but I carry no ill will towards Hungarians. Yes bad things were done, but the perpetrators are dead and so are the victims so there is little that can be done today.
I traveled from Debrecen to Budapest and back just this weekend and without knowing the details of this history I noticed the massive difference in development between the two. In fact as my train went through various towns and cities I thought that many of the places I passed through seemed much more rural and underdeveloped than I had expected having only visited the capital before.
You can thank Orbán for that. Here in Romania it's the same for the most part, with everything revolving around Bucharest, except that our 2nd city Kolozsvár managed to place itself economically in a solid 2nd place after Bucharest (while being less crowded and with overall nicer people).
@@wyqtor it has nothing to do with Orbán, but rather with how the country developed ever since the late 18th-19th centuries. it was a centralized state with budapest in the center.
Just want to say, im not saying these things in a negative way, had a great time visiting Hungary and will be going back many more times in the future.
@@wyqtor Not to knowledgeable about the fellas policies and all that. The disparity between Budapest and the rest of the country was hard not to notice though.
Thank you for making this video. I learned so much from this. I myself am planning to make three videos about this topic one day since this is - somewhat - affects me. My paternal grandfather and the entire maternal side of my family is from Transylvania. My first video would be about the entire shitshow that accompanied the end of World War One in Hungary between 1918, the Aster Revolution and the second royalist coup attempt in 1922. My second video would be about the Magyarisation efforts of the 19th century and basically the why of Trianon. The third would be about the life and history of the Hungarian diaspora post-Trianon to this day. While I do consider Trianon as a tragedy being a typical Hungaraian, I also think that this somewhat a tragedy of our own making. Something we really should learn from and not something we should reverse.
Sad that you learning from these uneducated videos. That really horrible, when soneone with such low knowledge as János, can explain anything about the hungarian history before such a big public. This is the dark side of RUclips, that Big Nobodys can teach about false things to the mob...
@@peenmeen412 Nobody questioning my english, but looks you are unable to do anything else, just personalizing the debate. Janus not a historian, he makes a lot of mistakes, gives incorrect explanations, omits important elements. He became famous for his funny silly videos, but it would be nice if he would hold back himself, when talking about things he knows so little about.
a small correction: the Apponyi laws did not result in closing all ethnic schools, it resulted in closing >>state funded ethnic schools. kind of a big difference. it was still quite a harsh law, but i wonder how many other countries at the time funded schools where the state language was not taught at all. edit: there was a typo
@@purple66666 there were plenty private schools left, and those schools which complied with the requirement and started teaching hungarian continued receiving the funding. now show me which of the successor states fund minority schools where the state language is not taught at all today.
@@Baso-sama what is the point of school, that dont teach 'state language' ? How are students supposed to live in that country without knowing official language? Its a massive disadvantage for them...
@@TheDigimarauder exactly my point. you should ask this question from those who bring up lex apponyi as a proof of evil magyarization. especially since we talk about state sponsored schools, not private schools. the one harsh thing about lex apponyi was the short notice time. i think they should've given more time for these schools to train and/or hire teachers who can teach hungarian.
Danube Federation could have been beautiful... But nah, let's divide a world power into two entirely artificial entities, neither of which shall see the end of the century, and Romania. All of them very hostile to Hungary. What could possibly go wrong.
I feel it has to be noted that the Hungarian nobility at the time, didn't want to do anything with reforms or federalizing. They pretty much vetoed any and all changes Austria would try to pass. (Now where have we heard that before?) Maybe it could have been forced after the war, as the allies were going to be more leniant. But after the communist revolution and subsequent agressions, that atittude pretty much completely dissolved. So, as unfair as the treaty was... We partially brought it on ourselves in the end.
@@avandorhu-3389 this is exactly right. The Hungarian nobility royally fucked up Hungary's chances for a fair Trianon. (Many other things did as well but especially them.)
@@riograndedosulball248 I'd say the instability of Hungarian own goverment ws a major contributor in all of this. UK for example wanted too keep Austro-Hungary around but the chaos and instability frced their hand.
Just a few notes, 1, Austria didnt have problems with the "magyarization" because his kind heart, he was afraid losing control. Playig his minorities against each other was a cornerstone of his politics ( for example, in 1848, Austria incited national revolts against the hungarian revolitionalist, but even much later, during the great war, requisitions of grain where carried out by chech army groups in Hungary, hungarian army groups in Croatia and so forth) 2, So we lost, minorities gain their indepedency, that's allright, but many lost territories were almost 100% ethnic hungarian. Szeklerland for example is a hard nut to crack, because it's inside romanian-speaking territory, but Csallóköz is south slovakie and parts of the partium region, north vojvodina where all hungarian majority at that time,and they were still taken away whitout any referendum or sorts. Only referendum was for the city of Sopron and his roundabouts, after some irregular fighting activities, which were supposed to transfer austria (which why exactly getting any territory at all, being the one that starting the war in the first place?) 3,Those hungarians who stayed outside the trianon border, had a really hard time. Cant use their langue freely, most of their lands where confiscated (the got promise to pay something for it, but it wasn't happened in the end (after a few decades, when the communism kicked in, everyone got the same threatment anyway)
I grew up in Satu Mare, NW Romania. In our town we have about 35% Hungarians but I never heard of ANYBODY not being allowed to speak Hungarian. By the way, I leaned what Kutya harap means because it was written along with Cainele mușcă un all gates. This opression fantasy is an own constantly fed thing to keep unhapiness awake. But in Satu Mare we have an Hungarian mayor (since 8 years or so), schools, theater. It is far, far away of Aponnyi magyarization law (legal genocyde) from 1910 my friend,
I found your video surprisingly balanced, despite its obious shortness and the clickbait title 😁. Chapeau. As a young boy and later teenager, I was brought up/educated with a very nationalistic approach. Part of this came via the party/state sponsored channel in school, propaganda and what not. Part of the nationalism trickled down from my great grandmother. She inherited the trauma from her parents - if I recall, she was born in the now county of Bistrița in northern Transilvania. She didn't speak much of it, or I was too young to remember, but I have vague memories of her telling me the life was so tough at the turn of the 20th century for ethnic Romanians in Austria Hungary, that they (her family) had to cross the border to the Kingdom of Romania (Regat) and settle here. 30 years ago - don't get me strated, my blood would boil just having somebaody mentioning revisionism - Now, as I grow old(er)😅 I find other priorities in life than clinging to collective memory historical debts. Or flying into a rage to prove a highly subjective point. Peace and health are the best things we can have that can enable us to fulfill our objectives in life. Let the debate begin😂
I'm a hungarian but half of my family lives in transylvinia. Y'know how much racism and oppresion my mom got growing up? Y'know how much history was lost bc romanians destroyed them? Y'know how hard it is to only see your family once or twice a year while having the worst trip of your life bc theres no clear train track into the country? I had a childhood friend who was romanian and spoke hungarian, imagine my shock when he became a hungary hater and told me how in the perfect world romania would be 2 times bigger even reaching Budapest the capital of hungary. Both the school system and when there was communism hungarians were very limited many my age highschoolers want to go to hungary and go to college and uni here heck even my mom kinda ran away from family and romania altogether. Not saying revisiniosm would solve anything but laws protecting both sides would help alot for the ppl living there. But goverments just don't care
@@Vickyshoka Mate you can enter the country using your id like in the rest of EU no one is limiting you . And FUN FACT train lines are shit all over the country is not Romanians cutting access to Hungary.... its just Romanians being idiots and not investing in infrastructure nation wide. And if you want to attend school and uni teached in Hungarian...well guess where is better to do that.... in Hungary. Its like a German complaining he does not have access to top German schools and university's in Romania..... well duh.
@@Vickyshoka hungarian = live in Hungary, romanian = live in Romania, hungarian does not equal live in romania same as a romanian does not live in Hungary. Pov of average Austro-Hungarian young family: lets move to the most eastern side of transylvania and then then be persecuted by native people because my people persecuted the living hell out of those native people in the past. If you plant carrots dont expect potatoes the same as if you persecute somebody because they are literally living dont expect something else in return.
WOW János you did a really good job covering the topic. My opinion is that altough people say time heals all wounds, it will not heal this one. Trianon was such a blowback in our economy and moral in general that we feel its aftermath even today. Losing a shit ton of natural resources, big part of our population, our influence in the region. I Understand the other side too: magyarization was not the right answer to the "we need more magyars" problem, and we needed to be put in place for it, but the punishment was too big, and I still dont know why even Austria got land from us?!?!? Hungary will never forget Trianon.
Austria got Burgenland (Örvidék) to keep hungarian border ~80 km away from Vienna, means it was an austrian national security request which has been agreed by the winner powers. So when Russia has national security concerns I dont know why one has no understanding for it.
@@palucci888 i didnt understamd since Austria was also on the losing side and frankly had way more to do with the war than Hungary. Now tgat you explain it makes sense why they wanted it, but the part where the winners actually listened to their request and not Hungarys makes no sense.
Just letting u know everytime u say your name (im hungarain) makes me feel sad everytime cause i know some of your realitves for sure grown up in hungarian culture. It means u and your family was hit by the triannon treaty in some ways... Great video time to remember again of this piece of history...
That really horrible, when soneone with such low knowledge as János, can explain anything about the hungarian history before such a big public. This is the dark side of RUclips, that Big Nobodys can teach about false things to the mob...
@@kevhynaleks2631 I don’t take his word as the definitive word, and if curious enough, I can do my research, what he did do is bring awareness to the issue, that this is something that is still part of the Hungarian public discourse. If he made any factual errors or misleading comments, i would be curious if you could correct him/tell your side of the story.
Technically true, however it is more complex than that :D Hungarians didn't wanted cooperate in everything that Austria do, but couldn't leave the Monarchia either cause of 1848 and some other stuff.
Not really true, I would like to talk about the million comments from Hungarians saying that Hungary didn't want to be in the war and that they where forced into it by the Austrians, this way denouncing the Belgrade armistice and also somehow justifying their comments about how they should reverse Trianon. Anyways, this statement isn't really correct. Yes the Hungarian Prime minister Tisza was against the war and there where some in the Hungarian parliament who shared his views but saying Hungary didn't want the war due to these statements is like saying US didn't want to declare the war of 1812 just because some people in the congress voted against it. Most Hungarians voted in favor. The fact remains Austria-Hungary couldn't have declared war if Hungary didn't approve it. And despite Tisza initial disagreement, he eventually did agree to the war with Tisza saying "It was with difficulty that I decided to advise war, but I am now convinced of its necessity." Plus many Hungarians even actively supported the war at the start like Stephan Burián von Rajecz this support can also be seen through the large enlistment enthusiasm of the Hungarians at the start of the war.
@@catalinmarius3985everybody was enthusiastic about the war and tisza only agreed to this Quick war if we won't claim any land from the enemy. It wasn't a quick war and it sucked for everybody bc wars suck but it sucked for more than others after the versailles peace talks
I’m wondering how the naming of newborns works with minorities in Hungary. “Parents can choose from the approved list, but if they wish to use a name not on the list, they need to seek approval from the authorities. This process ensures that the chosen names are in line with Hungarian linguistic and cultural traditions.”
It's not very limiting, considering how "Narutó" and similar names are on the approved list. Basically if you want to name your child something that's not on the list, they'll likely approve it unless it's something like "Pissboot". The "Comply with Hungarian linguistics" is also very simple. for the previous example, "Naruto" is a no-go, but "Narutó" is okay. Another example: Jennifer is not approved, but Dzsennifer is. It's the exact same name with the same pronounciation, just spelled in a Hungarian way. Minorities, hungarian citizens who live outside of Hungary and similar cases also have completely different laws regarding the matter. If one of the parents is Russian for example, the child can be given a Russian name without any problems.
I had a Hungarian math teacher once, he once said to me that “Hungarians are known to tell great jokes” and he did! The man was hilarious, also one of his shticks would be to look up at the sky with his arms out like Jesus and look blessed but he would also make like a goofy face when he did it, he was an old man so it was just a hilarious sight to see
Let's be honest, the Austro-Hungarian Empire was a mishmash of several different ethnicities, speaking different languages, practicing different religions. It was practically a mess led by often incompetent and racist people. The empire could never have sustained itself in the long term.
Trianon is one of the biggest losses for Hungary, really it is! 70% of the land and 60% of the people has been taken out from the state, but, there are couple things that should be mentioned: - It was not a Hungary, Hungary didn't have their state and real borders, it was just proclamation form Viennnas Kaizer that the rest of the state will be given to Budapest to work their "inside things", like tax collecting, work with local laws, municipalities and etc. These territories of the Magyar land was also given to them, in favour of the medival Magyar Kingdom, with all of the lands that state possessed in the medival period; - Hungary lost the 70% of the land and 60% of the people, CORRECT, BUT, if you have more than HALF of that territories and people that are living on these territories that are not Hungarians, something is not right. Hungary didn't lost all that territories that was REALLY Hungarian, but just territories that Hungarian state have the control all from the medival period, that wasn't really Hungary or even populated with Hungarians. For example we the WHOLE Croatia, southern part of Serbian Vojvodina, Burgerland in Austria, some parts of Romania also: - These facts can be some of the facts that can stand in defence of the Trianon, but nevertheless, Trianon was really CRUEL for Magyars and definitly (even that Magyars was on the bad side of the war) this Trianon agreement should be less cruel for the Magyars. Northern parts of Vojvodina are still inhabited with 80%+ Magyar population, in Romania we still have I think around 2 mil Magyars, so the Trianon was really a bad decision, that can maybe come in some future to problems and even wars. Serbia have the similar problem even today, where around 35%+ of their population lives outside of Serbia (Republic of Srpska, Montenegro, even Kosovo if we are looking on it as a independent state), which is really bad thing for every country and state to have such a big number of the people that are not living in their home country. That can leave to really big and bloody conflicts.
If Hungary would have made it out with the Hungarian-speaking cities Novi Sad, Subotica, Arad, Oradea and Kosice (idk about Timisioara or Bratislava, think they were moreso German if anything) and their areas it would have been pretty fair.
In the 2021 Romanian census 1,150,154 citizens declared themselves as ethnic Magyars. Perhaps the other 1 million declared themselves Romanian or Saxon or perhaps 150,154 Romanians declared themselves ethnic Magyars.
@@adamcako5281 You are talking today or in 1920.? I am from Novi Sad, now there is around 1-3% Magyars in Novi Sad and about 35% in Subotica. Novi Sad founded Serbs around 4 centuries ago, before the Novi Sad, there was Bistrica, town/village populated by Serbs/Slavic people in medivel time. Hungarian language has never been the majority speaking language in Novi Sad.
Great video on the topic! Personally (as a Hungarian) I think due to the intensive magyarization and the political climate at the time (some version of) Trianon was pretty much inevitable. The way it was executed was pretty fucked up though. At the minimum parts of Transylvania and the partium could've stayed within Hungary if they followed actual ethnic distribution. Of course as mentioned the infamous red map probably didn't help. In any case what happened happened. As the saying goes demography is destiny. We Hungarians learned to live with it and I think minority rights and international relations in the region did improve over time. I'd say the biggest threat to everyone in the region is not their neighbors anymore but their own low birth rates. But that is another topic.
As a Romanian I think Hungarians had their natural national awakening in the 19century like every other nation in Europe. Because of this awakening the fall of all multiethnic empires was bound to happen. They knew this and did what every other nation in their place would have done given the power and the position. They tried to conserve their power while trying to establish a Hungarian national identity that will keep all this territory under control. That's why Hungary is not to be judged by today's moral and political stances ignoring the historical context of the time.
@@alupigus9284 Very nice assessment! Fully agree. Quite refreshing to hear an objective approach to history in this age of "Columbus was a dirty mass murderer" mentality.
In 1918 when war was already over, Ferdinand Juriga, slovak politician, asked in Hungarian parlament for fedearalisation (FEDEARALISATION, not seccesion, that came later) of Hungarian Kingdom and he ask self-determining right for Slovaks. Nice magyar colleagues started scream to him nice things as "gazember" and "noose for him". After his speech, István Tisza called "kreuzer comedy" and he irrited said, that if Juriga want be serious, he can't says these nonsense. Btw, before Trianon, thanks to Furiga's speech Apponyi in 16th january 1919 in Paris argument, that Slovaks in reality don't want leave Kingdom. Autonomy in Kingdom for minorities were promised to Wilson even in 5th October 1918 by Tisza, Apponyi, Károlyi, Andrássi and company, just to during of conference with Emperor Charles two day later when they said, that something like that is absolutly unacceptable.
It's so sad, because for both countries it would have been a way better solution. Tho now with the two having the two most fascit and least democratic gov. in the EU they are getting closer (ironicly enough) 😂
First, i can't understand what do you want to say at the last sentences. Second, are there any online resource to it? I tried to search maybe i can find Hungarian one but other the fedearlisation idea mentioned twice, couldn't find more about the speech or anything)
This is mostly right, but did u know that Hungary had the first Minority laws for slovaks and Romanians, there were no country in Europe that had Minority laws or anything like that at the time. The Magyarization was ruled by a communist goverment. In Slovakia today there is still Slovakization to this day, and we still suffer from it. Kids NEED to learn slovak and we can only talk slovak in goverment buildings, only a few cities have hungarian administration, so yeah. I-m not sayin we were angels in the past, but we didn't deserved that loss. And don't even get me started about the 76 000 hungarians deported from slovakia. Peace from Slovakia 🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺
What they never tell you is that Greater Hungary would've never been a thing without the feudal system. What do proponents of Greater Hungary even propose? The return of the feudal system? Ethnic cleansing? Or what? I'm really curious about this.
A much needed film as Trianon shapes everything that has happened in Hungary in the last 100 years. Thanks a lot, Janos. Could you do something like this big introduction to Hungarian meme culture? For me as a Pole who still has big problems with language, this would be very cool. As proof of how much your knowledge of Hungarian culture has influenced my life, let me talk about the fact that my brother, after seeing the spinning Hungarian duck to "János Legyen" song featured in one of your materials at the beginning of that year, decided to go to Budapest even though we had not planned it at all beforehand. Viszlát!
János gratulálok/congrat! You showed on a very well way this injustice peace dictate and why was a national tragedy what never gone in the minds. High five!
Austrians are smart. They know if they let you in in 50 years Wien will be an ancient daco roman city which was stolen by the Austrians. Always good to keep the gypsies at the border of the town :) 😂😂😂😂
As a Slovakian, I don't see this as a tragedy. My nation was under Hungarian rule for almost one millennium, with the last three centuries being the most opressive in Slovakia's history. My people were forced to undergo 'Hungarianization,' and Slovakia was treated as 'Upper Hungary.' While Hungary is now a cool country, I want to make a point about how every country in Europe likes to play the victim card. From Hungary's perspective, this was a tragedy, but from the perspective of the countries that could finally break free from Hungary's rule and reclaim their culture and borders, for them it was the best thing that ever happened.
no such thing, slovaks were invited into the land with no right to claim anything other than integrate, coz we were running low on mapower from the continous onlsought from wars, our mistake was not brutally integrating immediately like others, no kindness goes unpunished, if you want your land go back to whereever u were invited from trash
Damn, I'm impressed. I was ready to jump in thinking you will only cover the negative Hungarian side of Trianon, but you summed it up pretty much perfectly. Sadly this isn't taught properly in Hungarian schools and its though to swallow, but Hungary's break up started at our proudest moment in 1848 when through a failed rebellion against Austrians we became a nation. The before and after years of that meant we defined who Hungarians are for better or worse (mostly based on language ) and treated ethnic minorities badly. Even if someone argues Trianon was too harsh it pretty much just showed an inevitability that had to happen since neither Hungarians nor the minorities felt like they are one nation and As Yugoslavia showed you cant just glue a nation together based on vibes.
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There are things that are worse than war. Like, losing a war, for example.
@josephsatricleofevillanuev3194 bulgaria is stronger than logic though, real reason Russia doesn't declare war on NATO is not because of nuclear armageddon with the united states but because bulgaria is strongest country in the world 💪💪💪💪
Austria loses the war... gets territories from Hungary at trianon.
@@adamcako5281 most of the ripped if territories were divided by ethnicity
@@dietrichdietz yes, there were mostly Croats and Austrians but still.
Also the principle of following ethnic boundaries was not applied to the other territories, not even slightly.
Maybe don't start wars you can't win.
If you claim to be Hungarian, but don't have at least 1 playthrough in Hearts of Iron IV where you restored Greater Hungary, then you're not truly Hungarian
I do it every few weeks in different mods and paths.
same can be said about Romanians, restoring Greater Romania !
I ruled half of Europe in Civilization 6. Does it count? ;)
bonus points if you saved the poles from.... well.... almost everyone while doing it
Does roleplaying Hungary, restoring its territory and anexing Romania to commit geonocide there in hoi4 make me Hungarian then ?
I will stay neutral on this one, my doctor is Hungarian and my dentist is Romanian, living in Germany is really tricky
Everyone thinks its so easy to live here but the fact is its not. Its challenging in another complex way similar to Britain Id say
As long as you are not Turkish, you should be fine.
@@bogdananghel2498 🤣🤣🤣
hmmm.. and thats why we dont have doctors and dentists in eastern europe 😢
@@bencesomorjai6632 yeah and even HERE they get super rare and you need months for get an appointment. Idk what they did for management here in Europe but there are somethings going haaaaaardly wrong. But in Germany the debate was rarely so heated as now
The funny part is how France was telling to stop this "horrible empire" when they had territories in Asia, Oceania and Africa being used to extract their resources.
Not just that. The Magyarization policy was based on the french minority policy, who in 19th century, perfectly assimilated their minorities.
French colonialism was hypocritical from the start, claiming to bring civilization to africa and asia but really only trying to compete with england imperial power. Trianon was also just about realpolitik : they couldnt dissolve germany in the treaty of versailles so they just surrounded it with friendly power by carving up hungary.
@@Medvelelet your answer is more relevant that the commentary. There was a tacit agreement that Europe was a different place from the others thus the comparison is strange contrary to the comparison with the way of how the regional languages have been swept away in France
Yeah well the British used the same against Czechoslovakia and their treatment of Germans in the Sudetenland... Not to brag or anything, but ethnic minorities in Czechoslovakia had the best rights in Europe with the right to language, work, vote everything... Meanwhile the British were raping Africa like nothing happened
@@therealnuggetballYou opressed every ethnic minority before ww2, and ethnically cleansed most of your lands after ww2. You must be a comedian.
Bringing up trianon in a group discussion with hungarian citizens is like switching game modes from team deathmatch to free for all
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No. It is like switching from free for all to team deathmatch because it's easy to take a side 😂
Edit: Added the word "team" before "deathmatch".
@@Hardcore_Remixer free for all is a deathmatch
@@sigged Sorry, I wanted to mean team deathmatch.
@@Hardcore_Remixer your comment didnt cook properly bro...
When Neil Armstrong took his first step on the moon, the first thing he saw was an old Hungarian flag.
there is no way you are not a Romanian for knowing that joke.
Nah, this is quite basic. It's like saying the Dacians built the Pyramids.
@@bigzed7908 both your and TimisDaniels statements are correct.
But we all know that first there were Serbs, then developed the amoebae, and after several hundred millions of years of evolution, the rest of the nations developed.
@@nenadireland Blasphemy.
As a romanian, I wish all the Eastern Europe and Balkan countries will cooperate much better in the future, to create a political pole of influence in order to avoid being used as pawns on the chess table by the big world powers.
There are countries being mistaken as Eastern European countries but they're Northern Europe like Scandinavia.
Lietuva, Latvija & Eesti 🇱🇹🇱🇻🇪🇪
Yeah, we won't.
@@giadf9747 Aaa. That's because context is important. Do you divide Europe in 4 quadrants or 2 halves? Most refer to EU as West EU and East EU in reference to the postbelic period due to how America and URSS divided most countries.
@@purple66666 I see Europe divided into 5 parts to be exact
@@giadf9747 You guys are all Ruzzianz
János did a great job, presenting correctly the narrative of both sides.
I want to believe that videos like this help to maintain peace and the common prosperity of Central European countries.
Which both sides ? There are more than two sides involved here.
I mean considering that he only used mainstream sources, he did a decent job. It's just a pity he didn't research a bit deeper to find the actual root of the events, which was Freemasons who started undermining Hungarian politics as early as 1906 when they already had it all planned out.
@@matewbran5951 hun vs all minorities of "greater hungary" (croatians, serbs, slovenians, romanians, slovaks etc.), the later so-called "Little Entente"
@@Treveljan In my opinion it is a mistake to consider this as one side. Not at the end of WW1:and not after. There was very little coordination among this group of countries.
* Janosz / Janoš
as a hungarain it feels weird someone explaning this so well in under 15 mins
@Atilla_Kaan The Khazars never became Hungarians, though. They still have their own separate religion and political interests to this day.
@Atilla_Kaan that's stupid
and unbiased!
that to@@pomiisodst
That really horrible, when soneone with such low knowledge as János, can explain anything about the hungarian history before such a big public. This is the dark side of RUclips, that Big Nobodys can teach about false things to the mob...
when i was in budapest, even the guide, who was a student and didn't like orban, went on a 10 minute rant about trianon
You dont have to like or dislike Orbán to also hate Trianon. Its a shared feeling between hungarians.
@@fritzier5475 unfortunately its not that shared anymore. liberals do not care about trianon nor do they care about the interests of the nation. they are filthy traitors to our nation
whether you like orban or not Hungary is based and epic with or without orban. i think orban lost his mojo with his Ukraine takes .i guess some Hungarians still hate Ukraine over that time they annexed a farm in the year 1000 or something
trianon has nothing to do with orban or even with the political left/right. some people want to make it political, they can get fvcked. also nothing to do with education, a jewish surgeon with a PhD will start the same rant just as fast as anyone in hungary. in the socialist era, there was a push to equate anger over trianon with fascism and antisemitism, just as they did with the revolution of 1956. sadly some people from that generation believed those lies and nobody really had the chance to argue with the official party ideology, that may be the main reason these things/associations still exist today for a small (but sometimes loud) minority. people outside hungary can’t be expected to have a deep understanding of the historical context if this is not something they especially care about, so I guess these things are unavoidable and happen everywhere.
As ukranians having a rant, right? Though they are just lising fifth of their territory....Think!
Egysegykre! I am a Slovak, our family has not Hungarians in its tree, there is some German/Czech. I do not speak or understand Hungarian, but have visited Hungary a couple of times, never had any problems with the local people there. I also met some Hungarians in the Tatra mountains during hikes, nice people. I also met a group of Hungarians in Prague, again nice people. I never had any problems with "Slovak" Hungarians, and I fully respect their culture. I have been to venues in specific parts of southern Slovakia, that were held bilingual (Slovak and Hungarian) and I have no problem with it. I have no problem with Hungarian schools even in Bratislava. I want us all to get along, be kind to each other and enjoy life. Slovakia and Hungary are both in the EU, NATO, the border is only an imaginary line on a map. Everyone can travel freely, work where they desire, speak their language. I never supported any nationalist "us vs. them" parties, because we all sit in the same boat. So please, my dear neighbors to the south, let us live in peace together and strive for a better future of our children. A future based on mutual respect and cooperation. I want my neighbors to live and prosper, because only when my neighbors are having a good living, I can have a good living too.
This is entirely up to you now. You are in the position now where you should make gestures to Hungarians on a government level, and I think most Hungarians would make peace. But you need to acknowledge that as the one in the winning position, you have to make the first step.
@@mateus750who cares about Hungarians honestly, besides other hungarians
@@rizzllerr well many fought alongside hungarians for millenia we just lost too many against the byzantine empire mongol empire ottoman empire habsburg empire russian empire i mean who wants to stand with us? with such disadvantage we face all the time? :D hey its ok
This subjects are used by some groups to study what is the impact on population, so that when needed like in political campaigns, they will know what to do.
So pay attention to the puppeteer.
I would love if we could all live in peace, but what you said about the border being an imaginary line is simply false. For a while not too long ago hungarians were, in fact, not allowed to speak their language in Slovakia specifically. I'm pretty sure it's over by now and wasn't a big thing, but it shows that it isn't that simple.
I used to read a lot of Polish press from the interwar period. I was very interested in how the communist takeover in Hungary after WWI was portrayed. The nationalist press praised the coup, saying it was forced by "unjust" treaties, the socialist press condemned it as an extension of Hungarian imperialism. What I liked best was the Christian press, which stated that there was no revolution and in fact the Hungarian bourgeoisie started "pretending to be communists" so that they could continue to "bully the Slovaks." Interesting how history is not black and white :V
You might have seen more sympathy for them from the Christian press in Poland because Hungarians are also Catholic, whereas many of their subjects who didn't want to be Hungarian at the time were Orthodox. Just saying, think every angle, this might not be relevant today but a century ago it was very relevant. The Hungarian delegation at Trianon tried to argue against the treaty in front of the European great powers based on their "cultural superiority" over Romanians and Serbs, among other things, basically saying that they deserve to rule in territories where the majority of the population doesn't want them because muh kulture iz great.
@@costinhalaicu2746
Not really.
We newer put those people in front line in the battlefield!
Like those shity countries like France, Austria, Belgium, England etc.....
We PROTECT them!
Trough in centuries!
And return they betrayed us,alongside with the west.
But what we could exept descends of thiefs,cannibals and traitors?
😊
@@costinhalaicu2746 That is what was strange about the Christian press that they were against the Hungarians. Well, but after some thinking it has a lot of sense, the main concentration of Christian conservatives was in Krakow, which was in the former Austrian partition, where they simply had contact with Hungarians and how they treated minorities. Things in Europe are always complicated
@@AleksanderK12Right. And most non-Hungarian Catholics at that time in Hungary were of various Slavic ethnic groups except the Dalmatians, whose Romance language has been extinct since the 1890s, and certain Romanian Catholics
Wrong. Proclamation of Slovak Soviet Republic and moral collapse of army
Despite the communists' promises on the restoration of the former borders of Hungary, they declared the establishment of the independent Slovak Soviet Republic in Prešov on 16 June 1919.[2] After that proclamation, the Hungarian nationalists and patriots soon realized that the new communist government had no intentions to recapture the lost territories, only to spread communist ideology and establish other communist states in Europe, and was thus sacrificing Hungarian national interests.[3] Despite the series of military victories against the Czechoslovak Army, the Hungarian Red Army started to disintegrate because of the fundamental tension between patriots and communists during the establishment of the Slovak Soviet Republic, and that concession shook the popular and military support of the communist government, particularly among professional military officers, patriots and nationalists in the Hungarian Red Army. In fact, even the chief of the general staff, Aurél Stromfeld, resigned his post in protest.[4]
Trianon was the 3rd tragedy. The ottoman occupation was the 2nd 1st was the tatárs. 4th biggest tragedy was being stucked behind the iron curtain
Basically the 1th and the 2nd said tragedy granted an ethnicly diverse Hungary, thus giving a reason to make the treaty of trianon.
@@h00d3dcrow Hungary was an ethnic diverse country since its foundation, Slovaks, Romanians and Ruthenians being there even before Hungarians arrived in the Carpathian Basin
@@metodiusm428 Yes, but they were negligable in numbers. The series of demographic catastrophes meant that the country became less and less hungarian by the centuries.
@@Medvelelet The country of Hungary was never a homogeneous ethnic Hungarian state, it was since the beginning ethnically diverse, there were Slovaks in the North, Ruthenians and Romanians in the Eastern mountains where they formed the majority in Ruthenia and Transylvania, and even Cumans in Kunsag which were assimilated by Hungarians, and many towns which were built by Germans.
@@metodiusm428 My bad, sorry, I misunderstood the definition of homogeneity, I thought it just meant mostly similar. You are right. It was never 100% hungarian.
Note:From 1918 until 1921, violence against Hungarians and by occupying troops against each other rocked mainland Hungary. 1919 saw four months of communist "Red Terror" before Adm. Miklos Horthy's National Army militia unleashed "White Terror."
Horthy, who served as regent from 1920 to 1944, claimed that "only an iron broom can sweep the country clean" and declined to offer an apology for the atrocities.
Based Admiral.
Very based of him.
Red Terror was almost random in it's cruelty, while the white terror had clear targets.
Super based.
Extremely common Horthy W
As of today the reason Treaty of Trianon hurts the hungarians the most is that it generates pointless hate among us ඞ and our neighbours. It is directed to people who have nothing to do with the original conflict.
Thank you János for your unbiased and thoughtful video about the topic and for being one of the few on this platform who can deliver the complexity of this treaty!
Fun fact:
Hungary lost some of it's territory to Austria, the very country that started this war.
Yeah, for some reason, we got boned by even the power that lost the war. I don't even know what they were thinking at the negotiating table. "Hon, hon, hon There will be peace in our time with this one"
@@sued_ Well when it comes to giving land to Austria it was mainly because there was no significant hungarian population in this area. City of Sopron comes to my mind where the inhabitants had a vote about staying in Hungary.
@@attilaszabo869ye but after a bit of uprising
@@attilaszabo869 Burgenland rebelled against being annexed by Austria. And Austria was THE losing party, even if it's due to "ethnic minorities", it still made zero sense, because they gave hungarian populated terrotories, neighbouring the drawn Hungarian borders to others. Nothing was about ethnicity.
@@Karabarsz Thank you for sharing this!
Honestly im not nearly as well informed about this region's background as the other territories next to the hungarian border. I hate to spread misinformation so i'm now tempted to edit it but will keep it like the same anyways.
One thing i think we can all agree on is that this treaty had a huge impact on the people living in the pannonian basin and led to more chaos eventually in the coming years after it.
What's really saddening for me is that even today it creates a constant tension between our nations and for some people we are more like competitors than friends despite sharing a long history together and similar way of living our lives.
Much love from Poland to our Hungarian brothers!
Lengyel, Magyar - két jó barát!
the feeling when you want to drop the 🔥 Polak, Węgier, dwa bratanki 🔥 but bro from Poland is faster 🥹
@@Mephistopheles9 🙂 Have a wonderful day brother!
A note already for 0:50
That was very much NOT the case. There was an entire thing about the Hungarian part of the empire declining to agree to a declaration of war against Serbia unless the warhawks caved to a demand to not annex any further territory into the empire (in this case pointedly from Serbia)
Yep, even the main goal of the Austrian leadership was to reign Belgrade in, take them from the Russian sphere of influence, and stop them from actively pursuing south slavic unification. I don't think the aim was to conquer.
Denying belgrade to become strong enough and unify south slavs was the main pivot of imperial policy since the Serbs got thier independence from the Turks. The annexation of Bosnia, and the occupation of novi pazar was done also to keep south slavs fractured/deny serbia of access to the sea.
The guys in Vienna were stupid, but they understood that keeping together the empire is hard enough as it is, and annexing millions of angry serbs would not help the cause.
@@gyorgymuller5060Tisza was generally against the war, it took the ill-fated "Stop at Belgrade" plan to convince him to agree to it, on the premise that the Empire was just going to parade over Belgrade to save face and slap the Serbs a bit (well, not really "a bit" - bombing and some light pillaging was probably to be expected).
@@fakeplaystore7991 I know that the Hungarian part of the monarchy was against the war. Budapest even delayed the events, until the combined pressure from Berlin, and Vienna was just too much.
I just noted that while it true that Vienna was way more pro-war, their goal wasn't conquest, as it is stated in the video.
There have been protests against the war in Budapest, but nobody could do anything since the Hungarian army was abroad, and the Kaiser had total control over these troops.
@@fakeplaystore7991 pillaging is rather related to semi-asiatic orthodox countries, where the population was illiterate even in the era of WW1.
I disagree. The worst thing that has ever happened to Hungary is not the treaty of Trianon. It’s Fekete Pákó.
Csávót szeressük. Ellop...akarom mondani, mesteri tehetséggel dolgozott át egy dalt majd tette az ország slágerévé. Azóta gondolunk két dologra ha aztmondjuk didi
Goddamit, now you remindid me that he exists
@@furikvon1111Bárcsak ő lenne a miniszterelnök!❤
Pákó is the reincarnation of 2pac
@@AverageHungaryan It his cousin
I wish you would've talked more about France's impact, and how their allies reacted to it (like the US literally boycotting peace talks, and the UK trying to talk France into a more fair peace treaty condition. Or that how the borders were often specifically drawn in a way that ignored ethnic lines, instead, giving these ethnic Hungarian lands away because it had an economic importance (like railway hubs, significant mines, factories, etc etc). But the video is very informative and respectful yet still delivered in a joking way, so nicely done!
Also could have mentioned the Freemasons' undermining of Hun. politics using Oszkár Jászi and his Martinovics Lodge between 1906 and 1912. Knowing about those events, it becomes apparent that they already had the whole thing - including the treaty and both wars - planned out decades earlier.
Many Hungarians hate France with a passion because of that, especially those of the boomer generation
It probably helped that all the 19th century romanians were Frances biggest fanboys.
Well because he is now romainan so tlaks and twist and leave out things like a romanian 🤣😆🤣😆
Its all Frances fault. Like look at that glowing penis in Paris. France is a penis country
As a Pole, I have to leave me words of support to all Hungarian friends
It is interesting how so many people know lots of things about the war but few knows about the treaty of Trianon and the results after.
Western education and even intellectual / historical discourse completely ignores just how brutal the partition of Austria-Hungary was
@@spointz8936 Yeah we're told so much about how unfair the Versailles treaty was because of funny mustache man. Even though Trianon and Sèvres were undoubtedly harsher, makes me wonder what post WW1 Germany would have been like if they were broken up in a similar way
@@FlorkGnubbler There weren't any bit minority groups that could be split of Germany.
Maybe Masurians and Upper Silesians. But both sides mostly preferred Weimar Germany than Poland.
Nobody likes to be the bad guy. If it's something that everybody knows like Germany in WW2 then thewhole nation is telling themselves 7/24 that you must not do this again.
For comparison in a survey done not long ago many grown up japanese failed to recognise the swastika as a hate symbol not even mentioning their lack of knowledge about the nazis. One of them asked if they were the bad guys... Not saying education in western countries is perfect but there are way worse examples for it. As surreal as not being aware of such an important point in history makes me less confused why we tend to make the same bad decisions our ancestors did few centuries or even decades ago.
It is the biggest catastrophe in history and was just propaganda as we know Hungary still owns the world to this day
Very true indeed
@@LivingIronicallyinEurope It is yo great pleasure you agree
We all know you are not actually an Hungarian but an... sombody is knocking on the door brb
@Phenix1234HD never finish that sentence
@@LivingIronicallyinEurope România la putere! Ardeal pământ românesc! Ardeal=Ardenna from latin Rome ruled this land in 106! 🇷🇴💪🏻☝🏻🏛💯☦️
My Father is Slovak, my Mother is Hungarian. So i hear about these things always from both sides. The sad part is that in this time and age, we have open borders. Slovakia still exists, Hungary as well, but it does not mean much anymore. Anyone can move freely from country to country. With my Slovak friends i defend Hungarians, with my Hungarian friends i defend Slovakia. We are in this together as we were for 1000 years. Don't let the chauvinist political agenda of Jan Slota from 20 years are ago and the modern agenda of Viktor Orban get under your skin. It does not matter. The borders are set and here to stay. Many Hungarians live in Slovakia, they have the right to learn in their own language, speak their language, celebrate their things. Yes, time to time somebody acts like an idiot, but don't let one person ruin your day.
I am not saying we have it better in Slovakia, especially after the last elections, but many Hungarians are running from Hungary to Slovakia for more freedom and better life and many Hungarians are opening businesses here, since the business environment is just better in Slovakia then in Hungary right now. And as far as i know, that is a good thing, we as two nations, are closer then many people even realize. We have a very long and connected history.
Preach, Királyom ❤
Thank You! Faith in humanity restored!!!
No Hungarian is actually running to Slovakia. Its Hungarians living in Felvidék moving to Hungary. And who says border are here to stay? Borders change constantly
What is the problem with Orbán? Hes trying to end the war in Ukraine by using veto on the billions worth on weapons sent ... Romanians Slovaks Hungarians and Rusyns were stripped of their rights untill Orban pushed on the matter.
@@justhair17 >Borders change constantly
No significant change has occurred since WW2
It's rare to see someone from the region handle this subject with respect for multiple sides. I think videos like this help to bring us closer instead of dividing us. Great job!
With giant mistakes..
That really horrible, when soneone with such low knowledge as János, can explain anything about the hungarian history before such a big public. This is the dark side of RUclips, that Big Nobodys can teach about false things to the mob...
@@kevhynaleks2631care to explain?
@@alihorda ofc he didn t care to explain :)) i love seeing salty hungos spewing their own fake history all over janos comments sections (while janos is actually trying to be as impartial and fair as possible, while also being 25% hungo)
Not forgetting also that 62% of Hungarian railway infrastructure was cut off and a significant part of rolling stock was essentially stolen.
Re-possessed 😉
@@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwave N-no? I guess you can't know how Hungary built like in the early of 1900'. I won't tell you now, if you wanna know it, then research, but this threaty ruin our economy down to 0.
@Overdrive_Fancry
@@rizzllerr we wont but truth must prevail
@Overdrive_Fan bro said heck💀
Blame the french they the ones who drew the borders btw Hungary not the US
Blame the british rather, if they had agreed to dissolve germany like the french wanted, then the french would have no need to surround germany with friendly states like Czechoslovakia and therefore no need to carve up hungary
@@yc6018 typical Britain 9 out 10 border disputes are caused by them
Hungary is more based and epic than France
@@belstar1128 maybe 12th century hungary
@@belstar1128
France negs that irrelevant shithole
Didn't the Hungarian element in the Austro-Hungarian parliament refuse to advocate war with Serbia unless the Austrians promised to NOT annex any Serbian land? I thought that was the historical account.
The guy left out a LOT of the story and the video is full of inaccuracies
@@jacky9590which parts?
@@KartingRulesfor example, they didn’t attack serbia and start ww1 for just the sake of gaining land, serbians assasinated the heir, so they were completely right
@@nimrodszocs2795 So the Americans were right to invade Afghanistan because of Saudi terrorists?
@@jacky9590 Of course he left out a lot dfo things he speaks like a true thief(romanian)
1) You sound like the young Orbán Viktor, which I just realised.
2) Great video. One of our greatest losses because of Trianon that many people forget is our intellectuals. A lot of them lived in present day Slovakia, the Highlands as we called back then.
3) Few talk about Hungary (or rather, the Kingdom of Hungary) before Trianon, and especially before the Turkish occupation of 150 years. The idea of "nations" didn't really exist back then. Although I remember our first king István's advices to his son, where he also wrote that he should be mindful of people of several backgrounds in our kingdom, and he should respect them and aim to make it work. In the freaking 11th century.
Austria was punished Hungary did not exist then. Hungary was created at Trianon when Austria was dismembered.
Hitler gave Transylvania to Hungary and in return they exterminated their Jews.
At the age of 30, as Europe's youngest prime minister, in 1998 Orbán demanded and obtained the property of Tokaj Jews deported to Auschwitz. "Let's not win the most!" Orbán, the bloated greedy pig, snorted infamously
Complacency breeds contempt
Trianon be like
Hungary: This tragedy will be remembered for centuries
Romania, Serbia, Czechia, Slovakia: Oh, what a day! What a lovely day!
Joking aside, as a Romanian, I am surprised Austria is causing us more problems than Hungary. What strange times we live in.
Yeah, uncommon Austrian W
@@justhair17 I have to give it to them, not many countries want to be vassals to Russia nowadays.
Yoo! its you again bro!
@@justhair17 , ah yes, being against migrants whilst also being the reason we even have that problem to begin with.
Putin's proxy
Me going to the comment section expecting a full out war betwen Hungary and Romania....and people here being just chill and mostly respecting each others ideas ...is really disapointing..
Come on Hungary...I know we visit and enjoy each others countries in the milions each year...and drink palinca togheter... but this is the internet...we have traditions..
Szopd le apádat akkor🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺
Croatia was totally fair, barely any hungarians even lived there and it was already almost completely autonomous.
Thats true but the rest was just common thiefs
hahahahahaha wtf 1 mil just from Croatia.... More from Croatia than from Serbia, but that is because Seribans make some kind of selection, they expelled only 40 000 out of 400 000, mainly goverment officials.
Serbia have had an still have
1948: 433.701 - after ww2 numbers rise
1953: 441.907
1961: 449.587
1971: 430.314 - after easier passport aquisition numbers start to fall
1981: 390.468
1991: 343.800 - start of 90ties wars
2002: 293.299
2011: 253.899 - no more visa
2022: 184.442
I think we get why people were angry after losing two-third of their country, but giving (almost) the whole of Transylvania is what adds insult to injury. That was unreasonable without a doubt.
Most of the territories lost in Trianon had no Hungarian majority other than Székely.
@@h00d3dcrowunreasonable?! So if I steal your land for 100 years and try to forcefully shut down schools it's officially mine? 😂😂😂
I'm a Hungarian so you can guess my opinion over it
But I don't see it ever change nor I want it to change now, since it would cause more harm than good
The borders are quite open, and minority laws are pretty good, so is the free market. So really the only thing that can bother us is the official status, names and who get the tax over that land. A hard but necessary pill to swallow. Especially since excessive nationalism is actually keeping Europe from a unification and a stronger economy.
It really is dumb to fight among us when the world got smaller and there are bigger fishes threatening us. I want Europe to be the dominant economic power and the peak example of democracy and modern free civilisation.
The Eu pretty much want to undermnoe our economic power so we have to bend the knee to america....
Hungary's greatest catastrophe is actually not just one event, but a continued onslaught of bad luck and misery.
Like...from 900 to last Sunday, it's been the worst succession of just misfortune after misfortune.
It's enough to look at the Anthem of Hungary. It's literally just about begging to God to just have some mercy at least maybe please.
Looking at the whole history of Hungary through the lenses of old slavic mythology would make one consider the possibility that Chernobog really has an axe to grind with them.
"Chernobog" is not an actual mythological figure and, in terms of actual historical suffering, Hungary is pretty much nothing compared to something like Ukraine.
@@avenger4027 Let me guess. Chauvinistic hohol dumbass, right?
@@avenger4027Ukraine did the most stupid decisions, but of course that’s the fault of the leaders. There is absolutely no reason for them to be still fighting and wasting money and resources from everyone that supports them. They aren’t gonna get the territory back by being stubborn. They need a proper consultation to end the war. Also, the Russians over there were a majority and they were still mistreated by the law.
And a continued onslaught of treacherous, greedy, opportunistic leaders.
@@avenger4027 Look, I'm against Russia and all, but comparing Ukraine's historical catastrophes to those of any other Eastern European countries while they lived privileged lives in the Russian Empire is...wrong. Incredibly wrong.
The Holdomor is the only big event of sorrow in Ukrainian history. Nations that lived under the Ottoman Empire have a lot more to complain about.
I absolutely love your videos, but at 0:48, Austria did not intend to annex Serbia, merely to humiliate it and force its cooperation in Austrian matters. Hungary only agreed to war on condition that not an inch of Serbian land be annexed, something which greatly annoyed the Austrian warmongers. This condition was actually the source of a great deal of confusion during the July Crisis and mobilisation period, and many Great Powers (especially Russia) assumed annexation was the goal, thus adding to the heightened tension. Thanks for the video 😊
0:58 Just a little side note: after the incident in Sarajevo, Austria-Hungary was encouraged by the German Empire to declare war, because they finally had a cause to start a war against the Entente. It wasn't just the Habsburg's fault, the tensions between the great powers were already high at that point. Great video btw!
Lol it was the complete opposite. Germany had little to none intention going on a war with france or england. In fact they just beat france, retook their land Elsass which was ocuppied by the french opressor for several decades and just started having colonies abroad. Stupid WW1 stole germans golden century
Actually, no.
Germany said it would support Austria-Hungary, however, after Serbia accepted most of the ultimatum, Wilheim II said any cause for war is lost.
As a hungarian this vid was hurted my soul
I had no idea about how chaotic the years before the signing of the Treaty of Trianon had been. Guess I have to read more about it and the Balkans in the inter-war period. Great video!
I'm a Serb and I really have trouble of following all the events that had happened here in the past, there are so many migrations, conflicts etc. it blows my mind when I start thinking about it.
This video is great! We definitely need more videos like this one, showing how some less discussed countries in the media are doing and how they feel about certain historical moments.
I like to think about the Fall of the Kingdom of Hungary and it's Breaking Into Three as the "greatest catasrophe" which we have still not recovered from, so Trianon is just a part of that not recovered state
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getting beat up regularly for being Hungarian in one of the neighbouring countries is a must have childhood trauma for every Hungarian kid who's ancestors refused to move to anoter village after the Trianon treaty...
people are stupid, i'm romanian, but i don't agree with kids beeing bullied for such stupid and political things, there are plenty of other reasons to be bullied , but this is just abject discrimination, not ok
Kids bully other Kids for any reason they can find it has nothing real to do with your ethnicity
@@MarianVamanu-x6hhow dare you try to ignore the discrimination against Hungarians. There will be justice
Mi magyarok adunk majd nektek… nem felejtunk, h mit tettetek es tesztek az erdelyi terstvereinkkel!
Magyarok istene bennunk el
@@J-IK So we're going to ignore hundreds of years of discrimination hungarians did before all this?
It's very hard to feel sorry for your people, you did this to yourself
Now, this is why I became a member of your channel, sir👍
I am Croat, my great grandmother was Hungarian (Fekete), my great grandfather (her husband) was German (Fritz), my other great grandfather was Italian (Fortuna), great grandmother was Croat. Other part of family are all Croatian, old Croatian. Our History (Austro-Hungarian empire) is very long, rich and full of wars. I live in Croatia, and don't like when somebody want to take any part of my country. History is history, we need to make future better. Like the video, very good.
you are an european.
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Then you realize why we frown on you still holding onto OUR land north of the Drava? And even after we get the croat army to survive, regroup and nearly forcibly reequipped by us inside Hungary at the yugo war too! The gall! We dont give two damns about how croats or slavs or any old minorities want to do their own things until loyalty is assured! Our germans can do it, the jews can do it, the tiny barely existing cuman and Iazyg remnants can do it, hell even the gypsies are usually allowed to do whatever they want, but that land still belongs to the Holy Crown of Hungary so this wrong must be corrected! For these matters we have a bone to pick with even the poles! We have the eu and shit so its returning wont change much. Aside from removing an eyesore, any possible future comparsions along with serbs or vlachs and giving us a peace of mind that not all sinner involved in this should be punished by our curse! Witch had already taken quite a hold on the west! God have mercy on them because we will only give them the last unction! :D The shaman spoke.
The name Fekete in Romania is a Hungarianized name, translated into Romanian it means black.
@@alexandrumuscas Thank you, I have been 4 years old when my great grandmother has died, so I didn't learn much about her past.
As a Finn born 82 years after the Great War I am deeply offended by the mistreatment of my Ugric brothers
realy? And when you were opressed by Sweden, was it cool? And it was norhing like what Hungarian politics do to Slovaks, Romanians etc..Don't talk about something what you don't understand.
@@miso3685 When we were part of the kingdom of Sweden it was pretty cool
Based arctic bro
@@MegaJani He's probably not arctic, only 2% of Finlands population lives in the arctic
@@Spacemongerr Yeah but it sounds cool
0:45 i think it's important to notice that somebody was killed, and it wasn't just a random "we'll go to war" decision. Usually killing a prince IS cause for war....
A serbian student assasinated the heir presumptive to the throne of Austria-Hungary, which was the last trigger factor caused the WWI. :(
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip
Great video! Thank you for making our history more accessible, and easier to understand for the world.
Very bad video. Thats really horrible, when soneone with such low knowledge as János, can explain anything about the hungarian history before such a big public. This is the dark side of RUclips, that Big Nobodys can teach about false things to the mob...
Ι once asked an old magyar gentleman about Trianon. He said "No comment" and left
This was actually a much better video than I expected! Big+ to you!
It's surprising that France and Britian didn't advocate for just drawing thoughtles straight lines for borders.
i never clicked on a video this fast in my life
HAHAHHAHA
@Pisii-chan Why are you called piss?
@@Medvelelet because im not magyar
@@Pisii-chan Its a funny username. Pisi is how kids say piss
@@Medvelelet and how do adults say it?
It is a known fact Atilla the Hun was the first one in Transilvania.
But the question is, who stole his horse?
Ppl from the west
@@VickyshokaRomani...s
Trianon was an in-your-face lesson for Hungarians about "the strong do as they wish and the weak suffer what they must" (Thucydides). This is where the current conservative worldview of Hungary being on its own in the world comes from. You can disagree with it (same with the revisionist sentiment 100 years ago) but if you don't understand how it came to be you don't understand history and you don't understand people.
But why should majority slavic and romanian lands belong to Hungary ? And in this case, shoudn't Hungary belong to Austria as it did for hundreds of years until 1918 ?
I think it was the opposite, Trianon was an in-your-face lesson for Hungarians about "the strong do as they wish and the weak suffer what they must", because they thought "we are strong, these minorities in Hungary are weak, we must make a homogenous state, let's magyarize them!". Turns out, minorities (who were more than 50% of the population) really hate you when you try to magyarize them, and earning a reputation as "the jail of nations" earns you no friends at the peace conference.
But Orban's government as the mindset you are talking about. It's astonishing how would could get an in-your-face lesson and then repeat the same mistakes over and over again.
@@3dfxvoodoocards6You saw the map in the video. Look how much territory outside the new borders had majority Hungarian population. While I'm not a far right nutjob who wants everything back I don't blame Hungarians 100 years ago who wanted it back.
@@manwiththeredface7821 - Magyars were in minority (even after Magyarization) in their own Kingdom. That says it all!!!
@@3dfxvoodoocards6 WDYM hundreds of years????
The thing is Slovaks and Hungarians were the two founding nationalities of the kingdom of Hungary from before nationalities meant anything at all, we were bound by our loyalty to the king, we are in fact two brotherly nations that went through a lot during our 1000 years of common history. We were hungarians because that meant that we were subjects of one king/ruler not denominating our nationality.
What lead our ancestors 100 years ago to trianon and separation is really just a culmination of romantistic ideas about nation states from (1848). Magyarisation is the reall problem, slovaks were down for a federation with separate senates and self rule, but not after "Apponyi laws" were implemented , meant to erase slovak heritage and culture.
apponyi fucked you guys over big time!
"Slovak" wasnt even a thing. It was a mixture of different slavic people. Poles, moravians, ruthenians, rusyns, etc.
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@@empat8052Slovak was a distinct described language and culture since 11th century. Litteraly in written record.
Slovak itself was a mixture of the south Slavic peoples, namely coats and the Czech people (where Czech was the majority).
Akin to Slovenians..
The region of modern day Hungary used to have the Slovene culture which was the overarching culture between the two.
As a Slovak I also feel this way. Luckily, we are now like brothers with Czechia because of Czechoslovakia and I don't see that to change any time soon.
What is most interesting for a historian is that the Triune Kingdom of Croatia was never part of the Kingdom of Hungary, as mentioned in the Trianon the border fallows the old Croatian - Hungarian border. But most Hungarian nationalist put maps of the St Stephan union of Croatia and Hungary and confuse it with Hungary itself
That's why they are so unhappy, because they do not know what that map represents.
It wa part of Hungarian kingdom.
@@dakedakinson64 have you read the 1868 compromise? Kingdom of Hungary and the Triune Kingdom of Croatia were two kingdoms in a crown union, each separate with its own borders, governments, laws ect
Actually 1,7 million pop is just Budapest city proper, the whole metro area is like 3,3 million at this point.
The austrians ended the Habsburg Empire in 1867 when they gave majority slavic Slovakia, Transcarpathia, Croatia and majority romanian Transylvania to Hungary. Nobody accepted to be ruled by the hungarians. And to the break up began...
Jeez, this does reduces the treaty of versailles that germany got a to mere slap on the wrist.
I think it was machiavelli that talked about wounding a man lighty makes them thirst for vengance but if you wound them severly they can not...
The US forced France into being "moderate" with Germany. Not a great idea.
I mean, Austria-Hungary started the war, it makes sense they got the brunt of it. Germany was just an ally that joined in. The media focuses on Germany more because they were bigger, stronger, wealthier, and more industrialized.
@@Peglegkickboxer On the other hand, Austria, punished or not, would've never been a threat to the Entente again. Can't say the same of Germany.
The biggest problem with Trianon for Hungarians, especially for those who became minorities in other countries (myself included), isn't the fact that the treaty happened, but how unfairly it happened. Yes, Hungary lost the war, it was multicultural state, it lost territories with absolute or relative Slovak, Romanian etc majorities. That was hurtful, but totally acceptable, since the treaty based itself on the "right of the self-determination of peoples".
The problems began when it came to the question of territories with absolute Hungarian population. The "right of the self-determination of peoples" was either fully ignored, or outright falsified and dictated. Borders of the new Hungary weren't based on any ethnic lines, but on out right strategic interests. As mentioned in the video, 1/3 of the total Hungarian population (3,3 million) became a minority, and the majority of them in territories where they made up, and in many cases make up the absolute majority, even to this day. If you look at an ethnic map either from the 1920s or a nowadays one, you can see that the majority of outside Hungarian population is concentrated on the borders of modern Hungary (sure there are exceptions like Székelyland etc). And for some reason this fact is always downplayed by outsiders when talking about the issue and they only look at the big piecharts which say "oh look, the Hungarians are whining again, even tho they make up only 10-20% in the statistical area which was specifically created to downplay their local majorities".
Even tho THIS IS THE PROBLEM of Trianon. It's not a trauma and tragedy because Hungary lost 4 million Romanians, 2,5 million Slovaks, up to a million Germans, Slavs or even Croatia itself, but because it lost 3,3 million Hungarians, whose loss was not justified by the treaty itself, since it was (supposedly) based on the "right of the self-determination of peoples".
Trianon might be justified, but it doesn't make it just.
Edit: typo
Non Plus Ultra
There was just no way to accurately draw the borders back then. I think the modern borders are a compromise. Romania at the time wanted to get everything East of Tisa after all.
Borders of WWII Hungary is best Hungary.
@@Player-re9mo There was Teleki's 'red map' about the ethnicity of Hungary (which was based on the census of 1910). It was the most accurate document about the ethnicites in the territory of Great-Hungary, but at the Trianon treaties the great powers refused to use it as a starting point for the new borders.
(hu.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A1jl:Ethnographic_map_of_hungary_1910_by_teleki_carte_rouge.jpg - Wikipedia link where you can find it)
@@Noone.05 I watched The Great War show, and there is says that Teleki's map was biased towards Hungary. And with just one quick look at it, I can see why. This is very different from so many other 1910 census maps, making Hungarians look so much more than they really were.
reading the comments, I'm pleasently suprised about how civilised everybody talks.
Great video, very well balanced.
I'm a hungarian who lives in Romania, and my view is in 2024 shouln't really matter where those lines between country's are drawn. We can work,live, have a family anywhere we like. We are more similar than sometimes we realise. We grown up in the same ex communist shithole, just the language was different.
Be kind to eachother, being mad about something you can't control and looking the big picture, doesn't even matter is just silly.
much love❤
The USA and UK getting mad at Hungary for magyarization is the most hypocritical thing I've ever heard. I dont think langauges and culture should be forced on people but the western powers have BEEN doing that
Even if "shouldn't be forced" it minimum should be expectable from people living in a country to know the official language. Am i right or am i right?
grade A hungolian bs. They haven't been forcing it on anyone ! We've been partaking in it willingly ! cope harder bozgor ! & its well known by everyone living in these regions, you lot only want to push your uralic names and culture on everyone else. so cry me a river with your Trianon whining !
@@tovarishchfeixiaonot when your country is not even majority that ethnicity. And that’s why they don’t have it , and their insistence on it is why they’ll have even less in the future.
@@mirelchirila Let me guess, you're a delusional brainwashen romanian. Or just a not too educated child.
Because you clearly need to get some basic education.
Just check French africa….😂😂😂 ohh man i love when western countries want to play the good guy. Western countries are the most agressive, selfish opressors and they want to play that they are santa claus
I will tell you this moment I was with a Slovak and Romanian friend.
Some Hungarian guys walked in and started being foolish. These 2 of my friends just start mocking them by saying Trianon.
why did Austria get Hungarian territory?? I swear they were messing with Hungarians.
They did a little bit of trolling
Because Burgenland was primarily inhabited by Germans
Imagine: you losing a war and still gain some land
4D Chess move
Because Burgenland was majority German speaking.
Burgenland was german majority
Look I'm a Romanian but I carry no ill will towards Hungarians. Yes bad things were done, but the perpetrators are dead and so are the victims so there is little that can be done today.
I traveled from Debrecen to Budapest and back just this weekend and without knowing the details of this history I noticed the massive difference in development between the two. In fact as my train went through various towns and cities I thought that many of the places I passed through seemed much more rural and underdeveloped than I had expected having only visited the capital before.
You can thank Orbán for that. Here in Romania it's the same for the most part, with everything revolving around Bucharest, except that our 2nd city Kolozsvár managed to place itself economically in a solid 2nd place after Bucharest (while being less crowded and with overall nicer people).
@@wyqtor it has nothing to do with Orbán, but rather with how the country developed ever since the late 18th-19th centuries. it was a centralized state with budapest in the center.
Just want to say, im not saying these things in a negative way, had a great time visiting Hungary and will be going back many more times in the future.
@@Baso-sama from where I am stood Orbán seems to at least care about his country. Unfortunately I can't say the same about Sunak...
@@wyqtor Not to knowledgeable about the fellas policies and all that. The disparity between Budapest and the rest of the country was hard not to notice though.
Thank you for making this video. I learned so much from this. I myself am planning to make three videos about this topic one day since this is - somewhat - affects me. My paternal grandfather and the entire maternal side of my family is from Transylvania. My first video would be about the entire shitshow that accompanied the end of World War One in Hungary between 1918, the Aster Revolution and the second royalist coup attempt in 1922. My second video would be about the Magyarisation efforts of the 19th century and basically the why of Trianon. The third would be about the life and history of the Hungarian diaspora post-Trianon to this day.
While I do consider Trianon as a tragedy being a typical Hungaraian, I also think that this somewhat a tragedy of our own making. Something we really should learn from and not something we should reverse.
Sad that you learning from these uneducated videos.
That really horrible, when soneone with such low knowledge as János, can explain anything about the hungarian history before such a big public. This is the dark side of RUclips, that Big Nobodys can teach about false things to the mob...
@@kevhynaleks2631 my brother in christ take a shower
@@peenmeen412 You can go there also
@@kevhynaleks2631 learn to speak english properly before trying to roast someone
@@peenmeen412 Nobody questioning my english, but looks you are unable to do anything else, just personalizing the debate.
Janus not a historian, he makes a lot of mistakes, gives incorrect explanations, omits important elements. He became famous for his funny silly videos, but it would be nice if he would hold back himself, when talking about things he knows so little about.
a small correction: the Apponyi laws did not result in closing all ethnic schools, it resulted in closing >>state funded ethnic schools. kind of a big difference. it was still quite a harsh law, but i wonder how many other countries at the time funded schools where the state language was not taught at all.
edit: there was a typo
In that time and even today most if not all schools but just a few foreign schools are state schools. 😅
@@purple66666 there were plenty private schools left, and those schools which complied with the requirement and started teaching hungarian continued receiving the funding. now show me which of the successor states fund minority schools where the state language is not taught at all today.
@@Baso-sama what is the point of school, that dont teach 'state language' ? How are students supposed to live in that country without knowing official language? Its a massive disadvantage for them...
@@TheDigimarauder exactly my point. you should ask this question from those who bring up lex apponyi as a proof of evil magyarization. especially since we talk about state sponsored schools, not private schools. the one harsh thing about lex apponyi was the short notice time. i think they should've given more time for these schools to train and/or hire teachers who can teach hungarian.
@@Baso-sama In Slovakia, there is even a hungarian university funded by the štáte, not talking about hundreds od schools and kindergartens....
The thing is that almost all of this could have been avoided if Austria-Hungary was allowed to federalize instead of being carved up by outsiders.
Danube Federation could have been beautiful... But nah, let's divide a world power into two entirely artificial entities, neither of which shall see the end of the century, and Romania. All of them very hostile to Hungary. What could possibly go wrong.
I feel it has to be noted that the Hungarian nobility at the time, didn't want to do anything with reforms or federalizing. They pretty much vetoed any and all changes Austria would try to pass. (Now where have we heard that before?)
Maybe it could have been forced after the war, as the allies were going to be more leniant. But after the communist revolution and subsequent agressions, that atittude pretty much completely dissolved.
So, as unfair as the treaty was...
We partially brought it on ourselves in the end.
@@avandorhu-3389 this is exactly right. The Hungarian nobility royally fucked up Hungary's chances for a fair Trianon. (Many other things did as well but especially them.)
@@riograndedosulball248 I'd say the instability of Hungarian own goverment ws a major contributor in all of this. UK for example wanted too keep Austro-Hungary around but the chaos and instability frced their hand.
Austria Hungary could've survived if it federalised before the war, not after. No way Serbs Romanians and Czechoslovaks and Poles would let it slide
Just a few notes,
1, Austria didnt have problems with the "magyarization" because his kind heart, he was afraid losing control. Playig his minorities against each other was a cornerstone of his politics ( for example, in 1848, Austria incited national revolts against the hungarian revolitionalist, but even much later, during the great war, requisitions of grain where carried out by chech army groups in Hungary, hungarian army groups in Croatia and so forth)
2, So we lost, minorities gain their indepedency, that's allright, but many lost territories were almost 100% ethnic hungarian. Szeklerland for example is a hard nut to crack, because it's inside romanian-speaking territory, but Csallóköz is south slovakie and parts of the partium region, north vojvodina where all hungarian majority at that time,and they were still taken away whitout any referendum or sorts. Only referendum was for the city of Sopron and his roundabouts, after some irregular fighting activities, which were supposed to transfer austria (which why exactly getting any territory at all, being the one that starting the war in the first place?)
3,Those hungarians who stayed outside the trianon border, had a really hard time. Cant use their langue freely, most of their lands where confiscated (the got promise to pay something for it, but it wasn't happened in the end (after a few decades, when the communism kicked in, everyone got the same threatment anyway)
I grew up in Satu Mare, NW Romania. In our town we have about 35% Hungarians but I never heard of ANYBODY not being allowed to speak Hungarian. By the way, I leaned what Kutya harap means because it was written along with Cainele mușcă un all gates.
This opression fantasy is an own constantly fed thing to keep unhapiness awake. But in Satu Mare we have an Hungarian mayor (since 8 years or so), schools, theater.
It is far, far away of Aponnyi magyarization law (legal genocyde) from 1910 my friend,
I found your video surprisingly balanced, despite its obious shortness and the clickbait title 😁. Chapeau.
As a young boy and later teenager, I was brought up/educated with a very nationalistic approach. Part of this came via the party/state sponsored channel in school, propaganda and what not. Part of the nationalism trickled down from my great grandmother. She inherited the trauma from her parents - if I recall, she was born in the now county of Bistrița in northern Transilvania. She didn't speak much of it, or I was too young to remember, but I have vague memories of her telling me the life was so tough at the turn of the 20th century for ethnic Romanians in Austria Hungary, that they (her family) had to cross the border to the Kingdom of Romania (Regat) and settle here.
30 years ago - don't get me strated, my blood would boil just having somebaody mentioning revisionism - Now, as I grow old(er)😅 I find other priorities in life than clinging to collective memory historical debts. Or flying into a rage to prove a highly subjective point. Peace and health are the best things we can have that can enable us to fulfill our objectives in life.
Let the debate begin😂
I'm a hungarian but half of my family lives in transylvinia. Y'know how much racism and oppresion my mom got growing up? Y'know how much history was lost bc romanians destroyed them? Y'know how hard it is to only see your family once or twice a year while having the worst trip of your life bc theres no clear train track into the country? I had a childhood friend who was romanian and spoke hungarian, imagine my shock when he became a hungary hater and told me how in the perfect world romania would be 2 times bigger even reaching Budapest the capital of hungary. Both the school system and when there was communism hungarians were very limited many my age highschoolers want to go to hungary and go to college and uni here heck even my mom kinda ran away from family and romania altogether.
Not saying revisiniosm would solve anything but laws protecting both sides would help alot for the ppl living there. But goverments just don't care
@@Vickyshoka Mate you can enter the country using your id like in the rest of EU no one is limiting you . And FUN FACT train lines are shit all over the country is not Romanians cutting access to Hungary.... its just Romanians being idiots and not investing in infrastructure nation wide.
And if you want to attend school and uni teached in Hungarian...well guess where is better to do that.... in Hungary. Its like a German complaining he does not have access to top German schools and university's in Romania..... well duh.
@@Vickyshoka hungarian = live in Hungary, romanian = live in Romania, hungarian does not equal live in romania same as a romanian does not live in Hungary.
Pov of average Austro-Hungarian young family: lets move to the most eastern side of transylvania and then then be persecuted by native people because my people persecuted the living hell out of those native people in the past. If you plant carrots dont expect potatoes the same as if you persecute somebody because they are literally living dont expect something else in return.
What about the title is clickbait? Did you watch a different video?
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Obligated to learn another language so you can live a normal life.
WOW János you did a really good job covering the topic. My opinion is that altough people say time heals all wounds, it will not heal this one. Trianon was such a blowback in our economy and moral in general that we feel its aftermath even today. Losing a shit ton of natural resources, big part of our population, our influence in the region. I Understand the other side too: magyarization was not the right answer to the "we need more magyars" problem, and we needed to be put in place for it, but the punishment was too big, and I still dont know why even Austria got land from us?!?!? Hungary will never forget Trianon.
Austria got Burgenland (Örvidék) to keep hungarian border ~80 km away from Vienna, means it was an austrian national security request which has been agreed by the winner powers. So when Russia has national security concerns I dont know why one has no understanding for it.
@@palucci888 i didnt understamd since Austria was also on the losing side and frankly had way more to do with the war than Hungary. Now tgat you explain it makes sense why they wanted it, but the part where the winners actually listened to their request and not Hungarys makes no sense.
Because Burgenland was majority German speaking.
@@palucci888 Russia will always have "national security concerns", even if it annexes the whole of Europe and the whole of Asia.
@@duwang8499 Well if that was an actual factor the winners considered Hungary wouldnt have lost a big part of transilvania and some other parts too
Hello, I am from hungary. This was the perfect trianon video. Köszönöm szépen, witch means thank you.
Love this guy's witty, yet clear commentary.
Thanks for the video!
Én is köszönöm az adományt!
...aand that would be 1 euro
@@raduromanesti6408 name checks out
@@raduromanesti6408 2.5
Just letting u know everytime u say your name (im hungarain) makes me feel sad everytime cause i know some of your realitves for sure grown up in hungarian culture. It means u and your family was hit by the triannon treaty in some ways... Great video time to remember again of this piece of history...
Everyone talk about Trianon Treaty but nobody talk about Vienna Award
Thank you, I’ve heard of Trianon but never knew much about it, this definetly shed some light on it, very enlightening.
That really horrible, when soneone with such low knowledge as János, can explain anything about the hungarian history before such a big public. This is the dark side of RUclips, that Big Nobodys can teach about false things to the mob...
@@kevhynaleks2631 I don’t take his word as the definitive word, and if curious enough, I can do my research, what he did do is bring awareness to the issue, that this is something that is still part of the Hungarian public discourse.
If he made any factual errors or misleading comments, i would be curious if you could correct him/tell your side of the story.
Technically Hungary Got Brougth In To WWI By Austria Soo i Think Trianon Was Kinda Of Unfair :p
Technically true, however it is more complex than that :D Hungarians didn't wanted cooperate in everything that Austria do, but couldn't leave the Monarchia either cause of 1848 and some other stuff.
Not really true, I would like to talk about the million comments from Hungarians saying that Hungary didn't want to be in the war and that they where forced into it by the Austrians, this way denouncing the Belgrade armistice and also somehow justifying their comments about how they should reverse Trianon. Anyways, this statement isn't really correct. Yes the Hungarian Prime minister Tisza was against the war and there where some in the Hungarian parliament who shared his views but saying Hungary didn't want the war due to these statements is like saying US didn't want to declare the war of 1812 just because some people in the congress voted against it. Most Hungarians voted in favor. The fact remains Austria-Hungary couldn't have declared war if Hungary didn't approve it. And despite Tisza initial disagreement, he eventually did agree to the war with Tisza saying "It was with difficulty that I decided to advise war, but I am now convinced of its necessity." Plus many Hungarians even actively supported the war at the start like Stephan Burián von Rajecz this support can also be seen through the large enlistment enthusiasm of the Hungarians at the start of the war.
@@catalinmarius3985everybody was enthusiastic about the war and tisza only agreed to this Quick war if we won't claim any land from the enemy. It wasn't a quick war and it sucked for everybody bc wars suck but it sucked for more than others after the versailles peace talks
Yeah, and still, Austria managed to get some land from them as well.
Isn't curious that Austria get some land after they start the war?
@@feco91
For some, trianon is negative, for some, positive....🇸🇰
No, but i also understand the position of Hungary in this, it practically lost everything.
Austria lost Hungary and Hungary lost its majority slavic and romanian colonies. Why should majority slavic and romanian lands belong to Hungary ?
I think the worst thing that happened to Hungary is when the US left them face the soviets on their own
I’m wondering how the naming of newborns works with minorities in Hungary. “Parents can choose from the approved list, but if they wish to use a name not on the list, they need to seek approval from the authorities. This process ensures that the chosen names are in line with Hungarian linguistic and cultural traditions.”
It's not very limiting, considering how "Narutó" and similar names are on the approved list. Basically if you want to name your child something that's not on the list, they'll likely approve it unless it's something like "Pissboot".
The "Comply with Hungarian linguistics" is also very simple. for the previous example, "Naruto" is a no-go, but "Narutó" is okay. Another example: Jennifer is not approved, but Dzsennifer is. It's the exact same name with the same pronounciation, just spelled in a Hungarian way.
Minorities, hungarian citizens who live outside of Hungary and similar cases also have completely different laws regarding the matter. If one of the parents is Russian for example, the child can be given a Russian name without any problems.
Can't wait to come back later and read all of the very intelligent comments from both sides.
the first part is so relatable bro! every hugarian ive EVER talked to was like that
I had a Hungarian math teacher once, he once said to me that “Hungarians are known to tell great jokes” and he did! The man was hilarious, also one of his shticks would be to look up at the sky with his arms out like Jesus and look blessed but he would also make like a goofy face when he did it, he was an old man so it was just a hilarious sight to see
Let's be honest, the Austro-Hungarian Empire was a mishmash of several different ethnicities, speaking different languages, practicing different religions. It was practically a mess led by often incompetent and racist people. The empire could never have sustained itself in the long term.
“The treaty of Trianon and its consequences were disastrous for the human race”
*Hungarian race
haha ! good one bozgor !
Trianon is one of the biggest losses for Hungary, really it is!
70% of the land and 60% of the people has been taken out from the state, but, there are couple things that should be mentioned:
- It was not a Hungary, Hungary didn't have their state and real borders, it was just proclamation form Viennnas Kaizer that the rest of the state will be given to Budapest to work their "inside things", like tax collecting, work with local laws, municipalities and etc. These territories of the Magyar land was also given to them, in favour of the medival Magyar Kingdom, with all of the lands that state possessed in the medival period;
- Hungary lost the 70% of the land and 60% of the people, CORRECT, BUT, if you have more than HALF of that territories and people that are living on these territories that are not Hungarians, something is not right. Hungary didn't lost all that territories that was REALLY Hungarian, but just territories that Hungarian state have the control all from the medival period, that wasn't really Hungary or even populated with Hungarians. For example we the WHOLE Croatia, southern part of Serbian Vojvodina, Burgerland in Austria, some parts of Romania also:
- These facts can be some of the facts that can stand in defence of the Trianon, but nevertheless, Trianon was really CRUEL for Magyars and definitly (even that Magyars was on the bad side of the war) this Trianon agreement should be less cruel for the Magyars. Northern parts of Vojvodina are still inhabited with 80%+ Magyar population, in Romania we still have I think around 2 mil Magyars, so the Trianon was really a bad decision, that can maybe come in some future to problems and even wars.
Serbia have the similar problem even today, where around 35%+ of their population lives outside of Serbia (Republic of Srpska, Montenegro, even Kosovo if we are looking on it as a independent state), which is really bad thing for every country and state to have such a big number of the people that are not living in their home country. That can leave to really big and bloody conflicts.
If Hungary would have made it out with the Hungarian-speaking cities Novi Sad, Subotica, Arad, Oradea and Kosice (idk about Timisioara or Bratislava, think they were moreso German if anything) and their areas it would have been pretty fair.
In the 2021 Romanian census 1,150,154 citizens declared themselves as ethnic Magyars. Perhaps the other 1 million declared themselves Romanian or Saxon or perhaps 150,154 Romanians declared themselves ethnic Magyars.
@@adamcako5281 You are talking today or in 1920.? I am from Novi Sad, now there is around 1-3% Magyars in Novi Sad and about 35% in Subotica.
Novi Sad founded Serbs around 4 centuries ago, before the Novi Sad, there was Bistrica, town/village populated by Serbs/Slavic people in medivel time. Hungarian language has never been the majority speaking language in Novi Sad.
@@konstantinorevic7754 I mean back then
Yeah wiki says magyar percentage peaked at 39% at 1910 in NS
@@adamcako5281 you say that from today perspective if hungary were to gain those teritories after the trianon you would still cry for more today
Great video on the topic!
Personally (as a Hungarian) I think due to the intensive magyarization and the political climate at the time (some version of) Trianon was pretty much inevitable.
The way it was executed was pretty fucked up though. At the minimum parts of Transylvania and the partium could've stayed within Hungary if they followed actual ethnic distribution.
Of course as mentioned the infamous red map probably didn't help.
In any case what happened happened. As the saying goes demography is destiny.
We Hungarians learned to live with it and I think minority rights and international relations in the region did improve over time.
I'd say the biggest threat to everyone in the region is not their neighbors anymore but their own low birth rates. But that is another topic.
As a Romanian I think Hungarians had their natural national awakening in the 19century like every other nation in Europe. Because of this awakening the fall of all multiethnic empires was bound to happen. They knew this and did what every other nation in their place would have done given the power and the position. They tried to conserve their power while trying to establish a Hungarian national identity that will keep all this territory under control. That's why Hungary is not to be judged by today's moral and political stances ignoring the historical context of the time.
@@alupigus9284 Very nice assessment! Fully agree. Quite refreshing to hear an objective approach to history in this age of "Columbus was a dirty mass murderer" mentality.
@@nagyonbalogh yes sadly that seems to be the trend nowadays. Makes it easier for some to play the blame games.
Thanks for making this video!
In 1918 when war was already over, Ferdinand Juriga, slovak politician,
asked in Hungarian parlament for fedearalisation (FEDEARALISATION, not seccesion, that came later) of Hungarian Kingdom and he ask self-determining right for Slovaks. Nice magyar colleagues started scream to him nice things as "gazember" and "noose for him". After his speech, István Tisza called "kreuzer comedy" and he irrited said, that if Juriga want be serious, he can't says these nonsense. Btw, before Trianon, thanks to Furiga's speech Apponyi in 16th january 1919 in Paris argument, that Slovaks in reality don't want leave Kingdom. Autonomy in Kingdom for minorities were promised to Wilson even in 5th October 1918 by Tisza, Apponyi, Károlyi, Andrássi and company, just to during of conference with Emperor Charles two day later when they said, that something like that is absolutly unacceptable.
fix ur grammar man xd
It's so sad, because for both countries it would have been a way better solution. Tho now with the two having the two most fascit and least democratic gov. in the EU they are getting closer (ironicly enough) 😂
First, i can't understand what do you want to say at the last sentences.
Second, are there any online resource to it? I tried to search maybe i can find Hungarian one but other the fedearlisation idea mentioned twice, couldn't find more about the speech or anything)
This is mostly right, but did u know that Hungary had the first Minority laws for slovaks and Romanians, there were no country in Europe that had Minority laws or anything like that at the time. The Magyarization was ruled by a communist goverment. In Slovakia today there is still Slovakization to this day, and we still suffer from it. Kids NEED to learn slovak and we can only talk slovak in goverment buildings, only a few cities have hungarian administration, so yeah. I-m not sayin we were angels in the past, but we didn't deserved that loss. And don't even get me started about the 76 000 hungarians deported from slovakia.
Peace from Slovakia 🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺
@@flavoredmoney29 Did you just not watch the video...mainly when magyarisation was being mentioned?
What they never tell you is that Greater Hungary would've never been a thing without the feudal system.
What do proponents of Greater Hungary even propose? The return of the feudal system? Ethnic cleansing? Or what? I'm really curious about this.
A much needed film as Trianon shapes everything that has happened in Hungary in the last 100 years. Thanks a lot, Janos. Could you do something like this big introduction to Hungarian meme culture? For me as a Pole who still has big problems with language, this would be very cool. As proof of how much your knowledge of Hungarian culture has influenced my life, let me talk about the fact that my brother, after seeing the spinning Hungarian duck to "János Legyen" song featured in one of your materials at the beginning of that year, decided to go to Budapest even though we had not planned it at all beforehand. Viszlát!
What have they done to my brothers from Hungary 😭
Top content bajo moj. Pozdrav iz 🇭🇷
Never forget nor forgive.
The land Hungary stolen and failed to keep
The Hungarians
@@eddy_malouempereur_du_cong6536 no. never forget nor forgive the western betrayal and always remember to never trust a romanian.
János gratulálok/congrat! You showed on a very well way this injustice peace dictate and why was a national tragedy what never gone in the minds. High five!
Let me tell you one correction. Hungarian navy had access to the sea. It wasn't only in rivers.
Other than that, good job, thank you for the video. 💪
But we are europeans now, Schengen is the reason why these sort of things shouldn't matter, if Austria actually let us in by land.
They won't because they fear millions of migrants will cross the Turkish-Bulgarian border and migrate to Austria
I wish, but we have idiot asshole Fascist politicians like Orbán and Fico, guaranteeing no calm and prosperity for the foreseeable future.
Austrians are smart. They know if they let you in in 50 years Wien will be an ancient daco roman city which was stolen by the Austrians. Always good to keep the gypsies at the border of the town :) 😂😂😂😂
Actually a balanced video, i liked it!
As a Slovakian, I don't see this as a tragedy. My nation was under Hungarian rule for almost one millennium, with the last three centuries being the most opressive in Slovakia's history. My people were forced to undergo 'Hungarianization,' and Slovakia was treated as 'Upper Hungary.' While Hungary is now a cool country, I want to make a point about how every country in Europe likes to play the victim card. From Hungary's perspective, this was a tragedy, but from the perspective of the countries that could finally break free from Hungary's rule and reclaim their culture and borders, for them it was the best thing that ever happened.
no such thing, slovaks were invited into the land with no right to claim anything other than integrate, coz we were running low on mapower from the continous onlsought from wars, our mistake was not brutally integrating immediately like others, no kindness goes unpunished, if you want your land go back to whereever u were invited from trash
Damn, I'm impressed. I was ready to jump in thinking you will only cover the negative Hungarian side of Trianon, but you summed it up pretty much perfectly. Sadly this isn't taught properly in Hungarian schools and its though to swallow, but Hungary's break up started at our proudest moment in 1848 when through a failed rebellion against Austrians we became a nation. The before and after years of that meant we defined who Hungarians are for better or worse (mostly based on language ) and treated ethnic minorities badly. Even if someone argues Trianon was too harsh it pretty much just showed an inevitability that had to happen since neither Hungarians nor the minorities felt like they are one nation and As Yugoslavia showed you cant just glue a nation together based on vibes.