" Even a man like P.D. Ouspensky, who lived with Gurdjieff for years, could not hear the whole teaching as it was. When he wrote his famous book IN SEARCH OF THE MIRACULOUS and he showed it to George Gurdjieff, his Master, he said, “It is beautiful, but it needs a subtitle: FRAGMENTS OF AN UNKNOWN TEACHING.” Ouspensky said, “But why? - why fragments?” He said, “Because these are only fragments. What I have told you you have not heard in its totality. And whatsoever you have written is beautiful….” Ouspensky was really one of the most skillful writers the world has ever known, very artistic, very logical, a superb artist with words. So he said, “You have written well, you have written beautifully, but these are only fragments - and the fragments cannot reveal the truth. On the contrary, they conceal it. So call it: FRAGMENTS OF AN UNKNOWN TEACHING. The teaching still remains unknown. You just had a few glimpses here and there, and you have put all those glimpses together, you have somehow made a whole out of them, but it is not the truth, it is not the real teaching.” Ouspensky understood it. Hence the book still carries the subtitle: FRAGMENTS OF AN UNKNOWN TEACHING. What to say about ordinary people? Ouspensky cannot be called an ordinary person; extraordinarily intelligent he was. If fact, it was because of him that Gurdjieff became famous in the world; otherwise nobody may have heard about him. One of the great disciples of Gurdjieff, P. D. Ouspensky, was dying. The doctors told him to rest but he would not - instead he continued walking the whole night. They thought he had gone crazy. He was dying, his energy was disappearing - what was he doing? This was the time to rest; he would die sooner if he went on walking. But he would not stop. Somebody asked, ‘What are you doing?’ He said, ‘I would like to die alert, awake. I don’t want to die asleep - otherwise I will miss the beauty of death.’ And he died walking."
Your interpretation seems very sketchy, actually. Because Ph. D. Uspensky TRIED to get into Gurdjiev"s past, yet was GIVEN just fragments. Because he RECORDED ALL he heard from Gurdjiev, yet it was in PURE PROVERBIAL Oriental form far BELOW Western rationalization.
@@robertcarter8600 As luncheonette should have made clear in his post this is quotes from Osho. But I would certainly call it beyond not below Western rationalization.
Have been studying this book and the 4th way since the early 70's. Its influence in my life has been an eye opening experience. It is surprising that their is so little interest in these matters. Thanks for keeping it alive.
A lot of the book was interesting and mind expanding, to a 21 year old back in 1975 but it was the practice of "remember yourself", found in this book, that makes it the most valuable single book I have ever read. I still practice, 47 years later.
'mindfulness practice' today... Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was asked about this... he preferred 'spontaneous right action' which occurs after regular experience of the Source of Pure Consciousness... Being
@@chevrelait "Buy and sell yet never forget God" - Bible. “forget the past, for it is gone from your domain! forget the future, for it is beyond your reach! control the present! Live supremely well now! This is the way of the wise...” - Paramahansa Yogananda "Be Here Now" - Ram Dass "Be in the now" - Ekhart Tolle "Remember yourself" - Gurjieff Over and again we find the same exercise, given throughout the Ages. This is not a secret doctrine! However, I think it must be found in youth, while the mind is pliable. At 16 Maharshi asked himself, "Who am I?" For him, that was all it took. lol
Ouspenski was a popularizer of Gurdjieff and his work, but was not himself Gurdjieffian. Thus their split. He never understood Gurdjieff's use of the unexpected to produce conscious shocks in his students. He failed to fully attain man #4. We are here to transform our caterpillar psyche into a Butterfly Soul, by integrating our Heart, Mind and Will. When the Heart aspires, the Mind inquires and the Will conspires (combines). The insight that inspires also empowers. Self-observation = neutral observation of negative reactive self or patterns or I's. Self-remembering = being aware of being aware. Objective Consciousness = Awake = being aware of being aware - of the all-inclusive, interrelated omnipresence of the Absolute unity of Creative Intelligence underlying and permeating all relative diversity, the All in One in All. Since to seek Wisdom is the wisest thing that one can do, Wisdom is the principle thing. Therefore, get Wisdom and with all thy getting, get Understanding. As the eye is a lamp unto the body, so is perspective to the Mind. Therefore, if your (third) eye (perspective)of Life be single (all-inclusive, interrelated), then your whole Being will be full of Life, and the Light of Wisdom and Understanding. Reality = That which is/That I am. Knowledge = What is known of Reality. Understanding = knowing how to apply what is known well enough to learn and grow. Wisdom = Competence in application of Understanding. To one that has shall more be given..... Who I am (social self), changes with time, place and circumstance. What I am (essential self), changes with embodiment. Only That I am (core self), remains eternally constant, and is that from which who and what I am arise and that to which they return. Existentially, our only real choice is between unconscious compulsive reaction and conscious creative response. Namaste'.
These concepts are illusions. Thought has no access to what is real. It can't even describe a simple sound or smell, yet it effortlessly conjures up a "Heart" or a "Mind"? There is no way to that which has no beginning.
That was amazing, I never knew about this film. I studied the works of Gurdjeiff when I was a boy and read avidly the works of PD Ouspensky. These teachings of course led to self discipline self discovery and went on to find other greater thinkers and teachers. What amazing thinkers, in some way we all found the miraculous just in the act of searching for it. Thank you
This is amazing to see! Goodness, it slipped by the radar all these years. Love it. Ouspensky's genius is so open, in an age of the brittle modern eruptions at their worst ever. 😎
To quote Ouspensky himself in fragments or in such miraculous, Mr Gurdjieff said very clearly: "there are no geniuses, there are only sleeping machines . The word "genius" is a much overused word, which cannot be used of a particular person but only in reference to whatever influenced him. As a general rule contemporary men seem to use genius to indicate little more than "a-jolly-clever-chap, and-much-more-clever-than me. That is not what genius means.
Thats exactly why I read the comments - to communicate with "my" mates Aren´t we all sooooo t h i r s t y for that - after almost 100 years of stupid passive TV-consuming ?
Now *there* is a stick with two ends The quality of irony is not strained; It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest; It blesseth him that gives and him that takes.
Wow! so many statements that are absolutely where we are now....particularly the final one. Now we take it to the next level; nothing is static. Consciousness evolves. Thank you for posting this.
The first book of his that I read was " A New Model of The Universe" . I was young and cooking BBQ at a BBQ restaurant and one of my Managers reccomended it to me. It really blew me Away... What an Excellent Book. I wonder where I could get another copy of it?!
Snuff the candle Frankincense Take off The flowing gown Close the book Don't start the prayer Let the telling cards face down Here Is where you are Now Is when you can Cut the fast And sacrifice Leave the crucifix alone Stop the dance And wailing chant Put down The mystic stone All that you behold Is magic in disguise Miracles Are everywhere In every - thing And in your eyes
Yes ! And then - after MORBIO INFERIORE (see Herrmann Hesse) or "the long night of the dark soul" . . . comes your individual cosmic vcocation. . . and THEN you can reall EARN . . . . some money
Many people are unaware of the deep influence that G.G. had on Kate Bush during her upbringing. But if you consider her achievements in music , dance movement, and philosophy towards life and the world it becomes revealing.
The reason there is little interest is most people have no idea they are asleep, just doing a few of the exercises where one has be self observant one quickly sees how mechanical we truly are.
Rather obviously nobody knows or can know that they*Are*asleep, only that they *have_been* asleep. There being several millions or possibly billions of beings on this planet and I am interested to learn that you have canvassed more than fifty percent or*most* of them. Did it take you very long to canvass several millions of beings? I only know that I *have_been* dreaming on thus asleep but obviously cannot know that I*am* dreaming or sleep, because if I did, I would not be dreaming or sleep or as dear old Karl Gustav put it " in-a-fog". Anyone claiming to know that he*Is* asleep or dismembered/dreaming(anything that goes on in the explaining mind), can only possibly be either lying or dreaming, or more likely dreaming *About* dreaming; the dreaded and inescapable *About*. Semingly Giorgivanitch said than a man has two possibilities-not more; Eat or be eaten.
Never ending river...2024...it is still within my reach...keep it reaching humanity...deep meditation..and wonderful exercise...ritual body...great task ahead..edge of rivers reach..knowledge..and sincerity..path widens our recollections...peace given...education of students lives on...brothers and sisters.....selflessness arrows... shot ahead..
The first ting that struck me about Gurdjieff is how observant he was so he could see ahead as a visionairy for what's to come as i often say connecting the dots only then you could see behind the veil of perception the higher truth to give your live a meaning in an ever changing world full of hardship and deceit isn't for the ill hearted. The second thing is of cause the position he was in to do these things are coming from a source how did he earn his money isn't exactly clear so i guess he was cunning to the core.
I was cleaning exercising meditating kundalini all day and was in perfect mood for this when I finally sat down around 9pm and I definitely am impacted
of Kundalini Giorgivanitch said this: " "In so-called 'occult' literature you have probably met with the expression 'Kundalini,' 'the fire of Kundalini,' or the 'serpent of Kundalini.' This expression is often used to designate some kind of strange force which is present in man and which can be awakened. But none of the known theories gives the right explanation of the force of Kundalini. Sometimes it is connected with sex, with sex energy, that is with the idea of the possibility of using sex energy for other purposes. This latter is entirely wrong because Kundalini can be in anything. And above all, Kundalini is not anything desirable or useful for man's development. It is very curious how these occultists have got hold of the word from somewhere but have completely altered its meaning and from a very dangerous and terrible thing have made something to be hoped for and to be awaited as some blessing. "In reality Kundalini is the power of imagination, the power of fantasy, which takes the place of a real function. When a man dreams instead of acting, when his dreams take the place of reality, when a man imagines himself to be an eagle, a lion, or a magician, it is the force of Kundalini acting in him. Kundalini can act in all centres and with its help all the centres can be satisfied with the imaginary instead of the real. A sheep which considers itself a lion or a magician lives under the power of Kundalini. "Kundalini is a force put into men in order to keep them in their present state. If men could really see their true position and could understand all the horror of it, they would be unable to remain where they are even for one second. They would begin to seek a way out and they would quickly find it, because there is a way out; but men fail to see it simply because they are hypnotized. *Kundalini is the force that keeps them in a hypnotic state. *'To awaken' for man means to be 'dehypnotized.' In this lies the chief difficulty and in this also lies the guarantee of its possibility, for there is no organic reason for sleep and man can awaken" There is more than enough to keep me dreaming and as asleep without any kundalini monkey business to ad to it.
There is an ancient saying based on puppetry:" The string that makes the victim turn and look up at the moon is the same string that raises the knife arm of the assassin. " In so-called 'occult' literature you have probably met with the expression 'Kundalini,' 'the fire of Kundalini,' or the 'serpent of Kundalini.' This expression is often used to designate some kind of strange force which is present in man and which can be awakened. But none of the known theories gives the right explanation of the force of Kundalini. Sometimes it is connected with sex, with sex energy, that is with the idea of the possibility of using sex energy for other purposes. This latter is entirely wrong because Kundalini can be in anything. And above all, Kundalini is not anything desirable or useful for man's development. It is very curious how these occultists have got hold of the word from somewhere but have completely altered its meaning and from a very dangerous and terrible thing have made something to be hoped for and to be awaited as some blessing. "In reality Kundalini is the power of imagination, the power of fantasy, which takes the place of a real function. When a man dreams instead of acting, when his dreams take the place of reality, when a man imagines himself to be an eagle, a lion, or a magician, it is the force of Kundalini acting in him. Kundalini can act in all centers and with its help all the centers can be satisfied with the imaginary instead of the real. A sheep which considers itself a lion or a magician lives under the power of Kundalini.
The quality of our dreams is both a reflection of our thoughts and actions as well as a general foreshadowing of the fate of our souls in the next life...A nightly, temporary karma that beckons us to change - for the good - so as to avoid a more permanent karma... Beauty(🌷)+Complexity(🌎) =Intent(❤️) The Figure 8 Analogy: An analogy on life, death, the dream-state and the symbolism intertwined within the human experience. We human beings are not traveling in the abstract motion of a straight line towards death (for instance, the numerical straight line of say 1-89). Instead, we are moving in the motion of a figure 8. The Figure 8 is a natural repeating pattern that is divided into two halves and is thus the perfect symbol to represent the human life cycle and our two primary states of existence that we are continuously moving in and out of -the Awake State and the Dream-State. When we awake from sleep we come full circle to when we fall back asleep (represented by the bottom half of the figure 8 )and when we go into the dream state we come full circle to when we awake from the dream state (represented by the top half of the figure 8 ). Upon death; the figure 8 of life untwines, but it’s not the body untwining from the mind that this analogy represents. It's two states of mind untwining to form a larger state of mind. (8-0) Because the awake state is really a state -of mind, with our body's physical reality "consciously" intertwined; and the dream-state is also a state of mind, with our body's physical reality "subconsciously" intertwined. Therefore; upon death, these two states of mind untwine to form a “larger” state of mind. A state that has all the potentialities of the dream world (flying, telepathy, psychokinesis, etc) combined with all the actualities of the awake world(nature, form, bonds, etc). This I refer to as the transitional analogy. While conceiving The Figure 8 Analogy, I realized life and death must be perceived -from one point of view- as seperate entities(the transitional analogy(8-0), but must also be perceived -from another point of view- as inseparable entities(the symbolic analogy👇), both of which are ultimately linked by the dream-state. The symbolic analogy consists of the untwined figure 8 of life/the 'circle of death’, if you will, which -abstractly- overlapps the ‘circle of life’/the Earth, with the overlappment representing the dream-state, like the common area in a venn diagram, and implies that the dream state is just as much a part of life as is of death ~by which semi-explains precognitive dreams, prodromal dreams, "visitations" by deceased relatives, etc; for the dream-state has a foothold in the afterlife, and is based on the premise that “while our body sleeps, our dream state symbolically represents the state that awaits upon our body's ultimate rest.” In other words, while we are lying down and sleeping/dreaming, this natural process symbolizes where we go when we're ultimately lying down/dead -to a place "like" our dream-state...A state "of mind” with our body's physical form+bonds eternally engrained and intertwined. ✋🏿👁~8~👁🤚🏻
Guys, i am enjoying the comments written by you all, as per osho, gurdjieff was a tantrik( there is no exact translation for this word in english). For those who want to criticize G, there is a quote for saints in India. The quote is “one who knows himself has no rules”
‘In search of the miraculous’ is by far the best ‘overall’ book that I have read in the quest of ‘seeking truths’. It sets out the framework in which one can gain the further understanding which is a precondition to truly appreciate the work of Gurdjieff. I do not think that Ouspensky deeply understood some of the valuable quotations that he gave from the Gurdjieff meetings. Gurdjieff said that he ‘buried the dog’ in his books, so as to make the reader really work hard to gain sufficient understanding. However, some of Gurdjieff’s ‘secrets’ were laid bare by Ouspensky in the book ‘in search of the of the miraculous’. As I say, I do not think that Ouspensky was aware of the importance of some of the information he set out in this book; otherwise, he would have buried it. I thank Ouspensky for writing the book.
@@martinwilliams9866 There is a direct relationship between the celestial and the behaviour/actions of the thin film of organic life around the Earth. This relationship is the secret (or the ‘dog’) and ones ability to prove this relationship elevates the possibility of truly awakening. Without such proof, one is simply mechanically following what they have read without truly understanding why. Repeating parrot fashion words of wisdom is not wisdom. Knowing this secret also allows the future to be an open book; and the apparent chaotic events on Earth are shown to follow the most perfect order and can be timed to the second decades/centuries ahead
In Search of the Miraculous talks about the 4 ways of discovering your Self. He said fakirs, yogis, and monks were the most common ways but the 4th way, the way of the Sly Man was through ingesting substances. I believe that psychedelics were what he was referring to.
No dear Rebecaa ! There is evidence that all these wise teachers wanted everybody to know, that ANY "s h o r t c u t s" - like drugs - can utterly RUIN EVERYTHING - including your body and soul ! -> See Robert S. de Ropps famous books (highly recommended by Mr. Al Thomas)
Of course we may be lead astray...but we are at Mercy of God....it's just as well because if we never know our insignificance then we may arrogently assume ourselves as alien divides against a wider dynamic and what created us....and lose out on our higher nature
Things are much simpler than we perceive, the inner struggle is just a symptom of our insecurities created by unnecessary, complicated, confusing systems, created by people who can't help themselves, and despite the fascination they cause all these experiences are one big meaninglessness , this remains just a good bedtime story, don't go deep into these empty life nonsense, don't look for meaning in empty phraseology, "everything happens quite differently" as Pushkin said...
There is nothing to teach, nothing to learn, nothing to forget. The content of the entire world can never truly reflect who you are, but I is the reflection of what you sense, experience and perceive. Yet one cannot be what is observed. Therefore, what sees even the act of perception is an illusion. Go inside yourself. The miracle is in there but it cannot be found as an object.
Often we wonder and in machinations of idoloization....as a form of security....and placement of ego but not always in a perminant state otherwise we become fixated or obsessed
Film mainly shows trains, with some innuendoes interspersed. I'd like more substance & perhaps another film attempting to explain Ouspensky's diagrams. Music is nice.
This may be a banal question but how did this guy ouspenski fund himself?He talks about the masses being machines/slaves and he’s right but he clearly had the advantage of an income did he not?
Rich followers, while Gurdjieff struggled to maintain his institute in function. He lived in an apartment .....I was thinking about that 2 days ago...I read Gurdjieff was discriminated while staying in a hotel with his followers. Still racism instill in planetary bodies prevail.
Ouspensky was accelerated philosopher and publisher of books long before he met gurdjieff. Gurdjieff too was very wealthy ..owned several factories ..he was a real inventor...lost millions during the war...also financed lots of russians and saved them from literal starvation.
some of the passages being narrated I don't recall reading in my copy of the book... I think I may have purchased an edited copy... where can I find an authentic copy?
Krishnamurti who visited him and warned against him saw the dangers inherent in too much conscious self-knowledge and the dangers inherent in becoming and egotistical self seeking.
YES David ! You have to discover your VOCATION (in best case for humanitys interests) ! See the utterly struggle of Hermann Hesse with C G Jung before ABRAXAS pulling out of the egg shell. . . (Hesse called that quickly MORBIO INFERIORE)
"We" being you and which identifiable interlocutor? You are at least half of we so you tell save that you have no experience of the last hundred years.
Gurdjieff and Ouspensky were seekers but the problem they faced was simple they did not have one foot in the sub-conches and one foot in the egoic mind set. So, the SEARCH OF THE MIRACULOUS was elusive. Presence and Intuition lead to experiential insights but the metaphysical logos they hole to contact within remained an ideal. They both were good people who strived for knowledge and subjectively they did good in the world by handing down their insights via teaching and writing. But sadly, they missed some simple basics pertaining to the structure they both were seeking to understand. The miraculous is viewed from the logic logos of the sub-conches inhabited. The egoic mind set is of the adult mind is difficult to transcend momentarily in order to reinhabit the sub conches viewing point. The egoic mind set is set fast and opposes voluntarily yielding its viewpoint stance. If Gurdjieff and Ouspensky had authentic ability to make the Law of three with and produce intuition of a spiritual order. Presence filtering via their own sub-conches would have mirrored awaking's instantaneously within their students. Such is the nature of human receptivity. Heart has its own electromagnetic field and the seeker IN SEARCH OF THE MIRACULOUS knows when the Heart is active because experiencing the active heart's participation in the higher state is part of what make it a miraculous experience. The sub-conchs' higher emotion, higher mind, the heart and body are all active ingrediencies. The difficulty is the overcoming the fear of how powerful the logos-fractal nature of the miraculous state is. It's so powerful we all chose the lesser easer to control state being the egoic state. I think as a collective humanity will reach this epoch, but it will take time to. Nature works in steps sequentially. AI may be one of technologies that helps us towards bridging the gap. Because when we inhabit our sub-conches, it is as if mind has Ai assistant ability. It is as it the seventh part of the making of the law of seven within is AI like in its assist ability to the authentic I am. Hope that was helpful.
I find that we as humans make pacts between us and God...when we're conscience of self and exorsing free will it's in the realm of what isn't emergency ...such as penitence hanging off a cliff and how much better we will be to save our lives
No, his system was syncretic, made up of philosophy, especially Neo-Platonicism, Cynics, Stoicism, Pythagoras, Plato, Aristotle, German Idealism, French Occult revival, especially Antoine Fabre d'Olivet, Levi, Papus, Hermetism, Kabbalah, Theosophy, the Tarot, a little bit of Sufism & Islamic Philosophy, Christian Theosophy, Mesmerism & Hypnotism, Spiritualism & Psychical research, Vajrayana Buddhism & possibly Kashmir Saivism.
Yes, fragments of Thomas de Hartmann's piano pieces are heard here and there. But Liadov's "The Enchanted Lake" is heard at first and throughout. Delius' "Summer Evening" is also featured. Incidentally, Liadov was to have been the composer of The Firebird for Diaghilev, but his slowness exasperated Diaghilev, who then engaged Igor Stravinsky. The rest is history.
Read this and some of his other works and some of Gurdjeiffs also. It was all fun and games with a lot of merit until the really weird shit started showing up like the moon being food for the earth etc. if I remember correctly. Just another step along the way.
Other way around. Moon eating soul essence of organic matter here. Moon being the predominant force in mechanicalness of organic life on earth. I just read this today in Ouspenskys Fourth Way. Yes it is a bit difficult.
@@wesleysullivan8047 I don't care which way it is, it is still batshit crazy. Some of the philosophy is very insightful, but once it got to that point I had to put it down.
@@edwardshafer1729 no, they are not- experiences come and go, the truth is eternal. However, seeking the truth is also a spiritual experience when the truth is misunderstood as being a thing, hidden somewhere in the world of information and concepts that has a label on it that says 'this is the truth'. The truth needs no seeking, it is always available to anyone- all we need to do is to identify and remove the false acquire throughout a lifetime exercised habit of relying on hearsay information from others, which we've been accustomed to take for the truth.
Spiritual experiences lead to Truth ...when not misused for spiritual pleasure ...but when used for furtherance and advancement of your spiritual growth, journey..
Seeking the miraculous is one thing, what these guys wrote is another. G.I. was constantly experimenting. P.D. was an intellectual, a scientist. When you can just be the thing they both talk about, rather than study...why. I am more cautious.
Beside some famous authors / painters and musicians I only know about 2 TRUE geniuses of the 20th century: TESLA a n d OSHO !!! Both absolutely underrated - yet their immensely power to come over humanity pretty soon. Osho has been called "spiritual dynamite" and Tesla "electric dynamite"
i wish i knew. i found it tucked away in an obscure part of the interwebs. it would be interesting to get more background information on the making of this film, and the footage.
A film directed 1998 by Zivko Nicolic (Yugoslav film director) based on the 1949 book by P.D.Ouspensky. Thoughtfully telescopes Ouspensky's book and glimpses of the teaching he received from Gurdjieff, interspersed with archival footage the Russia Revolution.
I can't find anything that special about his work. There is a lot of hand waving but very little actual substance? Can anyone tell me one great thing about his work please?
@@aseculardharma Not likely to be of any help to someone looking for personal development ways and means though is it? He may well have had something special, but my assessment is that he was unable to pass it on.
@@rossboucher3413 The dialogical process is limited, and yet it is the primary method of communication, particularly in the world we live in today. Words, in and of themselves, have little substance or meaning, and still, they are always pointing to something or someone where words imagine meaning abides. We talk too much, dance too little, and misunderstand ourselves and each other almost all the time. Is there a Fifth Way, one that could scale and restore the balance and resolve the mounting global tension each of us is experiencing today? Yes, and no. Most likely no. These threads, though fun are mainly the passing of time.
@@nexstory More intellectual bull sheet of no use to you or anyone. It just confirms totally what I said earlier. That if Gurdjieff did genuinely have something, it was not naturally contagious and he could not pass it on. It died with him.
@@rossboucher3413 Agreed. Question, what lives within you and what useful vision/solution would you like to experience and see manifest in your world.?
youtube had a copyright claim for a section where classical music was played in the background. of course, this is complete nonsense, as the copyright for this piece of music expired perhaps a 100 years ago. as we do not have the resources or time to fight this, we were forced to mute this section.
No-one could possibly*fully*understood the teach of Gorgivanitch, known as the ideas a tiny fraction or only fragments of which can be found in the book known as Fragments because he *Was or lived his teaching and not even those who were with him for long periods over long periods would dare to claim or even contemplate claiming to have fully understood his ideas and no more can you who never met him. If you really want to deepen or expand whatever amount of understanding you may have of the ideas, which could not possibly be*Complete*, you must at the very least read Beelzebub the required minimum of three times and I hazard that you will discover that you cannot read it once. H e called Beelzebub "All and Everything and it may well be that it is, so forget the idea that you understand anything of his teaching which you could not possibly unless you had been in his presence. Moreover the Work or his ideas in practice is an oral tradition which simply cannot be found in any books other than Beelzebub's tales to his grandson or all and everything which is a wonder and a miracle in itself and wonderfully funny.
If you wanted to actually learn anything about "The Way" you are completely wasting your time here. Endless references to his talks, no substance whatsoever. None.
" Even a man like P.D. Ouspensky, who lived with Gurdjieff for years, could not hear the whole teaching as it was. When he wrote his famous book IN SEARCH OF THE MIRACULOUS and he showed it to George Gurdjieff, his Master, he said, “It is beautiful, but it needs a subtitle: FRAGMENTS OF AN UNKNOWN TEACHING.”
Ouspensky said, “But why? - why fragments?” He said, “Because these are only fragments. What I have told you you have not heard in its totality. And whatsoever you have written is beautiful….” Ouspensky was really one of the most skillful writers the world has ever known, very artistic, very logical, a superb artist with words. So he said, “You have written well, you have written beautifully, but these are only fragments - and the fragments cannot reveal the truth. On the contrary, they conceal it.
So call it: FRAGMENTS OF AN UNKNOWN TEACHING. The teaching still remains unknown. You just had a few glimpses here and there, and you have put all those glimpses together, you have somehow made a whole out of them, but it is not the truth, it is not the real teaching.” Ouspensky understood it. Hence the book still carries the subtitle: FRAGMENTS OF AN UNKNOWN TEACHING. What to say about ordinary people? Ouspensky cannot be called an ordinary person; extraordinarily intelligent he was. If fact, it was because of him that Gurdjieff became famous in the world; otherwise nobody may have heard about him.
One of the great disciples of Gurdjieff, P. D. Ouspensky, was dying. The doctors told him to rest but he would not - instead he continued walking the whole night. They thought he had gone crazy. He was dying, his energy was disappearing - what was he doing? This was the time to rest; he would die sooner if he went on walking. But he would not stop. Somebody asked, ‘What are you doing?’ He said, ‘I would like to die alert, awake. I don’t want to die asleep - otherwise I will miss the beauty of death.’ And he died walking."
Your interpretation seems very sketchy, actually. Because Ph. D. Uspensky TRIED to get into Gurdjiev"s past, yet was GIVEN just fragments. Because he RECORDED ALL he heard from Gurdjiev, yet it was in PURE PROVERBIAL Oriental form far BELOW Western rationalization.
Thank you for this extra information even if it carries your own interpretation.
@@raquelwebb13 Thank you. Those are not my words. They are from talks by Osho.
Fear of death
@@robertcarter8600 As luncheonette should have made clear in his post this is quotes from Osho. But I would certainly call it beyond not below Western rationalization.
Have been studying this book and the 4th way since the early 70's. Its influence in my life has been an eye opening experience. It is surprising that their is so little interest in these matters. Thanks for keeping it alive.
Why do you suppose that your eyes were hitherto shut?
What exactly are " these matters"?
True . Little interest now
@@profile_01 have you read this book that you have mentioned??
@@profile_01 send me a copy of the book first I will read it then will discuss.
Can you explain your eye opening experience??
A lot of the book was interesting and mind expanding, to a 21 year old back in 1975 but it was the practice of "remember yourself", found in this book, that makes it the most valuable single book I have ever read.
I still practice, 47 years later.
'mindfulness practice' today... Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was asked about this... he preferred 'spontaneous right action' which occurs after regular experience of the Source of Pure Consciousness... Being
@@chevrelait "Buy and sell yet never forget God" - Bible.
“forget the past, for it is gone from your domain! forget the future, for it is beyond your reach! control the present! Live supremely well now! This is the way of the wise...” - Paramahansa Yogananda
"Be Here Now" - Ram Dass
"Be in the now" - Ekhart Tolle
"Remember yourself" - Gurjieff
Over and again we find the same exercise, given throughout the Ages. This is not a secret doctrine! However, I think it must be found in youth, while the mind is pliable.
At 16 Maharshi asked himself, "Who am I?" For him, that was all it took. lol
“Here and now!” - the mynah birds on Huxley’s Island.
Why pursue something for 47 years. Why not try another path. Old age the final enemy of the seeker
Ouspenski was a popularizer of Gurdjieff and his work, but was not himself Gurdjieffian. Thus their split.
He never understood Gurdjieff's use of the unexpected to produce conscious shocks in his students. He failed to fully attain man #4.
We are here to transform our caterpillar psyche into a Butterfly Soul, by integrating our Heart, Mind and Will.
When the Heart aspires, the Mind inquires and the Will conspires (combines).
The insight that inspires also empowers.
Self-observation = neutral observation of negative reactive self or patterns or I's.
Self-remembering = being aware of being aware.
Objective Consciousness = Awake = being aware of being aware - of the all-inclusive, interrelated omnipresence of the Absolute unity of Creative Intelligence underlying and permeating all relative diversity, the All in One in All.
Since to seek Wisdom is the wisest thing that one can do, Wisdom is the principle thing. Therefore, get Wisdom and with all thy getting, get Understanding.
As the eye is a lamp unto the body, so is perspective to the Mind. Therefore, if your (third) eye (perspective)of Life be single (all-inclusive, interrelated), then your whole Being will be full of Life, and the Light of Wisdom and Understanding.
Reality = That which is/That I am.
Knowledge = What is known of Reality.
Understanding = knowing how to apply what is known well enough to learn and grow.
Wisdom = Competence in application of Understanding.
To one that has shall more be given.....
Who I am (social self), changes with time, place and circumstance. What I am (essential self), changes with embodiment. Only That I am (core self), remains eternally constant, and is that from which who and what I am arise and that to which they return.
Existentially, our only real choice is between unconscious compulsive reaction and conscious creative response.
Namaste'.
Very good summarization of Gurdjieff's work
Thank you for the reply well thought out
Beautifully written
This is the way.
These concepts are illusions. Thought has no access to what is real. It can't even describe a simple sound or smell, yet it effortlessly conjures up a "Heart" or a "Mind"? There is no way to that which has no beginning.
That was amazing, I never knew about this film. I studied the works of Gurdjeiff when I was a boy and read avidly the works of PD Ouspensky. These teachings of course led to self discipline self discovery and went on to find other greater thinkers and teachers. What amazing thinkers, in some way we all found the miraculous just in the act of searching for it.
Thank you
Who is a greater thinker then Ouspensky?
Thinking is overrated.
This is amazing to see! Goodness, it slipped by the radar all these years. Love it. Ouspensky's genius is so open, in an age of the brittle modern eruptions at their worst ever. 😎
To quote Ouspensky himself in fragments or in such miraculous, Mr Gurdjieff said very clearly: "there are no geniuses, there are only sleeping machines
. The word "genius" is a much overused word, which cannot be used of a particular person but only in reference to whatever influenced him.
As a general rule contemporary men seem to use genius to indicate little more than "a-jolly-clever-chap, and-much-more-clever-than me. That is not what genius means.
@@vhawk1951kl But real geniuses EXISTED ! Best Example -> GOETHE !
I very appreciate for helping to expand such a treasury of esoteric knowledge. Thank you so much.
Beautiful cinema and Gurdjieff's information given in 'that time' is so far ahead on issues that are now highly actual in all ways! Thank you!
50 years ago, I would have bent over backwards to see this. I finally see G. for what it is.
What do you mean?
@@bernhardnizynski4403 it was difficult to find this program. 🙂
What do you mean
Hello,
The narration is interrupted between 5:08- 6:38.
Can it be recovered and reposted?
Thank You!
Why not read the book for yourself?
The comments to this video are as interesting as the work itself.
From Ram Dass, to Yogananda, Castaneda, all the way to Tolle' , I read them all but it was I.S.O.T.M. that positively changed my life.
Thats exactly why I read the comments - to communicate with "my" mates Aren´t we all sooooo t h i r s t y for that - after almost 100 years of stupid passive TV-consuming ?
Now *there* is a stick with two ends
The quality of irony is not strained;
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes.
This was a lovely video, thank you!
Wow! so many statements that are absolutely where we are now....particularly the final one. Now we take it to the next level; nothing is static. Consciousness evolves. Thank you for posting this.
*Whose" consciousness*, *Of_What* unrolls(evolve means unroll)?
The first book of his that I read was " A New Model of The Universe" . I was young and cooking BBQ at a BBQ restaurant and one of my Managers reccomended it to me. It really blew me Away... What an Excellent Book. I wonder where I could get another copy of it?!
Amazon
Snuff the candle
Frankincense
Take off
The flowing gown
Close the book
Don't start the prayer
Let the telling cards face down
Here
Is where you are
Now
Is when you can
Cut the fast
And sacrifice
Leave the crucifix alone
Stop the dance
And wailing chant
Put down
The mystic stone
All that you behold
Is magic in disguise
Miracles
Are everywhere
In every - thing
And in your eyes
Having studied Gurdjieff when I was younger, I can say his ideas still have a profound affect on me.
The film Gurdjieff in Armenia covers his teaching and contains his original movements from the 1920's and music:
www.youtube.com/watch/TvaVl3Cv-lo
@@aidiniantz436 link doesn't work
🤝 🙏 you BET my friend !
Insights are first earned and then learned.
Yes ! And then - after MORBIO INFERIORE (see Herrmann Hesse) or "the long night of the dark soul" . . . comes your individual cosmic vcocation. . . and THEN you can reall EARN . . . . some money
Many people are unaware of the deep influence that G.G. had on Kate Bush during her upbringing. But if you consider her achievements in music , dance movement, and philosophy towards life and the world it becomes revealing.
Lyrics in her very first album hint at this.
had no idea
She was exposed to G's Teachings through her brother.
HA ! As if I knew it already ! That´s the reason why I always loved Kate VERY much !!!
Kate Bush: "the man with the child in his eyes."
What a GREAT mystic revelation !!
The reason there is little interest is most people have no idea they are asleep, just doing a few of the exercises where one has be self observant one quickly sees how mechanical we truly are.
Rather obviously nobody knows or can know that they*Are*asleep, only that they *have_been* asleep. There being several millions or possibly billions of beings on this planet and I am interested to learn that you have canvassed more than fifty percent or*most* of them. Did it take you very long to canvass several millions of beings? I only know that I *have_been* dreaming on thus asleep but obviously cannot know that I*am* dreaming or sleep, because if I did, I would not be dreaming or sleep or as dear old Karl Gustav put it " in-a-fog". Anyone claiming to know that he*Is* asleep or dismembered/dreaming(anything that goes on in the explaining mind), can only possibly be either lying or dreaming, or more likely dreaming *About* dreaming; the dreaded and inescapable *About*.
Semingly Giorgivanitch said than a man has two possibilities-not more; Eat or be eaten.
🤝 🙏 see exactly the devastating "C-19-Corona-effect" ! -> A true master game of abusing sleepy sheeple . . .
Never ending river...2024...it is still within my reach...keep it reaching humanity...deep meditation..and wonderful exercise...ritual body...great task ahead..edge of rivers reach..knowledge..and sincerity..path widens our recollections...peace given...education of students lives on...brothers and sisters.....selflessness arrows... shot ahead..
Between the ' drama ' is some wonderful archival film.✌️.
The first ting that struck me about Gurdjieff is how observant he was so he could see ahead as a visionairy for what's to come as i often say connecting the dots only then you could see behind the veil of perception the higher truth to give your live a meaning in an ever changing world full of hardship and deceit isn't for the ill hearted.
The second thing is of cause the position he was in to do these things are coming from a source how did he earn his money isn't exactly clear so i guess he was cunning to the core.
I was cleaning exercising meditating kundalini all day and was in perfect mood for this when I finally sat down around 9pm and I definitely am impacted
of Kundalini Giorgivanitch said this:
" "In so-called 'occult' literature you have probably met with the expression
'Kundalini,' 'the fire of Kundalini,' or the 'serpent of Kundalini.' This expression is
often used to designate some kind of strange force which is present in man and which
can be awakened. But none of the known theories gives the right explanation of the
force of Kundalini. Sometimes it is connected with sex, with sex energy, that is with
the idea of the possibility of using sex energy for other purposes. This latter is entirely
wrong because Kundalini can be in anything. And above all, Kundalini is not
anything desirable or useful for man's development. It is very curious how these
occultists have got hold of the word from somewhere but have completely altered its
meaning and from a very dangerous and terrible thing have made something to be
hoped for and to be awaited as some blessing.
"In reality Kundalini is the power of imagination, the power of fantasy, which takes the place of a real function. When a man dreams instead of acting, when his dreams
take the place of reality, when a man imagines himself to be an eagle, a lion, or a
magician, it is the force of Kundalini acting in him. Kundalini can act in all centres
and with its help all the centres can be satisfied with the imaginary instead of the real.
A sheep which considers itself a lion or a magician lives under the power of
Kundalini.
"Kundalini is a force put into men in order to keep them in their present state. If
men could really see their true position and could understand all the horror of it, they
would be unable to remain where they are even for one second. They would begin to
seek a way out and they would quickly find it, because there is a way out; but men
fail to see it simply because they are hypnotized. *Kundalini is the force that keeps
them in a hypnotic state. *'To awaken' for man means to be 'dehypnotized.' In this lies
the chief difficulty and in this also lies the guarantee of its possibility, for there is no
organic reason for sleep and man can awaken"
There is more than enough to keep me dreaming and as asleep without any kundalini monkey business to ad to it.
@@vhawk1951kl thank you for posting this. i can feel this to be true in myself and it is that feeling of this influence that makes me wish to change.
There is an ancient saying based on puppetry:" The string that makes the victim turn and look up at the moon is the same string that raises the knife arm of the assassin. "
In so-called 'occult' literature you have probably met with the expression
'Kundalini,' 'the fire of Kundalini,' or the 'serpent of Kundalini.' This expression is
often used to designate some kind of strange force which is present in man and which
can be awakened. But none of the known theories gives the right explanation of the
force of Kundalini. Sometimes it is connected with sex, with sex energy, that is with
the idea of the possibility of using sex energy for other purposes. This latter is entirely
wrong because Kundalini can be in anything. And above all, Kundalini is not
anything desirable or useful for man's development. It is very curious how these
occultists have got hold of the word from somewhere but have completely altered its
meaning and from a very dangerous and terrible thing have made something to be
hoped for and to be awaited as some blessing.
"In reality Kundalini is the power of imagination, the power of fantasy, which takes
the place of a real function. When a man dreams instead of acting, when his dreams
take the place of reality, when a man imagines himself to be an eagle, a lion, or a
magician, it is the force of Kundalini acting in him. Kundalini can act in all centers
and with its help all the centers can be satisfied with the imaginary instead of the real.
A sheep which considers itself a lion or a magician lives under the power of
Kundalini.
This takes me years ago......
The quality of our dreams is both a reflection of our thoughts and actions as well as a general foreshadowing of the fate of our souls in the next life...A nightly, temporary karma that beckons us to change - for the good - so as to avoid a more permanent karma...
Beauty(🌷)+Complexity(🌎)
=Intent(❤️)
The Figure 8 Analogy:
An analogy on life, death, the dream-state and the symbolism intertwined within the human experience.
We human beings are not traveling in the abstract motion of a straight line towards death (for instance, the numerical straight line of say 1-89). Instead, we are moving in the motion of a figure 8. The Figure 8 is a natural repeating pattern that is divided into two halves and is thus the perfect symbol to represent the human life cycle and our two primary states of existence that we are continuously moving in and out of -the Awake State and the Dream-State.
When we awake from sleep we come full circle to when we fall back asleep (represented by the bottom half of the figure 8 )and when we go into the dream state we come full circle to when we awake from the dream state (represented by the top half of the figure 8 ). Upon death; the figure 8 of life untwines, but it’s not the body untwining from the mind that this analogy represents. It's two states of mind untwining to form a larger state of mind. (8-0)
Because the awake state is really a state -of mind, with our body's physical reality "consciously" intertwined; and the dream-state is also a state of mind, with our body's physical reality "subconsciously" intertwined. Therefore; upon death, these two states of mind untwine to form a “larger” state of mind. A state that has all the potentialities of the dream world (flying, telepathy, psychokinesis, etc) combined with all the actualities of the awake world(nature, form, bonds, etc). This I refer to as the transitional analogy.
While conceiving The Figure 8 Analogy, I realized life and death must be perceived -from one point of view- as seperate entities(the transitional analogy(8-0), but must also be perceived -from another point of view- as inseparable entities(the symbolic analogy👇), both of which are ultimately linked by the dream-state.
The symbolic analogy consists of the untwined figure 8 of life/the 'circle of death’, if you will, which -abstractly- overlapps the ‘circle of life’/the Earth, with the overlappment representing the dream-state, like the common area in a venn diagram, and implies that the dream state is just as much a part of life as is of death ~by which semi-explains precognitive dreams, prodromal dreams, "visitations" by deceased relatives, etc; for the dream-state has a foothold in the afterlife, and is based on the premise that “while our body sleeps, our dream state symbolically represents the state that awaits upon our body's ultimate rest.”
In other words, while we are lying down and sleeping/dreaming, this natural process symbolizes where we go when we're ultimately lying down/dead -to a place "like" our dream-state...A state "of mind” with our body's physical form+bonds eternally engrained and intertwined.
✋🏿👁~8~👁🤚🏻
This is completely fascinating. What a great analogy. Thank you
“ remember yourself” had a great book about the work. Studying while the bombs dropped on England WW2
Why does it go silent around 5:06 ?
ahhhh to you.....to you.......it was silent.....
Excelent ,,thank you
I have been strongly influenced by Ouspenky's book "The Tertium Organum", an exploration of the 4th Dimension.
You know Mr. Robert de ROPPs books ?
Guys, i am enjoying the comments written by you all, as per osho, gurdjieff was a tantrik( there is no exact translation for this word in english). For those who want to criticize G, there is a quote for saints in India. The quote is “one who knows himself has no rules”
Thank You for this. I Subscribed.
Fantastic I wish there was more of this film. Bravo really inspirational 🏴❤️⭐🙏🏻
It is no more than the book wrapped in pretty packaging; the pictures add nothing to the words.
🙌 👏 🙏 🤝 👍
‘In search of the miraculous’ is by far the best ‘overall’ book that I have read in the quest of ‘seeking truths’.
It sets out the framework in which one can gain the further understanding which is a precondition to truly appreciate the work of Gurdjieff.
I do not think that Ouspensky deeply understood some of the valuable quotations that he gave from the Gurdjieff meetings.
Gurdjieff said that he ‘buried the dog’ in his books, so as to make the reader really work hard to gain sufficient understanding. However, some of Gurdjieff’s ‘secrets’ were laid bare by Ouspensky in the book ‘in search of the of the miraculous’.
As I say, I do not think that Ouspensky was aware of the importance of some of the information he set out in this book; otherwise, he would have buried it.
I thank Ouspensky for writing the book.
I think "Dog" meant the Cynics, also the "Pack" of the Tarot especially the Fool card.
@@martinwilliams9866
There is a direct relationship between the celestial and the behaviour/actions of the thin film of organic life around the Earth.
This relationship is the secret (or the ‘dog’) and ones ability to prove this relationship elevates the possibility of truly awakening.
Without such proof, one is simply mechanically following what they have read without truly understanding why. Repeating parrot fashion words of wisdom is not wisdom.
Knowing this secret also allows the future to be an open book; and the apparent chaotic events on Earth are shown to follow the most perfect order and can be timed to the second decades/centuries ahead
Помилуј Господе душу Милана Петерса и упокој га на месту мирном и тихом у светлости лица Твога.
In Search of the Miraculous talks about the 4 ways of discovering your Self. He said fakirs, yogis, and monks were the most common ways but the 4th way, the way of the Sly Man was through ingesting substances.
I believe that psychedelics were what he was referring to.
*No_where* in Fragments does G say that the way of the Sly Man was through ingesting substances.
No dear Rebecaa ! There is evidence that all these wise teachers wanted everybody to know, that ANY "s h o r t c u t s" - like drugs - can utterly RUIN EVERYTHING - including your body and soul !
-> See Robert S. de Ropps famous books (highly recommended by Mr. Al Thomas)
@@vhawk1951kl 🤝 🙏 TRUE !
Audio cuts off at 5:05.
There is no hidden knowledge - it is all an open secret 🕉️
Thank you. I am thinking, within and without are many miracles, why go in search of the miraculous?
@@thenowchurch6419 Because "Seek and Ye shall find".......You must be interested and be willing to sacrifice something!
@@xanbex8324 You misunderstand.
Seek and ye shall find means seek from the Spirit within not by traveling the world seeking gurus.
@@thenowchurch6419 It can mean both those things!
@@martinwilliams9866 True, but in this Kali Yuga it is safer to inquire within.
Of course we may be lead astray...but we are at Mercy of God....it's just as well because if we never know our insignificance then we may arrogently assume ourselves as alien divides against a wider dynamic and what created us....and lose out on our higher nature
Nice Job, Србија !
Things are much simpler than we perceive, the inner struggle is just a symptom of our insecurities created by unnecessary, complicated, confusing systems, created by people who can't help themselves, and despite the fascination they cause all these experiences are one big meaninglessness , this remains just a good bedtime story, don't go deep into these empty life nonsense, don't look for meaning in empty phraseology, "everything happens quite differently" as Pushkin said...
This is amazing
Welcome in your BRANDNEW KINGDOM/REICH !
thank you
Prijatno iznenađenje. Dubravko kao Uspenski.
Knowledge of the Miraculous is not secret nor ever was. It still exists in Japan. It is called Zen Buddhism
There is nothing to teach, nothing to learn, nothing to forget. The content of the entire world can never truly reflect who you are, but I is the reflection of what you sense, experience and perceive. Yet one cannot be what is observed. Therefore, what sees even the act of perception is an illusion. Go inside yourself. The miracle is in there but it cannot be found as an object.
Gosh you know everything Brian, teach us and lead us out of iye darknes oh all-wise all-knowing one
Gosh you know eveything Brian, teach us and lead us out of our darkness oh all-wise, all-knowing one. Just as soon as we stop giggling.
No Audio from approx.5:05 - 6:27. Just a heads up.
unfortunately that is youtube blocking out some 'copyright' music.
@@aseculardharma aha! Thnx for the reply. : )
I think a film with Oscar Isaac as Mr. Gurdjieff, with the right script, would be marvelous.
Sounds cuts out a little after 5 minute mark.
Congratulations! Only the enlightened can hear that!
@@martinrea8548
Often we wonder and in machinations of idoloization....as a form of security....and placement of ego but not always in a perminant state otherwise we become fixated or obsessed
05:05 to 06:28 no sound.
Film mainly shows trains, with some innuendoes interspersed. I'd like more substance & perhaps another film attempting to explain Ouspensky's diagrams. Music is nice.
Indeed! This to this day is not understood
Great job! Did you put this doc together?
Why does the,audio cut out twice?
Its a weird Poltergeist ! I think grand ol´Gurdjieff does the trick from above
This may be a banal question but how did this guy ouspenski fund himself?He talks about the masses being machines/slaves and he’s right but he clearly had the advantage of an income did he not?
Rich followers, while Gurdjieff struggled to maintain his institute in function. He lived in an apartment .....I was thinking about that 2 days ago...I read Gurdjieff was discriminated while staying in a hotel with his followers. Still racism instill in planetary bodies prevail.
Ouspensky was accelerated philosopher and publisher of books long before he met gurdjieff. Gurdjieff too was very wealthy ..owned several factories ..he was a real inventor...lost millions during the war...also financed lots of russians and saved them from literal starvation.
Wonderfull movie and beautiful music....what was it actually?
Pacts depend on the individual and there are many examples of this chronicled in various scriptures values with prophets
some of the passages being narrated I don't recall reading in my copy of the book... I think I may have purchased an edited copy... where can I find an authentic copy?
Sound?
Very beautiful
What have you learned from this?
Thank you. 🥀
Bsr 🌧️🌱⛈️🌳🌈🌹🙏 🌹
Why is no sound at the beginning what is going on
Krishnamurti who visited him and warned against him saw the dangers inherent in too much conscious self-knowledge and the dangers inherent in becoming and egotistical self seeking.
YES David ! You have to discover your VOCATION (in best case for humanitys interests) ! See the utterly struggle of Hermann Hesse with C G Jung before ABRAXAS pulling out of the egg shell. . . (Hesse called that quickly MORBIO INFERIORE)
So, what have we learned of the miraculous in the last 100 years? Please leave a comment.
"We" being you and which identifiable interlocutor? You are at least half of we so you tell save that you have no experience of the last hundred years.
Jung's synchronicity is part of it...
"About what we can say NOTHING - we have 2 b SILENT !" (Wittgenstein)
Various experiments and "conditions"
could anybody, please, add the credits (films do not fall from trees or YB skies, they are made by so called 'directors").- Thank you
All credits are on the screen during the first minute and a half
@@adaptogenic Thank you!
"People have neither consciousness nor, worse still, curiosity... But the time will come when you will understand."
Let's hope so. Again. 🌈🦉
. . worse: they have only curiosity for the most stupid items . . .
Gurdjieff and Ouspensky were seekers but the problem they faced was simple they did not have one foot in the sub-conches and one foot in the egoic mind set. So, the SEARCH OF THE MIRACULOUS was elusive. Presence and Intuition lead to experiential insights but the metaphysical logos they hole to contact within remained an ideal.
They both were good people who strived for knowledge and subjectively they did good in the world by handing down their insights via teaching and writing.
But sadly, they missed some simple basics pertaining to the structure they both were seeking to understand.
The miraculous is viewed from the logic logos of the sub-conches inhabited. The egoic mind set is of the adult mind is difficult to transcend momentarily in order to reinhabit the sub conches viewing point. The egoic mind set is set fast and opposes voluntarily yielding its viewpoint stance.
If Gurdjieff and Ouspensky had authentic ability to make the Law of three with and produce intuition of a spiritual order. Presence filtering via their own sub-conches would have mirrored awaking's instantaneously within their students. Such is the nature of human receptivity.
Heart has its own electromagnetic field and the seeker IN SEARCH OF THE MIRACULOUS knows when the Heart is active because experiencing the active heart's participation in the higher state is part of what make it a miraculous experience.
The sub-conchs' higher emotion, higher mind, the heart and body are all active ingrediencies.
The difficulty is the overcoming the fear of how powerful the logos-fractal nature of the miraculous state is. It's so powerful we all chose the lesser easer to control state being the egoic state.
I think as a collective humanity will reach this epoch, but it will take time to. Nature works in steps sequentially. AI may be one of technologies that helps us towards bridging the gap. Because when we inhabit our sub-conches, it is as if mind has Ai assistant ability. It is as it the seventh part of the making of the law of seven within is AI like in its assist ability to the authentic I am.
Hope that was helpful.
32 minutes in. Profound, and I remembered that I have Two frozen King Size Twix candy bars in the freezer...
Music too loud, cannot hear the narrator.
is this really Gurdjeff or just an actor ????
Do we see actors or the true Ouspenski & Gurdjieff?
good question. i don;t know. but i think not.
I find that we as humans make pacts between us and God...when we're conscience of self and exorsing free will it's in the realm of what isn't emergency ...such as penitence hanging off a cliff and how much better we will be to save our lives
He mentions this system would contradict the schools of Egypt, but Gurdjieffs teachings come from the school of magicians in Egypt, right?
No, his system was syncretic, made up of philosophy, especially Neo-Platonicism, Cynics, Stoicism, Pythagoras, Plato, Aristotle, German Idealism, French Occult revival, especially Antoine Fabre d'Olivet, Levi, Papus, Hermetism, Kabbalah, Theosophy, the Tarot, a little bit of Sufism & Islamic Philosophy, Christian Theosophy, Mesmerism & Hypnotism, Spiritualism & Psychical research, Vajrayana Buddhism & possibly Kashmir Saivism.
What are the pieces of music on this documentary? What are their names?
i'm sorry, i really don't know.
They might be Gurdjijeff's own musical pieces or of his disciple - the pianist Hartmann.
Yes, fragments of Thomas de Hartmann's piano pieces are heard here and there. But Liadov's "The Enchanted Lake" is heard at first and throughout. Delius' "Summer Evening" is also featured. Incidentally, Liadov was to have been the composer of The Firebird for Diaghilev, but his slowness exasperated Diaghilev, who then engaged Igor Stravinsky. The rest is history.
Read this and some of his other works and some of Gurdjeiffs also. It was all fun and games with a lot of merit until the really weird shit started showing up like the moon being food for the earth etc. if I remember correctly. Just another step along the way.
Other way around. Moon eating soul essence of organic matter here. Moon being the predominant force in mechanicalness of organic life on earth. I just read this today in Ouspenskys Fourth Way. Yes it is a bit difficult.
@@wesleysullivan8047 I don't care which way it is, it is still batshit crazy. Some of the philosophy is very insightful, but once it got to that point I had to put it down.
@@j.dragon651 I understand your point of view.
@@wesleysullivan8047 I have been here 70 years. So far as I can tell, no one has clue.
@@j.dragon651 I agree. That's why it doesn't seem so outrageous to me what he says.
People seek spiritual experiences rarely the truth...
Spiritual experiences are Truth.
@@edwardshafer1729 no, they are not- experiences come and go, the truth is eternal. However, seeking the truth is also a spiritual experience when the truth is misunderstood as being a thing, hidden somewhere in the world of information and concepts that has a label on it that says 'this is the truth'. The truth needs no seeking, it is always available to anyone- all we need to do is to identify and remove the false acquire throughout a lifetime exercised habit of relying on hearsay information from others, which we've been accustomed to take for the truth.
Indeed: Spiritual experiences are states. What is important are stations, states come and go and can be misleading
Spiritual experiences lead to Truth ...when not misused for spiritual pleasure ...but when used for furtherance and advancement of your spiritual growth, journey..
@@d1427 Wordy.
Seeking the miraculous is one thing, what these guys wrote is another. G.I. was constantly experimenting. P.D. was an intellectual, a scientist. When you can just be the thing they both talk about, rather than study...why. I am more cautious.
Any zen or vedanta teachings cut to the chase quicker without all the vague mysticism
Beside some famous authors / painters and musicians I only know about 2 TRUE geniuses of the 20th century:
TESLA a n d OSHO !!! Both absolutely underrated - yet their immensely power to come over humanity pretty soon. Osho has been called "spiritual dynamite" and Tesla "electric dynamite"
Why does the sound cut out at around 5 minutes? What was said? Did it need to be un-said? Lol
youtube 'copyright' censorship. :/
Who did the footage? wuts this from?
i wish i knew. i found it tucked away in an obscure part of the interwebs. it would be interesting to get more background information on the making of this film, and the footage.
A film directed 1998 by Zivko Nicolic (Yugoslav film director) based on the 1949 book by P.D.Ouspensky. Thoughtfully telescopes Ouspensky's book and glimpses of the teaching he received from Gurdjieff, interspersed with archival footage the Russia Revolution.
Film's director Zivko Nikolic - Wiki - 1941-2001. The film is his last one.
It's readings from "In Search of the Miraculous" by P.D. Ouspensky.
Why does the sound cut out at 5:07 ?
Weird... even captions deleted... 🤔
Its a weird Poltergeist ! I think grand ol´Gurdjieff does the trick from above
@AL_THOMAS_777 that's a fair impression 🤣
Thanx
Where is this footage from?
Where’s the sound?
Is this really Gurdjieff and Ouspensky or are they actors? I know it probably sounds like a silly question as it's a documentary.
actors
Very good. But poor 🔉(JBP. MP. Bharat)
I can't find anything that special about his work. There is a lot of hand waving but very little actual substance? Can anyone tell me one great thing about his work please?
For me, the substance was in the unsaid, in the atmosphere and context of that time and place.
@@aseculardharma Not likely to be of any help to someone looking for personal development ways and means though is it? He may well have had something special, but my assessment is that he was unable to pass it on.
@@rossboucher3413 The dialogical process is limited, and yet it is the primary method of communication, particularly in the world we live in today. Words, in and of themselves, have little substance or meaning, and still, they are always pointing to something or someone where words imagine meaning abides. We talk too much, dance too little, and misunderstand ourselves and each other almost all the time. Is there a Fifth Way, one that could scale and restore the balance and resolve the mounting global tension each of us is experiencing today? Yes, and no. Most likely no. These threads, though fun are mainly the passing of time.
@@nexstory More intellectual bull sheet of no use to you or anyone. It just confirms totally what I said earlier. That if Gurdjieff did genuinely have something, it was not naturally contagious and he could not pass it on. It died with him.
@@rossboucher3413 Agreed. Question, what lives within you and what useful vision/solution would you like to experience and see manifest in your world.?
When Gurjdief Met Sayyidina ABdullah Al Faiz Dagestani Qs all his queries doubts questions were answered with respect to ennagream and nine points
What is the ennagream?
@@mohammedjaneesh5220 ennagream is a geometric pattern of nine points
@@Osmangilani1 are you a gurudjeffian? Or a sufi? I have lot of doubt's in my mind...
What a lot of nonsense: Alternative facts created by fanatics
@@mohammedjaneesh5220 sufi
What’s up with the speech cut out in the video?????
youtube had a copyright claim for a section where classical music was played in the background. of course, this is complete nonsense, as the copyright for this piece of music expired perhaps a 100 years ago. as we do not have the resources or time to fight this, we were forced to mute this section.
@@aseculardharmaif it is only b/c of music, why is the caption and transcript missing? Please pin the text missing.
8:19
The Buddha said that there were no secret teachings.
Buddha had no clue . . . (at that time !)
Shouldn't this guy be at the front?
I have fully understood the teachings of Gurdjieff and I have found the miraculous. There is no need to go to Tibet.
No-one could possibly*fully*understood the teach of Gorgivanitch, known as the ideas a tiny fraction or only fragments of which can be found in the book known as Fragments because he *Was or lived his teaching and not even those who were with him for long periods over long periods would dare to claim or even contemplate claiming to have fully understood his ideas and no more can you who never met him.
If you really want to deepen or expand whatever amount of understanding you may have of the ideas, which could not possibly be*Complete*, you must at the very least read Beelzebub the required minimum of three times and I hazard that you will discover that you cannot read it once. H e called Beelzebub "All and Everything and it may well be that it is, so forget the idea that you understand anything of his teaching which you could not possibly unless you had been in his presence. Moreover the Work or his ideas in practice is an oral tradition which simply cannot be found in any books other than Beelzebub's tales to his grandson or all and everything which is a wonder and a miracle in itself and wonderfully funny.
But the divine spark is inginuity
ingenuity *
Time travel is not common property. Kiom Supante; Darth Pagueis are modern
legends of mistaken usurpators who don´t watch the rearview mirror.
That's so deep.
If you wanted to actually learn anything about "The Way" you are completely wasting your time here. Endless references to his talks, no substance whatsoever. None.
A mere fruitless nudge
The book is better than the movie.
6/28 good one