JP34 | The Way of the Sly One: Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, & Jung; with Ken James

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  • Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024

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  • @chrisem79
    @chrisem79 Год назад +2

    As an old woman this felt like 'The Song Of My Childhood'. Thank You. It's been a long while

  • @robertcanuti750
    @robertcanuti750 2 года назад +6

    The separation of the self into being and essence, the existence of multiple, often entirely irreconcilable "i's" separated by psychic buffers, a proper introduction of the Law of Seven and the Law of Three, the concept of "hydrogens", and an earlier and more centrally themed emphasis on the inability of man to be present and to do should probably be discussed in greater detail before introducing the food diagram and the idea of man as a three centered factory. Thank you sincerely for your thoughtful attention and presentation of these materials.

  • @MrJamesdryable
    @MrJamesdryable 11 месяцев назад +5

    11:54 Talk begins.

  • @ARENACHICKSTV
    @ARENACHICKSTV Год назад +7

    Rudolf Steiner predictions of Arhiman coming thru technology in the 21st century is looking to be wildly accurate

  • @nasrinvahidi5515
    @nasrinvahidi5515 Год назад +3

    Excellent
    Thank you
    You’re a godsend
    It would have taken me much longer to get the contents as clearly as you explained.

    • @joelwalter4973
      @joelwalter4973 Год назад

      He y think you to follow the right line of possibles

  • @topherming6565
    @topherming6565 3 года назад +21

    Socrates is speaking:
    "I am amused, I said, at your fear of the world, which makes you guard against the appearance of insisting upon useless studies [geometry in particular and mathematics in general]; and I quite admit the difficulty of convincing men that in every soul there is an organ which is purified and illumined by these studies, when by other pursuits lost and dimmed; and this eye of the soul is more precious far than ten thousand bodily ones, for this alone beholds the vision of truth." (Plato's Republic, Book VII.)

    • @levlevin182
      @levlevin182 Год назад

      Useless in one sense alone but rather useful in all the senses of a monkey's organ grinder. Plato, in old age developed a sense of humor.

    • @jacqquelinetackaberry5450
      @jacqquelinetackaberry5450 Год назад

      It is ABSOLUTELY EVIL 👿
      I grew up with this SICKNESS 🤑
      I am nearly 60 years old now and I am DISGUSTED that this SICKNESS has returned because it TOTALLY DESTROYED MY FAMILY in Santa , California!!!!!
      By the looks of Santa Monica BLVD of late you SICK A** people have AGAIN successfully destroyed MANY MORE GENERATIONS 🫤🥵
      NARCISSISTIC SICK F******^ 🥵

    • @jusmeetsingh1907
      @jusmeetsingh1907 Год назад +1

      👌👍🙏🙏❤
      The unawakened soul exists as a seed inside all of us. And it passes on in unrealized form from one birth of ours to another birth. Until we decide to start processing it and work on it. Luck Chance and Hazard. And then the growing plant of the soul passes on to another birth and continues its evolution in the next birth. Till the soul is completely realized.

  • @evisceratemtg6141
    @evisceratemtg6141 Год назад +3

    Sounds like a western rebranding of the 4 types of yoga. Karma yoga, Bhakti yoga, Jnana yoga, and Raja yoga, but whatever connects ❤️

    • @dianal.clausen8118
      @dianal.clausen8118 Год назад

      Yes, that's what I was feeling/thinking, too. I'm a Bhakti yogini; chose my teacher in 1968.

    • @jusmeetsingh1907
      @jusmeetsingh1907 Год назад

      Conventional wisdom used to be that 1 sly cunning Armenian is more sly and cunning than 7 Jews combined. And that is saying a lot.
      Armenians could make dead businesses come alive. So rebranding and reordering ancient knowledge is like child's play for them.

  • @martinwilliams9866
    @martinwilliams9866 2 года назад +7

    Plato wrote about the three storied harmonious beehive the top level was rational, the middle spirit & the lower appetite. Papus in his "An Elementary Treatise on Practical Magic" wrote about the 3 factories of the human machine, the intellectual, the emotional & the instinctive. The Sepher Yezirah relates the 3 Hebrew mother letters with the head, chest & abdomen, as did Robert Fludd in for example his "Threefold Man".
    "All & Everything" isn't B.T.T.H.G. it's all three texts by Gurdjieff.
    You've gone from certainty of enlightenment to possibility.

  • @drorweiss25
    @drorweiss25 2 года назад +2

    Very good lecture!!!

  • @DowntoEarthThinkingcom
    @DowntoEarthThinkingcom Год назад +2

    Nice,
    Gurdjiueff, Ouspensky and Jung, all brilliant men ! Observers of humanity for sure as well as teachers.
    Wonderful talk as you touched on many matters !

    • @joelwalter4973
      @joelwalter4973 Год назад

      This IS Walter I denied your sugest
      Than Books arre ENough to Understand G not AT all
      Of course Books are fine
      But it s juste a opening
      Hou HAD to WORK on
      what you CALl( (yourself) )
      Jfw

  • @suz4keeps
    @suz4keeps 10 месяцев назад

    Thanks for this. Three foods et al 56:00 engaging

  • @kuppusamyr950
    @kuppusamyr950 2 года назад +1

    There is a small but important book on g s work it is simply called work by Kathleen spaeth I think we had a small group here in salem prof.palanisamy myself and a few others this was some 30 years ago once I was blessed with a darshan by g thank you sir it was a wonderful lecture i thank you again for adding Jung also both were great secular spiritual teachers of the whole of humanity.r
    Kuppusamy

    • @jusmeetsingh1907
      @jusmeetsingh1907 Год назад

      Conventional wisdom used to be that 1 sly cunning Armenian is more sly and cunning than 7 Jews combined. And that is saying a lot.
      Armenians could make dead businesses come alive. So rebranding and reordering ancient knowledge is like child's play for them.

  • @Sal-Body-and-Soul-Integration
    @Sal-Body-and-Soul-Integration Год назад +3

    Time to move on guys ! instead of regurgitating someone else's food that you haven't even processed, focus on your own experiences. at 18 minutes you conflate emotions with feelings.
    You are so lost in the concept of the three centres that you miss the wood for the trees. Yes, awareness, of the body, emotions and mind and how we are all enslaved is important, and yet, liberation is impossible for the ego, for once a machine always a machine.
    The most we can hope for from the ego is to process unresolved emotions that we may limit the number of satellite personalities that take over in our system.
    However, reaching the place of surrender to that, that is greater than our egos may only be achieved in our hearts, where feelings reside.
    Gurdjieff belated the need for a new language because we are in the tower of Babel. Understand that feelings are NOT emotions. for emotions are of the 2nd chakra. where as feelings belong to the 4th -the heart. Understand that and you are on your way.

    • @DowntoEarthThinkingcom
      @DowntoEarthThinkingcom Год назад

      Yes it is a journey, not just a lesson or a speech of concepts. It is alll about living it. not just talking about it. Looking inside for all the answers is not the easy way !

  • @ghahandi
    @ghahandi Год назад +4

    The Gurdjieff work is a practical method for self-awakening in our modern age. I've read the comments regarding the man Gurdjieff, pro and con. One comment was that Gurdjieff was a conman. Not true. His basic premise is that humanity is for the most part, asleep. They are. The Gurdjieff work IS work. It is work on a myriad of physical, spiritual and psychological levels. It is not a quick and easy practice affording guaranteed results.
    I believe it to be a true and ancient practice of immense value which may lead to levels of awakening, perhaps even full awakening. Gurdjieff did not enrich himself at the expense of his students. Every student began at different levels of preparation. Many Gurdjieffians will invest years and decades into the work, then leave. To each his own.
    I believe there is a propensity for some work adherents to become dependent on the "work community", yet their personal progress becomes stunted hence they become part of the background environment. You reap what you sow. Knowing one's wish and developing your magnetic center in alignment with the work should your aim. Work consciously and suffer with intention.
    Anyone curious about Gurdjieff has the opportunity to comb RUclips and other sources for video/audio recordings regarding the teaching and the different work apparatus. Many students begin with P.D. Ouspenky's "In Search of the Miraculous" "Fragments of a Lost Teaching"
    I would recommend listening to Jacob Needleman who began the work under John Pentland (One of Gurdjieff's students.) Needleman explains the work with carefully selected wording. There is a presence about Dr. Needleman which conveys that he is not merely 'talking through his hat'. He is talking with precision from direct knowledge. and decades of work. I recommend listening to this particular interview over and over. I recommend closing your eyes and just listening to the sound and intention of Jacob's voice. I personally skip over the interviewer's somewhat long-winded commentaries. Dr. Needleman's effort in this dialogue comes through and aptly conveys his knowledge with clarity.
    A work-oriented RUclips channel I highly recommend is www.youtube.com/@Torontohypnotherapistt , "The Toronto Hypnotherapist". The videos are presented by Allan Clews. The videos cover a large number of guided meditations and exercises as taught by Gurdjieff and fourth way schools. I begin every morning with "The Morning Sitting". Good thoughts, good words, good deeds~ Peace to all.

  • @DendriticFractals
    @DendriticFractals 4 месяца назад

    Is this whole class avaliable?
    Super fundamentally informative

  • @sp00g37
    @sp00g37 6 месяцев назад

    Is remembering yourself akin to feeling in your body? Like when you sense your hands and work the whole way through

  • @MrZeth760
    @MrZeth760 2 года назад +1

    When motioning towards the fourth way and talking about the categories of the 3 centres..are you talking about the Cultural norms ,parameters of Money..Sex..and Status, that most of the cultural world lives by...
    Noting that the 4th way is the clarity of Attitude..Perception and Prescence of mind that the 4th way is encouraging the human to ascend to...

    • @gratefulkm
      @gratefulkm Год назад

      er no !
      Its about brain anatomy Thalamus, Amygdala , cortex

  • @Chairemy
    @Chairemy Год назад

    Here is our reminder we’ve gone to far and it’s time to turn to back

  • @joelwalter4973
    @joelwalter4973 Год назад +2

    1:18:11 1:18:12

  • @petarjovicic3311
    @petarjovicic3311 Год назад +1

    How you defined the exo-reality as influences of either luck/chance/hazard is practically very useful and i would very much like to use a further explanation of this manifestation of the law-of-three. Please respond, if you can, where can i find more about it,

    • @vhawk1951kl
      @vhawk1951kl 11 месяцев назад

      without, or cutting out all the verbiage, what do you*Want*?
      Bear in mind that those that understand*never* explain, while those that do not understand *Can't_help* explaining
      Dearold Giorgivanic was a a cunning old sod, and encapsulated the essence of his ides or teaching in a book which is almost impossible to read once or for even five minutes, let alone three times, thereby weeding out the chattering dilettantes and - astonishingly by-passing the ordinary mind or dreaming machine, and if you fall at that fence so much the better for you will have saved yourself a good deal of trouble , but it all depends on your aim or what you*want* and whether or not Giorgivanic can feed that dog or scratch that itch you will only discover by trying to scale mount All-and-Everything, or Beelzebub's tales to his grandson, which is not for amateurs or their dreaming machine or mind or whatever knows-*all*-about- that.
      Not only does man not live by bread alone, he does not live by head*-or only one of his functions alone.
      The ideas or not for everyone. Some types simply cannot cope with them or are not suited for them, but do please bear in mind that if at first you don't succeed, skydiving is*Not* for you. It is just another bloody formulation but the ideas or the way of questioning will not provide anyone with answers-or the corpses of questions but just*might* help some to ask more intelligent(whatever that means) or more vivifying questions- there is some thing lifeles about knowing *all* about that, and I will never understand anything with only one of my functions.
      What do you actually*Want*- or what do you suppose yourself to lack?-Bearing in mind that answers are only the corpses of questions.

  • @sonjaraela6156
    @sonjaraela6156 Год назад

    Eating the I is written by William Patrick Patterson

  • @haigergreaver3158
    @haigergreaver3158 2 года назад

    Thank you

  • @waldek32
    @waldek32 Год назад

    Greetings from Yogi

  • @andromadaus
    @andromadaus Год назад

    Is there a(n) universally accepted generic definition of conscientious and from where it originates?

  • @jusmeetsingh1907
    @jusmeetsingh1907 Год назад +1

    The unawakened soul exists as a seed inside all of us. And it passes on in unrealized form from one birth of ours to another birth. Until we decide to start processing it and work on it. Luck Chance and Hazard. And then the growing plant of the soul passes on to another birth and continues its evolution in the next birth. Till the soul is completely realized.

  • @ghahandi
    @ghahandi Год назад

    Very good overview by Ken James. Well presented. I am curious about Jung.s "The Red Book". I intend to get a copy one day soon.

  • @becauseicareawholelot2122
    @becauseicareawholelot2122 Год назад

    Currently working on a unification between 6 original individuals, all within the same period, all teaching something presented a unique system through methods of a revelatory nature that all both have variaus concepts that at core are very similar end goals, with other aspects furthering that of the other, each individual involved in different backgrounds, different works, lifestyles, few being aware of the other, yet all point to me something so profound I can only state that through my research I saw the hint of the Birth of a new Age in mankind, that will be quite different to that we are generally accustom to so far as reaility would be considered. Think of it as an Evolution of "God" which by-proxy implies our own evolution becoming all the more ready, especially those with qualities already within said nature, including those that are anamolies so to speak, those on the fringe, not nailed to conventions of current though they are well aware of them, Individuals of higher abilities, such as having a far higher I.Q. or even possessing that not currently measurable.

  • @jacqquelinetackaberry5450
    @jacqquelinetackaberry5450 Год назад +1

    These people DESTROYED my family in the early 70’s and that is EXACTLY what they intend to do🥵

    • @theramblergambler
      @theramblergambler Год назад

      Please explain?

    • @Midoghandour
      @Midoghandour Год назад

      In what sense ?

    • @jusmeetsingh1907
      @jusmeetsingh1907 Год назад

      Conventional wisdom used to be that 1 sly cunning Armenian is more sly and cunning than 7 Jews combined. And that is saying a lot.
      Armenians could make dead businesses come alive. So rebranding and reordering ancient knowledge is like child's play for them.

  • @ocofficial5481
    @ocofficial5481 9 месяцев назад

    Better know how to use the body. 2nd shock 🤫loose yourself and acceptance of the unknown

  • @Midoghandour
    @Midoghandour Год назад +1

    Did ever Jung or Gurdjieff mention one another, or hear of each other work??

    • @kennethjames5373
      @kennethjames5373 Год назад +2

      I have not yet found any evidence of this, nor any mention of Gurdjieff or Ouspensky in Jung’s writings. One of the followers of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky, Dr. Maurice Nicoll, did work with Jung for a time, and Nicole’s book “Dream Psychology” is considered an excellent presentation of Jung’s psychology.

    • @AE0N777
      @AE0N777 6 месяцев назад +1

      Jung did know about gurdjieff and unfortunately he stated something along the lines of “pursuits which entail no promises are of no interest to me, proof is of upmost necessity and gurdjieff can not provide that.”

  • @keithstump1712
    @keithstump1712 Год назад +9

    The guitar music is very annoying.

  • @joelwalter4973
    @joelwalter4973 Год назад +1

    1:17:10

    • @joelwalter4973
      @joelwalter4973 Год назад

      I meet j lord pentland
      It s serious
      Think you

  • @CDLuminous
    @CDLuminous Год назад

    Are there more parts to this lecture?

    • @JungInstituteChicago
      @JungInstituteChicago  Год назад

      Hi Catherine, the full series is available here: jungchicago.org/blog/product/james-sly-one-613-mp3/

  • @from-Texas
    @from-Texas 9 месяцев назад

    guitar!!!@ 😢

  • @vhawk1951kl
    @vhawk1951kl 11 месяцев назад

    Not sly " one" the but the sly man, as if the motto of the quintessential sly man Odysseus were : "There are more ways of skinning a cat than drowning the bastard".

  • @jessemclinden9789
    @jessemclinden9789 2 года назад

    I didn’t right it….what’s it worth…?

  • @EasyVonDutch-Legacy
    @EasyVonDutch-Legacy Год назад

    류영기 유영기

  • @jusmeetsingh1907
    @jusmeetsingh1907 Год назад

    Conventional wisdom used to be that 1 sly cunning Armenian is more sly and cunning than 7 Jews combined. And that is saying a lot.
    Armenians could make dead businesses come alive. So rebranding and reordering ancient knowledge is like child's play for them.

  • @joelwalter4973
    @joelwalter4973 Год назад

    😅

  • @smentina
    @smentina Год назад

    Gurjieff was Armenian, this is quite another thing.

  • @erickane7093
    @erickane7093 8 месяцев назад

    Very poor descriptions of the 3 ways of the yogi, etc, even totally way off.

  • @joelwalter4973
    @joelwalter4973 Год назад

    Ok you rely on those opening
    Books but the real
    Work is very very hard to realise😅😮 inrelation to
    Scientifics studiies such
    D.king nobody by himself
    AlONE can not do anything
    But TRY. absolutly

    • @DowntoEarthThinkingcom
      @DowntoEarthThinkingcom Год назад +1

      This is in fact all about being honest with yourself in your self examination and understanding. Something most people today cannot do because they are too far gone with materialism and egoism havng been propagandized their entire lives to this insane system of having things as objects of posession. .

  • @auggiemarsh8682
    @auggiemarsh8682 Год назад

    Yep. Music is a total distraction. Unbelievable you didn’t even listen to it to hear the distraction before uploading. Wow!

  • @thevisceralhag
    @thevisceralhag 2 года назад +2

    Curious about nature being or not being invested in humans consciousness.. Doesn't Gaia need our collective awareness in the sense that we have horribly taken advantage of her🌎❤.. She needs us to do better... Wake Up!!! Not be machines!!! Perhaps I'm overthinking it🤔???

    • @bodyawarecoach
      @bodyawarecoach 2 года назад +1

      Gaia is a human concept. To our understanding of her, we need to wake up to acknowledge how we are hurting her for our survival. Ultimately, just like the mass extinction from the asteroid that destroyed the dinosaurs, the earth will continue to exist and regenerate long after we have contributed to our raping of Gaia.

    • @ARENACHICKSTV
      @ARENACHICKSTV Год назад

      I feel we can only be in control of our own consciousness. That’s a full time job in itself

    • @DowntoEarthThinkingcom
      @DowntoEarthThinkingcom Год назад

      Gaia is just another euphamsm created by new agers and there is no such thing as new age anytiing, it is all just a realization of ancient knowledge and experiences. When we get too far away from this knowledge society fails miserably and we are now there. It fails becausue anything goes with too many people who are weaklings and that sets a very low bar for all of us ! Without real leadeship we are lost and fail as we are now. Gurdjieff was a true realist and did not live in any form of lala land. He woulh cut to the bone if necessary

  • @Sal-Body-and-Soul-Integration
    @Sal-Body-and-Soul-Integration Год назад +1

    at 32.55 am I born with a soul or can I acquire one? The ego is always after survival to delay death. Both statements are inaccurate. You, an ego are not born with a soul, on the contrary a soul integrates with the body for experience, from four months in the womb. We can not acquire a soul as an ego, however, to the degree that we integrate with our heart so we also make room for our soul fragments to experience life within a human body.

    • @DowntoEarthThinkingcom
      @DowntoEarthThinkingcom Год назад

      many good points about the soul. Few people even realize they ar creating their own soul daily by their actions. That is why USA is in such an incredible mess today for a lack of real leadership and honesty on the inside. We are exactly what we think and live out daily.

    • @razony
      @razony Год назад

      Thats crazy! What are you saying?

  • @shadowenighthawke2023
    @shadowenighthawke2023 Год назад

    Enso.Forever1952

  • @joelwalter4973
    @joelwalter4973 Год назад

    1:23:57