I think the appropriate way to address Justin Fields’s good games is “he is playing well, but he is not fixing the things that he’s always been bad at.”
not to pick hairs, but as a ravens fan, that colts game in 2021 has gotta be the best passing game lamar has had. (37/43, 442 passing yds, 4TD, 0int, comeback overtime win) it was nuts
I definitely understand not watching the Broncos game this week. As a Broncos fan though I can say that although the fan base is a little split, the Russ benching is generally being accepted as the right move. He's supposed to be the guy that brought this team to a SB. Now we're taking victory laps because his numbers look OK. Just can't justify the contract imo and there's no question that his inability to use the middle of the field and play on time absolutely pissed SP off. Stidham didn't look amazing, but his numbers were almost identical to Russ from the first Chargers game a couple weeks ago. That's significant when you consider the price difference. Now I'm looking forward to the draft. I think there's a couple prospects Sean would be interested in where the Broncos will be selecting.
Thank you for pointing out that the refs stole the win from Dallas before that 2pt conversion attempt ever happened. I’m a fan of neither team, but the entire internet of experts seems to be trying to make a clownish “rigged against the Lions” narrative. Hell, at the moment the snap happened on that 2pt conversion: - no flag: “rigged for detroit” because the refs lied to Dallas about who’s eligible - flag: “rigged for dallas” because detroit assumed they’d communicated successfully despite the loudspeaker confirmation of #70 eligible The ref that reported to the defense didn’t cheat for either team, only guaranteed that there was No valid outcome to the play. Both the Lions and the refs could’ve had better communication protocols to assure successful communication in high-risk moments like this one where people like Dan Campbell are gambling entire games on extremely complex trickery …and I imagine we’ll see both sides of that develop systems of being more thorough j. the future. Countless groups of people have methods for confirming communication (like waiting for someone to say it back to you), from teachers to parents to the military. Maybe this is the moment where football grows up and adds these ancient and simple error-proofing methods also. For anyone interested, today’s O Line Committee episode on this event is pretty illuminating.
As a Lions fan myself, I wasn't bothered by Dallas winning that game because they deserved it and were the slightly better team over the course of the game which was reflected in the final score. I largely agree with Marcus' take. But the fact that the NFL backed the referees who CLEARLY made a mistake is what really annoyed me. The video they released as a response was even more embarrassing. Calling the trickery "overly complex" is incredibly hypocritical, as football is ALL ABOUT deception nowadays. All of the best offenses rely on play-action and pre-snap motion, and same goes for disguised coverages and delayed blitzes on defense. The fact that the Lions perfectly executed a genius play and got punished for it is absolutely not fair to them. When it came to the 2-point trick play, it was something the Lions had been setting up over the course of the entire season. Dan Skipper is the usual extra OL player who had been brought on as eligible for a few snaps per game most of the season as a blocker. He was a clear decoy to trick Dallas as they could have seen it as a routine extra OL play, and I believe there's a good chance the conversion still would have succeeded if the referee did his job right because of how well the Lions set things up. Of course we'll never know now though.
@@michaelshan22 It’s not a genius play. It’s a fairly common play, all things considered. The complexity I referred to is not the obvious chess game that football is. It’s Communication trickery. The way every team always does it, including the Lions who didn’t invent anything new, is to perform confusing theater for the defense by …having one guy run up and say “I’m not reporting. It’s the other guy”, …and having the guy next to him say “I’m really the guy” …and maybe have a 3rd guy too in order to add more ambiguity. It’s not new and it’s not clever, but it’s deliberately Visually Ambiguous, which means: - the defense can’t tell - the fans (in realtime OR watching from 100 camera angles later can’t tell) - the commentators can’t tell 3 guys approach a ref, 2 declares, the the only person let in on the secret is the defender the red runs up to seconds before the snap. That’s the whole point. It’s a visually complex slight-of-hand, which requires Confirmation of Extremely Clear Communication with the one guy they’re trying to pass the secret to, the ref. So people say “tHeRe’s ViDeO eViDeNcE 68 rEpOrTeD!!!” No. There’s evidence he performed the ambiguous approach of the ref. Nobody knows if he reported. I don’t care if he vaguely made a gesture that might lead the defense to think he was reporting. That’s not in the rules. “There’s evidence Goff reminded him to leave the huddle” Yeah. The fact he needed to be reminded only makes it look More like he was in the secondary/decoy role and wasn’t actually the key guy. The point isn’t who reported. The point is that: - the ref knows what he thought he heard - the players are Claiming they said something else (the alternative being telling Dan Campbell and the Pride Nation that you screwed up and fcked them) - the players May have walked away believing they’d conveyed something different - nobody confirmed any successful communication had occurred - the refs announced that 70 had declared eligible So, IF the players lied to save their asses then everything happened perfectly on that play… AND IF there was a miscommunication then the play was doomed For Both Sides AND the Refs, …and the only hope for detroit was that the Lions had a guy listening to the loudspeaker for confirmation of who’s eligible so that Goff could know to throw elsewhere (since Campbell had spent all the timeouts so Goff couldn’t bail out on the broken setup) AND IF the refs hadn’t penalized Dallas for Hutchinson trying to cheat, the game would have already been over. So, If the flag Hadn’t been thrown at the end, the entire fanbase and media of the NFL would’ve spent the entire week yelling about how the game was obviously rigged for the Lions (las vegas underdog betting, nfl rags-to-riches / hard knocks darlings / etc) because the refs 1. stole the win from Dallas by penalizing them for Detroit’s cheating attempt 2. stole the win from Dallas by lying about who was elligible That is to say, The whole thing was doomed to look terrible and, setting aside the usual subtle calls that plague Every game, this one really looks like the refs tried to give it to the Lions, but really the refs are just terrible, because the league likes it that way. p.s. I can’t stand Dallas fans, and this year is only making them worse, but I have to call em like I see em. Dallas already had the win sealed when the refs intervened and added the whole segment of the game everyone’s whining about.
There’s no analysis to be made bruh. I live in Indianapolis, I’m from Chicago, a bears fan, and everyone knows what the Colts are. They’re competitive and beat teams they’re supposed to beat. I’m sitting outside the zoo rn and they’re already tailgating out here
1:10:32 the term you were looking for in terms of when you put a players on offense directly behind the O-line in a gap to help out? H-back (the spread offense’s version of a Fullback) I swear it’s almost like there is actually value at some of these dying positions
If you were in charge of my Eagles, what would be your main priorities for this offseason? I definitely think you're correct on investing in linebackers, but what would be the best plan of attack there? I really think the entire back seven needs work, because as you said, our depth is poor. I think we should address cornerback in Round 1
As a lions fan, for both sides the referees were absolutely terrible, and both teams made mistakes in reaction to the refs. Dallas should have milked the clock, and Detroit should have kicked the PAT after the Illegal Touching. The NFL has an officiating problem and it’s very obvious, and they refuse to address it. It’s effecting the games, and it’s bad for the product of football.
Does Caleb Williams want to play for the bears? It sounds like he will just not enter the draft if he does not go to a team he likes. So would you think the bears should stay with justin fields then?
I think the nfl should change the fumble in the endzone rule to be consistent. Either the defense always gets the ball after it goes out of bounds or the offense always does
Refs absolutely eviscerated the Lions with that call. Those players showed so much grit to get down the feild and score just for the refs to take it away. Unbelievable
I hate to tell you but the cowboys got screwed too lol. For one, the refs said 70 was reported eligible which is why the cowboys didn’t cover 68. If they actually did their job and said 68 was eligible Dallas would’ve covered him. And also the refs the drive before called tripping on Dallas when it should’ve been called on Detroit. And that call would’ve ended the game lol
Look man, I pass by the Justin Fields Dunkin Donuts billboards every day here in Chicago. He’s won me over from that alone ☕️ and maybe it’s the old Titans fan in me who grew up watching Vince Young, Jake Locker, and Marcus Mariota fall apart, but no QB is a safe bet. If nothing else, JF1 is the devil we know vs. the devil we don’t.
Justin Fields sucks though. He cannot see the field well, has a lumbering / slow release, and often fumbles. Speed and arm strength doesn't cover that up. There's been no Jalen Hurts type progression this year. It's time to move on. A complete bust at QB isn't even that far of a fall off.
We know you don't like ATL, but damn. Our defense has been solid. Calling us a bad defense is an injustice to what we've done. Also, we got no talking time, which I can't be mad at, but damn. Would like to hear more. But maybe not the way you always diss us 😅
Unfortunately I didn't have a single takeaway from ATL in this football game. Just the nature of us getting to the end of the szn here , a lot of teams were glossed over in this episode.
Before the game started I told my dad this was the worst officiating crew in the NFL and considered not watching it at all because of it. Brad Allen needs to get fired this isn’t his first time ruining the outcome of a game.
I think if eberflus stays then Justin has to stay. Eberflus has been in hot water and usually rookie quarterbacks are not good right away. I know cj stroud and Justin Herbert were good right away but if a rookie struggles and coach flus gets fired then it’s the same situation as John fox with Mitch fire him and in comes Matt Nagy. Then it was Matt Nagy with fields, fire him then coach flus. We can’t go on that cycle again.
the problem is how. how do we force the NFL to do better to stop spoiling good football. its a disgrace and im getting more jaded. plus, its getting so out of hand that its enflaming the rigging conspiracies.
As a Ravens fan it's really cathartic to see people coming around on Lamar. It seems insane how underrated he has been for the amount of accompishments he has had. People were actually saying he should not be paid in the offseason. He was a Heisman winning quarterback, one of only two unanimous MVPs, has had basically no good wr core for his entire career up to this point and he's only the best running quarterback we've ever seen. All the while being younger than Joe Burrow, who gets all the praise for being elite, but is always injured and has only had elite receiving cores in college and the NFL. Also, have a look at DVOA for this Ravens team. Top 2 in both offense and defense. It's a historically great season.
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Always bittersweet when the season gets close to the end. Glad to have spent the weeks watching your show TFG. Best football analyst out there by far
Love the Ceedee Lamb recognition. He's balling out this year
I think the appropriate way to address Justin Fields’s good games is “he is playing well, but he is not fixing the things that he’s always been bad at.”
not to pick hairs, but as a ravens fan, that colts game in 2021 has gotta be the best passing game lamar has had. (37/43, 442 passing yds, 4TD, 0int, comeback overtime win) it was nuts
I definitely understand not watching the Broncos game this week. As a Broncos fan though I can say that although the fan base is a little split, the Russ benching is generally being accepted as the right move. He's supposed to be the guy that brought this team to a SB. Now we're taking victory laps because his numbers look OK. Just can't justify the contract imo and there's no question that his inability to use the middle of the field and play on time absolutely pissed SP off. Stidham didn't look amazing, but his numbers were almost identical to Russ from the first Chargers game a couple weeks ago. That's significant when you consider the price difference. Now I'm looking forward to the draft. I think there's a couple prospects Sean would be interested in where the Broncos will be selecting.
Thank you for pointing out that the refs stole the win from Dallas before that 2pt conversion attempt ever happened.
I’m a fan of neither team, but the entire internet of experts seems to be trying to make a clownish “rigged against the Lions” narrative.
Hell, at the moment the snap happened on that 2pt conversion:
- no flag: “rigged for detroit” because the refs lied to Dallas about who’s eligible
- flag: “rigged for dallas” because detroit assumed they’d communicated successfully despite the loudspeaker confirmation of #70 eligible
The ref that reported to the defense didn’t cheat for either team, only guaranteed that there was No valid outcome to the play.
Both the Lions and the refs could’ve had better communication protocols to assure successful communication in high-risk moments like this one where people like Dan Campbell are gambling entire games on extremely complex trickery
…and I imagine we’ll see
both sides of that develop systems of being more thorough j. the future.
Countless groups of people have methods for confirming communication (like waiting for someone to say it back to you), from teachers to parents to the military.
Maybe this is the moment where football grows up and adds these ancient and simple error-proofing methods also.
For anyone interested, today’s O Line Committee episode on this event is pretty illuminating.
As a Lions fan myself, I wasn't bothered by Dallas winning that game because they deserved it and were the slightly better team over the course of the game which was reflected in the final score. I largely agree with Marcus' take. But the fact that the NFL backed the referees who CLEARLY made a mistake is what really annoyed me. The video they released as a response was even more embarrassing.
Calling the trickery "overly complex" is incredibly hypocritical, as football is ALL ABOUT deception nowadays. All of the best offenses rely on play-action and pre-snap motion, and same goes for disguised coverages and delayed blitzes on defense. The fact that the Lions perfectly executed a genius play and got punished for it is absolutely not fair to them.
When it came to the 2-point trick play, it was something the Lions had been setting up over the course of the entire season. Dan Skipper is the usual extra OL player who had been brought on as eligible for a few snaps per game most of the season as a blocker. He was a clear decoy to trick Dallas as they could have seen it as a routine extra OL play, and I believe there's a good chance the conversion still would have succeeded if the referee did his job right because of how well the Lions set things up. Of course we'll never know now though.
@@michaelshan22 It’s not a genius play. It’s a fairly common play, all things considered.
The complexity I referred to is not the obvious chess game that football is. It’s Communication trickery.
The way every team always does it, including the Lions who didn’t invent anything new, is to perform confusing theater for the defense by
…having one guy run up and say “I’m not reporting. It’s the other guy”,
…and having the guy next to him say “I’m really the guy”
…and maybe have a 3rd guy too in order to add more ambiguity.
It’s not new and it’s not clever, but it’s deliberately Visually Ambiguous, which means:
- the defense can’t tell
- the fans (in realtime OR watching from 100 camera angles later can’t tell)
- the commentators can’t tell
3 guys approach a ref, 2 declares, the the only person let in on the secret is the defender the red runs up to seconds before the snap.
That’s the whole point.
It’s a visually complex slight-of-hand, which requires Confirmation of Extremely Clear Communication with the one guy they’re trying to pass the secret to, the ref.
So people say “tHeRe’s ViDeO eViDeNcE 68 rEpOrTeD!!!”
No. There’s evidence he performed the ambiguous approach of the ref. Nobody knows if he reported. I don’t care if he vaguely made a gesture that might lead the defense to think he was reporting. That’s not in the rules.
“There’s evidence Goff reminded him to leave the huddle”
Yeah. The fact he needed to be reminded only makes it look More like he was in the secondary/decoy role and wasn’t actually the key guy.
The point isn’t who reported.
The point is that:
- the ref knows what he thought he heard
- the players are Claiming they said something else (the alternative being telling Dan Campbell and the Pride Nation that you screwed up and fcked them)
- the players May have walked away believing they’d conveyed something different
- nobody confirmed any successful communication had occurred
- the refs announced that 70 had declared eligible
So,
IF the players lied to save their asses then everything happened perfectly on that play…
AND IF there was a miscommunication then the play was doomed For Both Sides AND the Refs,
…and the only hope for detroit was that the Lions had a guy listening to the loudspeaker for confirmation of who’s eligible so that Goff could know to throw elsewhere (since Campbell had spent all the timeouts so Goff couldn’t bail out on the broken setup)
AND IF the refs hadn’t penalized Dallas for Hutchinson trying to cheat, the game would have already been over.
So,
If the flag Hadn’t been thrown at the end, the entire fanbase and media of the NFL would’ve spent the entire week yelling about how the game was obviously rigged for the Lions (las vegas underdog betting, nfl rags-to-riches / hard knocks darlings / etc) because the refs
1. stole the win from Dallas by penalizing them for Detroit’s cheating attempt
2. stole the win from Dallas by lying about who was elligible
That is to say,
The whole thing was doomed to look terrible and, setting aside the usual subtle calls that plague Every game, this one really looks like the refs tried to give it to the Lions, but really the refs are just terrible, because the league likes it that way.
p.s. I can’t stand Dallas fans, and this year is only making them worse, but I have to call em like I see em. Dallas already had the win sealed when the refs intervened and added the whole segment of the game everyone’s whining about.
Also on the Det-Dal game, I don't really care about missed in favor of Dallas until Micah starts drawing holding penalties again.
Gotta love the Colts portion of these videos always being the shortest part🙃
It's their schedule man 😅. I promise y'alls time is coming but they have given very little to talk about. Thank you for listening.
There’s no analysis to be made bruh. I live in Indianapolis, I’m from Chicago, a bears fan, and everyone knows what the Colts are. They’re competitive and beat teams they’re supposed to beat.
I’m sitting outside the zoo rn and they’re already tailgating out here
Im an eagles fan here to take my medicine for saying this team was going to win out after the dallas loss and go into the playoffs strong.
1:10:32 the term you were looking for in terms of when you put a players on offense directly behind the O-line in a gap to help out?
H-back (the spread offense’s version of a Fullback)
I swear it’s almost like there is actually value at some of these dying positions
Can we please get a 2023 1st round redraft video
Every NFL game should have a dedicated sky judge that has the ability to overrule dogshit calls on the field
Another great episode Marcus
If you were in charge of my Eagles, what would be your main priorities for this offseason? I definitely think you're correct on investing in linebackers, but what would be the best plan of attack there? I really think the entire back seven needs work, because as you said, our depth is poor. I think we should address cornerback in Round 1
As a lions fan, for both sides the referees were absolutely terrible, and both teams made mistakes in reaction to the refs. Dallas should have milked the clock, and Detroit should have kicked the PAT after the Illegal Touching. The NFL has an officiating problem and it’s very obvious, and they refuse to address it. It’s effecting the games, and it’s bad for the product of football.
Does Caleb Williams want to play for the bears? It sounds like he will just not enter the draft if he does not go to a team he likes. So would you think the bears should stay with justin fields then?
I think the nfl should change the fumble in the endzone rule to be consistent. Either the defense always gets the ball after it goes out of bounds or the offense always does
Refs absolutely eviscerated the Lions with that call. Those players showed so much grit to get down the feild and score just for the refs to take it away. Unbelievable
I hate to tell you but the cowboys got screwed too lol. For one, the refs said 70 was reported eligible which is why the cowboys didn’t cover 68. If they actually did their job and said 68 was eligible Dallas would’ve covered him. And also the refs the drive before called tripping on Dallas when it should’ve been called on Detroit. And that call would’ve ended the game lol
did you listen to anything TFG just said? like wtf?
marcus please talk about gervon dexter 🙏 he's been awesome
With the season mostly in the books, has you opinion on the 49ers draft class improved?
Look man, I pass by the Justin Fields Dunkin Donuts billboards every day here in Chicago. He’s won me over from that alone ☕️ and maybe it’s the old Titans fan in me who grew up watching Vince Young, Jake Locker, and Marcus Mariota fall apart, but no QB is a safe bet. If nothing else, JF1 is the devil we know vs. the devil we don’t.
Justin Fields sucks though. He cannot see the field well, has a lumbering / slow release, and often fumbles. Speed and arm strength doesn't cover that up. There's been no Jalen Hurts type progression this year. It's time to move on.
A complete bust at QB isn't even that far of a fall off.
Lol. Just a terrible take.@jeffredfern3744
@@jeffredfern3744 Tua, T-Law, and Lamar all have more fumbles than JF1 this year
We know you don't like ATL, but damn. Our defense has been solid. Calling us a bad defense is an injustice to what we've done. Also, we got no talking time, which I can't be mad at, but damn. Would like to hear more. But maybe not the way you always diss us 😅
Unfortunately I didn't have a single takeaway from ATL in this football game.
Just the nature of us getting to the end of the szn here , a lot of teams were glossed over in this episode.
Miami-Dade Fraudfins
Hey. Atlanta has a mid tier to good defense. We ain’t shit anymore.
We did play like shit tho.
Before the game started I told my dad this was the worst officiating crew in the NFL and considered not watching it at all because of it. Brad Allen needs to get fired this isn’t his first time ruining the outcome of a game.
Ceedee definitely heard you...
I think if eberflus stays then Justin has to stay. Eberflus has been in hot water and usually rookie quarterbacks are not good right away. I know cj stroud and Justin Herbert were good right away but if a rookie struggles and coach flus gets fired then it’s the same situation as John fox with Mitch fire him and in comes Matt Nagy. Then it was Matt Nagy with fields, fire him then coach flus. We can’t go on that cycle again.
I don't even like Caleb Williams, but I'm out on Justin Fields.
the problem is how. how do we force the NFL to do better to stop spoiling good football. its a disgrace and im getting more jaded. plus, its getting so out of hand that its enflaming the rigging conspiracies.
jamal adams got put on IR last week. he is done
As a Ravens fan it's really cathartic to see people coming around on Lamar. It seems insane how underrated he has been for the amount of accompishments he has had. People were actually saying he should not be paid in the offseason. He was a Heisman winning quarterback, one of only two unanimous MVPs, has had basically no good wr core for his entire career up to this point and he's only the best running quarterback we've ever seen. All the while being younger than Joe Burrow, who gets all the praise for being elite, but is always injured and has only had elite receiving cores in college and the NFL.
Also, have a look at DVOA for this Ravens team. Top 2 in both offense and defense. It's a historically great season.
Jordan Love is not going to be better than Justin Herbert and Jalen Hurts just nearly put up 400+ yards of total offense in the Super Bowl.
As a 49ers fan, I’ve actually been right there with you on the Kyler Murray take