The truth about A - Xenoblade Chronicles 3: Future Redeemed
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Huge lore dump containing The truth about A, Na'el & Matthew's backstory, Matthew meeting N and Rex and Shulk explaining the world in Xenoblade Chronicles 3: Future Redeemed DLC
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video contains way, way more than just the truth about A. ( if that's even the truth? lol )
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The truth is Takashi’s work is so drenched in Hegelian style Gnosticism, explaining who or what A REALLY is would require more than a comment on you tube could ever offer.
This series of cutscenes was fucking insane. It starts out with a normal campfire scene, then we have A/Alvis, Rex, and Shulk talking about Ontos and the Trinity Processor and the creation of Origin, then Na’el shows up possessed by Alpha, then goddamn N appears. It’s a bombardment of “holy shit” moments and I love it.
It was about 5am when I got to that and had to hold in my dumbfoundment to avoid waking anyone up
@@eggy7346 I was on a plane during this moment and had to hold it all in to avoid making a fool of myself
@@eggy7346 I was in the toilet taking a massive dump, had to hold it in to not splash it all around the sides.
So Z offering Mio's resurrection in exchange for N(oah) purging his own kin wasn't purely about sadistic pleasure but to turn the Sword of Origin against Alpha which just happened to end up in the City...
It makes Z less monster. especially when you consider that on top of the fact Z is basically just a manifestation of The collective Emotions of dread and desire for everything to remain as it is rather than change
TLDR; They wanted an excuse to turn Alvis into an anime girl.
I'm all for it. Though A/Alpha only got Alivs memories.
@@ChaolaoFueChi Imo A is basically just Alvis but in a female body. Shulk even calls her Alvis at the end of the story(and mentions how she hardly changed from Alvis in his eyes near the start)- she has Alvis's memories, consciousness, emotions, desire to help, etc, I don't feel there's _that_ big of a difference between the two besides female body.
Alpha has just Alvis's memories in comparison, and relies on its programming for everything else.
@Flerken Alpha is basically like a robotic corpse zombie Just following It's commands Nothing else Well A is basically the soul and Personality and mind of Alvis Given form
@@ChaolaoFueChi A *is* Alvis, as in the person who travelled with Shulk.
Alpha is the raw programming of Ontos.
Alvis being non-binary was implied even back in Xenoblade 1. The Monado Files hint at it quite strongly.
Now I get why Pyra and Mythra were not present. Somewhere along the development of Origin, they must have realized the Pneuma core was necessary to properly operate Origin, so they volunteered to return to their core for Origin. From the Bionis side Shulk used Alvis's core crystal for their half of Origin.
I wonder if Pyra and Mythra met Alvis for the first time?
Can't believe that A was Riku the whole time.
Confirmed
Lmao
I'm not entirely sure if this is correct but based off my interpretation, I believe Alvis became Alpha when he reverted to acting like a machine without Logos & Pneuma being present for the Trinity Processor. As for A, I think she is an AI-fragment offshoot of what's left of Alvis that broke off from Alpha-Alvis that became self-aware from the memories of traveling with shulk & became something/someone new. - Anyone else let me know if I'm missing anything or if I'm a bit off
This is all pretty much directly stated to be the case
I just don't understand why Alvis reverted to being a machine all of a sudden, and why that means he wants to create a new world with only the new people. Why wasn't he like that to begin with in XB1?
@@ImmaKidTrunks1 Ontos is the arbiter between the other two cores of the Trinity processor, therefore he only acts to find a compromise between the two. Without them present he has no emotion. The reason he had emotions is because in xenoblade 1 he drew from the regrets of Klaus (likely the architect version from Xenoblade 2) to form his personality, either by default since Klaus started the experiment or due to some authority he had at the low orbit station. With klaus's death at the end of Xenoblade 1 and 2, Alvis persisted off the lingering emotions he had drawn from him, but it had been hundreds, if not thousands, of years since Klaus died, those emotions keeping alvis 'human' ran dry. This caused him to default into a robotic state of amoral essentialism, viewing lives as having more or less inherent worth based on their origin. A small part of him was still able to draw emotions through his memories and bond with shulk, and that formed A after that part escaped during his conflict with N.
@@ImmaKidTrunks1 A later cutscene implies Ghondor’s blast of Ouroboros energy essentially caused A to “resonate”, splitting her and memories of Alvis’s time with Shulk off from Ontos, and reverting what was left into just its base programming.
@@lilchromie More like the two worlds were still connected by the Conduit as Klaus in XC2 said, and after the Conduit disappeared that link must have disappeared too. So since the Conduit disappear after Zanza's defeat too technically it means that whatever happened after with Alvis in XC1 (probably after Shulk found his core crystal as it's stated in game this part meaning that before that Alvis wasn't present at the end of the game until then), probably after activating Origin. How Origin is powered with "exactly" is not stated, but just that it was used Alvis's core crystal to make it, and using Pneuma and Logos's (probably rebuilded or just using some data of it since in game it's never showed) together with Alvis's core shouldn't have caused Alpha to do what he did, so what i supposed is that Alvis's core was just used mostly as a link to find and connect both worlds, and since he was the only one present in the Trinity Processor to power up Origin this happened when Z messed up to create Aionios, thus reawakening "Ontos". Otherwise there would be no explaination for Logos's core/data being in the Sword of the End and Pneuma's (or just Mythra because of Glimmer's core crystal being present) not being inside of Origin
As a fan since Xenogears, i feel so validated right now. My thoughts and questions are finally being nicely tied up in a bow for me, and answered. Amazing🎉
I love that Alvis' core crystal is basically just the Ring of Power from LotR
Precious?
Explain
Spoiler for those who haven't reach this far yet
Alpha looks like Sauron when in the midst of transforming to final form at the final fight, and the portal behind him looks like Eye of Sauron 😅
That is a more accurate take on the character and the power levels of the character.
"If Logos and Pneuma were here now. They would surely say the same thing."
...Uhhhh, Pyra and Mythra, yes. I'm not too sure about Malos.
Malos was only the way he was because he was infected with Amalthus being his driver but deep down he cared for his friends like Jin
As Klaus said, Logos is simply an information processing unit, neither good nor evil. In XC2, he was simply responding to the intense sorrow, cynicism, and nihilism felt by Amalthus and Jin. On the other hand, Pneuma was awakened by Addam, who was pure of intention and maintained an optimistic but cautious outlook on life. Therefore, Mythra was born, but not at full power, because Addam had doubts toward his own capability, which are reflected in the blades he bonds with.
This also explains why Ontos needed an Avatar to become more powerful. In each of these cases, the person/people who bonded with them had a strong imprint on their personalities and their wills. Ontos took advantage of that by bonding with Na'el, who wishes nothing more than to ditch everything that might cause her grief in favor of creating a blank slate where innocent people can continue living. This intense desire gives Ontos a proportional intensity in power.
If you want a simple story then go somewhere else, the Xeno franchise have always been like this and that's one of the things that makes It great, the story makes you think, makes you try to understand and a lot of things are left to imagination because the characters are dealing with god like beings here, It was like that from the start with Xenogears and it's perfect
I appreciate the game respecting its audience, and doesn’t baby us through the story
Except they aren't dealing with "god" level beings. These fools who think themselves "gods" are either barely planetary or are planetary. At best these fools would only scale to the weakest cosmic characters of Marvel, DC, or more pure Anime stuff.
Xenogears fans are screaming in the inside
what makes this like xenogears?
The Alpha and Omega explanation is a reference to the xenogears intro
@@wawztzta8296 the Explanation itself has no conection to the xenogears lore, is just a nod and takahashi messing around with us because we like to shiptost the "i am alpha and omega the beggining and the end"
The whole mess really is just one big family feud huh? It just dragged two worlds down for the ride.
If you think about it, if mio is nia's daughter then isn't Rex also their family?
How old even is Rex and Shulk right now..?
Most of the major players here are related to Rex. Even A if you count in-laws
@@sean.a.s7234 Sort of looks like Nikol and Glimmer maybe possibly ships by Fate itself if the world goes back according to plan.
Nikol: Dad, we're only here because grandma and grandpa brought you as a kid to a dangerous expedition?
Shulk: oof
@@avlenmartix557 i heard they are from the old world and people of the old world does not really "age" per say or are effected by the time within aionios. like how linka and the another remember the old world.
The fact that Alvis embodied the regret of Klaus could actually provide an explanation for the space-time event Klaus mentioned in XC2.
While the half of Klaus that remained in Elysium felt regret, Zanza, embodying his hubris, was oblivious to the consequences of his past actions (and probably to his entire life as Klaus).
Ontos, realizing the dangers of that powerful being, must've decided that the new universe needed some sort of providence - he himself.
It always seemed weird to me how Klaus' choice of words made it seem like Ontos disappeared some time after the experiment but now it all makes sense.
Takahashi you madman.
Just when I thought I couldn't like these characters more than I already do! Damn, thanks for laying it out like that. Makes me want to mull over "the Monado refused to permit the existence of anything but itself".
Starting to see where Garrett's isolationism comes from
Lemme get this shit straight:
Alvis is Alpha
A is Alvis' consciousness
Glimmer has Logos in her chest
Where's Pneuma?
(sorry Ive never played any Xeno game and Im just rushing the DLC lore through videos)
Logos is dead (he became Malos and in turn died). Glimmer's Core Crystal just takes after her mother presumably.
And I think it was more that A is Alvis' conscience/humanity, which was able to separate itself from the Ontos core after it went full pragmatic angry god mode.
@@Ryodraco I see, yeah I remember Malos died in the end of XC2, also, Glimmer is Rex's child but with Pyra right? I wonder where are his other two children. And idk if Nikol is Shulk's kid, they look identical.
@@eduardobustamante4749 Pyra is the mother most likely, since her hair is closest to that of the baby Pyra was holding in the photo seen at the end of 3. Mio from the main game is heavily implied to be Nia's daughter, leaving only Mythra's child unknown. If they weren't reborn in Aionios then their soul was likely simply stored in Origin like most other characters from the previous games.
Regarding Nikol being Shulk's son, they pretty much come out and say it. After talking to Rex about Glimmer, Panacea remarks that Shulk is in the same boat with Nikol. And in another scene its stated Dunban was Shulk's brother in-law as well as his mentor, i.e. hence the features Nikol shares with Fiora.
@@Ryodraco Heck so this is one helluva family mess... to think Klaus's ambition started all this, or perhaps even the Zohar if we go apeshit connecting Xenoblade with Gears/Saga
Spoilers:
Pneuma IS the sheath for the Sword of the End.
The earing A wears is literally the same shape as the zohar in xenogears and saga.
That's referred to as the Trinity Processor in Xenoblade, but it's the same thing. The other 2 parts of the Trinity also bear it.
@@karlthorkildson4650 Technically, the trinity processor isn't the zohar, that's the Conduit.
The Trinity processor is a computer used to control the Conduit, with the three Aegis cores the main components.
When you buy the dlc for pyra and mythra..😢
Sadly this is the last 4th dlc, all dlcsl's that I've noticed in Nintendo so far is only about 4 DLC's, if not more if we're lucky.
The Alvis Shulk mpreg joke I made is somehow only half joke now lmfao
So you're telling me without Pyra and Mythra and malos hes just a psycho But the real question is where the fuck are they She's supposed to be immortal so where is she?
Probably dead as soon as the world probably converged.
He's not technically a psycho. Just an emotionless machine that acts on pure logic without Pneuma and Logos.
They’re in the ocean lol
So Alvis is Alpha/A?! Holy Moly!
Alvis was A + the computer
@@nedrostram2360 ontos = a + alpha
Ontos's memories and feelings being alvis
People asking where Pyra/Mythra and Malos are makes me wonder if people actually paid attention to the cutscenes
The fight against Na'el/Alpha was harder than Z
42:35 PYRA AND MYTHRA!! YES!!!! 😃
So is A the missing Consul/Moebius A or not? I am confused.
It's more like Alpha/Alvis/A is an important part of the Aionios system so that counts as being Moebius, I think.
Yeah I think Alpha was the Moebius A that went against Z.
This truly was a Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Future Redeemed.
So you're telling me without Pyra and Mythra and Malos he's just a psycho but the real question is where the fuck are they She's supposed to be immortal so where is she?
There’s a hint as to where Pyra/Mythra/Pneuma are later on.
@@alenor210 I have already seen where their core crystals are I just wanna know where the hell they are But I doubt I'll ever get my answer A solid one at that
@@alenor210 what’s the hint
@@RampioreRegis yeah, that's kind of the main thing I want to know. I've binged through a lot of the story so far but I'm tired and will probably have to grind through a fair few missions yet to finish the game. Rex stating Pneuma is gone doesn't mean Pyra and Mythra are gone, and of course we know the implication is Rex and family will all get restored once Origin does its job properly (hence Nia's "I'll see you soon" while the camera shows the Xenoblade 2 group).
@@RampioreRegis
Spoilers:
The Pneuma core is inside Matthews blade (fists of the end) and is the source of the power of Ouroboros/Interlinking
It is also implied that the Logos core is inside Ns sword of the end, but that is less clear and not explicitly shown.
N is Matthew's father?
No, N is Matthew's great grandfather
The Noah that became Moebius N is Matthew's Great Grandfather. Vandham is Matthew's Father
Matthew’s parents died and he only had his grandfather. His grandfather is N’s son, the one he left in the forest
I don't know why. I feel like we should be controlling N to fight Alpha after they both landing haha.
Is it possible that now with the ontos and pneuma crystals they can recreate the logos crystal? In XC2 it is stated that each crystal has some saved information of the other two
WHERE ARE MYTHRA AND PYRA?
there are more important things at play don’t worry about them lol
@@bonoshii because we don't know and there's no real confirmation on where they are.
In the ocean
N really went too far😢
The initial is really subtle
Oh i get it Basically they tried to save the world by making a machine that would save them but The collective negative emotions casued complications, complications further Complicated by the consciences within the very core itself. And so all three or the cores sought there own Avatars to fix what they felt was broken though they achieved it differently Logos and pnuema had similar beliefs and so took similar though very different paths. wheres as Ontos as stated in the game believed the whole thing pointless. in the End its a battle between the avatars Whos way will last. The question: The worlds ending what do you do. Logos “Protect the now.” Pnuema “Fight for the future” Ontos “let it end and start again somewhere else” . . . When comparing this to the real world Ontos answer is effectively running away which is the most dangerous depending on the circumstances as your not really solving the problem. Logos is fine to an extent but only prolongs the suffering and continues the cycle. Pnuema Creates genuine hope as though new problems will arise fighting for the future Leads way to change which can solve the problem at hand and bring hope to what comes next. . .
Yo why does she sound like Ranni from Elden Ring?
same voice actor!
@@FazFaz isnt that Mio's VA though?
Did not expect Alvis to just trans her gender like that. But hey, good for them to have some kind of representation.
Roc, Juniper and now Alvis form the non-binary Trinity Processor
4:15 please explain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What’s there to explain?
matthew great grandfather/grandmother?
Mio + Noah = Gondor + Unkown = Unkown + Unkown = Matthew & Nael = countless generation = Gurenica Van + Unkown = Monica Van + unkown = Gondor. The game is one big Family as van diesel would say.
9:05 ontos non binary confirmed
Ontos is a computer, at it's core it's not man or woman but a bunch of 0's and 1's. Binary confirmed
@@DetectiveThursday rex literally says it himself, logos is male, pneuma is female, ontos is "something in-between" which is referred to as non binary
@@raidev_ that was a joke. but also kind of not. Alvis is not human, and therefore the term non binary has no applicable meaning to it. it's like if I said you do not have an automatic or manual transmission and therefore do not fit within the automotive binary. well of course not, you are not a car, the aspects of car-ness do not apply to you.
@@DetectiveThursday Pyra, Mythra and Malos weren't human either, but that didn't stop them from being two women and a man, respectively.
Is the "computer have no gender" argument only valid when it's convenient?
@@meteor9573the xeno games are great admittedly, but Takahashi like the German philosophers he bases his works on, are often inconsistent with reality, and yes, I point that out because the trinity processor is pretty much an embodied Hegelian dialectic. with Logos and Pnuema being the thesis and antithesis of each other and Ontos apparently being the synthesis. sounds great for fiction and gnostic nonsense, but not as applicable to reality.
oh sorry by Rex😂
This is so confusing, even for a Xenoblade fan like myself. Unless you create yourself your own answers, the in-game explination is that A is basically Alvis' conscience, but if she's his conscience then why does she refer to Alvis (Ontos) as if he's a seperate entitiy?
Its the same bs they pulled in Xenoblade 1, with Zanza living and breathing on Prison Island and simultaniously living within Shulk, with the explination being "yeah his conscience is within Shulk, but his body is on Prison Island".
Its stupid.
Alvis is trans,that’s easiest way to explained A rather than her complicated explanation
A is the human, conscious part of Ontos that was friends with Shulk. Alpha is the machine code part of Ontos gone frenzy after Logos and Pneuma disappeared like a code error
It’s not that crazy. Also, A is not trans, they’re somewhere in between male and female so non-binary makes more sense
@@bonoshii I know but they didn’t gives any explanation why their gender changed,he even refuse to answer why he’s now turned to she.
@@bonoshii the only explaination we got is that Onthos between male and female
Or.... A is transalvis AND A's complicated explanation
I think trying to say a/alvis is trans is a category error, like assigning human characteristics to things like cars or computers, or giving male or female designation to creatures like earthworms, in the process of trying to humanize something utterly foreign like a sentient AI, you forget that which makes it utterly NOT human, which is to say, at an ontological level, gender is meaningless to it, and that it's affectation of a gender is purely for the sake of relatability to humans, not an inherent characteristic of it's being.
In my opinion the story is a mess. Adds needlessly convoluted plot points to the narrative mess XC 3 already was. I am afraid I might start losing all my interest in the xenoblade saga.
Yeah. It’s kind of insane that we went from XC1, a game with a really unique and cathartic story/world, to… this weird kingdom hearts mess.
Yep. The team going all the way back to Xenogears have been guilty of fanfic-style writing. It's really quite unfortunate. I love RPGs that are competent enough to keep things less convoluted and have good plot action.
@@SM-ns9ru I think in XC1 the story started to do this in the third act. The first half of the game has excellent pacing and keeps you on edge and then suddenly boom. Cutscene after cutscene of people talking non-stop.
@@trollingisasport 100%. Beginning/middle of the game was so great though.
First time? It's been like this in Xenogears and Xenosaga. This is how it has always been.
47:47
But wait, didn't that whole place blow up a long time ago?
As I understand it Aionios also consists of places made from memories of the older worlds, hence why a number of places in it are places that were long destroyed before the worlds merged.
@@Ryodraco
Good point, although I don’t see any remnants of Metal Harbor anywhere.
@@slimballs9650 anything missing might be attributed to Annihilation Events.
@@Ryodraco
But I don’t think they can erase the many aircraft carriers and the missile launching bay there entirely…