Something really cool is that if you play both base game and frs end credits.scenes at the same time, the worlds merge as soon as noah hears the flutes. 😭
Another thing to mention. Rex, A, and Shulk essentially serve as a new trinity. Rex serves as Pneuma, being a spirited person. A, of course, serves as Ontos. Shulk, being the logical one, fills in the role of Logos. Together, they create a new 'Trinity' within origin. Pretty cool to think about.
@@JBspherefreak yea, it doesn't exist in the sense that it did before, but it does seem like every part of the Trinity is here. (Idk what's really happening with logos since it's implied that the core is in N's sheath despite the fact Rex made him go poof, not sure about that) But it's just a cool thing either way
I love the implication that the City folk could all use the incomplete Ouroboros power if they had just trained but were too lazy because they were relying too heavily on Blade weapons. I mean, Matthew was whooping Moebius ass with that incomplete power.
Regular City people only had Ouroboros blood, they technically hadn't came into contact with either side so no they wouldn't have been able to use the power BUT if they did get the Ouroboros power from the stones instead, then they would have had the Ethereal power
nikol says at the end that by perfecting the ouroboros stone, the people who could use its power would be limited so the rest of the city people would be unable to use any of it as it would go solely to the six active ouroboros
It explains why they constantly lost to Z, even N relied on his blade more than just oroboros power, if he really meant to end it, he found a way to use it
@Bullminator well N was one of the chosen candidates numerous times, Z knows, he tried fighting him once, lost. Then ran from him, died from freezing to death, or maybe survived, kinda iffy about that part, but he eventually broke free temporarily, but his time ran out, he had ample time to learn how to use oroboros, even mio was with him as well, back to back in life times, you can't deny he and the city citizens were lazy in using ouroboros, if they all pitched in, they could sped the process up for ouroboros, my theory is, riku purposely waited for ouroboros research to finish and secretly cloned N by DNA in ghondor bloodline for keves castle and mio for Agnes, he knows the mobius tracks high level of ether, since they control both parties, they don't care how they do it, they want city people dead, no questions ask, they're just giving command and troops may question but blindly follow them, in result is how the new team was met, also riku giving Noah the lucky 7 meant he was setting his plan to motion, after years of research, I say it well paid off
Shulk says it, it isn't a sacrifice. And essentially because the version of Rex and Shulk we play as are not the real ones from Alrest and Bionis. These were the versions inside Origin that were revived to help fight against Mobius. When Origin finishes it's mission, the real Rex and Shulk will come back, but somewhere within them will be the memories of the Aionios versions too. I really hope that the new world created connects us to XCX and then that XCX is remastered for Switch and connected properly to finish the whole Chronicles. Xenosaga would be cool, but since XCX is still unconnected to the rest of the Chronicles while Xenosaga is a complete step outside of the Chronicles, it would make sense to finish Chronicles first before trying the other stuff.
I have a theory that Matthew is the one who made Noah. Specifically in his fights with N and blasting him both ideologically and through Ouroboros power caused his own hope for the future to break off from his nihilistic self.
I actually theorized the same thing. Concepts being given physical form is common in Xenoblade 3. Noah and Mio are N and M's hopes for the future made manifest. For Mio, it wouldn't be that hard for the split to happen since her hopes for the future remained strong the whole time, though N couldn't understand that. N's hopes for the future were nearly completely gone, but meeting Matthew obviously influenced him. I think the real turning point for N was Matthew telling him that he might be the one to break the cycle. N doesn't say anything in response, but you can tell he ponders it for a moment. Though he wouldn't admit it, I think those words rekindled his hope deep down.
I don't think this is the case. People are making the same parallel between both Alpha and A but in that case, A was born immediately whereas Noah wasn't and only appeared to arrive 1,000 years later
Orrrrrr M was working from the shadows all that time and possibly worked with Riku in finding a chosen one. She likely cloned the two and knew the outcome.
My problem with Noah being a split off from N is the question. Is Noah truly an anomaly, or does every moebius have a copy of their pre Mobius form still running in the cycle. Because if Mobius are a conjuration of a person's fear of the fusion. And it's implied everyone has a Mobius inside them. Then why can Noah fight against his own Mobius and noone else. It's biggest question I still have unanswered by the end of future redeemed. I kinda like this theory about Mathew. But I still think it's only a theory.
the three Aegis Cores each have a power. Logos has power over matter, Ontos has power over Time, and Pneuma has power over space. Ontos can Find a point in time to put something, Pneuma can find a point in space to put something, and logos then can use the other two to pin point where the matter need to go. my idea in how Xenoblade 1 world was made.
The Xenoblade 1 world was all Ontos though? It wouldn't make sense for him to not have power over matter since he teleports away. My view is that Ontos is creation, Logos is destruction, and Pneuma is change.
@@jstar3382 Okay but their power actually already in their names.. Logos means "speech" and "reason" so their power is control over "speech" and "reason" that's why he's so loud in the game and can control over law of nature in general because reason is basically law.. Pneuma means "breath" and "spirit" so their power is to control over the soul or the spirit of people that's why interlink activated in the ending of future redeemed.. and Ontos / Ousia means "being" or "essence" so their power is control over "being" or "essence" that's why they are more powerful but very machine like without the other two..
Or it could all mean nothing as Klaus himself said to Malos that his name means nothing but the ego of those who created them lmao. Could also be that he just didn't wanna explain alien concepts to Malos but I personally like to think that.
Where I get the powers is that in game pneuma folds space for Rex move faster and has siren fire a shot in to rhadamanthus through hole in space. Ontos stop time for both World at one time and without him not their time will being agian. Logo is hard to say and he the one who help make the beings and creatures xenoblade 2
Actually, Pneuma would be creation, as in how one of her abilities allows her to create particles of any element. Ontos is both the intermediate of state transition and the counterpiece of order(to the other two's chaos of creation and destruction). The reason that there is significant overlap in what they can do is that they still pull from the same pool of data and power, they just implement it diffrently. e.g. Malos has more Monado Arts than Eater, but it seems to be the strongest because it naturally ties the best into his intended function and powers.
The ending to Future Redeemed was the biggest mind-blow, thought-provoking ending the series has had for me since Xenoblade 2, which I actually played BEFORE XC1. Don't get me wrong, I loved the ending of XC1 and XC3, as well as Torna, but this blows them out of the water in my opinion. There's just so much to unpack here and was a phenomenal ending to the trilogy.
I actually never played Xenoblade 1. So I feel this lol. I have it, just never played it. So now that I’ve finished this I’m going to go back and play the first game
It's worth noting that Bandai Namco is in the credits for special thanks, and that Xenosaga is in the Intellectual Property section of the software in the Home Menu options for the game.
That light in the post credits scene is making quite the firestorm. It's nice to see Xenosaga and Xenoblade X trending as much as they are as a result though. For me personally the light is a tease at Xenoblade X because that's still an unresolved story and X does reference Xenoblade 1 a couple times. I love Xenosaga more personally, but I think it being KOS-MOS returning to earth is a bit more ridiculous than it being either Elma going to Earth or the White Whale crashing into Mira. We probably won't get a definitive answer on what it is though. The radio also mentions names and events from Xenogears, Xenosaga, and Xenoblade X, so I think it's more or less a tease as to what Monolith is doing next than continuity with these games. My guess is we'll be getting announcements for Xenogears and Xenosaga remastered later this year or next year and I think they'll probably be releasing the Definitive Edition of X on it's 10th anniversary in 2025 much like they did for Xenoblade Definitive Edition. This is hopeful thinking though but man the teasing at the end of this DLC was ridiculous.
As I said here I feel X is its own contained story and has no relation to this not to mention the earth literally blew up in X. Like I said here somebody looked through the copyright notices and found xenosaga bandai namco in there. If they somehow managed to cut a deal with bandai it being kosmos makes more sense than Elma personally. But never say never they could pull in X but story wise xenosaga makes a better connection than X. the radio towards the end mentions a xenosaga character and there's no mention of alien attacks. It does mention they were colonising and in X they made spaceships to escape the attack not to colonise.
@@dangermouseuk78 X does have some context that Mira is possibly in another universe or is in it's own pocket dimension. One of the Ganglion, I believe Luxaar, says that when Earth was destroyed they were engulfed in light ant transported to Mira. They are also unable to escape the planet due to some force keeping them there. Then there is the Samarians which are hinted as being a universe hopping civilization and I think X subtly hints at Mira being their original home world. It's a stretch, but the Samarians could be the future civilization from the main Xenoblade universe or even the people from Klaus civilization after they sent out colonization ships in their project Exodus. It's a stretch though and a Definitive Edition or Sequel could explain who and what the Samarians and Mira are. As for Xenosaga matching up with Xenoblade it just doesn't. Just because they mention Dimitri Yuriev doesn't mean it's the same person. Dimitri from Xenosaga wasn't even alive when humanity was still on Earth and was born hundreds of years before the events of Xenosaga not thousands like that would imply. I think everything mentioned in this radio broadcast is Xenoblade's version of these characters and events since the series was made into a multiverse with the revelations from Xenoblade 2. The Light in the post credits scene could be anything. I'm mostly leaning on it being a reference to the White Whale crashing into Mira because there are more connections between X and the main Xenoblade series than Xenosaga and Xenogears, but those are thin to say the least. We'll see what they do with that going forward, but my guess is they'll keep us in the dark about it.
I feel like Xenoblade 3 needs a sort of Perfect Works style lore book because the scope of the world and lore of Aionios is so massive there was never any possible way they could have fit all of it into a game of reasonable length, no matter how much dev time and resources they had.
I didn't get to be part of the Xenoblade Chronicles story for long. But. I played 1-3. And I absolutely love them. It's hard to say goodbye but it's not hard to to feel joy in the story the way it unfolded. I love Xenoblade.
Your analysis on Future Redeemed was great. I really liked how you explained the raw power of Ouroboros. I think the ending is the most interesting part about Future Redeemed. Potential spoilers for xenosaga and warning, extremely long tangent incoming. This is my take on the ending: About the ending, I don’t really know what the light is, but I don’t think it means that xenoblade X is the next game in the timeline. Since X occurs as an effect of the destruction of earth, if the light heading towards the new planet is Elma heading towards Earth to warn Earth about the attack of the Ganglion, then that would be convoluted because that would mean that Earth was completely restored. On the other hand, if it’s the white Whale descending into Mira, then it’s still convoluted because then it means that the planet that they landed on after Earth got destroyed was another version of Earth the whole time. My guess is that when Klaus activated the Conduit, it created a near identical universe to Earth where he never activated the Conduit in the first place, which would then lead to Elma warning Earth about the Ganglion’s attack; in brief, X is essentially another set of events where it shows an alternate result from Klaus’ actions. It should also be considered that the white whale landed 2 years after the destruction of earth, so even if X is happening chronologically in the xenoblade timeline, it’s happening hundreds of years *before* the worlds of Bionis and Alrest even begin to have life, and before the stories of xenoblade 1 and 2 even happened, because it took ages for Alrest’s life to develop. However, that doesn’t mean that it isn’t possible that the light is Elma, it could probably be her heading toward the new planet as the worlds of 1 and 2 might connect to X in a similar sense of how 1 and 2 were happening. However, it could also be KOS MOS, since the scene of the light heading towards the planet is reminiscent of the Xenosaga Episode III ending. The third option is that the light is something new entirely, though I still think it could probably be KOS MOS. However, what I think the ending might hint is that we’re actually getting an actual canon crossover of Xenoblade 1, 2, X, Xenosaga, And Xenoblade 3, since the references to X and Saga in Future Redeemed interestingly align with the non canon challenge battle mode in 2 where a special dialogue with Elma, Shulk, Rex and KOS MOS occurs in the world tree. Regardless, I am extremely excited for xenoblade’s future. Edit: I also think that Shulk and Rex telling Nikol and Glimmer that they’ll meet again is an allegory for how we’ll see them again in the next game, maybe xenoblade 4 is the events after Origin rebooted, and we actually get to see Noah reuniting with Mio shortly after the epilogue scene in the ending of Xenoblade 3, with the characters walking towards the new future in the end, leading to the whole crossover between 1, 2, 3, X, and Saga.
I'm guessing 2 things. Either is Takahashi reimagining Saga's lore/events into Blade's or there's some strong story and timelines lore that we didn't know just yet between Blades, Saga, X. If it that was KOSMOS in FR ending, does that mean that similar events between Saga and Blades are occurring at the same time, but in different timeline and universes? What in the world is Takahashi's cooking? More freaking questions than answers.
Your timeline of X is completely wrong, Tatsu mentions Frontier village in X and theirs even a side mission the shows a fake monado from 1. Not only that, there are collectibles that show the Mechonis and the Bionis called "Primitive Colossus Statue". Another collectable which I don't remember the exact name since I didn't see any connections at the time (Xenoblade Chronicles X was my first game) but it's something along the lines of "The book of life and death" which describes massive Titans roaming around a world map.
If you look at end credits there is special thanks to Bandai Namco. Hopefully monolith is maybe cooking Xenosaga remake or rectonning it into Xenoblade timeline. Takahashi is a legit madman
I think you forgot to mention that the split of N and Noah is mirroring the split of A and Alpha.. Both of Noah and A is the remaining good conscience and hope to new future.. And someone actually found how N and Noah split in this DLC.. It's hidden in plain sight.. Remember how A explain how they are split into two when they are in the city? The Aura grandpa emmit to Ontos in Na'el body is exact the same as Matthew punch N sword of origin and you can actually see it's actually had and effect towards N but suddenly cut to interlink of the party.. That's kinda explain why the hell Matthew suddenly said "Maybe it's even you" to N.. and why Matthew suddenly have lonely expedition.. He is searching for M.. and then he will put them back together in the cycle.. Basically the set up the story in the main game..
Yea...I don't think that works... For sure Ghondor managed to split A from Alpha BUT A was already a key part of Ontos' personality when Noah really wasn't. The Ouroboros effect of splitting them is also different as Ghondor applied it directly to Na'el (Specifically the brain and presumably where Alpha was residing) whereas the Ouroboros power at the end was moreso spreadout AND he already had the power of Ouroboros anyway (Look back at the main game). I also just checked that final scene and there is NO Ouroboros effect in sight. No ethereal soul leaving his body or Iris glowing. Another major difference to keep in mind is that when Alpha was split, A was created immediately whereas your assuming that by pure coincedence, Noah was born 1,000 years later. This doesn't add up
What I understood is that Noah and Mioh are actually kind of the same as Z, while Z is the materialization of humankind fear for the future, Noah and Mio are for the hopes and dreams that Shulk and Rex left to party, I watched the ending scene several, times and its what I got 😂
12:00 This does indeed sound cool. Shulk and Rex did indeed state "we're helping", "We're going to wait at the edge of time". They never stated that we're never going to see them or A ever again, just that Shulk, Rex and A are taking the temporary state as the world's avatar. Fun fact is that all 3 are also opposite forces like the 3 core crystals Antos, Logos and Pneuma were. Where Shulk is from the world of the Bionis and Mechonis, Rex is from Alrest and A is Antos/Alpha/Alvis's conscience created in Aionios (which is a mix between Alrest and the Bionis) so somewhere in between, like Alpha was somewhere in between of Malos and Pneuma. Once the dimensions collide, Origin has the job to restart everyone's recorded souls again on this new plain of existence, everyone including Shulk's, Rex's and A's /"Alvis" 's soul.
@@zqq1021 A is never stated to be either male or Female. Just that A is the conscience of Alvis/Alpha. So it's implied that A is somewhere in between a man and a woman. However her voice, long hair and having her Core crystal as an earring I also agree that A is more on the female side, compared to Alvis/Alpha who is more on the side of being a man compared to A.
I think the only thing I was missing from the credits was a little montage showing us how the characters are doing in the new world. Like yes I know they are happy families with children, and there's the photo at the end of the main game, but I wanted to see more. Otherwise I am really content with how the trilogy ended
This is part of the point of this ending. Future Redeemed is all about building a future with the hope it will be good. Showing how things turned out or how the cast lived their lives defeats this purpose as the best we can do is build a better future for our decedents and hope they will improve it even farther.
The ending was great, love how it took Noah throwing his sword into the ocean from being "Aw symbolism :)" and to "OH SHIT NOAH WAIT". Even if the sheath isnt the same as the fists, I love the joke lol.
I think the shulk/rex sacrifice was more of a fake death. I've considered a lot from 1, 2 and 3, and I'm thinking that when origin was being created, Melia and Niah realized they each had a peice of the trinity processor, ontos and pnuema. They realized they needed the full power of the trinity processor, so they had to reconstruct logos fast using the power of their respective pieces, and when it came time to complete it, logos would need a soul - in order to process the bad information of the world. Shulk stepped up and became that sacrifice, thats why Melia still has the monado REX in the castle, saying thank you... then rex became the soul of pnuema, because he can't have his wives, pyra and Mythra, leave their children. Rex became the sacrifice for alrest so that his world could go on, being protected by pyra, mythra, and led by Nia. We know pneuma can transfer core crystals by the end of 2 when she gives all of the crystal to rex, pyra and mythra's return was klaus's final gift to the gang, but pnuema was still rex. Lastly, after alphas defeat, that leaves a hole in the ontos portion, and A perfectly suits the position as they were a part of ontos to begin with. The shulk and rex we see are just avatars of the main core crystal, so once their job is done, the duo need to return "home", just like glimmer and nikol aren't the true children of rex and shulk, this pair isn't the true rex and shulk, as they already have their place in the trinity processor.
Origin was based on Ontos' architecture of how he takes in data from both Pneuma and Logos, NOT the entire Trinity Processor. Shulk and Rex thus wouldn't need to replace the souls of Logos and Pneuma because they were never a part of it to begin with. If this was also the case, how in the hell did Ghondor and presumably an earlier Vandham get his hands on the Pneuma Core Crystal if its supposed to be in Origin? In fact the entire reason Alpha was created was because Pneuma and Logos no longer existed
Ok but where do you think shulk and Rex came from. Where they just wandering around aionios from the beginning like the queens even though they have regular human lifespans or were they a sort of defence mechanism within aionios with their souls being released once the threat of alpha was detected
@@JBspherefreak I'm adding this comment because it seems most people misunderstand the whole deal with Pneuma's core. Look at the scene again: the core only appears in that moment, it wasn't there all along. And it is transparent, because it's not the actual, physical core, but just a manifestation of Pneuma's power. Consider also that A says that what make Matthew's gauntlets special is that they contain Origin metal, not a core crystal. And Riku explained that Origin metal can contain the souls and memories of the people just like Origin, and that Lucky Seven contains the soul of someone important for Melia. So, just like Lucky Seven contains Fiora's soul (as confirmed by Takahashi himself), the Origin metal in Matthew's gauntlet contains both Mythra's and Pyra's, and that is why Pneuma's power can manifest. Mythra and Pyra themselves, just like Fiora and everyone else, are among the people assimilated by Origin, which was managed by Ontos alone. But since Origin metal works as it does, they manifested in Aionios like that. Ghondor never had the crystal, they only got a piece of Origin metal and made the gauntlets with it. In fact, the main game shows the Ouroboros' Stone contains Origin metal too, and we know the City received the Stone from her and Ghondor studied it. Additionaly, Dillon claims that the gaunltets are the culmination of the research on the Stone.
Crackpot Theory: I think there are two Noahs because Noah was uncertain when he became N. Part of him wanted to End the Eternal Now, while part of him really wants to continue on. N really wants to continue existing so much so Z personally picked him out and made his right hand man. N is part of the reason Z is so powerful. (You who long for the endless now more than anyone) Thus, Noah, N hope for the future has to be the one to win out over N’s despair. Once they merge, Z no longer has the ability to maintain control, since the world is sufficiently ready to move forward.
Whilst this is a nice idea, I believe theres more to it based on M and Nia's perspectives of them finding their "True selves". It's too much of a coincedence otherwise
@@JBspherefreak Maybe when M and N died they returned to the cycle and The ones Z brought back became different versions of them? I don't really know how making Mobius works. But personally I can't call XC3 a master piece until I learn how they were reborn and how Riku lived so long.
@@goatslayer3160 I can't say for certain how Noah and Mio re-entered the cycle. I can explain Riku though. Its the same way Rex, Shulk, Nia, and Melia all lived for so long. It seems anyone who existed prior and continued to exist in Origin do not age, or at least age at an imperceptibly slow rate. They can still be killed. As we can find Riki's grave in the base game and Nia would have almost bit the dust if it weren't for her flesh eater powers. How which people ended up in Z's cycle is also unclear, but given the age range of Agnes/Keves soldiers, perhaps only children were taken into that cycle.
If I may, I would like to make one addition to my Crackpot theory. N made his decision partially under duress. (He still wanted the Eternal Now however) M had absolutely no say in the arrangement. Therefore you could argue that their resistance to Mobius WERE their true selves, hence Nia’s comment. In addition, I think N’s clash with Matthew is also partially responsible for N to split in half. Matthew cause him to feel doubt and in turn unshackled Noah, like N did to Alpha. Still just my crackpot theory.
As much as I love the lore and connections FR made, I’m a little disappointed that the trilogy had to end via PREQUEL DLC. I know this isn’t the end for Xeno, maybe they can resurrect X or shift to a larger open world scale, similar to that of X or even Future Redeemed.
I see a lot of people thinking the ending hints at X or Saga stuff; and while I REALLY want both of those things, I can't bring myself to hope any harder for a remaster/sequel for X lol
13:17 You think Riku in that particular scene also implied he descended from Kino? Which is also kind of why Melia picked him? He did say that his father and Melia were traveling companions once, and I have some doubts that it's Riki, unless Riku too was adopted lmao
I believe it would be Kino yea! Kino really looked up to his father Riki and so it makes sense that he would name his son after him and Riki naming his son Riku is a bit...
@@JBspherefreak On another note, how do you think the Firelight swords were created? My theory is Rex and maybe the others (Like king Eulogimenos because he was a salvager too lol jk) went salvaging for spare Artifice parts, ... And then Tora did it. And that's it lol.
Honestly not too sure but we do know that during the creation of Origin, both Keves & Agnus pooled their knowledge together and I expect Replica Monados to be included in that. I talked about how Aegises and Monados are similar but different in the Alvis video so either they made them during the creation of Origin or when both worlds merge, Shulk or someone else built them for him
@@IcyDragonRB well looking at what tora did for Poppi and their replica monado I wouldn't say it's out of the question. At the end of the day, it's function as a weapon is quite simple to figure out as it runs off the ether around them. The special abilities like foresight and the ability to cut ethereal entities relies mostly on the monado's aegis & wielder. Which shulk managed to giga brain together in FC. If the world's were in communication or even had time "post merge" I don't see why shulk couldn't have passed that either knowledge onto rex or developed it for em. Another thing that caught my eye was the fog beasts returned and Rex is perfectly capable of cutting them down. The only thing against this tho is that all the other party members can also cut down fog beasts. So at the end of the day we can think it was something passed down for the modern blade weapons OR (and most likely) just a gameplay thing
Based on the apparent ages of the characters, I find it more likely that Riki was Riku’s father than Kino. During Future Connected, Kino was still very much a child, and while it’s true that some time has passed between then and the formation of Aionios, I find it hard to believe it would be enough time for Kino to grow to adulthood, then have a child who themselves reaches adulthood. Especially because Rex and Shulk seem to be in their 30s-40s physically, rather than in their 50s-60s
Ok can someone help explain something to me cus i'm still very confused about noah and N's swords. I've been hearing that N's sword in particular is logos, initially i wasnt sold on this idea cus we never saw the core but after watching it a few times i can see where people are coming from. Rex saying "if only THOSE TWO where here" then N's sword glowing purple, perhaps the shards of logos's core remained after malos died, not enough for a full crystal but perhaps enough for origin to integrate (side note, is this maybe why all moebius have a purple glowing core in their base form?). But the question i have is, if N's sword is logos then what does that make noah's sword? The lucky 7 isnt N's sword as riku already had it during the events of future redeemed, and yet lucky 7 still exhibited monado like powers when it transformed. So what does that make it, how are there 2 of them if we now assume logos fits into the equation somehow for both of them? Another quick question too which has been confusing me, is it the sword of the end or the sword of origin, cus the game kept seeming to switch between them All this said though, if we assume logos is somehow the lucky 7 that does mean something very cool. XB1 was all about us using ontos's blades, XB2 was all about us using pneuma's blades, and XB3 was now us using logos. The trinity complete =P
Lucky 7 is implied to be the memory shards of the other major companions of 1 and 2 that we don't see in person and that weren't accounted for via other weapons (Pneuma being accounted for in the form of Matthew's Gauntlets.)
Alpha's goal: Erase the past worlds and start anew with the Citizens. The world at the end of Xenoblade 3: Keep the past worlds, but erase the Citizens. They don't seem that different from each other. Having to sacrifice one group to let the other move into the future.
The way Xenoblade 3 explained things implied that the people of the City are the people of the future of both worlds and that they'll probably be reincarnated in the new world eventually. So once the two worlds became one again it's very possible that they all come back, probably without any memory from their lives in Aionios but that's not exactly a bad thing.
@Barry Black true yeah tbh I think once the world's recombine again that all pairings and children born from aionios will happen again in a similar fashion so that these people get another chance to exist again
I highly recommend playing Xenosaga, especially after the ending of FR. The trilogy will probably take you less time to finish than it takes to complete Xenoblade 3 (including side quests and DLC) and, lore-wise, especially with the radio in FR, it's very possible that, after a few minor retcons, the two series are in the same universe. The Xenosaga games are not without their faults, but the story is amazing. Xenoblade 1 felt like Takahashi and Monolith playing it safe after the less than stellar performance of the Xenosaga trilogy. Xenoblade 3 proved that they have created a winning formula now and defined themselves as JRPG giants on equal footing with SquareEnix, Namco, Atlas, etc. Considering what Monolith did on a shoestring budget with Xenosaga, I'm eager to see what Takahashi and his team do next.
So here is a theory of where Noah came from. 'A' appeared after Mathew's granddad was killed right? We see a quick glimpse of grandad rushing towards Na'el then the power of Ouroboros is seen. This is when Alpha and A split no? Maybe not lol. Let us assume though it was, then with N being so close to that impact, perhaps that is when a portion of himself that still felt a glimpse of remorse and perhaps hope split and thus Noah came to be. Noah then became practically the symbol for hope while N just became even madder with despair.
I know it's totally irrelavant to this video or the story, but I still funny to think about that Glimmer is Matthews Great-Great-Great-Aunt, and that Rex is his Great-Great-Grandfather. Plus that Glimmer and Mio are half-sisters.
Glad you clarified the worlds becoming one again at the end, I couldnt figure out if they became one at the end of the dlc origin story and then split at the end of 3. So I havent played much of xenoblade x yet, but if I'm understanding correctly, most xb fans think xenoblade x was the original world before splitting? and that Alpha was originally from there and the only one with those memories?
I'm not sure what theories people are sharing around but no, thats impossible. I'm making a video shortly on the radio and such so I'll explain it all then
I'm pretty sure Xenoblade X's intro and the flashback scene at the beginning of the final chapter in Xenoblade 2 are 100% incompatible. In X two alien races come to Earth to fight and end up blowing up the planet while some humans barely manage to escape, in Xenoblade 2 we see Klaus doing his thing while different human factions fight a war against each other with no aliens involved and if they were I'm sure we would have seen it.
But why are Rex and Shulk back? Why do they seem to live forever, Riku included. Why did Alvis go rogue suddenly, after so much time. Why are there more swords of the end, why were Noah and Mio always so special even before N and M. XC2 needed a 30 minute cutscene to explain the lore, and there weren't as many loose ends as in XC3. This dlc was the last chance to tie up the story and yet monolith just ditched and left it to us to try and make sense of it.
I just finished the DLC and man was it good my only real complaint is I was really hoping they were going to explain how Noah and N can exist at the same time which is sadly didn't and that's probably going to bother me way more than it should😂
I love the way the ontos core is visualized in the series. In XBC1, the core is more of an ornament because the alvis we see is a contruct (for lack of better word) in the world he created, the real ontos core is sustaining the universe. when he rebuilds the xbc1 universe to sustain itself, much like Klaus' universe without gods, he reverts back to core and has no body. pneuma and logos have their real cores in chest because they later became part of blade system that allowed a body to materialize around the actual core in Alrest. fast forward, ontos core becomes what sustains origin, and origin is freezing two real universes together, hence he can only appear with a body inside origin and is wearing his ornament core. He needs a host (avatar) to exist and carry his real core around in Aionios. A's earring looks like Alvis' ornament core because its not the actual core, as A is a facet of ontos that was granted a body in 'real' world due to ouroboros powers. prior to DLC it confused me why the core has two aesthetic appearances.
Also, in a blink and you miss it shot while Pneuma is using Aion, the hud displays two of three processor cores, implying that Malos still exists in some capacity. After all, the data contained within his core had to go somewhere
@@conorb.1901 yeah just Saw everything and you are right logos core still shows up ,also If pyra and mithra got new bodies for a reason malos could easily too, Not to mention that thematically destroying one of the core crystals and leaving only ontos and pneuma in the series would be weird.
Omg Joanne Hogg sings the new song???!!!!! She sang the songs for Xenosaga too!!!! Omg!!! I’m gonna go cry now. They really did put a lot of Xenosaga stuff into the game.
They literally weren't...there are only 5 Ouroboros spheres that collide and those that do can be seen in the white area as Alpha begins to die + A because she was a part of Alpha. None of the people you mentioned or N formed the Ouroboros Titan
The thing with the 2 Noa and Mio is simple in my opinion. The clash between N and Gondor was strong enough to split alpha. N and M were both in the explosion of gondor oroboros power
No this doesn’t work M was only revived and was present in the City AFTER the clash with Ghondor as depicted by the Cutscene and there’s another important difference… A was INSTANTLY created after the energies clashed whereas Noah and Mio we’re reborn thousands of years later. To be chucked into the Origin cycle, it’s clear that Moebius has to do something to you proven through Shania so again, this isn’t right
I really liked this DLC, but there are still some unexplained plot points that i would have liked to see. And there goes our last chance of seeing Ontos and Logos in their true forms. Speaking of which, everything seems to hint that the Logos core was embedded into N's sword sheath but how that is possibile remains a mystery. Did the queens use the data from Ontos and Pneuma to recreate it? Was it an emulator or replica because in truth Origin needed another trinity processor to function? Also Noah's and Mio's reintroduction as soldiers did not get an explanation. There are some plausible theories for Noah but not Mio, who wasn't present for the entirety of FR. The only thing we know is that Nia knew it would happen, so we know that the data reintroduction must have taken place during FR.
Nietzsche never said anything about the eternal return. He meant, in a very basic sence, that you should live a life that you are proud of and would like to relive again and again and again. The "eternal return" bs was spread by people who had absolutly no idea what they were talking about and then pop culture spread that even further. It is much more in line with some lines of thinking that Nietzsche actually disliked very much and criticized in his works.
While I will agree that JB did get Eternal Recurrence somewhat wrong, you also got it wrong; also Nietzsche addressed Eternal Recurrence quite a bit in his works as an idea, although it wasn't one I recall him ever writing a specific book about. You both did get some things correct regarding Eternal Recurrence; while Nietzsche did address that one should live a life they are genuinely proud of, Eternal Recurrence was also an idea which was more generally about 'why' human history repeats itself, 'why' people follow the same patterns and moreso why. Also, yeah, there's a lot of Eternal Return bs spread by people who have no clue what they're talking about, and pop culture spreads far too much further. I direct my attention at Xenosaga for relevant example.
My big question is why are shulk and Rex there in the first place, where they always around since the start of aionos or did the come in just to stop alpha.
So before the collision, Pneuma and Nia already decided to make the power of the Ouroboros even tho they are oblivious to what's about to happen regarding with the Moebius?? Then my question is that why did they chose Ontos as the core of the Origin and not Pneuma??
Question 1) So it's unclear as to exactly how much time has passed since the events of both games (because the game does an awful job about sharing ANY information about before Future Redeemed) but it's speculated that the ceremony we see at the beginning of Xenoblade 3 is Melia's 100th Birthday. Specifically, the kids use "We're gonna miss the Queen's Anniversary" which is why this is still uncertain as it may be an Anniversary based on how long she has been in power 🤷♂️ Anyways, the major theory is that it has been roughly 10 years since the events of those games as that would line up with Melia's birthday (roughly) AND be 10 years after she became Queen and was appointed like we see at the end of Future Connected. Again tho, this is only a rough estimate because they're could be an additional 10 or 20 years on top of this also (Based on Shulk and Rex's physical age in Future Redeemed) but we don't know the exact amount of time Question 2) The original plan for Origin was to let both worlds Collide and Annihilate one another and then Re-Build both worlds again based on the Data Origin had stored inside however, because Z stopped the worlds from completely colliding, Aionios was created instead. We can speculate however that parts of both worlds were Annihilated and thus many people were killed and "Assimilated" into Origin (Which is what the game says) but there MUST have been a safe spot where the worlds hadn't fully collided yet and assuming that Rex, Shulk, Panacea, Linka and Riku were in this area (Along with Melia and Nia), we can assume that they evaded destruction, mostly through sheer luck. These are my thoughts on the matter at least, simply meaning that the others only remain as the souls within Origin and is the reason they aren't present in Xenoblade 3
I'm glad my videos were able to help you understand the story better! This game is most certainly convoluted at best and thats not even considering all the stuff we haven't figured out yet. At present, I'm personally waiting on a XC3 Artbook like the ones we got for every other Xenoblade Game as that is our only hope of understanding some aspects of this game better 🤦♂️ For instance, even to this day, I am still trying to figure out and pin down EXACTLY how the events of Noah & Mio's rebirth after N & M occured as there hasn't been any viable answer given as of yet
Such a cool ending overall to the Xenoblade saga. I'm glad you touched on the post-credits scene where the two worlds reform into one. Do we know how this happened exactly? I only ask because it was my understanding from the end of the main campaign of XC3 that once Z was defeated that Origin pushed the two worlds back apart again. Did I misunderstand this or was this simply glossed over?
13:40 There are 2 noahs because it was made by origin metal and origin is bound by fate and emotions desires etc Lucky Seven is Noah's (N's) regret becoming mobius deep down and Riku forged a Replica sword made of origin metal (Based on N's) and origin in turn made a Copy of Noah.
So where did Riku get the Origin Metal? Origin hadn't fallen and splintered by this point so he would have needed it on hand. Additionally, why was a Noah created Thousands of years later only? It seems rather specific and strange that N & M would have never noticed a Second Noah or Mio for over a Thousand years. This idea has too many holes in it currently and if the base game is anything to go by, its far more likely that this was something set up by both M and Nia
Because Riku was there before the beginning of time Riku simultaneously Witnessed the Creation of Alrest and the Bionis and Mechonis Riku is the Zohar.
Ok but in all seriousness it's not unreasonable to assume that Riku was involved in the construction of origin and it's also possible that Some metal was leftover after it's compilation and likely Used those leftovers to make other things at least that's what my take is
Thats fair but I personally don't see it. Even if the sword is made of Origin Metal and stores some souls within it, the premise that this could trigger Origin to create a second version of not only him but Mio as well seems far'fetched, especially when it appears that Nia was aware of something
There were some questions that remained unanswered: Was Melia trapped in Origin when Alpha tried to destroy the world? If Mio is Nia’s daugther, then Mattew and N are Rex’s decendants? Also, I’m still very confused with Shulk and Rex departure to “take a breather” and pass on their dreams.
Rex + Nia = Mio Mio + Noah = Ghondor Ghondor + X = X X + Y = Na'el and Matthew. Noah, or N is not related to Rex. Now, Noah/N is Glimmer's brother in law because Mio and Glimmer are half sisters. And regarding Shulk and Rex, they probably knew that once Origin completed its purpose to restore the world, they would be restored with it. Returning to their normal lives.
I do really hope for this not being the end of the saga... I didn't had the opportunity to play the previous xeno saga, and I left Xenoblade X at the beginning.. I would love to see how the new and reunited worlds looks like, I would like to see all the characters all together in their day-to-day journey or even in a brand new adventure, maybe against a new threat or enemy. I feel linked to the Xenoblade saga, I laught and cried. I DON'T WANT THIS TO END😭
Sadly, this is certainly the end of THIS saga but there will be another one. I can't confirm whether we'll get returning characters or not but this story never truly ends
The Star falling if they use it will be connected to X. They don’t own the rights to Xenosaga. It’s why Xenoblade has been a retelling of the planned story from Gears and Saga since Day 1.
That's not entirely true. Xenoblade 1 was not made as a Xeno game. It only got the moniker after Satoru Iwata suggested it as a kind of tribute to Takahashi's previous works.
@@conorb.1901 I never said it was planned to be a Xeno game. I said it was intended to be a retelling of his original intended story from the start. Which it clearly was.
@Mr Bubbles I disagree. If you line it up next to the likes of Xenosaga and Xenogears, and even the other Xenoblade games, Xenoblade 1 very clearly sticks out as being the least Xeno Xeno game. Yes, it does have some of the same themes as the others, but in my opinion it really shows that it wasn't originally intended to be a Xeno game.
I really needed this video because I am deep in the Xenoblade lore rabbit hole despite not really understanding some of the deeper intricacies. I still don’t understand the ending with the planets merging, is that AFTER the events of base XC3?
@@JBspherefreak I actually thought that scene was supposed to represent the worlds merging to CREATE Aionios, meaning that kickstarted the events of the game and Moebius. It’s odd that they made the ending of 3 so emotional and they practically instantly reverse it in a silent 10 second post credits in the DLC lol
Basically what they show in the post credits is to let you know “yes, one day they will become one again” so that way the actions of our heroes across all 3 games was not in vain
Ok I’m not sure if this is right or not but I have an idea, I don’t think the true power of ouraboros can be unlocked by the synchronized energy of pneuma and logos, I think they can be unlocked by the synchronized energy’s of the Xenoblade Chronicles 1 and 2 worlds, aka the lucky seven is Xenoblade 1 world and the penuma core crystal the Xenoblade 2 world, I mean they do say that interlinking takes someone from kevas and Agnus for it to happen
If I may I think I know why there are two Noah’s. And your theory actually gave me a thought:… this might sound a little strange but what if like with alpha. Noah is N’s conscious. It might seem weird to say but here’s why I think that. N and Noah both fight very similarly but their attitudes are a little different even back in the past N was eagered and desperate to fight against Mobieus but when we meet Noah even during his first year he was so hesitant he lied that he couldn’t summon a weapon thinking fighting wasn’t the answer even willing signing up that same year to be wn offseer instead of a frontlines soldier. (I know I don’t have full proof he went their his first year but I’m going off of his size and the egg timer. And yes I know he still had to fight even as an offseer but just bare with me.) not only that but think about how N reacts to Noah every time he sees him. He hates Noah with a passion and having seen him with Mathew and his own son in future redeemed like glimmer said he didn’t have that same hate or joy, just regret. And even though Noah mentions he has that I could tell he had hate in his eyes at Noah the same way Alpha had that look at A *spoiler territory for some who have not gotten this far. You’ve been warned* this would explain why he got some satisfaction out of seeing Noah miserable in Agnus castle. I imagine his consciousness told him not to go through with his choice but his soul cried out to protect Mio and the now and this caused him to keep going and now here Noah was sad and depressed like N was. This is why when M disappeared and he realized he had lost her he broke down. Finally the final confrontation if you look back during the first phase Noah the whole time had nothing but pity for N because he knew of N’s mistake and how it lead him down the wrong path. He tries so hard to tell N to let go of the sadness but N still refuses and just fights. Then right before the second phase N saus this line “Your the one who couldn’t protect her. In the end you were powerless” I thought he meant the events at the castle but what if he meant back then when M had died, his consciousness told him it was ok but he wouldn’t accept it. This would also explain the bright light and the merge between the two. And if that’s the case… if my theory is right then prehaps Mio is M’s consciousness as well and it might be the only way this could happen is through the seeds of regret and hope… but again that’s just my theory about why there are two Noah’s and possibly two Mios.
Possibly but judging by XC3 and how those born from blades don't seem to work like blades, I'd assume not. Myabe they have special powers tied to them but we'll need to wait for future entries
I personally have to disagree about the whole “Ouroboros Power can be only fully manifested when coming into contact with both the Positive and Negative charge” thing because in the ending shot when the liberators are where the current City is found Nikol and Riku are modifying the Ouroboros Stone, stating that if what they’re doing works then, like Glimmer says, “[They’ll] be able to deploy that power whenever [they] like”, “That Power” referring to Interlinking, but Nikol points out that they’ll only be able to empower a few people with it, aka only 6 like we see in the main game. Im more inclined to believe that the Logos Core (or it’s data or a copy created with the data Logos probably shared with Ontos/Pneuma) is in N’s SHEATH, not the Sword, the Swords (both Lucky Seven and N’s sword) are more like “conduits” for Ontos’s power, and it can take in and amplify both Moebius and Ouroboros power (or be empowered by them would be more accurate, look at the Origin Blades Interlinked Noah and N in Origin use, an Ouroboros and Moebius version of basically the same weapon), like how Ontos takes in information and suggestions from Pneuma (In this reading, the possible source of Ouroboros power, the stones can be explained as Nia’s resonance with Origin Metal allowing her to route Pneuma’s power into the Ouroboros Stone since she basically has admin perms for the side of Origin which would contain the Pneuma core) and Logos (in this reading, Logos would be the source of Moebius, note, in these readings the powers drawn from these cores aren’t anything BUT the power from them, how they’re generated from the emotions inside of Origin is separate, Moebius is simply drawing power from the Logos Core after it came into existence, not that it IS the thing that created moebius) and empowers them/is empowered by them. Basically, the Sword has actively nothing to do with the ability to Interlink, it was just unlocked later thanks to the data accumulated by the Founders. Also fun fact, due to the possibility that Matthew’s gauntlets were probably used to make Noah’s Veiled Sword sheath, it’s possible both Swords of the End’s sheathes contain a Trinity Processor core, Pneuma for Noah, Logos for N. Tl;dr Pneuma Core is probably the source of Ouroboros power, Logos of Moebius power and the Swords amplify/are amplified by said powers since they’re the Ontos of this Trinity.
I see that as being unlikely personally as it wouldn't add up. They needed to bring the power of Ouroboros to completion. Maybe you are right and coming into contact with the Sword of the End ONCE means that they automatically powered it up and got the negative side from it but I'm not sure Logos also is unlikely to be the Source of Moebius because A) The Core Crystal died at the end of the game and B) Moebius was formed by the negative emotion of people being fed into Origin. It had nothing to do with Logos
@@JBspherefreak i am saying that Moebius is SEPARATE from Logos Core, simply that they draw their power source from it. Same for Ouroboros, it simply draws power from Pneuma’s core but the core isn’t directly Pneuma, just power drawn from her. I believe it’s possible Logos’ core was reformed from information it shared with the Ontos/Pneuma cores back before the whole Conduit incident, we’ve seen Trinity cores can be repaired from taking data from other trinity cores, so why can’t a trinity core or an equivalent to it that fills the same role as Logos (so it’d functionally just be Logos again) be created from that Data?
My question is did Klaus only make a pocket dimensions and by that the original universe was not touched. I'll explain so what this means if you was outside the event it would have been a bright light and then you would have just saw these two worlds coming together in seconds . but in XENOBLADE forever would have happened. that means also the white Wale might be coming back
@@JBspherefreak I'll say yes because if you look at it when it becoming one you see the Mobius sign. At the same time it probably why the white Wale came back and it looked new or why kos-mos fell back down because gravity. At the same time the ending of XCX seems kinda Mobius when you look
Hey i really liked that video and your interpretation on the story. I’d ask you to put in more scenes that prove your statements tho. The oroborus being concept thing for example wasn’t stated and needs to be backed up a bit more. I’d love to see more of that and more xenoblade content. 😄
I felt as if the Ouroboros side of things was proven quite substantially in terms of the comparisons between both that and Moebius. Additionally, the reason I can't show anything more to prove my point is that it isn't there. With Xeno Lore, not everything is spelt out to you and sometimes you have to connect the dots yourself. Ouroboros is never stated to be a concept but when you genuinely think about how the power works and how similar it is Moebius, then the it draws you to the answer of it being a concept and everything else makes sense. The only other possibility is that it is some random power the Queens stumble upon by applying their core crystals to Origin metal and BANG the power is made which is kinda ridiculous in my books 😅 Still I appreciate the feedback and will endeavour to improve this in the future
More likely that Takahashi will reboot and fuse into 1 game (or more) Xenoblade X and Xenosaga. It just doesn't work, especially for Xenosaga. I don't think both are canon in anyway but will be rework to be at some point.
I'm still looking at the moment (Cos it isn't the Sword Theory Miiks has made a vid on) but it looks like the answer is in the base game. Theres a lot of mention of "True Selves" and both M and Nia being aware of their second version which doesn't line up with FR Lore as Nia is already asleep at the start
Something really cool is that if you play both base game and frs end credits.scenes at the same time, the worlds merge as soon as noah hears the flutes. 😭
Oh really? I didn't know that
Wow how did you think to watch both at the same time to find it out? Haha
I saw it on a reddit post LOL
@@stormfallvalkyri8389 i don't suppose you could link it? i'd love to see
Takahashi was cooking so hard...
Another thing to mention. Rex, A, and Shulk essentially serve as a new trinity.
Rex serves as Pneuma, being a spirited person.
A, of course, serves as Ontos.
Shulk, being the logical one, fills in the role of Logos.
Together, they create a new 'Trinity' within origin.
Pretty cool to think about.
Not sure if Logos was logical at all.
@@J01789 the point of logos was logic, pneuma spirit.
Malos on the other hand got corrupted by Amalthus.
The Trinity Processer doesn't exist as a part of XC3 and thus it has nothing to do with this
@@JBspherefreak yea, it doesn't exist in the sense that it did before, but it does seem like every part of the Trinity is here. (Idk what's really happening with logos since it's implied that the core is in N's sheath despite the fact Rex made him go poof, not sure about that)
But it's just a cool thing either way
@@JBspherefreak Not the entire Trinity, but two of them are involved.
I love the implication that the City folk could all use the incomplete Ouroboros power if they had just trained but were too lazy because they were relying too heavily on Blade weapons.
I mean, Matthew was whooping Moebius ass with that incomplete power.
Regular City people only had Ouroboros blood, they technically hadn't came into contact with either side so no they wouldn't have been able to use the power BUT if they did get the Ouroboros power from the stones instead, then they would have had the Ethereal power
nikol says at the end that by perfecting the ouroboros stone, the people who could use its power would be limited so the rest of the city people would be unable to use any of it as it would go solely to the six active ouroboros
It explains why they constantly lost to Z, even N relied on his blade more than just oroboros power, if he really meant to end it, he found a way to use it
They do say that stone has a limit of how many people can use it tho.
@Bullminator well N was one of the chosen candidates numerous times, Z knows, he tried fighting him once, lost.
Then ran from him, died from freezing to death, or maybe survived, kinda iffy about that part, but he eventually broke free temporarily, but his time ran out, he had ample time to learn how to use oroboros, even mio was with him as well, back to back in life times, you can't deny he and the city citizens were lazy in using ouroboros, if they all pitched in, they could sped the process up for ouroboros, my theory is, riku purposely waited for ouroboros research to finish and secretly cloned N by DNA in ghondor bloodline for keves castle and mio for Agnes, he knows the mobius tracks high level of ether, since they control both parties, they don't care how they do it, they want city people dead, no questions ask, they're just giving command and troops may question but blindly follow them, in result is how the new team was met, also riku giving Noah the lucky 7 meant he was setting his plan to motion, after years of research, I say it well paid off
Shulk says it, it isn't a sacrifice. And essentially because the version of Rex and Shulk we play as are not the real ones from Alrest and Bionis. These were the versions inside Origin that were revived to help fight against Mobius. When Origin finishes it's mission, the real Rex and Shulk will come back, but somewhere within them will be the memories of the Aionios versions too. I really hope that the new world created connects us to XCX and then that XCX is remastered for Switch and connected properly to finish the whole Chronicles. Xenosaga would be cool, but since XCX is still unconnected to the rest of the Chronicles while Xenosaga is a complete step outside of the Chronicles, it would make sense to finish Chronicles first before trying the other stuff.
I just realized the Alpha, at the ending fight, only has half of his wings. In the beginning he had both wings. One half went to A.
And also when you use vision with A she has said half, such a cool detail
Alrighty now I need to wait for Luxin's 2 hour video on the 30 second (give or take) post credit scene
Man, I love the Xeno community
Why? This has just summed up everything in 20 mins 😉
@@JBspherefreak I like to hear the different theories people come up with, and more Xeno content the merrier, no?
Oh for sure, I just don't have the time to waste on super long vids 😂 if you've got the time go for it tho
@@JBspherefreak Exams are over, I can turn off my brain for the next three weeks give or take
Yikes. Probably not what you intended JB but that reply sounds a bit off.
Frankly I'm just happy to know that both worlds did in fact successfully re merge that was the main thing I needed clarity on
I just finished the dlc today and while it still left me with a lot of questions I was mostly satisfied 😌.
I did too! I love Monolith Soft
I have a theory that Matthew is the one who made Noah. Specifically in his fights with N and blasting him both ideologically and through Ouroboros power caused his own hope for the future to break off from his nihilistic self.
I actually theorized the same thing. Concepts being given physical form is common in Xenoblade 3.
Noah and Mio are N and M's hopes for the future made manifest. For Mio, it wouldn't be that hard for the split to happen since her hopes for the future remained strong the whole time, though N couldn't understand that.
N's hopes for the future were nearly completely gone, but meeting Matthew obviously influenced him. I think the real turning point for N was Matthew telling him that he might be the one to break the cycle. N doesn't say anything in response, but you can tell he ponders it for a moment. Though he wouldn't admit it, I think those words rekindled his hope deep down.
I don't think this is the case. People are making the same parallel between both Alpha and A but in that case, A was born immediately whereas Noah wasn't and only appeared to arrive 1,000 years later
I mean there's no reason Noah couldn't have split off immedietly and just stayed in the cycle of endless now until the stars aligned.
Orrrrrr M was working from the shadows all that time and possibly worked with Riku in finding a chosen one. She likely cloned the two and knew the outcome.
My problem with Noah being a split off from N is the question. Is Noah truly an anomaly, or does every moebius have a copy of their pre Mobius form still running in the cycle. Because if Mobius are a conjuration of a person's fear of the fusion. And it's implied everyone has a Mobius inside them. Then why can Noah fight against his own Mobius and noone else. It's biggest question I still have unanswered by the end of future redeemed. I kinda like this theory about Mathew. But I still think it's only a theory.
the three Aegis Cores each have a power. Logos has power over matter, Ontos has power over Time, and Pneuma has power over space. Ontos can Find a point in time to put something, Pneuma can find a point in space to put something, and logos then can use the other two to pin point where the matter need to go. my idea in how Xenoblade 1 world was made.
The Xenoblade 1 world was all Ontos though? It wouldn't make sense for him to not have power over matter since he teleports away. My view is that Ontos is creation, Logos is destruction, and Pneuma is change.
@@jstar3382 Okay but their power actually already in their names.. Logos means "speech" and "reason" so their power is control over "speech" and "reason" that's why he's so loud in the game and can control over law of nature in general because reason is basically law.. Pneuma means "breath" and "spirit" so their power is to control over the soul or the spirit of people that's why interlink activated in the ending of future redeemed.. and Ontos / Ousia means "being" or "essence" so their power is control over "being" or "essence" that's why they are more powerful but very machine like without the other two..
Or it could all mean nothing as Klaus himself said to Malos that his name means nothing but the ego of those who created them lmao. Could also be that he just didn't wanna explain alien concepts to Malos but I personally like to think that.
Where I get the powers is that in game pneuma folds space for Rex move faster and has siren fire a shot in to rhadamanthus through hole in space. Ontos stop time for both World at one time and without him not their time will being agian. Logo is hard to say and he the one who help make the beings and creatures xenoblade 2
Actually, Pneuma would be creation, as in how one of her abilities allows her to create particles of any element. Ontos is both the intermediate of state transition and the counterpiece of order(to the other two's chaos of creation and destruction).
The reason that there is significant overlap in what they can do is that they still pull from the same pool of data and power, they just implement it diffrently. e.g. Malos has more Monado Arts than Eater, but it seems to be the strongest because it naturally ties the best into his intended function and powers.
The ending to Future Redeemed was the biggest mind-blow, thought-provoking ending the series has had for me since Xenoblade 2, which I actually played BEFORE XC1. Don't get me wrong, I loved the ending of XC1 and XC3, as well as Torna, but this blows them out of the water in my opinion. There's just so much to unpack here and was a phenomenal ending to the trilogy.
I actually never played Xenoblade 1. So I feel this lol. I have it, just never played it. So now that I’ve finished this I’m going to go back and play the first game
@@RaGiNgBaNaNa101 Go buy it for the Switch if you can. It's a good game tbh
@@agamersinsanity oh I own it! I just never got to it! And with Zelda coming out in 5 days…not very prone to starting a new game rn lol
When you go to Rikus shop and look at lucky 7, and he gives you that lore drop, blew my mind
“I’d like to emphasize that the sword of the end isn’t actually Malos’s core crystal.”
Welp
It's worth noting that Bandai Namco is in the credits for special thanks, and that Xenosaga is in the Intellectual Property section of the software in the Home Menu options for the game.
But they have to be...KOS-MOS is a Mascot character and doesn't require that whereas Dimitri Yuriev, an important character from the games does
That light in the post credits scene is making quite the firestorm. It's nice to see Xenosaga and Xenoblade X trending as much as they are as a result though. For me personally the light is a tease at Xenoblade X because that's still an unresolved story and X does reference Xenoblade 1 a couple times. I love Xenosaga more personally, but I think it being KOS-MOS returning to earth is a bit more ridiculous than it being either Elma going to Earth or the White Whale crashing into Mira. We probably won't get a definitive answer on what it is though.
The radio also mentions names and events from Xenogears, Xenosaga, and Xenoblade X, so I think it's more or less a tease as to what Monolith is doing next than continuity with these games. My guess is we'll be getting announcements for Xenogears and Xenosaga remastered later this year or next year and I think they'll probably be releasing the Definitive Edition of X on it's 10th anniversary in 2025 much like they did for Xenoblade Definitive Edition. This is hopeful thinking though but man the teasing at the end of this DLC was ridiculous.
As I said here I feel X is its own contained story and has no relation to this not to mention the earth literally blew up in X. Like I said here somebody looked through the copyright notices and found xenosaga bandai namco in there. If they somehow managed to cut a deal with bandai it being kosmos makes more sense than Elma personally. But never say never they could pull in X but story wise xenosaga makes a better connection than X. the radio towards the end mentions a xenosaga character and there's no mention of alien attacks. It does mention they were colonising and in X they made spaceships to escape the attack not to colonise.
@@dangermouseuk78 X does have some context that Mira is possibly in another universe or is in it's own pocket dimension. One of the Ganglion, I believe Luxaar, says that when Earth was destroyed they were engulfed in light ant transported to Mira. They are also unable to escape the planet due to some force keeping them there.
Then there is the Samarians which are hinted as being a universe hopping civilization and I think X subtly hints at Mira being their original home world. It's a stretch, but the Samarians could be the future civilization from the main Xenoblade universe or even the people from Klaus civilization after they sent out colonization ships in their project Exodus. It's a stretch though and a Definitive Edition or Sequel could explain who and what the Samarians and Mira are.
As for Xenosaga matching up with Xenoblade it just doesn't. Just because they mention Dimitri Yuriev doesn't mean it's the same person. Dimitri from Xenosaga wasn't even alive when humanity was still on Earth and was born hundreds of years before the events of Xenosaga not thousands like that would imply. I think everything mentioned in this radio broadcast is Xenoblade's version of these characters and events since the series was made into a multiverse with the revelations from Xenoblade 2.
The Light in the post credits scene could be anything. I'm mostly leaning on it being a reference to the White Whale crashing into Mira because there are more connections between X and the main Xenoblade series than Xenosaga and Xenogears, but those are thin to say the least. We'll see what they do with that going forward, but my guess is they'll keep us in the dark about it.
I feel like Xenoblade 3 needs a sort of Perfect Works style lore book because the scope of the world and lore of Aionios is so massive there was never any possible way they could have fit all of it into a game of reasonable length, no matter how much dev time and resources they had.
No, absolutely I agree
I didn't get to be part of the Xenoblade Chronicles story for long. But. I played 1-3. And I absolutely love them. It's hard to say goodbye but it's not hard to to feel joy in the story the way it unfolded. I love Xenoblade.
Absolutely love at 6:30 you used TP as an actual justification LOL
Its the truth man 😂
Those 19 minutes flew by, holy crap. Just finished Future Redeemed and this answered so many questions, thanks!
Your analysis on Future Redeemed was great. I really liked how you explained the raw power of Ouroboros. I think the ending is the most interesting part about Future Redeemed. Potential spoilers for xenosaga and warning, extremely long tangent incoming. This is my take on the ending:
About the ending, I don’t really know what the light is, but I don’t think it means that xenoblade X is the next game in the timeline. Since X occurs as an effect of the destruction of earth, if the light heading towards the new planet is Elma heading towards Earth to warn Earth about the attack of the Ganglion, then that would be convoluted because that would mean that Earth was completely restored. On the other hand, if it’s the white Whale descending into Mira, then it’s still convoluted because then it means that the planet that they landed on after Earth got destroyed was another version of Earth the whole time. My guess is that when Klaus activated the Conduit, it created a near identical universe to Earth where he never activated the Conduit in the first place, which would then lead to Elma warning Earth about the Ganglion’s attack; in brief, X is essentially another set of events where it shows an alternate result from Klaus’ actions. It should also be considered that the white whale landed 2 years after the destruction of earth, so even if X is happening chronologically in the xenoblade timeline, it’s happening hundreds of years *before* the worlds of Bionis and Alrest even begin to have life, and before the stories of xenoblade 1 and 2 even happened, because it took ages for Alrest’s life to develop. However, that doesn’t mean that it isn’t possible that the light is Elma, it could probably be her heading toward the new planet as the worlds of 1 and 2 might connect to X in a similar sense of how 1 and 2 were happening. However, it could also be KOS MOS, since the scene of the light heading towards the planet is reminiscent of the Xenosaga Episode III ending. The third option is that the light is something new entirely, though I still think it could probably be KOS MOS.
However, what I think the ending might hint is that we’re actually getting an actual canon crossover of Xenoblade 1, 2, X, Xenosaga, And Xenoblade 3, since the references to X and Saga in Future Redeemed interestingly align with the non canon challenge battle mode in 2 where a special dialogue with Elma, Shulk, Rex and KOS MOS occurs in the world tree. Regardless, I am extremely excited for xenoblade’s future.
Edit: I also think that Shulk and Rex telling Nikol and Glimmer that they’ll meet again is an allegory for how we’ll see them again in the next game, maybe xenoblade 4 is the events after Origin rebooted, and we actually get to see Noah reuniting with Mio shortly after the epilogue scene in the ending of Xenoblade 3, with the characters walking towards the new future in the end, leading to the whole crossover between 1, 2, 3, X, and Saga.
The little blue light in the ending is likely KOS-MOS coming home.
I'm guessing 2 things. Either is Takahashi reimagining Saga's lore/events into Blade's or there's some strong story and timelines lore that we didn't know just yet between Blades, Saga, X. If it that was KOSMOS in FR ending, does that mean that similar events between Saga and Blades are occurring at the same time, but in different timeline and universes? What in the world is Takahashi's cooking? More freaking questions than answers.
@@TheBeholderist What is Takahashi cooking? Why, "The Perfect Works", of course.
Your timeline of X is completely wrong, Tatsu mentions Frontier village in X and theirs even a side mission the shows a fake monado from 1. Not only that, there are collectibles that show the Mechonis and the Bionis called "Primitive Colossus Statue". Another collectable which I don't remember the exact name since I didn't see any connections at the time (Xenoblade Chronicles X was my first game) but it's something along the lines of "The book of life and death" which describes massive Titans roaming around a world map.
If you look at end credits there is special thanks to Bandai Namco. Hopefully monolith is maybe cooking Xenosaga remake or rectonning it into Xenoblade timeline. Takahashi is a legit madman
I think you forgot to mention that the split of N and Noah is mirroring the split of A and Alpha.. Both of Noah and A is the remaining good conscience and hope to new future.. And someone actually found how N and Noah split in this DLC.. It's hidden in plain sight.. Remember how A explain how they are split into two when they are in the city? The Aura grandpa emmit to Ontos in Na'el body is exact the same as Matthew punch N sword of origin and you can actually see it's actually had and effect towards N but suddenly cut to interlink of the party.. That's kinda explain why the hell Matthew suddenly said "Maybe it's even you" to N.. and why Matthew suddenly have lonely expedition.. He is searching for M.. and then he will put them back together in the cycle.. Basically the set up the story in the main game..
Yea...I don't think that works...
For sure Ghondor managed to split A from Alpha BUT A was already a key part of Ontos' personality when Noah really wasn't. The Ouroboros effect of splitting them is also different as Ghondor applied it directly to Na'el (Specifically the brain and presumably where Alpha was residing) whereas the Ouroboros power at the end was moreso spreadout AND he already had the power of Ouroboros anyway (Look back at the main game).
I also just checked that final scene and there is NO Ouroboros effect in sight. No ethereal soul leaving his body or Iris glowing. Another major difference to keep in mind is that when Alpha was split, A was created immediately whereas your assuming that by pure coincedence, Noah was born 1,000 years later.
This doesn't add up
What I understood is that Noah and Mioh are actually kind of the same as Z, while Z is the materialization of humankind fear for the future, Noah and Mio are for the hopes and dreams that Shulk and Rex left to party, I watched the ending scene several, times and its what I got 😂
@@JBspherefreak I forgot, but was there ever any actual confirmation that Noah is the direct next incarnation after N?
12:00 This does indeed sound cool. Shulk and Rex did indeed state "we're helping", "We're going to wait at the edge of time". They never stated that we're never going to see them or A ever again, just that Shulk, Rex and A are taking the temporary state as the world's avatar.
Fun fact is that all 3 are also opposite forces like the 3 core crystals Antos, Logos and Pneuma were. Where Shulk is from the world of the Bionis and Mechonis, Rex is from Alrest and A is Antos/Alpha/Alvis's conscience created in Aionios (which is a mix between Alrest and the Bionis) so somewhere in between, like Alpha was somewhere in between of Malos and Pneuma.
Once the dimensions collide, Origin has the job to restart everyone's recorded souls again on this new plain of existence, everyone including Shulk's, Rex's and A's /"Alvis" 's soul.
You mean, A will be alive and as a women?
@@zqq1021 A is never stated to be either male or Female. Just that A is the conscience of Alvis/Alpha. So it's implied that A is somewhere in between a man and a woman. However her voice, long hair and having her Core crystal as an earring I also agree that A is more on the female side, compared to Alvis/Alpha who is more on the side of being a man compared to A.
I think the only thing I was missing from the credits was a little montage showing us how the characters are doing in the new world. Like yes I know they are happy families with children, and there's the photo at the end of the main game, but I wanted to see more. Otherwise I am really content with how the trilogy ended
This is part of the point of this ending. Future Redeemed is all about building a future with the hope it will be good. Showing how things turned out or how the cast lived their lives defeats this purpose as the best we can do is build a better future for our decedents and hope they will improve it even farther.
The dot in the post credits scene is probably actually the ship from Metroid Prime 3's 100% post credits scene
The ending was great, love how it took Noah throwing his sword into the ocean from being "Aw symbolism :)" and to "OH SHIT NOAH WAIT". Even if the sheath isnt the same as the fists, I love the joke lol.
As long as Rex, Pyra, Mythra and Nia still get to be reunited, I am happy.
Nope! Noah literally yeeted Pyra, Mythra, and all of their friends into the ocean lmao
@@garenthal9638 this gives me uncomfortable Star Wars Sequel Trilogy vibes
@@IAmAlpharius20Luke throwing the lightsaber over his shoulder ahh vibes
The connection Xenoblade Chronicles X is becoming more of a reality!
I think the shulk/rex sacrifice was more of a fake death. I've considered a lot from 1, 2 and 3, and I'm thinking that when origin was being created, Melia and Niah realized they each had a peice of the trinity processor, ontos and pnuema. They realized they needed the full power of the trinity processor, so they had to reconstruct logos fast using the power of their respective pieces, and when it came time to complete it, logos would need a soul - in order to process the bad information of the world. Shulk stepped up and became that sacrifice, thats why Melia still has the monado REX in the castle, saying thank you... then rex became the soul of pnuema, because he can't have his wives, pyra and Mythra, leave their children. Rex became the sacrifice for alrest so that his world could go on, being protected by pyra, mythra, and led by Nia. We know pneuma can transfer core crystals by the end of 2 when she gives all of the crystal to rex, pyra and mythra's return was klaus's final gift to the gang, but pnuema was still rex. Lastly, after alphas defeat, that leaves a hole in the ontos portion, and A perfectly suits the position as they were a part of ontos to begin with. The shulk and rex we see are just avatars of the main core crystal, so once their job is done, the duo need to return "home", just like glimmer and nikol aren't the true children of rex and shulk, this pair isn't the true rex and shulk, as they already have their place in the trinity processor.
Origin was based on Ontos' architecture of how he takes in data from both Pneuma and Logos, NOT the entire Trinity Processor. Shulk and Rex thus wouldn't need to replace the souls of Logos and Pneuma because they were never a part of it to begin with.
If this was also the case, how in the hell did Ghondor and presumably an earlier Vandham get his hands on the Pneuma Core Crystal if its supposed to be in Origin? In fact the entire reason Alpha was created was because Pneuma and Logos no longer existed
Ok but where do you think shulk and Rex came from. Where they just wandering around aionios from the beginning like the queens even though they have regular human lifespans or were they a sort of defence mechanism within aionios with their souls being released once the threat of alpha was detected
@@JBspherefreak I'm adding this comment because it seems most people misunderstand the whole deal with Pneuma's core.
Look at the scene again: the core only appears in that moment, it wasn't there all along. And it is transparent, because it's not the actual, physical core, but just a manifestation of Pneuma's power.
Consider also that A says that what make Matthew's gauntlets special is that they contain Origin metal, not a core crystal. And Riku explained that Origin metal can contain the souls and memories of the people just like Origin, and that Lucky Seven contains the soul of someone important for Melia.
So, just like Lucky Seven contains Fiora's soul (as confirmed by Takahashi himself), the Origin metal in Matthew's gauntlet contains both Mythra's and Pyra's, and that is why Pneuma's power can manifest.
Mythra and Pyra themselves, just like Fiora and everyone else, are among the people assimilated by Origin, which was managed by Ontos alone. But since Origin metal works as it does, they manifested in Aionios like that.
Ghondor never had the crystal, they only got a piece of Origin metal and made the gauntlets with it. In fact, the main game shows the Ouroboros' Stone contains Origin metal too, and we know the City received the Stone from her and Ghondor studied it. Additionaly, Dillon claims that the gaunltets are the culmination of the research on the Stone.
Crackpot Theory: I think there are two Noahs because Noah was uncertain when he became N. Part of him wanted to End the Eternal Now, while part of him really wants to continue on. N really wants to continue existing so much so Z personally picked him out and made his right hand man. N is part of the reason Z is so powerful. (You who long for the endless now more than anyone) Thus, Noah, N hope for the future has to be the one to win out over N’s despair. Once they merge, Z no longer has the ability to maintain control, since the world is sufficiently ready to move forward.
Whilst this is a nice idea, I believe theres more to it based on M and Nia's perspectives of them finding their "True selves". It's too much of a coincedence otherwise
@@JBspherefreak Maybe when M and N died they returned to the cycle and The ones Z brought back became different versions of them? I don't really know how making Mobius works.
But personally I can't call XC3 a master piece until I learn how they were reborn and how Riku lived so long.
@@goatslayer3160 I can't say for certain how Noah and Mio re-entered the cycle. I can explain Riku though. Its the same way Rex, Shulk, Nia, and Melia all lived for so long. It seems anyone who existed prior and continued to exist in Origin do not age, or at least age at an imperceptibly slow rate. They can still be killed. As we can find Riki's grave in the base game and Nia would have almost bit the dust if it weren't for her flesh eater powers. How which people ended up in Z's cycle is also unclear, but given the age range of Agnes/Keves soldiers, perhaps only children were taken into that cycle.
If I may, I would like to make one addition to my Crackpot theory. N made his decision partially under duress. (He still wanted the Eternal Now however) M had absolutely no say in the arrangement. Therefore you could argue that their resistance to Mobius WERE their true selves, hence Nia’s comment. In addition, I think N’s clash with Matthew is also partially responsible for N to split in half. Matthew cause him to feel doubt and in turn unshackled Noah, like N did to Alpha. Still just my crackpot theory.
If that's really Kos Mos I will cry. 😢 Been with Xeno since I played Xenogears back in 2002. XcX is the only Xeno game I have yet to play though.
About time i found a Xeno themed RUclips channel, my favourite series of all time!
Theres gonna be a whole lot more don't you worry 😉
As much as I love the lore and connections FR made, I’m a little disappointed that the trilogy had to end via PREQUEL DLC. I know this isn’t the end for Xeno, maybe they can resurrect X or shift to a larger open world scale, similar to that of X or even Future Redeemed.
I see a lot of people thinking the ending hints at X or Saga stuff; and while I REALLY want both of those things, I can't bring myself to hope any harder for a remaster/sequel for X lol
6:13
JB: This is in contrast to the Sword of the End.
N: [picks up the Sword of Origin replica]
The radio mentions more xenosaga stuff than X stuff so im inclined to believe its kosmos
Heck even Dimitri is directly mentioned, I don't see why it would point more to X than Xenosaga tbh
13:17 You think Riku in that particular scene also implied he descended from Kino? Which is also kind of why Melia picked him?
He did say that his father and Melia were traveling companions once, and I have some doubts that it's Riki, unless Riku too was adopted lmao
I believe it would be Kino yea! Kino really looked up to his father Riki and so it makes sense that he would name his son after him and Riki naming his son Riku is a bit...
@@JBspherefreak On another note, how do you think the Firelight swords were created? My theory is Rex and maybe the others (Like king Eulogimenos because he was a salvager too lol jk) went salvaging for spare Artifice parts, ... And then Tora did it. And that's it lol.
Honestly not too sure but we do know that during the creation of Origin, both Keves & Agnus pooled their knowledge together and I expect Replica Monados to be included in that. I talked about how Aegises and Monados are similar but different in the Alvis video so either they made them during the creation of Origin or when both worlds merge, Shulk or someone else built them for him
@@IcyDragonRB well looking at what tora did for Poppi and their replica monado I wouldn't say it's out of the question. At the end of the day, it's function as a weapon is quite simple to figure out as it runs off the ether around them. The special abilities like foresight and the ability to cut ethereal entities relies mostly on the monado's aegis & wielder. Which shulk managed to giga brain together in FC. If the world's were in communication or even had time "post merge" I don't see why shulk couldn't have passed that either knowledge onto rex or developed it for em. Another thing that caught my eye was the fog beasts returned and Rex is perfectly capable of cutting them down. The only thing against this tho is that all the other party members can also cut down fog beasts. So at the end of the day we can think it was something passed down for the modern blade weapons OR (and most likely) just a gameplay thing
Based on the apparent ages of the characters, I find it more likely that Riki was Riku’s father than Kino. During Future Connected, Kino was still very much a child, and while it’s true that some time has passed between then and the formation of Aionios, I find it hard to believe it would be enough time for Kino to grow to adulthood, then have a child who themselves reaches adulthood. Especially because Rex and Shulk seem to be in their 30s-40s physically, rather than in their 50s-60s
Thank you for the very detailed explanation.
Loved this. I need Enel and Luxin (mainly Luxin) complete breakdown, this is CRAZY and mindblowing.
My man, this was an astounding video. You explained this very effectively.
Thanks again for your work!
Glad to be of assistance 👍
I was wondering last year if Crys was an avatar of Shulk but now think he is descended from Nikol
Ok can someone help explain something to me cus i'm still very confused about noah and N's swords. I've been hearing that N's sword in particular is logos, initially i wasnt sold on this idea cus we never saw the core but after watching it a few times i can see where people are coming from. Rex saying "if only THOSE TWO where here" then N's sword glowing purple, perhaps the shards of logos's core remained after malos died, not enough for a full crystal but perhaps enough for origin to integrate (side note, is this maybe why all moebius have a purple glowing core in their base form?). But the question i have is, if N's sword is logos then what does that make noah's sword? The lucky 7 isnt N's sword as riku already had it during the events of future redeemed, and yet lucky 7 still exhibited monado like powers when it transformed. So what does that make it, how are there 2 of them if we now assume logos fits into the equation somehow for both of them?
Another quick question too which has been confusing me, is it the sword of the end or the sword of origin, cus the game kept seeming to switch between them
All this said though, if we assume logos is somehow the lucky 7 that does mean something very cool. XB1 was all about us using ontos's blades, XB2 was all about us using pneuma's blades, and XB3 was now us using logos. The trinity complete =P
Lucky 7 is implied to be the memory shards of the other major companions of 1 and 2 that we don't see in person and that weren't accounted for via other weapons (Pneuma being accounted for in the form of Matthew's Gauntlets.)
And some people on reddit think this is a simple storyline lol
Alpha's goal: Erase the past worlds and start anew with the Citizens.
The world at the end of Xenoblade 3: Keep the past worlds, but erase the Citizens.
They don't seem that different from each other. Having to sacrifice one group to let the other move into the future.
The way Xenoblade 3 explained things implied that the people of the City are the people of the future of both worlds and that they'll probably be reincarnated in the new world eventually. So once the two worlds became one again it's very possible that they all come back, probably without any memory from their lives in Aionios but that's not exactly a bad thing.
@Barry Black true yeah tbh I think once the world's recombine again that all pairings and children born from aionios will happen again in a similar fashion so that these people get another chance to exist again
I highly recommend playing Xenosaga, especially after the ending of FR. The trilogy will probably take you less time to finish than it takes to complete Xenoblade 3 (including side quests and DLC) and, lore-wise, especially with the radio in FR, it's very possible that, after a few minor retcons, the two series are in the same universe. The Xenosaga games are not without their faults, but the story is amazing.
Xenoblade 1 felt like Takahashi and Monolith playing it safe after the less than stellar performance of the Xenosaga trilogy. Xenoblade 3 proved that they have created a winning formula now and defined themselves as JRPG giants on equal footing with SquareEnix, Namco, Atlas, etc. Considering what Monolith did on a shoestring budget with Xenosaga, I'm eager to see what Takahashi and his team do next.
We'll see...
that radio broadcast was such a tease for us XCX fans
Indeed
So here is a theory of where Noah came from. 'A' appeared after Mathew's granddad was killed right? We see a quick glimpse of grandad rushing towards Na'el then the power of Ouroboros is seen. This is when Alpha and A split no? Maybe not lol.
Let us assume though it was, then with N being so close to that impact, perhaps that is when a portion of himself that still felt a glimpse of remorse and perhaps hope split and thus Noah came to be. Noah then became practically the symbol for hope while N just became even madder with despair.
Thats pretty much what Miiks newest video was about, Im pretty sure youre right
"She has 35 TP" had me dying ngl 😂
I know it's totally irrelavant to this video or the story, but I still funny to think about that Glimmer is Matthews Great-Great-Great-Aunt, and that Rex is his Great-Great-Grandfather. Plus that Glimmer and Mio are half-sisters.
So Noah and Mio actually got back together quiet fast after the ending? I guess my broken heart can rest easy now.
We don't know for sure...it's implied that the worlds merge immediately but this could have been thousands of years later
@@JBspherefreak Don't ruin it D=
I like how in the dlc Riku and them see lucky seven with N and do not think anything of it.
Funny how I played FR and never once thought it was the past even at the end credits
Glad you clarified the worlds becoming one again at the end, I couldnt figure out if they became one at the end of the dlc origin story and then split at the end of 3. So I havent played much of xenoblade x yet, but if I'm understanding correctly, most xb fans think xenoblade x was the original world before splitting? and that Alpha was originally from there and the only one with those memories?
I'm not sure what theories people are sharing around but no, thats impossible. I'm making a video shortly on the radio and such so I'll explain it all then
I'm pretty sure Xenoblade X's intro and the flashback scene at the beginning of the final chapter in Xenoblade 2 are 100% incompatible. In X two alien races come to Earth to fight and end up blowing up the planet while some humans barely manage to escape, in Xenoblade 2 we see Klaus doing his thing while different human factions fight a war against each other with no aliens involved and if they were I'm sure we would have seen it.
But why are Rex and Shulk back? Why do they seem to live forever, Riku included. Why did Alvis go rogue suddenly, after so much time. Why are there more swords of the end, why were Noah and Mio always so special even before N and M. XC2 needed a 30 minute cutscene to explain the lore, and there weren't as many loose ends as in XC3. This dlc was the last chance to tie up the story and yet monolith just ditched and left it to us to try and make sense of it.
I just finished the DLC and man was it good my only real complaint is I was really hoping they were going to explain how Noah and N can exist at the same time which is sadly didn't and that's probably going to bother me way more than it should😂
Great explanation, i have subscribed to your channel!
Appreciated 😁
Walking towards the future.
I love the way the ontos core is visualized in the series. In XBC1, the core is more of an ornament because the alvis we see is a contruct (for lack of better word) in the world he created, the real ontos core is sustaining the universe. when he rebuilds the xbc1 universe to sustain itself, much like Klaus' universe without gods, he reverts back to core and has no body. pneuma and logos have their real cores in chest because they later became part of blade system that allowed a body to materialize around the actual core in Alrest. fast forward, ontos core becomes what sustains origin, and origin is freezing two real universes together, hence he can only appear with a body inside origin and is wearing his ornament core. He needs a host (avatar) to exist and carry his real core around in Aionios. A's earring looks like Alvis' ornament core because its not the actual core, as A is a facet of ontos that was granted a body in 'real' world due to ouroboros powers. prior to DLC it confused me why the core has two aesthetic appearances.
That's a great narratatalization (Think I just invented a word) of the ONTOS Core Crystal 👍
Joanna Hogg also sung a couple songs for Xenogears and Xenosaga Episode I.
I can't think that logos no longer exist especially after seeing how malos disintegrates too at the end of torna the golden contry .
He even asked Pneuma how does her feeling to be alive in base 2 ending.
Also, in a blink and you miss it shot while Pneuma is using Aion, the hud displays two of three processor cores, implying that Malos still exists in some capacity. After all, the data contained within his core had to go somewhere
@@conorb.1901 yeah just Saw everything and you are right logos core still shows up ,also If pyra and mithra got new bodies for a reason malos could easily too, Not to mention that thematically destroying one of the core crystals and leaving only ontos and pneuma in the series would be weird.
Omg Joanne Hogg sings the new song???!!!!! She sang the songs for Xenosaga too!!!! Omg!!! I’m gonna go cry now. They really did put a lot of Xenosaga stuff into the game.
Hey hey
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So is Riku the son of Riki or the son of Kino? Both Riki and his son, Kino were companions to Melia in XC1 main game and FC.
I believe that its Kino because he looked up to his father Riki as the Heropon and I could see him naming his son after his dad
1:55 i feel like it's worth point out that panacea, linka, A and possibly Riku were also part of the mega ouroboros
They literally weren't...there are only 5 Ouroboros spheres that collide and those that do can be seen in the white area as Alpha begins to die + A because she was a part of Alpha. None of the people you mentioned or N formed the Ouroboros Titan
@@JBspherefreak however in the cutscene where it forms panacea, linka and A begin to dematerialise just as everyone else does when the ouroboros forms
I've just checked twice and they literally don't
The thing with the 2 Noa and Mio is simple in my opinion. The clash between N and Gondor was strong enough to split alpha. N and M were both in the explosion of gondor oroboros power
No this doesn’t work
M was only revived and was present in the City AFTER the clash with Ghondor as depicted by the Cutscene and there’s another important difference…
A was INSTANTLY created after the energies clashed whereas Noah and Mio we’re reborn thousands of years later. To be chucked into the Origin cycle, it’s clear that Moebius has to do something to you proven through Shania so again, this isn’t right
Can someone explain to me where Melia and Nia were during future redeemed?
Melia is is origin. Nia is in the cloudkeep.
@@ixchel3330 I just feel like Shulk and Rex would’ve tried to save them.
I really liked this DLC, but there are still some unexplained plot points that i would have liked to see. And there goes our last chance of seeing Ontos and Logos in their true forms. Speaking of which, everything seems to hint that the Logos core was embedded into N's sword sheath but how that is possibile remains a mystery. Did the queens use the data from Ontos and Pneuma to recreate it? Was it an emulator or replica because in truth Origin needed another trinity processor to function?
Also Noah's and Mio's reintroduction as soldiers did not get an explanation. There are some plausible theories for Noah but not Mio, who wasn't present for the entirety of FR. The only thing we know is that Nia knew it would happen, so we know that the data reintroduction must have taken place during FR.
Loved it. Just wish the main story was longer. Only complaint
Nietzsche never said anything about the eternal return. He meant, in a very basic sence, that you should live a life that you are proud of and would like to relive again and again and again. The "eternal return" bs was spread by people who had absolutly no idea what they were talking about and then pop culture spread that even further.
It is much more in line with some lines of thinking that Nietzsche actually disliked very much and criticized in his works.
While I will agree that JB did get Eternal Recurrence somewhat wrong, you also got it wrong; also Nietzsche addressed Eternal Recurrence quite a bit in his works as an idea, although it wasn't one I recall him ever writing a specific book about. You both did get some things correct regarding Eternal Recurrence; while Nietzsche did address that one should live a life they are genuinely proud of, Eternal Recurrence was also an idea which was more generally about 'why' human history repeats itself, 'why' people follow the same patterns and moreso why. Also, yeah, there's a lot of Eternal Return bs spread by people who have no clue what they're talking about, and pop culture spreads far too much further. I direct my attention at Xenosaga for relevant example.
@@RudiMyDear True, nice correction
My big question is why are shulk and Rex there in the first place, where they always around since the start of aionos or did the come in just to stop alpha.
I cant tell if this made me less confused or more confused lol
XenoBlade Warriors game when?
Can you tell me what happened to A at last. Is there a possibility that she is alive after it unites?
My thoughts are that N's sword contains particle fragments of logos which is why it glows purple.
That is possible and its something I thought about but I don't know how they'd get them to Melia before she's kidnapped
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They could be the “keys” Nia talks about.
It kinda bums me out that the end of this series is a digital only dlc.
It’s not the end of this series, it’s just the end of the Klaus Saga
So before the collision, Pneuma and Nia already decided to make the power of the Ouroboros even tho they are oblivious to what's about to happen regarding with the Moebius??
Then my question is that why did they chose Ontos as the core of the Origin and not Pneuma??
How long after 1&2 does this take place? What happened to Fiora, Rein, Sharla, Riki, Tora, Morag, and Zeke?
Question 1) So it's unclear as to exactly how much time has passed since the events of both games (because the game does an awful job about sharing ANY information about before Future Redeemed) but it's speculated that the ceremony we see at the beginning of Xenoblade 3 is Melia's 100th Birthday. Specifically, the kids use "We're gonna miss the Queen's Anniversary" which is why this is still uncertain as it may be an Anniversary based on how long she has been in power 🤷♂️
Anyways, the major theory is that it has been roughly 10 years since the events of those games as that would line up with Melia's birthday (roughly) AND be 10 years after she became Queen and was appointed like we see at the end of Future Connected. Again tho, this is only a rough estimate because they're could be an additional 10 or 20 years on top of this also (Based on Shulk and Rex's physical age in Future Redeemed) but we don't know the exact amount of time
Question 2) The original plan for Origin was to let both worlds Collide and Annihilate one another and then Re-Build both worlds again based on the Data Origin had stored inside however, because Z stopped the worlds from completely colliding, Aionios was created instead. We can speculate however that parts of both worlds were Annihilated and thus many people were killed and "Assimilated" into Origin (Which is what the game says) but there MUST have been a safe spot where the worlds hadn't fully collided yet and assuming that Rex, Shulk, Panacea, Linka and Riku were in this area (Along with Melia and Nia), we can assume that they evaded destruction, mostly through sheer luck.
These are my thoughts on the matter at least, simply meaning that the others only remain as the souls within Origin and is the reason they aren't present in Xenoblade 3
@@JBspherefreak thank you so much. I love this game but I honestly didn’t understand the story very well and these vids have helped a lot.
I'm glad my videos were able to help you understand the story better! This game is most certainly convoluted at best and thats not even considering all the stuff we haven't figured out yet. At present, I'm personally waiting on a XC3 Artbook like the ones we got for every other Xenoblade Game as that is our only hope of understanding some aspects of this game better 🤦♂️ For instance, even to this day, I am still trying to figure out and pin down EXACTLY how the events of Noah & Mio's rebirth after N & M occured as there hasn't been any viable answer given as of yet
This series is amazing and xenoblade 3 is the best game in the series foreever
Such a cool ending overall to the Xenoblade saga. I'm glad you touched on the post-credits scene where the two worlds reform into one. Do we know how this happened exactly? I only ask because it was my understanding from the end of the main campaign of XC3 that once Z was defeated that Origin pushed the two worlds back apart again. Did I misunderstand this or was this simply glossed over?
I think the blue star is the white whale landing on Mira
Xenoblade 3 is pretty much the best JRPG I’ve ever played
Great video as always JB. Now go play Xenogears since you've finished FR
Appreciate it and I'm going to soon
13:40 There are 2 noahs because it was made by origin metal and origin is bound by fate and emotions desires etc Lucky Seven is Noah's (N's) regret becoming mobius deep down and Riku forged a Replica sword made of origin metal (Based on N's) and origin in turn made a Copy of Noah.
So where did Riku get the Origin Metal? Origin hadn't fallen and splintered by this point so he would have needed it on hand. Additionally, why was a Noah created Thousands of years later only? It seems rather specific and strange that N & M would have never noticed a Second Noah or Mio for over a Thousand years. This idea has too many holes in it currently and if the base game is anything to go by, its far more likely that this was something set up by both M and Nia
Because Riku was there before the beginning of time Riku simultaneously Witnessed the Creation of Alrest and the Bionis and Mechonis Riku is the Zohar.
Ok but in all seriousness it's not unreasonable to assume that Riku was involved in the construction of origin and it's also possible that Some metal was leftover after it's compilation and likely Used those leftovers to make other things at least that's what my take is
Thats fair but I personally don't see it. Even if the sword is made of Origin Metal and stores some souls within it, the premise that this could trigger Origin to create a second version of not only him but Mio as well seems far'fetched, especially when it appears that Nia was aware of something
Eternam recurrence wasn’t imagined by Nietzche. Its much older.
There were some questions that remained unanswered: Was Melia trapped in Origin when Alpha tried to destroy the world? If Mio is Nia’s daugther, then Mattew and N are Rex’s decendants? Also, I’m still very confused with Shulk and Rex departure to “take a breather” and pass on their dreams.
Rex + Nia = Mio
Mio + Noah = Ghondor
Ghondor + X = X
X + Y = Na'el and Matthew.
Noah, or N is not related to Rex.
Now, Noah/N is Glimmer's brother in law because Mio and Glimmer are half sisters.
And regarding Shulk and Rex, they probably knew that once Origin completed its purpose to restore the world, they would be restored with it. Returning to their normal lives.
I do really hope for this not being the end of the saga... I didn't had the opportunity to play the previous xeno saga, and I left Xenoblade X at the beginning.. I would love to see how the new and reunited worlds looks like, I would like to see all the characters all together in their day-to-day journey or even in a brand new adventure, maybe against a new threat or enemy. I feel linked to the Xenoblade saga, I laught and cried. I DON'T WANT THIS TO END😭
Sadly, this is certainly the end of THIS saga but there will be another one. I can't confirm whether we'll get returning characters or not but this story never truly ends
@@JBspherefreak I do really hope so! We just need to wait a confirmation from Monolith😈
wait so is the after credits scene after the main game takes place? like after noah separated the worlds they came back together again?
Indeed
The Star falling if they use it will be connected to X. They don’t own the rights to Xenosaga. It’s why Xenoblade has been a retelling of the planned story from Gears and Saga since Day 1.
That's not entirely true. Xenoblade 1 was not made as a Xeno game. It only got the moniker after Satoru Iwata suggested it as a kind of tribute to Takahashi's previous works.
@@conorb.1901 I never said it was planned to be a Xeno game. I said it was intended to be a retelling of his original intended story from the start. Which it clearly was.
@Mr Bubbles I disagree. If you line it up next to the likes of Xenosaga and Xenogears, and even the other Xenoblade games, Xenoblade 1 very clearly sticks out as being the least Xeno Xeno game. Yes, it does have some of the same themes as the others, but in my opinion it really shows that it wasn't originally intended to be a Xeno game.
I really needed this video because I am deep in the Xenoblade lore rabbit hole despite not really understanding some of the deeper intricacies. I still don’t understand the ending with the planets merging, is that AFTER the events of base XC3?
Yea, it's not really certain when afterwards (It implies straight away but that not might not be right) cos it could be years down the line but yea
@@JBspherefreak I actually thought that scene was supposed to represent the worlds merging to CREATE Aionios, meaning that kickstarted the events of the game and Moebius. It’s odd that they made the ending of 3 so emotional and they practically instantly reverse it in a silent 10 second post credits in the DLC lol
Basically what they show in the post credits is to let you know “yes, one day they will become one again” so that way the actions of our heroes across all 3 games was not in vain
Ok I’m not sure if this is right or not but I have an idea, I don’t think the true power of ouraboros can be unlocked by the synchronized energy of pneuma and logos, I think they can be unlocked by the synchronized energy’s of the Xenoblade Chronicles 1 and 2 worlds, aka the lucky seven is Xenoblade 1 world and the penuma core crystal the Xenoblade 2 world, I mean they do say that interlinking takes someone from kevas and Agnus for it to happen
Perfect timing I just finished!
If I may I think I know why there are two Noah’s. And your theory actually gave me a thought:… this might sound a little strange but what if like with alpha. Noah is N’s conscious. It might seem weird to say but here’s why I think that. N and Noah both fight very similarly but their attitudes are a little different even back in the past N was eagered and desperate to fight against Mobieus but when we meet Noah even during his first year he was so hesitant he lied that he couldn’t summon a weapon thinking fighting wasn’t the answer even willing signing up that same year to be wn offseer instead of a frontlines soldier. (I know I don’t have full proof he went their his first year but I’m going off of his size and the egg timer. And yes I know he still had to fight even as an offseer but just bare with me.) not only that but think about how N reacts to Noah every time he sees him. He hates Noah with a passion and having seen him with Mathew and his own son in future redeemed like glimmer said he didn’t have that same hate or joy, just regret. And even though Noah mentions he has that I could tell he had hate in his eyes at Noah the same way Alpha had that look at A
*spoiler territory for some who have not gotten this far. You’ve been warned*
this would explain why he got some satisfaction out of seeing Noah miserable in Agnus castle. I imagine his consciousness told him not to go through with his choice but his soul cried out to protect Mio and the now and this caused him to keep going and now here Noah was sad and depressed like N was. This is why when M disappeared and he realized he had lost her he broke down.
Finally the final confrontation if you look back during the first phase Noah the whole time had nothing but pity for N because he knew of N’s mistake and how it lead him down the wrong path. He tries so hard to tell N to let go of the sadness but N still refuses and just fights. Then right before the second phase N saus this line “Your the one who couldn’t protect her. In the end you were powerless” I thought he meant the events at the castle but what if he meant back then when M had died, his consciousness told him it was ok but he wouldn’t accept it.
This would also explain the bright light and the merge between the two. And if that’s the case… if my theory is right then prehaps Mio is M’s consciousness as well and it might be the only way this could happen is through the seeds of regret and hope… but again that’s just my theory about why there are two Noah’s and possibly two Mios.
I want to ask, is there a function of core crystal in glimmer body ?
Possibly but judging by XC3 and how those born from blades don't seem to work like blades, I'd assume not. Myabe they have special powers tied to them but we'll need to wait for future entries
I personally have to disagree about the whole “Ouroboros Power can be only fully manifested when coming into contact with both the Positive and Negative charge” thing because in the ending shot when the liberators are where the current City is found Nikol and Riku are modifying the Ouroboros Stone, stating that if what they’re doing works then, like Glimmer says, “[They’ll] be able to deploy that power whenever [they] like”, “That Power” referring to Interlinking, but Nikol points out that they’ll only be able to empower a few people with it, aka only 6 like we see in the main game.
Im more inclined to believe that the Logos Core (or it’s data or a copy created with the data Logos probably shared with Ontos/Pneuma) is in N’s SHEATH, not the Sword, the Swords (both Lucky Seven and N’s sword) are more like “conduits” for Ontos’s power, and it can take in and amplify both Moebius and Ouroboros power (or be empowered by them would be more accurate, look at the Origin Blades Interlinked Noah and N in Origin use, an Ouroboros and Moebius version of basically the same weapon), like how Ontos takes in information and suggestions from Pneuma (In this reading, the possible source of Ouroboros power, the stones can be explained as Nia’s resonance with Origin Metal allowing her to route Pneuma’s power into the Ouroboros Stone since she basically has admin perms for the side of Origin which would contain the Pneuma core) and Logos (in this reading, Logos would be the source of Moebius, note, in these readings the powers drawn from these cores aren’t anything BUT the power from them, how they’re generated from the emotions inside of Origin is separate, Moebius is simply drawing power from the Logos Core after it came into existence, not that it IS the thing that created moebius) and empowers them/is empowered by them.
Basically, the Sword has actively nothing to do with the ability to Interlink, it was just unlocked later thanks to the data accumulated by the Founders.
Also fun fact, due to the possibility that Matthew’s gauntlets were probably used to make Noah’s Veiled Sword sheath, it’s possible both Swords of the End’s sheathes contain a Trinity Processor core, Pneuma for Noah, Logos for N.
Tl;dr Pneuma Core is probably the source of Ouroboros power, Logos of Moebius power and the Swords amplify/are amplified by said powers since they’re the Ontos of this Trinity.
I see that as being unlikely personally as it wouldn't add up. They needed to bring the power of Ouroboros to completion. Maybe you are right and coming into contact with the Sword of the End ONCE means that they automatically powered it up and got the negative side from it but I'm not sure
Logos also is unlikely to be the Source of Moebius because A) The Core Crystal died at the end of the game and B) Moebius was formed by the negative emotion of people being fed into Origin. It had nothing to do with Logos
@@JBspherefreak i am saying that Moebius is SEPARATE from Logos Core, simply that they draw their power source from it.
Same for Ouroboros, it simply draws power from Pneuma’s core but the core isn’t directly Pneuma, just power drawn from her.
I believe it’s possible Logos’ core was reformed from information it shared with the Ontos/Pneuma cores back before the whole Conduit incident, we’ve seen Trinity cores can be repaired from taking data from other trinity cores, so why can’t a trinity core or an equivalent to it that fills the same role as Logos (so it’d functionally just be Logos again) be created from that Data?
My question is did Klaus only make a pocket dimensions and by that the original universe was not touched. I'll explain so what this means if you was outside the event it would have been a bright light and then you would have just saw these two worlds coming together in seconds . but in XENOBLADE forever would have happened. that means also the white Wale might be coming back
Are you saying that the entire Klaus Saga happened in an instant and that the entire Saga was effectively the endless now?
@@JBspherefreak I'll say yes because if you look at it when it becoming one you see the Mobius sign. At the same time it probably why the white Wale came back and it looked new or why kos-mos fell back down because gravity. At the same time the ending of XCX seems kinda Mobius when you look
I believe that glimmer is both their children fuses
If the swords of the end are like Shulk’s replica monado, could you also compare these to the Zohar emulators from Zeno Saga?
I don't believe so no, although I'm not the most clued up on Xenosaga lore
Hey i really liked that video and your interpretation on the story. I’d ask you to put in more scenes that prove your statements tho. The oroborus being concept thing for example wasn’t stated and needs to be backed up a bit more. I’d love to see more of that and more xenoblade content. 😄
I felt as if the Ouroboros side of things was proven quite substantially in terms of the comparisons between both that and Moebius. Additionally, the reason I can't show anything more to prove my point is that it isn't there. With Xeno Lore, not everything is spelt out to you and sometimes you have to connect the dots yourself. Ouroboros is never stated to be a concept but when you genuinely think about how the power works and how similar it is Moebius, then the it draws you to the answer of it being a concept and everything else makes sense. The only other possibility is that it is some random power the Queens stumble upon by applying their core crystals to Origin metal and BANG the power is made which is kinda ridiculous in my books 😅
Still I appreciate the feedback and will endeavour to improve this in the future
16:58 Uh...Cronos and Zeus came first.
More likely that Takahashi will reboot and fuse into 1 game (or more) Xenoblade X and Xenosaga. It just doesn't work, especially for Xenosaga.
I don't think both are canon in anyway but will be rework to be at some point.
That is also a distinct possibility but we'll have to wait and see
I'm still confused about one thing how did N aka the original Noah entered the system and existed in xeno 3 same for mio
Enter which system? Are you decribing how they're are two Noahs?
@@JBspherefreak yes the cycle system
I'm still looking at the moment (Cos it isn't the Sword Theory Miiks has made a vid on) but it looks like the answer is in the base game. Theres a lot of mention of "True Selves" and both M and Nia being aware of their second version which doesn't line up with FR Lore as Nia is already asleep at the start