I will be interested in your results. I have an Uberti Pocket Navy and a 49 Pocket that exhibited the cap jam problems you've encountered. i personally didn't like using two mainsprings as the action felt very stiff and heavy. Recently I tried Blackie's idea of filing the trigger guard area(under the mainspring screw) to remove the angle. That along with a standard full size SAA mainspring that was slightly shortened to fit has apparently solved my issues, while the guns retain a nice smooth feeling. BTW, regarding what Track said about possibly having to turn down the new cones, I wonder if they weren't referring to the shoulder and not overall length. After purchasing Slix Shot cones for the above two Uberti Pockets I discovered the Slix were a bit bigger diameter around the shoulder than stock Uberti cones and would not fit the smaller nipple well of the Pocket cylinders. I had to turn down that diameter but I believe (??) Slix Shot now makes cones specifically for the Pocket Models.
Mike I do know that their has been some milling changes with the Italian reproduction's over the years. Now I do not know if that applies to the cone's/nipples, but it does apply to other things with all the different gun's and gun makers. I found that out when trying to convert a Pietta 1851 Navy brass frame to a steel frame, because the brass frame is severally damaged. Now that Pietta 1851 Navy .36 brass frame was made in 1972, where as the steel frame Navy is made in 2020 and their is nothing that is the same between the two gun's even though they are supposed to be the same.
Interesting dilemma with the hammer spring. Does anyone know the approximate Rockwell hardness of a factory spring, and exactly what kind of steel they use and what the tempering process is? Also, I wonder if anyone has ever tried to tack weld a sub spring under where the bend starts and re-tempering it. That way, when the hammer falls, there would be a secondary spring forcing the pressure up to support the main spring. It would have to be thin, but it might work. I would be cautious about trying to overload the spring too much, either with too much thickness, or steel too hard for fear it might break the anchor screw that holds it into the bottom of the handle and/or prematurely wear the bolt that holds the hammer in place. All of this is simple speculation, I don’t work on firearms but mechanical stuff like this and fishing reels and folding knives are very interesting to me and many of those items use various springs and levers as well. Thank you for showing all of your detailed work, nice channel 👍
Ive never retempered flat springs but have retempered coil springs. I shortened springs and had to heat and bend a new eye on the end. I experimented with many spring temperatures and fluid I quenched the spring in....air cooled spring had no temper, just stretched out. Water cooled made the spring brittle and broke easily. As I said I tried several wrench fluids..My best results werewith 30 weight motor oil but resulted in alot of smoke and flame. Automatic transmission fluid worked well also with some smoke and no flame. These spring lasted a long time. Almost as long as a factory spring
Looks like a great job Mike! That saw blade seems perfect for the job. I have an old coiled clock spring I’ve used for a number of projects over the years. Don’t know if it would make a good hammer spring but I have some saw blades as well. They are very nice guns and Kind Thanks for sharing your info! I alway look forward to your videos and have learned from them! Happy New Year with Good Dry Lame Beaver Powder! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
I did put up my .36 Remington video today. I would appreciate some feed back and #s on the colts. Now i have some of my own ideas on the spring tension issue.
That's pretty neat Mike 👍👍👍❤
I will be interested in your results. I have an Uberti Pocket Navy and a 49 Pocket that exhibited the cap jam problems you've encountered. i personally didn't like using two mainsprings as the action felt very stiff and heavy. Recently I tried Blackie's idea of filing the trigger guard area(under the mainspring screw) to remove the angle. That along with a standard full size SAA mainspring that was slightly shortened to fit has apparently solved my issues, while the guns retain a nice smooth feeling.
BTW, regarding what Track said about possibly having to turn down the new cones, I wonder if they weren't referring to the shoulder and not overall length. After purchasing Slix Shot cones for the above two Uberti Pockets I discovered the Slix were a bit bigger diameter around the shoulder than stock Uberti cones and would not fit the smaller nipple well of the Pocket cylinders. I had to turn down that diameter but I believe (??) Slix Shot now makes cones specifically for the Pocket Models.
Thanks again for sharing your work. And, Happy New Year to you and yours!
Thank You
Mike I do know that their has been some milling changes with the Italian reproduction's over the years. Now I do not know if that applies to the cone's/nipples, but it does apply to other things with all the different gun's and gun makers. I found that out when trying to convert a Pietta 1851 Navy brass frame to a steel frame, because the brass frame is severally damaged. Now that Pietta 1851 Navy .36 brass frame was made in 1972, where as the steel frame Navy is made in 2020 and their is nothing that is the same between the two gun's even though they are supposed to be the same.
Interesting dilemma with the hammer spring. Does anyone know the approximate Rockwell hardness of a factory spring, and exactly what kind of steel they use and what the tempering process is? Also, I wonder if anyone has ever tried to tack weld a sub spring under where the bend starts and re-tempering it. That way, when the hammer falls, there would be a secondary spring forcing the pressure up to support the main spring. It would have to be thin, but it might work. I would be cautious about trying to overload the spring too much, either with too much thickness, or steel too hard for fear it might break the anchor screw that holds it into the bottom of the handle and/or prematurely wear the bolt that holds the hammer in place. All of this is simple speculation, I don’t work on firearms but mechanical stuff like this and fishing reels and folding knives are very interesting to me and many of those items use various springs and levers as well. Thank you for showing all of your detailed work, nice channel 👍
Ive never retempered flat springs but have retempered coil springs. I shortened springs and had to heat and bend a new eye on the end. I experimented with many spring temperatures and fluid I quenched the spring in....air cooled spring had no temper, just stretched out. Water cooled made the spring brittle and broke easily. As I said I tried several wrench fluids..My best results werewith 30 weight motor oil but resulted in alot of smoke and flame. Automatic transmission fluid worked well also with some smoke and no flame. These spring lasted a long time. Almost as long as a factory spring
Looks like a great job Mike! That saw blade seems perfect for the job. I have an old coiled clock spring I’ve used for a number of projects over the years. Don’t know if it would make a good hammer spring but I have some saw blades as well. They are very nice guns and Kind Thanks for sharing your info! I alway look forward to your videos and have learned from them! Happy New Year with Good Dry Lame Beaver Powder! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Happy New Year to you also
Good luck with a man I am curious how this works out for you
I did put up my .36 Remington video today. I would appreciate some feed back and #s on the colts.
Now i have some of my own ideas on the spring tension issue.
Stronger hammer spring is vital. I’ve measured several original colts … all had significantly stronger springs
Find the percussion revolvers interesting. The poor quality control of Uberti and Pietta cuts my interest in buying one in half. 😢
You should measure screwed in cones not overall lenght
Would the pocket navy spring fit the police?
The both use the same 1849 frame.
@@13bravoredleg18 i should have specified sry, does the bend have any affect ?