it would be really cool if you would continue the table and fill it with various rubbers. Such as the tenergy series ... So you would have a very nice overview of all common rubbers.
The H3 orange sponge and blue sponge are complete different rubber. H3 orange with haifu seamoon boost is more close to a European/Japanese rubber with a tacky surface. (The cheapest H3 version's surface is not as tacky as compared Provincial version, so with booster it's pretty much like a euro/Japanese rubber.) The blue sponge hurricane 3 is probably one of the best forehand rubbers I have ever tried. Especially on Butterfly out-layer blades like Lin Gaoyaun ALC/Zhang Jike ALC/Viscaria Compared to the orange one, 1. Blue sponge's control is extraordinary, it's just so forgiving no matter it's place short or underspin open up or defense! 2. The blue sponge is "low throw" and is able to "absorb spin". When you use blue sponge to catch a super topspin incoming ball, you get much more confident to get it on the table or even attack back. This also give me more confidence in service receive. The orange version doesn't have such "absorb spin" ability, which is why I felt like it's more close to an euro/esn rubber. 3. The "low throw" ability of the blue sponge makes it's suitable for "Chinese Playstyle". You can swing all your power without worrying about the ball will go out of the table. With Tenergy 05, the "big swing" will make the ball out of table. Actually I found out when you hit hard with max power, the blue sponge has more "power" than the orange one. Or I would say the orange sponge will make ball go out of the table with same power. The Blue sponge is also has its problem: 1. Toooo expensive. I found blue sponge easier to break with bubbles if you boost it. Lifespan isn't great if you use boost oil. 2. Not good at smashing high balls, you'd better twiddle to your backhand Euro/ESN rubber. Now I'm still seeking a Euro/ESN rubber which has the same "low throw" & "absorb spin" feeling of the H3 blue sponge, but still don't find the choice. At least now for me the service placement/control of the orange sponge one isn't that great for me.
If you’re still searching for a rubber, I recommend the Friendship 729 Battle II Provincial version. It has a blue sponge and its performance is very good without booster.
I think Harder Euro/ESN rubbers will give you similar characteristics. I.e. Tibhar K3 (53 degree), Xiom Omega VII China Guang (55 degree) or China Ying (60 degree), etc.
@@perthpongtt They're not similar, first these XIOM sticky rubbers are way too heavy, especially the YIng, second the uppert limit of these rubber are not comparable to any national version of H3. K3 and D09c are really great but the durability sucks, the K3's lifespan is terrible, the D09c's sponge has great lifespan but its surface's lifespan sucks. The best I have used are Donic A1 and Xiom C55 so far. Joola Dynaryz ZGR are also good but not as good as A1, ZGR also heavy. Now I'm using Hurricane 3 NEO 40 degree 2.1 national. For me some best rubber there are H3 national 40 degree, H3 provincial 40/41 2.1, D05, Joola Dynaryz ACC, Nittaku G1, Stiga Platinum XH 2.3 (on Truls's version's cyber shape). D09c is amazing but the lifespan(I mean the sticky surface) needs to be improved.
I’m converted!! Been a Victas man for a little while....really liked their products...birthday arrives...treated to Dignics09c both sides of Innerforce ALCs. Absolutely delighted. Waited ages due to expense!!! Feels awesome. Loads of dwell/control. Very impressed. Leo
National or at least a Province version of H3 should be in this test to be more equivalence. Additionally, European players technic doesn't fit H3 as Chinese technic does. However, compliment should be given to TT Daily's efforts to compare them. tqvm.
Maybe hurricane 3 provincial orange sponge 40 or 41 degree with haifu seamoon will overkill the D09C in terms of spin and away from table power. Blue sponge is even better but its durability sucks so I recommend orange sponge.
I personally have different views on this comparison,it's about the body motion habit when hitting the ball,Dan and his partner 's bodies both drew not large enough when playing forehand to pull out the real high performance of Hurricane 3 so they conclude that Dignics 09c is better.However,many Chinese players draw their bodies large enough so they can pull out the real performance of Hurricane 3 and play well,at least that's what I think.😁😁
The top Chinese players are not playing with regular hurricane 3, yes the Chinese have better technique but I promise you the hurricane used by the CNT is much faster then the stuff you buy in the shop.
@@Baraka552 His equipment spec is flying all over the internet. W968 blade, Hurricane on both side, 42 degrees forehand, 37 backhand. Im pretty sure majority of armature players doesn't have the ability to get any quality shots out of this combo. Let alone malong's equipment is probably custom to suit his power, Which its like comparing extra hard bow vs soft bow
@@winsonlu3282 Well, I know those specs but if you mean that his forehand, for example, is too hard and only few able to hit with enough power to break in the sponge - I think I'd be one of those few guys. But never know until he gives me his racket. Also, they say that CNT (including Ma Long ofc) boost their rubbers, so…
So i’m a European who started with a European style using tenergy rubbers, i have since changed to a Chinese/eastern style using dhs hurricane and i must say the difference is huge in the stroke mechanics and angles of contact, trying to use the wrong style with the wrong rubber is just not going to create anything other than incorrect information about the ability of the said rubber. ( your/TTD conclusions are correct for the style you used but the conclusions if you used the technique designed for the rubber would be totally different after engaging the gears available in the h3 rubber ) I use h3 neo on my forehand and tenergy on my backhand, and there is a reason why the Chinese use this combination
Since the poly ball Lots of chinese are now using tacky rubbers on their backhands like ma long. In my opinion 90% of people don't play table tennis at a high enough level to benefit from a tacky rubber. The biggest upside to a tacky rubber by far is how good it is for countering fast or spiny balls, however if you don't play table tennis to a very high level 70% of the people you will play against will be play an awakward play style that is very difficult to counter hit or they give you balls with not enough pace or spin. I am a top middle divison/low first division local league player and even when i've played in the first division only like 40% of the people I play against are conventional attacking players - Tacky rubbers feel so good against them. But then I play terribly against the blockers, the all round players, the flat hitters, the short pimple players, and worst of all, the players who back off the table - it's insanely hard to smash the ball hard enough with tacky rubbers to get it past someone who's competent off the table.
I am glad you pointed out variables that this review doesn't account for to determine which rubber is better. These rubbers are mainly determined by an individual's style of play. So many top players have excelled with rubbers that might not even feature in most top 5 or 10 reviews. DHS offers great rubbers in my opinion, because of how they are all-round whether you are an offensive or defensive player. I have used them for 30 years now, and always advise beginners to start with them before they move on to other rubbers.
I use Dignics 05 and Hurricane 3 Neo on my Viscaria. I like it alot. Like everyone says though, you gotta have good footwork to really utilize Hurricane 3 Neo. You have to be in perfect position for strokes or it is easy to become inconsistent. I am working on this, getting better, but I am fat. lawl
If you're into chinese rubbers, DHS TG3 Neo is also a really interesting rubber. It is harder than H3 Neo. To get speed (unboosted) you should have a very fast blade. To fully enjoy the rubber good footwork is a must. Might be interesting to make a review-video about as well.
Great comparison Dan, but I believe it would be more fair to add H3 Blue Sponge against O9C instead of Orange Sponge Version to the comparison. Happy bday btw.
It would probably be the same. These reviews is like asking a cat to bark. They're European style player so of course they look for different things than a Chinese style player. Likewise with a Chinese style player.
@@morhafsa9788 lmaooooo not “faster” in the sense of “Balls are faster”, but faster in the sense that the “maximum speed” is faster… but RARELY are there Europeans that can hit that fast/hard, so the difference between National and normal is pretty insignificant… if anything they will generate slower speed using National blue lol
You guys play with shorter strokes, when using hurricane you need a bigger stroke (that's how the Chinese utilise the full potential of the rubber), Also the booster can make a difference, 2 layers is ok but you can use black oil haifu seamoon national version + a h3 national blue sponge paired with that will probably give u a better comparison, if not national u can use provincial blue sponge also, bcuz blue sponge is fastest
Not quite accurate for spin department and didn't mention the unusual arc of hurricane which makes it stand out. I am afraid that they aren't capable in maximising the strength of hurricane 3.
the question is how many times in a row you can do your so called full power shot with kick effect using H3 :) In the 2nd hour of training shots get less and less quality. So ... I dont like H3 and dont like D09C. Other Chinese tacky rubbers can be found in the middle of those two
i have tried a national version and a normal one and the national hurricane 3 is faster and gives lot more control.the national hurricane 3 is much better than a normal hurricane 3.
Unlike the europe/japanese tensor, you need to strike more with power. Half strike and half brush, both at the same time in order to engage the sponge & take advantage of the spin quality of H3.
I am a little concerned about this review, I have enjoyed your past reviews a great deal. You are promoting "easy" , "poor form" , "less effort" into a inflated review for any euro rubber let alone dignics. Chinese rubbers speed is directly correlated to power input. it requires a higher skill level and stamina player. The players twiddle to euro rubbers when they can not put maximum effort, because euro rubber has larger spring but caps out, this is also why it's on backhand because you can't not put as. much energy into the backhand as a forehand based on our bodies mechanics. I think these topics should be seriously spoken about, it's misleading.
@@samjason7073 they are promoting less effort. "I give the speed to dignics because you so not need to put as much effort." 1. that's a promotion and acceptance of lazy, 2. wrong. speed goes to Chinese rubber, not to the euro rubber just because you are not phyisclaly capable. There's science backing behind what they are trying to measure, it's not opinion . preference is an opinion.
@@samjason7073 I will openly tell you. I use tenergy over Chinese. I am a big guy and I'm not old, but I'm not early 20s anymore either. I am slower, so I do crutch off euro rubber, but I set myself up with my machine where it's predictable and Chinese rubber is far far stronger. if I was 16 again or when I have a child, they will be learning with Chinese rubber, you are a far better player for it.
@@TripodianTT I have a PhD in material science and engineering, and have been in the field for 11 years now? I must not understand, I mean beyond the fact we have empirical data on it since we were in a slow period during covid with nothing to do. But yes you know it all. Let's even ignore that, you clearly did not read my review. take your time and read before you respond it's a typing medium, you don't need to add word vomit.
@@ericmendoza4651I know I am 3 years late but imagine being wrong after so many paragraphs. While less catapulty rubbers need more work put into them of course pros litteralys twiddle to euro rubber because it is easier to smash with it. Some Chinese player litteralys said this in interviews.
In addition to the Hurrican 3: The harder you hit the ball, the faster is the Ball. Big difference between european and chinese rubbers. Chinese rubbers dont have a speed maximum and european have one. In addition you maybe should have included that in your review. Exept for that it is a great review
National versions of the Hurricane or Skyline series usually have a very hard sponge and they're super slow when they're not being boosted. I have played with a stock national H3 and it was super slow. After boosting it was uncontrollably fast. You can be sure that all of the chinese players, who still use these rubbers are boosting them.
@@lgeiger H3 comes with a range of sponge hardnesses. The commercial H3 (tested in this review) comes most often with 40 degrees hardness (but other options do exist). The provincial and national versions offer broader ranges - as soft as 36 degrees and also harder than 40. So National doesn’t, in general, imply a harder sponge. Some CNT players seem to be using the 41 degree hardness (Lin Gaoyuan) and others 39 or even 37 (ML is said to use 39 on FH and 37 on BH). My experience going from 5 years on Tenergies to H3 was that I had to adjust my strokes a lot. But once I contact the ball well in loops, the ball catapults faster and with more spin than what I could get from Tenergies. For flat hits/blocks Tenergy would be much faster indeed, there is no workaround there :-)
you've got to remember guys that it can take at least a couple of weeks of play to start to get the H3 speed going. Try it, it makes a great deal of difference.
There are 2 major problems with this test: 1. It should be the D09C with 1 or 2 layers of Falco Platinum booster vs the H3 Neo National Blue Sponge 40 degrees with FOUR layers of Haifu Sea Moon National Yellow booster. And 2. You have to use both of them in black, as Chinese rubbers play differently from red to black. Black is considerably more spinny and the red is a bit faster and harder feeling. Anyway, the National Blue Sponges don't come in red. When you do that comparison, you tell me which one wins each category. I GUARANTEE that the boosted H3 Neo National Blue Sponge 40 degrees whips the D09C's arse, even for you Butterfly shills. And that's really the biggest problem here. Why would you choose the commercial H3 Neo vs D09C. Someone who is thinking of getting D09C wouldn't be considering the commercial H3 Neo against it. They'd be considering a National Blue Sponge, as D09C and H3 Neo National Blue Sponge are about the same price. This right here is some hardcore Butterfly shilling, which TTD can't seem to stop doing. All the ratings for blades and for rubbers are embarrassingly in favor of Butterfly products. I own, or have owned like 90% of the stuff on those charts. And I don't have any biases towards any companies, good or bad. That's how i know how hard TTD are shilling for Butterfly. And how could they not? They do business with Butterfly and Dan uses a Butterfly blade, Butterfly rubbers, and even Butterfly shoes, even though he'd play better with a different blade and rubbers, and his shoes are fugly as shite. Plus, his shoes never match anything he wears. TRY MIZUNO, DAN! And guys, just announce that you favor Butterfly products for whatever reasons you would like to admit, and just stop lying to people. It's so shady to do that. I cannot imagine how many amateurs have gone and wasted money on the extremely overpriced Butterfly stuff just because they saw you guys talk Butterfly's stuff up in an extremely biased way. I've recently watched a bunch of your equipment reviews and I've found what I would expect to find from someone who knows they're biased and are being deceptive about it. You guys almost never say anything remotely negative about something from Butterfly. Instead, you'll frame things as a preference type thing. Whereas with any other company, you clearly frame things as drawbacks when you talk about the negatives. Please just be honest, or just start being fair and not favoring Butterfly.
Maybe they just wanted to H3 instead of the H3 Neo National b/c they wanted to see how the budget rubber is compared to a reference rubber. Also this test isnt about "what is the best rubber in the world - everything else is trash". It was just "there are 3 famous rubbers. let us compare them".
I bought a sheet of hurricane to try at practise on Monday. Beware once you open the packet it really stinks, open it in the garden, I'll let you know how it plays as I normally use tennergy 05fx Now played with it tonight at practise, its great . Yes not as fast as Tenergy but control is very good. Great value for money. Buy from amazon, its the cheapest
I use the 09c on both sides of my Zhang Jike Super ZLC....i absolutely LOVE this rubber! Combines Tenergy 05 with Hurricane 3 in my opinion... just slightly less then each of them separately. Butterfly outdid themselves this time around.
High-tension rubber like Dignics/Tenergy series has a limit on spin & speed which means that no matter how hard you hit, there is still a threshold of spin & speed. On the other hand, hard tacky rubber or Chinese Rubber such as H3, 729 Batte II, etc do not have that limit, the harder you hit, the more spin & speed you got, that's why Chinese players prefer it so that they can hit as hard as they can, usually they include their whole body into the stroke to make it more powerful. Moreover, hard tacky rubbers are more linear than high tension ones, thus it helps to land the ball on the table even though you hit super hard. However, you cannot do the same with high-tension rubber, the ball will mostly go out of the table when you hit hard. Next, the hard sponge is less sensitive to the spin which helps to counter-attack, receive serves, and control the ball much easier but the hard sponge is difficult to spin the ball on itself, that's why they add the tacky top sheet to spin the ball easier. Last but not least, hard tacky rubbers require you to have good technique & footwork, if you don't be in a comfortable position to hit the ball or hit the ball with a small force, it will go into the net immediately. This is where the high-tension rubber shine, you can generate enough spin & speed even though you are out of the position or hit the ball softly Most amateur players including me cannot compare with the professional ones in terms of technique, force, and footwork that why we hardly see the differences between hard tacky rubber & high-tension rubber. With a small force, the high-tension is clearly the winner in terms of speed & spin but with the larger force that most of the professional players had, hard tacky rubber is the winner. And of course, larger force requires good technique (including whole body, power-from-the-ground, etc), and footwork (you can run around the table, and hit hard in every position :))). Chinese players usually train very hard at their young age with hard tacky hard rubber so that they can hit the ball as hard as they can, they learn how to spin the ball by their techniques without the help of the rubbers.
As far as my experience goes with these rubbers (not that much) with the butterfly it's easy to get OK shots with not so OK technique, so it's easy to develop the wrong technique. But with a great technique, the hurricane shots become so much better, that when you focus on technique, these rubbers carry you to victory!
@@pablominnaro3502 still more affordable than those of tenergies, at least in my country. I've got my provincial blue spinge at around 60-70% of tenergy price
@@errizashalahuddin5969 Well in this case u make a point. Prices are higher in my country due to taxes I guess. Still, H3 is my favourite rubber by far !
I have rakza Z on Backhand and rakza 9 on forehand, the Best thing i can say as advice is dont buy rakza 9 if you like to play with a lot of spin as its primarily very very speedy, rakza Z is phenomenal to me, it has spin and speed as well as super control imo, reccomend 100%
It is normal that for you the dignics are better if your usual rubbers are European. You take advantage of the dignics because you are used to it but the bad thing is that you do not take advantage of the potential of the Chinese tires because they are very different tires with different game purposes and if the comparison is made by two players who play with European tires it is obvious what the winning rubber. For me, the video was good and entertaining, but when it comes to the comparison, bad from my point of view. I think you should have brought someone who plays with Chinese rubber instead of two players who play with European rubber.
You guys are really amazing am loving your tips and tricks. Kindly bring more of them as they are very fruitful and we need more of them to improve our game and take it to the next level.
Hurricane‘s sponge needs to be glued in a special way to manifest its true power,only Chinese Pros know that secret XD. There are 3 different levels of Hurricanes in China -amateur(普狂）,province(省狂）and national(国狂）.The national Hurricane is as expensive as D05 in Chinese market,and it is been used by many legendary Chinese players in different generations,WangLiqin was a big fan of it,even his blade is Hurricane too.FanZhengdong even use both sides of it on his blade. As you can see,they both are players who has super forehand with super high quality,consistency and control XD. By the way,Hurricane’s sponge also have got two different styles,the Orange and hard Blue,which one to use depends on how powerful you are,Chinese national players are basically hard blue users.
Great review guys but you didn't talk about hardness. Also there are others hurricane 3, provincial and national! (orange and blue sponge), take note that blue sponge is harder and faster.
David Hessling for people who know Em ra Thich European rubbers actually is slower because of how it’s higher throw arc forces player to hit high spiny balls with little kick effect. I still think that Asian rubbers are still better despite butterfly’s attempt to make it harder and lower throw arc.
@@wdzsjsjw Yes they are Japanese. And their rubbers are different from the European ones. Pretty much every European brand makes their rubbers at ESN Tensor that's why Tibhar Andro Donic Joola(All German) Xiom(Korean) Stiga(Sweden) and some Chinese brands have some made in the ESN Factory rubber like DHS's Goldarc 8 for example or Palio's Macro era they are all mostly the same. The only non-Chinese bigger brands that still don't use the ESN Tensor are I believe Butterfly, Nittaku (both Japan) and Yasaka(Sweden)
@@Goriaas What are differences between European and Japanese rubbers? European only ESN, Japenese sometimes spring effect with, without medium tacky surface and tacky surface without spring effect?
Great comparison in general. There's just a slight point which is the forehand technique in China is different from EU so it needs time to adjust to the Chinese style rubbers(if you're into the better performance out of it). That is also part of the reasons why Chinese players stick to hurricane 3 even if they need to boost it. They were trained with it since kids and already got used to it.
With Chinese forehand technique, hurricane 3 gives a slightly weirder arc after bouncing off the table. And for me who take table tennis as a hobby, a better choice is to go with the 39 degree stiffness, which is easier to control.
Also, Hurricane 3 the amount of spin potential is much more, especially with the topspin rallies and the right technique. (power from the ground technique)
Competitive player here (swiss 3rd league). I changed from Dignics09c to Hurricans 2 years ago. Had to work a lot to change my fh technic, adapting to hurricans. One thing i can definitely say. Since the hurrican is more taky and slower, its easier to vary your spin. You can do very heavy, medium or even kind of flat- hit it with a topspin kind of mechanic leaving the ball with rarely any spin. Also since the hurrican has more control, it helps big time when being in a top-to- top situation but on the defensive side of it. You can go all out, counter top. Or you can go medium, or even just use your wrist creating a high arc relativ slow spin ball that lands mid table. For this ball your opponent needs to do 2/3 steps forward usually (from top-to top position medium range), and if he doesnt hit a very good one, you'll have very nice angles to play a straight point on this. The pivot into fh from bh side to bh is the chinese classic in situation like that and the hurrican strives for stuff like that. Same goes to blocking. You can dose your blocks much easier than with Dignics. Also short to short, flicks etc. Same thing. More variation is possible with lesser need of 'perfect technic' everytime. On the counterside of that, if you wanna play a killshot with Hurricans (no matter form top-to-top, flick etc) it needs a lot of athleticism since the rubber is compairably slow. You really need to 'throw' you whole body into the shot. Thats why in chinese technic, they tend to swing their full arm, including the shoulders. Very different technic really. Once you learn these bombs, they are very hard to block. Everybody of my club says i dont produce the most spin, but when i go full, the ball is very hard to block. That being said, you need to train your athleticism in order to make the Hurrican work. I go 2x a week to the gym. Training leg coordination, explosivity, maximal strengh (deadlifts, hip thrusts etc), strengh endurance and a lot of cardio aswell❤
Would have really liked to see a comparison with the national rubbers. If the comparison is so favorable with that version, should we expect to see many CNT players switch their forehand rubber?
The difference and biggest advantage to hurricane 3 is the throw angle. If you watch the spin comparison again, notice how much higher the ball is over the net when using the o9c vs Hurricane 3.
Why TTD selectively review mostly on Butterfly rubbers (many are untouched yet, eg Donic series except M1, Nittaku Fast Arc series, Yasaka Razka series, many more are not there), why they ignore/ selectively answer most of the important questions asked in the comment box?
For a lot of Chinese Rubbers, you really need to be fundamentally sound to produce good shots. Therefore, if top amateur and the second tier professionals like Dan and Tom have to use two layers of boosters to get remotely similar effects as the Dignics. Given once you use the boosters, you shorten the life of the rubbers considerably. So really, over the long haul, it will cost the same, if not more overtime to replace the Hurricane at least twice as the Dignics. In that case, Dignics will be the better choice over the lifetime. Or better yet, do your homework to get something similar to the Dignics at slightly lower the price to get the best of both worlds. Just my two cents.
Makes sense maybe. D05 here costs 130, H3 Neo costs 30 + booster. Price wise very similar. Its just you get the feeling of new sheet on your blade 4 times more often. Another factor you might use D05 on both sides, while its not so common to use H3 on the backhand. However the winning combination is another rubber which does not require boosting and still costs just 40 :))
how is the 90c compare with the Nittaku Hurricane Turbo orange/blue? I think those are more comparable to the 90c since it is same kind of hybrid. The only drawback is the weight of the Nit Turbo series, super heavy
For h, normally you need 3 layer of boosting(remember to buy Chinese brand booster). It will definitely damage the rubber after sometime but it's still much cheaper compare to T or D.
I am using both of these rubbers, Hurricane 3 on forehand and Dignics 09C on backhand on the fan zhendong ALC, it is just such an amazing combination. There is a reason fan zhendong himself uses this rubber combination, the extra power of dignics 09C on the backhand help make up for the weakness of the biomechanics of the shot, and hurricane 3 is just the best forehand rubber in existance if you like to hit the ball hard and win with strength, the power and pace plus the incredible control is just unmatched. There is no top end to how much power you can add, whereas with euro rubbers everything will just fly long if you hit hard and try to add pace.
Did you already test any blue sponge version of hurricane 3 or hurricane 3 neo? Orange sponge is known as being dead and unplayable without a lot of tuning....
The rating system is great. Are you going to go back and give ratings to the rubbers you have already reviewed? And Dan, you gotta try Yasaka Rakza Z man. I would love to hear what you thought of it
Can you also please do a review about DHS TG3 or Skyline 3 National blue sponge. Those rubbers were used by top penholders like Ma Lin, Wang Hao and Xu Xin. I'm just wondering if they can be equip on shakehand blades. Thank you so much.
You're probably aware the national team uses blue sponge H3 not the typical consumer packaged H3 orange sponge (not the same). I mean the chinese have dominated for years with H3, its definitely a proven rubber. While i havent used dignics yet, I have long used national H3 and its an absolute joy to use for someone like me who like to counter back away from the table.
I wonder if the stregnth you gain from playing with this rubber will make it better in the long run because it has more spin potential when your topspin ability increases. What if you just dont experience its potential without playing with it for a long time?
Welcome return and great review, I'd love to see some yasaka rubbers tested the razka x and 7 are really popular at my club the new rakza z looks awesome too.
dan definitely does not have "power from the ground" synergy or dynamics, and his play style seems more suited to euro-rubbers that produce more power. Hurricane seems more suited to players that generate their own power, thus giving them masterful control of all aspects of the shot. tom's style adheres more to Chinese methods as there is more fluidity and synergy in his legs and overall rotation. i think his style is better suited for hurricane. But, if you're used to the rubber doing most of the work for you, the transition can be an awkward one.
hi) can you some day make a comparison some rubbers with national hurricane 3? There a lot of differences between commercial and national versions of hurricane 3
it s more like 18 vs 105 in US. So a comparison is weird haha:). I d love to have the comparison between tenergy 05 at that price level. That being said having a scale definitely would help the viewers when it s time to purchase or try equipment so I applaud you for that
Let’s be honest here Hurricane 3 needs a specific kind of technique to use it to its fullest but Dan and Tom do not use it so much so they can’t really say how better Dignics is compared to Hurricane 3. There is a reason that the whole china and their national team uses Hurricane and other player can’t even get used to it if they try to adapt to it
As others have pointed out, the comparison does not make sense. Chinese rubbers are for Chinese style only. I think all major brands are now producing European rubbers with sticky top-sheet which are even few Euros cheaper - therefore you may want to test these instead.
I really like the TTD Rubber Ratings table. Well done. Will be usefull for me to choose between Stiga DNA Pro S M H vs Raksa 7 if you make the comparison too, would you? Thank you
Iv played with non boosted H3 for 2 seasons now, the black H3 has more spin than red H3 for some reason, also the tackiness lasts longer, there’s probably something in it as all the top Chinese players use black rubbers on the forehand, i use H3 on the forehand and donic desto F3 on the backhand, H3 is fantastic for serving short and spiny then coming in 3rd ball with heavy top spin, up until I switched always played with European style rubbers but I encourage everyone to try a Chinese style rubbers at least once as it changed my game for the better 👍
Bel lavoro... Vedo sempre con piacere le vostre recensioni. Vi chiederei, se fosse possibile per le prossime volte, di includere anche le vostre impressioni (o misurazioni) sul peso della gomma e sulla durezza. Stavolta, poi, il confronto era fatto con una gomma boosterizzata, che a quanto mi risulta non è regolare. Sarebbe interessante il confronto senza nessun additivo...
@@dusanvolkar3735 Yes ,you are both right, I just watched it again and it is Neo, I don`t think TTD realised it was Neo. It`s already factory boosted so I am surprised it didn`t play quicker.
If you use the rubbers the way they're supposed to, you'll get a totally different result. But if you play the same way with both rubbers, you'll get this result :) To get the most out of the Hurricane 3 do like Ma Long for example. ruclips.net/video/QqGJA2lqrzE/видео.html . Totally different looping game, and then you get the speed...
Thanks for all your support guys we've just hit 200k subscribers! What do you guys think of the new TTD Rating system? 🔥
Kenta Matsudaira alc blade review please or Peter korbel offensive blade :)
It's definitely more clear how rubbers do perform. But I didn't get one thing, at what level of player you recommend this rubbers?
Pls new butterfly rubber abyss. and some DHS blades pls.
it would be really cool if you would continue the table and fill it with various rubbers. Such as the tenergy series ... So you would have a very nice overview of all common rubbers.
JG - 11ZZ - Stephen Lewis SS (2682) yes. He said two layers of booster.
The H3 orange sponge and blue sponge are complete different rubber. H3 orange with haifu seamoon boost is more close to a European/Japanese rubber with a tacky surface. (The cheapest H3 version's surface is not as tacky as compared Provincial version, so with booster it's pretty much like a euro/Japanese rubber.)
The blue sponge hurricane 3 is probably one of the best forehand rubbers I have ever tried. Especially on Butterfly out-layer blades like Lin Gaoyaun ALC/Zhang Jike ALC/Viscaria
Compared to the orange one,
1. Blue sponge's control is extraordinary, it's just so forgiving no matter it's place short or underspin open up or defense!
2. The blue sponge is "low throw" and is able to "absorb spin". When you use blue sponge to catch a super topspin incoming ball, you get much more confident to get it on the table or even attack back. This also give me more confidence in service receive. The orange version doesn't have such "absorb spin" ability, which is why I felt like it's more close to an euro/esn rubber.
3. The "low throw" ability of the blue sponge makes it's suitable for "Chinese Playstyle". You can swing all your power without worrying about the ball will go out of the table. With Tenergy 05, the "big swing" will make the ball out of table. Actually I found out when you hit hard with max power, the blue sponge has more "power" than the orange one. Or I would say the orange sponge will make ball go out of the table with same power.
The Blue sponge is also has its problem:
1. Toooo expensive. I found blue sponge easier to break with bubbles if you boost it. Lifespan isn't great if you use boost oil.
2. Not good at smashing high balls, you'd better twiddle to your backhand Euro/ESN rubber.
Now I'm still seeking a Euro/ESN rubber which has the same "low throw" & "absorb spin" feeling of the H3 blue sponge, but still don't find the choice. At least now for me the service placement/control of the orange sponge one isn't that great for me.
This is very TRUE. You have to use the Haifu Boost for the blue ones too. It is simply the best rubber created.
how much whould you say does hurricane depend on boosting (qualitywise)?
If you’re still searching for a rubber, I recommend the Friendship 729 Battle II Provincial version. It has a blue sponge and its performance is very good without booster.
I think Harder Euro/ESN rubbers will give you similar characteristics. I.e. Tibhar K3 (53 degree), Xiom Omega VII China Guang (55 degree) or China Ying (60 degree), etc.
@@perthpongtt They're not similar, first these XIOM sticky rubbers are way too heavy, especially the YIng, second the uppert limit of these rubber are not comparable to any national version of H3. K3 and D09c are really great but the durability sucks, the K3's lifespan is terrible, the D09c's sponge has great lifespan but its surface's lifespan sucks. The best I have used are Donic A1 and Xiom C55 so far. Joola Dynaryz ZGR are also good but not as good as A1, ZGR also heavy. Now I'm using Hurricane 3 NEO 40 degree 2.1 national.
For me some best rubber there are H3 national 40 degree, H3 provincial 40/41 2.1, D05, Joola Dynaryz ACC, Nittaku G1, Stiga Platinum XH 2.3 (on Truls's version's cyber shape). D09c is amazing but the lifespan(I mean the sticky surface) needs to be improved.
I’m converted!! Been a Victas man for a little while....really liked their products...birthday arrives...treated to Dignics09c both sides of Innerforce ALCs. Absolutely delighted. Waited ages due to expense!!! Feels awesome. Loads of dwell/control. Very impressed. Leo
Finally after a long wait , it's here , an equipment review 🔥🙌
National or at least a Province version of H3 should be in this test to be more equivalence. Additionally, European players technic doesn't fit H3 as Chinese technic does. However, compliment should be given to TT Daily's efforts to compare them. tqvm.
Maybe hurricane 3 provincial orange sponge 40 or 41 degree with haifu seamoon will overkill the D09C in terms of spin and away from table power. Blue sponge is even better but its durability sucks so I recommend orange sponge.
oh you so smart
I personally have different views on this comparison,it's about the body motion habit when hitting the ball,Dan and his partner 's bodies both drew not large enough when playing forehand to pull out the real high performance of Hurricane 3 so they conclude that Dignics 09c is better.However,many Chinese players draw their bodies large enough so they can pull out the real performance of Hurricane 3 and play well,at least that's what I think.😁😁
I agree. The amateur players (like us) are unable to use the full potencial of chinese rubbers.
Bro I m a penholder will Hurricane 3 neo more suited to me if I use it on carbon blade...
@@RAPPOSIR Bro maybe try skyline, i think its better than hurricane for penhold player. Both Xuxin and malin use that
Yea, they couldnt even create the high pitch sound of H3N.
The top Chinese players are not playing with regular hurricane 3, yes the Chinese have better technique but I promise you the hurricane used by the CNT is much faster then the stuff you buy in the shop.
hurricane 3, aka the extension of Ma Long's arm
He has custom Hurricane rubber.
@@wb6012 and its way more harder to play with compare to the commercial version.
@@winsonlu3282 What do you mean by harder to play? Also, how do you know?
@@Baraka552 His equipment spec is flying all over the internet. W968 blade, Hurricane on both side, 42 degrees forehand, 37 backhand. Im pretty sure majority of armature players doesn't have the ability to get any quality shots out of this combo. Let alone malong's equipment is probably custom to suit his power,
Which its like comparing extra hard bow vs soft bow
@@winsonlu3282 Well, I know those specs but if you mean that his forehand, for example, is too hard and only few able to hit with enough power to break in the sponge - I think I'd be one of those few guys. But never know until he gives me his racket.
Also, they say that CNT (including Ma Long ofc) boost their rubbers, so…
So i’m a European who started with a European style using tenergy rubbers, i have since changed to a Chinese/eastern style using dhs hurricane and i must say the difference is huge in the stroke mechanics and angles of contact, trying to use the wrong style with the wrong rubber is just not going to create anything other than incorrect information about the ability of the said rubber. ( your/TTD conclusions are correct for the style you used but the conclusions if you used the technique designed for the rubber would be totally different after engaging the gears available in the h3 rubber )
I use h3 neo on my forehand and tenergy on my backhand, and there is a reason why the Chinese use this combination
Since the poly ball Lots of chinese are now using tacky rubbers on their backhands like ma long.
In my opinion 90% of people don't play table tennis at a high enough level to benefit from a tacky rubber.
The biggest upside to a tacky rubber by far is how good it is for countering fast or spiny balls, however if you don't play table tennis to a very high level 70% of the people you will play against will be play an awakward play style that is very difficult to counter hit or they give you balls with not enough pace or spin.
I am a top middle divison/low first division local league player and even when i've played in the first division only like 40% of the people I play against are conventional attacking players - Tacky rubbers feel so good against them.
But then I play terribly against the blockers, the all round players, the flat hitters, the short pimple players, and worst of all, the players who back off the table - it's insanely hard to smash the ball hard enough with tacky rubbers to get it past someone who's competent off the table.
I am glad you pointed out variables that this review doesn't account for to determine which rubber is better. These rubbers are mainly determined by an individual's style of play. So many top players have excelled with rubbers that might not even feature in most top 5 or 10 reviews. DHS offers great rubbers in my opinion, because of how they are all-round whether you are an offensive or defensive player. I have used them for 30 years now, and always advise beginners to start with them before they move on to other rubbers.
I use Dignics 05 and Hurricane 3 Neo on my Viscaria. I like it alot. Like everyone says though, you gotta have good footwork to really utilize Hurricane 3 Neo. You have to be in perfect position for strokes or it is easy to become inconsistent. I am working on this, getting better, but I am fat. lawl
Do you boost your hurricane ?
I own both of these rubbers and I prefer the hurricane 3 because it is definitely easier to override the opponents spin.
well hurroicane requires such a different technique if youre european because its a chinese rubber.
If you're into chinese rubbers, DHS TG3 Neo is also a really interesting rubber. It is harder than H3 Neo. To get speed (unboosted) you should have a very fast blade. To fully enjoy the rubber good footwork is a must.
Might be interesting to make a review-video about as well.
Great comparison Dan, but I believe it would be more fair to add H3 Blue Sponge against O9C instead of Orange Sponge Version to the comparison. Happy bday btw.
That right, H3 national 40/41° blue sponge (boosted)
It would probably be the same. These reviews is like asking a cat to bark. They're European style player so of course they look for different things than a Chinese style player. Likewise with a Chinese style player.
@@christianwu1309 The provencial and national versions are a bit faster. Though I've never used them myself. I'm thinking of trying Rakza Z
it doesnt really matter, since they dont use the chinese technique, so they will never get 100% out of the hurricane
@@morhafsa9788 lmaooooo not “faster” in the sense of “Balls are faster”, but faster in the sense that the “maximum speed” is faster… but RARELY are there Europeans that can hit that fast/hard, so the difference between National and normal is pretty insignificant… if anything they will generate slower speed using National blue lol
You guys play with shorter strokes, when using hurricane you need a bigger stroke (that's how the Chinese utilise the full potential of the rubber), Also the booster can make a difference, 2 layers is ok but you can use black oil haifu seamoon national version + a h3 national blue sponge paired with that will probably give u a better comparison, if not national u can use provincial blue sponge also, bcuz blue sponge is fastest
True
You can’t use boosters at official ittf tournaments can you?
@@robin0910 boosters aren´t detectable
Not quite accurate for spin department and didn't mention the unusual arc of hurricane which makes it stand out. I am afraid that they aren't capable in maximising the strength of hurricane 3.
They are not use to it.. to use hundred percent of h3 rubber is to use the whole body with full swing stroke..
@@PilyongInggo Im not doing full swing strokes like ma long but I still get good results with my h3 nat
the question is how many times in a row you can do your so called full power shot with kick effect using H3 :) In the 2nd hour of training shots get less and less quality. So ... I dont like H3 and dont like D09C. Other Chinese tacky rubbers can be found in the middle of those two
I don't like tacky rubber as well, but I think they didn't do the justice either
They are both amazing rubbers for good control and spin!
I guess you should bring in the national blue sponge or at least a provincial version
Probably somewhat bias to earn butterfly a few customers
Yes
i have tried a national version and a normal one and the national hurricane 3 is faster and gives lot more control.the national hurricane 3 is much better than a normal hurricane 3.
It's hard to purchase it here in Europe.
@@paulbismuth10 I understand. This is already a great review. I was just thinking that the national or provincial version would be more comparable.
Unlike the europe/japanese tensor, you need to strike more with power. Half strike and half brush, both at the same time in order to engage the sponge & take advantage of the spin quality of H3.
I am a little concerned about this review, I have enjoyed your past reviews a great deal. You are promoting "easy" , "poor form" , "less effort" into a inflated review for any euro rubber let alone dignics. Chinese rubbers speed is directly correlated to power input. it requires a higher skill level and stamina player. The players twiddle to euro rubbers when they can not put maximum effort, because euro rubber has larger spring but caps out, this is also why it's on backhand because you can't not put as. much energy into the backhand as a forehand based on our bodies mechanics. I think these topics should be seriously spoken about, it's misleading.
@@samjason7073 the same principles apply to h3 commercial version. It can generate a lot of power with the right technique
@@samjason7073 they are promoting less effort. "I give the speed to dignics because you so not need to put as much effort." 1. that's a promotion and acceptance of lazy, 2. wrong. speed goes to Chinese rubber, not to the euro rubber just because you are not phyisclaly capable. There's science backing behind what they are trying to measure, it's not opinion . preference is an opinion.
@@samjason7073 I will openly tell you. I use tenergy over Chinese. I am a big guy and I'm not old, but I'm not early 20s anymore either. I am slower, so I do crutch off euro rubber, but I set myself up with my machine where it's predictable and Chinese rubber is far far stronger. if I was 16 again or when I have a child, they will be learning with Chinese rubber, you are a far better player for it.
@@TripodianTT I have a PhD in material science and engineering, and have been in the field for 11 years now? I must not understand, I mean beyond the fact we have empirical data on it since we were in a slow period during covid with nothing to do. But yes you know it all.
Let's even ignore that, you clearly did not read my review. take your time and read before you respond it's a typing medium, you don't need to add word vomit.
@@ericmendoza4651I know I am 3 years late but imagine being wrong after so many paragraphs. While less catapulty rubbers need more work put into them of course pros litteralys twiddle to euro rubber because it is easier to smash with it. Some Chinese player litteralys said this in interviews.
In addition to the Hurrican 3: The harder you hit the ball, the faster is the Ball. Big difference between european and chinese rubbers. Chinese rubbers dont have a speed maximum and european have one. In addition you maybe should have included that in your review. Exept for that it is a great review
National versions of the Hurricane or Skyline series usually have a very hard sponge and they're super slow when they're not being boosted. I have played with a stock national H3 and it was super slow. After boosting it was uncontrollably fast. You can be sure that all of the chinese players, who still use these rubbers are boosting them.
@@lgeiger Yes, although the Neo verison is factory-preboosted, it is not the same as using oil booster.
@@lgeiger H3 comes with a range of sponge hardnesses. The commercial H3 (tested in this review) comes most often with 40 degrees hardness (but other options do exist). The provincial and national versions offer broader ranges - as soft as 36 degrees and also harder than 40. So National doesn’t, in general, imply a harder sponge. Some CNT players seem to be using the 41 degree hardness (Lin Gaoyuan) and others 39 or even 37 (ML is said to use 39 on FH and 37 on BH). My experience going from 5 years on Tenergies to H3 was that I had to adjust my strokes a lot. But once I contact the ball well in loops, the ball catapults faster and with more spin than what I could get from Tenergies. For flat hits/blocks Tenergy would be much faster indeed, there is no workaround there :-)
you've got to remember guys that it can take at least a couple of weeks of play to start to get the H3 speed going. Try it, it makes a great deal of difference.
There are 2 major problems with this test: 1. It should be the D09C with 1 or 2 layers of Falco Platinum booster vs the H3 Neo National Blue Sponge 40 degrees with FOUR layers of Haifu Sea Moon National Yellow booster. And 2. You have to use both of them in black, as Chinese rubbers play differently from red to black. Black is considerably more spinny and the red is a bit faster and harder feeling. Anyway, the National Blue Sponges don't come in red.
When you do that comparison, you tell me which one wins each category. I GUARANTEE that the boosted H3 Neo National Blue Sponge 40 degrees whips the D09C's arse, even for you Butterfly shills.
And that's really the biggest problem here. Why would you choose the commercial H3 Neo vs D09C. Someone who is thinking of getting D09C wouldn't be considering the commercial H3 Neo against it. They'd be considering a National Blue Sponge, as D09C and H3 Neo National Blue Sponge are about the same price.
This right here is some hardcore Butterfly shilling, which TTD can't seem to stop doing. All the ratings for blades and for rubbers are embarrassingly in favor of Butterfly products. I own, or have owned like 90% of the stuff on those charts. And I don't have any biases towards any companies, good or bad. That's how i know how hard TTD are shilling for Butterfly. And how could they not? They do business with Butterfly and Dan uses a Butterfly blade, Butterfly rubbers, and even Butterfly shoes, even though he'd play better with a different blade and rubbers, and his shoes are fugly as shite. Plus, his shoes never match anything he wears. TRY MIZUNO, DAN!
And guys, just announce that you favor Butterfly products for whatever reasons you would like to admit, and just stop lying to people. It's so shady to do that. I cannot imagine how many amateurs have gone and wasted money on the extremely overpriced Butterfly stuff just because they saw you guys talk Butterfly's stuff up in an extremely biased way. I've recently watched a bunch of your equipment reviews and I've found what I would expect to find from someone who knows they're biased and are being deceptive about it. You guys almost never say anything remotely negative about something from Butterfly. Instead, you'll frame things as a preference type thing. Whereas with any other company, you clearly frame things as drawbacks when you talk about the negatives.
Please just be honest, or just start being fair and not favoring Butterfly.
Maybe they just wanted to H3 instead of the H3 Neo National b/c they wanted to see how the budget rubber is compared to a reference rubber.
Also this test isnt about "what is the best rubber in the world - everything else is trash". It was just "there are 3 famous rubbers. let us compare them".
I bought a sheet of hurricane to try at practise on Monday. Beware once you open the packet it really stinks, open it in the garden, I'll let you know how it plays as I normally use tennergy 05fx
Now played with it tonight at practise, its great . Yes not as fast as Tenergy but control is very good. Great value for money. Buy from amazon, its the cheapest
I use the 09c on both sides of my Zhang Jike Super ZLC....i absolutely LOVE this rubber! Combines Tenergy 05 with Hurricane 3 in my opinion... just slightly less then each of them separately. Butterfly outdid themselves this time around.
2.1 both side?
@@boomshakalaka5409 I used to use 09c 2.1 on but sides, but now I only use 09c 2.1 on my backhand. I use Dignics 05 2.1 on my forehand now.
@@TM-qr6weim changing 2 rhyzer pro 50 tô Dignics 05 back/09c fore, why did you inverted?
High-tension rubber like Dignics/Tenergy series has a limit on spin & speed which means that no matter how hard you hit, there is still a threshold of spin & speed. On the other hand, hard tacky rubber or Chinese Rubber such as H3, 729 Batte II, etc do not have that limit, the harder you hit, the more spin & speed you got, that's why Chinese players prefer it so that they can hit as hard as they can, usually they include their whole body into the stroke to make it more powerful.
Moreover, hard tacky rubbers are more linear than high tension ones, thus it helps to land the ball on the table even though you hit super hard. However, you cannot do the same with high-tension rubber, the ball will mostly go out of the table when you hit hard.
Next, the hard sponge is less sensitive to the spin which helps to counter-attack, receive serves, and control the ball much easier but the hard sponge is difficult to spin the ball on itself, that's why they add the tacky top sheet to spin the ball easier.
Last but not least, hard tacky rubbers require you to have good technique & footwork, if you don't be in a comfortable position to hit the ball or hit the ball with a small force, it will go into the net immediately. This is where the high-tension rubber shine, you can generate enough spin & speed even though you are out of the position or hit the ball softly
Most amateur players including me cannot compare with the professional ones in terms of technique, force, and footwork that why we hardly see the differences between hard tacky rubber & high-tension rubber. With a small force, the high-tension is clearly the winner in terms of speed & spin but with the larger force that most of the professional players had, hard tacky rubber is the winner. And of course, larger force requires good technique (including whole body, power-from-the-ground, etc), and footwork (you can run around the table, and hit hard in every position :))). Chinese players usually train very hard at their young age with hard tacky hard rubber so that they can hit the ball as hard as they can, they learn how to spin the ball by their techniques without the help of the rubbers.
As far as my experience goes with these rubbers (not that much) with the butterfly it's easy to get OK shots with not so OK technique, so it's easy to develop the wrong technique. But with a great technique, the hurricane shots become so much better, that when you focus on technique, these rubbers carry you to victory!
This is the reason why I "stick" with hurricane and avoid BFY's overpriced products 😂
@@errizashalahuddin5969 Actually the price of a provincial blue sponge H3 is quite high :/
@@pablominnaro3502 still more affordable than those of tenergies, at least in my country. I've got my provincial blue spinge at around 60-70% of tenergy price
@@errizashalahuddin5969 Well in this case u make a point. Prices are higher in my country due to taxes I guess. Still, H3 is my favourite rubber by far !
yasaka rakza series please (7,9,X & Z), also the new blade Falck 7 ply wood and carbon
Yes. That would be great mostly with Raksa Z. But another product fron yasaka would be welcome.
I have rakza Z on Backhand and rakza 9 on forehand, the Best thing i can say as advice is dont buy rakza 9 if you like to play with a lot of spin as its primarily very very speedy, rakza Z is phenomenal to me, it has spin and speed as well as super control imo, reccomend 100%
Your back! well done guys and good review :)
exactly the review i needed! been using hurricane for some time and wanted to have an "upgraded" hurricane rubber
It is normal that for you the dignics are better if your usual rubbers are European. You take advantage of the dignics because you are used to it but the bad thing is that you do not take advantage of the potential of the Chinese tires because they are very different tires with different game purposes and if the comparison is made by two players who play with European tires it is obvious what the winning rubber. For me, the video was good and entertaining, but when it comes to the comparison, bad from my point of view. I think you should have brought someone who plays with Chinese rubber instead of two players who play with European rubber.
Their shots a good enough to unlock potential of H3. Good technique, good body swings. What nonsense you are talking about?
You guys are really amazing am loving your tips and tricks. Kindly bring more of them as they are very fruitful and we need more of them to improve our game and take it to the next level.
Hurricane‘s sponge needs to be glued in a special way to manifest its true power,only Chinese Pros know that secret XD. There are 3 different levels of Hurricanes in China -amateur(普狂）,province(省狂）and national(国狂）.The national Hurricane is as expensive as D05 in Chinese market,and it is been used by many legendary Chinese players in different generations,WangLiqin was a big fan of it,even his blade is Hurricane too.FanZhengdong even use both sides of it on his blade. As you can see,they both are players who has super forehand with super high quality,consistency and control XD. By the way,Hurricane’s sponge also have got two different styles,the Orange and hard Blue,which one to use depends on how powerful you are,Chinese national players are basically hard blue users.
The most wanted reviews I want to see. Thx TTD.
Thanks for making this comparison! This is really helpful
Great review guys but you didn't talk about hardness. Also there are others hurricane 3, provincial and national! (orange and blue sponge), take note that blue sponge is harder and faster.
David Hessling for people who know Em ra Thich European rubbers actually is slower because of how it’s higher throw arc forces player to hit high spiny balls with little kick effect. I still think that Asian rubbers are still better despite butterfly’s attempt to make it harder and lower throw arc.
@@mhyun1 Butterfly is a Japanese brand i'm pretty sure
@@wdzsjsjw Yes they are Japanese. And their rubbers are different from the European ones. Pretty much every European brand makes their rubbers at ESN Tensor that's why Tibhar Andro Donic Joola(All German) Xiom(Korean) Stiga(Sweden) and some Chinese brands have some made in the ESN Factory rubber like DHS's Goldarc 8 for example or Palio's Macro era they are all mostly the same.
The only non-Chinese bigger brands that still don't use the ESN Tensor are I believe Butterfly, Nittaku (both Japan) and Yasaka(Sweden)
@@Goriaas What are differences between European and Japanese rubbers? European only ESN, Japenese sometimes spring effect with, without medium tacky surface and tacky surface without spring effect?
Great comparison in general. There's just a slight point which is the forehand technique in China is different from EU so it needs time to adjust to the Chinese style rubbers(if you're into the better performance out of it). That is also part of the reasons why Chinese players stick to hurricane 3 even if they need to boost it. They were trained with it since kids and already got used to it.
With Chinese forehand technique, hurricane 3 gives a slightly weirder arc after bouncing off the table. And for me who take table tennis as a hobby, a better choice is to go with the 39 degree stiffness, which is easier to control.
Yes, I love this! Keep these comparisons coming!
Also, Hurricane 3 the amount of spin potential is much more, especially with the topspin rallies and the right technique. (power from the ground technique)
Even though I probably won't buy the rubbers, I still love the reviews hahaha
Competitive player here (swiss 3rd league). I changed from Dignics09c to Hurricans 2 years ago. Had to work a lot to change my fh technic, adapting to hurricans.
One thing i can definitely say. Since the hurrican is more taky and slower, its easier to vary your spin. You can do very heavy, medium or even kind of flat- hit it with a topspin kind of mechanic leaving the ball with rarely any spin. Also since the hurrican has more control, it helps big time when being in a top-to- top situation but on the defensive side of it. You can go all out, counter top. Or you can go medium, or even just use your wrist creating a high arc relativ slow spin ball that lands mid table. For this ball your opponent needs to do 2/3 steps forward usually (from top-to top position medium range), and if he doesnt hit a very good one, you'll have very nice angles to play a straight point on this. The pivot into fh from bh side to bh is the chinese classic in situation like that and the hurrican strives for stuff like that.
Same goes to blocking. You can dose your blocks much easier than with Dignics. Also short to short, flicks etc. Same thing. More variation is possible with lesser need of 'perfect technic' everytime.
On the counterside of that, if you wanna play a killshot with Hurricans (no matter form top-to-top, flick etc) it needs a lot of athleticism since the rubber is compairably slow. You really need to 'throw' you whole body into the shot. Thats why in chinese technic, they tend to swing their full arm, including the shoulders. Very different technic really. Once you learn these bombs, they are very hard to block. Everybody of my club says i dont produce the most spin, but when i go full, the ball is very hard to block.
That being said, you need to train your athleticism in order to make the Hurrican work. I go 2x a week to the gym. Training leg coordination, explosivity, maximal strengh (deadlifts, hip thrusts etc), strengh endurance and a lot of cardio aswell❤
Would have really liked to see a comparison with the national rubbers. If the comparison is so favorable with that version, should we expect to see many CNT players switch their forehand rubber?
Very clear and easy to understand. Definitely one of the best rubber review videos.
The difference and biggest advantage to hurricane 3 is the throw angle. If you watch the spin comparison again, notice how much higher the ball is over the net when using the o9c vs Hurricane 3.
Why TTD selectively review mostly on Butterfly rubbers (many are untouched yet, eg Donic series except M1, Nittaku Fast Arc series, Yasaka Razka series, many more are not there), why they ignore/ selectively answer most of the important questions asked in the comment box?
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Because Butterfly pays more money .
For a lot of Chinese Rubbers, you really need to be fundamentally sound to produce good shots. Therefore, if top amateur and the second tier professionals like Dan and Tom have to use two layers of boosters to get remotely similar effects as the Dignics. Given once you use the boosters, you shorten the life of the rubbers considerably.
So really, over the long haul, it will cost the same, if not more overtime to replace the Hurricane at least twice as the Dignics. In that case, Dignics will be the better choice over the lifetime. Or better yet, do your homework to get something similar to the Dignics at slightly lower the price to get the best of both worlds. Just my two cents.
Makes sense maybe. D05 here costs 130, H3 Neo costs 30 + booster. Price wise very similar. Its just you get the feeling of new sheet on your blade 4 times more often. Another factor you might use D05 on both sides, while its not so common to use H3 on the backhand. However the winning combination is another rubber which does not require boosting and still costs just 40 :))
how is the 90c compare with the Nittaku Hurricane Turbo orange/blue? I think those are more comparable to the 90c since it is same kind of hybrid. The only drawback is the weight of the Nit Turbo series, super heavy
For h, normally you need 3 layer of boosting(remember to buy Chinese brand booster). It will definitely damage the rubber after sometime but it's still much cheaper compare to T or D.
I am using both of these rubbers, Hurricane 3 on forehand and Dignics 09C on backhand on the fan zhendong ALC, it is just such an amazing combination. There is a reason fan zhendong himself uses this rubber combination, the extra power of dignics 09C on the backhand help make up for the weakness of the biomechanics of the shot, and hurricane 3 is just the best forehand rubber in existance if you like to hit the ball hard and win with strength, the power and pace plus the incredible control is just unmatched. There is no top end to how much power you can add, whereas with euro rubbers everything will just fly long if you hit hard and try to add pace.
Did you already test any blue sponge version of hurricane 3 or hurricane 3 neo? Orange sponge is known as being dead and unplayable without a lot of tuning....
The rating system is great. Are you going to go back and give ratings to the rubbers you have already reviewed? And Dan, you gotta try Yasaka Rakza Z man. I would love to hear what you thought of it
I agree with the ones wishing for a Rakza Z review and comparison; it would be really interesting.
Can you also please do a review about DHS TG3 or Skyline 3 National blue sponge. Those rubbers were used by top penholders like Ma Lin, Wang Hao and Xu Xin. I'm just wondering if they can be equip on shakehand blades. Thank you so much.
TTD rating system is great is a good summary according to the video, this is the best tt reviews channel
Finally got a long awaited review of Hurricane 3
Love these videos! Been waiting for this! Thanks TTD team! Greetings from Colombia
You're probably aware the national team uses blue sponge H3 not the typical consumer packaged H3 orange sponge (not the same). I mean the chinese have dominated for years with H3, its definitely a proven rubber. While i havent used dignics yet, I have long used national H3 and its an absolute joy to use for someone like me who like to counter back away from the table.
I agree with this assessment of the H3 rubber...it's not as springy as other rubbers and you get the most out of it with more power.
The rating system is a great addition! Nice work boys
What is the best rubber dhs hurricane 3 or dhs h3 neo?
I wonder if the stregnth you gain from playing with this rubber will make it better in the long run because it has more spin potential when your topspin ability increases. What if you just dont experience its potential without playing with it for a long time?
Hurricane 3 is just AMAZING 🤩🤩🤩
Yeah very spinng 🔥
@@TableTennisDaily Because it's Ma Long 😍
Hurricane 3 has different hardness on sponge which one did you use? Also glad to see you back, doing reviews.
Welcome return and great review,
I'd love to see some yasaka rubbers tested the razka x and 7 are really popular at my club the new rakza z looks awesome too.
Hi Dan, great comparison. Have you switched to 09c?
You guys should take a look at the new Yasaka Rakza Z rubbers. As always love your vidz!
Who else watched dude perfect's collab with Adam today..and is proud of the sport growing over the globe...
Me
Yea, unfortunately the collab is a lame one.
@@morhafsa9788 yes
Always cringe when they introduced Adam as a "professional" table tennis player. At least not at the international level.
@@jerryhan4034 adam himself says he is not a professional player at all
Great review, would like to see Aibiss in this comparison as well. Future review vid incoming?😂
Wow that was an really good review! Well done. Liked the presentation and the categories
dan definitely does not have "power from the ground" synergy or dynamics, and his play style seems more suited to euro-rubbers that produce more power. Hurricane seems more suited to players that generate their own power, thus giving them masterful control of all aspects of the shot. tom's style adheres more to Chinese methods as there is more fluidity and synergy in his legs and overall rotation. i think his style is better suited for hurricane. But, if you're used to the rubber doing most of the work for you, the transition can be an awkward one.
hi) can you some day make a comparison some rubbers with national hurricane 3? There a lot of differences between commercial and national versions of hurricane 3
it s more like 18 vs 105 in US. So a comparison is weird haha:). I d love to have the comparison between tenergy 05 at that price level. That being said having a scale definitely would help the viewers when it s time to purchase or try equipment so I applaud you for that
"That was the best backhand he has ever done." You gotta love tom LOL amazing video as always both of yall xD
How necessary is boosting the hurricane 3?
Thank you the great review. What thickness do you normally use for your reviews ?
Hey guys, how does Bluegrip C1 compare to these two rubbers? How about a review? Thanks
Which player is using hurricane 3 neo
Please do a comparison with yasaka Raksa Z or another hybrid tacky tensor. It seems to be a trend.
This is best rubber review i have ever seen!
Um, how....?
Hello, I am from India..can you please let me know where to buy DHS Hurricane 3 blue sponge rubber?
What booster did you use to speed up the Hurricane 3?
Let’s be honest here Hurricane 3 needs a specific kind of technique to use it to its fullest but Dan and Tom do not use it so much so they can’t really say how better Dignics is compared to Hurricane 3. There is a reason that the whole china and their national team uses Hurricane and other player can’t even get used to it if they try to adapt to it
Hang on, if you've applied the booster, shouldn't the rubber be curled up?
As others have pointed out, the comparison does not make sense. Chinese rubbers are for Chinese style only. I think all major brands are now producing European rubbers with sticky top-sheet which are even few Euros cheaper - therefore you may want to test these instead.
I really like the TTD Rubber Ratings table. Well done. Will be usefull for me to choose between Stiga DNA Pro S M H vs Raksa 7 if you make the comparison too, would you? Thank you
Can you try dhs hurricane 3 national blue sponge
Good comparison guys. I also have this question in my mind.
Iv played with non boosted H3 for 2 seasons now, the black H3 has more spin than red H3 for some reason, also the tackiness lasts longer, there’s probably something in it as all the top Chinese players use black rubbers on the forehand, i use H3 on the forehand and donic desto F3 on the backhand, H3 is fantastic for serving short and spiny then coming in 3rd ball with heavy top spin, up until I switched always played with European style rubbers but I encourage everyone to try a Chinese style rubbers at least once as it changed my game for the better 👍
The material used to paint is different in black. The black chinese rubbers are better than the red ones.
Like the rating system!!! Didn’t realise how slow Hurricane 3 was!!!
H3's speed is from your power.
Is there a review on Joola Dynaryz Rubber?
Can you pls review the dhs hurricane 3 national blue sponge?
Bel lavoro... Vedo sempre con piacere le vostre recensioni. Vi chiederei, se fosse possibile per le prossime volte, di includere anche le vostre impressioni (o misurazioni) sul peso della gomma e sulla durezza. Stavolta, poi, il confronto era fatto con una gomma boosterizzata, che a quanto mi risulta non è regolare. Sarebbe interessante il confronto senza nessun additivo...
After all these years! Finally H3! 😍🔥
Is it general Hurricane 3 or the national version of it?
Commercial 3
Dan can you please suggest, which blade is more suitable for O9c rubber both side.
Just get H3 Neo. No need to boost. Very spinny and pretty quick straight out of the box!!
It was h3 neo
@@DroniX337 They never mentioned it was Neo and there is no need to boost that particular rubber.
in TTD video was H3Neo . yes, you are right. no need to boost
@@dusanvolkar3735 Yes ,you are both right, I just watched it again and it is Neo, I don`t think TTD realised it was Neo. It`s already factory boosted so I am surprised it didn`t play quicker.
Maybe you mean h3 neo national blue sponge one? Cz that one is the fair comparison to 09c
Could you please do a review on butterfly Aibiss? Keen to find out about the more affordable version!
If you use the rubbers the way they're supposed to, you'll get a totally different result. But if you play the same way with both rubbers, you'll get this result :) To get the most out of the Hurricane 3 do like Ma Long for example. ruclips.net/video/QqGJA2lqrzE/видео.html . Totally different looping game, and then you get the speed...
Guys can you please do a review of DHS hurricane 3 national blue sponge.
Hi TTD....
I like all the equipment reviews posted and it was really fantastic.
Thank you for sharing.
Is it possible to review super zlc blades?
Also nice thing would be addint to comparison new Rakza Z, Omega 7 China, Donic Bluegrip and other new tacky/hybrid rubbers from popular companies :)
Please compare 09c with H8, Bigg Dipper, Battle II, Rakza 7, thanks!