Came here to post this. That toothpick cactus is etched into my brain from the first time I saw the old school warhammer books as a kid. Seeing a picture of it again makes me indescribably happy.
I think it's a shame that we've pretty much lost this aspect of the hobby. Most hobbyists will go to modern plastic or MDF terrain. I use to love trying to make scratch built terrain using bits of rubbish from around the house.
nothing stopping you nowadays to do it again. hell if you have a 3d printer you can even take "trash" terrain to the next level using custom greeblies to add to the terrain
It's not promoted because there's no profit in it. It was only promoted when people weren't willing to spend so much money on a plastic hobby. As always, optimisation (this time for cash) ruins a hobby.
I dunno, there's a bunch of crafting channels like this one, Zorpazorp, Wyloch, Black Magic Craft, DMs Craft and all the rest. I agree, there's a tendancy toward "official" terrain sets, but I think there's still plenty doing it the old way.
Combination of FDM printing, trash and modern day stuff allows this style of stuff with even more options, I been doing some things like printing bits of terrain and greeblies with a printer and using em to build various things, for example foam houses can become quite glorious with such a style, but even just foam, bits of trash and sand can do it.
I LOVE all these Retro Hammer videos, i think theres a big chunk of the community that has gotten bored, exhausted, and tired trying to keep up with the constant new rules, codexes, and models, and meta changes every 3 months, and i think a big chunk of the hobby secretly wants to go back to Old 40k and just play and hobby that, back to simpler times
You guys had models? ;) Grew up at the the same time playing with entire cardboard armies and drooling over 'eavy metal photos of all the cool Eldar vehicles that I could never afford as a kid :D
1993-1999 was my most fanatic for the hobby. Back when Tyranid Warriors had buck teeth and Necrons were a two-page spread in White Dwarf. This video REALLY brought me back. Wow.
Man I remember when Necrons first came out in White Dwarf. There had been all those little hints and teasers leading up to it, like "the things in the pyramids" from Gorkamorka and all that. I think Sisters came out around the same time, and had a similarly small range of models at first. Just the regular sisters and the seraphim, and making dominions / retributors / celestians was just a matter of weapon loadout and paint schemes?
I'm a firm believer in there being room in the hobby for both today's "Ultra HD" terrain and this old school goofy fun stuff. I honestly love these, and I'll probably try to make some for my own terrain collection at some point.
Nigel Stillman was my absolute hobby hero back then. Jervis Johnson, Andy Chambers, Rick Priestley and later Paul Sawyer too, but Nigel first among equals - between the terrain and the enthusiasm for big units of ordinary troops he was the man. 😀
Couldn't agree more :-) I started making terrain for my old 1/32 Airfix plastic toy soldiers after reading Stan Catchpole's articles in the old model magazines I read in the 1970's, then went on to find Shepard Payne, then got into White Dwarf, and just kept going from there :-) Those days, there wasn't any 3D printing or mass market products, just what you could find in the kitchen bin, or in the fields where we played with our to y soldiers :-D I STILL make terrain from trash, so seeing this video has brought me so much joy, and made my day so much brighter. Thank you so much for making an old modeller happier than he already was :-D
Theres a special charm to this type of terrain that I love. Part of it is nostalgia. But part is accessibility. These days we see so many tools and techniques used to make gorgeous results that we forget at someone point you started with literally nothing. A proxxon and airbrush are cheaper than ever but they still cost money. And there was a time when we weren't inundated with such polished results and only wanted utility. A step up from books and scrutinizing pictures trying to figure out what things they were made of that we were familiar with. Did I know what pink foam was? Hell no. But I had a fiver and knew where to get free cans and paper. Some craft paint and a few bits from the pantry and bobs your uncle. To me that's why I'll never truly love the modern crispness we have, nothing will never measure up to my imagination and the satisfaction from just not knowing any better.
When I was first starting out I used to raid the bin of a local picture framing shop for their foam card off cuts to make my terrain. I'd use anything I could scavenge or find to make stuff as cheap as possible. These days I'd just print the parts I want at home.
Made my first hills out of layers of cardboard because it was all I had. Packaging for buildings, the 2e boxed set cardboard ruins, and felt for marshes and rivers.
I’m in the middle of making some desert sandstone/sedimentary rock pillars out of cardboard, tissue paper, glue, paint etc right now actually! You can get them really, really nice with a little experimentation, and it’s still worth doing imho.
Outstanding! You did that old book justice. Wish I still had my copy of it, I used to love flipping through those pages and making my own terrain as a kid.
I can actually remember seeing this stuff in White Dwarf, pretty sure GW had a habit of collating White Dwarf articles and publishing them as books back then. It really was Blue Peter meets 40K for making terrain back then. Excellent video.
God even the photos are so nostalgic. Seeing them now I very much remember looking over that tower and the little orc house photos as a kid. This is great.
Seeing the finished board reminded me of old minecraft worlds funnily enough. It has that simplicity to it, where even if not all the terrain isnt the most scenic or detailed it could be, thats part of what makes it so special. Its not just that its nostalgic because its old, its nostalgic because it gets you in the headspace of a child, seeing soda cans as silos and carpets as wheat fields. It all looks great, awesome video!
This takes me back! The waiting for the bus and using my coat to hide my nerdy shame really hit me in the nostalgia bone! I always wanted (and still do) to build the crashed space ship at the end of the book. One day…
What a blast from the past. I still have a copy of that book in the bookshelf, is always fun to look back through it for a snapshot of the hobby from days gone.
When I see the beautiful old school DIY style terrain and boards, it really brought back some of the excitement from back then. I remember the book, and loved to make stuff. Now everything needs to be a flippin diorama piece these days. It’s almost like the game itself was the most important thing back then.
A fun reason to get into 2nd Edition is Tyranids. They didn't get tactic cards, their missions were hard and they almost always had to go second, but the random events table did a very thematic job of replicating the madness and attrition caused by a Tyranid attack.
I loved that old book! One of my earliest hobby memories was using pretty much an entire pot of Boltgun Metal painting a Pringles can with a tiny brush, on a tiny cardboard base that did nothing to alleviate how top heavy and flimsy it was.
Loved this video, I really enjoy using household items to make great landscapes. So yes please more of these. Would love to see some fantasy terrain created. Thanks
I loved this, makes the whole hobby thing so accessible. All those excellent looking cityscapes and ruins people make nowadays are great, but they seems like a step to far when you've already blown so much money on minis and paint. This is that happy "good enough" stuff that gets you playing on something other than a flat surface. I love it.
Damn .. this is so cool! In all seiousness: when you take a look at today's magazines or rulebooks you see so many awesome THINGS (buildings, rocks, paveways, lanterns, hand crafted trees and what else) and they all basically scream "you will have to dump a heapload of money into this hobby". But THIS is EXACTLY why guys like you and me came into the hobby in the first place: Accessibility. Crafting your terrain was presented dead simple (pile some books, cover them with a blanket... or not...) on purpose: to get people into the hobby. In my opinion, the wargaming community needs more tutorials like this one, if only to make the hobby more accessible to more people who would get scared away by today's standards .. Great job!
I remember seeing these books and pictures as a kid in the 90’s and dreaming of playing games on these setups. It’s hilarious how daggy they look now 😂. You did a great job of replicating the same look and feel however. It would be cool to see a battle report on this table using the old rule sets with some reflections on how much the game has changed since then.
I was 14 in 96! So I got the nostalgia feels on this video. Great video defiantly need more 90's goodness! Got to love the floorhammer. My first game when getting back into the hobby was on the floor at a mates. It was super windy that day and hobby venue we were going to go to was closed.
Yah, un-ironically we still use the deathball cacti. They are not the same ones I made in 96, the originals were lost in A flood in 2013. But they were the second bits of terrain built when we started rebuilding of course, MDF bases was reallythe only change. If you put the cardboard corrugations at 90 degrees from the previous layer it helps control the warping, for anyone wanting to use cardboard rebates of make cardboard hills.
Lol old school. I still make stuff like this for my housemates D&D groups. Have boxes and bags of "useful" items still lol. Make minies too with good old Miliput which I discovered back at school in 86 to 92 lol
Definitely here for all of this. Love the look of this scenery, there’s something really great about it that all the plastic GW scenery just kind of can’t match.
This was a wonderful trip down memory lane from when I first got into tabletop gaming as well. Thank you for taking me back to my teens for a moment. I do think, every once in a while it would be fun to play on a table like this.
That was very nostalgic. The big difference for us is that flock was a luxury. We played on table painted green and used sand painted green instead of flock. Later on we managed tho to get a gaming mat so we increase the use of flock.
Love it. This is everything me and my cousin dreamt about when we were hand painting shoe boxes and empty coke cans hoping it would eventually look as good as the GW photos… It never did…
There is nothing more 2nd edition to me than the Ork Rokkit. Fond memories of my friend playing Orks and having a bunch of single use items that could either decimate my army or spectacularly blow up his side of the board instead. This was pure nostalgia and thanks for making the video.
This really took me back. My dad used to make terrain for us and built a bunker out of an ice cream container and a few bits of foam. It's still one of the best pieces of terrain I've ever owned. I did the exact same thing with my jacket to hide my carry case from the local Kev's! Great vid.
This brings back lovely memories of 2nd Edition. I even recall some of the pictures from that terrain building book. Funny sidenote: Those sturdy Pringles cans recommended for building silos or Necromunda terrain were nowhere to be found in Germany back then, so we always wondered how to get our hands on them for the projects.
Nostalgia in full overdrive with those cacti, corner ruins and baked bean tin silos. There's still something quaint, but fun and that fires the imagination with these old-school style pieces of terrain. Brings back so many memories of day long battles with my friends. I've bought some polystyrene balls too and plan on making spiky cacti and adobe Ork huts sometime. Thanks for the smiles this evening, carry on being awesome and take care ;)
Showing up to a battle back in the 90s with good terrain pieces used to draw massive crowds to your table. One of my favourite aspects of WFB was setting up a beautiful looking battlefield. Hedges made from steel wire, river sections carved from the bits of polystyrene left over from the new washing machine packaging, a dwarf mine made out of balls of newspaper and plaster of paris, siege towers made from corn flakes boxes with 40k round base wheels clad in 'corn flake planks'..... Man, I used to love the DIY terrain aspect of it. EDIT: I just remembered the centerpiece terrain I made back then, a ruined temple made from all sorts of things found in the bin. :D
❤❤❤ everything you did there, I did too as a child... Aaaah memories. Nobody to play with, just me building stuff I saw in white dwarf in the attic of my parents house. My dad used to have model railways so I had plenty of materials.
Loved this video. The techniques might not be the best we can do now, but a great demonstration that you can make working terrain out of basic materials. Any table set up with this stuff is leagues ahead of a kitchen table with a printed neoprene mat.
Cool idea! I could definitely make alot of these things look better with a few extra (still cheap) products :) I do have some plans if this video does alright :)
How I remember this. I even still have the same sort of carry case you use. Got my Rogue Trader books, my 2nd Ed Codexes, the Wargaming Terrain book etc too Started back in 1994, though "technically" 1993 with Space Hulk on the Amiga (which I still have) This was pure nostalgia.
This is so cool, proper nostalgia feels. Gotta get my passport sorted and get over there with my Preatorians, would love to battle over that old school terrain.
There was a large circular raised landing pad (think sweet tin) that appeared in lots of second ed glamour shots and battle reports. It also featured in the 3rd ed rulebook as a holdover. It features a cargo lift on one side, secondary landing pad and doors on the other, detailed walls around the outside and radial banding/stencilling on the landing surface. I can provide you with page numbers if you are interested, it would be a very fun project and would be cool to see a modern spin on it.
Learning about MDF was a game changer for me back in the day. Especially when there were plenty of stores selling diy coasters and placemats made from it. Could easily be cut into shape with a Stanley knife and a little patience and not subject to warping like cardboard. Still my go-to for scatter terrain bases these days.
This actually really got me in the feels! Brought me back to my teenage years. Was roleplaying (Conan: an age undreamed of) last night with 2 friends that I originally got into warhammer with 33 years ago! They'll love this!❤
I just fell in love with your channel. I am building a 90s method church and pub with scrap card, matches and wood splints. I think gamers today would love this.
I was running a game shop in Saskatoon Saskatchewan when Rogue Trader Came out, I remember us trying to piece together terrain and miniatures to play a few games. would love to see more Oldhammer content.
Wow that’s a nostalgia hit. Those red spiked cactus were in every 40K battle report in white dwarf for years. You need some rock spires though - would really finish off the look, and can be used for both fantasy and 40k
@@BroadswordWargaming Used to use old B&Q wall paint in a lovely mint green I found in my dad's shed back in 2nd Edition. We had fights on the same "carpet planet" with the same book hills and mint ice-cream looking base forests of ripped up sponges on twigs. Shame I lost all my 2nd Ed. Codexes though, they all had some great lore and art in them! Never made the classic spiky cactus balls though, they still look like they hold up alright.
Absolutely love that old terrain book. Lots of memories from old White Dwarf! I definitely made those catachan jungle ball plants as well as the wire frame + bandage jungle tree. Primed them but then painted (just likey army 😂😂)
I remeber making my own grass out of sawdust I picked up from my dad's workshop, sifting it down to get it as fine and clean as possible, put it all inside a plastic bag and painting it with a can of green spray.
This is some of the stuff I remember seeing either on a table or on a shelf at a local store I use to spend my Friday nights playing magic the gathering in the esrly 2000s. Even then I thinm GW hadn't really gotten into fully supplying terrain so much was hand crafted. Still wish id had stores even closer to me in my section of the USA that sold warhammer during the 90s. It wasn't until I was 19 or 20 when I even saw it and at the time didn't have interest in it. Wishing I did now lol.
I remember first time I learned about foam cutters, I was using serrated cheap knives to cut white packing foam, isolation in my country was made with fiberglass mats back then (like 97 or so), I was handy but still a kid so it happened what you would expect, I cut myself, not badly but we went to the ER, I told the doctor what happened and he, probably a plastic model maker or something, told my mother and I 'there are tools to cut that, it's like a scroll saw but with a wire that gets hot. I wanted one for a long time but never found one untill years later.
When applying modpodge or PVA mixed with filler, I'll suggest stippling the coating on. This removes brush marks and adds some nice random texture. A house painting brush from the Pound Shop is ideal for this. The finished board looks great; ideal for some 2nd Ed battle reports.
Good idea. I did end up with brush strokes in the Modge Podge (not that theyre noticable when flocked), so i'll remember that for next time. Definitely going to paint some second edition, then film, a game! :)
@@BroadswordWargaming I'm looking forward to some more 2nd Ed contact; the rules are so weird and wacky. I've watch a few games on Guerrilla Miniature Games and Second Edition Wargaming; who had several games in which Adeptus Arbites got repeatedly curb-stomped by Chaos Cultists and their daemon buddies 😄
I had this book! It inspired me a lot of scenery. I didn't play GW games but I really liked making 28mm scenery for my friends. I was the only modeler in the group and I made a lot of stuff, from a simple tavern, to Mayan ruins for the lizardmen or temples, tombs etc...
I got into the hobby in 1996 myself, and yeah, the terrain was the part I immediately gravitated too. I even got that same How to Make Wargames Terrain book. Fortunately, my father had a wood and metalworking studio (he was a professional prop maker and prop designer) so I had access to a lot of materials and tools other people didn't. For example, I'd use his jigsaw to cut out thinner pieces of plywood for basing. Didn't have to worry about that warping so much.
Great video. We used to make cliffs by getting large chunky blocks of polystyrene and spreading UHU glue on one side to melt the polystyrene. Worked really well. The bright green scenery just works well and should be used more often. Thanks for the vid. 👍
I-I wasn't the only one who played floorhammer using terrain books with my brother back in '97? Nice vid, those red spine alien plants were my fave terrain pieces back in the day, still are.
This is a really fun video and full of nostalgia. A fun follow up would be to remake the same sort of terrain but to more current standards for a side by side comparison.
That how to make wargaming terrain book is one of the best products they have ever produced. Excellent value for money, and as you've shown still good today.
Really great vid! I think a lot of these techniques hold up for a good playable terrain setup on the cheap! I'd love to see what new techniques you'd use to modernize the setup but with the same focus on cheap materials
We are honestly in the greatest time ever for wargaming terrain. By combining old skills like these with 3D printing the sad tables of the past can be replaced by amazing terrain sets. Great time to be a wargamer.
Cracking video. I've got a terrain tutor tip for the bases. Just PVA two peice of card together with the corrugated lines facing in different directions and like Olly said weigh down with a book, dry, and bevel. The intersecting lines make the base rock hard and stable. I've had some bolt action bunkers last me years with no warping.
Thanks mate, you brought me back in time, came to the hobby with second edition and related so well to your memories of brotherly battles over books, carpet bits and pretty much anything 😀
I got into the hobby lately and found the blue book of GW Wargaming terrain & it still holds up with a bunch of great information. I got some foam balls recently to make a few of these plus trying to make a foam version of the crashed Starbug. If I remember right when the cardboard is warped, you can put PVA on the bottom then dry for a day to undo the warping.
Those blocky ork war boys huts was the first piece of terrain I made out of quarter inch foam card. I also made plenty of those ruined corner buildings, also out of card.
I recently found a box of unused drop ceiling tiles in my storeroom, I don't have a drop ceiling nor does anyone in my family, so I've taken to breaking them up into irregular roundish shapes and I'm currently turning them into hills for wargames with PVA glue, sand and railroad flock. Large corks lined up on the edges of the hills become concrete walls and yes, I'm even making the alien cactus plants from foam balls and tooth picks, someone *will* want these for the nostalgia of it all.
Closed my eyes and was taken back to a happy time of my teenage years! I had that book (and the miniature painting book of the same time) and made a few pieces of wibbly wobbly terrain with it's help! 😁 Also a time when you looked at Golden Demon entries and thought "I could give that a run for it's money" 🤣 Oh, and More 2nd Edition stuff please!
Would you like to see more "Oldhammer" stuff? Let me know!
👍 yes 👍
Brings back memories alright
Yes. Did you provide a template for the terrain? It's not in the description.
Oh yes...
@waynegoddard4065 I didn't, didn't think of that. It's all in the Red Terrain book. I'm sure you can find it online. 😀
The hobby shame of the 90s. The terrain turned out to be amazing. The toothpick cactus are very nostalgic.
I feel like the modern award they should hand out for terrain crafting should be a golden cactus in this style.
Oh I look looking at the terrain from my 3rd edition rule book when I was a kid
Hobby shame?
I actually like the shape. Very sinister, alien looking. I wonder how you can add a modern twist to it.
Came here to post this. That toothpick cactus is etched into my brain from the first time I saw the old school warhammer books as a kid. Seeing a picture of it again makes me indescribably happy.
I think it's a shame that we've pretty much lost this aspect of the hobby. Most hobbyists will go to modern plastic or MDF terrain. I use to love trying to make scratch built terrain using bits of rubbish from around the house.
nothing stopping you nowadays to do it again. hell if you have a 3d printer you can even take "trash" terrain to the next level using custom greeblies to add to the terrain
@@luclin92 The point is that it's not very common in the hobby as a whole anymore.
It's not promoted because there's no profit in it. It was only promoted when people weren't willing to spend so much money on a plastic hobby. As always, optimisation (this time for cash) ruins a hobby.
I dunno, there's a bunch of crafting channels like this one, Zorpazorp, Wyloch, Black Magic Craft, DMs Craft and all the rest. I agree, there's a tendancy toward "official" terrain sets, but I think there's still plenty doing it the old way.
Combination of FDM printing, trash and modern day stuff allows this style of stuff with even more options, I been doing some things like printing bits of terrain and greeblies with a printer and using em to build various things, for example foam houses can become quite glorious with such a style, but even just foam, bits of trash and sand can do it.
I LOVE all these Retro Hammer videos, i think theres a big chunk of the community that has gotten bored, exhausted, and tired trying to keep up with the constant new rules, codexes, and models, and meta changes every 3 months, and i think a big chunk of the hobby secretly wants to go back to Old 40k and just play and hobby that, back to simpler times
Would that I could upvote more than once.
Yup thats why i started getting into 5th edition lol
Ahhh!!!!!! The good old days of FloorHammer and not caring if you had painted models because they were shiny metal and looked cool.
Floorhammer was the way. Went nicely with the cardboard ork dreadnought.
Heresy all unpainted models are heresy
@@BroadswordWargaming And when you needed a second desk or even more floorspace for all the equipment, character and vehicle cards.
You guys had models? ;) Grew up at the the same time playing with entire cardboard armies and drooling over 'eavy metal photos of all the cool Eldar vehicles that I could never afford as a kid :D
@@derguator3732 I shoplifter my first models. Metal Chaos Terminators. Coolest things ever. (The shame)
1993-1999 was my most fanatic for the hobby. Back when Tyranid Warriors had buck teeth and Necrons were a two-page spread in White Dwarf. This video REALLY brought me back. Wow.
Man I remember when Necrons first came out in White Dwarf. There had been all those little hints and teasers leading up to it, like "the things in the pyramids" from Gorkamorka and all that. I think Sisters came out around the same time, and had a similarly small range of models at first. Just the regular sisters and the seraphim, and making dominions / retributors / celestians was just a matter of weapon loadout and paint schemes?
I'm a firm believer in there being room in the hobby for both today's "Ultra HD" terrain and this old school goofy fun stuff. I honestly love these, and I'll probably try to make some for my own terrain collection at some point.
Nigel Stillman was my absolute hobby hero back then. Jervis Johnson, Andy Chambers, Rick Priestley and later Paul Sawyer too, but Nigel first among equals - between the terrain and the enthusiasm for big units of ordinary troops he was the man. 😀
Dominic, no kidding! Those guys are awesome forefathers of 40K. I would love to meet those guys, especially Fat Bloke, he killed he was so funny. ❤️👍
Couldn't agree more :-) I started making terrain for my old 1/32 Airfix plastic toy soldiers after reading Stan Catchpole's articles in the old model magazines I read in the 1970's, then went on to find Shepard Payne, then got into White Dwarf, and just kept going from there :-) Those days, there wasn't any 3D printing or mass market products, just what you could find in the kitchen bin, or in the fields where we played with our to y soldiers :-D I STILL make terrain from trash, so seeing this video has brought me so much joy, and made my day so much brighter. Thank you so much for making an old modeller happier than he already was :-D
I loved Wayne England. I had a huge dwarf army inspired and painted in the style of Wayne's dwarves.
Theres a special charm to this type of terrain that I love. Part of it is nostalgia. But part is accessibility. These days we see so many tools and techniques used to make gorgeous results that we forget at someone point you started with literally nothing. A proxxon and airbrush are cheaper than ever but they still cost money. And there was a time when we weren't inundated with such polished results and only wanted utility. A step up from books and scrutinizing pictures trying to figure out what things they were made of that we were familiar with. Did I know what pink foam was? Hell no. But I had a fiver and knew where to get free cans and paper. Some craft paint and a few bits from the pantry and bobs your uncle. To me that's why I'll never truly love the modern crispness we have, nothing will never measure up to my imagination and the satisfaction from just not knowing any better.
When I was first starting out I used to raid the bin of a local picture framing shop for their foam card off cuts to make my terrain.
I'd use anything I could scavenge or find to make stuff as cheap as possible.
These days I'd just print the parts I want at home.
True creativity - it will never die out! Building terrain is an amazing hobby in itself.
Made my first hills out of layers of cardboard because it was all I had. Packaging for buildings, the 2e boxed set cardboard ruins, and felt for marshes and rivers.
I’m in the middle of making some desert sandstone/sedimentary rock pillars out of cardboard, tissue paper, glue, paint etc right now actually! You can get them really, really nice with a little experimentation, and it’s still worth doing imho.
Outstanding! You did that old book justice. Wish I still had my copy of it, I used to love flipping through those pages and making my own terrain as a kid.
Thank you so much! I'm sure you can find it online. Am I allowed to download images form it to share for people? I'll look into it!
I can actually remember seeing this stuff in White Dwarf, pretty sure GW had a habit of collating White Dwarf articles and publishing them as books back then. It really was Blue Peter meets 40K for making terrain back then.
Excellent video.
God even the photos are so nostalgic. Seeing them now I very much remember looking over that tower and the little orc house photos as a kid. This is great.
Seeing the finished board reminded me of old minecraft worlds funnily enough. It has that simplicity to it, where even if not all the terrain isnt the most scenic or detailed it could be, thats part of what makes it so special. Its not just that its nostalgic because its old, its nostalgic because it gets you in the headspace of a child, seeing soda cans as silos and carpets as wheat fields. It all looks great, awesome video!
Bingo. You nailed it. Minecraft is an artificial simulation of exactly this, yes. Careful! You are "this" close to exiting the matrix.
This takes me back! The waiting for the bus and using my coat to hide my nerdy shame really hit me in the nostalgia bone! I always wanted (and still do) to build the crashed space ship at the end of the book. One day…
What an excellent video. Clear, and beautiful imagery. + articulate, confident, and concise narration + nostalgic time period = banger.
Ah thanks man, appreciate it! Honestly, it was an actual joy looking at all the old stuff. Next up, painting and playing! 😀
What a blast from the past. I still have a copy of that book in the bookshelf, is always fun to look back through it for a snapshot of the hobby from days gone.
When I see the beautiful old school DIY style terrain and boards, it really brought back some of the excitement from back then. I remember the book, and loved to make stuff. Now everything needs to be a flippin diorama piece these days. It’s almost like the game itself was the most important thing back then.
A fun reason to get into 2nd Edition is Tyranids. They didn't get tactic cards, their missions were hard and they almost always had to go second, but the random events table did a very thematic job of replicating the madness and attrition caused by a Tyranid attack.
I loved that old book! One of my earliest hobby memories was using pretty much an entire pot of Boltgun Metal painting a Pringles can with a tiny brush, on a tiny cardboard base that did nothing to alleviate how top heavy and flimsy it was.
Loved this video, I really enjoy using household items to make great landscapes. So yes please more of these. Would love to see some fantasy terrain created. Thanks
Thank you! Will do!
I loved this, makes the whole hobby thing so accessible. All those excellent looking cityscapes and ruins people make nowadays are great, but they seems like a step to far when you've already blown so much money on minis and paint. This is that happy "good enough" stuff that gets you playing on something other than a flat surface. I love it.
I started on this hobby in 97' and you have brought me so many memories with this excellent video!! More of this? Hell yes!
Damn .. this is so cool!
In all seiousness: when you take a look at today's magazines or rulebooks you see so many awesome THINGS (buildings, rocks, paveways, lanterns, hand crafted trees and what else) and they all basically scream "you will have to dump a heapload of money into this hobby". But THIS is EXACTLY why guys like you and me came into the hobby in the first place: Accessibility. Crafting your terrain was presented dead simple (pile some books, cover them with a blanket... or not...) on purpose: to get people into the hobby.
In my opinion, the wargaming community needs more tutorials like this one, if only to make the hobby more accessible to more people who would get scared away by today's standards ..
Great job!
I remember seeing these books and pictures as a kid in the 90’s and dreaming of playing games on these setups. It’s hilarious how daggy they look now 😂. You did a great job of replicating the same look and feel however. It would be cool to see a battle report on this table using the old rule sets with some reflections on how much the game has changed since then.
I was 14 in 96! So I got the nostalgia feels on this video. Great video defiantly need more 90's goodness! Got to love the floorhammer. My first game when getting back into the hobby was on the floor at a mates. It was super windy that day and hobby venue we were going to go to was closed.
Yah, un-ironically we still use the deathball cacti.
They are not the same ones I made in 96, the originals were lost in A flood in 2013.
But they were the second bits of terrain built when we started rebuilding of course, MDF bases was reallythe only change.
If you put the cardboard corrugations at 90 degrees from the previous layer it helps control the warping, for anyone wanting to use cardboard rebates of make cardboard hills.
Lol old school.
I still make stuff like this for my housemates D&D groups.
Have boxes and bags of "useful" items still lol.
Make minies too with good old Miliput which I discovered back at school in 86 to 92 lol
We are the same age, and I started the hobby just a few years after you did. Thank you for this moment of nostalgia!
The alien cacti are my favourites. So nostalgic and easy to make too!
We built dozens of them, they just looked so cool to us back then. We wanted to create a "jungle death world", lol
Definitely here for all of this. Love the look of this scenery, there’s something really great about it that all the plastic GW scenery just kind of can’t match.
This was a wonderful trip down memory lane from when I first got into tabletop gaming as well. Thank you for taking me back to my teens for a moment. I do think, every once in a while it would be fun to play on a table like this.
Wow, this really brings back memories of the boards I started with. Awesome job with this!
Very very cool, getting some serious nostalgia vibes here - great work!
That was very nostalgic. The big difference for us is that flock was a luxury. We played on table painted green and used sand painted green instead of flock. Later on we managed tho to get a gaming mat so we increase the use of flock.
Love it. This is everything me and my cousin dreamt about when we were hand painting shoe boxes and empty coke cans hoping it would eventually look as good as the GW photos… It never did…
There is nothing more 2nd edition to me than the Ork Rokkit. Fond memories of my friend playing Orks and having a bunch of single use items that could either decimate my army or spectacularly blow up his side of the board instead. This was pure nostalgia and thanks for making the video.
This really took me back. My dad used to make terrain for us and built a bunker out of an ice cream container and a few bits of foam. It's still one of the best pieces of terrain I've ever owned.
I did the exact same thing with my jacket to hide my carry case from the local Kev's!
Great vid.
This brings back lovely memories of 2nd Edition. I even recall some of the pictures from that terrain building book.
Funny sidenote: Those sturdy Pringles cans recommended for building silos or Necromunda terrain were nowhere to be found in Germany back then, so we always wondered how to get our hands on them for the projects.
Loved that terrain how to book. Really takes me back
Nostalgia in full overdrive with those cacti, corner ruins and baked bean tin silos.
There's still something quaint, but fun and that fires the imagination with these old-school style pieces of terrain.
Brings back so many memories of day long battles with my friends.
I've bought some polystyrene balls too and plan on making spiky cacti and adobe Ork huts sometime.
Thanks for the smiles this evening, carry on being awesome and take care ;)
Showing up to a battle back in the 90s with good terrain pieces used to draw massive crowds to your table. One of my favourite aspects of WFB was setting up a beautiful looking battlefield. Hedges made from steel wire, river sections carved from the bits of polystyrene left over from the new washing machine packaging, a dwarf mine made out of balls of newspaper and plaster of paris, siege towers made from corn flakes boxes with 40k round base wheels clad in 'corn flake planks'..... Man, I used to love the DIY terrain aspect of it.
EDIT: I just remembered the centerpiece terrain I made back then, a ruined temple made from all sorts of things found in the bin. :D
This is such good timing for me, working on a ruined city of Dale atm.
❤❤❤ everything you did there, I did too as a child... Aaaah memories. Nobody to play with, just me building stuff I saw in white dwarf in the attic of my parents house.
My dad used to have model railways so I had plenty of materials.
Loved this video. The techniques might not be the best we can do now, but a great demonstration that you can make working terrain out of basic materials. Any table set up with this stuff is leagues ahead of a kitchen table with a printed neoprene mat.
Great video Olly. So much nostalgia and so many memories. Thank you!
What nostalgia!! I’d love to see you do this same board with your more modern techniques as well - for science!
Cool idea! I could definitely make alot of these things look better with a few extra (still cheap) products :) I do have some plans if this video does alright :)
+1 to that idea :) Modern home-made scenery video!
How I remember this. I even still have the same sort of carry case you use. Got my Rogue Trader books, my 2nd Ed Codexes, the Wargaming Terrain book etc too
Started back in 1994, though "technically" 1993 with Space Hulk on the Amiga (which I still have)
This was pure nostalgia.
I absolutely love this! Absolutely do more 2nd edition stuff!
Hiding my minis in a gym bag when going around downtown, thootpick cactus and cardboard bunkers.
Ah, the 90s shame!
Haha. It was the way.
This is so cool, proper nostalgia feels. Gotta get my passport sorted and get over there with my Preatorians, would love to battle over that old school terrain.
Yes please! You're more than welcome.
There was a large circular raised landing pad (think sweet tin) that appeared in lots of second ed glamour shots and battle reports. It also featured in the 3rd ed rulebook as a holdover.
It features a cargo lift on one side, secondary landing pad and doors on the other, detailed walls around the outside and radial banding/stencilling on the landing surface.
I can provide you with page numbers if you are interested, it would be a very fun project and would be cool to see a modern spin on it.
Love it. Sad to hear your second ed minis were stolen! I hope it wasn't too many!
Great stuff 2ed has all the feels, sad I'm so old now! Now for car repair mesh fences and polystyrene rocks!
Haha. It has reminded me how old I now am..
Learning about MDF was a game changer for me back in the day. Especially when there were plenty of stores selling diy coasters and placemats made from it.
Could easily be cut into shape with a Stanley knife and a little patience and not subject to warping like cardboard. Still my go-to for scatter terrain bases these days.
This actually really got me in the feels! Brought me back to my teenage years. Was roleplaying (Conan: an age undreamed of) last night with 2 friends that I originally got into warhammer with 33 years ago! They'll love this!❤
I just fell in love with your channel. I am building a 90s method church and pub with scrap card, matches and wood splints. I think gamers today would love this.
I was running a game shop in Saskatoon Saskatchewan when Rogue Trader Came out, I remember us trying to piece together terrain and miniatures to play a few games. would love to see more Oldhammer content.
Wow that’s a nostalgia hit. Those red spiked cactus were in every 40K battle report in white dwarf for years.
You need some rock spires though - would really finish off the look, and can be used for both fantasy and 40k
Rattlecans for terrain!? Get a load of this bourgeoise! :P
Haha, imagine blasting through my precious spray cans so recklessly.
@@BroadswordWargaming Used to use old B&Q wall paint in a lovely mint green I found in my dad's shed back in 2nd Edition. We had fights on the same "carpet planet" with the same book hills and mint ice-cream looking base forests of ripped up sponges on twigs. Shame I lost all my 2nd Ed. Codexes though, they all had some great lore and art in them!
Never made the classic spiky cactus balls though, they still look like they hold up alright.
I was enthralled by that cacti terrain as a kid. It's such a great piece of terrain for kids new to warhammer to build.
I started my GW journey in the early 90's. Still could catch older stuff now and then and I always appreciated it. :)
Literally pulled that a exact book out of the attic last week! Feels like some cool craft projects to get the kids involved with
Absolutely love that old terrain book. Lots of memories from old White Dwarf! I definitely made those catachan jungle ball plants as well as the wire frame + bandage jungle tree. Primed them but then painted (just likey army 😂😂)
I remeber making my own grass out of sawdust I picked up from my dad's workshop, sifting it down to get it as fine and clean as possible, put it all inside a plastic bag and painting it with a can of green spray.
This is some of the stuff I remember seeing either on a table or on a shelf at a local store I use to spend my Friday nights playing magic the gathering in the esrly 2000s. Even then I thinm GW hadn't really gotten into fully supplying terrain so much was hand crafted.
Still wish id had stores even closer to me in my section of the USA that sold warhammer during the 90s. It wasn't until I was 19 or 20 when I even saw it and at the time didn't have interest in it. Wishing I did now lol.
I remember first time I learned about foam cutters, I was using serrated cheap knives to cut white packing foam, isolation in my country was made with fiberglass mats back then (like 97 or so), I was handy but still a kid so it happened what you would expect, I cut myself, not badly but we went to the ER, I told the doctor what happened and he, probably a plastic model maker or something, told my mother and I 'there are tools to cut that, it's like a scroll saw but with a wire that gets hot. I wanted one for a long time but never found one untill years later.
Ooft. Warhammer hospital trips. Glad you made it through!
When applying modpodge or PVA mixed with filler, I'll suggest stippling the coating on. This removes brush marks and adds some nice random texture. A house painting brush from the Pound Shop is ideal for this.
The finished board looks great; ideal for some 2nd Ed battle reports.
Good idea. I did end up with brush strokes in the Modge Podge (not that theyre noticable when flocked), so i'll remember that for next time. Definitely going to paint some second edition, then film, a game! :)
@@BroadswordWargaming I'm looking forward to some more 2nd Ed contact; the rules are so weird and wacky. I've watch a few games on Guerrilla Miniature Games and Second Edition Wargaming; who had several games in which Adeptus Arbites got repeatedly curb-stomped by Chaos Cultists and their daemon buddies 😄
This is honestly inspiring me to do some terrain modeling. More hills would be rad, my current terrain is flatter than the plains of Ostrobotnia.
This is some awesome classic stuff.
I'd like to see a follow up vid where you make the same items again, but with techniques you would use now.
I made a corner ruin inspired by that picture too!! It turned out great, I remember being so proud.
I had this book! It inspired me a lot of scenery. I didn't play GW games but I really liked making 28mm scenery for my friends. I was the only modeler in the group and I made a lot of stuff, from a simple tavern, to Mayan ruins for the lizardmen or temples, tombs etc...
It's such a good book, so much inspiration in there. I would love to have a crazk the the Lizardmen stuff.
the nostalgia here is just brilliant and really making me feel old!
Welcome to old age haha. We can all be sad together.
I got into the hobby in 1996 myself, and yeah, the terrain was the part I immediately gravitated too. I even got that same How to Make Wargames Terrain book. Fortunately, my father had a wood and metalworking studio (he was a professional prop maker and prop designer) so I had access to a lot of materials and tools other people didn't. For example, I'd use his jigsaw to cut out thinner pieces of plywood for basing. Didn't have to worry about that warping so much.
What a nostalgia trip. Sealing the cardboard with PVA before priming stops it absorbing the paint and fraying. Brilliant :o)
Great video. We used to make cliffs by getting large chunky blocks of polystyrene and spreading UHU glue on one side to melt the polystyrene. Worked really well. The bright green scenery just works well and should be used more often. Thanks for the vid. 👍
Great tip!
This is so awesome. I’ve been meaning to make some oldhammer-style terrain for quite a while now and this just motivated me to do it
When describing your Robin themes floor mat, The way you said "murder the bird" made me think of Rik Mayall in Young Ones.
Haha. I get compared to Rik Mayall a lot.
I-I wasn't the only one who played floorhammer using terrain books with my brother back in '97?
Nice vid, those red spine alien plants were my fave terrain pieces back in the day, still are.
This is a really fun video and full of nostalgia. A fun follow up would be to remake the same sort of terrain but to more current standards for a side by side comparison.
That how to make wargaming terrain book is one of the best products they have ever produced. Excellent value for money, and as you've shown still good today.
Oh good the memories, the nostalgia looking at those buildings and hils, really nicely done too looks exactly like the real deal
Love it, all you need is the model railway roll out mat!
That would be cool!
Man this takes me back! 1996 is exactly when I started playing!
Really great vid! I think a lot of these techniques hold up for a good playable terrain setup on the cheap! I'd love to see what new techniques you'd use to modernize the setup but with the same focus on cheap materials
This video does not make me feel at all old :) The terrain turned out great! 2nd edition 40k is still my favorite.
We are honestly in the greatest time ever for wargaming terrain. By combining old skills like these with 3D printing the sad tables of the past can be replaced by amazing terrain sets. Great time to be a wargamer.
I totally agree!
Cracking video. I've got a terrain tutor tip for the bases. Just PVA two peice of card together with the corrugated lines facing in different directions and like Olly said weigh down with a book, dry, and bevel. The intersecting lines make the base rock hard and stable. I've had some bolt action bunkers last me years with no warping.
Well done! I am an ageing Wargamer myself and this takes me way back.
Thanks mate, you brought me back in time, came to the hobby with second edition and related so well to your memories of brotherly battles over books, carpet bits and pretty much anything 😀
My pleasure!
Just the dose of nostalgic silliness I needed... Chef's kiss! Perfection!
I got into the hobby lately and found the blue book of GW Wargaming terrain & it still holds up with a bunch of great information.
I got some foam balls recently to make a few of these plus trying to make a foam version of the crashed Starbug. If I remember right when the cardboard is warped, you can put PVA on the bottom then dry for a day to undo the warping.
A lot of this terrain survived and was used in the play test area of the studio when I was there in the early 2000s. Was cool to see it.
Ah, no way! Good times to be there I bet.
Awesome video. Those book photos brought back a lot of memories
Those blocky ork war boys huts was the first piece of terrain I made out of quarter inch foam card. I also made plenty of those ruined corner buildings, also out of card.
I love the look of the terrain. I can’t wait to try and make these myself for a small village for my Minis.
I remember well the public anxiety of going outside with visible warhammer! My dads old toolbox was a handy disguise and troop transport.
Haha. Hobby shame!
Nice work.
Add your flock with newspaper spread over your table top and you can save the spare loose flock.
Haha I had that red terrain book. Remember my dad making an awesome hill with plaster of paris, flock and balsa wood, good times!
I recently found a box of unused drop ceiling tiles in my storeroom, I don't have a drop ceiling nor does anyone in my family, so I've taken to breaking them up into irregular roundish shapes and I'm currently turning them into hills for wargames with PVA glue, sand and railroad flock. Large corks lined up on the edges of the hills become concrete walls and yes, I'm even making the alien cactus plants from foam balls and tooth picks, someone *will* want these for the nostalgia of it all.
Closed my eyes and was taken back to a happy time of my teenage years! I had that book (and the miniature painting book of the same time) and made a few pieces of wibbly wobbly terrain with it's help! 😁
Also a time when you looked at Golden Demon entries and thought "I could give that a run for it's money" 🤣
Oh, and More 2nd Edition stuff please!