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Here's hoping you're still around Wes. If possible, I would like you to make a video in regards to the navy of the Empire. Thinking back to your short-form videos, you mentioned the ships have to be refuelled by hand even as the radiation melts the people's bodies. You can't just say something like that and not expand upon it. Further still though, how were the ships made? How does the warp drive work? Where did the designs come from? What are their weapons like? How many crew them? What size are they? There's a lot of stuff I wanna know!
@@rykerh2500 “Why is the battle brother asleep?” “The bloody Eldar found our weakness! Being rotated 180 degrees!” “SHITSHITSHITSHITSHIT SWIM FOR IT BROTHERS FOR THE LOVE OF THE EMPEROR”
Interesting. I recently watched a video about Tyberos. I'm glad to see you put out an hr long video to inform me about what I didn't catch. Thanks man.
Imagine everyone on your battlebarge silent, the ship engine silent and nothing is heard . . . suddenly you rip out the loudest fart you ever had, your buttcheeks flapping like a bird’s wing and the ripping fart is be heard amongst the entire ship. That’s when the Space Sharks 🦈 move from their state of being like a statue
no one would be able to enter the area for months, leaving your exploded shit stained corpse painted on the walls, your stench only overpowered by tyberos own , Throne knows what he eats.
I play dino sim games and understand how much of a rush it is to 1: stalk the target 2: wait for/look for the weakness 3: rip the throat out. That's about how I'd summarize their preferred combat methods. Wonder if these these guys are my kind of space marine.
My head canon is that the space sharks are the remains of a squadron of the second legion that betrayed their primarch to defend humanity and the emperor
Just listened to red tithe and good god, it was like listening to a pro athletic match. Each side making a play against the other and inflicting massive damage
Sevatar was definitely the unkown Legionarie that started the Carcharodons. Tyberos is such a bad ass because he inherited Jago Sevatarions Geneseed. The only man to defeat Sigismund in his prime.
I really like the carcharodons for the same reason I like the Alpha legion. They are obscure, mysterious, very unique in 40k, and most of all, just have a BALLER ascetic to their marines.
I do have a few items to defend Tyberos’ height (tho the community has definitely been hyperbolic of it). The “brothers” he is “a head taller than” are all terminators, and Space Sharks tend to be large for astartes. Combine those two facts, and he does get substantially taller than most space marines, but probably does not hold the record for largest.
I've heard this argument before but it still doesn't make sense because he's also in Terminator armor. So it's a Terminator that's a head taller than other terminators. I.e. out of armor, he's a head taller then unarmored Marines. Which is the same height as a primaris Marine. Also, there isn't anything in the lore to suggest that those who wear Terminator armor are on average physically larger than other Marines. (In fact, this is famously why there are not primaris terminators as they are too big to fit in Terminator plate.) If this ever occurs, it's more of a isolated example or the author embellishing a specific character rather than a generalized Norm.
@@weshammer I wholly agree with the first paragraph of your response. It was poor wording on my part if I implied that he is larger outside of his armor than others are inside theirs. I was trying to say that due to that combination of factors (terminator armor being slightly larger, him personally being slightly larger, and space sharks being slightly larger), he would be noticeably more imposing than a first born marine, and *potentially* more than a primaris. Certainly not primarch sized, but maybe like 10ft. Edit: I also want to clarify that I don’t think he integrated dreadnaught parts into his armor either. Just thought I’d nip that one a bit.
I view it as a continuation of the Polynesian theme. As anyone who has ever met a Samoan or a Tongan, for example, knows, they're gigantic people! When they die, they are thrown into the ocean to create new islands. Volcanic activity being responsible for islands is pure mythology.
At 47:07 can anybody determine that these rare ships maybe similar to the (I think it’s 12) 7 black fortresses that have been found ? Aka Horus heresy doomsday ships
It’s pronounced Karkarodon and kimerik It’s tyberos, not Tyberios Their armor is not white, it’s mostly grey shades with some white and bronze. Only dreads seem to be white Silent Hunter was an awful book 😂 It’s definitely Raven Guard because of mentions of the exile and the fact they use the Pale Nomad moniker. The Sharks have the blessing of the High Lords since they are part of the Pentarchy of Blood. The hot squad meant to destroy rogue chapters. Tyberos has Coraxs claws His height is not overblown because you ignored the fact that he stood a head taller than his terminators when viewed BEHIND them. That perspective would normally mean he appeared smaller. But he’s higher. So he’s definitely 12ft plus
I'll answer these in order. 1 and 2. Fair enough. I messed that one up. A couple other people also pointed out my mispronunciation. In my defense. It's a word I've never heard Spoken out loud in official media 😅 3. Subjective. I thought it was good. Though. I will admit it's the weakest of the three. 4. The text indicates that this is most likely true, but it's not 100% confirmed. They are a mysterious chapter with a mysterious legacy. Although I personally believe they are a ravengard successor as there's a lot of pretty obvious hints towards that, it would be irresponsible of me to just disregard the fact this is always presented as a a likely possibility and not a certainty when making a lore video. 5. The pentarchy of blood is in its entirety a couple of paragraphs worth of lore. It's a mysterious event that happened in the 33rd millennium. The high lords of that time are different from the ones that serve now and The text makes it pretty clear that although they absolutely are given approval in their edicts of exile, the Imperium doesn't have a copy of that. As again, that was almost 9000 years ago. That's one of the main interesting things about their relationship with the Imperium. That they remember the oaths they swore and the terms of their exile from thousands of years ago, even if the Imperium doesn't. 6. Popular fan theory with no real evidence to support it. Corax's claws did not have an under slung chain fist. They also had four blades rather than the three of hunger and slake. Also they look nothing alike. Look up the official models for both of these characters. Don't just look at fan art. 7 This is a MASSIVE reach. The text is as plain as day. He's a head taller than his brothers. The mental gymnastics required to turn a reasonable 1 foot or so height difference into 4-5 feet is crazy to me. An 8-ft tall dude is going to appear a foot taller than a 7-ft guy standing next to him whether they're 10 ft away or 100 ft away from the viewer.
I always imagine info briefings with Tyberos the Red Wake boiling down to an imperial officer or inquisitor explaining the situation, the numbers, and the statistics while all Tyberos is hearing is the sound effects for the adults in the Charlie Brown Peanuts 😂
Then he gets there and just starts tearing people in half while listening to a trap remix of baby shark, which while may not be the original plan, nobody is willing to tell him to stop.
@@danielwakefield5826I’m 46 years old, my daughter is 24 and definitely not a child, but I actually *like* the Baby Shark song. Weird, I know, but I don’t care - I like it.
The best thing about the Carcharodons is that half of their spaceship is a giant fish tank for their pet space shark. And they absolutely love that shark to bits. "welcome aboard battle brother, have you seen our shark? have you meditated upon its nature? it is us, it is what makes us carcharodons!" "yeah bro we've called space sharks so we brought a shark to space, it's not that deep... by the way mantis warriors are asking why we requisition ten million liters of RODI water and two tons of marine salt every month and i'm not sure if they will take 'water change for our megalodon tank' as an answer" This is why you don't keep your betta in a tiny bowl in Warhammer. Space Sharks will find out, they will have words to say and things to do about it, and you will not like any of it.
Average Chaos Cultist - When that 12ft tall Space marine statue moves when you turn your back to it. and you look up and see the face of death just staring down at you.
One event that Wes might not have discussed is how on the 7th Black Crusade, the Sharks saved the Blood Angels from extinction by doing a "Surprise, muthafuka" on the Black Legion and did the ol' rip & tear on the Chaos space marines.
I remember when a tech priest saw Tyberos, he thought he was a statue. You would have to be VERY VERY big to be like that, much bigger than normal Terminator or Primaris
Didn't the dude have an actual Fricking Stroke when Tyberos finally moved in the peripheral of his vision? Like, a full-on "WARNING! FEAR OVERLOAD! CARDIAC FAILURE IMMINENT!"
in that same scene however he is desribed as being "only a head taller" than the other terminators around him. his 'statueness' was because he was so *immobile*, not because of size. a regualr marine is about 7 1/2 feet tall out of armor, maybe 8ft in it. call it 9ft for a termie. primaris are about 8 1/2 feet tall out of armor. Tyberos was just the size of a primaris before there were primaris. and he was never ever compared to a primarch. that comparison is purely fan-wank as the result of the way people over exaggerate his size.
@@glitterboy2098 Nah, if he is just a bit taller than his terminator bodyguards then he is not that big that the tech priest shit himself when he saw Tyberos standing up and moving. For tech priest is probably very emotionless and will just thought "Oh, so he is actually not a statue" if he saw Tyberos standing up. I am not saying he is a big as a Primarch but I think he is still Super Big, the biggest Space Marine ever
@@scorpiontdalpha9799 here is the exact passage: He stood apart from his brethren, alone, a dozen paces behind them. Even by the standards of the Adeptus Astartes the figure was a giant, standing a head above the rest. He too was clad in Tactical Dreadnought armour, and for a moment Otte’s analytics glitched, informing him he was looking at a graven statue. A slight shift in the giant’s stance removed that possibility - dust cascaded from the cliff-like plates of his immense suit and his huge, wickedly barbed gauntlets. Every inch of the warrior was clad and armed with the most hallowed and rare pieces of wargear Otte had ever set his optics upon. It made the Space Marines standing in the giant’s shadow seem like children. He was not supposed to be here. In three centuries overseeing exchanges such as these, Otte had never once encountered him. Binaric discord filled his thought-algorithms for almost two whole seconds before he regained cognitive control. He misstepped, the slight change in motion enough for Kraph to thought-cant him. he replied, filing away the shame he felt at his moment of weakness for later analysis. Otte halted half a dozen paces from the nearest Space Marine. The rest of the Adeptus Mechanicus expedition came to a perfectly synchronised stop behind him. For a moment, there was nothing, nothing but the hissing of the wind in the sand and the flapping of crimson robes. The wind died. The dust settled with it, and suddenly what lay beyond the Space Marines became visible. A great shard of black rock jutted from the head of the valley, framing the Adeptus Astartes. A crevasse was open in its flank, a jagged, lightning-bolt split in the stone that led to a darkness so complete Otte’s bionics could not penetrate it. ‘H-hail and well met, children of the void,’ the magos said, his external vox-units stuttering slightly as they came online and issued the pre-recorded greeting. ‘I am Magos Primary Otte Benedikt, of Exploration Fleet 2-8-17 Arc Lux. I thank you on behalf of the Omnissiah for this audience. May it serve us both.’ MacNiven, Robbie. Outer Dark (Carcharodons Book 2) (pp. 12-14). Kindle Edition. it is very specific about "a head above the rest",. and the techpriest did not 'shit himself', in fact from the text he was not even afraid. just a touch put out of sorts because the chapter master being present at those exchanges was unusual. and it threw him off his practiced and long used ritual. this is why you actually read the book instead of relying on youtubers and wiki's.
@@scorpiontdalpha9799 sorry, no. from the book directly: The truth was, if the beings Otte was about to meet decided to engage in hostilities, the skitarii present would not be enough to significantly increase the likelihood of his survival. Without doubt the combat assets escorting the Adeptus Mechanicus exploration vessels in stasis anchorage above would be enough to cripple the warships with which they shared orbit, perhaps even destroy them. Otte, however, knew that the likelihood of him still being even partly functional by that point was statistically negligible. Those they were about to meet rarely took survivors. He could see them now, their bulky outlines a few hundred yards ahead, his green optic clusters stripping away the grey, wind-whipped dust that shrouded them. It bit and chafed at the few remaining organic scraps of his body, and befouled the mechanical purity of his metallic form with a million insidious grains. It would take weeks of lubricant salves and auto-benedictions to purge himself of this filthy backwater world. He deleted such secondary concerns from his consciousness, the brief spike of anger that accompanied them vanishing as he ran an override on all background considerations. Focus. He could not afford a miscalculation, not now. Behind him Explorator Deitrich and his bibliovore logis, Severus, were barely resisting the urge to overtake the magos primary. Deitrich had worked hard to mask his excitement during their long warp transit, but the explorator’s reserve was coming undone now that he was drawing close to so much prized archeotech. It was easier for Otte to suppress his own desires to claim the blessed relics for Mars. Deitrich, after all, wasn’t the one who had to negotiate with their current owners. Those owners were only twelve in number, and they waited impassively as Otte and his skitarii approached. The magos primary completed his scans as he closed the last few dozen yards, logging every detail as a matter of potential importance. Six of the figures, the ones on the flanks, were clad in Tactical Dreadnought armour, their off-white slabs of plasteel, ceramite and adamantium caked with the valley’s pervasive dust. Otte’s internal processor registered a degree of awe at the presence of such blessed battle suits, even as his analysis moved on to the other six. They made for a less uniform gathering. All were Space Marines, two in the grey power armour that predominated in this particular Chapter, two in the blue battleplate that Otte’s data files informed him belonged to sanctioned Adeptus Astartes psykers. The fifth wore red ceramite, and bore upon his breastplate the wondrous Machina Opus of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Approval at the presence of the Techmarine barely registered before Otte took in the final figure. He stood apart from his brethren, alone, a dozen paces behind them. Even by the standards of the Adeptus Astartes the figure was a giant, standing a head above the rest. He too was clad in Tactical Dreadnought armour, and for a moment Otte’s analytics glitched, informing him he was looking at a graven statue. A slight shift in the giant’s stance removed that possibility - dust cascaded from the cliff-like plates of his immense suit and his huge, wickedly barbed gauntlets. Every inch of the warrior was clad and armed with the most hallowed and rare pieces of wargear Otte had ever set his optics upon. It made the Space Marines standing in the giant’s shadow seem like children. He was not supposed to be here. In three centuries overseeing exchanges such as these, Otte had never once encountered him. Binaric discord filled his thought-algorithms for almost two whole seconds before he regained cognitive control. He misstepped, the slight change in motion enough for Kraph to thought-cant him. he replied, filing away the shame he felt at his moment of weakness for later analysis. Otte halted half a dozen paces from the nearest Space Marine. The rest of the Adeptus Mechanicus expedition came to a perfectly synchronised stop behind him. For a moment, there was nothing, nothing but the hissing of the wind in the sand and the flapping of crimson robes. The wind died. The dust settled with it, and suddenly what lay beyond the Space Marines became visible. A great shard of black rock jutted from the head of the valley, framing the Adeptus Astartes. A crevasse was open in its flank, a jagged, lightning-bolt split in the stone that led to a darkness so complete Otte’s bionics could not penetrate it. ‘H-hail and well met, children of the void,’ the magos said, his external vox-units stuttering slightly as they came online and issued the pre-recorded greeting. ‘I am Magos Primary Otte Benedikt, of Exploration Fleet 2-8-17 Arc Lux. I thank you on behalf of the Omnissiah for this audience. May it serve us both.’ MacNiven, Robbie. Outer Dark (Carcharodons Book 2) (pp. 11-14). Kindle Edition. it is very specific about "only a head taller", and the techpriest did not react in fear much less 'shit himself'.. the fact that the chapter master was present was unusual, since it had never happened before, and that fact threw his thoughts out of order for a moment. he reacted not with fear but with anxiety, because the ritualized exchange was slightly different than usual. this is why you read the actual source instead of trusting wikis and youtubers who make videos based on the wikis.
I do! I’ve got about 3k in points of Astartes that I want to turn into Carcharodons; I found some cool transfers for them on Etsy. I just wish that GW would pay some attention to them and give them more than just the generic Oath of Moment ability. They should have some sort of ‘Feeding Frenzy’ ability, like “Whenever one of your opponents units suffer a melee death Carcharodons within 3” of that death go into a Feeding Frenzy that gives them +1 to hit until the end of your turn and any wound they inflict in melee until the end of your turn is a mortal wound” or something like that.
I know it's all but confirmed they're a successor of the Raven Guard, but my head canon is they're the remains of either the 2nd or 11th legion, and Tyberos is their Primarch. Which does somewhat fit the lore still. - They were exiled to the edge of the galaxy. - They worship the emperor as a god, which was almost enough to get Lorgar erased too. - Knowledge of them appears to have been expunged from the Imperium. - Tyberos is large and strong enough to be a primarch. - He weilds ancient archeotech weapons. - His past is almost entirely unknown or erased. - Despite being Primarchesque, under his armor he's horribly mutilated, showing he's survived an attack intended to kill by a very powerful foe or force.
I don't think the Carcharodons are part of the forgotten Legions. Tyberos isnt a Primarch. The Carcharodons are born of Night Lords and Raven Guard geneseed. I want it to be true that Jago Sevatarion (Sevatar) was the one who started the Carcharodons. He mentions something about Void Sharks in one of the novel's he's in. Tyberos is such a bad ass because he inherited Sevatars Geneseed. The brutality, their seclusion, etc are exactly why I believe them to be Ex renegade Astartes.
Might be on to something, and fun points even if not. The one I'd question is if he is as "epic" as a primarch. He might be as strong, though that's debatable, but I'm not sure he's done the demi-god like things the others, loyal or fallen, have achieved. But perhaps such things are part of the erased past.......hmmmmm.
Ahhh, and just thought even a factor like their ancient and proper way of speaking could be held together by the mind of a primarch. Language would change greatly without something, or someone to remember and enforce it.
Id love to see an interaction between a salamanders and a space shark chapter. Especially during a Red Tithe and see how exactly the salamanders would respond to a "loyalist" chapter straight kidnapping people.
Read stuff on the Badab War. The Salamanders and Raptors were ordered to redeploy by the Inquisition because they complained about how violent the combat was getting, especially in the habitation zones. Of course, this occurred *after* the Sharks arrived as reinforcements
It's pronounced like a *[k]* sound, not *[ch]* Carcharadon is scientific name of white shark genus, from Ancient Greek - κάρχαρος (kárkharos, “sharp, jagged”) + ὀδών (odṓn, “tooth”)
She is the Voice of the Red Wake, avatar of their spirit animal. The only Charcaradon allowed to speak on the field of Battle, and only then a single syllable
@@silentshadow9983nope its Curse of the Black Pearl. When Jack's locked up in the beginning, the guys in the cell next to em are talking about the Black Pearl and how they leave no survivors. Then Jack says the quote above.
imagine seeing a 10-foot tall built like a brick house mime with shark teeth running at you full sprint. "Only thing heard was the head of the foe tumbling down after the shark took a bite with his chain sword"
I’m Polynesian and new to warhammer 40k. After seeing the resemblance to Polynesian patterns on their armour, these guys automatically shot to the top of my favourites list (with the salamanders). I came here to learn more about how they conduct themselves. Learning that they’re a mysterious and badass unit from the shadows has made these guys truly my faves now haha. Cheers man!
I think this chapter addresses a niche left wide open in the greater narrative of the astartes as a whole, which is why they're so popular. Generally, you've got loyalist chapters, and traitor chapters. They either fight for the imperium, or fight to destroy the imperium, and that leaves a lot of grey area in between. Not *moral* grey area, strictly speaking, just grey in terms of their goals and alliances. You've got your overly cruel loyalists like the Marines Malevolent, and I'm sure there's at least a small fleet of chill plaguemarines content to grow and trade septic space zaza or whatever, but those are the exceptions to the norm, generally. What I love to see is a chapter that is sort of removed from that basic dichotomy, and is basically self-interested. Yeah, they may technically be a loyalist chapter or not, but a chapter off teh books, pursuing their own goals? That's inherently interesting. Hell, I'd want to see that more even with established chapters/legions. Imagine if Magnus started leading the Thousand Sons to gather the esoteric knowledge and reverse time? A galaxy-shaking fool's errand to manipulate fate itself and undo all they have done, with no regard to the treachery of Horus, or the savagery of Russ? They couldn't care less about taking a side in the current conflict, because if they can pull it off, it wouldn't matter anyways. Or the White Scars, quietly breaking free from the tyranny of the Imperium to find their gene-father, and carve out an enlightened home for mankind in the webway, away from the rotting ignorance and madness of the modern imperium? Cool stuff like that, completely removed from the established central tension of "Imperium vs. Chaos" that they insist on pushing. If every legion needs to be on one side or another, then it restricts the kind of nuance you can give them. There are more interesting stories to tell, and chapters like the Space Sharks prove it.
This was a very interesting read. Thank you for posting it! I tend to agree with your assessment. As I mentioned in the video it's why I struggle to get interested in a lot of loyalist chapters as when I first start reading about them they seem like the same thing that's been done a hundred times with a new paint scheme. Obviously that all starts to break away the deeper you get and you start to learn about all of the chapters nuances, but oftentimes it still feels derivative.
Can you return the 2.5 inches of height I've lost to scoliosis? I was 6 feet tall at one point before I developed scoliosis in my lower spine causing me to lose 2.5 inches.😢 Edited for spelling.
It’s heavily implied they are loyalist Night Lords in several publications. They have pale skin and black eyes (like Nostromans), have exceptional night vision, even for Astartes (like Night Lords) speak in a language nobody can understand that is very sibilant and soft spoken (nobody knows Nostroman cause the planet was destroyed over 10,000 years ago, but it’s language was described as soft, and sibilant) are exceptionally violent and prefer brutal melee and terror tactics (Night Lords tactics) their equipment is old, and cobbled together, with much of it dating from the Heresy (even their authentication codes from when they first appeared where heresy era) Space Marines refer to same Legion/chapter as brother, and other Astartes as cousin. In a novel where they meet a Night Lord, he refers to one of them as brother. Nobody knows what happened to Sevatar, 1st Captain of the Night Lords, but in another book he dreamed of a future, deep in the black void, which sounds like the Carcharadons home turf. GW will never admit for sure so people can say “I like Space Wolves, so in my head they are all Space Wolves” or “they are 1000 Sons with no psychic abilities who were cast out.” But it seems highly likely based on evidence they are Night Lords.
Im a maori and i love that this chapter is designed around my culture, man i love 40k its so wild i would have never thought they would do something like this!!
@@UGNAvalon You can simply extend "Space", when it comes to singing, it's a lot less strict than poetry, anyway my goal was to get people stuck with the song in their heads. 😈
@@logangrimnar3800I do not see Tyberos! Who is Tyberos? I don’t know, why would I ever know? Space Sharks? Who are they? I’ve never heard of them! Please don’t kill me, big statue!
I love that you'd be shittles even when you are allies with them, because they will just pop up with their old quiet void ships then in battle leaves a massacre
Magnus: *makes himself taller than Guilliman out of spite* Primaris Tyberos: *Looms over Magnus from behind* Magnus: *Shrinks back to normal*. “I apologize for my outburst.”
This is why loyalists are cool. They're just as ruthless, horrific and clkuculating as any traitor except they choose too serve a greater purpose instead of themselves.
One may argue that the Traitor Legions serve a greater purpose, too, or that the Emperor is as horrific as the chaos gods. The grey areas of 40k are one of my favorite things about how it's written.
I think they are probably the very first successor chapter before the Codex implemented by Guilliman, probably the Terra born Raven Gaurd, who then would absorb some blackshields and eventually their geneseeds were all added to the pot and slowly created the mutations.
Well to me, they are the 11th legion and Tyberos their Primarch. Yeah, there are a few solid arguments I could make but when they are my favorite loyalist chapter and 11 is my lucky number
As a Space Shark player, ie I started collecting and painting them way back in 2nd edition. One of the best parts of the Chapter is the mystery of their founding. Carcharodons have so many contradicting clues about their origin, We know they descend back to the time before the Hersey, they could have started as Terran Born War Hounds who refused the Butchers Nails, or Raven Guard sent out prior to the Drop Site Massacre, or and it's even been hinted at a couple of times, members of one of the lost or forgotten Legion. Whose histories and names have all been erased , or possible a mix of several, we might never know. My personal theory goes to the lost, mixed with both War-Hounds and Raven Guard. The theory works like this, one of the two unknown legions was ... The Rainbow Warriors (classic RT era chapter sometimes called a legion) They had a Polynesian theme based mostly on Hawaii. Something happens to their primarch purged records, etc. Most of the legion is merged into the Ultra Marines and the Imperial Fists. (Important side bar, I think the Black Templar are also based on that lost legion) The Terran Born members of that Legion were sent out by the Emperor to atone for what ever happened to their Primach, while in the outer dark they met up with other penance fleets and merged, one from the War-Hounds, and one from the Raven Guard. They kept their Polynesian traditions, but took on traits of the other two legions. This allows for the mystery of how big is Tyberos really to deepen, because in this scenario he could actually be a primarch living forgotten by all. Which would also explain why his meager forces and those of the other chapters merged into his traditions and not the other way around. Some of my reasoning for this theory comes from Games Workshop employees talking about the Rainbow Warriors as a Legion even in the 2nd edition era, and because Robbie McNiven has said that Games Workshop has a full history for the Carcharodons, and he knows the truth but can never say it.
I like your theory. I can see them cruising around, finding remnants of other Chapters and absorbing them , thus making them a hybrid chimera of badassery.
@@Knight.Of.Christ nope, there have been forge world rules sheets for Tyberos and that's it. It like many armies have to kind of figure it out, at least we can use the Space Marine Codex, some armies don't get updates each edition. ((Honestly I hate that they go though editions every couple of years and forget half the armies every time.))
Damn I wanted to main Carcharadons with an own paint theme in Space Marine 2, but they actually implemented them as an unlockable chapter. Hat off to the devs
Reports from the Badab War also mention seeing an odd personage alongside the Red Wake when he took to the field A seemingly humanoid female, small and lean, apparently an abhuman due the presence of a sharks tail and teeth in her mouth. Imperials have labeled her the Voice of the Red Wake, for she was tbe only one to speak when the attack commenced, and even then it was a single word, more a vowel and breath than anything: "A"
I’ll be real, when it comes to the Space Sharks, the first comparison I thought of was Shadows over Innsmouth. The savagery, the fish-like appearances, the emphasis on being speechless and staring, unblinking, that’s the first comparison that came to my mind. While fish people are a common thing in fiction, the Innsmouth fish people feel like a good comparison due to two reasons: one, the reasons for their behaviors. The Innsmouth citizens relied on fishing, and when they ran out of fish, and were on the brink of death, they made a deal with the Deep Ones. This led them to become fish-like, and blood thirsty, as they sacrifice humans to keep themselves alive and thriving. Maybe that could be a similar thing to the Space Sharks, since they were exiled, and should be dead without any allies or support, but seem to support themselves with the brutality of their sacrifices. And secondly, the comparison to sharks. The citizens of Innsmouth waited for night to fall before they hunted down the protagonist, getting as much information as possible before striking, all at once. Just like the Space Sharks. 29:20 these two abilities also feel Lovecraftian in a way. The mental ability of immersing the victims in nightmares, driving them insane while their bodies are left vulnerable? Summoning a literal giant sea monster? Feels very Lovecraftian, IMO.
Of all 21st Founding i find flame falcons the best chapter... Their flaming body would kill demon permanently but the Inquisition got jealous of them and called The grey knight on them... No one knows if they survived or not... But there have been sightings of them.
I really do want to believe they're either the second or eleventh chapters. Lost and the forgotten can worth for them as they either got lost to the void or forgotten. Subject 11 from the depths of the palace might have escaped and thus we have the Sharks. Or the second never actually died.
As a Samoan and Black woman, I love that the Polynesian culture is being shown some light! Glad to have you back Wes! Can you cover the Red Hunters or our favorite Sad Luck Boys the Lamenters?
I really like the fan theory that Tyberos is a thunder warrior who was converted into a space marine. I believe that there is a canonical example of a former thunder warrior in the world eaters.
@nolanbaker2360 oh its great and yes, unfortunately I have no glue or paints...so he's sadly sitting on my shelf with no arms and gunmetal grey....I have shamed the shadelord
Thanks for covering the Carcharadons. A rabid fan myself, but damn if I don't feel educated now Should you feel inclined, the Minotaurs, everyones' favourite 'loyalist' chapter, could do with the Wres treatment!
Great video , honestly liked it , the only thing I think you forgot is that in recent lore they have been seemingly brought into the fold to some degree . They were gifted the Raptors home world post Badab. I don't think they've gotten much lore since so I don't think we know what they're up to nowadays. Only reason I remembered that nugget is cuz I was deep diving myself recently as I was thinking of painting a Shark Army
As you see a massive man clad in armor unbeknownst to your knowledge of armaments you begin to hear a tune "ba-by shark doodoodpodoodoodoo baby shark doodoodoodoodoo.
You turn around to see your path blocked by a massive statue. As you gaze up at its imposing visage, the helmet turns down toward you. *”DAD-DY SHARK…”*
A few months ago, i started to write a warhammer book for shits and giggles. A silly work i called "Apocalypsis Aquarius", that involved Abaddon, an ocean planet inhabited by the tau, a tyranid invasion and the sharks. I am going into the second volume after this
Just imagine being a serf for the carcharadons, you're polishing a bolter and all of a sudden you hear something walking down the hallway and each step sounds like a refrigerator being pushed down a staircase, you turn to face the doorway and you see a space marine so large that his face is cut off by the top of doorway and in quite raspy voice just says 'when you're done here get started on mopping up the hallways' and he just walks off
It annoys me so much that Wes switches between pronouncing it as car-carodons and car-char-odons hes literally the only person ive heard pronounce it as car-char-odons
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space sharks they're my friends and a whole lot more
Here's hoping you're still around Wes.
If possible, I would like you to make a video in regards to the navy of the Empire. Thinking back to your short-form videos, you mentioned the ships have to be refuelled by hand even as the radiation melts the people's bodies. You can't just say something like that and not expand upon it.
Further still though, how were the ships made? How does the warp drive work? Where did the designs come from? What are their weapons like? How many crew them? What size are they? There's a lot of stuff I wanna know!
😊 m Li yku
How won night pored or the space sharks
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I can’t get the image of an eldar flipping a space shark upside down in zero gravity and saying “get rotated idiot.” lol 😂
“FILTHY XENO! I WILL-“
*snoring sounds*
@@feifeili1658 the snoring through the vox would be hilarious
@@rykerh2500
“Why is the battle brother asleep?”
“The bloody Eldar found our weakness! Being rotated 180 degrees!”
“SHITSHITSHITSHITSHIT SWIM FOR IT BROTHERS FOR THE LOVE OF THE EMPEROR”
Yeah, one of the W40k content creators made that into an animated skit. Doge something.
Except tybros who will eat your face for that
Interesting. I recently watched a video about Tyberos. I'm glad to see you put out an hr long video to inform me about what I didn't catch. Thanks man.
So he is just supposed to put out stuff that u haven't seen, or am I reading this wrong. U sound very sarcastic
@@thomasscharplaz7311 get a life dude
That was a positive comment
I was being sincere and honest. Sorry my thanks wasn't discernable enough to be accepted for what it was. By you anyhow.
As soon as I get to the gym, this drops. Let's go
Imagine everyone on your battlebarge silent, the ship engine silent and nothing is heard . . . suddenly you rip out the loudest fart you ever had, your buttcheeks flapping like a bird’s wing and the ripping fart is be heard amongst the entire ship. That’s when the Space Sharks 🦈 move from their state of being like a statue
Tyberos just walks up to you and rips one so much louder and oderous that you literally burst like a crack grenade. For daring to disturb his silence.
Hits you with a shark shart.
@@ThaxtonCook Haha probably true, he would show his dominance and put you into place by marking his territory
no one would be able to enter the area for months, leaving your exploded shit stained corpse painted on the walls, your stench only overpowered by tyberos own , Throne knows what he eats.
Wes thanks for all the time you put in for these information, it is not wasted my friend
I play dino sim games and understand how much of a rush it is to
1: stalk the target
2: wait for/look for the weakness
3: rip the throat out.
That's about how I'd summarize their preferred combat methods.
Wonder if these these guys are my kind of space marine.
My head canon is that the space sharks are the remains of a squadron of the second legion that betrayed their primarch to defend humanity and the emperor
Just listened to red tithe and good god, it was like listening to a pro athletic match. Each side making a play against the other and inflicting massive damage
Sevatar was definitely the unkown Legionarie that started the Carcharodons.
Tyberos is such a bad ass because he inherited Jago Sevatarions Geneseed. The only man to defeat Sigismund in his prime.
I really like the carcharodons for the same reason I like the Alpha legion. They are obscure, mysterious, very unique in 40k, and most of all, just have a BALLER ascetic to their marines.
This is what I mean. Deep dive based on the books. No room for nonsense
I’ve never heard of them being mentioned as two chapters but Carcharadon Astra is Latin-esque high gothic for space shark
I do have a few items to defend Tyberos’ height (tho the community has definitely been hyperbolic of it). The “brothers” he is “a head taller than” are all terminators, and Space Sharks tend to be large for astartes. Combine those two facts, and he does get substantially taller than most space marines, but probably does not hold the record for largest.
I've heard this argument before but it still doesn't make sense because he's also in Terminator armor. So it's a Terminator that's a head taller than other terminators. I.e. out of armor, he's a head taller then unarmored Marines. Which is the same height as a primaris Marine.
Also, there isn't anything in the lore to suggest that those who wear Terminator armor are on average physically larger than other Marines. (In fact, this is famously why there are not primaris terminators as they are too big to fit in Terminator plate.) If this ever occurs, it's more of a isolated example or the author embellishing a specific character rather than a generalized Norm.
@@weshammer I wholly agree with the first paragraph of your response. It was poor wording on my part if I implied that he is larger outside of his armor than others are inside theirs.
I was trying to say that due to that combination of factors (terminator armor being slightly larger, him personally being slightly larger, and space sharks being slightly larger), he would be noticeably more imposing than a first born marine, and *potentially* more than a primaris.
Certainly not primarch sized, but maybe like 10ft.
Edit: I also want to clarify that I don’t think he integrated dreadnaught parts into his armor either. Just thought I’d nip that one a bit.
I view it as a continuation of the Polynesian theme. As anyone who has ever met a Samoan or a Tongan, for example, knows, they're gigantic people! When they die, they are thrown into the ocean to create new islands. Volcanic activity being responsible for islands is pure mythology.
1:05:07 best line I have heard all these two weeks that is fucking aswom and it kinda looks like he is holding beeer int athat image
Excellent video
At 47:07 can anybody determine that these rare ships maybe similar to the (I think it’s 12) 7 black fortresses that have been found ? Aka Horus heresy doomsday ships
I like to think Tyberos is the 11th primark
"Space is haunted..." 😂😂😂😂
It’s pronounced Karkarodon and kimerik
It’s tyberos, not Tyberios
Their armor is not white, it’s mostly grey shades with some white and bronze. Only dreads seem to be white
Silent Hunter was an awful book 😂
It’s definitely Raven Guard because of mentions of the exile and the fact they use the Pale Nomad moniker.
The Sharks have the blessing of the High Lords since they are part of the Pentarchy of Blood. The hot squad meant to destroy rogue chapters.
Tyberos has Coraxs claws
His height is not overblown because you ignored the fact that he stood a head taller than his terminators when viewed BEHIND them. That perspective would normally mean he appeared smaller. But he’s higher. So he’s definitely 12ft plus
I'll answer these in order.
1 and 2. Fair enough. I messed that one up. A couple other people also pointed out my mispronunciation. In my defense. It's a word I've never heard Spoken out loud in official media 😅
3. Subjective. I thought it was good. Though. I will admit it's the weakest of the three.
4. The text indicates that this is most likely true, but it's not 100% confirmed. They are a mysterious chapter with a mysterious legacy. Although I personally believe they are a ravengard successor as there's a lot of pretty obvious hints towards that, it would be irresponsible of me to just disregard the fact this is always presented as a a likely possibility and not a certainty when making a lore video.
5. The pentarchy of blood is in its entirety a couple of paragraphs worth of lore. It's a mysterious event that happened in the 33rd millennium. The high lords of that time are different from the ones that serve now and The text makes it pretty clear that although they absolutely are given approval in their edicts of exile, the Imperium doesn't have a copy of that. As again, that was almost 9000 years ago. That's one of the main interesting things about their relationship with the Imperium. That they remember the oaths they swore and the terms of their exile from thousands of years ago, even if the Imperium doesn't.
6. Popular fan theory with no real evidence to support it. Corax's claws did not have an under slung chain fist. They also had four blades rather than the three of hunger and slake. Also they look nothing alike. Look up the official models for both of these characters. Don't just look at fan art.
7 This is a MASSIVE reach. The text is as plain as day. He's a head taller than his brothers. The mental gymnastics required to turn a reasonable 1 foot or so height difference into 4-5 feet is crazy to me. An 8-ft tall dude is going to appear a foot taller than a 7-ft guy standing next to him whether they're 10 ft away or 100 ft away from the viewer.
The video's title is beyond perfect.
The words "Carcharodons" "deep" and "dive"
Were made to be used together
@SordidusFellatio I can confirm I was the endless void of pre creation
@SordidusFellatiookie cry more.
Move on. And it's not relevant to the topic of this video
@@lordoblivion8038shhh, shhh, do you want to alert the rabid horde?
reading this was the perfect ending to the video
@SordidusFellatioCringe
People of Terra:”tf is an ocean?”
I heard Constantine valdor assinated some lady for "Stealing Terra's oceans" or some wild shit like that.
Underrated comment.
its like the warp but more wet
@goldxahn5247 tell that to Slaneesh though.
@@spencernolan4095it's like the warp but more wet, Slaanesh.
"Hey fellow GW writers, how do i explain and describe that muh space marine is special ?"
"BIG."
Or just pick any random Ultramarine and give him a name
Now I'm tempted to make up a chapter of giants, like Ogryn Marines who have a super hard time just trying to find armor
I think Moto Moto likes you
Wonder what the Boyz would think of them 😂
@@CheffBryansons of antheus is the chapter yer looking for bud
Bunch a big chunguses that don’t feel pain
I always imagine info briefings with Tyberos the Red Wake boiling down to an imperial officer or inquisitor explaining the situation, the numbers, and the statistics while all Tyberos is hearing is the sound effects for the adults in the Charlie Brown Peanuts 😂
Then he gets there and just starts tearing people in half while listening to a trap remix of baby shark, which while may not be the original plan, nobody is willing to tell him to stop.
I imagine the baby shark song going through his head while getting the briefing
Just every shark themed song burned into a single playlist on a constant randomized loop. Baby Shark, Jaws, the whole nine yards.
@@danielwakefield5826I’m 46 years old, my daughter is 24 and definitely not a child, but I actually *like* the Baby Shark song. Weird, I know, but I don’t care - I like it.
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The best thing about the Carcharodons is that half of their spaceship is a giant fish tank for their pet space shark. And they absolutely love that shark to bits.
"welcome aboard battle brother, have you seen our shark? have you meditated upon its nature? it is us, it is what makes us carcharodons!"
"yeah bro we've called space sharks so we brought a shark to space, it's not that deep... by the way mantis warriors are asking why we requisition ten million liters of RODI water and two tons of marine salt every month and i'm not sure if they will take 'water change for our megalodon tank' as an answer"
This is why you don't keep your betta in a tiny bowl in Warhammer. Space Sharks will find out, they will have words to say and things to do about it, and you will not like any of it.
"Words" is a very concise description of physical annihilation methinks
Space Wolves giving their Thunder Wolves belly rubs: These guys get it.
@@alannatherson7721 I love the idea of animal rights marines
The Space Sharks 🦈 are sexy and arouse me
Random Dark Angels : "So um... Caan you teach us how to conceal bullshittery from the inquisition ?"
Be really really really far away and be very very scary
Ha Ha 🤣
Step 1 is completely disappear from Imperial records. Step 2 is mostly disappear from Imperial space
They pretty much have carte Blanche from the High Lords since they are part of the Pentarchy
They also have ancient chain codes to confirm their identity so I imagine there is some reverence because old means good in the imperium
When Tyberos is near, the Jaws Theme plays
*YOU DO NOT SEE TYBEROS THE RED WAKE!!*
Nah, baby shark plays.
@@radcut7404 they would probably play that during torture
He's singing it.
@@theVulcanGuy The idea of Tyberos the Red Wake humming baby shark to himself is the best thing ever.
Average Chaos Cultist - When that 12ft tall Space marine statue moves when you turn your back to it. and you look up and see the face of death just staring down at you.
SCP 173 in the 40k universe be like
MY BOIS!!! RED WAKE! RED WAKE! RED WAKE! "Those who gain the Red Wake's ire are damned to drown in his depths!"
Whoa whoa whoa. That is *so* inappropriate!
@@wayward5219 in what way?
Space shark came, destroyed the enemy in gory mess, left, refuses to elaborate.
One event that Wes might not have discussed is how on the 7th Black Crusade, the Sharks saved the Blood Angels from extinction by doing a "Surprise, muthafuka" on the Black Legion and did the ol' rip & tear on the Chaos space marines.
I remember when a tech priest saw Tyberos, he thought he was a statue. You would have to be VERY VERY big to be like that, much bigger than normal Terminator or Primaris
Didn't the dude have an actual Fricking Stroke when Tyberos finally moved in the peripheral of his vision?
Like, a full-on "WARNING! FEAR OVERLOAD! CARDIAC FAILURE IMMINENT!"
in that same scene however he is desribed as being "only a head taller" than the other terminators around him. his 'statueness' was because he was so *immobile*, not because of size. a regualr marine is about 7 1/2 feet tall out of armor, maybe 8ft in it. call it 9ft for a termie. primaris are about 8 1/2 feet tall out of armor. Tyberos was just the size of a primaris before there were primaris.
and he was never ever compared to a primarch. that comparison is purely fan-wank as the result of the way people over exaggerate his size.
@@glitterboy2098 Nah, if he is just a bit taller than his terminator bodyguards then he is not that big that the tech priest shit himself when he saw Tyberos standing up and moving. For tech priest is probably very emotionless and will just thought "Oh, so he is actually not a statue" if he saw Tyberos standing up.
I am not saying he is a big as a Primarch but I think he is still Super Big, the biggest Space Marine ever
@@scorpiontdalpha9799
here is the exact passage:
He stood apart from his brethren, alone, a dozen paces behind them. Even by the standards of the Adeptus Astartes the figure was a giant, standing a head above the rest. He too was clad in Tactical Dreadnought armour, and for a moment Otte’s analytics glitched, informing him he was looking at a graven statue. A slight shift in the giant’s stance removed that possibility - dust cascaded from the cliff-like plates of his immense suit and his huge, wickedly barbed gauntlets. Every inch of the warrior was clad and armed with the most hallowed and rare pieces of wargear Otte had ever set his optics upon. It made the Space Marines standing in the giant’s shadow seem like children. He was not supposed to be here. In three centuries overseeing exchanges such as these, Otte had never once encountered him. Binaric discord filled his thought-algorithms for almost two whole seconds before he regained cognitive control. He misstepped, the slight change in motion enough for Kraph to thought-cant him. he replied, filing away the shame he felt at his moment of weakness for later analysis. Otte halted half a dozen paces from the nearest Space Marine. The rest of the Adeptus Mechanicus expedition came to a perfectly synchronised stop behind him. For a moment, there was nothing, nothing but the hissing of the wind in the sand and the flapping of crimson robes. The wind died. The dust settled with it, and suddenly what lay beyond the Space Marines became visible. A great shard of black rock jutted from the head of the valley, framing the Adeptus Astartes. A crevasse was open in its flank, a jagged, lightning-bolt split in the stone that led to a darkness so complete Otte’s bionics could not penetrate it. ‘H-hail and well met, children of the void,’ the magos said, his external vox-units stuttering slightly as they came online and issued the pre-recorded greeting. ‘I am Magos Primary Otte Benedikt, of Exploration Fleet 2-8-17 Arc Lux. I thank you on behalf of the Omnissiah for this audience. May it serve us both.’
MacNiven, Robbie. Outer Dark (Carcharodons Book 2) (pp. 12-14). Kindle Edition.
it is very specific about "a head above the rest",. and the techpriest did not 'shit himself', in fact from the text he was not even afraid. just a touch put out of sorts because the chapter master being present at those exchanges was unusual. and it threw him off his practiced and long used ritual.
this is why you actually read the book instead of relying on youtubers and wiki's.
@@scorpiontdalpha9799 sorry, no. from the book directly:
The truth was, if the beings Otte was about to meet decided to engage in hostilities, the skitarii present would not be enough to significantly increase the likelihood of his survival. Without doubt the combat assets escorting the Adeptus Mechanicus exploration vessels in stasis anchorage above would be enough to cripple the warships with which they shared orbit, perhaps even destroy them. Otte, however, knew that the likelihood of him still being even partly functional by that point was statistically negligible. Those they were about to meet rarely took survivors. He could see them now, their bulky outlines a few hundred yards ahead, his green optic clusters stripping away the grey, wind-whipped dust that shrouded them. It bit and chafed at the few remaining organic scraps of his body, and befouled the mechanical purity of his metallic form with a million insidious grains. It would take weeks of lubricant salves and auto-benedictions to purge himself of this filthy backwater world. He deleted such secondary concerns from his consciousness, the brief spike of anger that accompanied them vanishing as he ran an override on all background considerations. Focus. He could not afford a miscalculation, not now. Behind him Explorator Deitrich and his bibliovore logis, Severus, were barely resisting the urge to overtake the magos primary. Deitrich had worked hard to mask his excitement during their long warp transit, but the explorator’s reserve was coming undone now that he was drawing close to so much prized archeotech. It was easier for Otte to suppress his own desires to claim the blessed relics for Mars. Deitrich, after all, wasn’t the one who had to negotiate with their current owners. Those owners were only twelve in number, and they waited impassively as Otte and his skitarii approached. The magos primary completed his scans as he closed the last few dozen yards, logging every detail as a matter of potential importance. Six of the figures, the ones on the flanks, were clad in Tactical Dreadnought armour, their off-white slabs of plasteel, ceramite and adamantium caked with the valley’s pervasive dust. Otte’s internal processor registered a degree of awe at the presence of such blessed battle suits, even as his analysis moved on to the other six. They made for a less uniform gathering. All were Space Marines, two in the grey power armour that predominated in this particular Chapter, two in the blue battleplate that Otte’s data files informed him belonged to sanctioned Adeptus Astartes psykers. The fifth wore red ceramite, and bore upon his breastplate the wondrous Machina Opus of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Approval at the presence of the Techmarine barely registered before Otte took in the final figure. He stood apart from his brethren, alone, a dozen paces behind them. Even by the standards of the Adeptus Astartes the figure was a giant, standing a head above the rest. He too was clad in Tactical Dreadnought armour, and for a moment Otte’s analytics glitched, informing him he was looking at a graven statue. A slight shift in the giant’s stance removed that possibility - dust cascaded from the cliff-like plates of his immense suit and his huge, wickedly barbed gauntlets. Every inch of the warrior was clad and armed with the most hallowed and rare pieces of wargear Otte had ever set his optics upon. It made the Space Marines standing in the giant’s shadow seem like children. He was not supposed to be here. In three centuries overseeing exchanges such as these, Otte had never once encountered him. Binaric discord filled his thought-algorithms for almost two whole seconds before he regained cognitive control. He misstepped, the slight change in motion enough for Kraph to thought-cant him. he replied, filing away the shame he felt at his moment of weakness for later analysis. Otte halted half a dozen paces from the nearest Space Marine. The rest of the Adeptus Mechanicus expedition came to a perfectly synchronised stop behind him. For a moment, there was nothing, nothing but the hissing of the wind in the sand and the flapping of crimson robes. The wind died. The dust settled with it, and suddenly what lay beyond the Space Marines became visible. A great shard of black rock jutted from the head of the valley, framing the Adeptus Astartes. A crevasse was open in its flank, a jagged, lightning-bolt split in the stone that led to a darkness so complete Otte’s bionics could not penetrate it. ‘H-hail and well met, children of the void,’ the magos said, his external vox-units stuttering slightly as they came online and issued the pre-recorded greeting. ‘I am Magos Primary Otte Benedikt, of Exploration Fleet 2-8-17 Arc Lux. I thank you on behalf of the Omnissiah for this audience. May it serve us both.’
MacNiven, Robbie. Outer Dark (Carcharodons Book 2) (pp. 11-14). Kindle Edition.
it is very specific about "only a head taller", and the techpriest did not react in fear much less 'shit himself'.. the fact that the chapter master was present was unusual, since it had never happened before, and that fact threw his thoughts out of order for a moment. he reacted not with fear but with anxiety, because the ritualized exchange was slightly different than usual.
this is why you read the actual source instead of trusting wikis and youtubers who make videos based on the wikis.
I’m calling it now this will end up being one of Wes’s most popular videos everyone loves the space sharks 🦈
I do! I’ve got about 3k in points of Astartes that I want to turn into Carcharodons; I found some cool transfers for them on Etsy. I just wish that GW would pay some attention to them and give them more than just the generic Oath of Moment ability. They should have some sort of ‘Feeding Frenzy’ ability, like “Whenever one of your opponents units suffer a melee death Carcharodons within 3” of that death go into a Feeding Frenzy that gives them +1 to hit until the end of your turn and any wound they inflict in melee until the end of your turn is a mortal wound” or something like that.
I know it's all but confirmed they're a successor of the Raven Guard, but my head canon is they're the remains of either the 2nd or 11th legion, and Tyberos is their Primarch.
Which does somewhat fit the lore still.
- They were exiled to the edge of the galaxy.
- They worship the emperor as a god, which was almost enough to get Lorgar erased too.
- Knowledge of them appears to have been expunged from the Imperium.
- Tyberos is large and strong enough to be a primarch.
- He weilds ancient archeotech weapons.
- His past is almost entirely unknown or erased.
- Despite being Primarchesque, under his armor he's horribly mutilated, showing he's survived an attack intended to kill by a very powerful foe or force.
I think they have Night Lords gene seed
I like to think the same that Tyberos is one of the lost Primarch and the lore about him has been erased from history of the Imperium.
I don't think the Carcharodons are part of the forgotten Legions. Tyberos isnt a Primarch.
The Carcharodons are born of Night Lords and Raven Guard geneseed.
I want it to be true that Jago Sevatarion (Sevatar) was the one who started the Carcharodons. He mentions something about Void Sharks in one of the novel's he's in.
Tyberos is such a bad ass because he inherited Sevatars Geneseed.
The brutality, their seclusion, etc are exactly why I believe them to be Ex renegade Astartes.
Might be on to something, and fun points even if not. The one I'd question is if he is as "epic" as a primarch. He might be as strong, though that's debatable, but I'm not sure he's done the demi-god like things the others, loyal or fallen, have achieved. But perhaps such things are part of the erased past.......hmmmmm.
Ahhh, and just thought even a factor like their ancient and proper way of speaking could be held together by the mind of a primarch. Language would change greatly without something, or someone to remember and enforce it.
Id love to see an interaction between a salamanders and a space shark chapter. Especially during a Red Tithe and see how exactly the salamanders would respond to a "loyalist" chapter straight kidnapping people.
Feels like it would predictably end with the sally boys sent packing under the cheer of readers.
Read stuff on the Badab War.
The Salamanders and Raptors were ordered to redeploy by the Inquisition because they complained about how violent the combat was getting, especially in the habitation zones.
Of course, this occurred *after* the Sharks arrived as reinforcements
Loyalists are also kidnapping people, not really an issue. But they kinda have a right to do that.
Tyberos on battlefield: *stealthy semi-primarch*
Tyberos in his free time: "A-"
GURA
@theenderdestruction2362 She's his familiar don't you know?
The only Space Shark that can speak in battle
She's singing Sabaton over the vox as they tear into the enemy.
It's pronounced like a *[k]* sound, not *[ch]*
Carcharadon is scientific name of white shark genus, from Ancient Greek - κάρχαρος (kárkharos, “sharp, jagged”) + ὀδών (odṓn, “tooth”)
Never knew this Thank you
Already knew this, but thanks, reraly see anyone on the planet, who knows that :)
I hate how English has numerous spellings for the same sound. Or worse, multiple sounds for the same sets of letters. 🤦♂️
@@UGNAvalon buddy tell me about it 😂 it's terrible and it's my native tongue
It bugs me to but hey hour long video about space sharks I'll take it
SHARK DADDY IS HERE
1:17 I recognize that trident when I see one
The marine even has a shark hoodie too
gawr gura
And a Bloop servo skull.
She is the Voice of the Red Wake, avatar of their spirit animal. The only Charcaradon allowed to speak on the field of Battle, and only then a single syllable
there is a lot of fan art. most of it having little or nothing to do with the actual carcharadons as written by GW, forgeworld, and black library.
"No survivors? Then where do the stories come from, I wonder?"
From their personal data slates recorded from their helmet's lenses.
What movie/show …. I know it but can’t place it
@@vlkafenryka788 Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl.
@@peterallen5575I think he was talking about “Dead Men Tell no Tales” but you got the franchise right
@@silentshadow9983nope its Curse of the Black Pearl.
When Jack's locked up in the beginning, the guys in the cell next to em are talking about the Black Pearl and how they leave no survivors. Then Jack says the quote above.
The Shorks need to have a specialist Librarian unit called the All-Blacks, who use a psychic rite based on the haka to unnerve the enemy.
Oh hell yes
This would be brilliant. Having power tiahas and patu's would be a brilliant addition
As a kiwi, I approve
imagine seeing a 10-foot tall built like a brick house mime with shark teeth running at you full sprint.
"Only thing heard was the head of the foe tumbling down after the shark took a bite with his chain sword"
I’m Polynesian and new to warhammer 40k. After seeing the resemblance to Polynesian patterns on their armour, these guys automatically shot to the top of my favourites list (with the salamanders). I came here to learn more about how they conduct themselves. Learning that they’re a mysterious and badass unit from the shadows has made these guys truly my faves now haha. Cheers man!
They’re also insanely tough. One Carcharadon got bisected by a Harlequin once, and he survived long enough to receive medical treatment and recover.
Having The Red Wake standing anywhere menacincly looking at you is without a doubt the scariest thing I can imagine about the 40K universe xD
That demonstration of why they're called the Red Brethren is the funniest thing I've seen all week.
I think this chapter addresses a niche left wide open in the greater narrative of the astartes as a whole, which is why they're so popular.
Generally, you've got loyalist chapters, and traitor chapters. They either fight for the imperium, or fight to destroy the imperium, and that leaves a lot of grey area in between. Not *moral* grey area, strictly speaking, just grey in terms of their goals and alliances. You've got your overly cruel loyalists like the Marines Malevolent, and I'm sure there's at least a small fleet of chill plaguemarines content to grow and trade septic space zaza or whatever, but those are the exceptions to the norm, generally.
What I love to see is a chapter that is sort of removed from that basic dichotomy, and is basically self-interested. Yeah, they may technically be a loyalist chapter or not, but a chapter off teh books, pursuing their own goals? That's inherently interesting. Hell, I'd want to see that more even with established chapters/legions. Imagine if Magnus started leading the Thousand Sons to gather the esoteric knowledge and reverse time? A galaxy-shaking fool's errand to manipulate fate itself and undo all they have done, with no regard to the treachery of Horus, or the savagery of Russ? They couldn't care less about taking a side in the current conflict, because if they can pull it off, it wouldn't matter anyways.
Or the White Scars, quietly breaking free from the tyranny of the Imperium to find their gene-father, and carve out an enlightened home for mankind in the webway, away from the rotting ignorance and madness of the modern imperium?
Cool stuff like that, completely removed from the established central tension of "Imperium vs. Chaos" that they insist on pushing. If every legion needs to be on one side or another, then it restricts the kind of nuance you can give them. There are more interesting stories to tell, and chapters like the Space Sharks prove it.
This was a very interesting read. Thank you for posting it! I tend to agree with your assessment. As I mentioned in the video it's why I struggle to get interested in a lot of loyalist chapters as when I first start reading about them they seem like the same thing that's been done a hundred times with a new paint scheme. Obviously that all starts to break away the deeper you get and you start to learn about all of the chapters nuances, but oftentimes it still feels derivative.
Thank you for covering my favorite faction finally!
Tyberos is if the Shark from jaws did the fusion dance with Doom Slayer...
“Just one inch away from greatness”
The Emperor does not make mistakes in his designs, brother
Praise the emperor!
Wes, as a 6'5 individual who sits on the council of tall, I hereby grant you the title of honorary 6 foot
🥲thank you
@@weshammer oh shit!! Hi Wes I'm a big fan
As a '7"0 member of the council I second this motion.
Too much to ask for a '5"7 squat?
Can you return the 2.5 inches of height I've lost to scoliosis? I was 6 feet tall at one point before I developed scoliosis in my lower spine causing me to lose 2.5 inches.😢
Edited for spelling.
The Space sharks are a loyalist warband.
It’s heavily implied they are loyalist Night Lords in several publications. They have pale skin and black eyes (like Nostromans), have exceptional night vision, even for Astartes (like Night Lords) speak in a language nobody can understand that is very sibilant and soft spoken (nobody knows Nostroman cause the planet was destroyed over 10,000 years ago, but it’s language was described as soft, and sibilant) are exceptionally violent and prefer brutal melee and terror tactics (Night Lords tactics) their equipment is old, and cobbled together, with much of it dating from the Heresy (even their authentication codes from when they first appeared where heresy era) Space Marines refer to same Legion/chapter as brother, and other Astartes as cousin. In a novel where they meet a Night Lord, he refers to one of them as brother. Nobody knows what happened to Sevatar, 1st Captain of the Night Lords, but in another book he dreamed of a future, deep in the black void, which sounds like the Carcharadons home turf. GW will never admit for sure so people can say “I like Space Wolves, so in my head they are all Space Wolves” or “they are 1000 Sons with no psychic abilities who were cast out.” But it seems highly likely based on evidence they are Night Lords.
I like the theory they are a mix of Raven Guard and Night Lords gene seed.@TheSniperGTO
@@TheSniperGTOThem being Night Lords makes the most sense.
@@dclangst I think I agree more with Winterstuch. I think they're a chimeric chapter of both Night Lords and Raven Guard.
2:58 I'm 5 ft 11 3/4 inches. I felt this in my soul.
We're 6 ft with shoes on brother!.... 🥲😭
@@weshammer my brothers... its nice to be home😂
Finally I fit in 😭
Same bro. Comes down to the mercy of whoever is measuring
Im a maori and i love that this chapter is designed around my culture, man i love 40k its so wild i would have never thought they would do something like this!!
Space Sharks, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.
Space Sharks, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.
Space Sharks, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.
Space Sharks!😈😈😈
😂😂😂
Needs 3 syllables 🤔
“As-tral sharks”?
“ Shark Ma-rines”?
@@UGNAvalon You can simply extend "Space", when it comes to singing, it's a lot less strict than poetry, anyway my goal was to get people stuck with the song in their heads. 😈
Tiberus, doo, doo, doo,doo, doo, doo,doo, doo, doo,doo, doo, doo,doo, doo, doo,doo, doo, doo,doo, doo, doo,doo, doo, doo,doo, doo, doo,doo, doo, doo,doo, doo, doo,doo, doo, doo,doo, doo, doo,
Astral shark.
YOU DO NOT SEE TYBEROS!!
Intimidation +13?
@@OdinAUT tyberous doesn't roll for intimidation. It is just a 20 no matter what
@@nolanbaker2360 Ah of course, makes sense.
LET'S SAY, HYPOTHETICALLY, YOU *DO* SEE TYBEROS, OK? HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE OUTCOME OF WHAT I, TYBEROS, AM ABOUT TO DO TO YOU?"
@@logangrimnar3800I do not see Tyberos! Who is Tyberos? I don’t know, why would I ever know? Space Sharks? Who are they? I’ve never heard of them! Please don’t kill me, big statue!
I love that you'd be shittles even when you are allies with them, because they will just pop up with their old quiet void ships then in battle leaves a massacre
Thank you for sharing my Garry’s mod picture 15:09 "Red Corsairs facing Carcharodon Terminator"
Much appreciated
Magnus: *makes himself taller than Guilliman out of spite*
Primaris Tyberos: *Looms over Magnus from behind*
Magnus: *Shrinks back to normal*. “I apologize for my outburst.”
Outboist*
This is why loyalists are cool. They're just as ruthless, horrific and clkuculating as any traitor except they choose too serve a greater purpose instead of themselves.
One may argue that the Traitor Legions serve a greater purpose, too, or that the Emperor is as horrific as the chaos gods.
The grey areas of 40k are one of my favorite things about how it's written.
WH40K is a setting with no real good guys. Everyone is a villain to some degree.
But they don't choose. They're taken as children and psycho-indoctrinated into near-unswerving loyalty.
We gonna massacre the astral claws with this one brothers
I think they are probably the very first successor chapter before the Codex implemented by Guilliman, probably the Terra born Raven Gaurd, who then would absorb some blackshields and eventually their geneseeds were all added to the pot and slowly created the mutations.
Well to me, they are the 11th legion and Tyberos their Primarch.
Yeah, there are a few solid arguments I could make but when they are my favorite loyalist chapter and 11 is my lucky number
I agree they may possibly be a lost group of astartes but claiming tyberos is a primarch is foolish at best
Space sharks are best chapter tho
The twist is the Primarch is actually the Megaladon who was mutated thus then removed from the records
@nolanbaker2360 you might be right but it would explain his massive size, which is comparable to a primarch.
@Minimoz I mean, they do start ti resemble sharks with their eyes and skin so becoming a shark is just the logical conclusion of where it'd end.
As a Space Shark player, ie I started collecting and painting them way back in 2nd edition. One of the best parts of the Chapter is the mystery of their founding. Carcharodons have so many contradicting clues about their origin, We know they descend back to the time before the Hersey, they could have started as Terran Born War Hounds who refused the Butchers Nails, or Raven Guard sent out prior to the Drop Site Massacre, or and it's even been hinted at a couple of times, members of one of the lost or forgotten Legion. Whose histories and names have all been erased , or possible a mix of several, we might never know.
My personal theory goes to the lost, mixed with both War-Hounds and Raven Guard.
The theory works like this, one of the two unknown legions was ... The Rainbow Warriors (classic RT era chapter sometimes called a legion) They had a Polynesian theme based mostly on Hawaii. Something happens to their primarch purged records, etc. Most of the legion is merged into the Ultra Marines and the Imperial Fists. (Important side bar, I think the Black Templar are also based on that lost legion)
The Terran Born members of that Legion were sent out by the Emperor to atone for what ever happened to their Primach, while in the outer dark they met up with other penance fleets and merged, one from the War-Hounds, and one from the Raven Guard. They kept their Polynesian traditions, but took on traits of the other two legions. This allows for the mystery of how big is Tyberos really to deepen, because in this scenario he could actually be a primarch living forgotten by all. Which would also explain why his meager forces and those of the other chapters merged into his traditions and not the other way around.
Some of my reasoning for this theory comes from Games Workshop employees talking about the Rainbow Warriors as a Legion even in the 2nd edition era, and because Robbie McNiven has said that Games Workshop has a full history for the Carcharodons, and he knows the truth but can never say it.
I like your theory. I can see them cruising around, finding remnants of other Chapters and absorbing them , thus making them a hybrid chimera of badassery.
There is a Carcharodon rule book?
@@Knight.Of.Christ nope, there have been forge world rules sheets for Tyberos and that's it.
It like many armies have to kind of figure it out, at least we can use the Space Marine Codex, some armies don't get updates each edition. ((Honestly I hate that they go though editions every couple of years and forget half the armies every time.))
@@gothicshark Ooh ok. It is odd that they don't release one. I'll be looking for the Tyberos one.
Damn I wanted to main Carcharadons with an own paint theme in Space Marine 2, but they actually implemented them as an unlockable chapter. Hat off to the devs
As a Pacific Islander, I have my new favourite Space Marine Chapter 🤷♂️
Fuck yeah, woke up on time, got a job interview, and a new deep dive on my favorite cursed chapter.
Ah, Gawr Gura's Marines, the Space Sharks.
The last word a heretic says before they die by the Carcharadons is "A-"
I wonder if Gura actually knows about them?😂 It would be absolutely hilarious!
@@davidkoudelka10I'm sure someone's told her. There's artwork of her as one
Don’t forget Skaven Queen Bae & Eldar Goddess Fauna! 🙃
@@UGNAvalon I don't know, I think Fauna fits well as Nurgle's Herald
Reports from the Badab War also mention seeing an odd personage alongside the Red Wake when he took to the field
A seemingly humanoid female, small and lean, apparently an abhuman due the presence of a sharks tail and teeth in her mouth.
Imperials have labeled her the Voice of the Red Wake, for she was tbe only one to speak when the attack commenced, and even then it was a single word, more a vowel and breath than anything:
"A"
Stinky shork.
I’ll be real, when it comes to the Space Sharks, the first comparison I thought of was Shadows over Innsmouth. The savagery, the fish-like appearances, the emphasis on being speechless and staring, unblinking, that’s the first comparison that came to my mind.
While fish people are a common thing in fiction, the Innsmouth fish people feel like a good comparison due to two reasons: one, the reasons for their behaviors. The Innsmouth citizens relied on fishing, and when they ran out of fish, and were on the brink of death, they made a deal with the Deep Ones. This led them to become fish-like, and blood thirsty, as they sacrifice humans to keep themselves alive and thriving. Maybe that could be a similar thing to the Space Sharks, since they were exiled, and should be dead without any allies or support, but seem to support themselves with the brutality of their sacrifices. And secondly, the comparison to sharks. The citizens of Innsmouth waited for night to fall before they hunted down the protagonist, getting as much information as possible before striking, all at once. Just like the Space Sharks.
29:20 these two abilities also feel Lovecraftian in a way. The mental ability of immersing the victims in nightmares, driving them insane while their bodies are left vulnerable? Summoning a literal giant sea monster? Feels very Lovecraftian, IMO.
Of all 21st Founding i find flame falcons the best chapter... Their flaming body would kill demon permanently but the Inquisition got jealous of them and called The grey knight on them... No one knows if they survived or not... But there have been sightings of them.
The Rending Maw ability reminds me of that gun in Saints Row 3 that causes a shark to burst out of the ground and eat your enemies
I really do want to believe they're either the second or eleventh chapters. Lost and the forgotten can worth for them as they either got lost to the void or forgotten.
Subject 11 from the depths of the palace might have escaped and thus we have the Sharks. Or the second never actually died.
As a Samoan and Black woman, I love that the Polynesian culture is being shown some light! Glad to have you back Wes! Can you cover the Red Hunters or our favorite Sad Luck Boys the Lamenters?
Ma’am I honestly think you’re the first woman I’ve seen in my 21 years of life that’s openly into warhammer. Never change
I really like the fan theory that Tyberos is a thunder warrior who was converted into a space marine. I believe that there is a canonical example of a former thunder warrior in the world eaters.
Yeah, Endryd Haar I think
My all time favorite space shark moment is when they mentally broke a dark eldar
Very unfriendly Salamanders
That's uncomfortably accurate lmfao
I homebrewed a rival chapter based on the sharks only natural predator, the Orca, so the Astra Orchidae or Space Orcas
As long as there's no betterhelp propaganda. You can make these as long as you want, and I will watch them.
My favorite loyalist legion, i'm about to buy a tyberos the red wake mini and paint him. it'll be my first mini ever ! Awesome video ❤️
I did this a while ago, still haven't painted him or anything cause I don't have the stuff but he's my first and favorite too!
@@gajeel9798it that the majorkill model?
How's the quality and assembly
@nolanbaker2360 oh its great and yes, unfortunately I have no glue or paints...so he's sadly sitting on my shelf with no arms and gunmetal grey....I have shamed the shadelord
Thanks for covering the Carcharadons. A rabid fan myself, but damn if I don't feel educated now
Should you feel inclined, the Minotaurs, everyones' favourite 'loyalist' chapter, could do with the Wres treatment!
Great video , honestly liked it , the only thing I think you forgot is that in recent lore they have been seemingly brought into the fold to some degree . They were gifted the Raptors home world post Badab. I don't think they've gotten much lore since so I don't think we know what they're up to nowadays. Only reason I remembered that nugget is cuz I was deep diving myself recently as I was thinking of painting a Shark Army
As you see a massive man clad in armor unbeknownst to your knowledge of armaments you begin to hear a tune "ba-by shark doodoodpodoodoodoo baby shark doodoodoodoodoo.
You turn around to see your path blocked by a massive statue. As you gaze up at its imposing visage, the helmet turns down toward you.
*”DAD-DY SHARK…”*
Jaws got replaced by tyberos in my "floating in the ocean in my bed waiting to be eaten" dreams
A few months ago, i started to write a warhammer book for shits and giggles. A silly work i called "Apocalypsis Aquarius", that involved Abaddon, an ocean planet inhabited by the tau, a tyranid invasion and the sharks.
I am going into the second volume after this
I've been waiting for this one.
Thanks.
I have started to absolutely LOVE these guys
Night lords: What a bunch of merciless savages.....
Fingers crossed we get carcharodon customization options in space marine 2
A man can dream..
I do believe we can!
Can confirm there is a sigil for it in the customization menu
@@Dyno2999 We did!
Just imagine being a serf for the carcharadons, you're polishing a bolter and all of a sudden you hear something walking down the hallway and each step sounds like a refrigerator being pushed down a staircase, you turn to face the doorway and you see a space marine so large that his face is cut off by the top of doorway and in quite raspy voice just says 'when you're done here get started on mopping up the hallways' and he just walks off
@@CaffeinatedCaveDweller even worse you wouldn't hear them. The sharks are extraordinarily stealthy
Despite Tyberos being dummy large he is also described as stealthy and as fast as a blur.
Just when I go to look up lore on an interesting 40k faction. WesHammer bursts into the scene.
I kinda like the bit about Tyberos being mega huge, it kinda vibes with the thing where sharks grow continuously until they die
It annoys me so much that Wes switches between pronouncing it as car-carodons and car-char-odons hes literally the only person ive heard pronounce it as car-char-odons
just my opinion, Tyberos the red wake is one of the lost Primarchs.
the new audiobook has lots of tells. they even refer to there chapter founder as the forgotten one.
Everytime I hear lore about this chapter I get baby shark stuck in my head
You would not believe the comment directly above this one
I know you promote intotheam alot but my "bring the noise" noise marine shirt I got from you is still my favorite graphic t, which I also have an addiction to.
Are you ever going to do more custom shirts???
Yes! I have a few more I should end up releasing sometime soon.
@@weshammer this makes me so damn happy!!!
YES!!!
who said that?!
@@OMNISSIAH-VERY-GREAT must been the wind...
dolphinus astra."captain,we got a transmission from the dolphinus astra warship..EEH EH EEH EEH E!!!!"captain:"OH NO.."
I think that 'The Lion: Son of the Forest' has mention of a Charybdis class ship
YES THE SPECE MEGALDONS OF THE DEEP
SPACE
I really enjoy your videos leaving them on auto play while I sleep it really helps me sleep at night with my ptsd
We need a canon Tyberos v. Typhus fight.
Typhus becomes a mushy puddle and tyberos now has HIV