Remember this was one of the first scripts by Colin. If he stayed on the project the script wouldve been changed later on to be made less weird. He got fired pretty early on.
mastshke it is just better decision making to follow previously established decision for continuity’s sake, whether or not the preceding decisions are agreeable or not. It created one big picture rather than 3 small ones.
The problem with the “Light vs Dark” is that the Jedi was so afraid of the Darkside that they were cutting off the very things that brought light into our dark world, Love and Attachment.
Also, the idea of a "Light Side" never existed in Star Wars. The Jedi are the expression of the Force our and simple. The Dark Side is simply a corruption of the Force, it represents immorality. To have Rey embrace immorality goes against the central themes of Star Wars. The Dark Side is what turned Anakin into a monster. The Dark Side almost did the same to Luke. The difference is that Luke managed to pull back. In a brief moment he gave into anger when dueling against Vader but realized his mistake and refused to be pulled in the Dark Side. He regained control and affirmed his allegiance to the Jedi for forgiving his father and not killing him. That is what being a Jedi is all about and that's why the happy ending of the entire OT was Luke being the last Jedi, ready to pass on what he learned and with the Force being balanced once again. The happy ending was not equality between Sith and Jedi, it was just the Jedi, exactly as George Lucas intended.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi Love = immorality. Got it, this is why a lot of us hate the Jedi. The Dark Side is not what turned Anakin into a monster, the inability of the Jedi to help him cope with his emotions turned him into a monster. If they hadn't been so dogmatic and rigid, they could have helped him find balance, temper his emotions, but instead Yoda literally tells him to "learn to stop being sad lol" and expects that to work. And when it doesn't, as any actual human being knows it won't, their intolerenace of anyone who thinks differently from themselves leaves him no choice but to align with Palpatine if he wants to save Padmé. Palpatine who himself has no choice but to, given that he doesn't believe as the Jedi do, wage war on the Jedi for the sake of his own survival. The idea that love and emotion leads people to become evil is fucking vile. George Lucas is wrong.
@@axebearer Actually it was the Dark Side. The Jedi never told Anakin to kill kids the dark side did. You can't blame the Jedi for the terrible choices Anakin made. And yes I can expect this of Anakin since literally every other Jedi does this and none of them turn evil. You are presenting a very western view of love where you are equating attachment to love. You do not have to kill innocent people to keep your loved ones safe but that exactly what Anakin did. Anakin was so desperate to lose her that he gave into his worst emotions and committed unspeakable evil to save her. Do not perpetuate the lie that saving someone is more important than all else nor does that love justify hurting innocent people. That exactly why the Jedi's rules prevented marriage , so no one would be placed in the difficult position of choosing between those they love and the greater good. It's Anakin who wanted it both ways, the power of the Jedi and love. His fall was entirely his fault.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi I'm sorry but Gaius is right on this one. And you missed the point of Anakin's fall. Anakin had attachment to his mother and to Padme. Because all human beings feel love and attachment. The Jedi told him to ignore his emotions, and we subsequently get the whole fear -> anger -> hate and as a result he fell. Sure, Sidious helped him along, and Anakin made his own choices after the fall. But the Jedi order's dogma and inability to help him with his emotions was the catalyst. The only reason most Jedi didn't turn evil is because they were taken as children and literally brainwashed to not have feelings. Anakin was too old for the brainwashing. They say so themselves. They shouldn't have trained him. It's fine if you want to have a completely detached/emotionless Jedi order. But then at least then stick to their rules and don't train some one who is "too old" by their standards. The only prequel Jedi that could've successfully trained Anakin was Qui Gon and that's simply because he wasn't like the rest of the Jedi. He knew they had become flawed. He also knew what it meant to take Anakin away from his mom whom he felt a strong attachment to. The Jedi order by it's nature is extremely flawed. It's one of the main themes of the prequels. They are politicians, they are arrogant (Yoda begins to realize this in Episode II), they become soldiers (despite saying they are keepers of the peace), I could go on. They allow the Sith to rise up right under their eyes because they were too arrogant to believe Dooku when he literally said Sidious was in control of the Senate in Episode II. And directly as a result of that, the Empire rose and billions died. The whole point of the fall of the Jedi was that they were flawed and needed reform to grow beyond what they were. That's literally a direct quote from Yoda. Luke learned those lessons only after repeating the mistakes of the Jedi of old and getting one more lesson from Yoda himself. I agree that ideally the Jedi should be the expression of the will of the force itself. That's definitely what they thought they were. But because of several of the reasons listed above, they weren't. They had fallen from grace. No one wanted Rey to embrace the dark. The point is to acknowledge that we all have darkness and emotions within us. pretending they don't exist is how they control us and how we fall (See Anakin's fall). The whole point was the Jedi needed to be better. I don't agree with the way it's written in Colin's script, but I think the ultimate goal of grey Jedi like Qui Gon would've been perfect
@@gatorarman12 There is a common misconception about the Jedi preaching emotional ignorance and that's simple untrue. We see time and time again that Jedi have displayed emotion. Yoda displays emotion. He feels sad when the Jedi fall, he almost starts crying. I display emotion, I cry when Anakin turned. accordingand theygreatestexpressing That is that distinction between the Jedi and Anakin, he let emotion rule his choices. His fear of losing Padme overrides his duty to do what wars right. Yoda, myself, and all other Jedi never let fear of loss dictate us into doing immoral things. That is what the Jedi preach, never allowing emotion to stop you from doing the right thing because that unbridled passion is the Dark Side. And this philosophy of nit letting emotion rule is exactly what Qui-Got preaches too. He advocates for "letting go" to trust one's instincts to gave the purest connection with the Force. If anything, Qui-Gon is even more emotionally in control than I was. He's not a Gray Jedi, he just places a higher personal value on prophesy within the Jedi. Nothing wrong with that either, lots of different Jedi have different views so long as the they all work within the common Jedi philosophy. Kind of like hoe member of the Church have different individual views even while they share a duty of believing in God and spreading Christianity. Also, the Jedi did not brainwash kids, they just trained them from a point before they had attachments because it's much easier to not form attachments that it is to have attachments and let them go. Qui-Got didn't have attachments. I didn't have attachments. If anything, Qui-Gon overriding the Jedi Council was the problem. It wasn't the council, it was Qui-Gon's insistence. And attachments aren't bad for-say, they are just not optimal for the Jedi because the Jedi have a higher duty to protect lots of people. Anakin could have left the order of his own free will when ever he wanted but he didn't because he wanted to be a Jedi and have Padme. That's a problem. An finally, you're direct quote from Yoda comes from Episode 8. It's pretty well established that Episode 8 is full of contradiction to the central themes of Star Wars. The reason almost all Star War fans dislike it so much is because it contradicts the previous movies. Yoda only thought Luke orthodox Jedi teachings on the OT and Luke became and orthodox Jedi. This mistake of the sequels was to ascribe qualities upon Luke that he had overcome, like fear which is a Dark Side emotion. So Luke gives into his own fear (which is against the Jedi way and his own OT character arc) and blames the Jedi? That makes no sense. That like if I were a pacifist and in a moment of weakness I got mad and punched someone. And then I blame pacifism for my outburst even though my actions directly contradict what pacifism teaches! The sequels contrived a failure to make Luke and the Jedi look bad even though that failure was entry opposed to what the Jedi advocated. Yoda was nonsensical in the Last Jedi because in that film he's telling Luke to move beyond the Jedi even though he spent all of Empire telling Luke to be a traditional Jedi. Even after the Clone Wars and the Jedi's greatest defeat Yoda never gave up on the Jedi way, because the way was correct. It accordingly makes no sense for Yoda to later tell Luke to move beyond and this is again why fans thing the Last Jedi is a terrible, illogical, and contradictory film. It was Anakin who strayed from the Jedi way and by betraying the Jedi, himself, and a higher morality did Anakin, destroy the Jedi though evil. You cannot blame the victims for the actions of their attacks. Ad it was Luke's entire arc to show how he moved beyond fear of loss in Return of the Jedi to bring back his father and defeat the Emperor. It's not love for his father that was Luke's problem, it was fear of loss, when he overcame as a Jedi to do the moral thing: To save his dad.
I feel like this script did a much better job at giving starwars a future movie with rey training new jedi on coruscant unlike rise of skywalker which left us off exactly where we were at return of the jedi
Like the first half. Leading a revolution on Corusacant To free the galaxy ( Fin having more character development) and Exploring more planet's from the Clones Wars and The Old Republic era's. But the Second half just confused me. There can't be a Gray Jedi for one ,and the duel didn't fell like a Final battle. Duel of fate. it's tries some better idea's compared to TROS ,and fells a little more original too. but like TROS just doesn't slove the Bigger problems of this poorly planned trilogy.
I personally like the idea of balancing the Force in oneself (actual balance or homeostasis and serenity between light and dark). The whole point of the prequels and TLJ was that the Jedi were *too far* in to the light, that they allowed darkness to rise right beneath their noses. Some would even say, which quite possibly could be the case, that the Force allowed the Jedi to fall to start the long process of rebalance. But I also understand why the story would want to keep the morals to using the light and not the dark, but whilst acknowledging and accepting the dark, yet not using its power.
That was the whole point of this trilogy until RoS came out: balancing The Force. I always believed Rey would become a Grey Jedi (OP: there ARE Grey Jedi in The Old Republic, so they are lore) and her being the last jedi would mean there had to be a grey one. Even her costumes and everything made me believe that and yeah, she became one, but Duel of Fates would've been a much cooler one imo because it expands upon why both sides are dogmatic and fail to capture the essence of The Force.
@@DarkAngelEU What the Rise of Skywalker did was beyond boring. Not only was it a retelling of RotJ, it offered nothing new that was of significance. The movie didn't even bother to explain why the light was better, rather, it just expected audiences to buy a narrow, lazy non-intelligent, unoriginal black and white narrative of the light and dark. At the very least, it could have explored the proper way to address one's inner darkness (i.e. not simply ignoring it and pretending it doesn't exist, as the OT and PT tell us).
@@slashinswingin4369 It is actually addressed in PT bc that's why Anakin becomes a Sith, the Jedi are very dogmatic about accepting and defeating darkness within oneself. They simply tell him to negate those emotions. Then Palpatine comes along, being all "no, use them in your advantage!" and of course, he becomes a Sith because it allows Palpy to tap into him and influence him even further into becoming evil. But now, there is (or at least shouldn't be) an emperor, Kylo definitely isn't strong enough to convince Rey either, so she should be able to become Grey - which in itself requires alot of strength. It's not out of thin air that people either become Sith or Jedi, one contrasts the other and pushes them further away or into the light. With no counterweight, balance is achieved easier within oneself.
@@DarkAngelEU That's exactly what I'm saying: TRoS's Force message/theme should have been to make balance in oneself or to use the light while still accepting the presence of darkness. The PT does address the fault of the Jedi in embedding themselves too deep into the light, and the dangers of. That's the main point of that trilogy. I may have misspoke a little when including the PT with the OT, I admit, but we still lack a thorough message in the films and RoS, unfortunately
The point of the sequel trilogy was just to make money because that's all that matters to disney, they were never interested in telling a meaningful continuation of a story.
They started off ok with force awakens, but then last Jedi proceeded to put everyone’s face into a running lawn mower, and then they proceeded to shit inside the lawn mower blades, so you’ve got poo smacking into your chopped face. In other words this is Kathleen Kennedy in a nutshell.
My “Don’t Kill Them” List: 3PO R2 Chewie BB88 Killing evil and/or random droids, aliens, or human is fine, and you can kill a couple major characters too. Star Wars is not Walking Dead or Game of Thrones. It’s not that kinda movie.
Doesn't sound as awful as The Rise of Skywalker, but it doesn't really win me over. There're some good stuff, but then there're also some really bad. I would've still been disappointed with the Sequel Trilogy overall. But as you said SWO, I'm just kind of happy that we finally have some closure on what this film would've originally been about.
I liked the sound of this script personally, good and evil is a narrow way to look at the world so the fact dark and light are just two sources of power and controlling them both equally without being seduced by the powers themselves seems like a valid progression to me. Actually liked the thought of R2 and 3PO being the only survivors at the end, you follow those two through all 9 films so would be a nice touch.
I love the better connections to TLJ, with Rey still being nobody, Finn using what he learned to become a revolutionary leader and Kylo rejecting redemption and dying conflicted Could do without the Rey x Poe thing (it's a little too late for that) and Kylo being the one that killed Rey's parents (makes them feel less like nobodies than they're supposed to be)
damn they threw this out? this sounds legit i feel like this wouldve been way better than rise of skywalker and at least last jedi wouldve made perfect sense. this concept art is awesome too. the plot sounds sick. at least better than ROS. only thing i dont like is destroying r2-d2 though
It doesn't feel final but there are some good ideas to work with. I like the First Order punishing communication between systems. It puts some meat on "They win by making you feel like you're alone". But yeah, it stumbles in the last act. Getting the Grey Jedi right is a tricky af psychological high wire act. I think it's about recognizing the dark side has lessons to teach which is very different than becoming half a Sith. For a light side user the dark side isn't where you gain your power but where you confront your weaknesses. I'd have liked TROS more if they pushed Rey closer to the dark side maybe with a real meaningful scene between her and Dark Rey. It would have made her eventual victory more fulfilling. Also lmao at "force envy". That would've been brilliant.
From this, I think that Colin Trevorrow should have written all of the movies. I always wanted the sequel trilogy to be about balancing the dark and light sides of the Force, and I think that if he got to develop this story over the course of all three of the movies, it would have been far less weird than it is here.
I 100% agree with you on that last point StarWarsOnly about how messed up it was for Rey embracing the Dark Side as being a good thing. The idea of Rey embracing her anger and the Dark Side goes against the core ideas of Star Wars. The Jedi are the expression of the Force pure and simple. This script repeats the false conception that balance is equality between a Light and Dark Side, rather than the idea of the Dark Side being a corruption of the Force that creates disharmony. To put it simply, the Dark Side it represents immorality, it always has. It has only ever caused pain, suffering, oppression, and death. To have Rey embrace such immorality goes against the central themes of Star Wars. The Dark Side is what turned Anakin into a monster. The Dark Side almost did the same to Luke. The difference is that Luke managed to pull back. In a brief moment he gave into anger when dueling against Vader but realized his mistake and refused to be pulled in the Dark Side. He regained control and affirmed his allegiance to the Jedi for forgiving his father and not killing him. That is what being a Jedi is all about and that's why the happy ending of the entire OT was Luke being the last Jedi, ready to pass on what he learned and with the Force being balanced once again. The happy ending was not equality between Sith and Jedi, it was just the Jedi, exactly as George Lucas intended. Collin clearly believes the former narrative and I am afraid this interpretation goes against the previously established lore and themes of Star Wars. This new script is far from perfect.
Though I'm sure fans of Grey Jedi would be happy. Star Wars for better or worse is no longer owned by George Lucas and Disney could include Grey Jedi if they wanted to. Though it would piss off George Lucas purist.
I like the general premise of needing to know about the dark side at least - not necessarily to use it too. But one could argue one of the failures of the original jedi was that they avoided the dark side and were blind to it, allowing the enemy to grow powerful under their noses and even with their aid. Actually, that was the theme I hoped the sequels would explore - how to rebuild the jedi without falling in the cyclical pattern of dark/light wars that plagued the galaxy for 5000 years. There are issues with the execution here, but that is also because it had to be embedded in the shitshow that was the sequel trilogy so far, with rey already being overpowered (and this just making it that much worse). It would have been a lot better, I think, if the setting was 'smaller'. No humongous galactic war with yet another empire, but a more personal story of the new jedi against the background of a devastated galaxy trying to recover. Less avengers, more joker.
This script is so much better than what we got and I have no issue with the Light and Dark side of the force idea. The prequel jedis greatest flaw was fearing and avoiding the dark side completely and this script really connects that prequel idea together and does teach Yoda one must be open to all sides of it. The Grey Jedi is what this film could've pushed for and actually made this trilogy somewhat worthwhile
@Star Wars Only and all the Great Star Wars fans, I consider it an unlikely strategy, however I think the fanbase should try what was done with the snyder cut. A VERSION OF EPISODE 9 WITH THE ORIGINAL VISION OF COLIN TREVORROW !!!! this must be our chance!
it continue from ryan johnson foundation after snoke death....it was his ultimate plan for next 2 movies....episode 9 and episode 10...but fans backlash cause disney to change direction....ryan johnson was to direct episode 10 as last chapter of this story...since both trevor and johnson been sharing scripts and brainstorming for next 2 movies
You don't like Kylo NOT being redeemed? The man killed his father. Who happened to be a SW legend. And redemption was what Ep 1-6 were all about. At least we got something different here. Not perfect, but finally different yet respectful of the lore, which would have been a first in the Disney trilogy.
Yeah cause it kinda hints throughout the entire trilogy that he struggles being dark side and in this draft he just says fuck all that conflict I'm evil
@@StarWarsOnly OK there's never gonna be a better time for this: StarWarsOnly I don't know what the fuck your problem is :)))))) Thanks for the awesome videos bro, you're up there with my top fave SW commentators.
Lmao I love how everyone has different facts on this script and dislikes/ likes different things. Either way, I really like this script and I am glad that we at the very least get an alternate story to have speculation on. I think my favorite part about this is that since it isn’t canon, we can take parts of it and add it to our own personal canon.
@T_ C cant really judge a movie we havent seen based off a script, it wasnt edited at all as this is the rough draft. but im sure you could make a much more coherent story than this one right? and considering the movie we DID get against this script, yes this on its own wouldve been miles ahead of TROS, and also dont tell people what they can and cant love you circus act🤡
I think I like this version a bit better, connecting a few more things in all the eras of Star Wars, but without feeling like it's shoved in your face. I still don't think it would have entirely justified the Sequels existence, but whatever, it happened
What yoda means is that you need both so that you can become one which is right because by trying to to push away darkness you let control you something with light
At the end of this sequel trilogy you gotta ask: What was the actual point of this? Aside from Disney ever growing in wealth, what did Disney actually contribute to Star Wars that was ACTUALLY decent? The answer is nothing. They haven’t provided anything worth knowing (except Mandalorian)
Star Wars Resistance, Rouge One, and Star Wars Rebels all brought something new to the table. The Mandalorian is overrated there's to much hype around it for me to care right now. That show is only getting parse because of Baby Yoda. Solo was ok but hey that's just me. Star Wars Rebels did a good job on showing what was going on with other worlds and what the empire was doing to them. Star Wars Resistance did a good job telling us more about star wars pilots be they Racers, Ties or Resistance. I also enjoyed the fact that none of the main characters were Force Sensitive this time around added a lot more creativity then people give the show credit for.
Thank you for another nice video. I do appreciate that you seem to be one of the few level headed youtubers talking star wars these days. I am just really fed up with all the so called star wars fan channels which seems to be more about hating everything star wars because Outrage =clicks. Keep it up! :) Oh, and you are totally correct about Balance of the force. According to George Lucas the force is out of Balance when the Sith is around wrecking havoc, so when Luke (and his father) takes out the Emperor in ROTJ then balance is restored!. :)
I honestly think the balance of the force is up to interpretation. Yes, the sith taking over makes it unbalanced, but that doesn’t mean the other end of the spectrum will balance it. Sure, it can be a simple good vs bad story, but I think that a bit of both sides, the Yin and the Yang, would make the force more complex. You could make a case that the rise of the First Order is proof that all light side is unbalanced. Even if one side wins, there will always be those that choose the other.
Looking back on this video for nostalgia, it's pretty amazing, surprising and remarkable that this leak came under a MONTH since The Rise of Skywalker premiering in theatres.
At 9:14, when I believe the narrator of this video says "Ray appeals [to Kylo]," the auto-generated captioning interprets it as "rape of eels." I won't say how long I spent trying to figure out what eel plotline I'd missed in Trevorrow's concept....
With fins arc they could have thrown a prequels line where he mentioned to fellow troopers that he don't fear the first order as they do. That could be a powerful turn over line that would fit as before.
I did make my own two scripts after watching TLJ. Episode 9 - The Final Hope and Episode X - The Finale Me and my friends got disappointed with ROS and we just consider my scripts canon
I doubt the final movie would be exactly as we hear it in this video had they went ahead and kept Colin to direct but from what we hear it sounds more interesting than what we got. This is why they should have planned out the trilogy arc and had a road map so they don’t constantly just shift ideas on the fly. Last Jedi retcons The Force Awakens ideas and set ups and then Rise of Skywalker retcons Last Jedis ideas and set ups. No planning or flow with what we currently have.
I agree with you completely. I would have left the theater scratching my head and not liking a lot of things, HOWEVER, I would have gone to see it. I still have absolutely no desire to go see The Rise of Skywalker. I will never watch it.
it's not a bad movie. honestly. its not 2001 a space odyssey so dont expect a super intelligent and deep film. but dont listen to the hate. the problem with Star Wars fans is they feel like they have to hate it to prove how much they love the IP.
@@ryanflood635 They lost me with Palpatine returning. Game over. I have no desire to see it. Also, I'm totally against instant Force abilities and Force Dyads or dryads or whatever the h*ll they are doing to the magical system of the story. I'm against every Star Destroyer having Death Star capabilities (the Death Stars were the size of moons for god's sake). I'm also against a near-dead guy somehow generating the economic power and structure to create a zillion Star Destroyers and army without anyone noticing. Force Teleporting objects --- nope. I'm sure JJ Abrams did the best he could but I still have no desire to see this mangled mess of a universe I love.
The idea of embracing the light & the dark is acknowledging that there is a grey area in our moral compass . If you just embrace the light , you make the mistake of acting in arrogance, righteousness is blinding to the point where you can't see your own flaws but instead focus on those of others , whereas embracing the dark means you corrupt yourself by indulging in everything , while indulging is not a crime , not setting boundaries is dangerous . So being balanced means embracing the LIGHT & the DARK !!!
The fans ruined star wars. We were so toxic George left. We sent the message to Disney that we wanted a original reboot. We bashed 8 so much before nine even came out and then 9 ended up being a reaction to the hate 8 got. Everything after episode 3 is just a reaction to fan hate. Episode 7 was just a reboot? Have a fucking art film with episode 8.
They should bring back the Star Wars Infinities brand and turn this into a comic book. Honestly there is some great stuff in this script that should come to fruition in some form.
If you liked ROS, you disliked TLJ for the wrong reasons. The writing is actually much worse in ROS. I didnt think it was possible to make a movie worse than TLJ regarding plot holes, writing mistakes, character assassinations etc.
I was kind of hoping the point of the sequel trilogy was to establish a sort of "Order of the Force". No Jedi, no Sith. Just people who are force sensitive being trained under Rey & Kylo. Because as most people pointed out about the prequels, the Dark Side took over and prospered because the Jedi became corrupt. They wanted the Light Side of the Force to be the only way. But no it's just another good guys beat bad guys. God forbid we have challenging & complex storytelling in Star Wars.
Calling the Jedi corrupt is an inaccurate use of the word. And good guys vs bad guys has always been what Star Wars is about, Lucas literally created it promote idealism and counter the morally grey films that had taken over Hollywood.
I like the idea with a coexistence between light and dark and that would’ve actually felt newer than the Ending we got which is eventually return of the Jedi again
I think it would have been better if kylo ren realise why he was wrong about his family and vader arrives as a force ghost, telling him to listen to his heart and know the truth inside him, that past is like a scar, it always hurts, it always leaves a mark over us, but it is our will that lets us embrace our past and know the truth, that it fades one day. Vader reflects how his choices affected his loved ones and always left a scar on his mind, making him think that there is no good, no hope in him, but his son made him realise the truth and told luke never to make the same mistakes he made. Vader then fades, saying that choice always reflects the conflict, good or evil inside us and we must choose. Kylo Ren, then understands what vader always meant and proclaims himself as a Skywalker. He eradicates the knights of ren, abolishes the darkness inside him and fights snoke's second apprentice, but does not kill her, saying it is not the way of the jedi, and leaves her. He fights snoke along with rey and throws him into the depth of light, but fatally injures himself while defeating him. He lives his last moments seeing the light shining upon the sky, the light of hope, and fades into the light, fades into hope, while rey buries his lightsaber and luke's on the tatooine sands where it began, as the generations of skywalker, new and old, watch over her from the horizon. Rey looks at the beautiful twin rising suns of tatooine, signifying the rise of the jedi, of new hope, as the film ends.
Better plot, better character arcs, true to established Star Wars, but not enough poetic symmetry, no resolution, no point and no ANAKIN. Idk. I cant see a good episode 9 existing with TFA and TLJ coming before it.
You're right it wouldn't have gone over R2D2 is one of the most recognizable and respected characters in the franchise kill him off and you're going to have a full scale riot. I got to say this is definitely Superior to what rise of Skywalker was.
The whole issue with the Jedi was that they rejected connection, whereas Luke always embraced it. And somehow the lesson is "embrace the darkside"... Fuck me, these guys just haven't watched the films
Much better. Dialogue had lots of opportunities to change. But it lacks a strong interesectiom between what Rey/Kylo are doing and what's going on elsewhere. If Kylo it Rey win , so what, TFA still lost
One of the strongest aspects of TROS is it finally gives us Finn, Poe and Rey together on a mission. They didn't work together as a unit as much as I'd like but at least they were together for much of the film's runtime.
I understand your criticism, but at the same time I would respectfully disagree. I feel that this script (based on what I heard. I still need to check it out myself) was much better than what we got officially. The only reason why it was scrapped was because of what happened to Carrie fisher, rest her soul, so they had to botch it.
I just want an Old Republic Trilogy. That's my favorite era of Star Wars, and I think it could really reinvent what the general audience of these movies think. All I can hope is that 20 years into the future, the sequel trilogy is considered not canon, and rejected. I really just don't like much about it. The characters are annoying, the universe is dull, and it just sucks. Everything in the comics is so much more interesting, entertaining, and deeper.
I despised the Last Jedi and didn't like Rise of Skywalker overall, but there were elements to Episode 9 I still really liked. Still can't get over the major, canon breaking moments in that film though.
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You’re missing the point with the whole quasi-Lightside, quasi-darkside. The failure of the Jedi (Yoda, Obi-Wan, etc.) in the prequels is that they rejected the dark side entirely. Or rather they rejected traits and characteristics that they believed would draw one to the dark side, such as love and attachment. As we saw with Anakin in the prequels, that mindset is what ultimately led to their destruction. Whereas, the Sith are far too selfish and lean too much into the dark side to truly thrive. There is no middle ground. Theoretically if you could attain that middle ground, you would have balance between the light and the dark. That is what this script is trying to get at. Yoda's order rejected the dark side. The Sith rejected the light. Rey found a balance. I get you don’t like it because it makes Rey seem like more of a Mary-Sue. But the core idea is consistent with the overarching Star Wars story. If Rey was a different character, you probably wouldn’t have an issue with it.
The point of sequel trilogy was to create more merchandise to sell kids and parents without the intention of good story telling and appealing to the Chinese market.
It would have been good and the namesake of dual of the fates would be a cool name and why didn't we get this version instead of the rise of skywalker name and we couldn't have Kathleen Kennedy fire but nope Disney shot themselves in the foot. Splendid video star wars only.
Why did the take it from the guy who successfully rebooted Jurassic Park and made two billion dollar movies? How much studio politics were going on lol
They are both uniteresting directors, I would label each of them as more of a craftsman but at the end of the day these movies are about the money so it's not surprising these are the people considered to direct Star Wars...
Also, this script would have revealed Rey's last name to be Solano, and not made her related to Palpatine at all! Stuff like this makes me even angrier at Catbitch Kennedy and Joke Joke Abrams for ruined it all!!
This film would’ve been way better than rise of skywalker. Rise of skywalker is the worst Star Wars film just spending a trilogy killing a villain that’s already been killed and having split which makes no sense and barely anything exciting in the film. Duel of the fates would’ve an epic film. Definitely in the top 5.
I would have thrown my popcorn at the screen if they'd killed off R2D2. Not a good sign for the old JP cast returning for Jurassic World if Colin is the type to kill off fan favorites for a cheap emotional moment.
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Remember this was one of the first scripts by Colin. If he stayed on the project the script wouldve been changed later on to be made less weird. He got fired pretty early on.
that's possible....i see potential
I really like how Duel of the Fates actually embraces what The Last Jedi did and if you ask me they pulled it off
My only issue is the lack of Anakin
Return of the Fabulous Killjoys The biggest issue with the entire trilogy is the lack of Anakin
The CrimsonDawn Hour FOR REAL
You people hated TLJ now you fucks like the film. Lol
@@mastshke He isn't saying he liked TLJ, just that he likes how this episode 9 goes with the decisions made in it, instead of constantly retconning it
mastshke it is just better decision making to follow previously established decision for continuity’s sake, whether or not the preceding decisions are agreeable or not. It created one big picture rather than 3 small ones.
Kylo: You’re no one.
Rey: No one’s ever *really* gone
Big peepee
Funny how Rey says this in the novelisation
Kylo: Your no one.
Rey: Yup.
DAMN. THAT HIT HARD.
@@iregretdyeingmyeyebrows5645 No way?! Shit that's cool.
The problem with the “Light vs Dark” is that the Jedi was so afraid of the Darkside that they were cutting off the very things that brought light into our dark world, Love and Attachment.
Also, the idea of a "Light Side" never existed in Star Wars. The Jedi are the expression of the Force our and simple. The Dark Side is simply a corruption of the Force, it represents immorality. To have Rey embrace immorality goes against the central themes of Star Wars. The Dark Side is what turned Anakin into a monster. The Dark Side almost did the same to Luke.
The difference is that Luke managed to pull back. In a brief moment he gave into anger when dueling against Vader but realized his mistake and refused to be pulled in the Dark Side. He regained control and affirmed his allegiance to the Jedi for forgiving his father and not killing him. That is what being a Jedi is all about and that's why the happy ending of the entire OT was Luke being the last Jedi, ready to pass on what he learned and with the Force being balanced once again.
The happy ending was not equality between Sith and Jedi, it was just the Jedi, exactly as George Lucas intended.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi Love = immorality. Got it, this is why a lot of us hate the Jedi. The Dark Side is not what turned Anakin into a monster, the inability of the Jedi to help him cope with his emotions turned him into a monster. If they hadn't been so dogmatic and rigid, they could have helped him find balance, temper his emotions, but instead Yoda literally tells him to "learn to stop being sad lol" and expects that to work. And when it doesn't, as any actual human being knows it won't, their intolerenace of anyone who thinks differently from themselves leaves him no choice but to align with Palpatine if he wants to save Padmé. Palpatine who himself has no choice but to, given that he doesn't believe as the Jedi do, wage war on the Jedi for the sake of his own survival. The idea that love and emotion leads people to become evil is fucking vile. George Lucas is wrong.
@@axebearer Actually it was the Dark Side. The Jedi never told Anakin to kill kids the dark side did. You can't blame the Jedi for the terrible choices Anakin made. And yes I can expect this of Anakin since literally every other Jedi does this and none of them turn evil.
You are presenting a very western view of love where you are equating attachment to love. You do not have to kill innocent people to keep your loved ones safe but that exactly what Anakin did. Anakin was so desperate to lose her that he gave into his worst emotions and committed unspeakable evil to save her. Do not perpetuate the lie that saving someone is more important than all else nor does that love justify hurting innocent people.
That exactly why the Jedi's rules prevented marriage , so no one would be placed in the difficult position of choosing between those they love and the greater good. It's Anakin who wanted it both ways, the power of the Jedi and love. His fall was entirely his fault.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi I'm sorry but Gaius is right on this one. And you missed the point of Anakin's fall. Anakin had attachment to his mother and to Padme. Because all human beings feel love and attachment. The Jedi told him to ignore his emotions, and we subsequently get the whole fear -> anger -> hate and as a result he fell. Sure, Sidious helped him along, and Anakin made his own choices after the fall. But the Jedi order's dogma and inability to help him with his emotions was the catalyst.
The only reason most Jedi didn't turn evil is because they were taken as children and literally brainwashed to not have feelings. Anakin was too old for the brainwashing. They say so themselves. They shouldn't have trained him. It's fine if you want to have a completely detached/emotionless Jedi order. But then at least then stick to their rules and don't train some one who is "too old" by their standards. The only prequel Jedi that could've successfully trained Anakin was Qui Gon and that's simply because he wasn't like the rest of the Jedi. He knew they had become flawed. He also knew what it meant to take Anakin away from his mom whom he felt a strong attachment to.
The Jedi order by it's nature is extremely flawed. It's one of the main themes of the prequels. They are politicians, they are arrogant (Yoda begins to realize this in Episode II), they become soldiers (despite saying they are keepers of the peace), I could go on. They allow the Sith to rise up right under their eyes because they were too arrogant to believe Dooku when he literally said Sidious was in control of the Senate in Episode II. And directly as a result of that, the Empire rose and billions died.
The whole point of the fall of the Jedi was that they were flawed and needed reform to grow beyond what they were. That's literally a direct quote from Yoda. Luke learned those lessons only after repeating the mistakes of the Jedi of old and getting one more lesson from Yoda himself.
I agree that ideally the Jedi should be the expression of the will of the force itself. That's definitely what they thought they were. But because of several of the reasons listed above, they weren't. They had fallen from grace. No one wanted Rey to embrace the dark. The point is to acknowledge that we all have darkness and emotions within us. pretending they don't exist is how they control us and how we fall (See Anakin's fall). The whole point was the Jedi needed to be better. I don't agree with the way it's written in Colin's script, but I think the ultimate goal of grey Jedi like Qui Gon would've been perfect
@@gatorarman12 There is a common misconception about the Jedi preaching emotional ignorance and that's simple untrue. We see time and time again that Jedi have displayed emotion. Yoda displays emotion. He feels sad when the Jedi fall, he almost starts crying. I display emotion, I cry when Anakin turned.
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That is that distinction between the Jedi and Anakin, he let emotion rule his choices. His fear of losing Padme overrides his duty to do what wars right. Yoda, myself, and all other Jedi never let fear of loss dictate us into doing immoral things. That is what the Jedi preach, never allowing emotion to stop you from doing the right thing because that unbridled passion is the Dark Side.
And this philosophy of nit letting emotion rule is exactly what Qui-Got preaches too. He advocates for "letting go" to trust one's instincts to gave the purest connection with the Force. If anything, Qui-Gon is even more emotionally in control than I was.
He's not a Gray Jedi, he just places a higher personal value on prophesy within the Jedi. Nothing wrong with that either, lots of different Jedi have different views so long as the they all work within the common Jedi philosophy. Kind of like hoe member of the Church have different individual views even while they share a duty of believing in God and spreading Christianity.
Also, the Jedi did not brainwash kids, they just trained them from a point before they had attachments because it's much easier to not form attachments that it is to have attachments and let them go. Qui-Got didn't have attachments. I didn't have attachments. If anything, Qui-Gon overriding the Jedi Council was the problem. It wasn't the council, it was Qui-Gon's insistence.
And attachments aren't bad for-say, they are just not optimal for the Jedi because the Jedi have a higher duty to protect lots of people. Anakin could have left the order of his own free will when ever he wanted but he didn't because he wanted to be a Jedi and have Padme. That's a problem.
An finally, you're direct quote from Yoda comes from Episode 8. It's pretty well established that Episode 8 is full of contradiction to the central themes of Star Wars. The reason almost all Star War fans dislike it so much is because it contradicts the previous movies.
Yoda only thought Luke orthodox Jedi teachings on the OT and Luke became and orthodox Jedi. This mistake of the sequels was to ascribe qualities upon Luke that he had overcome, like fear which is a Dark Side emotion. So Luke gives into his own fear (which is against the Jedi way and his own OT character arc) and blames the Jedi? That makes no sense. That like if I were a pacifist and in a moment of weakness I got mad and punched someone. And then I blame pacifism for my outburst even though my actions directly contradict what pacifism teaches!
The sequels contrived a failure to make Luke and the Jedi look bad even though that failure was entry opposed to what the Jedi advocated. Yoda was nonsensical in the Last Jedi because in that film he's telling Luke to move beyond the Jedi even though he spent all of Empire telling Luke to be a traditional Jedi. Even after the Clone Wars and the Jedi's greatest defeat Yoda never gave up on the Jedi way, because the way was correct. It accordingly makes no sense for Yoda to later tell Luke to move beyond and this is again why fans thing the Last Jedi is a terrible, illogical, and contradictory film.
It was Anakin who strayed from the Jedi way and by betraying the Jedi, himself, and a higher morality did Anakin, destroy the Jedi though evil. You cannot blame the victims for the actions of their attacks. Ad it was Luke's entire arc to show how he moved beyond fear of loss in Return of the Jedi to bring back his father and defeat the Emperor. It's not love for his father that was Luke's problem, it was fear of loss, when he overcame as a Jedi to do the moral thing: To save his dad.
I feel like this script did a much better job at giving starwars a future movie with rey training new jedi on coruscant unlike rise of skywalker which left us off exactly where we were at return of the jedi
Tabula rasa, yo. Now they can make a trilogy about whatever the fuck they want.
No one at Disney knows how to make a Star Wars film anymore..
Eh, except john favrau. I think he'd be great if he had the chance of working on a trilogy
I agree 💯 on both comments
I can’t wait for the Feige film.
they never did know. They stood on the shoulders of giants only to push their garbage movies
Jay one they stood on the giant’s shoulder and just plunged their Disney Sword straight into it’s throat and let it slowly bleed out
Other than the Hux death scene I like this script.Especially the storm trooper rebellion .But it's all about the execution .
Like the first half. Leading a revolution on Corusacant To free the galaxy ( Fin having more character development) and Exploring more planet's from the Clones Wars and The Old Republic era's. But the Second half just confused me. There can't be a Gray Jedi for one ,and the duel didn't fell like a Final battle.
Duel of fate. it's tries some better idea's compared to TROS ,and fells a little more original too. but like TROS just doesn't slove the Bigger problems of this poorly planned trilogy.
I personally like the idea of balancing the Force in oneself (actual balance or homeostasis and serenity between light and dark). The whole point of the prequels and TLJ was that the Jedi were *too far* in to the light, that they allowed darkness to rise right beneath their noses. Some would even say, which quite possibly could be the case, that the Force allowed the Jedi to fall to start the long process of rebalance. But I also understand why the story would want to keep the morals to using the light and not the dark, but whilst acknowledging and accepting the dark, yet not using its power.
That was the whole point of this trilogy until RoS came out: balancing The Force. I always believed Rey would become a Grey Jedi (OP: there ARE Grey Jedi in The Old Republic, so they are lore) and her being the last jedi would mean there had to be a grey one. Even her costumes and everything made me believe that and yeah, she became one, but Duel of Fates would've been a much cooler one imo because it expands upon why both sides are dogmatic and fail to capture the essence of The Force.
@@DarkAngelEU What the Rise of Skywalker did was beyond boring. Not only was it a retelling of RotJ, it offered nothing new that was of significance. The movie didn't even bother to explain why the light was better, rather, it just expected audiences to buy a narrow, lazy non-intelligent, unoriginal black and white narrative of the light and dark. At the very least, it could have explored the proper way to address one's inner darkness (i.e. not simply ignoring it and pretending it doesn't exist, as the OT and PT tell us).
@@slashinswingin4369 It is actually addressed in PT bc that's why Anakin becomes a Sith, the Jedi are very dogmatic about accepting and defeating darkness within oneself. They simply tell him to negate those emotions. Then Palpatine comes along, being all "no, use them in your advantage!" and of course, he becomes a Sith because it allows Palpy to tap into him and influence him even further into becoming evil. But now, there is (or at least shouldn't be) an emperor, Kylo definitely isn't strong enough to convince Rey either, so she should be able to become Grey - which in itself requires alot of strength. It's not out of thin air that people either become Sith or Jedi, one contrasts the other and pushes them further away or into the light. With no counterweight, balance is achieved easier within oneself.
@@DarkAngelEU That's exactly what I'm saying: TRoS's Force message/theme should have been to make balance in oneself or to use the light while still accepting the presence of darkness. The PT does address the fault of the Jedi in embedding themselves too deep into the light, and the dangers of. That's the main point of that trilogy. I may have misspoke a little when including the PT with the OT, I admit, but we still lack a thorough message in the films and RoS, unfortunately
"Star Wars Only I dont know wtf your problem is..."
The point of the sequel trilogy was just to make money because that's all that matters to disney, they were never interested in telling a meaningful continuation of a story.
They started off ok with force awakens, but then last Jedi proceeded to put everyone’s face into a running lawn mower, and then they proceeded to shit inside the lawn mower blades, so you’ve got poo smacking into your chopped face.
In other words this is Kathleen Kennedy in a nutshell.
My “Don’t Kill Them” List:
3PO
R2
Chewie
BB88
Killing evil and/or random droids, aliens, or human is fine, and you can kill a couple major characters too.
Star Wars is not Walking Dead or Game of Thrones. It’s not that kinda movie.
Hux's suicide would have completed his character arc. Of always trying to hard and being jealous and failing.
He was written to be Hitler and well, by this episode script and suicide he would end like Hitler.
Doesn't sound as awful as The Rise of Skywalker, but it doesn't really win me over. There're some good stuff, but then there're also some really bad. I would've still been disappointed with the Sequel Trilogy overall.
But as you said SWO, I'm just kind of happy that we finally have some closure on what this film would've originally been about.
I liked the sound of this script personally, good and evil is a narrow way to look at the world so the fact dark and light are just two sources of power and controlling them both equally without being seduced by the powers themselves seems like a valid progression to me.
Actually liked the thought of R2 and 3PO being the only survivors at the end, you follow those two through all 9 films so would be a nice touch.
I love the better connections to TLJ, with Rey still being nobody, Finn using what he learned to become a revolutionary leader and Kylo rejecting redemption and dying conflicted
Could do without the Rey x Poe thing (it's a little too late for that) and Kylo being the one that killed Rey's parents (makes them feel less like nobodies than they're supposed to be)
damn they threw this out? this sounds legit i feel like this wouldve been way better than rise of skywalker and at least last jedi wouldve made perfect sense. this concept art is awesome too. the plot sounds sick. at least better than ROS. only thing i dont like is destroying r2-d2 though
Don't worey, R2 gets repaired at the end and I agree with you about the script.
“Rose interrogated by Rose.” Means her character gets tortured....this version already won.
Lol didn't even notice I said that good catch
StarWarsOnly Actually, you did say Rose interrogated by Hux. It was my typo; but Rose being tortured still makes the movie.
@@davidecapps65 bit sadistic if you ask me
@@fofonablus7104 But that's how Hux was supposed to be
When TROS comes out on blue ray, some editing wizard should cut the movie to try and make it like this script
Impossible to do
It doesn't feel final but there are some good ideas to work with. I like the First Order punishing communication between systems. It puts some meat on "They win by making you feel like you're alone". But yeah, it stumbles in the last act. Getting the Grey Jedi right is a tricky af psychological high wire act. I think it's about recognizing the dark side has lessons to teach which is very different than becoming half a Sith. For a light side user the dark side isn't where you gain your power but where you confront your weaknesses. I'd have liked TROS more if they pushed Rey closer to the dark side maybe with a real meaningful scene between her and Dark Rey. It would have made her eventual victory more fulfilling.
Also lmao at "force envy". That would've been brilliant.
From this, I think that Colin Trevorrow should have written all of the movies. I always wanted the sequel trilogy to be about balancing the dark and light sides of the Force, and I think that if he got to develop this story over the course of all three of the movies, it would have been far less weird than it is here.
If this actually be the actual movie, I bet people will still be complaining.
I 100% agree with you on that last point StarWarsOnly about how messed up it was for Rey embracing the Dark Side as being a good thing.
The idea of Rey embracing her anger and the Dark Side goes against the core ideas of Star Wars. The Jedi are the expression of the Force pure and simple. This script repeats the false conception that balance is equality between a Light and Dark Side, rather than the idea of the Dark Side being a corruption of the Force that creates disharmony.
To put it simply, the Dark Side it represents immorality, it always has. It has only ever caused pain, suffering, oppression, and death. To have Rey embrace such immorality goes against the central themes of Star Wars. The Dark Side is what turned Anakin into a monster. The Dark Side almost did the same to Luke.
The difference is that Luke managed to pull back. In a brief moment he gave into anger when dueling against Vader but realized his mistake and refused to be pulled in the Dark Side. He regained control and affirmed his allegiance to the Jedi for forgiving his father and not killing him. That is what being a Jedi is all about and that's why the happy ending of the entire OT was Luke being the last Jedi, ready to pass on what he learned and with the Force being balanced once again.
The happy ending was not equality between Sith and Jedi, it was just the Jedi, exactly as George Lucas intended. Collin clearly believes the former narrative and I am afraid this interpretation goes against the previously established lore and themes of Star Wars. This new script is far from perfect.
Exactly. Balance was never equality of Jedi and sith.
Though I'm sure fans of Grey Jedi would be happy.
Star Wars for better or worse is no longer owned by George Lucas and Disney could include Grey Jedi if they wanted to.
Though it would piss off George Lucas purist.
I like the general premise of needing to know about the dark side at least - not necessarily to use it too. But one could argue one of the failures of the original jedi was that they avoided the dark side and were blind to it, allowing the enemy to grow powerful under their noses and even with their aid. Actually, that was the theme I hoped the sequels would explore - how to rebuild the jedi without falling in the cyclical pattern of dark/light wars that plagued the galaxy for 5000 years.
There are issues with the execution here, but that is also because it had to be embedded in the shitshow that was the sequel trilogy so far, with rey already being overpowered (and this just making it that much worse). It would have been a lot better, I think, if the setting was 'smaller'. No humongous galactic war with yet another empire, but a more personal story of the new jedi against the background of a devastated galaxy trying to recover. Less avengers, more joker.
This script is so much better than what we got and I have no issue with the Light and Dark side of the force idea. The prequel jedis greatest flaw was fearing and avoiding the dark side completely and this script really connects that prequel idea together and does teach Yoda one must be open to all sides of it. The Grey Jedi is what this film could've pushed for and actually made this trilogy somewhat worthwhile
@Star Wars Only and all the Great Star Wars fans,
I consider it an unlikely strategy, however I think the fanbase should try what was done with the snyder cut. A VERSION OF EPISODE 9 WITH THE ORIGINAL VISION OF COLIN TREVORROW !!!! this must be our chance!
it continue from ryan johnson foundation after snoke death....it was his ultimate plan for next 2 movies....episode 9 and episode 10...but fans backlash cause disney to change direction....ryan johnson was to direct episode 10 as last chapter of this story...since both trevor and johnson been sharing scripts and brainstorming for next 2 movies
You don't like Kylo NOT being redeemed? The man killed his father. Who happened to be a SW legend. And redemption was what Ep 1-6 were all about. At least we got something different here. Not perfect, but finally different yet respectful of the lore, which would have been a first in the Disney trilogy.
Yeah cause it kinda hints throughout the entire trilogy that he struggles being dark side and in this draft he just says fuck all that conflict I'm evil
@@StarWarsOnly OK there's never gonna be a better time for this: StarWarsOnly I don't know what the fuck your problem is :))))))
Thanks for the awesome videos bro, you're up there with my top fave SW commentators.
@@nixneato thanks mate!
I LOVE Kylo NOT being redeemed
I wonder if Kylo Ren washes his hands after using the bathroom? If not, then he would be truly evil
Lmao I love how everyone has different facts on this script and dislikes/ likes different things. Either way, I really like this script and I am glad that we at the very least get an alternate story to have speculation on. I think my favorite part about this is that since it isn’t canon, we can take parts of it and add it to our own personal canon.
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Who else would’ve LOVED that movie
@T_ C cant really judge a movie we havent seen based off a script, it wasnt edited at all as this is the rough draft. but im sure you could make a much more coherent story than this one right? and considering the movie we DID get against this script, yes this on its own wouldve been miles ahead of TROS, and also dont tell people what they can and cant love you circus act🤡
Its almost scary how Much better this script sounds
Dude this whole plot sounds leagues better than what we actually got.
I think I like this version a bit better, connecting a few more things in all the eras of Star Wars, but without feeling like it's shoved in your face. I still don't think it would have entirely justified the Sequels existence, but whatever, it happened
What yoda means is that you need both so that you can become one which is right because by trying to to push away darkness you let control you something with light
At the end of this sequel trilogy you gotta ask: What was the actual point of this? Aside from Disney ever growing in wealth, what did Disney actually contribute to Star Wars that was ACTUALLY decent? The answer is nothing. They haven’t provided anything worth knowing (except Mandalorian)
Exactly
Star Wars Resistance, Rouge One, and Star Wars Rebels all brought something new to the table. The Mandalorian is overrated there's to much hype around it for me to care right now. That show is only getting parse because of Baby Yoda. Solo was ok but hey that's just me.
Star Wars Rebels did a good job on showing what was going on with other worlds and what the empire was doing to them.
Star Wars Resistance did a good job telling us more about star wars pilots be they Racers, Ties or Resistance. I also enjoyed the fact that none of the main characters were Force Sensitive this time around added a lot more creativity then people give the show credit for.
Thank you for another nice video. I do appreciate that you seem to be one of the few level headed youtubers talking star wars these days.
I am just really fed up with all the so called star wars fan channels which seems to be more about hating everything star wars because Outrage =clicks.
Keep it up! :)
Oh, and you are totally correct about Balance of the force. According to George Lucas the force is out of Balance when the Sith is around wrecking havoc, so when Luke (and his father) takes out the Emperor in ROTJ then balance is restored!. :)
tcktothemaxxx I agree. He’s the only level
Headed SW RUclipsr. All the other sites hate for the sake of hating.
@@davidecapps65 well tbh. I do know of a couple of other channels that are still fair. Just my opinion ofc :)
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I honestly think the balance of the force is up to interpretation. Yes, the sith taking over makes it unbalanced, but that doesn’t mean the other end of the spectrum will balance it. Sure, it can be a simple good vs bad story, but I think that a bit of both sides, the Yin and the Yang, would make the force more complex.
You could make a case that the rise of the First Order is proof that all light side is unbalanced. Even if one side wins, there will always be those that choose the other.
I just like that they use existing pieces of lore instead of creating their own thing every time.
I’m not crazy about this script but I like how there is at least some world building (Coruscant) and characterization
Looking back on this video for nostalgia, it's pretty amazing, surprising and remarkable that this leak came under a MONTH since The Rise of Skywalker premiering in theatres.
It’s like the studio quickly realized that they screwed up and leaked this script
Ah I kinda like the line "no one is no One" is kinda campy enough that I actually find it amusing.
I’m barely at 1:30 and the opening credits already feel more Star Wars
Fans need to petition they remake 9 and give us this ending that actually feels like a real ending to the entire franchise
At 9:14, when I believe the narrator of this video says "Ray appeals [to Kylo]," the auto-generated captioning interprets it as "rape of eels." I won't say how long I spent trying to figure out what eel plotline I'd missed in Trevorrow's concept....
'I like each director having their own say' - are you insane, what a clusterfuck the third trilogy was
mike77588 it’s good when lucasfilms actually has good people that know their shit guiding the directors
With fins arc they could have thrown a prequels line where he mentioned to fellow troopers that he don't fear the first order as they do. That could be a powerful turn over line that would fit as before.
At least it's not messy like mowie itself. And Palpatine still dead.
Yep
I just wished they made Episode 9 into two parts!
This!! 100% I think it would have done scores to end on an episode X - we cold have had a great expansive, detailed and bombastic conclusion.
I did make my own two scripts after watching TLJ.
Episode 9 - The Final Hope
and
Episode X - The Finale
Me and my friends got disappointed with ROS and we just consider my scripts canon
Right from the title - by far more creativ and more exciting than what we were 'force fed'.
I love this version so much better it makes sense with everything that’s happening galaxy wise
I doubt the final movie would be exactly as we hear it in this video had they went ahead and kept Colin to direct but from what we hear it sounds more interesting than what we got. This is why they should have planned out the trilogy arc and had a road map so they don’t constantly just shift ideas on the fly. Last Jedi retcons The Force Awakens ideas and set ups and then Rise of Skywalker retcons Last Jedis ideas and set ups. No planning or flow with what we currently have.
I agree with you completely. I would have left the theater scratching my head and not liking a lot of things, HOWEVER, I would have gone to see it. I still have absolutely no desire to go see The Rise of Skywalker. I will never watch it.
it's not a bad movie. honestly. its not 2001 a space odyssey so dont expect a super intelligent and deep film. but dont listen to the hate. the problem with Star Wars fans is they feel like they have to hate it to prove how much they love the IP.
@@ryanflood635 They lost me with Palpatine returning. Game over. I have no desire to see it. Also, I'm totally against instant Force abilities and Force Dyads or dryads or whatever the h*ll they are doing to the magical system of the story. I'm against every Star Destroyer having Death Star capabilities (the Death Stars were the size of moons for god's sake). I'm also against a near-dead guy somehow generating the economic power and structure to create a zillion Star Destroyers and army without anyone noticing. Force Teleporting objects --- nope. I'm sure JJ Abrams did the best he could but I still have no desire to see this mangled mess of a universe I love.
"That's not how the Force works !"
The idea of embracing the light & the dark is acknowledging that there is a grey area in our moral compass . If you just embrace the light , you make the mistake of acting in arrogance, righteousness is blinding to the point where you can't see your own flaws but instead focus on those of others , whereas embracing the dark means you corrupt yourself by indulging in everything , while indulging is not a crime , not setting boundaries is dangerous . So being balanced means embracing the LIGHT & the DARK !!!
This sounds much better than we got with The Rise of Skywalker.
The fans ruined star wars. We were so toxic George left. We sent the message to Disney that we wanted a original reboot. We bashed 8 so much before nine even came out and then 9 ended up being a reaction to the hate 8 got. Everything after episode 3 is just a reaction to fan hate. Episode 7 was just a reboot? Have a fucking art film with episode 8.
I like the world building and the originality of this version. There are definitely issues, but this was clearly an early draft.
They should bring back the Star Wars Infinities brand and turn this into a comic book. Honestly there is some great stuff in this script that should come to fruition in some form.
Andi The Ewok I miss that book series sooooo much
They need to do that to the prequels to
That would be very cool.
wait... Finn is acutally usefull in this version? :o
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Well, I disliked TLJ and really disliked ROS (and TFA was boring). But, this doesn't sound much better than either. Sigh.
I agree
I also agree
If you liked ROS, you disliked TLJ for the wrong reasons. The writing is actually much worse in ROS. I didnt think it was possible to make a movie worse than TLJ regarding plot holes, writing mistakes, character assassinations etc.
@@whatNtarnation90 I disliked both TLJ and ROS. IMO, both are bad.
@@AntN someone posted a comment saying they hated tlj but liked ros. Guess he deleted his comment lol
I was kind of hoping the point of the sequel trilogy was to establish a sort of "Order of the Force". No Jedi, no Sith. Just people who are force sensitive being trained under Rey & Kylo. Because as most people pointed out about the prequels, the Dark Side took over and prospered because the Jedi became corrupt. They wanted the Light Side of the Force to be the only way. But no it's just another good guys beat bad guys. God forbid we have challenging & complex storytelling in Star Wars.
Dude that would have been awesome
Calling the Jedi corrupt is an inaccurate use of the word. And good guys vs bad guys has always been what Star Wars is about, Lucas literally created it promote idealism and counter the morally grey films that had taken over Hollywood.
I like the idea with a coexistence between light and dark and that would’ve actually felt newer than the Ending we got which is eventually return of the Jedi again
I think it would have been better if kylo ren realise why he was wrong about his family and vader arrives as a force ghost, telling him to listen to his heart and know the truth inside him, that past is like a scar, it always hurts, it always leaves a mark over us, but it is our will that lets us embrace our past and know the truth, that it fades one day. Vader reflects how his choices affected his loved ones and always left a scar on his mind, making him think that there is no good, no hope in him, but his son made him realise the truth and told luke never to make the same mistakes he made. Vader then fades, saying that choice always reflects the conflict, good or evil inside us and we must choose. Kylo Ren, then understands what vader always meant and proclaims himself as a Skywalker. He eradicates the knights of ren, abolishes the darkness inside him and fights snoke's second apprentice, but does not kill her, saying it is not the way of the jedi, and leaves her. He fights snoke along with rey and throws him into the depth of light, but fatally injures himself while defeating him. He lives his last moments seeing the light shining upon the sky, the light of hope, and fades into the light, fades into hope, while rey buries his lightsaber and luke's on the tatooine sands where it began, as the generations of skywalker, new and old, watch over her from the horizon. Rey looks at the beautiful twin rising suns of tatooine, signifying the rise of the jedi, of new hope, as the film ends.
We should get a directors cut using this script, like what Zack Snyder did
If they made this movie the RUclipsrs would be screaming at Disney as to why they didn’t bring JJ back
But if those RUclipsrs knew that Palpatine would be back, then they would be grateful about what Colin did
I'm glad that movie didn't get made.
You had me at Coruscant
this version was still better than what we got
Where did all that concept art come from? Amazing stuff!
That script sounds convoluted. And not in a good way.
Better plot, better character arcs, true to established Star Wars, but not enough poetic symmetry, no resolution, no point and no ANAKIN. Idk. I cant see a good episode 9 existing with TFA and TLJ coming before it.
You're right it wouldn't have gone over R2D2 is one of the most recognizable and respected characters in the franchise kill him off and you're going to have a full scale riot. I got to say this is definitely Superior to what rise of Skywalker was.
Imagine if they did do the two parter thing. This could be part 1 and Rise of Skywalker part 2.
I like colins version
The whole issue with the Jedi was that they rejected connection, whereas Luke always embraced it. And somehow the lesson is "embrace the darkside"... Fuck me, these guys just haven't watched the films
Much better. Dialogue had lots of opportunities to change. But it lacks a strong interesectiom between what Rey/Kylo are doing and what's going on elsewhere. If Kylo it Rey win , so what, TFA still lost
One of the strongest aspects of TROS is it finally gives us Finn, Poe and Rey together on a mission. They didn't work together as a unit as much as I'd like but at least they were together for much of the film's runtime.
I like using Coruscant. Makes sense to attack the capital and it's great World building.
So Rey is Italian?
I would have liked to see Coruscant again.
but still got no idea how all First order conquered ALL GALAXY without their magic death star ot his main capital ship...
Thank God The Mandolorian came out, that saved the franchise.
I understand your criticism, but at the same time I would respectfully disagree.
I feel that this script (based on what I heard. I still need to check it out myself) was much better than what we got officially. The only reason why it was scrapped was because of what happened to Carrie fisher, rest her soul, so they had to botch it.
this sounds so much fucking better than Rise of Skywalker, my god
You know what, I think a mix of both scripts from DOF and TROS would have made a good Star Wars movie haha
I just want an Old Republic Trilogy. That's my favorite era of Star Wars, and I think it could really reinvent what the general audience of these movies think. All I can hope is that 20 years into the future, the sequel trilogy is considered not canon, and rejected. I really just don't like much about it. The characters are annoying, the universe is dull, and it just sucks. Everything in the comics is so much more interesting, entertaining, and deeper.
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Am I the only person on god's green earth that despised the last jedi but loved the rise of skywalker
Not exactly, but ye, kinda-sorta. For you, friend. ruclips.net/video/HJtTLhzQ2xM/видео.html
I despised the Last Jedi and didn't like Rise of Skywalker overall, but there were elements to Episode 9 I still really liked. Still can't get over the major, canon breaking moments in that film though.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi Let's face it, it was all mostly recycled tauntaun dung, but do check this out, for science - ruclips.net/video/HJtTLhzQ2xM/видео.html
You’re missing the point with the whole quasi-Lightside, quasi-darkside. The failure of the Jedi (Yoda, Obi-Wan, etc.) in the prequels is that they rejected the dark side entirely. Or rather they rejected traits and characteristics that they believed would draw one to the dark side, such as love and attachment. As we saw with Anakin in the prequels, that mindset is what ultimately led to their destruction. Whereas, the Sith are far too selfish and lean too much into the dark side to truly thrive. There is no middle ground. Theoretically if you could attain that middle ground, you would have balance between the light and the dark. That is what this script is trying to get at. Yoda's order rejected the dark side. The Sith rejected the light. Rey found a balance. I get you don’t like it because it makes Rey seem like more of a Mary-Sue. But the core idea is consistent with the overarching Star Wars story. If Rey was a different character, you probably wouldn’t have an issue with it.
Now I wanna see JJ’s TROS
The point of sequel trilogy was to create more merchandise to sell kids and parents without the intention of good story telling and appealing to the Chinese market.
So I know I'm late to this video, but I just read the leaked script and a fair amount of what this guy is talking about is not in that script.
It would have been good and the namesake of dual of the fates would be a cool name and why didn't we get this version instead of the rise of skywalker name and we couldn't have Kathleen Kennedy fire but nope Disney shot themselves in the foot. Splendid video star wars only.
We Need This As An ACTUAL Movie By Doing The Same Thing By Getting Them To Release Colins Trevoror Cut Like Zack Snyder's Cut! #ReleaseTheColinCut
Why did the take it from the guy who successfully rebooted Jurassic Park and made two billion dollar movies?
How much studio politics were going on lol
They are both uniteresting directors, I would label each of them as more of a craftsman but at the end of the day these movies are about the money so it's not surprising these are the people considered to direct Star Wars...
All this said. I do like the JJ version better
Rey claiming she is light and dark. She is making revan role in his grave
It doesn't take a genius to know that the jedi WERE morons in the prequels. It's pretty clear their point of view was narrow.
Also, this script would have revealed Rey's last name to be Solano, and not made her related to Palpatine at all! Stuff like this makes me even angrier at Catbitch Kennedy and Joke Joke Abrams for ruined it all!!
Hux out here with a Force Oedipus Complex
This film would’ve been way better than rise of skywalker. Rise of skywalker is the worst Star Wars film just spending a trilogy killing a villain that’s already been killed and having split which makes no sense and barely anything exciting in the film. Duel of the fates would’ve an epic film. Definitely in the top 5.
I would have thrown my popcorn at the screen if they'd killed off R2D2.
Not a good sign for the old JP cast returning for Jurassic World if Colin is the type to kill off fan favorites for a cheap emotional moment.
The knights of ren sort Contricds that they are sort of have force sentive