Atheist Experience 21.20 with Matt Dillahunty, Tracie Harris, and Chris Johnson
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- 14:45 Josh: Buffalo, NY: Why Don’t You Believe? (Repeat Caller “Andrew”)
35:00 Daniel: Victoria, BC: Wiccan Minister
56:12 Ivan: Scotland: The Odds That Primitive People Were Right About God
1:11:17 Kris: Toronto, Canada: Answered Prayer, God is Love
1:32:15 Mike: Wadena, MN: Pascal’s Wager and Fear of Hell
The Atheist Experience episode 21.20 for May 21, 2017, with Matt Dillahunty, Tracie Harris and guest Chris Johnson. A Better Life. Author Chris Johnson discusses his book and film about prominent atheists.
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Man! Traci does it again. 22:37 "Is there anything else on the planet that when you want to know whether or not it's true, you go and you sit in your room and you just pray to it to reveal to you that it's true?" MUSHROOM CLOUD! Drop the mic Traci.
Kris, like many believers, is in love with feeling as if she's special and above non believers.
Yeah her story is really sad. Real desperation.
Kris came across to me as a passive aggressive extraordinaire.
No concept of reality.
Josh/Andrew/"Lies about his name" is consistently one of the most obnoxious callers in the history of the show.
I'm sorry, I just beat up Josh.
In response to Kris from Toronto, that is beyond egotistical not just for her but for every religious person out there to believe that they're so special God is going to override another persons free will to make them do something that will reveal him. Saying "this person did this therefore God" is the most selfish and egotistical thing you REGULARLY hear from the religious and I have no clue how they think themselves SO SPECIAL that it makes any sense at all to them.
Tracie’s ending diatribe was amazing. That concept was what I used to allow myself to cross the threshold of disbelief.
You cannot reason a man out of something he didn't reason himself into.
MATT! My truck backfires at least once a day, then, I had sausage and eggs for breakfast, and 2 WEEKS LATER my truck didn't backfire once that day! Jimmy Dean revealed himself to me and I eat his breakfast every day. My truck backfires again every day, but I got his message already.
Getting really tired of Andrew calling in under different names with the same tired, lame arguments.
Gotta love the objections to the unicorn from the guy who thinks he's a god-detector
in the spouse example with Daniel, it's worse than that...
Daniel would be advocating the proposition that, while he cannot know if his spouse is faithful or unfaithful, because it gives him comfort, he should avoid looking for any evidence that would show his spouse to be unfaithful.
and in the general argument, he's literally saying (about his beliefs, if his beliefs were analogous to the spouse example) that even when somebody presents evidence that his spouse is unfaithful, he's justified in ignoring that evidence, because believing his spouse is faithful makes him feel good.
When you have to lie to make your point, maybe your point wasn't all that great to begin with.
Argument from Lying. The OG fallacy.
I have no idea how a blade of grass is love but you gotta love Tracie in her fierce mode.
Josh/Andrew/Alex seems to have no qualms in lying, calling in under made-up names
i kind of like when JAA calls. You can hear the wheels turning and I can always appreciate a anyone who understands debate protocol even if they're fundamentally wrong. At the same time, he's way off but i enjoy the struggle.
@@calpow5605 He asks the same question almost every single time. I wonder why.
Lying is the only path to theism.
He's gone by "Adam" too
@@GodForHire "No you are wrong about the way you feel, and the reason why is because I feel differently!"
Matt: "You say you 'sense' God. What makes you think this feeling is God? And not just...a feeling?"
Josh/Alex/Andrew: "Well it's a feeling that feels like a feeling that's a feeling from God would feel. If you know what I mean."
Okay. He didn't /actually/ say it quiiite like that.
He rejects believing that your spouse isn't cheating on you as a properly basic belief, but that's no more arbitrary than believing God belief is properly basic.
@@Krikenemp18 Anything spouse-related is 'more' _properly basic_ than anything deity-related. Spouse has been seen not engaged in sex with another. Deity hasn't been spotted existing.
This is the first time I've ever hear a normal person (any person that isn't me) quote Tim Minchin... pleasant surprise is one of the best feelings.
I think poor Kris is not quite right in the head. She sounds a bit simple. Hope she gets the help or medication that she needs.
A really lovely episode... Currys was a calming influence in the room and this confused with interesting callers.
Why do you guys talk to this guy Josh or whatever name he is using at this time. He talks about the same old stupid crap 💩 every time he calls
I have a couple hypotheses- the call screeners may not recognize his voice right away. He calls, tells the screener what he wants to talk about and they put him on hold. Limited talk and not enough time to determine he's THE repeat caller. Especially since he lies to them about his name and where he's from. Almost every time, he changes his name and place. The second idea I have is that the screeners KNOW who he is, he hasn't been banned yet, and they know the hosts will wipe the floor with him and be a useful TOOL. As most of us know, the show is not necessarily for the callers, it's for the viewers to objectively see what is being said by another person and how irrational most of it is.
I just want to smack his dumb ass.
He doesn't even try to disguise his voice, his voice and smugness makes me want to strangle him.
Perhaps they're just optimistic that they'll eventually get through to him.
If you find something in the Bible that you don't like, you might start questioning everything.
It follows that in order to believe the important truths, you must believe everything in the Bible.
Likewise you must believe everything you are told in Church.
Take away one card and the house of cards collapses.
I found something in the Bible I don't like.
Licorice.
I frickin HATE licorice.
Take away the 4 of spades. Then, when it all falls down, it falls in a "lacking a 4 of spades" kind of a way.
When a Theist becomes an Atheist, people ask, why did you lose your faith? When an Atheist becomes a Theist, I ask, why did you lose your reason?
Kris appears to have some sort of mental deficiency. Poor girl.
She sounds like a sweet heart though. Good intentions but not rational. I don't think she's mentally challenged she's just average intelligence.
This was a great episode. Thank you guys!
wow I had no idea people so deluded exist in America, I first became aware of this when I heard an American say, god gave trump to his chosen people, the americans.
you're kidding , right ? stop grandstanding. every person in the USA that has an intellect knows 70% of this country is dumb.
@@thomasluczak2868 it's about the degree/extent of the dumb that's astounding. I feel it, too, KNOWING that people pre-Reagan had a measure of common sense.
Every day anymore proves the quote attributed to Einstein: " Two things are infinite -- the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe."
The problem is Christians think that for them to question the existence of god is a sin and a hell worthy transgression. Kinda makes it hard to be objective.
chris from toronto will interpret anything as god revealing himself even these atheists on the show discredeting him
Tracie's calculator analogy hit the nail. I'll borrow if it's okay. (: Dreading when there are no more new for me past AE episodes. No more tracie or Jen. Thoughtful, introspective, experienced.
why don't they just ask the obvious question ? IS RUSH YOUR FAVORITE BAND !
Ha, okay okay, rush is up there, but some formidable contenders. Floyd, zep, etc.
I agree that emotions are not necessarily illogical or irrational, until it comes to the defense of ideas. If a new idea appeals to my intellect, I will listen and give it a chance. If a new idea only has emotional appeal, I dismiss it out of hand. (“I believe in the Holy Spirit/Jesus/whatever because of how it makes me feel”, etc., ad nauseum.) Don’t tell me how you feel. That is irrelevant. Tell me what you think. If you can’t tell me what you think (or if you don’t know how to think), please go away.
Believers on some level know that their beliefs are a house of cards and if you start poking at them it all falls apart, so they can’t entertain any idea that they might be wrong.
28:48 I cracked up at that part haha
And spouses can make up, fake or lie about their love for the other. And now someones feelings of equivalent love are built around irrational evidence. (IE: someones fake love for them).
That dude in the middle is very narrow.
Seems to smack of supernatural shenanigans.
Is he the devil?
He's an animatron.
Matrix glitch.
But, not narrow-minded, a problem You'll find with a lot US americans
Josh; wants to actually question the likelihood of ALL OF REALITY, and tie himself into knots to make his argument justifying his belief, because apparently THAT'S what it takes for him to make his beliefs appear rational to others lol if that's how God works, WHY would anyone give him an OUNCE of credibility, let alone deference and respect?!
Kris is no very bright and brainwashed
Am I the only one for whom the audio and video are out of synch?
"You probably will be angry if I continue" all believers in the South should wear this on a t-shirt.
Thought he was from buffalo , n y .
26:40 is one for the debate books.
Matt, you missed a question to "Josh" after you brought up the feeling of unicorn, you should have asked him if he understands exactly what you mean by "feeling of unicorn" because that's what you were asking him about his "feeling of God"
if he wants to know what you mean by "feeling of unicorn" then he can't complain that you want to know what he means by "feeling of God"
3:29 WHY do so many people drop the S on words like "dentist" and "atheist"? The first S doesn't count!!
Wrong: ST
Right: STS
STSSSSS
Boom @21:50 the response? "I don't know"
Matt is always "doing well" when it's the first caller. Later in the show, not so much. Grin
This has predictive value.
@@brucebaker810 As does the behavior of theists and atheists... predictably logical for atheists and predictably moronic from theists. 🙄
I feel like Daniel only holds his beliefs to be avant-garde.
Religious tax exemption picks my pocket, religious inquisition, stoning non virgin brides and homosexuals breaks more than my leg.
Daniel will probably be an atheist at some point. He's admitted his beliefs are unreasonable so I would think that's hard to hold on to while simultaneously asking questions (like calling atheist shows) and still keep those beliefs much longer before something "clicks" and he realizes it doesn't make sense.
Poor Kris....the atypical delusion, "God Is Love", wow...my god is a penny i randomly find on the ground.....
Holy quarters, sacred 50cent, glorious euros...
Kris sounds like a very sweet girl, but her mind is poisoned with religion. Poor girl.
Andrew
He has called several times and it is always the same question and his answers are so stupid that sometimes it makes me want to hit the screen please do not take his call we do not learn anything from that
43:00 still wrong even you don't know it. Still bad to believe something that's false.
Is guy in the middle Tracie`s brother?
Block Josh or whatever name he uses. He calls every week with that affected voice of his.
My daughter had an invisible made up friend when she was 3. We (her parents) did not encourage it. At 4 1/2 she grew away from this delusion. Sounds a lot like Josh/Andrews god.
Gotta love it when a known liar questions others on why they don't believe in God.
Josh is a lost, confused little boy who is having difficulty with words and their meanings. He seems dishonest. It's as if he's using his ignorance as an excuse rather than seeking information.
They've GOT to get rid of that cheezie intro music. Sorry not sorry.
penguins are heathens.
Penguins are just atheists cuz they wanna sin. SIN! They want to dance, and drink, and fornicate. Those sinful, svelte, elegant birds, in their tuxedos, splashing around drunk, fornicating...
Josh my arse
Andrew.....sounds as arrogant as he is?
Josh Andrew Alex he calls with his awful argument under different names and he literally says the exact same thing every time. He asked the same question. Why don't you believe in God he almost verbatim word for word has the same call and the answers that he gets sometimes lead into different directions, but he is obnoxious and smug and every single time he calls he gets completely demolished and he's sitting there reading from a script and if it goes against his script he gets angry and doesn't want to talk about that anymore and wants to move on. He is a little Smug kid who probably gets bullied he has an obnoxious voice that makes you just want to punch him and the only good thing about his calls is listening to him get angry when he's getting completely obliterated by Matt. But I'm glad that he stopped calling. You're probably sick of getting embarrassed every single fucking time.
Daniel is deeply confused about rationality.... no wonder he was a religious pastor.... he can bullshit himself in a circle....
Poor Kris. I hope Tracy's experience will allow Kris to see the error in her ways.
Wow...kris is delusional 😳
Oh man, will someone please gather up all the confidently smug zealots (that turn into to stuttering, stammering idiots when logic is applied) with the worst argumentation, and AT LEAST, tell them what "right" and "exactly" mean!
It is too painful to listen to Kim...it's like she can't get beyond kindergarten when it come to the God delusion. Unfortunately there are billions just like her.
I have a bit of a problem with taking calls from people like Kris. She's basically a Muppet. She's sick. You wouldn't pick on an alcoholic.
but how would they know that beforehand? they cant control who calls in and she'd probably feel insulted or dismissed if they just hung up on her or hushed her away & went on to the next caller
Ever since I became an Atheist, my life lost a lot of meaning. Knowing that life is pointless is a very tough pill to swallow, and most humans can't swallow it.
Some Atheists can manage to self-brainwash themselves into writing coffee table books, traveling and creating their "own meaning." However, truthfully speaking we know it is just a form of replacing organized religion with individualized spiritual religion.
Life is pointless. We are all going to die. What is worse, a billion years will go by, and if evolution is true, we won't even be the same species.
So, all this "personal meaning" stuff is just fluff. The truth is terrible. This is why people need their religions. You don't have to believe in a maximally powerful being who created everything, but you still need to believe in something that can't be proven with the scientific method or rationalized with logic. If you can't, then you are very close to the final solution.
@SS 1964
How is a life that will end, and be forgotten in the stream of space-time "important?"
Scientists are approximating the Universe to be 14B years old, so you think your life will be remembered 14B years from the point of your death? Do you even comprehend how much space-time and change that is?
Be realistic.
@tari813
There is no treatment for reality. Life is not important when you step outside yourselves.
Atheists who believe that life is important are making the same mistake as theists who believe that their god created the Universe just to suit them.
When I became an atheist, my life was exponentially more meaningful. I realized that the life I have RIGHT NOW is the only life I will ever get. That makes it so much more precious so much more important.
So what if I will not exist forever as someone promised me before? Thats not what the point of existing or living life is. Its not about the end result. Its about being alive right now. You have this one chance to experience, to live, to learn, to laugh, to cry.
Does the fact that your car will end up rusting in a junk yard one day make your car meaningless and purposeless RIGHT NOW? Of course not.
Life isnt about the end result.
Being alive, even for such a short time is infinitely better than never existing in the first place.
Just because you ended up in a nihilistic funk, that doesn't signify that "nihilistic funk" is the appropriate or necessarily default response to finding out there's no deity-set purpose.
And obtw...no Forever Cookie for you.
You might be atheist nihilist. Or theist agent provocateur. Either way, you don't get to set reality to fit your definitions.
Finally a smart spiritual person on one of your shows, he's scholarly and knows how to be rational about religion. Is it reasonable that giant orbs in the"sky/void/nothingness/heavens/ etc," float suspespended by something you call force, but not only did they move by force, but they move in what might as well be measured as a forever to witnesses of the enigma...It's unreasonable to say you know how all this became, but some say the big bang is the only explanation for what we never witnessed, from our understanding. You are not justified by discrediting searching, that's like promoting stagnancy or neglect of finding the/something unknown. Your argument that spiritual evidence is meritless work, or work towards such is, is a lie. this is the definition of spirit the principle of conscious life; the vital principle in humans, animating the body or mediating between body and soul. Your saying that isn't allowed to be allowed in your tone. Your saying that you can but to do so is a waste of time no matter how you believe in your spirit or connection to god/gods/divine. As soon as you can explain things like how I can feel eyes on me from behind and turn around to see who's checking me out isn't interconnectivity evidence than I think you must be discredited for you lack of sense. I saw because of God, I saw coincidence happen that seems like miracles I've witnessed things with other people who know what happened that you would say that is impossible, I've seen birds behave in unfamiliar ways towards me at pivotal times in my life, in fact my life has change a lot as in progressed things that if I say you would say it's unquantifiable from your end but I know I'd be a blind, braindead, careless person at this point to dismiss what I've seen, and yes I questioned before judgment, but no I've prayed enough and been answered so many times. I can explain myself but your not going to tell me just because you know how fast a planet is going you have answered how it is in a perfect place.
@Please Complete All Fields I agree that most popular religion is good and bad moralistic view used to ultimately create a sameness of people within a people's. But seriously there is more to life than the shit believers and atheist say so I just have to individualize my way of thinking because, and I'm not going into it at all, I know for a fact that there is high level spirituality that can be witnessed and withheld. There are thing I've seen that have come to coordinated to disregard because someone else didn't experience it.
I wish Kris woke up with my "name" in her "spirit" if you know what I mean she sounds hot I think she was coming on to Matt but he blew it
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Mysterious Ways.
Screaming complaints. Whiny. Demanding (from anonymity) that people DO WHAT YOU WANT.
Yeah. That scans with Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah.