The best thing about the nebula class was that it finally meant that TNG had gotten a budget increase to have something other than the galaxy that wasnt 100 years old
@@VikCachat is that the oberths or the mirandas ? Seriously i wish there was a way to do a rewrite of TNG…. Maybe a pre farpoint era where we would see the galaxy era variants we saw at Best of Both worlds …. Nebula, springFields , etc…. Have them all have the horseshoe themed bridge…. But with subtle variations to show them to be a lower class of vessel… have the two seat command area layout of the voyager…. A single command seat but with an XO station up on the upper tier have a very cramped layout akin to TOS constitution but with TNG styling …
I always preferred the Nebula Class over the Galaxy BUT only because it looked like a more beefy ship with engines and such more tucked in for a smaller target and more protection from above. Always looked like more of a combat ship than the Galaxy Class.
In universe, the nacelles placed outside the body is said to allow better speeds. But closer in does mean they're better protected. That's also why they have ramscoops in front of the nacelle, so any steller matter captured goes straight to the engine. Notice how the Klingons didn't put ramscoops at the front of the nacelles though. Instead, in front of their engines, they had disruptors. Because that's what they prioritize.
It's certainly a more efficient-looking class. Same saucer, same secondary hull, same nacelles, but without the nacelle struts and neck of the Galaxy, and with an attached pod. A tighter profile, more compact, like a Galaxy stripped down of the luxuries.
I always liked this class for its implied ability to completely swap the mission module. It communicates a known need to move a massive bay to a site, full of science or torpedoes as needed.
The economics of the 24th century are quite different. Money doesn't exist in the federation. The neck of the galaxy class represents an extraneous cost of time and resources, as well as a potential vulnerability by providing a larger target. The Nebula is more compact and has a more centralized mass, allowing it to be faster and more maneuverable at impulse speeds. The Nebula is 85% of the Galaxy with 95% of the capability. It's what you get when the engineers and field testers cut out the stuff that doesn't work and simplify the design for mass production. With the addition of mission pods on the back, which could be almost anything, the Nebula far surpasses the galaxy's capability.
The best thing I like about this ship is the fact that the main shields are generated as an almost perfect sphere around the ship. This would prevent there from being any week points for enemies to target. It also would allow the warp field to also be a perfect sphere, saving power while improving speed and maneuverability. The weapons layout gives it a better 360 degrees of targeting as well. I always thought that the reason that the Borg built either cubical ships or spherical ships was for those very reasons - shields and warp drive field being a perfect sphere, while they can fire in all directions with equal amounts of firepower and types of weapons. In the Voyager Episode, "Scorpion", we see the Borg ships spinning on their central axis when they are fighting Species 8472. With each side firing and taking hits, then rotating so a new set of weapons can fire back, while also rotating the main shields so that they aren't hit in the same area multiple times. Knowing the Borg, by the time one section of ship had finished rotating back to a firing position, they would have repaired any damage and regenerated the shields in that area. We don't ever see them fight like that again, but they really never came up to an enemy that could take their ships out so easily.
I’d rather command a Nebula Class, they’re my favourite starship. It’s missing the Galaxy’s neck but with the rear pylon and module on the back I’d say the nebula is actually bigger.
She might be the little sister of the Galaxy, but that's one HUGE little sister. The Enbula's internal space is almost as large as the also huge Galaxy class. I always hoped for a TNG episode in which the Enterprises saucer and stardrive were seperated and a Nebula stardrive had to fetch her saucer in order to bring it home. It would have been a treat to see the Enterprise in Nebula configuration at one time. But alas.
Second thought…. Its has always been my head canon that the nebula class thst data was commanding was being operated out of a auxilary bridge station as the main bridge was being refitted and updated while in drydock
@@Th0ughtf0rce yeah i have an entire progression of how Each class in the galaxy era has a bridge layout a little bit “smaller” but with the TNG style … with fewer and command seating , first no bench seats, then a voyager style, then just a captain seat, until you end up with a TNG version of the TOS enterprise layout …. In that same vein the commanding officer of ships are reduced in rank in the same way regular navy vessels are bot always captain by someone with captain rank…
The basics of a slightly smaller but still powerful starship with the ability to fit modular mission pods is a tactically sound idea and fits the universe well. The fact that it had a crew of less than 800 signifies that this ship at least doesn't suffer from the stupid idea of having civilians running around on a ship that could well end up on defensive duties unlike its larger sister class (I have no idea what Gene Rodeenberry was thinking on that one).
That's easy, the Galaxy-class was designed for 20 year long deep space exploration missions far outside of communications range with the Federation/Starfleet.
The CG Nebula made for DS9/VOY is a kitbash of a Galaxy and has a Galaxy secondary hull instead of the proper custom Nebula deflector dish and shape. Fan-made CG ships have corrected this but Eaglemoss used the Bonchune-sourced version for their USS Phoenix's main hull, so it's incorrect.
I don't understand why the Nebula would be the "buget" Galaxy class when, if anything, it's a larger ship. It's more compact but it clearly has more mass. The primary and secondary hulls are the same size, but the Nebula has the additional space afforded by the top module. I felt the same way about the Miranda, it was clearly larger and beefier than the Constitution but everyone calls it a "light" cruiser. It feels a lot like that old meme of the two glasses, one shorter and wider, the other taller and thinner, they hold the same amount of water but when you ask the kid which holds more water they point to the taller glass.
@@ncv-eu4rj Forget the rollbar, the Miranda has that boxy rear-hull portion added on to the back of the saucer, that more than makes up for the lack of the secondary hull. It's flatter, but much wider, giving the Miranda more interior space than the Constitution.
I always thought the Nebula was the coolest ship, it looked much more sturdy, it also became the ship of Starfleet Engineering Corp and best sci ship in many combat ST games.
I would rather command a Nebula class for the mission profile it was used for. Galaxy classes tend to go on long-duration deep space missions, while the Nebula tend to stay more within UFP space for logistical missions. Both have similar internal space and amenities, so there would be no discernible loss of comfort, but you would get to rotate home more often.
"kit bashing" is basically like what happened in WW2 when they would take the same parts and try to reconfigure them into something new by adding or removing parts.
My Farragut conversion kit just arrived yesteday, which means I am finally able to build one of those. What a coincidence that this video just came out.
With the triangular module, isn’t it likely the Nebula’s mass was greater than the Galaxy or the same? Seems highly unlikely it was less. Much like the Miranda is actually bigger than the Constitution (credit YT: EC Henry). More generally, I’m not sure what the canonical Nebula looks like - as it’s different in most outings. The cgi model has different proportions, the physical different weapons (even between episodes) and the ST: Online version has impulse engines!
You forgot to mention the USS Endeavor NCC-71805 which was the only ship to survive Wolf 359 and was mentioned in VOY with an entry from Captain Amasov's log about the battle. And it again appeared in First Contact as part of the Fleet. It was also part of Picard's blockade fleet during the Klingon Civil war. And Hell yes Picard RUINED the F and Titan-A/ Enterprise-G. The F never really got a chance to shine and renaming the Titan to the G was a HUGE disservice to the Titan. Not to mention now there are only 2 Enterprise left between the G and the J that will have to span 200 years or so. So the H and I will have to have VERY long service careers.
I wouldn't call it a budget Galaxy I mean it's got all the same parts except for the neck. Even if those parts are a bit smaller? So it's going to have most of the manufacturing costs anyway. I think it's designed as more dictated by the role it is supposed to play. Now if you say the budget part is from internals, I guess I have no information to refute that. Maybe half of it is empty where the Galaxy class is full of expensive equipment. 🤷
I always like to believe that different/shared bridge sets for ships are because the bridge itself is a exchangeable module. Each one a different specialization/optimization for the missions type that ship would be performing. The Galaxy bridge for example is extravagant because it will be the first thing other civilizations will see during First Contact.
Budget ? How dare you ? 😂 i read somewhere she cost 10 percent less than the galaxy, but she was the most produced federation starship of the 24th century,
I daresay that source is plainly wrong. They're probably the same price or slightly more if the pods are included. Obviously, not the most produced as well. Unless we're talking about the Birth of the Federation game where spamming upgraded Nebulas is a viable strategy. 😂
@Th0ughtf0rand ce the galaxy is bigger, the pods are mass produced or mission specific, I would see that makes them cheaper not more expensive, The nebula was in service for around a decade before the galaxy, and they were slowly produced, They were originally going to make 12 , but only made 6 , then they didn't start to mass produce until the dominion war , they were making them in large numbers before during and after tbg , they were modernising the fleet, Nebula is launched in the 2360s , and is in production still around nemesis, ( replacements from the vast loses in the war ) galaxy were being replaced with Ross class , When the paused galaxy, after the yomato, they continued with nebula and made better versions of them , and they waited until the galaxy refit to mass produce, and they made a large number of galaxy battleship/ carrier's during the war , But if it's not nebula and not galaxy, which ship was most produced then ? In your opinion ?
In my mind, the Nebula Primary was scaled down 10% from the Galaxy, thus making it 3/4 the size. This would make it a much different ship, but the size would not be disintguishable on screen.
The encyclopedia and many online sources state that the Nebula was slightly smaller than the Galaxy, contrary to real life and on-screen evidence. The only possible explanation is that they're talking about the stock model (i.e., without any pod attached).
I always loved the nebula it seems like the real workhorse ship of starfleet, great video would love to see you do a video on the Normandy sr2 from mass effect
I would take a Nebula over a Galaxy all day long. I also like to think that Data commanded Sutherland from an auxiliary bridge/battle bridge. The ship was undergoing significant work, and the main bridge may have been unusable.
I’ve never really considered the Nebula as a budget Galaxy class or a little sister, more of an equivalent to the Galaxy, but in a reconfigured way. The Nebula’s interior volume isn’t far off while the ship’s components, many of which are the same as the Galaxy’s, are arranged in way to give it more compact dimensions. And while it didn’t have a neck connecting the saucer to the engineering hull, it had a neck/pylon on which the rear modules were located. I always preferred the Nebula while the Sutherland looks fabulous IMO. Was there ever a Miranda/Nebula equivalent of the Excelsior and Ambassador classes? Or even the Ross?
Aesthetically and for mission role it was a great design and update of the Miranda. The only problem I had with it was that they never used a lot of the internal volume on the Enterprise which was just empty and not fitted out, so it implies Starfleet was similarly mass producing all these Nebulas with an inefficent use of internal volume. Perhaps thats why the mission pod wasnt kept on succeeding ship classes, it was unnecessary as there was enough spare internal volume.
It took me almost decades to realize, that the Nebula is to the Galaxy, what the Miranda-Class was to the Constitution class a "squat" version of the starship.
A deleted scene from "The Wounded" has Maxwell saying he always wanted a Galaxy class ship. That indicates even some captains of Nebula class ships would prefer the Galaxy
If the saucer of the Nebula is the same size as that of the Galaxy, that means the Nebula has more mass than the Galaxy... not exactly an indication of a "budget version."
I like to think that the constitution class or galaxy class long neck platforms are starfleets first generation production model for primium early model tech. As technologies are refined and standardised that technology finds itself fitted into older models and specially designed more economic short neck designs like the miranda or the nebula. Though i doubt that the franchise itself holds to such rule in its world building, instead favouring a "that look neat" mentality 🤔
Always loved the Nebula since I was a kid, especially when I saw it in Generations in the theater. I've had many models of it over the years from Eaglemoss to the old Micromachines model. Loved it as a ship in games, too. Especially Star Trek Armada made it really cool with its shield draining ability. It will alway be one of the best star trek ship designs ever, I think.
Nebula is my favorite class... but galaxy is right with it. I think its more maneuverable, but the galaxy class has the saucer separation to make it more maneuverable. Nebula is heavier than the stardrive section of the galaxy, and can use all the power available. It has its pluses and the galaxy has its pluses.
It felt like that flyby scene from Generations had some screwy scaling because I don't think that the Oberth-class is THAT small. It looked like a runabout flying past that Nebula-class. Also we know it's a kitbash but one wonders in canon what the justification was for having that wedge pod pylon right in line with the approach to the main shuttlebay on the saucer, talk about an awkward flight path. At least the USS Phoenix had twin pylons giving a clear path but still seems unnecessarily awkward.
To me, I seems like the Nebula class is just as big and capable as the Galaxy class. While it may look a bit like a 24th century version of the Miranda class, it still kept the secondary hull and added a thing up top. But just like how the Miranda's adaptability and modularity allowed it to far outlive the much more difficult to update Constitution Class, I wouldn't be surprised if the Nebula outlived the Galaxy for the same reasons. I kind of miss the use of physical models. Sure, it's great having so many different designs now, but they feel more throwaway, since it's relatively cheap and easy to make new ones as needed. In a way, it felt more exciting seeing a new class back then, being that it happened pretty rarely. Also, I don't like how all the ships are now a dingy grey and poorly-lit.
The Galaxy-class, more to the point USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D may feel like home, but I would be plenty happy on a Nebula-class ship. The Galaxy-class is beautiful to me, but the Nebula-class appears more function over form. I tend to like well rounded vehicles in real life, be it land, sea, air or space, and they don't have to be pretty. I also have this weird thing for liking so called "glass cannon" vehicles as well, stuff that is light weight, can hit hard and move quickly, but can't take a beating.
Hot take I plan to use in my "Star Trek Adventures: Captain's Log" - the USS Enterprise and the other Galaxy- and Nebula-classes were meant to explore a new spiral arm of the galaxy in the 2360's, but the reemergence Romulan Star Empire forced Starfleet to pull the fleet back. The "primary hulls" of the Galaxy-class were meant to be left on planets to serve as the starts of new colonies/research stations, this is why they have "battle bridges", which are actually the primary bridge, and the bridge on the saucer is supposed to be administrative offices for operations center for the new colonies. Following the exploration fleet of Galaxy-classes, the Nebula-classes following with new saucers full of colonists and smaller colony modules (instead of the AWACs/weapons pods/nacelles) full of additional supplies. Picard was supposed to be the leader of the new colony (which is why his ready room was in the saucer), while Riker had command of the ship, but with the way that events turned out, Picard remained in command with Riker as his executive officer. The crew of the NCC-1701-D were lost at Veridian 3 when the Nexus washed over them (the events of the other movies and Worf joining DS9 all occur within the Nexus). At the dawn of a new millennium, the new Ross- and Sutherland-class starships resume the project that had been abandoned 30 years earlier.
I remember seeing this design for the first time in the TNG episode, "The Wounded". I always found the Enterprise-D to look a little weird, but I immediately liked the USS Phoenix. I remember trying to draw it when I was bored in class. Maybe its the contrarian in me but I wanted to command this ship because it was different from the Enterprise.
I read years ago, before the internet, that the drive section of the nebula was ment to have no saucer and be stationed at starbases incase a galaxy saucer needed to pickup… it wasn’t until later when they were given their own saucer and made their own dedicated ship.
No it's the better Galaxy class, ready for business rather than having it's neck and nose up in the air with the look at me attitude, from first seeing the round AWACs and then the better looking sleek triangle weapons pod version it is an example of successful kit bashing unlike the extra small nacelles variant which is an example of not what to do when kit bashing, I would be honoured to be in great company with these mentioned commander's of this class, Nebula was quite the hero ship for me being a quiet hero! in Redemption II such a great looking ship
It's a silly thing, but I remain salty to this day that the Eaglemoss Nebulas were all based on the VOY/DS9 CG model rather than the physical model. The shape of the secondary hull is wrong, and there are too many windows on the saucer. It's even worse that they use that version for the Phoenix, which makes for a version of the ship that absolutely doesn't match up with what was on-screen, with the newer style of hull but that old AWACS style dorsal superstructure.
This thing confuses me. Is the Miranda and Nebula are more compact, less expensive, and more versatile, why keep making the Galaxy/Constitution types? What's their advantage?
As someone who’s a professional model builder, technically is not a kitbash It’s a conversation. Kitbashing is taking a random interesting model kit piece and using it for something it wasn’t intended for, such as using a 1/35 lower half of a Sherman tank turret to add detail interest to the arse end of an X-wing studio model. It doesn’t have to even be a model kit piece. Look for the lemon squeezer on the wall of the hanger for Thunderbird 1. Though the original model did use a very futuristic looking TV areal for the sensor pod. That’s technically kitbashing.
Despite being for all intents and purposes the nebula class being a galaxy class, apparently they only have a bridge smaller than a galaxy class battle bridge. Also in the case of the Prometheus, apparently doesn’t even need a Captain as it was either under the command of a civilian or a dumbass LT. Commander. Also apparently didn’t need a Chief Engineer, Chief Medical Officer or the virtual hospital a Galaxy class should have. The Sutherland also didn’t need a Captain either as apparent being assigned to another dumbass LT. Commander was also fine. Now given all of that, we see the Cerritos, a virtual nobody in the fleet under the command of a full Captain, with a full commander as first officer and full commander as the chief medical officer and a Lt. commander in charge of engineering.
Is it really though? It’s not like the Miranda where it’s just a saucer. It has the Galaxy Saucer and Startdrive section. The only thing missing is the neck.
I hate the "budget" reference. Aside from the neck, it's ALL THE SAME PARTS, with a new additional part. So, unless the neck is somehow worth half of the Galaxy's value, the concept is absurd.
If it doesn't have the saucer separation the cost savings might not be insignificant. You don't need to perform maintenance on all those moving parts, you don't need to maintain a separate network of systems wired to a second bridge, and you don't need to build in a bunch of batteries to allow the saucer to maneuver/fight. Admittedly the rest is probably the same savings you'd get with building any other smaller ship, less quarters to maintain, less draw on the power etc.
the nebula was pretty much to replace the miranda class since the miranda was originally a patrol and logistics vessel basically what followed the constitution and later excelsior classes when the follow up science or colony ships arrived in a system, once the nebula class came about to fill that function the miranda was delegated to cargo, personel transport and starbase support with the nebula being the frontier logistics, patrol and cargo support.
I'd rather command something like a Nova class configured as a rapid respone/strike craft, question I do have about the Galaxy and Nebula classes is if the saucer sections where cross compatible with their engineering sections
The best thing about the nebula class was that it finally meant that TNG had gotten a budget increase to have something other than the galaxy that wasnt 100 years old
@MrSheckstr yeah up till then it was the 5 Galaxy Glass and like 500 Excelsior Class making up the fleet.
@@tonyjackson4078 and 4200 MIRANDA
@@tonyjackson4078 Don't forget the death trap class.
@@tonyjackson4078 And however many aging Constellations they had.
@@VikCachat is that the oberths or the mirandas ?
Seriously i wish there was a way to do a rewrite of TNG…. Maybe a pre farpoint era where we would see the galaxy era variants we saw at Best of Both worlds …. Nebula, springFields , etc…. Have them all have the horseshoe themed bridge…. But with subtle variations to show them to be a lower class of vessel… have the two seat command area layout of the voyager…. A single command seat but with an XO station up on the upper tier have a very cramped layout akin to TOS constitution but with TNG styling …
I always preferred the Nebula Class over the Galaxy BUT only because it looked like a more beefy ship with engines and such more tucked in for a smaller target and more protection from above. Always looked like more of a combat ship than the Galaxy Class.
@@yupmathumb Agreed 💯
Well said, my thoughts exactly. The Nebula does appear to be more of a combat vessel. I never noticed the size of the nacelles, good call.
In universe, the nacelles placed outside the body is said to allow better speeds. But closer in does mean they're better protected. That's also why they have ramscoops in front of the nacelle, so any steller matter captured goes straight to the engine.
Notice how the Klingons didn't put ramscoops at the front of the nacelles though. Instead, in front of their engines, they had disruptors. Because that's what they prioritize.
It's certainly a more efficient-looking class. Same saucer, same secondary hull, same nacelles, but without the nacelle struts and neck of the Galaxy, and with an attached pod. A tighter profile, more compact, like a Galaxy stripped down of the luxuries.
@@Morhekspace isn't really at a premium in space though
The Nebula always made me think of a project galaxy reimagining of the Miranda. Probably what they were going for I’m sure.
thats exactly what it looks like to me.
I’ve always thought of the Nebula v Galaxy like the Miranda v Constitution
I am a simple man, I see a nebula-class in the thumbnail, and I click on it.
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I always liked this class for its implied ability to completely swap the mission module. It communicates a known need to move a massive bay to a site, full of science or torpedoes as needed.
Apparently starship necks are super expensive.
Also supervulnerable hence why the Sovereign-class didn't have much of a neck.
@@zerrodefex Or Voyager
The economics of the 24th century are quite different. Money doesn't exist in the federation. The neck of the galaxy class represents an extraneous cost of time and resources, as well as a potential vulnerability by providing a larger target. The Nebula is more compact and has a more centralized mass, allowing it to be faster and more maneuverable at impulse speeds. The Nebula is 85% of the Galaxy with 95% of the capability. It's what you get when the engineers and field testers cut out the stuff that doesn't work and simplify the design for mass production. With the addition of mission pods on the back, which could be almost anything, the Nebula far surpasses the galaxy's capability.
i love the nebula class especially the Sutherland class refit both are very solid classes😊
The best thing I like about this ship is the fact that the main shields are generated as an almost perfect sphere around the ship. This would prevent there from being any week points for enemies to target. It also would allow the warp field to also be a perfect sphere, saving power while improving speed and maneuverability. The weapons layout gives it a better 360 degrees of targeting as well.
I always thought that the reason that the Borg built either cubical ships or spherical ships was for those very reasons - shields and warp drive field being a perfect sphere, while they can fire in all directions with equal amounts of firepower and types of weapons. In the Voyager Episode, "Scorpion", we see the Borg ships spinning on their central axis when they are fighting Species 8472. With each side firing and taking hits, then rotating so a new set of weapons can fire back, while also rotating the main shields so that they aren't hit in the same area multiple times. Knowing the Borg, by the time one section of ship had finished rotating back to a firing position, they would have repaired any damage and regenerated the shields in that area. We don't ever see them fight like that again, but they really never came up to an enemy that could take their ships out so easily.
The main shuttlebay for the Nebula cracks me up, though. Anyone flying in or out of it will have to steer around that giant pylon.
I think it's implied that an elongated rather than spherical warp field is better for higher speeds, at least with the Federation's technology
I love the Sutherland refit and would definitely take command of that ship.
she may be the budget version but shes still a beast in her own right :)
The Galaxy class is a really Amazing Starship but I'd totally love to Command a Nebula class it's definitely in my favourite top 10 Starships
I’d rather command a Nebula Class, they’re my favourite starship. It’s missing the Galaxy’s neck but with the rear pylon and module on the back I’d say the nebula is actually bigger.
She might be the little sister of the Galaxy, but that's one HUGE little sister. The Enbula's internal space is almost as large as the also huge Galaxy class. I always hoped for a TNG episode in which the Enterprises saucer and stardrive were seperated and a Nebula stardrive had to fetch her saucer in order to bring it home. It would have been a treat to see the Enterprise in Nebula configuration at one time. But alas.
TNG era starships just look the best.
Second thought…. Its has always been my head canon that the nebula class thst data was commanding was being operated out of a auxilary bridge station as the main bridge was being refitted and updated while in drydock
Yeah. Way too cramped and uncomfortable for a supposedly near top of the line ship.
@@Th0ughtf0rce yeah i have an entire progression of how Each class in the galaxy era has a bridge layout a little bit “smaller” but with the TNG style … with fewer and command seating , first no bench seats, then a voyager style, then just a captain seat, until you end up with a TNG version of the TOS enterprise layout …. In that same vein the commanding officer of ships are reduced in rank in the same way regular navy vessels are bot always captain by someone with captain rank…
I would prefer a Nebula Class with a weapons pod for more torpedo launchers and higher amount of torpedoes !
The basics of a slightly smaller but still powerful starship with the ability to fit modular mission pods is a tactically sound idea and fits the universe well. The fact that it had a crew of less than 800 signifies that this ship at least doesn't suffer from the stupid idea of having civilians running around on a ship that could well end up on defensive duties unlike its larger sister class (I have no idea what Gene Rodeenberry was thinking on that one).
That's easy, the Galaxy-class was designed for 20 year long deep space exploration missions far outside of communications range with the Federation/Starfleet.
I always liked that fan made Ambassador version called the Apollo Class.
I would be happy to Captain a ship like this, might not be a hero ship but she still is front line starship that holds its own.
The CG Nebula made for DS9/VOY is a kitbash of a Galaxy and has a Galaxy secondary hull instead of the proper custom Nebula deflector dish and shape. Fan-made CG ships have corrected this but Eaglemoss used the Bonchune-sourced version for their USS Phoenix's main hull, so it's incorrect.
I absolutely hated the nebula class at first but over the years I became really fond of it.
I don't understand why the Nebula would be the "buget" Galaxy class when, if anything, it's a larger ship. It's more compact but it clearly has more mass. The primary and secondary hulls are the same size, but the Nebula has the additional space afforded by the top module. I felt the same way about the Miranda, it was clearly larger and beefier than the Constitution but everyone calls it a "light" cruiser. It feels a lot like that old meme of the two glasses, one shorter and wider, the other taller and thinner, they hold the same amount of water but when you ask the kid which holds more water they point to the taller glass.
The Miranda lacks the secondary hull and the rollbar is smaller than the Constitution II secondary hull.
@@ncv-eu4rj Forget the rollbar, the Miranda has that boxy rear-hull portion added on to the back of the saucer, that more than makes up for the lack of the secondary hull. It's flatter, but much wider, giving the Miranda more interior space than the Constitution.
I always thought the Nebula was the coolest ship, it looked much more sturdy, it also became the ship of Starfleet Engineering Corp and best sci ship in many combat ST games.
Those tiny extra 2 nacelles looks like the starship was born with a parasitic twin.
I would rather command a Nebula class for the mission profile it was used for. Galaxy classes tend to go on long-duration deep space missions, while the Nebula tend to stay more within UFP space for logistical missions. Both have similar internal space and amenities, so there would be no discernible loss of comfort, but you would get to rotate home more often.
"kit bashing" is basically like what happened in WW2 when they would take the same parts and try to reconfigure them into something new by adding or removing parts.
My Farragut conversion kit just arrived yesteday, which means I am finally able to build one of those. What a coincidence that this video just came out.
Oooh we’d love to see it
With the triangular module, isn’t it likely the Nebula’s mass was greater than the Galaxy or the same? Seems highly unlikely it was less. Much like the Miranda is actually bigger than the Constitution (credit YT: EC Henry). More generally, I’m not sure what the canonical Nebula looks like - as it’s different in most outings. The cgi model has different proportions, the physical different weapons (even between episodes) and the ST: Online version has impulse engines!
You forgot to mention the USS Endeavor NCC-71805 which was the only ship to survive Wolf 359 and was mentioned in VOY with an entry from Captain Amasov's log about the battle. And it again appeared in First Contact as part of the Fleet. It was also part of Picard's blockade fleet during the Klingon Civil war.
And Hell yes Picard RUINED the F and Titan-A/ Enterprise-G. The F never really got a chance to shine and renaming the Titan to the G was a HUGE disservice to the Titan. Not to mention now there are only 2 Enterprise left between the G and the J that will have to span 200 years or so. So the H and I will have to have VERY long service careers.
I wouldn't call it a budget Galaxy I mean it's got all the same parts except for the neck. Even if those parts are a bit smaller? So it's going to have most of the manufacturing costs anyway. I think it's designed as more dictated by the role it is supposed to play. Now if you say the budget part is from internals, I guess I have no information to refute that. Maybe half of it is empty where the Galaxy class is full of expensive equipment. 🤷
I always like to believe that different/shared bridge sets for ships are because the bridge itself is a exchangeable module. Each one a different specialization/optimization for the missions type that ship would be performing. The Galaxy bridge for example is extravagant because it will be the first thing other civilizations will see during First Contact.
Budget ? How dare you ? 😂 i read somewhere she cost 10 percent less than the galaxy, but she was the most produced federation starship of the 24th century,
I daresay that source is plainly wrong. They're probably the same price or slightly more if the pods are included. Obviously, not the most produced as well. Unless we're talking about the Birth of the Federation game where spamming upgraded Nebulas is a viable strategy. 😂
@Th0ughtf0rand ce the galaxy is bigger, the pods are mass produced or mission specific, I would see that makes them cheaper not more expensive,
The nebula was in service for around a decade before the galaxy, and they were slowly produced,
They were originally going to make 12 , but only made 6 , then they didn't start to mass produce until the dominion war , they were making them in large numbers before during and after tbg , they were modernising the fleet,
Nebula is launched in the 2360s , and is in production still around nemesis, ( replacements from the vast loses in the war ) galaxy were being replaced with Ross class ,
When the paused galaxy, after the yomato, they continued with nebula and made better versions of them , and they waited until the galaxy refit to mass produce, and they made a large number of galaxy battleship/ carrier's during the war ,
But if it's not nebula and not galaxy, which ship was most produced then ? In your opinion ?
A Nebula Class has the distinction of being the only ship to survive the battle of Wolf 529, even if was only due to blind luck.
actuallly an Excelsior did survive but that was due to Q
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In my mind, the Nebula Primary was scaled down 10% from the Galaxy, thus making it 3/4 the size. This would make it a much different ship, but the size would not be disintguishable on screen.
The encyclopedia and many online sources state that the Nebula was slightly smaller than the Galaxy, contrary to real life and on-screen evidence. The only possible explanation is that they're talking about the stock model (i.e., without any pod attached).
I always loved the nebula it seems like the real workhorse ship of starfleet, great video would love to see you do a video on the Normandy sr2 from mass effect
Always liked the Nebbys. Compact designs always feel 'smarter' to me.
I would take a Nebula over a Galaxy all day long.
I also like to think that Data commanded Sutherland from an auxiliary bridge/battle bridge. The ship was undergoing significant work, and the main bridge may have been unusable.
I've noticed ships with Japanese names in Star Trek tend to get blown up... Honshu, Kyushu, and ofc the Yamato
If I want to command a starship it would even be a avenger or Columbia class in the Galaxy style...
I’ve never really considered the Nebula as a budget Galaxy class or a little sister, more of an equivalent to the Galaxy, but in a reconfigured way. The Nebula’s interior volume isn’t far off while the ship’s components, many of which are the same as the Galaxy’s, are arranged in way to give it more compact dimensions. And while it didn’t have a neck connecting the saucer to the engineering hull, it had a neck/pylon on which the rear modules were located. I always preferred the Nebula while the Sutherland looks fabulous IMO.
Was there ever a Miranda/Nebula equivalent of the Excelsior and Ambassador classes? Or even the Ross?
No, the Nebula is not a budget Galaxy Class. *_The Galaxy Class is a top-trim, premium Nebula Class._*
Aesthetically and for mission role it was a great design and update of the Miranda. The only problem I had with it was that they never used a lot of the internal volume on the Enterprise which was just empty and not fitted out, so it implies Starfleet was similarly mass producing all these Nebulas with an inefficent use of internal volume. Perhaps thats why the mission pod wasnt kept on succeeding ship classes, it was unnecessary as there was enough spare internal volume.
It took me almost decades to realize, that the Nebula is to the Galaxy, what the Miranda-Class was to the Constitution class a "squat" version of the starship.
I always thought the torpedo launcher looked like a giant solar panel
Thank you for not making that tired ass Knight Rider joke.
A deleted scene from "The Wounded" has Maxwell saying he always wanted a Galaxy class ship. That indicates even some captains of Nebula class ships would prefer the Galaxy
Never heard of this scene. Is it uploaded somewhere?
I remember reading that it was originally a Saucer ferry
Always liked this ship what I wanted to see was it carrying another smaller ship on top of it though.
If only they had the time do so, the modelmakers could have made the Nebula into a Galaxy-kitbash of a precursor Saber-class instead.
If the saucer of the Nebula is the same size as that of the Galaxy, that means the Nebula has more mass than the Galaxy... not exactly an indication of a "budget version."
I liked these ships. People look at them like a second, but I thought they were cool
I like to think that the constitution class or galaxy class long neck platforms are starfleets first generation production model for primium early model tech.
As technologies are refined and standardised that technology finds itself fitted into older models and specially designed more economic short neck designs like the miranda or the nebula.
Though i doubt that the franchise itself holds to such rule in its world building, instead favouring a "that look neat" mentality 🤔
Always loved the Nebula since I was a kid, especially when I saw it in Generations in the theater.
I've had many models of it over the years from Eaglemoss to the old Micromachines model. Loved it as a ship in games, too. Especially Star Trek Armada made it really cool with its shield draining ability. It will alway be one of the best star trek ship designs ever, I think.
Nebula is my favorite class... but galaxy is right with it.
I think its more maneuverable, but the galaxy class has the saucer separation to make it more maneuverable.
Nebula is heavier than the stardrive section of the galaxy, and can use all the power available.
It has its pluses and the galaxy has its pluses.
It felt like that flyby scene from Generations had some screwy scaling because I don't think that the Oberth-class is THAT small. It looked like a runabout flying past that Nebula-class. Also we know it's a kitbash but one wonders in canon what the justification was for having that wedge pod pylon right in line with the approach to the main shuttlebay on the saucer, talk about an awkward flight path. At least the USS Phoenix had twin pylons giving a clear path but still seems unnecessarily awkward.
To me, I seems like the Nebula class is just as big and capable as the Galaxy class. While it may look a bit like a 24th century version of the Miranda class, it still kept the secondary hull and added a thing up top. But just like how the Miranda's adaptability and modularity allowed it to far outlive the much more difficult to update Constitution Class, I wouldn't be surprised if the Nebula outlived the Galaxy for the same reasons.
I kind of miss the use of physical models. Sure, it's great having so many different designs now, but they feel more throwaway, since it's relatively cheap and easy to make new ones as needed. In a way, it felt more exciting seeing a new class back then, being that it happened pretty rarely. Also, I don't like how all the ships are now a dingy grey and poorly-lit.
Nebula, Miranda, Luna and Nova. My favs.
The Galaxy-class, more to the point USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D may feel like home, but I would be plenty happy on a Nebula-class ship. The Galaxy-class is beautiful to me, but the Nebula-class appears more function over form. I tend to like well rounded vehicles in real life, be it land, sea, air or space, and they don't have to be pretty. I also have this weird thing for liking so called "glass cannon" vehicles as well, stuff that is light weight, can hit hard and move quickly, but can't take a beating.
My favorite TNG ship
5:00 In this chapter I remember that the Nebula class ship can turn at warp speed.
during the battle of wolf 359 there was rumor that there was one ship that survived the borg attack and it was a nebula class
I prefer the Nebula, it feels more compact, this the shields can be tighter.
Nebula Class reminds me of the Miranda class
Hot take I plan to use in my "Star Trek Adventures: Captain's Log" - the USS Enterprise and the other Galaxy- and Nebula-classes were meant to explore a new spiral arm of the galaxy in the 2360's, but the reemergence Romulan Star Empire forced Starfleet to pull the fleet back. The "primary hulls" of the Galaxy-class were meant to be left on planets to serve as the starts of new colonies/research stations, this is why they have "battle bridges", which are actually the primary bridge, and the bridge on the saucer is supposed to be administrative offices for operations center for the new colonies. Following the exploration fleet of Galaxy-classes, the Nebula-classes following with new saucers full of colonists and smaller colony modules (instead of the AWACs/weapons pods/nacelles) full of additional supplies.
Picard was supposed to be the leader of the new colony (which is why his ready room was in the saucer), while Riker had command of the ship, but with the way that events turned out, Picard remained in command with Riker as his executive officer.
The crew of the NCC-1701-D were lost at Veridian 3 when the Nexus washed over them (the events of the other movies and Worf joining DS9 all occur within the Nexus).
At the dawn of a new millennium, the new Ross- and Sutherland-class starships resume the project that had been abandoned 30 years earlier.
I always thought the Lexington and the Melbourne were excelsiors
What are people's theories on why Miles Obrien is the most important person in human history. Reddit seems to believe he saved the Prophets.
I remember seeing this design for the first time in the TNG episode, "The Wounded". I always found the Enterprise-D to look a little weird, but I immediately liked the USS Phoenix. I remember trying to draw it when I was bored in class. Maybe its the contrarian in me but I wanted to command this ship because it was different from the Enterprise.
Where are the impulse engines on the nebula?
I read years ago, before the internet, that the drive section of the nebula was ment to have no saucer and be stationed at starbases incase a galaxy saucer needed to pickup… it wasn’t until later when they were given their own saucer and made their own dedicated ship.
You forgot to mention that it has no visible sub-light engines.
No it's the better Galaxy class, ready for business rather than having it's neck and nose up in the air with the look at me attitude, from first seeing the round AWACs and then the better looking sleek triangle weapons pod version it is an example of successful kit bashing unlike the extra small nacelles variant which is an example of not what to do when kit bashing, I would be honoured to be in great company with these mentioned commander's of this class, Nebula was quite the hero ship for me being a quiet hero! in Redemption II such a great looking ship
Hands down command a Nebula class, i did in a ST:tng RPG
It's a silly thing, but I remain salty to this day that the Eaglemoss Nebulas were all based on the VOY/DS9 CG model rather than the physical model. The shape of the secondary hull is wrong, and there are too many windows on the saucer. It's even worse that they use that version for the Phoenix, which makes for a version of the ship that absolutely doesn't match up with what was on-screen, with the newer style of hull but that old AWACS style dorsal superstructure.
I alays loved the Nebula class. They just look sleek. In STO they are power houses and are very fun to fly.
Very fun!
This is my favorite class starship I love the design and I got in my star trek ship collection
I think the stories of the cardassian wars need their own series.
I'd rather command a Nebula class. It's more configurable, and just as luxurious.
I'd rather command a nebula for the varied missions and less of the dangerous front line roles galaxy class were often assigned.
This thing confuses me. Is the Miranda and Nebula are more compact, less expensive, and more versatile, why keep making the Galaxy/Constitution types? What's their advantage?
As someone who’s a professional model builder, technically is not a kitbash It’s a conversation. Kitbashing is taking a random interesting model kit piece and using it for something it wasn’t intended for, such as using a 1/35 lower half of a Sherman tank turret to add detail interest to the arse end of an X-wing studio model. It doesn’t have to even be a model kit piece. Look for the lemon squeezer on the wall of the hanger for Thunderbird 1. Though the original model did use a very futuristic looking TV areal for the sensor pod. That’s technically kitbashing.
I had to watch this episode twice strictly because you said Miles O'Brien is the most important human ever.
I'd rather have a nebula. You can hot-swap that back module to suit whatever mission you needed!
Despite being for all intents and purposes the nebula class being a galaxy class, apparently they only have a bridge smaller than a galaxy class battle bridge. Also in the case of the Prometheus, apparently doesn’t even need a Captain as it was either under the command of a civilian or a dumbass LT. Commander. Also apparently didn’t need a Chief Engineer, Chief Medical Officer or the virtual hospital a Galaxy class should have.
The Sutherland also didn’t need a Captain either as apparent being assigned to another dumbass LT. Commander was also fine.
Now given all of that, we see the Cerritos, a virtual nobody in the fleet under the command of a full Captain, with a full commander as first officer and full commander as the chief medical officer and a Lt. commander in charge of engineering.
Is it really though? It’s not like the Miranda where it’s just a saucer. It has the Galaxy Saucer and Startdrive section. The only thing missing is the neck.
Nebula Class
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If had been TMP era it would’ve been the Miranda
I hate the "budget" reference. Aside from the neck, it's ALL THE SAME PARTS, with a new additional part. So, unless the neck is somehow worth half of the Galaxy's value, the concept is absurd.
If it doesn't have the saucer separation the cost savings might not be insignificant. You don't need to perform maintenance on all those moving parts, you don't need to maintain a separate network of systems wired to a second bridge, and you don't need to build in a bunch of batteries to allow the saucer to maneuver/fight.
Admittedly the rest is probably the same savings you'd get with building any other smaller ship, less quarters to maintain, less draw on the power etc.
the nebula was pretty much to replace the miranda class since the miranda was originally a patrol and logistics vessel basically what followed the constitution and later excelsior classes when the follow up science or colony ships arrived in a system, once the nebula class came about to fill that function the miranda was delegated to cargo, personel transport and starbase support with the nebula being the frontier logistics, patrol and cargo support.
I prefer the Nebula. Fewer weak spots and I do like the module idea.
100% ruined the F
@@augurseer 100%. An incredible, beautiful design thrown down the drain for nothing. A shame.
Nebula Class is a bad azz ship.
I'll take a Nebula class, please! I never really liked the Galaxy class.
Definitely would rather pilot the Nebula. I always thought the Galaxy was rather ugly.
TNG Reliant was always cool.
I'd rather command something like a Nova class configured as a rapid respone/strike craft, question I do have about the Galaxy and Nebula classes is if the saucer sections where cross compatible with their engineering sections
How could anything be a budget when money isn't used?
I always awaited to command either a nova or steamrunner class
Mirimac and monitor , us civil war , first iron clad warships , 1860s
Dominion War era Nebula anyday