I cannot understand, why the Enterprise F was tossed aside like that in ST: Picard. It is simply a disgrace. They should have let the Constitution stay dead and show the decommissioning of the Enterprise E, while the F being commissioned!
In my opinion JJ Abrams, Kurtzman, Bad Robot & Secret Hideout has ruined everything Star Trek since 2009. And even though Star Trek Online has taken many of those things either because they had to or wanted to, I would take any of their original content as canon over anything the JJ verse has brought us. The Odyssey class is a very pretty ship. While the winning sketch for 'Design the next Enterprise' had issues. Cryptic took that and really made a slick vessel. I didn't care for the duel neck at first, but it's really grown on me. It's criminal how they just retired it so they could shoe horn in the director's favorite Shangri-La class as the new Enterprise while simultaneously pooping all over the Titan.
@@Dracounguis hold on there son those remake star trek movies were fun because they admitted they were an alternate universe which ok thank you for owning it JJ. But STD is horrible and sucks prodigy is good picard season 3 is good I would have like to see the F re commissioned as the F and given to 7
@@Dracounguis Hold on just one second the 2009 Kelvin Enterprise is gorgeous! And the movie was pretty good , ok after that everything else sucked lol .
@@hawkstringfellow if 2009 had been 100% alternate universe, ok. _(And they had to be bullied into saying it was an alternate universe. They first started saying the Narada coming back changed ALL these things in the timeline.)_ But they had to dip their toes in the Prime universe too and damage it... the stupid star exploding taking out Romulus light years away, red matter just existing, all the things wrong with a Romulan mining ship taking out a dozen starships... Just so many things that make no sense.
I enjoyed season 3 of Picard but hated what they did to this ship and the tiny, underpowered ship that took the name Enterprise. Titan should've remained Titan. Enterprise is supposed to be the flagship, state of the art ship. Enterprise-G is definitely NOT the top of the line.
This mistreatment of the Enterprise F makes perfect sense for Picard season 3. The entire story arc is a self-indulgent mess, made so baby boomers can feel relevant and useful. "the young folks are too connected with each other and now they're all mindless drones!"..."we need the old guys again, they're the only ones who can save us and we should have listened to them all along!"..."all this change is actually bad, you see!". I'm honestly surprised Jonathan Frakes didn't just barrel the camera and say "these centennials don't have any work ethic." I mean they literally killed off THE NEXT GENERATION of the Enterprise just so they could replace it with a Constitution mark 3...a throwback model to what the viewer is supposed to feel is Starfleet's (read: Star Trek's) glory days.
Point of order: The comics aren't actually canon. In the event that somebody wants to do something onscreen that violates their continuity they'll just ignore them.
They could have make the Stargazer A the Hero ship of season 3. She was much better looking than the Titan A and she would have had a connection to Picard
Yes! We should have seen the E retired at Frontier Day. Then the F should have been introduced. But they just introduced the F to give fans a view of the ship and tossed it aside. This was a very bad move, IMO.
@@garrettbodwell61 It's gonna be pretty big too, nearly 11 inches long. It sucks that all of the ships in the collection will be "Nutrek" designs, I'd love to see some of the classics in this new scale, but I'll probably get this model and the Nu Stargazer, as that was one of the better designed ships.
I really wish we had seen more of this ship during Season 3 and not just in the last two episodes. Or hell even in Season 1 AND 3 would have been awesome.
I couldn't care less about the Enterprise-F in Picard in technology terms, but more narrative. The F should have been the E. That way you celebrate both TNG main ships by having the D come in and save the retiring E and then send them both to the museum. Then do the Titan renaming thing to F if you want. Matalas works backwards though from the Titan renaming and didn't want the E to overshadow the D's reappearance or have people wonder why it wasn't the main ship in the season, nor have to build more sets.
The neo-Constitution Enterprise G is too small and underpowered to be the Federation flagship! In my canon the Ent G can’t cut it as a flagship, and is reverted back to the Titan, with the Odyssey Enterprise F being refit and recommissioned.
one of my favorite ships in all of star trek but i am not a fan of how they treated the ship in canon i would be happier if they refited the f into the yorktown refit and i am looking forword to when fanhome produce a model in xl of the class
I'd ask for a science oriented Lexington sub variant as the canon refit. Make it similar but different so we can quickly tell the difference between the two refits.
It wouldn’t have worked in any way in Picard s³. It couldn't have replaced the Intrepid, because it would be unrealistic that the Titan could've escape such a ship. It couldnt have been given to Seven, because a Flagship requies a preeminent crew, not a new untested captain with zero seniority.
to me the ideal way for season 3 to go is yes retire the Enterprise E in frontier day. she gets messed up. and instead of an immediately F the D gets refitted to the Galaxy X to serve for a while as the fleet rebuilds. then have the F show up around the STO timeline
We got gipped with the Titan-A being renamed Enterprise-G it was just a cheap ass move. They should have made the Eclipse class from STO the official Enterprise-G. Starfleet could have had it built and up and running in a year time span. I like the Vortex animation idea of the Enterprise-F going after Picard instead of that other ship. It definitely would have been a hell of a turn around. The whole Titan-A being renamed to Enterprise-G.... it's similar to seeing the Enterprise-A at the end of Star Trek Beyond and we haven't gotten a 4th movie to where we could properly get more of it... or the way how Stargate Universe ended.....I HATE THAT A LOT! Sorry I'm ranting....lol.
Why does it have a hole in the middle if they wanted it to be tough? It was going so well as the continuation of the Sovereign design... then they pulled an Oberth. What is the purpose of this hole? It's just a big structural weakness.
The struts completely ruin the oddyssey for me. Spend a minute thinking about everything that would have to run between those two struts. It's absurd. Andto get from the middle back ofthe saucer to the middle top of the secondary hull. The turbolift would have to go sidewaysto the strut, down the strut and then back to the middle. It's one of those annoyances that i just can't unsee. i would adore this ship if the saucer connected to the seconday hull like we see from most other starfleet ships.
Star Blech: Puke-Hard isn't canon, so it may be safely dismissed by Star Trek fans as a VERY badly written holo-novel. Star Trek Online being a video game and itself non-canon, the point is moot.
Star Trek Pukehard Season 3 definetely ruined Enterprise legacy. With such an amazing ship such as Odyssey class Enterprise which is true meaning of Flagship, they replaced it with paltry pitiful excuse for a ship as Enterprise G....
I cannot understand, why the Enterprise F was tossed aside like that in ST: Picard. It is simply a disgrace. They should have let the Constitution stay dead and show the decommissioning of the Enterprise E, while the F being commissioned!
That's exactly what i've been thinking all this time
In my opinion JJ Abrams, Kurtzman, Bad Robot & Secret Hideout has ruined everything Star Trek since 2009. And even though Star Trek Online has taken many of those things either because they had to or wanted to, I would take any of their original content as canon over anything the JJ verse has brought us.
The Odyssey class is a very pretty ship. While the winning sketch for 'Design the next Enterprise' had issues. Cryptic took that and really made a slick vessel. I didn't care for the duel neck at first, but it's really grown on me. It's criminal how they just retired it so they could shoe horn in the director's favorite Shangri-La class as the new Enterprise while simultaneously pooping all over the Titan.
@@Dracounguis hold on there son those remake star trek movies were fun because they admitted they were an alternate universe which ok thank you for owning it JJ. But STD is horrible and sucks prodigy is good picard season 3 is good I would have like to see the F re commissioned as the F and given to 7
@@Dracounguis Hold on just one second the 2009 Kelvin Enterprise is gorgeous! And the movie was pretty good , ok after that everything else sucked lol .
@jamescrandall6380 no way , thst ship sucks
Agreed. Titan was done dirty twice over.
@@hawkstringfellow if 2009 had been 100% alternate universe, ok. _(And they had to be bullied into saying it was an alternate universe. They first started saying the Narada coming back changed ALL these things in the timeline.)_ But they had to dip their toes in the Prime universe too and damage it... the stupid star exploding taking out Romulus light years away, red matter just existing, all the things wrong with a Romulan mining ship taking out a dozen starships... Just so many things that make no sense.
I enjoyed season 3 of Picard but hated what they did to this ship and the tiny, underpowered ship that took the name Enterprise. Titan should've remained Titan. Enterprise is supposed to be the flagship, state of the art ship. Enterprise-G is definitely NOT the top of the line.
This mistreatment of the Enterprise F makes perfect sense for Picard season 3. The entire story arc is a self-indulgent mess, made so baby boomers can feel relevant and useful. "the young folks are too connected with each other and now they're all mindless drones!"..."we need the old guys again, they're the only ones who can save us and we should have listened to them all along!"..."all this change is actually bad, you see!". I'm honestly surprised Jonathan Frakes didn't just barrel the camera and say "these centennials don't have any work ethic."
I mean they literally killed off THE NEXT GENERATION of the Enterprise just so they could replace it with a Constitution mark 3...a throwback model to what the viewer is supposed to feel is Starfleet's (read: Star Trek's) glory days.
The Enterprise G should have been the Odyssey refit not the lame ass Neo constitution so disappointing!
Point of order: The comics aren't actually canon. In the event that somebody wants to do something onscreen that violates their continuity they'll just ignore them.
They could have make the Stargazer A the Hero ship of season 3. She was much better looking than the Titan A and she would have had a connection to Picard
Yes! We should have seen the E retired at Frontier Day. Then the F should have been introduced. But they just introduced the F to give fans a view of the ship and tossed it aside. This was a very bad move, IMO.
Fanhome is releasing a line of 20 starship models, and the Enterprise F is going to be issue 4 as an XL
@@garrettbodwell61 It's gonna be pretty big too, nearly 11 inches long. It sucks that all of the ships in the collection will be "Nutrek" designs, I'd love to see some of the classics in this new scale, but I'll probably get this model and the Nu Stargazer, as that was one of the better designed ships.
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I am looking forward to the USS Armstrong NCC-317856 and the NCC-1701-F XL version.
I really wish we had seen more of this ship during Season 3 and not just in the last two episodes. Or hell even in Season 1 AND 3 would have been awesome.
I couldn't care less about the Enterprise-F in Picard in technology terms, but more narrative. The F should have been the E. That way you celebrate both TNG main ships by having the D come in and save the retiring E and then send them both to the museum. Then do the Titan renaming thing to F if you want. Matalas works backwards though from the Titan renaming and didn't want the E to overshadow the D's reappearance or have people wonder why it wasn't the main ship in the season, nor have to build more sets.
The neo-Constitution Enterprise G is too small and underpowered to be the Federation flagship!
In my canon the Ent G can’t cut it as a flagship, and is reverted back to the Titan, with the Odyssey Enterprise F being refit and recommissioned.
one of my favorite ships in all of star trek but i am not a fan of how they treated the ship in canon i would be happier if they refited the f into the yorktown refit and i am looking forword to when fanhome produce a model in xl of the class
I'd ask for a science oriented Lexington sub variant as the canon refit. Make it similar but different so we can quickly tell the difference between the two refits.
It wouldn’t have worked in any way in Picard s³.
It couldn't have replaced the Intrepid, because it would be unrealistic that the Titan could've escape such a ship.
It couldnt have been given to Seven, because a Flagship requies a preeminent crew, not a new untested captain with zero seniority.
to me the ideal way for season 3 to go is yes retire the Enterprise E in frontier day. she gets messed up. and instead of an immediately F the D gets refitted to the Galaxy X to serve for a while as the fleet rebuilds. then have the F show up around the STO timeline
We got gipped with the Titan-A being renamed Enterprise-G it was just a cheap ass move. They should have made the Eclipse class from STO the official Enterprise-G. Starfleet could have had it built and up and running in a year time span.
I like the Vortex animation idea of the Enterprise-F going after Picard instead of that other ship. It definitely would have been a hell of a turn around. The whole Titan-A being renamed to Enterprise-G.... it's similar to seeing the Enterprise-A at the end of Star Trek Beyond and we haven't gotten a 4th movie to where we could properly get more of it... or the way how Stargate Universe ended.....I HATE THAT A LOT! Sorry I'm ranting....lol.
Hey man, I'm just happy it's canon.
I fell in love with Oddysy moment she came out in STO (my first C store ship ever). How she was basterdised should be criminal.
Why does it have a hole in the middle if they wanted it to be tough? It was going so well as the continuation of the Sovereign design... then they pulled an Oberth. What is the purpose of this hole? It's just a big structural weakness.
The struts completely ruin the oddyssey for me. Spend a minute thinking about everything that would have to run between those two struts. It's absurd. Andto get from the middle back ofthe saucer to the middle top of the secondary hull. The turbolift would have to go sidewaysto the strut, down the strut and then back to the middle. It's one of those annoyances that i just can't unsee. i would adore this ship if the saucer connected to the seconday hull like we see from most other starfleet ships.
Star Blech: Puke-Hard isn't canon, so it may be safely dismissed by Star Trek fans as a VERY badly written holo-novel. Star Trek Online being a video game and itself non-canon, the point is moot.
Star Trek Pukehard Season 3 definetely ruined Enterprise legacy. With such an amazing ship such as Odyssey class Enterprise which is true meaning of Flagship, they replaced it with paltry pitiful excuse for a ship as Enterprise G....
I don't understand why they rentment 😮
I dislike hole in the middle and doesn't and it doesn't look good in profile
They should have remodeled the Enterprise-D and put a G on the hull.