Q&A general election special | The News Agents
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
- Lewis and Jon answer your questions on the Tory leadership, private schools, and downing pints. Plus much more.
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There are plenty of 16 and 17 year olds with far more political knowledge than some adults in their 40's and over
Just had this conversation with my 12 year-old son. He'll most likely get a vote in the next election after this one, but I've told that we'll be working on making sure he understands what the parties stand for. He doesn't have to vote the same way as I do, I just want to make sure he's made a considered decision.
According to Sopel, nobody in Costa Rica or Iceland should ever vote since they have no army. Spurious, arbitrary reasoning for denying the extension of the franchise.
Austria has votes at 16, PR and still suffers from a right-led government. Not sure why so many are afraid of a change that would only shift 1 or 2 seats at the absolute most.
Kids very idealistic too. I was a Green Party fan in my teens but became a national conservative by early 20's
@@jimwest7107 to be honest, post-internet that now applies to basically any age. We see middle aged and elderly people get radicalised into all sorts of things
Children are easily manipulated by peers and the media what to think
Well done Lewis - don't cry for the private schools, or the parents
Er, no. Populist politics of envy. Like fox hunting all over again
I’m pretty sure that our family income meant that we could accord for our kids to go to private school. We definitely decided not to do this for so many reasons and I’m very pleased that we did. This “charity” thing with private schools is such a nonsense.
Do you actually care whether state school kids are going to benefit from this? Or is it about hurting "the rich"?
@@YorickReturns why do private schools need a tax break?
@@lukesavage3067 Why do you need to take by force even more of other people's money? A "tax break" is simply stealing less from someone than you otherwise would. You're not doing the victim a favour.
If they’re old enough to pay tax and work they should be able to vote
8:58 "if you're 16, are you interested in fiscal policy, are you interested in monetary policy?" - mate, most 25 year olds don't care about monetary policy. Most 35 and 40 year olds don't understand monetary policy. 16 year olds aren't unique in this even if it's true.
Private nurseries pay VAT - why shouldn't private schools?
I agreed with most of what was said, but NOT about not bothering to go and vote. To my mind it is extremely disrespectful to the millions of our forefathers that have died, and made otther sacrifices to allow us to do so. A "None of the above" vote is at least honouring their memory.
Exactly!
Sick of whinny Tristram's crying about private education being taxed - if you can't afford it you don't get it. I'm sick of being told that by the Tories for the last 14 years, cant afford electricity, don't use it, cant afford food, by cheap food, eat less, work more hours. Just bore off, there are alternatives. As for places in state school - the numbers over the next few years are dropping so there will be spaces and if there aren't they will be created.
There's a difference between not being able to afford something because it is taxed and not being able to afford something because you just can't afford the actual cost of it.
That said, pretty much everything is much more expensive than it should be because of taxes and regulations, from food to housing. But whose fault is that, ultimately? For example, most voters want cheap housing for themselves, their friends and their family, but not for others. What we have now is the consequence of that attitude.
The government is massively in debt, and the debt keeps rising. Before you start bleating that the rich should pay more, go and look up what percentage of the income tax revenue is paid by the top 10% or the top 1%. As for the schools, it will only take 25% or more of children who would go to private school if not for the VAT to go to state school instead, for the policy to be revenue-negative. Do you actually care whether state school kids benefit from this policy? Or do you simply wish to harm "the rich", regardless of the consequences?
Actually, seriously, The History Agents would be a great additional playlist
First question from the Tory MP playbook aka Tom ! Word for word!
You guys are in DREAMLAND if you think Rishi is going to stay in Parliament on a temporary basis. After he loses, he’s off to Santa Monica-not San Francisco-where he has a home. Guys: his bags are already packed!
I could add to the question about the leader of the Opposition; what if (as is possible) the Tories end up with fewer seats than the Lib Dems? The answer of course is that Ed Davey would be leader of the Opposition and nobody would give a toss who becomes the Tory Leader.
I say gently, that the SNP are presently the third party - let's not assume too much. The Lib Dems could barely fill a bus.
Love you guys👏
Love the News Agents pod, great coverage in banter friendly concise points. Well done Jon and Lewis, smashing it guys. Sal, Manchester
Have those parents who have kids in private schools tried living within their means? Maybe less Coffee and avocado toast?
Private schools are obscene. Scandinavian model needed.
I live in Denmark, and a larger proportion of the population go to ‘private’ schools than in the US, although the fee structure is very different
@@J-wm4go Referring to Finland. Should have been more specific.
The elephant in the room is the home life, which matters far more than school. If we want real equality, we can't stop at taxing the private schools, or even abolishing the private schools. We have to abolish the whole idea of the private nuclear family. The fact that some children are given advantages by a supportive and nourishing home life that other children do not have, that is obscene, and it is far more consequential than the choice of school. The upbringing of children must be made a matter for the whole community. Not only would it bring true equality. It would also allow us to raise the country's fertility rate.
It’s astonishing that private schools don’t pay VAT on places I totally agree with the policy
Do you care whether it's revenue-positive or not? It would take only 25% of private school kids to transfer to state school as a result for the policy to become revenue-negative?
The real comparison for voting at 16: the legal age of consent is 16, that means that people are trusted to have children at 16. We can trust people to raise a human child, but not put a cross in a box?
I heard the parties get lists of who voted in each constituency, so they can work out the percentages from different areas and age group. If you don't vote, you are telling the parties that your area and age group is less important than the other ones. So spoiling your ballot can have a purpose.
Spoiling your ballot is not a waste of time at all. It is an active way of saying 'I'm interested in politics but don't like these options'. If you just don't vote, nobody can say why
A stain on your tutu is one way to ruin the ballet, I suppose.
Regarding Tarquin and Tilly's parents moaning about vat on school fees as suggested by tory MP work more hours or get a better job as Raphael McCle suggested to those struggling with costs of living.
If hypothetically such a couple were to do that and therefore be able to continue to pay the school fees, would you be happy for them? Or would you want to ramp up the tax until you break them? Is this policy really about benefiting state school kids?
At the rate they are going Ed Davey might be the official Leader of the Opposition. Sunak will be free to leg it
"Legging it" quite slowly on his teeny tiny legs? Nah, he'll take a private jet.
Population of California 39 million, not 27 million.
(so further reinforces Jon's point on US Senate seat disparity ND & SD vs. CA)
That was California's population in 1986 - makes you wonder how out of date the rest of Jon's facts are!
On the Libdems, their numbers don’t show up well in national polls for similar reasons to Plaid and SNP. They are not competitive in whole swathes of the UK but have a few hotbeds. Their 80/90s absorbing of protest vote is now shared with the latest version of the Reactionary-Far-Right-Loon party and the Greens
Parties are essential but obeying the whip when that whip is against the entire ethos of the party or its rank and file members is just cowardly careerism. Democracy first - then discipline.
Thanks Tom, how's about you stopping yourself from avoiding taxes and putting your kids in state school...then all the children can have a well funded education. Not just your own.
As someone who intents to spoil their ballot, your answers gave me food for thought. I genuinely believe that if everyone who doesn’t vote because they distrust the main parties - vs those who just don’t care about politics - spoiled their ballot, then those votes WOULD matter. Maybe I’m just naive.
Either way, Labour is going to win and I cannot stomach voting for them so maybe I’ll take your advice and just ‘not bother showing up’… though that doesn’t feel right either.
Thanks for the ep!
No, you're not being naive. If "none of the above" got more votes than any of the candidates, then serious questions would have to be asked. Whereas if people just don't bother voting???????
@@adamfrankowski2768 this is exactly my point! Show up - prove that you do care but that you simply just don’t see your views represented in the current system.
Also,there should be Offsted inspections!
These politiclly astute gentlement don't seem to know that 20 miles across the Channel, voters may register a _vote blanc_ (which is not the same as a _vote nul_ which is a spoiled paper). The _vote blanc_ is cast in a sealed envelope with no preference marked for any candidate. It is taken quite seriously in France . You don't need to go all the way to Australia as if to make exotic a practice that occurs on your own doorstep (relatively speaking).
Ed Davey will be willing to jump in as opposition leader
"very unique"" I keep wanting to channel President Bartlett on the subject of "very unique".
You are presuming that the Tories get enough seats to be the official opposition.
This was so interesting and engaging. Thank you 😊
I definitely think there should be a “None of the above” / “re-open nominations” option on ballot papers, and if that option wins, a new election held for that seat (whether council, MP, parish, etc.) with totally new candidates.
A prerequisite for the Tories ever being allowed to contend for power again is that they have measures in place to ensure sane, competent leadership.
Alas, as the leader of a Conservative majority Government would need to be a Conservative MP, it would seem that their ideological shift would permanently rule this out.
I think it’s SO interesting that UK political pundits are OBSESSED with the American political system. NO political pundit AT ALL in the U.S. is the least bit interested in UK politics.
The most recent example of a leader losing their seat but the party winning overall in a Westminster system is Christy Clark in Vancouver-Point Grey in 2013.
This duo come out with some great stats but need to follow Commonwealth politics more closely instead of the USA which in some ways has a very different set-up from our own.
There is no vat on private schools because they are charities. (That’s what is claimed). Are they charities?
If the private school pupils had to compete on a level playing field with the state school pupils perhaps the top jobs would be filled with the most talented and competent, not just people whose parents could afford to send them to private school. A net gain for society.
Oliver Dowden as the leader of the opposition! You would be as well to get any random character from the Muppet Show!
Boundary Commission is an interesting one. In a first past the post system, it's totally irrelevant - if you happen to want to vote Conservative but you live in a very strong Labour area your vote is pointless and not worth the same as a Conservative voter in a marginal. So it's a complete waste of time. Let the numbers be what they are, and adjust the MPs allowances for staff based on number of electorate so that MPs who end in bigger constituencies can hire more staff. IF we genuinely won't each vote to be weighted the same the only way is some kind of PR which has never been a popular want.
Excellent Pod, yesterday the first MRP arrived, has Sunak got one week to save his campaign before it all implodes?
A day late but not a moment too soon.
Party whips are one of the worst parts of politics
I wouldn't dismiss the Liberal Democrats too soon. They have some interesting policies but get extremely low air time to discuss them in the media. I think they're putting massive energy into the 40 seats or so, they believe the LibDems can win
Few people I know like the "maverick" because that throws Farage a bone, or Galloway...turds in the political pool.
Yes, but what about the late Frank Field?
Until now, Lewis's perspective, intelligence, and insight has been an asset to this podcast. But, not even halfway through this one and he's already off the rails (not even answering the question on independent schools, taking a nonsensical line on independent MPs ... seems not to like anyone being independent). Now he's talking about being uncertain how the Conservative party would elect another leader ... we've seen this numerous times in recent years, what's to be uncertain about! Signing off!
To be fair, the Chair of the 1922 Committee did seem to be able to make up the rules as he went along last time.
Prescott downing a pint is brilliant.
Stop The Tories "dot" vote. It's important to resist becoming complacent.
If 'working families' can't afford to send their children to private schools, maybe they should cancel their Netflix/Sky TV subscriptions, stop drinking £5 coffees, stop eating avocado on toast - and maybe consider getting a better-paid job.
Haha jeez not this old argument again. How do you know they are not allergic to avocado ?
Private education - always seems to be targeting just the "hard working families". Thats an insult to all of us.
The VAT cost panic is a cry wolf from those who are ideologically opposed to levelling up in the most fundamental way.
- and another thing -
It is a fact that the number of bursaries that are supposedly charitably handed out to the aspirational poor, is a self-serving necessity by these bastions of privilege. These schools rely on the bright bursary holders to boost the questionable educational attainment of the typical private school, while also skimming a percentage point or two off the exam performance of state schools. This is a grimy aspect that is rarely explored. Your thoughts, please, News Agents.
i’d be willing to reconsider the VAT question if the same private schools were instead to open their doors to those with significant learning difficulties, or traumas to deal with. Now that WOULD be a charitable act.
its a luxury , and as such should be taxed . Lets be fair if all private kids went ot state schools, pretty sure state schools wouldnt be as underfunded as they are.
My girlfriend went to a private school because she passed an entrance exam! If they allowed private schools to fund more state school pupils this might be a way of ‘leveling-down’?
@@user-bt8cz9nv4x My point exactly. She gets a big break, and the private school gets to smarten up their IQ coefficient. The truth is that outside of low class numbers and a convincing delivery of superiority, private education is not markedly better inn its teaching and learning. the teachers are more or less the same, and the knowledge and skills delivered is the same as state schools.
As with state schools, success has more to do with those who enter the doors -motivated, and attentive -than with any magic delivered within those walls. Value added -as is the phrase - is not huge in any event, if your pupils are keen. Bursaries are therefore self-selecting. The successful bursary holder treads boldly, like they’ve won the lottery, while the board of governors are rubbing their hands because these bright kids will counter any rich dolts who are fiddling in their pockets while thinking of their trust funds.
@@timcooper1841 They would be more underfunded because there would be more pupils!
As for this VAT policy, all it will take is for just 25% of private school pupils to switch to state school as a result, for the policy to become revenue-negative.
Personally, though, I'm not bothered. This country is heading towards dictatorship, and I refuse to breed slaves. If I did have a child, I would homeschool.
Does anyone know how I can ask a question to them? Not sure what the email address is
14:00 why then, if they are all like minded, do we need 700 of them?
If they can’t afford private schools maybe they should stop buying Costa coffees and cancel Netflix? 😂
Love this
Politics and all that guff aside, the real take away is that Jon has a stellar (and I mean capital 'S') hairline.
Starmer and his party is now a generation of vipers kind of used the title from a episode of Lewis but if the shoe fits 😂😂😂😂
Small violin for Jon having to be paid to stay up late while democracy happens 😅
Independent politicians have sway in political systems that have two chambers, like the US and Australia.
The UK has only one active legislative chamber plus an approving boys club in the Lords. So independence doesn’t work - you need the party machine to get re-elected.
Our democracy is broken.
Totally failed to answer the question on private school (how are state schools going to absorb these children?).
An assertion without evidence can be denied, without evidence.
They probably thought Tarquin’s suggestion that 30% of private school students would leave as being completely ridiculous. The problem is Tory liars pull any old stats from their backside and think everyone else is gullible enough to play along.
State school numbers are falling. In inner London, some primaries are closing. The Birth rate is only 1.5. so as a teacher I am quite glad as the increased numbers will keep me in a job for a bit longer.
I guarantee they’ll be nowhere near the amount leaving as people suggest, it’s scare mongering. I’d get rid of private schools and faith schools altogether.
Provide a shred of proof that students will drop out of the private school system. Private school fees have increased by 50% since 2000 and the private school student population has grown by 20%.
@@michellej5517 So, you're against the VAT policy then? The alleged purpose of the policy is to increase revenue for state schools. While it is debated whether this policy actually would raise revenue for state schools (because only 25% of private school pupils would need to transfer to state for the policy to become revenue-negative), it is not debatable that abolishing private schools would massively decrease revenue per pupil for state schools.
Isn’t it ‘militate’ not ‘mitigate’? Thanks for the opportunity to be a pedant on a Sunday…
“Why is no one talking about how controversial this private school policy is?”
Is the answer not self evident? 😅
Just make voting compulsory You can take a postal and vote none of the above.
Agree, Australia manages perfectly fine and Belgium is, well Belgium.
So in essence, dumb down the electoral offer and promote not voting.
Tom, first question is daft. You need to pay VAT
Agree about private schools completely soooo unsympathetic for syper rich who can pay for schools .... education shouldn't be monopolised
I have zero sympathy for people moaning about paying VAT on private education, none!, zero! Zippo!
20 min mark...you are assuming that the Tories will be the official opposition!
They could be almost efficiated!
First question is a posh manbaby crying about private school fees. Nationalise the failing private schools if the parents can't afford them any more.
whether you agree with the policy or not, you're not helping the case that it's 'ideologically driven'...
Yes, we must level down.
@@dominikclarke6545 All political decisions are ideologically motivated. It's just that this is the correct ideology for once, which we've become unaccustomed to in this country.
@@dominikclarke6545it is Tory ideology to tell others to work harder or get a better pod job if they can’t afford something. So surely this policy bridges the political divide and is something we can all get behind. If they can’t afford it they can cut down on the avocados.
U cannot “die for your country” at 16 or 17.
Yep, under-18s are never deployed and haven’t been for generations. Annoying to see this silly myth being spread by otherwise smart people.
It's not gonna be the top private schools that suffer, though. & their fees have gone up faster than inflation because their energy & fuel (minibuses) costs have gone up faster than inflation.
It's not a clear cut positive policy, as the questioner points out!
Lewis mentioned though that private school fees have risen by 50% since 2003, and if you look at the stats the student population has grown by 100,000 since then. Proof that increased costs don’t affect buying patterns of the super rich.
Tarquinius really weakened his own argument by trying to suggest that 30% of private school students would drop out and into state school - a ridiculous assertion by a ridiculous victim of a man.
@@fricozoid1 But if private schools are bad, then we should be glad of the predictions of such drop-outs.
@@YorickReturns who said they were bad? The argument is that a profit making organisation should pay VAT. Like everyone else has to. Makes sense that the Tories would want to shirk that - it’s in their nature.
@@fricozoid1 It is pretty standard on the left to think that private schools are bad. Some even want to abolish them, as do some commenters here. The VAT policy goes against that, if its intention really is merely to raise revenue.
Apparently, by the way, it would take only 1 in 4 private school kids to switch to state schools as a result, for this policy to become revenue-negative.
What do you mean?! The Tories love tax! They have to because they love spending. Look at what they've done over the past 14 years.
@@YorickReturns oh right, well let’s stick to arguing about what is actually said rather than what the bad imaginary people say in your head.
Okay, but you’ve read my original comment. Private school fees increased by 50% and the student population increase by 20%. Please make a logical argument as to how a 20% increase on fees would lead to a decrease in student population by 25% - it’s completely absurd. And if in fact you are only arguing that this policy will indeed be revenue-positive.
Come on, Tories love raising tax on normal people, but love shirking tax personally. If you are happy paying the highest tax burden since WW2 just so that some rich Tories can avoid paying tax on their children’s private education then you be my guest. You sound like a Tory politicians dream.
Currently there is no real difference between cons and Laps!
Because 15 votes might make a difference!
If you pay income tax, you should have a voice in how it's spent. For immigrants, you should have to been in the country 5 years.
militates against something, not mitigates. Classic error. Schoolboy stuff.
NO SOUND
you're on mute mate.
first ever News Agents vid I have down voted. Just saying. And that upsets me. Ok, just redeemed yourselves with the 04.20 section.
28:51 not if Andrew Feinstein has his way
Labour's only remotely progressive policies are the first ones immediately brought into dispute? Sheesh, what kind of people send questions into this thing!
Deeply offensive to the women and men of the Armed Forces who struggle to afford boarding school in order to maintain continuity of education whilst serving our country abroad. Suggesting that these men and women, of all ranks and backgrounds, deserve the same sympathy as Houthi terrorists is an absolute disgrace. Goodall should apologise to the women and men of the Armed Forces who protect his right to make such offensive remarks.
There are plenty of State run boarding schools for exactly that purpose. No apology needed.
@@AmareaMusic Not true sadly. 30 such schools, that accommodate a max of 4000 students, when there are 147,000 children of armed forces personnel who are, or will, be posted abroad. Important to have the facts correct here, and try and have a balanced, well mannered conversation.
Disagree with private schools, but Lewis:s picture just horribly stereotyped (as are comments like 'whining Tristrams'). How many rich oligarchs does he think are out there?! Neither reply, from Jon and Lewis, was worthy of them. Disappointing.
And both presenters fail to answer point one, aligning themselves to an ideological over practical issues
You two have great banter lol
2:46 why would you have no sympathy for people being starved and bombed by the Saudis for years?? I have more sympathy for the rebels than most
You make yourselves sound like a pair of clowns, over spoilt votes and electoral reform. Every person’s vote matters, and the fact that some feel so disgusted with the choice on offer that vote for any of them speaks volumes about our system and respect for our politics class.
Very disappointed in the both of you, you’re showing yourselves up to be lightweights.
Perhaps the vote should be restricted to those who pay income tax. Unfer 18 can join the services with parental permission.
You would be taking an enormous swathe of adults out of the franchise with that rule - most of whom still have to pay much more regressive council tax and VAT.
Only watching News Agent because Emily is not presenting , she is to bias to the left for me