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- Why is the Mail having a go at Nigel Farage and why is Nigel Farage having a go at Boris Johnson? These three are now firm 'frenemies' - calling each other 'morally repugnant' and calling in the lawyers...
What does it tell us about the power on the right of British politics? And is Farage now regretting his 'Putin friendly' comments?
Later, the Gambleshambles has reached the dizzy heights of second most damaging gaff for the election campaign amongst members of the public.
Why has the cut through been so strong?
And why hasn't anyone in Tory HQ managed this scandal better?
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It’s refreshing to discover that the Daily Mail finding itself in an unfamiliar position, defending democratic principles. This is new territory for the DM.
They are panicking as their beloved Tories go down the drain so lash out at Farage.
@@rogerhudson9732 Most of their comment sections appear to be dominated by Reform voters though. Or maybe Tufton St bots
Count off the Brexit lies. It will take awhile.
@@michaeladkins6You mean the anti Brexit lies.😂
@@terencespragg5708 which were what?
Johnson & the Tories kept London banking open for as many Russian oligarchs as they could, for as long as they could. Flying over there for photo ops & military aid that gives business to Tory donors was just opportunism that helped distract from his personal in Russian interference in our democracy.
When Johnson is feuding with Farage I'm rooting for the feud.
Remember everyone.
Wipeout to Help out.
Farage is not a Putin appologist, listen to his full reply to the start of hostilities in Ukraine.
@@georgetrotter1511 ?
In your gaffs segment you talked briefly about VAT on private schools as if it is a gaff, can we stop pretending that it's a gaff? Taxing private schools is a popular policy when you're not surrounded by people who were privately educated.
"It's a great question to be asking the public; who is the most morally repugnant, Nigel Farage or Boris Johnson?" Some of us have been asking that for YEARS, Mrs Maitlis!
We know. It is Boris.
Starmer: Accused = Guilty
(PMQs 19/04/23, 3 mins 15 secs)......
I will be voting Reform UK because the rest of them have betrayed us for the last 14 years including Labour who wanted longer lock downs and are in the pocket of the WEF, Greens and Lib Dems.
@Keithtopping248: Maitlis was at the BBC so she wasn't permitted to be cutting and opinionated.
It's farage because without him Boris wouldn't have gained power and we wouldn't have had Brexit. Cameron was weak!
Gamble Shambles
Can I ask that the next journey to interview a Tory figure, simply to ask if they placed a bet on the election?
When they say “No", the next question should be. "That was easy, wasn’t it? .... Why can’t Rishi ask the same question to his own candidates?"
Yet again you fall into the same trap of giving these people the oxygen of publicity on their terms bleating about being victims.
Why not highlight Farage's attendance/voting record in the European Parliament and focus on what he actually did when he was an elected representative? Or dedicate an episode comparing his time in the EP with Caroline Lucas?
Why is the relentless focus on immigration anything more than a smokescreen for domestic policy failures to which Farage has no answers (Brexit 2.0)?
👏👏👏👏
Fox news had initially the same reaction to Trump, but the base was on the cult leaders side and it capitulated. Expect the Mail to do the same.
Well done team for finally posting on Spotify and RUclips on the same day
I cant botify on spotify
There are better ways of living
Who said I won’t step in the way of Boris Johnson he’s the best for Brexit ? Come on Nigel you know this one
Not so long ago Farage admired Bojo 😅
I don't think so
He did, so did all the 2019 skip voters who backed him until he showed himself as spineless.
Nice bit of blue on blue. Long may it continue
Daily vile vs the Daily Bile. A private conversation.
True
If Rishi had dealt with Gamblegate within 24hrs it would have gone down as ‘poor Rishi, dealt a bad hand again’. Adds to people who already felt sorry for him after Truss, Boris & the internal wrangling of factions. Could say it’s not his fault, personally. But the way he’s dealt with it has made it a bigger issue than the bets. It’s now become about him & Tory standards, ethics, the tolerance of poor conduct, lack of clarity & process in not suspending etc. It’s about his leadership, authority, judgement, awareness of public mood etc.
This man's career should've ended with the disaster that is Brexit, which he pushed for over 20 years. That almost a fifth of voters are planning on voting for him is unreal.
Amazing isn't it. But since no one wants to talk about Brexit he's free to move onto his next targets. Appears to be human rights and heslthcare
He did retire, But now hes Back.
@@oojimmyflip Retire from what? He took a break from not working? Never done an honest day's work, that man.
Starmer: Accused = Guilty
(PMQs 19/04/23, 3 mins 15 secs)......
A lot of salty slugs.
Just because Boris was morally repugnant, doesn't mean that farage isn't
Fun fact, if you pronounce "Farage" in German, it sounds like "Verarsch", which means to cheat or scam somebody. Figures...
Boris should be locked up
Robot Sunak: The Gambling Commission is independent of the government and we are drafting emergency legislation to correct this grievous error.
Farage plays to Trump and MAGA thats where the cash is
Battle of the big beasts! Kong vs Godzilla 😱
Battle of the three incompetent arseholes.
Arrest boris today
Contrast with Starmer promptly withdrawing support from Lab candidate in Rochdale by-election.
I suspect that Farage now finds himself in something of a dilemma insofar as he is now required to present himself as a serious party leader aiming to provide a credible Oppostion in Parliament. This is uncharted territory for him now he is divorced from single-issue politics and he’s finding it hard going. Wheels may come off.
Farage is trump in British clothes. That’s the worst thing you could ever have.
And with British teeth - a standard stereotype the septics love to use and Nige fits it perfectly 😂
The investigation into the Gamble Shambles is (should be) two tier. Did they place a bet? Ask them directly. If they did, that is immoral and unethical and they should be suspended, even if, possibly, it is not a criminal offence, which will be determined in due course by the Gambling Commission / police. Simples!
Starmer has been prime ministerial, Sunak has been running to catch up with his too early election call.
Power struggle between the old Tory party and the new one (REFORM).
Just a case of which fash takes over.
Lewis, please breathe and let the other two in....
Not just Lewis, they all do it - a second to take a breath and Maitlis is in there.....
The average voter is politically illiterate so soundbites resonate if attached to xenophobic stereotypes.
Starmer: Accused = Guilty
(PMQs 19/04/23, 3 mins 15 secs)......
Below- average voter.
At least there are people like you and these 3, who can set the rest of us right. IDT.
If candidates are suspended are they allowed to run as conservatives? If not, they are down even more on their chances of returning MPs to parliament. I think he's delaying because he needs as many possibilities of returning conservative to parliament as possible.
Anyone else think Farage is always about to break out into a song about selling us a monorail?
Farage does well when he's preaching from his soapbox a pre written speech but the second anyone questions him in interviews it all falls apart and he becomes angry, agitated and dismissive. It's why he seems to avoid any platforms that doesn't allow him to pontificate to his hearts desire with out dissecting what he's actually saying. The second they do they become 'the enemy' because if you're not 100% with Farage you are against him in his eyes. He sees himself as the perpetual underdog and markets himself as such.
Playing victim, 👍
😂😂😂 love it. The Simpsons' parody of The Music Man.
ZERO SEATS FOR THE ELITES*****GO FOR IT TEAM
Great episode had it all
Love you guys! Brilliant show, as always.
The gambling commission is this year's Sue Gray 😂
Anyone with a brain knows that Corbyn would have been better than BJ
Nothings better than a bj. Nothing
Not by all that much.
@adamfrankowski2768 oh yeah OK
Starmer: Accused = Guilty
(PMQs 19/04/23, 3 mins 15 secs)......
Corbyn would have worked for peace in Ukraine. The media and establishment would have had to remove him
Forgotten Truss?
Who?
No, I'm just walking a bit funny today.
@@RichWoods23hahaha😂. Crushed nuts? No, lumbago.
Mail/Farage/Johnson - a triptych of moral repugnance.
Faridge is the very worst of humanity
Who's that?
@@AH-te5gs you
Starmer: Accused = Guilty
(PMQs 19/04/23, 3 mins 15 secs)......
@@NigelBlancmange clown
@@NigelBlancmangemeth ?
The Tory media getting themselves in a pickle !
How thieves fall out, hahaha 😂
tough situation for Farage, when he has to defend his bosses invasion of Ukraine
The CIA in 2014?
a few Kremlin dollars in his pocket.
Farage is a political ponce.
Sheep.
@@chirag1881 No mate, it was a democratic uprising
Farage with his brexit party caused our exit from the EU which was economic suicide for the uk, then when it all goes wrong he says it is a disaster because the Tories did it wrong. He is seen by Russia as an ally, then argues that Boris Johnson had the same opinion. The truth is neither of them are relevent to the UK in the 21st century.
The three of you are fxcking amazing !!!!! J adore
Morally repugnant? They cancel each other out. 😂😂😂
JS: "We are 3000 miles nearer to Ukraine than to the estern seaboard of the US ". Somebody badly needs a geography lesson!
The US east coast is mimimum 3100 miles from even Land's End. For UKR to be 3000 nearer would require UKR to be 100 miles away (rather than the 1500 it actually is).
I guess Jon thinks the US E.coast is 4500 miles from Britain (which would in reality be something like the Rocky Mountains or Seattle)!
*_P.S. I dun effed up. The derp is strong with me today. Thanks @MattNolanCustom!_*
He said the opposite of what you think he said.
@poneillG I think you should listen again to what was said. It’s not what you think was said.
@@GorgeDawes @6:26 "We are 3000 miles nearer to Ukraine than -to- the eastern seaboard of the US"
My Bad, Thanks to @MattNolanCustom I see my error! (tho something "different" not something "opposite" is what he said)
@@Lynnefromlyn @6:26 "We are 3000 miles nearer to Ukraine than -to- the eastern seaboard of the US"
My Bad, Thanks to @MattNolanCustom I see my error!
@@poneill65 JS did not say the second "to" in your quote
Thin 'tobacco stained' skin
Starmer: Accused = Guilty
(PMQs 19/04/23, 3 mins 15 secs)......
Let's Look At Some FACTS. NATO expansion needs to be understood and explained. In the context of Ukraine, Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal with security guarantees. Ukraine became the third-largest nuclear power in the world after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, holding about one third of the former Soviet nuclear weapons. When Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in the 1990s, it received security assurances from the United States, Russia, and the United Kingdom through the Budapest Memorandum signed in 1994. The key points of the security assurances provided in the Budapest Memorandum were: 1) Respect for Ukraine's independence and existing borders. 2) Refraining from the threat or use of force against Ukraine's territorial integrity. 3) Abstaining from economic coercion that could threaten Ukraine's sovereignty. 4) Providing assistance to Ukraine if it becomes a victim of aggression. 5) Not using nuclear weapons against Ukraine. The Ukraine agreement failed because the signatories to the agreement ignored their responsibility. Today we see the US and the UK standing up to the original agreement and Russia violated the agreement completely. So even at the agreement level, Ukraine was betrayed. The English version of the document used the term "assurances," while the Ukrainian and Russian versions used "guarantees". NATO is now the only option for Ukraine to return to the original agreement. NATO does not seek expansion, it provides a level of protection and security from an aggressor, for countries that ask for membership. NATO is responding to a distress call, not seeking members. Note, Finland and Sweden are a direct result of Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Ukraine did not have nuclear weapons.
All launch codes were in Moscow
NATO broke international law and UN charter by bombing Serbia in 1999, invading Afghanistan 2001-2021, invading Iraq in 2003, bombing Lybia in 2011, bombing Syria etc etc...
"Ukraine or any other independent and sovereign state, has the right to join the NATO." - this is the main and basic argument that Western mainstream politicians use almost every day, when talking about causes of this war.
However, there are several problems with that argument.
Membership in NATO is not the same as membership in the International Postal Association, or Interpol, or UNESCO or similar organizations.
NATO is a military and political alliance. And NATO is not some naive, innocent and benign organization.
Until 1991, NATO was exclusively a defensive organization. But after the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, NATO's behavior in international relations became much more aggressive and offensive.
NATO directly, in violation of international law and in violation of the Charter of the United Nations, participated in the aggression against Yugoslavia (1999), then for 20 years (2001-2021) it participated in the occupation of Afghanistan, then the main NATO members participated in the illegal aggression against Iraq in 2003 and the illegal bombing of Libya in 2011.
Some of these actions may have been justified, some not, but none had the approval of the United Nations.
This behavior of NATO and its main members did not go unnoticed.
Is there a guarantee for Russia that tomorrow if Ukraine becomes a member of NATO, NATO will not use Ukraine as a springboard for actions against Russia.
Perhaps not a direct invasion, but the deployment of modern and sophisticated long-range missile systems in eastern Ukraine could fundamentally threaten Russia's nuclear doctrine and national security. In this way, NATO can place Russia in the geopolitical checkmate.
There is no guarantee for Russia that something like this will not happen if Ukraine joins NATO.
"All the countries that joined NATO joined voluntarily" - this is fundamentally wrong.
And I will give 4 examples.
1st. Montenegro, a small country in the Balkans, joined NATO in 2017. Before the presidential elections, the then president of Montenegro Filip Vujanovic promised the citizens that they would have the opportunity to express their opinion in the referendum on potential entry into NATO. However, after coming to power, he decided to change his attitude and decided to introduce the country into NATO without a referendum, even though at that moment all polls showed that the majority of citizens were against joining NATO. But regardless, he brought the country into NATO.
2nd. North Macedonia, also a small country in the Balkans, which had a dispute with Greece over the country's official name.
Changing the name was the main condition for the country's entry into NATO.
In order to resolve that dispute, a referendum was held in 2018, where less than 35% of citizens turned out to vote and the referendum failed. The vast majority of citizens were against changing the name of the country and therefore boycotted the referendum. However, violating the will of the people, the then Prime Minister Zoran Zaev decided to change the name of the country and to bring the country into the NATO.
The 3rd and 4th examples are Slovakia and Bulgaria.
Both countries became NATO members without a referendum and at a time when the obvious majority of the citizens of those countries were against membership in the NATO pact.
To conclude.
The idea that the expansion of the NATO pact to the countries of Eastern Europe was completely democratic and legitimate is ridiculous. Washington used the corrupt and kleptocratic political elites in some of those countries to force them to join the NATO pact, regardless of what the majority of the people thought about it.
@@simonsimonovic4478 Thank you for your comprehensive reply. There is too much to unpack here. However, let me say the expansion of NATO into Eastern Europe has been largely democratic and legitimate, involving significant reforms and the consent of both the candidate countries and existing NATO members? However, the process has not been free from strategic influences and criticisms, particularly from Russia, which views the expansion as a threat to its security. Is it legitimate for a country to dictate to another sovereign state what is allowed and what is not? The Cuban missile crisis is in my living memory and adds an interesting dynamic to the conversation. In my view, the world was in the midst of the Cold War and needs to be understood in that context. The world is entirely different now, after the USSR has collapsed. Your argument revolves around NATO, my argument revolves around Ukraine. Ukraine is sovereign, just as Russia is sovereign. The United Nations recognises Ukraine's sovereign borders, including Crimea. That is why the war on Ukraine is called an illegal war. Russia has changed its stance on why it invaded Ukraine from special military operation about Nazi's to saving Russian speaking Ukrainian people, and now it's about a land grab. As a side issue, Sweden and Norway are now NATO members and Russia is silent about that. The war in Ukraine could end today if Russia withdrew its troops back to Russian territory. However that will not happen because Putin considers annexed territory as Russian.
His political incompetence is profound. That’s the lyric way to put it.
I think you are a little niave saying the British aren't polarised. What do you think Brexit was all about? Boris Johnson and Farage stoked polarisation, and the media helped them to do so. I really hope Farage never gets near No10, but after Brexit, I know better than to rely on Emily's notion that the Brits just aren't like that.
NATO doesn't 'expand' Nigel. It doesn't take over countries like Ukraine has been.
They ask to join
Oh really? Do they? Your naïvety and ignorance is embarrassing. You have clearly swallowed every last drop of the MSM's carefully selected agenda and propaganda without even realising you have been brainwashed and lied to. Educate yourself before you embarrass yourself anymore.
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What u said makes no sense of course Nato has expanded
It 'expands' because sovereign countries make the free decision to apply. And not all of those applications are granted. They apply because they don't want to be re-colonised by an imperial Russia.
It's not rocket science FFS
@@flamboyentpromotions3471the point being, as well you know, is that they fid not seek to expand
@@bigmol1633 of course they did
I made it to the end, brilliant programme 😂
I find these discussions really informative but I do wish they wouldn't keep interrupting each other as I would like to hear the original opinions before the other persons point is are made.
"Gambleshambles" 😂
Go Nigel Vote Reform for real change. They all must be worried if they are trying hard to blacken the credibility of Nigel Farage. We are all tired of the snobbish out of touch people who end up in charge . Nigel loves Britain and its people he can make real change for us at the bottom. The Conservatives have been a train wreck our economy is on its knees. We need a complete change vote for REFORM and Nigel for PM.
" A quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing."
Go move to Russia comrade
I think you’ve misunderstood the OP’s point. They are comparing Farage to Neville Chamberlain. The difference is that Chamberlain was sincere.
started by farage who ABSOLUTELY knows nothing.
@@EmiSuperTrans71 You will have to more specific.
Fun show
Ferrets in a sack..... As folks say up North.
Starmer: Accused = Guilty
(PMQs 19/04/23, 3 mins 15 secs)......
Not every conflict is WW2.
Farage portrays himself as being against the Torys, Libs & Labour but I note that his attack on Johnson falls flat with his core supporters. Not a lot of cheering. This is because reform aren't really against the Torys... It's more that they are against modern culture & a left of centre consensus so while they are like Gumbys shouting nonsense etc they probably (despite partygate, his party turning him out, gold wallpaper-scandals & the rest) loved Johnson & will find it hard & confusing to condemn him. Hilarious
WHAT DRUGS DO YOU TAKE ?
I bet Rishi wishes he could go back in time, and called the election in May to coincide with the council elections. And have a 4, maybe 5 week election period. It would all have been so very different.
Weird that back in 2008ish (from memory) both Germany and France were against Ukraine joining NATO. Farage in agreement with Europe, only he obviously can't remember that. It was the insistance of the US that Ukraine was wekcome to join. Much in the same way that the US favours Turkey as well. The US does not care about Turkey as much as it does the stategic position that Turkey lies in. Anyway, Farage is factually incorrect about Europe on this occasion. Strange the press ignore this. All that aside, we've seen what appeasement can lead to, lest we forget.
Great, I'm watching a video about three of the things I would put in Room 101. I was expecting them to mention chelsea fc at the end to get the complete set 😂
I'm sure Bojo and Garage can have a bro love in next year at the DM sponsored anti-Starmer festival.
Has anyone else noticed the humorous position of the play button on the thumbnail to this video? Was it intentional? :D
Crimes against humanity he’s disgusting
William S could have been writing for Keir :-)
‘There is a tide in the affairs of men
which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
omitted, all the voyages of their life
is bound in shallows and in miseries.
On such a sea are we now afloat;
and we must take the current when it serves, or lose our ventures’
The angels have heard our cries and swayed the courses and desires to bring us comfort and the light.
*_''Who is more morally repugnant, Nigel Farage or Boris Johnson?"_*
.
.
*and the winner is...*
*Donald Trump.*
Perfect 😂😂😂
Starmer: Accused = Guilty
(PMQs 19/04/23, 3 mins 15 secs)......
And Putin
TDS aleart
You are with your negative attitude
Nigel saw it coming a decade ago (in 2014 when Russia invaded Ukraine/Crimea), cannot we have a debate between Nigel, Boris and a representative of the daily mail in close proximity with 3 piles of dog waste and plenty shovels.
Christ! I'd pay to watch that!
When did Russia invade Croatia?
Croatia???
I kept trying to think of Crimea, and when Croatia popped in my head I said "Close enough"
@@stevereber3358 i reckon you should edit that comment steve, its a pretty big mistake to make😅
All forgetting the 2014 incident. Mainstream media like this is trash.
Pitty
So NF got it wrong again, it was a close call but I do believe that Liz was a worse PM than the Liar.
They're eating each other. Lovely.
ooh la la
Gammon with pineapple on top
George Robertson former Labour leader of NATO
Farage is a fifth columnist, Johnson is a useful [you know what].
34:12 Vocal Buzzer sound effect in 1977 I was on a local version of university challenge and as the host asked questions (I was on the end) and a production assistant was increasingly frustrated as his stopwatch hit 1 minute and he pressed the buzzer and nothing happened. After several seconds he did a very loud "ENNNNH", (which they replaced for broadcast), but for no reason at all I fall over with laughter.
33:48 John McClane in Die Hard: "Sorry, Hans, wrong guess. Would you like to go for Double Jeopardy where the scores can _really_ change?"
🤣🤣🤣 that is superb. I'd love to have seen Bamber Gascoigne's reaction ( who seemed a more gentle soul than the irascible Paxman )
Emily you are mis representing what Farage said about Johnson. He was not trying to dig himself out of anything arising from the horrendous interview by Nick Robinson, he was responding to what Boris Johnson had written about him in his Sunday column.
Farage is Mini-Trumpy.
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Fluttergate is the best!
What about Faiza?
The Clucking of the hens.
I’m glad to see the media has taken note of my post on a previous podcast.
I'm sure they are on the edge of their seats awaiting your next...
@@mwd331 Why do you think they are always checking their phones. They can’t wait to see my comments 😀
Farage seems to be trying to have a bet each way on everything. I notice he’s become very prolific on TikTok.
Starmer: Accused = Guilty
(PMQs 19/04/23, 3 mins 15 secs)......
How much of Nigel Farage appearing on all of these channels all the time, is it starting to look like it’s a plan for the media to have something to report on when politics goes back to ‘boring’ adults in the room?
Tedious.
Why have you given far more publicity to Farage than Libs, or Greens?
Starmer: Accused = Guilty
(PMQs 19/04/23, 3 mins 15 secs)......
@@NigelBlancmange so, no interest in the topic of Farage..? 🤣🤣🤣
Shocker
@@NigelBlancmange oh, you’re a bot.
How thrilling.
Or Galloway's workers party?
@@hughfawcett4333 who?
Not heard a thing from them (him) since he got in. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Galloway is useless.
Is Lewis ok? Looks like he has been punched ?
Perhaps the three in a bed was a bit too vigorous for him?
Or one of those bestickered scooter riders in the most tory seat in the country took umbrage?
Cold sore.
I think the issue is that these journalists don't understand WW2 History.
You could try educating them?
Perhaps people are exasperated by panels claiming to be speaking and thinking on behalf of the majority, delivering their conclusions with a haughty tone and scoffing chuckles. It speaks to how isolated groups of society have become from one another. Western communities used to rub shoulders socially with all walks of society from childhood, either at school, playing in the streets or public pools, skating rinks, clubd and so one, then at pubs and concerts etc. This breakdown clearly has had consequences that this group here highlight so aptly.
As much as I enjoy the “news” which is basically the superficial propaganda we are subjected to on a daily basis, I would very much appreciate more background on who is supporting the parties and leaders. Would give a much more in depth understanding of what is driving politics.
10/1 Downing St
Vote reform . Zero seats for tories. Farage is right
Reform what? What gives you the idea that this rich rent-a-gob wants to reform anything, except his chances of benefiting himself.
I do hope that John and Emily are keeping well away from Lewis. He clearly has a terriible runny nose and might be infectious.
Great content, great analysis and great conversation.
Starmer: Accused = Guilty
(PMQs 19/04/23, 3 mins 15 secs)......
To be clear. He said Nato and EU expansion was NOT a justification for the war, but it gave Putin excuses/reasons he could use, and he could see the war coming in 2014. I don't see how that's an unreasonable take. And the war needs to end at some point. I would like to have ukraine get all the ammo it needs to beat Russia. But the will to do it is not there, so what to do?
I just wrote the same thing. I was thinking, how did they completely misinterpret what he said ? 🤷
It's a man who has repeatedly expressed admiration for Putin reinforcing Kremlin talking points. He then states that a sovereign country choosing peaceful self-determination is 'poking the bear' suggesting that its Ukraine's fault that they were invaded for having the temerity to make its own westward looking political and trade decisions back in 2013/2014.
It really simple.
Just a wee point, but America has a State bordering Russia.
Does it?
@@USERNAMEfieldempty Alaska across ther Bearing Straits
Sarah can see it from her house
Yeah Russia sold it to them
Mathis did say the East Coast of America to Ukraine at one point. Not sure I agree with her overall thesis on this but at least her geography is correct.
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Farage is a Russian actor who only gets Oscars for spouting dribble!😄
This guy talks absolute no sense about the events since the end of the cold war
"Ukraine or any other independent and sovereign state, has the right to join the NATO." - this is the main and basic argument that Western mainstream politicians use almost every day, when talking about causes of this war.
However, there are several problems with that argument.
Membership in NATO is not the same as membership in the International Postal Association, or Interpol, or UNESCO or similar organizations.
NATO is a military and political alliance. And NATO is not some naive, innocent and benign organization.
Until 1991, NATO was exclusively a defensive organization. But after the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, NATO's behavior in international relations became much more aggressive and offensive.
NATO directly, in violation of international law and in violation of the Charter of the United Nations, participated in the aggression against Yugoslavia (1999), then for 20 years (2001-2021) it participated in the occupation of Afghanistan, then the main NATO members participated in the illegal aggression against Iraq in 2003 and the illegal bombing of Libya in 2011.
Some of these actions may have been justified, some not, but none had the approval of the United Nations.
This behavior of NATO and its main members did not go unnoticed.
Is there a guarantee for Russia that tomorrow if Ukraine becomes a member of NATO, NATO will not use Ukraine as a springboard for actions against Russia.
Perhaps not a direct invasion, but the deployment of modern and sophisticated long-range missile systems in eastern Ukraine could fundamentally threaten Russia's nuclear doctrine and national security. In this way, NATO can place Russia in the geopolitical checkmate.
There is no guarantee for Russia that something like this will not happen if Ukraine joins NATO.
"All the countries that joined NATO joined voluntarily" - this is fundamentally wrong.
And I will give 4 examples.
1st. Montenegro, a small country in the Balkans, joined NATO in 2017. Before the presidential elections, the then president of Montenegro Filip Vujanovic promised the citizens that they would have the opportunity to express their opinion in the referendum on potential entry into NATO. However, after coming to power, he decided to change his attitude and decided to introduce the country into NATO without a referendum, even though at that moment all polls showed that the majority of citizens were against joining NATO. But regardless, he brought the country into NATO.
2nd. North Macedonia, also a small country in the Balkans, which had a dispute with Greece over the country's official name.
Changing the name was the main condition for the country's entry into NATO.
In order to resolve that dispute, a referendum was held in 2018, where less than 35% of citizens turned out to vote and the referendum failed. The vast majority of citizens were against changing the name of the country and therefore boycotted the referendum. However, violating the will of the people, the then Prime Minister Zoran Zaev decided to change the name of the country and to bring the country into the NATO.
The 3rd and 4th examples are Slovakia and Bulgaria.
Both countries became NATO members without a referendum and at a time when the obvious majority of the citizens of those countries were against membership in the NATO pact.
To conclude.
The idea that the expansion of the NATO pact to the countries of Eastern Europe was completely democratic and legitimate is ridiculous. Washington used the corrupt and kleptocratic political elites in some of those countries to force them to join the NATO pact, regardless of what the majority of the people thought about it.