I can’t believe that guy on the right side was yammering on and on about the Black Heart when it was TOTALLY UNRELATED and the APEX AND CLIMAX of the tarot card reveals was happening. BLAH!!!!! 😂😂
I'm pretty sure the show creator tweeted and confirmed teen is the Black Heart. Plus the theme of this Trial is to mess with Lilian, because she hates the stereotypes that witches have. You see when she first saw the costumes she got upset.
Awesome, we weren’t really keeping up with any outside info on the show personally but I’m glad it was made clear ha. And that’s fine, Lillia even was introduced hating on Witch stereotypes. Our question was more why they had themes of decades that fit the style as well. Like the house wife theme for Jen and the rocker theme for Alice made a good stab at each of those characters too, but Agatha’s just seemed to play along with the decades rather than a personal jab unless there’s more to that theme we missed? -Tre
@kingjames6948 aye that’s fair, there’s a lot that I think this show has done well but I tend to ask cuz it’s easy to miss perspective on things when I focus on others so I’m always open to just being set straight. A lot of times though people share their own theories and assumptions as fact and I’m like…okay😅 haha
i think the black heart is billy. lilia put the sigil on him, she wrote down the names for the coven. death's name is rio vidal, why wouldn't she just write rio vidal? why a black heart? she had to write a black heart for billy because she put the sigil on him and therefore couldn't write down his name just like any other witch. i also like this theory just because it makes the scene of agatha eating the piece of paper in ep two even funnier to me. like, the black heart wasn't even referring to her ex girlfriend but she still immediately thought it was lol
Okaaaay, you’re winning me over a lil, so was the whole summoning another green witch for the coven thing also just another misdirect in your eyes? Because it seems like the coven needed specific witches for the road(the green witch being “arguably the most important”) so that would have to mean that Billy will become one by the end of the series right? I do like that if Billy is the black heart/the covens green witch that it recontextualizes that scene even more, because maybe she ate it to protect Teen from Rio(who she wasn’t sure was her son or not at the time) Same as how she kinda tried to warn the coven about Rio with the loudspeaker thing
@erichanser2807 okay cool! So how are they gonna tie that into the coven needing a green witch/what do you think that means for Billy’s powers? Is he gonna be on par with Death herself by the time the show ends? -Tre
This doesn't answer ur questions, cause I don't know, but another little thing about it. When they summoned the green witch and Rio says she was in the neighborhood she literally was, since Mrs. hart had just died. Also the witches road should have never opened if they didn't have an actual green witch there, so that further implies that Billy is the green witch. I know the show runner confirmed, I'm just pointing out some other things.
@levythemenn7906 that’s totally fair! I had heard someone mention this before and I think it’s a cool idea especially because the road initially didn’t open until after Billy would’ve been running toward the basement in that episode(I think it appeared before he actually got there though so maybe that was a misdirect) So my thing with the road opening was that Billy, I think, also said that anyone can be a witch if they practice. So Sharon, theoretically could’ve served their purpose but because she never did magic before the road just didn’t fully know what to co-sign her as(also to that effect, Billy didn’t drink with them in the first trial so he wasn’t tested…) The other thing about it is that I don’t see the really see the point of making death “the original green witch, along with the reveal of who she is then. Cuz that still implies that they did summon her/that the answered the summon herself just to show up. Most of this is just me wanting to know more about her character though. Ha -Tre
Where does anyone say Agatha was bound? They specify that she lost her magic, and then double down by saying that Jen is bound in the show. Creating a distinction between the two. The point of the question is asked is that if regular people can all become witches by practicing, as said in the show, and only witches are protected from Billy’s identity why would it still work on a depowered Agatha when it didn’t work on regular humans? I mean if we wanna say she once practiced magic so it still counts, sure…but that feels pretty flimsy. -Tre
I interpreted that as “real” in the sense that it wasn’t an illusion. Because up until that point Wanda’s power directly involved influencing people’s minds(which is part of what the hex did) That’s why they established in the show why Monica would think they were real, by saying that things were altered by the hex to have a new look/purpose to fit whatever Wanda needed/subconsciously wanted. And why all those things went back to normal after. Not that she could just arbitrarily decide to create things. That was never said😅 -Tre
@@cateredchaosmedia They actually did say she is creating/rewriting reality when Monica tested the clothes that they had in the lab in which she was wearing inside westview. They did not go back to normal. When Wanda closed the hex and everything went back to normal, that was her will. Agatha even says in episode 8 that the Scarlet witch is capable of spontaneous creation. The only reason why her kids and the vision she created with the piece of the mind stone that lives in her would not exist outside the hex was because she tied them down the the twisted world she created with hundreds of spells she casted from her outburst. Agatha tells her that as well. Billy is so powerful, the fact that he was able to leave the hex and go inside a body is proof of that. And the reason he is on the witches road to find Tommy is because like he said,he can sense him but he can’t find him. I think that is because his essence is still around, but unlike Billy he is a speedster. He would not be able to do what Billy did. But the road would be able to give him his brother back. Just like the comics, he is the first to be reincarnated and goes looking for his brother first.
@christina8101 Okay, creating and rewriting are two totally different things. I understand that functionally they get the same result but it’s one thing to say that you change the behavior for something and another to say that you completely made something out of nothing. I don’t think it makes sense to just group them together as the same thing though I’ll give you Agatha’s line to at least say that she has that potential power on top of rewriting I guess, I don’t really remember the context of what she said so if it is something like Monica’s I’d disagree because of something the show showed. Agatha still is a villain and her perspective of “creation” may not be on the up and up in the same way of Monica’s seeing everything as real wasn’t fully accurate. My understanding was that they didn’t go back to normal within the lab because the hex was still live at the time. Yes Wanda willed everything to go back to normal but if it wasn’t tied to the hex specifically being what’s used…why couldn’t she have just brought the hex down around her house and manifested her family inside without controlling all of westview😅 To me it seems that her power of creation was similar to the runes Agatha used to initially out play Wanda in the nexus, and that Wanda used to ultimate beat Agatha. They create a sphere of influence that affects things inside. Otherwise she wouldn’t need to do the rest. It seemed more that when the source of the power was gone, aka the hex itself, everything went back to how it was before. As for Tommy, I think it’s fine that Billy wants to find him first. As he pointed toward in this episode that he doesn’t have that much of an attachment for anyone else and if that’s his character then cool. But just because the comics did something doesn’t mean it’s gonna match up for the MCU so im trying not to take external knowledge into account to explain what’s happening in the show, unless it’s presented that things are working the same way.
@@cateredchaosmedia actually it has been nothing like the comics. The comics is even more beyond insane lol. I’m just going based on everything that was said in Wandavision, not making up anything that was said. I have not even mentioned her in Doctor Strange because that would be even more convoluted. But the scarlet witch power is beyond anyone else’s including Dr. Strange. And Billy also had a statue in Mt wondergore. Again just going based on everything that has been said mainly in Wandavision because this is going to be a three part series with vision quest being the last of it. So taking it all in from that.
My guess is Rio being the 🖤 and the green witch is a misdirection. I think it will turn out that Billy is the real green witch since the 🖤 was used about him as well. At this point Rio/Death is too obvious
She's still a green witch. Death was the original/first green witch. A green witch deals in Earth/nature magic. Death is a green witch because she buries bodies in the Earth & is a creature of nature. Billy was the 🖤 because no one would write his name. Also his bf calls him jis 🖤
This was the best episode!!! This week they're going to release the last two, my god
THE ABSOLUTE BESSSTTTT HANDS DOWNNNN 👑😭✨️
I can’t believe that guy on the right side was yammering on and on about the Black Heart when it was TOTALLY UNRELATED and the APEX AND CLIMAX of the tarot card reveals was happening. BLAH!!!!! 😂😂
I can believe it, cuz I literally said I would 😂🫡
-Tre, guy on the right side who talks when he wants to about things that on his mind 🤣
Episode 7 of Agatha is on the list of the highest rated Marvel series 👑💜
I'm pretty sure the show creator tweeted and confirmed teen is the Black Heart. Plus the theme of this Trial is to mess with Lilian, because she hates the stereotypes that witches have. You see when she first saw the costumes she got upset.
Awesome, we weren’t really keeping up with any outside info on the show personally but I’m glad it was made clear ha.
And that’s fine, Lillia even was introduced hating on Witch stereotypes. Our question was more why they had themes of decades that fit the style as well.
Like the house wife theme for Jen and the rocker theme for Alice made a good stab at each of those characters too, but Agatha’s just seemed to play along with the decades rather than a personal jab unless there’s more to that theme we missed?
-Tre
@@cateredchaosmedia I dont know the full details I'm just telling what I've heard
@kingjames6948 aye that’s fair, there’s a lot that I think this show has done well but I tend to ask cuz it’s easy to miss perspective on things when I focus on others so I’m always open to just being set straight. A lot of times though people share their own theories and assumptions as fact and I’m like…okay😅 haha
i think the black heart is billy. lilia put the sigil on him, she wrote down the names for the coven. death's name is rio vidal, why wouldn't she just write rio vidal? why a black heart? she had to write a black heart for billy because she put the sigil on him and therefore couldn't write down his name just like any other witch.
i also like this theory just because it makes the scene of agatha eating the piece of paper in ep two even funnier to me. like, the black heart wasn't even referring to her ex girlfriend but she still immediately thought it was lol
Okaaaay, you’re winning me over a lil, so was the whole summoning another green witch for the coven thing also just another misdirect in your eyes? Because it seems like the coven needed specific witches for the road(the green witch being “arguably the most important”) so that would have to mean that Billy will become one by the end of the series right?
I do like that if Billy is the black heart/the covens green witch that it recontextualizes that scene even more, because maybe she ate it to protect Teen from Rio(who she wasn’t sure was her son or not at the time)
Same as how she kinda tried to warn the coven about Rio with the loudspeaker thing
@@cateredchaosmediathe show creator said the black heart was Billy, not Rio
@erichanser2807 okay cool! So how are they gonna tie that into the coven needing a green witch/what do you think that means for Billy’s powers?
Is he gonna be on par with Death herself by the time the show ends?
-Tre
This doesn't answer ur questions, cause I don't know, but another little thing about it. When they summoned the green witch and Rio says she was in the neighborhood she literally was, since Mrs. hart had just died. Also the witches road should have never opened if they didn't have an actual green witch there, so that further implies that Billy is the green witch. I know the show runner confirmed, I'm just pointing out some other things.
@levythemenn7906 that’s totally fair! I had heard someone mention this before and I think it’s a cool idea especially because the road initially didn’t open until after Billy would’ve been running toward the basement in that episode(I think it appeared before he actually got there though so maybe that was a misdirect)
So my thing with the road opening was that Billy, I think, also said that anyone can be a witch if they practice. So Sharon, theoretically could’ve served their purpose but because she never did magic before the road just didn’t fully know what to co-sign her as(also to that effect, Billy didn’t drink with them in the first trial so he wasn’t tested…)
The other thing about it is that I don’t see the really see the point of making death “the original green witch, along with the reveal of who she is then. Cuz that still implies that they did summon her/that the answered the summon herself just to show up.
Most of this is just me wanting to know more about her character though. Ha
-Tre
Patti Lupone was impeccable as Lilia Calderu😭🖤
YES, YES SHE WASSS!!! Had me hooked the whole time!!! So excited to see what's in store these next episodes! Can only go up from here!! 🤞🏾
-Chia✨️
I came into this show thinking it was gonna be a fun silly little witchy show but ofc this happens..my tear glands cannot catch a break
We lost a real one 😭 we support you though all the tear jerking moments
Agatha's power was bound, she did not lose her power as a Witch. She is a witch.
Where does anyone say Agatha was bound? They specify that she lost her magic, and then double down by saying that Jen is bound in the show. Creating a distinction between the two.
The point of the question is asked is that if regular people can all become witches by practicing, as said in the show, and only witches are protected from Billy’s identity why would it still work on a depowered Agatha when it didn’t work on regular humans? I mean if we wanna say she once practiced magic so it still counts, sure…but that feels pretty flimsy.
-Tre
In wandavision, Monica does say that everything that Wanda created in the hex and her kids were real. So it was said.
I interpreted that as “real” in the sense that it wasn’t an illusion. Because up until that point Wanda’s power directly involved influencing people’s minds(which is part of what the hex did)
That’s why they established in the show why Monica would think they were real, by saying that things were altered by the hex to have a new look/purpose to fit whatever Wanda needed/subconsciously wanted. And why all those things went back to normal after.
Not that she could just arbitrarily decide to create things. That was never said😅
-Tre
@@cateredchaosmedia They actually did say she is creating/rewriting reality when Monica tested the clothes that they had in the lab in which she was wearing inside westview. They did not go back to normal. When Wanda closed the hex and everything went back to normal, that was her will. Agatha even says in episode 8 that the Scarlet witch is capable of spontaneous creation. The only reason why her kids and the vision she created with the piece of the mind stone that lives in her would not exist outside the hex was because she tied them down the the twisted world she created with hundreds of spells she casted from her outburst. Agatha tells her that as well.
Billy is so powerful, the fact that he was able to leave the hex and go inside a body is proof of that. And the reason he is on the witches road to find Tommy is because like he said,he can sense him but he can’t find him. I think that is because his essence is still around, but unlike Billy he is a speedster. He would not be able to do what Billy did. But the road would be able to give him his brother back. Just like the comics, he is the first to be reincarnated and goes looking for his brother first.
@@cateredchaosmedia it is my first time to your channel. Love the reaction btw and appreciate the reply 🙂
@christina8101
Okay, creating and rewriting are two totally different things. I understand that functionally they get the same result but it’s one thing to say that you change the behavior for something and another to say that you completely made something out of nothing. I don’t think it makes sense to just group them together as the same thing though I’ll give you Agatha’s line to at least say that she has that potential power on top of rewriting I guess, I don’t really remember the context of what she said so if it is something like Monica’s I’d disagree because of something the show showed. Agatha still is a villain and her perspective of “creation” may not be on the up and up in the same way of Monica’s seeing everything as real wasn’t fully accurate.
My understanding was that they didn’t go back to normal within the lab because the hex was still live at the time. Yes Wanda willed everything to go back to normal but if it wasn’t tied to the hex specifically being what’s used…why couldn’t she have just brought the hex down around her house and manifested her family inside without controlling all of westview😅
To me it seems that her power of creation was similar to the runes Agatha used to initially out play Wanda in the nexus, and that Wanda used to ultimate beat Agatha. They create a sphere of influence that affects things inside. Otherwise she wouldn’t need to do the rest. It seemed more that when the source of the power was gone, aka the hex itself, everything went back to how it was before.
As for Tommy, I think it’s fine that Billy wants to find him first. As he pointed toward in this episode that he doesn’t have that much of an attachment for anyone else and if that’s his character then cool. But just because the comics did something doesn’t mean it’s gonna match up for the MCU so im trying not to take external knowledge into account to explain what’s happening in the show, unless it’s presented that things are working the same way.
@@cateredchaosmedia actually it has been nothing like the comics. The comics is even more beyond insane lol. I’m just going based on everything that was said in Wandavision, not making up anything that was said. I have not even mentioned her in Doctor Strange because that would be even more convoluted. But the scarlet witch power is beyond anyone else’s including Dr. Strange. And Billy also had a statue in Mt wondergore. Again just going based on everything that has been said mainly in Wandavision because this is going to be a three part series with vision quest being the last of it. So taking it all in from that.
My guess is Rio being the 🖤 and the green witch is a misdirection. I think it will turn out that Billy is the real green witch since the 🖤 was used about him as well. At this point Rio/Death is too obvious
She's still a green witch. Death was the original/first green witch. A green witch deals in Earth/nature magic. Death is a green witch because she buries bodies in the Earth & is a creature of nature. Billy was the 🖤 because no one would write his name. Also his bf calls him jis 🖤
@@blacklight4845 We’ll find out in 2 days
Closure lol
😂 Thank you 🤣 I was suffering
-Tre
@@cateredchaosmedia hahaha 😅
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Thank you! 🥹
-Tre