TW200 | Shinko 241 | First Impressions
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- These are my initial thoughts on the Shinko 241.
I took the TW200 out for a quick 50 miles across the Santa Ana Mountains.
I am blown away by the immediate difference this tire makes. My little dual-sport has never felt so stable!
Cheers!
-Nick
I'm always amazed at how different tires can ride and handle so differently. The only problem is it takes a while to try enough tires to zero in on the one that works best for you.
I think I found a keeper with this tire 😃 There is really no other option but to go with a stock replacement tire for the rear, so that really narrows things down…although some people do fit an ATV tire as mentioned in the vid. I might look into it but I’m not a fan of how close the clearance between the swing arm and tire gets.🤷🏻♂️ We’ll see!
Dude the quality of your videos and you riding skills get better and better with every video you make man.
Keep making videos, I love them all! I have a TW and I always love watching fellow TDubbers!
Thanks so much!! Stoked you’re enjoying the content! Always great to hear from fellow Tdubbers!
Nice production quality on the video. I really enjoyed it. Thank you very much.
Edward Cabello Much appreciated! Thanks for watching!
Great vid . Hopefully when this COVID thing goes away after November I will be able to ship my TDub to Utah in May if God willing 🙏🏻🇺🇸
Much appreciated! Very curious to see how everything plays out after November🤔 Don’t they know that riding TDubs are far more important than the “virus?”😂
I'm so sick of winter, I had to come back and watch this again. Especially since I just got that tire on the front too.
Ridge Top So you got the tire on, but can’t test her out?!
@@TillDeathDualUsSport Not until it dries out a little bit more. The roads behind my place have a lot of clay and are pretty steep into the desert mountains. If I drive an hour, there is crazy good sand washes I can ride up. But supposed to snow again above 6,000 feet. I'm at 4,500. :(.
@@ridgetop8161 I hate that slippery clay stuff. I’m thinking about heading out on Christmas Eve for a few days, but we might get some decent rain as well. Keep me posted with your thoughts on the 241!
Looked like a Beautiful day for a ride. Glad the tires worked out for ya. Cant wait for Suspension review
Loving the views and the tire! Bike goes in for installation this Tuesday!
Killing my self researching tire, and now you got me thinking horns! Great here come three more hours on RUclips
Local boy here. Love the bike and the metal stickers 🤘. Buying my first TW next month - I'll look for ya on the trails
downhillsportsusa Always good to hear from another metalhead 🤘🏼 Nice! Are you buying new or used?
@@TillDeathDualUsSport likely an '18-20. Love the current look. Ditching the death wing straight away.
Wow what a difference mounted this tire yesterday took it out, could not believe how responsive this tire is, the gripper, I call it, Nice!!!! No wash outs, get rid of those death wings and enjoy your journey! Love it👍
Eureka! It truly is a night and day difference! Enjoy!
244 was awesome on the back of my ct90 but a terrible front, the 241 wore very quickly on the rear but was fantastic as a front tire so ill get one for my tw200 front.
Sweet place to ride. I want a tw200 as my first put-put bike. Looks so fun
It’s an absolute blast, and great learning experience!
Don’t hesitate. Grab one if you have the means to do so.
Thanks for watching!
Cheers!🍻
Welcome to the club! Some of us have been singing the praises of the 241 for over five years. Doing the front suspension with proper springs and emulators is THE best mod you can do for the bike IMHO. I recommend 5wt. fork fluid and just dropping in the emulators unadjusted. 130mm from the top with springs out and forks fully collapsed. Don't forget to pump out the air bubbles. A 241, suspension work, wider foot pegs and a Seat Concepts make it a far different and better steed than stock. Good luck, and enjoy!
I’m glad I made the switch! Todd Davis (the suspension master) over at TCS Powersports is starting my suspension upgrade on Tuesday! I’m soooo stoked! I ordered the kit from ProCycle along with a new rear spring (the white one). I can’t wait to give these emulators a day in the desert! The current suspension is abysmal, haha. I have wide pegs, all I need is some Seat Concepts action! Thanks for watching!
out of curiosity, have you done a pipe on your Tdub? I'd love to know what kind of difference it made to the bike
@@RepWarrior Still the stock exhaust.
Truly a treat to see that kind of country. Thanks for sharing.... Ric
Ric Carlson Much appreciated, Ric! I take it you’re not from around these parts?
@@TillDeathDualUsSport no I live in council bluffs Iowa just across the river from Omaha, ne. What you filmed was exceptional. ( both filming and country.) If anyone in you're group knows of a good tw in a couple hundred miles on my I would appreciate it ..
Sorry about spell check. Ric
Thanks to you , I listen to federale and put a 241 on front and a d 605 rear on my dr 200 today. Cheers!
Great combo!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the heads up. I just bought my 2022 TW200 and noticed the front end is a little squirrelly. I'll change to the Shinko 241 tire. I can wear out the 130/80-18 Bridgestone on the rear of my XR400R.
The 241 has been an outstanding tire. Mine is just about ready for a replacement. Thanks for watching!
Always love the videos! U do such a great job with them keep them coming!
Much appreciated! New suspension is goin in on Tuesday!
@@TillDeathDualUsSport come break the old suspension with me then Monday ;-)
Your editing skills are genuine.
Thank you! I'm learning as I go and hoping for the best 😁
Had no idea the Santa Ana mountains were so cool to ride! Maiden...always a great choice!
Up the Irons 🤘🏼
Jeez that looks a lot like my terrain near Kamloops BC Canada
My first offroad adventure in my new truck was in these mountains. I was half way thru when my battery mount broke and it grounded to the frame then caught on fire. A pair of vice grips with an old rag tied around the terminal to hold the melted metal on, got me thru the rest of the way lol. Not sure if AAA comes up there but that wouldn't be the way id wanna find out lmao
Damn! That’ll leave a bad taste in your mouth!😆
Shinko 241 did not carry me from Canada
on I-5 until 2 hours past San Francisco.
Nor off-road to the Modoc National Forest.
I could say what my TW200 knobby was
but that's like throwing pearls to .. Hey,.
I put +30K odometer miles on my TW200.
I gifted it to a tyro.
The 241 is a great TW200 front tire alternative to the stock front tire. It's too bad there is no suitable similar rear tire, with a deeper slightly wider spaced knob.
Agreed! Someone needs to make more options for the rear!
Low volume Minecraft style music is relaxing :D
Beautiful places! Thanks for the video!
Bak RD Thanks for watching!
great video. From this and other reviews I think the 241 is my next tire.
You won't be disappointed.👍🏼
I Always enjoy your videos 👍👍👍
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
I had all the same tires and I completely agree...and I'm on the opposite coast in very different terrain. Some overlap but also very different. It's also good on wet roots, loam, and even mud and snow...awesome tire. You would love an ATV tire. Mine is much better then stock.
Wow! An absolute Swiss Army Knife of a tire! Which ATV tire are you using? Any problems mounting it? I've read the horror stories about them.
@@TillDeathDualUsSport Mine is a bighorn style, closer to stock size, efxmoto350 that I believe only fits with a modified hub to accept a trailer rim. One of the guys on the forum does the mod and you just need to widen the rim center hole, and bolt it on. I lucked into one from a parted out custom TW locally.They'e not easy to get on a stock rim but if you're smart and patient which you appear to be you'll do fine. Study up on it on the forum if you're interested.
@@trailwomanrc Awesome! Thanks for the info 😃
I also ride the T-Dub with a Shinko 241. Thanks for your impression on the Shinko 244, because I was wondering about that tire. We have lumpy pitted forest trails and gravel forest roads here in MN, and the 241 does a good job gripping. I guess I'll stick with that tire. I need to upgrade the suspension because I weight 260 lbs. A deep rut bottoms out the front end if I hit it too hard. Very interested in what you choose for a suspension upgrade.
I went with straight rate springs, Race Tech Emulators, and a stiffer rear spring. It makes a huge difference. I bought everything from ProCycle.
procycle.us/model/yamaha/tw200/suspension
@@TillDeathDualUsSport THE MOST expensive option at ProCycle for forks. A bit more than I wanted to spend. Hope your forks make that much of a difference for that extra $200 worth. I thought just getting the 0.70kg/mm springs was pricey enough.
Awesome, I'm thinking of swapping to this on the front and the van van/dirt track rear tire
Interesting combo!
@@TillDeathDualUsSport figured it would probably be the best combo for loose gravel/dirt roads which is the majority of my riding
@@fzj8022 The 241 will absolutely help with those types of conditions. Especially at 10-12 psi!
I’m still on the deathwing, probably headed for a 241, I need to know how they stack up to each other on wet pavement though. I know, not ideal, BUT it’s a good place to hedge my bets when the dessert is so far away! Also, is that a plateless carrier with riding accessories? If so, good on ya!
I'm not sure about wet pavement, but I can't imagine it being any worse than the deathwing...the rubber/knobbies are so much softer and grippy. People claim that it even works great in the snow. That is indeed a plateless carrier! Works great for all of my gadgets 😀 Thanks for watching!
GET RID of the DEATHWING! You'll avoid accidents washing out the front end.
Damn I really want a TW now. I have a crf450 o was thinking of converting to a dual sport but I think this would be better for me
The TW is a different animal compared to the 450. Just depends what you’re used to, and willing to sacrifice. Many gains as well switching to a Tdub. Let me know if you have any questions!
Till Death Dual Us Sport well I’m not used to anything really I’ve only been riding for like a month. I just love the way the TW looks and how simple it is. I wish it was like a 300 or 350 but it’s still awesome. There’s a 2016 near me with 2000 miles and every single upgrade possible I think for $3000 I may try and talk him down to $2500
Till Death Dual Us Sport “
•Forks have new tubes/bushes/seals
RT emulators .70 springs
•Penske custom double adjuster shock
• Engine 1 over Wiseco/Webcam/beehive springs Ti retainers/ kibble white valves 1+ intake / Flowed ported head/ Stainless header / FMF pipe.
•YZ250 front brake MC
•CRF250r headlight
•DID VX chain
•currently stock carb with jetted with wide band on dyno & street
•frame is detabbed built as a street tracker “
Alamo City Fishing That sounds like a no brainer, especially if you can get it for $2500! I’ve never even heard of some of those mods. Sounds like it’s ready for battle and then some! I sometimes wish it was a 250 or 300, only for a pinch more top-end. Besides that it will pretty much tractor up anything! Keep me posted if you end up scoring it!
How does the 241 handle in say...2-4 inches of gravel? Our forest service roads have fairly deep and loose gravel and the stock death tire on the TW is horrible!
I have learned over the years that there is no cheat code for deep sand/gravel.
It always boils down to skill/seat time, not tire choice.
That being said, the 241 will plow through just about anything! Traction is exceptional at 10 psi.
Si amigo, la vista es increible!
Saludos desde Alemania 👍🏻
love me some Tdubs nice vid man, keep it up!
Citizen Dual Sport Much appreciated! Thanks for watching!
Instant sub for the Connor McGregor reference. “For your mother”
Haha!! Nice! Thanks!
Beautiful views thank you for your video cool bike
Cecil Sarver Thanks for watching!
Deathwing is right. I highsided off the damn thing at 40mph one day back in the 90's. Sold the tdub after that one. Btw, beautiful views in this vid.
Arnold's Design Yikes! Well, there’s no shortage of Tdubs and Shinko 241s if you ever decide to join the club again!😁
@@TillDeathDualUsSport I just might. I have an old 200x I have get running right first though.
Great bike !
How’s it do on pavement? Nice production values BTW.
Thank you! It has been great on pavement. Many miles and minimal wear.
Excellent review, thx. Wondering what your thoughts are on the Shinko 241 street performance? I'll be using the bike on road about a third of the time. Thanks!
J. Duke Glad you enjoyed! I did 125mi then another 140mi ride this last Tuesday. Tire works great on the street as far as I can tell.
WOW what an opening! Love it!
I've got the 241 but will probably go back to the stock deathwing. I kinda like it sliding a bit. But the real reason is because of sand. I love how it feels on everything but deep sand. I got a lotta deep sand where I'm at. It was originally for my wifes Tdub but she aint ridden for over a year due to a fall.
LOL finders-keepers on the trail. I find and scavenged all the time.
Side note: if that horn came with a booster cable you can hook any car horn to it from a junk yard.
Glad you enjoyed!
I'm doing a Tdub group ride this Sunday so I'll be able to test it in some dune-like sand. I'm almost 100% certain that it will outperform the 244 😀 Haha, yeah! Score on the flashlight! Thanks for the horn tip. Good to know!
@@TillDeathDualUsSport
Man there aint nuttin like a Tdub group ride. It's a real special slow-n-low kind of brotherhood thing! I've said this before; maybe sometime I could ride with you, I got family in Lancaster.
@@skannal Ain't it the truth! Hit me up whenever you're in town!
Play with your tire pressure couple pounds this way or that way makes a big difference
john jacobjinglhymerschmit Absolutely. 10-12 psi has been perfect.
How does that tire do on the road?
MOBStreet 83 No complaints. I’ve ran it at 10psi on road and up to 22psi.
hey man thanks for the review
did you experience some weaknesses in cornering ?
just bought an electric dirt bike. idk shit about this domain i came from mtb. i wonder if a front knobby tire would be better for cornering ?
i drive on the same gravel/rocks trails like you. knobs are generally for mud an sand right ?
Cornering is much improved vs the stock tire or the 244. Tire choice is such a personalized thing that its hard to say if you would like a knobby vs a trial style. If you’re not riding on the street then I would consider a 100% off road tire. It will be much more grippy/gummy vs a 50/50 dual sport tire.
from tires to horns..... How does this tire do on the road?
Just fine👌🏼
Are those roads open again? Beeks place, Sierra Peak looking down on Prado.
Correct. They are open. They might shut down again though if it rains this weekend.
@@TillDeathDualUsSport THANKS
@@mikewest8450 No sweat!
Can you share helmet / camera / gear you chose to wear and why? Great quality and thanks for content!!
Matt Brodacki I’ll have to put it on the list and make a video soon! Thanks for watching!
Where was there?
This is Southern California.
What size is the shinko 241 front tire?
4.0 18
Can someone make a video about swapping out the front tire for street use? With a test run.
Is there one already out there? TIA!
grumpysquid This tire works great for the amount of street riding I do. Any 50/50 DOT tire would probably work just fine.
sweet edit!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great tire. I sometimes run 6 psi even when on rocky ground. Just don't slam the rocks.
RV Dirt Dog I’ve been down to 8psi. Super grippy! I wish they made one for the rear!
In higher elevation did you do anything extra or swap out on the carb? Mine was struggling in the New Mexico mountains?
Whisky Bound I swapped out my carb a while while ago. It had a horrible leak after I looped the bike. I installed this.
Radracing TW200 Carburetor Carb Replacement kit Compatible 2001-2017 Trailway Replace TK250 TW 200 www.amazon.com/dp/B07CQSWY7F/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_sMtrFbS833GX6
I’m not 100% sure if the Amazon carb has different jetting vs the stocker. I’ve had it over 7,000ft and it still seems to run fairly decent. There is a noticeable lack of responsiveness, but nothing too crippling. What kind of elevation are you looking at in the New Mexico Mts?
Red River New Mexico was about 10k plus if I remember.
Yeah, that’s up there. No avoiding it at that elevation. My guess would be that any carbureted bike, regardless of cc’s, is going to be on the struggle bus that high up.
The 130/80/18 Shinko 700 is also I good tire.
Tdub Billy Looks like it has a nice pattern 👍🏼👍🏼
Not in Illinois!
Nice Video! What tach and speedo are you running there? What was your elevation on these mountain tops? I am running at 6k above Sea Level and haven't had to adjust anything in the carb yet. Have you had to adjust it at all?!
MOBStreet 83 I’m rockin the Trail Tech Vapor speedo. I looped the bike in this vid ruclips.net/video/_hfccaIpWC4/видео.html which thrashed my stock speedo. The highest peak in this particular mountain range is 5,600. Haven’t had to adjust the carb either! These Tdubs, right?! Gotta love em🍻
@@TillDeathDualUsSport And love them we shall!
Should I get rid of the stock tire for this? Just got my tw 2 weeks ago. Jw if I should get a new tire before spring.
Danny P Congrats on the Tdub and welcome to the club! If you ride a lot of arid desert terrain like I do, then I would absolutely recommend that you ditch the stock tire.
How much do the respective tires weigh? What air pressures are you running?
I’m not sure about the weight. The 241 is technically meant as a rear tire, so it certainly has some extra heft to it.
I run 10-13 psi both front, and rear.
That horn is great. How was the installation? Do you have a link for it?
Is this area open to trucks too? Some good looking spots for camping but probably not allowed.
The horn was plug and play. Literally takes under 5 min to install 👍🏻 Here is the link. FIAMM 72112 Freeway Blaster Low Note Horn www.amazon.com/dp/B000DINKPQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_eaj6CbRSC3G0T
Yes, trucks are allowed.
Correct. This is a no camping location. 😭
Dirty Pool Awesome! It’s a great horn. Much more impressive in person👍🏼 Thanks for watching!
hmm so as some one in the PNW who rides a lot of gravel roads and muddy rocky, rooty trails.. maybe the 244? im still on the stock tire so anything would probably be better lol
I didn’t care for the 244. It is a big heavy tire, but might be great for mud, which is something I don’t come across that often out this way.
@@TillDeathDualUsSport good to know, i think i might stick with the stock tire for now. I'll track down some PNW riders on the forums and see what they think.
@@TillDeathDualUsSport bought the 241 btw, just need to slap it on.
@@collinmc90 I'm making the same choice now. Tell me your thoughts on the 241. I'm in Bellingham BTW
Where is the entrance to that spot??
Bedford Motorway 😀
Will this tire work on the 2016 tw 130/80-18 mc 66p the ones I find are 66S they claim they won’t fit this year like 2014 and older bikes only ????
Should fit from 1987 to current TWs.
procycle.us/product/1777
Thanks, I’m going to order one, and get rid of the death wing that’s on it now, I think I,ll just go with the 4.00-18 64p
@@lylegwynn6603 Huge difference compared to the Death Wing👍🏼👍🏼
Nice spot!
We’re are you riding at in the video?
Andy G Santa Ana Mountains.
Cool video 😎
Joseph Bebar Thanks for watching!
Good info in your vid. I ride many of the same places as Tdubs Kid but also out in the desert areas of Colorado. The desert trails here are mix of just about everything but with a lot of rock steps, ledges and baby heads. In your opinion would this tire do well in those situations? Myself and my girlfriend ride 2019 TW's. Thanks in advance.
ThePhotofred I don’t think you can go wrong with this tire. It should perform very well in all types of terrain. The steps and ledges will boil down to rider ability. The 241 will definitely add some extra traction though! Let me know if you end up mounting one!
@@TillDeathDualUsSport Thanks, I will.
@@TillDeathDualUsSport I made the jump and installed the Shinko SR241 4.00x18 on both mine and my lady friends TW's. I also dropped the rear tire pressure to 10psi. After about 30 miles in every type of terrain except mud I can say that the Tw's are totally different bikes to ride now. Now they float over things like they should. I have many years experience riding off road, but my lady friend just started this last June at the age of 54. She digs her bike with the Shinko front, and said it added to her confidence in the ledges and steps. Thanks for your input on the tire.
ThePhotofred Great news! It really does bump up the confidence level 👍🏼👍🏼 I think I’m going to email Shinko and try to coax them into making a similar tire for the rear!
@@TillDeathDualUsSport That would be sweet! It would certainly sell. It also beats the alternative of lacing a more conventional rim to the TW hub.
Nice
Sorry if you mentioned this... what size did ya go for?
Also, do you think it will wear out too quickly on asphalt being so soft?
Ps... I ended up ordering one. I saw you went with a 4.00 x 18... I did the same. Will be here next Friday
ChromeArty It’s the 4x18. I’m not sure how it will hold up in the long run. I can say that I’ve already put about 600miles on it and see basically zero wear. Of course YMMV. 😀 For $55 you can’t go wrong.
ChromeArty Nice! Let me know what you think once installed!
@@TillDeathDualUsSport I will do man. Pretty stoked! ...
I live in Canada... so it was $95... at least I didn't have to pay shipping!
Did you use a standard tube with this tire?
I had it installed at Cycle Gear so I didn't even ask what he threw in there.
How does it handle on wet pavement?
It doesn’t rain much out here, but I did run into a few sleet/rain cells not too long ago. Tire handled it fine. 👍🏼
I really appreciate the response. These take 50% of the range off electric bikes, because they're a lot heavier than the tissue paper thin tires that come on electric bicycles, so I'm thinking about if I want to make that sacrifice, if they give some supreme grip in bad weather. Something along the lines of studs in each of these nubs during the winter, or just to ride on fields and roads in the rain. It's a tough one.
@@GreenLegendRan No sweat! I’d rather have the range.
How is the 241 in sand?
MiKe Merkweki Decent I guess. I’ve done a good amount of sand riding and I’m convinced that a tire, unless it’s a paddle, has little to do with sand performance. I believe it really boils down to rider skill.
Can you recommend tires for street and dirt?
Andy G The combo of the 241 and stock rear tire have been more than adequate. There’s not many options for the TW. It’s probably safe to say that any 50/50 DOT rated tire would do the job.
Till Death Dual Us Sport cool thanks, just got a TDUB and looking for places to ride with my kid that I won’t get in trouble since I’m still working on getting my license. I’m in Lake Elsinore any recommendation?
I don’t think a license is required to ride at a designated OHV park, but I’m not 100% positive. If that’s the case and no license is needed, then your best bet would be Wildomar OHV.
Stock horn my 05 TW is loud AF
I put a sound blaster on mine. Get out of the way motherfuckers!!
How many miles can you get before you have to switch to reserve?
I'm 230 lbs I get around 80 or 90
However it's rated 70mpg with a gallon 1/2 tank
Depends how hard I'm running it, but on average 80miles.
what trail is this!
This is Main Divide in the Santa Ana Mountains 👍🏼
Etiwanda ?
Corona.
@@TillDeathDualUsSport yes i used to ride to over look Anaheim there on my xr650
Had a vitamin/training studio thete too. Vitamins 4 Less
i like that speedometer too!
try the kenda 270
mylifeisDope Looks similar to the 244 which I was not a fan of. If I could put it on the rear, then we’d be in business!
TW200= AK 47 !!!
👍👍🇨🇦
your channel name sounds like a bobs burgers episode
What you know about Iron Maiden son?
Haha, right back at you!
what's Iron Maiden? is that like a maid that only irons your clothes? seems kinda silly to me most maids do a lot more than just iron
@@RepWarrior HAHA. It’s a Heavy Metal band. The Iron Maiden was a medieval torture device.
Till Death Dual Us Sport I only seen them live 16 times since 83. 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Till Death Dual Us Sport 2 minutes to warm up the T-dub 🎶🎶
fkng awsm)
Василий Теркин 🤘🏼
There is enough ppl riding on that mountain. It’s like the 405 freeway on the weekend. Been riding that mountain 40yrs. Why announce the location. Not smart.
If they’re soft and squishy, they probably won’t wear very well.
Dandy Don Hardly any wear so far. Shoot, there’s still nubbins on certain parts! Great tire👍🏼👍🏼